Only bad thing about this codex is the stack of boyz sprews I'm looking at.

Soo many boyz..

I played my first 2 games with the new codex today a won both times. It worked great. Just kept charging into combat and knocking heads. Beet both necrons and Chaos Space Marines. Nob Bikers with KKF, PK, and a pain Boy Kicked ass. They tore up th place against the Necs, The Noise Marines... Not so much. Bt 10'Ard Boys charged the Hell out of those and I ended you cleaning the bored.

Allinall not as bad as I though. Only lost 2 boyz to the chart. I am now a fan. New Mek Guns are the Boss!

 Daveh wrote:
I played my first 2 games with the new codex today a won both times. It worked great. Just kept charging into combat and knocking heads. Beet both necrons and Chaos Space Marines. Nob Bikers with KKF, PK, and a pain Boy Kicked ass. They tore up th place against the Necs, The Noise Marines... Not so much. Bt 10'Ard Boys charged the Hell out of those and I ended you cleaning the bored.

Allinall not as bad as I though. Only lost 2 boyz to the chart. I am now a fan. New Mek Guns are the Boss!

Awesome! Its nice to hear someone enjoying it instead of all the doom and gloom.

15 war buggies for 375 points! A wall of ramshackle vehicles has never looked so frightening.

 Daveh wrote:
I played my first 2 games with the new codex today a won both times. It worked great. Just kept charging into combat and knocking heads. Beet both necrons and Chaos Space Marines. Nob Bikers with KKF, PK, and a pain Boy Kicked ass. They tore up th place against the Necs, The Noise Marines... Not so much. Bt 10'Ard Boys charged the Hell out of those and I ended you cleaning the bored.

Allinall not as bad as I though. Only lost 2 boyz to the chart. I am now a fan. New Mek Guns are the Boss!

Good to hear. It doesn't have to be full battle reports, but could you tell us what did you brought, what you fought against, at what point levels, and if anything worked differently? Such as Boarding Planks, challenges, whatever. Any information is appreciated. Thanks!

About more than one relic. What does the Ghaz supplement say. Is it the same wording?
As I understand it HQs in "Crimson Slaughter" can have more than one.

Edit: Looking at posted pictures from the Ghaz supplement there is no such wording?

I just got a quick question, in the boys section it says one other model may be upgraded to a boss Nob. Does it mean we can have two Nobs in one unit or am I just reading it wrong ? Its the word Other in the sentence that is making me think this.

Cheers

 Warboss Dan wrote:
Does it mean we can have two Nobs in one unit or am I just reading it wrong ? Its the word Other in the sentence that is making me think this.

No. The 'other' refers to the option above in which models can be upgraded with a special weapon, so a Nob can no longer take a Big Shoota.

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:

 Warboss Dan wrote:
Does it mean we can have two Nobs in one unit or am I just reading it wrong ? Its the word Other in the sentence that is making me think this.

No. The 'other' refers to the option above in which models can be upgraded with a special weapon, so a Nob can no longer take a Big Shoota.

Thanks for clearing that up, its clear to me now, just feel like a bit of a melon lol

eh characters lost precision shot so not much reason to give a nob a bigshoota now.

Also on the "one relic" thing....its one of each relic per army not one relic period. The thing were just noticing is its one of any relic per HQ taking the relics.
As of right now, you can have the relic bike, da fixer uppers, and da lucky stikk in the same army without going double foc but you will have 3 warbosses and/or big meks.
Really wish Painboyz could take relics. I'd gladly give him the Stikk lol.

codex contradicts itself.

These lists detail the points values of various items of wargear available to units
in your army. Many unit entries in the datasheets that follow may include
wargear options from one or more of these lists – in each instance, the datasheet
will tell you (in bold text) exactly which of these lists you may use. Rules for these
items can be found in the Appendix.
Ranged Weapons
A model may replace its ranged weapon with one of the following:
- Shoota…free

• May include up to twenty additional Ork Boyz…6 pts/model
• The entire mob may replace their sluggas with shootas…1 pt/model

Slugga Range12" s4 ap 6 pistol
chopper user melee

If a slugga has a range and doesn't have melee in its profile, is it a ranged weapon.?

It has pistol. Pistols are considered a close combat weapon with no AP and user strength in melee combat.
Thats how we get our +1 attack for slugga choppa.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
It has pistol. Pistols are considered a close combat weapon with no AP and user strength in melee combat.
Thats how we get our +1 attack for slugga choppa.

Everything else has melee in its description

 loki old fart wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
It has pistol. Pistols are considered a close combat weapon with no AP and user strength in melee combat.
Thats how we get our +1 attack for slugga choppa.

Everything else has melee in its description

But its type is Pistol, which allows it to be used in Melee. It doesn't need to have a special rule allowing you to do that.

I also have a rules query of my own, concerning the Ork Warband. I'd quite like to use a list which makes use of the Warband and Dakkajets for the Waaagh + Extra Shot every turn. However, if I do this, does the warband count as one detachment and so, in order to stay battle forged, I'd have to add in another detachment (i.e. minimum of 1 HQ and 3 Troops) in order to add in my Dakkajets?

Can Warbosses, Big Meks or Painboys and MegaNobz Mobs purchase Waaagh! Banners? I can only see clearly that Nobz Mobs can take those but in the Ork Wargear section there is no mention of the Banner (nor its cost). It is listed under the Nobz Mobs options although we can find on the Guns and Gubbinz section the description for the Waaaagh! Banner.

Can someone please clarify this?

It's not in the Wargear list, so a unit/model has to have a separate option to take it so, no, Warbosses and the like can't take it. They can take the Lucky Stikk though, which is better.

 The Shadow wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
It has pistol. Pistols are considered a close combat weapon with no AP and user strength in melee combat.
Thats how we get our +1 attack for slugga choppa.

Everything else has melee in its description

But its type is Pistol, which allows it to be used in Melee. It doesn't need to have a special rule allowing you to do that.

I also have a rules query of my own, concerning the Ork Warband. I'd quite like to use a list which makes use of the Warband and Dakkajets for the Waaagh + Extra Shot every turn. However, if I do this, does the warband count as one detachment and so, in order to stay battle forged, I'd have to add in another detachment (i.e. minimum of 1 HQ and 3 Troops) in order to add in my Dakkajets?

Look in ranged weapons rule book 7ed.
pistol is there as a ranged weapon.
look in melee weapons no mention of slugga's.
I know what it was in 5/6th ed but this is 7th ed.

 loki old fart wrote:

Look in ranged weapons rule book 7ed.
pistol is there as a ranged weapon.
look in melee weapons no mention of slugga's.
I know what it was in 5/6th ed but this is 7th ed.

Look under 'Close combat Weapons', there's a section about how to use pistols as a CCW.

 loki old fart wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
It has pistol. Pistols are considered a close combat weapon with no AP and user strength in melee combat.
Thats how we get our +1 attack for slugga choppa.

Everything else has melee in its description

But its type is Pistol, which allows it to be used in Melee. It doesn't need to have a special rule allowing you to do that.

I also have a rules query of my own, concerning the Ork Warband. I'd quite like to use a list which makes use of the Warband and Dakkajets for the Waaagh + Extra Shot every turn. However, if I do this, does the warband count as one detachment and so, in order to stay battle forged, I'd have to add in another detachment (i.e. minimum of 1 HQ and 3 Troops) in order to add in my Dakkajets?

Look in ranged weapons rule book 7ed.
pistol is there as a ranged weapon.
look in melee weapons no mention of slugga's.
I know what it was in 5/6th ed but this is 7th ed.

Pistols as Close Combat Weapons
A pistol can be used as a close combat weapon. If this is done, use the profile given above
– the Strength, AP and special rules of the pistol’s shooting profile are ignored.


Found under Close Combat Weapons- Pistols as a close combat weapon/no specified close combat weapon

Indulge me for a moment.

As a new Ork player, what should I be looking at as far models go? I will have about 20 Boyz, 2 Buggies, 5 Bikes and a Nob, plus the old metal Warboss w/ Squig, if everything works out.

My question is, where should I go from there?

Wait a tic...didn't people say Choppa gives +1 str now? Does this mean our Boyz are WS4, Str4 and T4 all the time? Meaning with a Waaagh banner/Lucky Stixx, we now have WS5, Str 5, T4 Boyz on the charge?

darkcloak wrote:
Indulge me for a moment.

As a new Ork player, what should I be looking at as far models go? I will have about 20 Boyz, 2 Buggies, 5 Bikes and a Nob, plus the old metal Warboss w/ Squig, if everything works out.

My question is, where should I go from there?

I would recommend starting with:
At least 40 to 60 boyz total.
At least one mek with a KFF.
A painboy.
A couple battlewagons
10-15 Lootaz
Mega Nobz, and/or Nobz

These units are useful in almost any list.

Melevolence wrote:
Wait a tic...didn't people say Choppa gives +1 str now? Does this mean our Boyz are WS4, Str4 and T4 all the time? Meaning with a Waaagh banner/Lucky Stixx, we now have WS5, Str 5, T4 Boyz on the charge?

Yes a lot of people did say that, doesn't mean it was true.

Bit of an opinion question:

If a certain dakkanaut was looking to make a single Orky purchase to buff up his current roster what would it be? Combat effectiveness and Aesthetic pleasure are equal in terms of weight of consideration. Between 50 - 100 dollars could be spent. Already got plenty of regular boyz, a Battlewagon, a few trucks, lootas, bustas, and burnas. So most of the little gitz are already part of the line up.

Thoughts? Looking forward to cracking some 'eads.

 gpfunk wrote:
Bit of an opinion question:

If a certain dakkanaut was looking to make a single Orky purchase to buff up his current roster what would it be? Combat effectiveness and Aesthetic pleasure are equal in terms of weight of consideration. Between 50 - 100 dollars could be spent. Already got plenty of regular boyz, a Battlewagon, a few trucks, lootas, bustas, and burnas. So most of the little gitz are already part of the line up.

Thoughts? Looking forward to cracking some 'eads.

So you don't have Warbikerz/Nob Bikerz, Killa Kanz, Deff Dreads, Stormboyz, Buggies, Deffcoptas, 'Nauts, Stompas, MegaNobz, Big Gunz, or Gretchin. All are cool, kustomizable, and fun to play. I would wait a few weeks until the meta settles down and those who already have those models can test the waters to see which builds are worth while. I love my Speed Freeks, so I recommend the Bikes, Stormboyz, and Deffkoptas.

 Ghenghis Jon wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:
Bit of an opinion question:

If a certain dakkanaut was looking to make a single Orky purchase to buff up his current roster what would it be? Combat effectiveness and Aesthetic pleasure are equal in terms of weight of consideration. Between 50 - 100 dollars could be spent. Already got plenty of regular boyz, a Battlewagon, a few trucks, lootas, bustas, and burnas. So most of the little gitz are already part of the line up.

Thoughts? Looking forward to cracking some 'eads.

So you don't have Warbikerz/Nob Bikerz, Killa Kanz, Deff Dreads, Stormboyz, Buggies, Deffcoptas, 'Nauts, Stompas, MegaNobz, Big Gunz, or Gretchin. All are cool, kustomizable, and fun to play. I would wait a few weeks until the meta settles down and those who already have those models can test the waters to see which builds are worth while. I love my Speed Freeks, so I recommend the Bikes, Stormboyz, and Deffkoptas.

Oh shucks. Forgot to mention those bikers. I actually have both the regular and Nob variety. I loved 'em in previous editions. And I do have some Koptas. I'll see what I can see. I suppose I could also get one of those nifty planes. We shall see. Thank you for your opinion.

 Madcat87 wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
Wait a tic...didn't people say Choppa gives +1 str now? Does this mean our Boyz are WS4, Str4 and T4 all the time? Meaning with a Waaagh banner/Lucky Stixx, we now have WS5, Str 5, T4 Boyz on the charge?

Yes a lot of people did say that, doesn't mean it was true.

Well, didn't know that, considering my books were not delivered to my store on time. That, and no one who had the book confirmed nor denied that rumor from what I'd seen. A simple 'yes or no' would have sufficed.

Played my first game @ 1850. Probably not an optimal list, but I wanted to try some of the units that had been buffed and see how much damage the kff/painboy mob could take.

Warboss on bike, PK, supa-bike.
Big Mek, KFF
Painboy.
3x 30 sluggas, 3 rokkits, PK nob
19 grots + grotminder
30 stormboyz, pk nob
10 lootas
2x 2 kannons
15 kommandos, pk nob, snikrot, 2 burnas

Played versus daemons. Orks nearly got tabled, and would have been had the game gone past turn 5. It's easier to get to combat, but losing the first round can be really bad. Winning versus small sacrificial units and ending up bunched up for templates is pretty bad too.

 Geemoney wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
Indulge me for a moment.

As a new Ork player, what should I be looking at as far models go? I will have about 20 Boyz, 2 Buggies, 5 Bikes and a Nob, plus the old metal Warboss w/ Squig, if everything works out.

My question is, where should I go from there?

I would recommend starting with:
At least 40 to 60 boyz total.
At least one mek with a KFF.
A painboy.
A couple battlewagons
10-15 Lootaz
Mega Nobz, and/or Nobz

These units are useful in almost any list.

Thanks man, Deadpool rules!

Also, what about the Warboss? I got him in a trade through the swap shop and at first I didn't like him, but now I just wanna clomp him around the table. He weighs like 5lbs I swear! How does he fare in the new codex as he is? He's armed with an Attack Squig, a Combi Burna and a Bosspole it looks like.

darkcloak wrote:Indulge me for a moment.

As a new Ork player, what should I be looking at as far models go? I will have about 20 Boyz, 2 Buggies, 5 Bikes and a Nob, plus the old metal Warboss w/ Squig, if everything works out.

My question is, where should I go from there?

Im noticing a running theme with the new ork codex. It was there before, but its nowhere near as noticable as it is now.
Spam something.
Yes, BW spamming was a thing before. Boyz spamming was a thing before. Wazdakka lists warbiker spamming was a thing before. But they always lacked something. Almost every one of these lists including a couple others (i would say walker lists are a thing again, using KFF mek on bike to guard them) has other units in other FoCs that either indirectly or directly support the tactic. The list i posted earlier before i realized the "only one relic per character" limitation is a good example of this. Its trukk boyz technically, but im using a gakton of warbikers as a shock attack so you either let 30 bikers blow you to kingdom come and then charge, or let the trukkers reach you. You decide lol.
Outside the supporting of Mek Gunz, which are universal in any tactic, it seems like every unit has a different tactic they actually function in and another they suck balls in thats still a viable tactic (just without that specific unit).

Wall of text overwith, i would suggest looking at the models personally. What ones appeal to you the most/can you afford/able to kitbash effectively? Decide that, read the rules on them to determine how many of what you decided on you need, and spam the gak out of it.
Warbikers are probably going to be very common now though. Or buggies for that matter.

Orks have always been regarded as the most fun army to play. Use this to guide what you buy. Very little in our new codex is total garbage, there just isnt any broken overpowered gak anymore. Hell even burna boyz are viable, though i'd say theyre the lowest on the totem pole atm.

Melevolence wrote:Wait a tic...didn't people say Choppa gives +1 str now? Does this mean our Boyz are WS4, Str4 and T4 all the time? Meaning with a Waaagh banner/Lucky Stixx, we now have WS5, Str 5, T4 Boyz on the charge?

There is a massive, MASSIVE list of things people claimed orks were getting. Supposedly we were also getting army wide 6+ FNP and Boyz were going to be 5pts each.
Prior to about a week ago, i would ignore anything you read unless it was a snapshot of a WD.



Warbosses are not restricted to only one, however i think you'll find it hard to find the slots for more than one. Whether you use the Ork FoC (3HQs) or double normal FoC (4HQs) youre probably going to use them all lol. Remember, Painboyz are HQs now....that eats a LOT of the slots right there.

darkcloak wrote:
Indulge me for a moment.


Also, what about the Warboss? I got him in a trade through the swap shop and at first I didn't like him, but now I just wanna clomp him around the table. He weighs like 5lbs I swear! How does he fare in the new codex as he is? He's armed with an Attack Squig, a Combi Burna and a Bosspole it looks like.

He should have at least a power claw. Generally speaking a Warboss should either be wearing Mega Armour, or be on a bike.

Yeah thats the issue with the old metal boss sadly. You can convert him into a MANz boss with some plasticard and various orky platy bits fairly easily so he'll retain that weight factor you like, but the only other option of warbosses that work is on a bike and GL with that lol. I have the old metal boss with big choppa, i actually broke my tools trying to get that loincloth thingy off his pants so he could sit on a bike lol

What's the consensus on which boyz are better to run in trukks, slugga or shoota? Need to know considering I'm thinking of buying 100 boyz of either or for my mass trukk list.

 Spartan089 wrote:
What's the consensus on which boyz are better to run in trukks, slugga or shoota? Need to know considering I'm thinking of buying 100 boyz of either or for my mass trukk list.

Depends on what you plan for them to do. If I take Trukk Boyz, It's to put pressure on my opponent by threatening them with CC. So, I'll take them all with Slugga/Choppas with Nob/Klaw/Bosspole. Especially now with the Shoota tax, it keeps the squad cheap, but it is still threatening with 4 attacks per Boy on the charge, and of course the unsavory Klaw headed their way too.

If you plan on using them as just a pesky bullet platform, then go ahead and load up with Shootas and scoot about. Just don't expect the Trukk to keep them very safe. Shootas best serve in a BW so they have something sturdy to keep them going, and you can bring up to 20 Shootas instead of only a meager 12 (11 if you bring a Nob to keep them in line). But, this can be a major point sink due to BW costs and their odd shape, meaning you have to be perfect with positioning the Wagon to get the best armor protection possible, or that easy to hit side arc will mess your day up.

I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

In my games thus far, even before 7th, and the few 7th I've played, Trukks are such a viable distraction from the rest of my force, so in that respect, they are simply amazing, even if they still pop to a mild breeze. I only own 4 of them sadly, wish I had at least one more. With those running up 2 feet in a turn, it really FORCES your opponent to respond, depending on their own lists of course.

I still sport Kanz as often as I can. I do love the buggers. So any shots not going for them is a bonus, same goes with my biker units, while my other foot bound Boyz follow up to camp objectives. If they ignore the Trukks in favor of Kanz or Bikes, then thats a promised CC on my following turn, allowing me to tangle up a shooty unit for a turn, and POSSIBLY kill it too if Gork & Mork favor my dice and curse my opponents.

Even with the tweaks, I feel Trukks are still such a staple (At least, for me anyway). It's no BW spam, thats for sure, but it still makes your opponent question their turn...waste a round of shooting trying to pop those Trukks, or hit the scarier stuff out back?

And with my Morkanaught (Aka, Steve) on the way, my Trukks should get even more survival if they choose to try to glance the Naught to death (IF they can with the KFF, Riggers, and Mek(s) inside)

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

Right now I'm think my list will look something like this for 2000pts range

1 battle wagon with Boss and mega Nobz
2 trukks with 5 Burnas each
6 trukks with boyz
15 war buggies
3 looted wagons

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

Right now I'm think my list will look something like this for 2000pts range

1 battle wagon with Bois and mega Nobz
2 trukks with 5 Burnas each
6 trukks with boyz
15 war buggies
3 looted wagons

You can't mingle Mega Nobz and Boys in one wagon, as they can't be part of the same unit. Unless you meant 1 wagon with Boyz, and a different wagon for Mega Nobz?

Do wrecking balls hit on a 5+ now?

Trucks seem scary if orks get the first turn, less so if they get blown up by an alpha strike.

If an opponent goes first with agun line the only thing I can think of is to reserve all of the trucks and go to ground with t7 grot artillery.

Melevolence wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

Right now I'm think my list will look something like this for 2000pts range

1 battle wagon with Bois and mega Nobz
2 trukks with 5 Burnas each
6 trukks with boyz
15 war buggies
3 looted wagons

You can't mingle Mega Nobz and Boys in one wagon, as they can't be part of the same unit. Unless you meant 1 wagon with Boyz, and a different wagon for Mega Nobz?

it was supposed to be boss* damn auto correct.

 Spartan089 wrote:

Melevolence wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I find that low units such as those in trukks tend to favor sluggachoppa even in 6th. Now with the price hike on shootas, even more so. And the run + charge on waaagh and reroll 1 die on charge.

Bigger thought with trukks is what else are you bringing. If the trukks are your main force, youre wasting your time. I have fairly good luck, before the 7th changes btw as i havent even touched my orks since 7th, getting my trukks across the table in 1 turn when i have something thats a lot more dangerous looking and/or durable thats in the way....namely bikers or stormboyz.

Right now I'm think my list will look something like this for 2000pts range

1 battle wagon with Bois and mega Nobz
2 trukks with 5 Burnas each
6 trukks with boyz
15 war buggies
3 looted wagons

You can't mingle Mega Nobz and Boys in one wagon, as they can't be part of the same unit. Unless you meant 1 wagon with Boyz, and a different wagon for Mega Nobz?

it was supposed to be boss* damn auto correct.

XD No worries brah! Just be careful with the Megaboss, as he will Slow & Purposeful the entire squad as well, so if the Wagon pops, they might be in some trouble XD

 Spartan089 wrote:
What's the consensus on which boyz are better to run in trukks, slugga or shoota? Need to know considering I'm thinking of buying 100 boyz of either or for my mass trukk list.

I am not sure on any vehicles any more they all seem like death traps with the new mob rule. Trukk blows up lose half your boys, take a pinning check and if you fail lose more boys, now you lost over 25% take another ld test if you fail lose even more boys hopefully they don't have allot of models that cause fear or moral tests. Seems like there is a chance you might kill more of your own models than you opponent =P . Maybe if you take a gak ton of trukks or BW's. I need some more games to tell for sure but I am thinking of bikes and stormboyz for sure then you might force your opponent to shoot at them instead of your vehicles for a turn or two.

I made up a quick 2000pt list based around a Stormboy/Trukk rush. Hopefully there is enough fast movers in there to split the opponents fire and let a bit get through. Big gunz are in support to crack tanks, flyers and any heavy hitters you don;t want your boyz getting tangled up with.



Thoughts?

pepe5454 wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
What's the consensus on which boyz are better to run in trukks, slugga or shoota? Need to know considering I'm thinking of buying 100 boyz of either or for my mass trukk list.

I am not sure on any vehicles any more they all seem like death traps with the new mob rule. Trukk blows up lose half your boys, take a pinning check and if you fail lose more boys, now you lost over 25% take another ld test if you fail lose even more boys hopefully they don't have allot of models that cause fear or moral tests. Seems like there is a chance you might kill more of your own models than you opponent =P . Maybe if you take a gak ton of trukks or BW's. I need some more games to tell for sure but I am thinking of bikes and stormboyz for sure then you might force your opponent to shoot at them instead of your vehicles for a turn or two.

It always seems worse on paper and when our minds make up the worst case scenarios possible in order to justify that something is bad. Trukks are still worth taking. With Ramshackle giving us a chance at least not to lose any guys, we can still make out good. Also, with Ard Armor, you can shrug off those explosion hits fairly easily. Nob with Bosspole should keep them in line, again shrugging off hits with Ard Armor.

Even if you don't use armor, and your opponent focuses on your dirt cheap trukk, thats less shots aimed at your important things. And that, I'm OK with. Every shot not fired at my Kanz, or soon to arrive Naught, the better. Leave my Big Gunz alone like a fool, and take out my Trukks like a silly man. Trukks, in my bottom line, are threat saturation, and cheap ways to keep fire off everything else, as my opponent knows they can't shoot if those Boyz tie them up. Even one turn of no shooting will hurt them. Any turn my large blobs of angry Boyz get of free running with no casualties is good in my book.

I wouldn't bother with Storm Boyz unless you got Zag to get them to deep strike. Thats how you REALLY get them to focus fire on them, Otherwise, they will just pie plate you before you even get to lift off.


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Killbles wrote:
I made up a quick 2000pt list based around a Stormboy/Trukk rush. Hopefully there is enough fast movers in there to split the opponents fire and let a bit get through. Big gunz are in support to crack tanks, flyers and any heavy hitters you don;t want your boyz getting tangled up with.

Spoiler:

Hq
Warboss
Warbike
Power Klaw
Da Finkin' Cap
120

Painboy
Warbike
75

Troops
12 Boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and Bosspole
Trukk
142

12 Boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and Bosspole
Trukk
142

12 Boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and Bosspole
Trukk
142

12 Boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and Bosspole
Trukk
142

Fast Attack
30 Storm boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and boss pole
310

30 Storm boyz
Nob w/ Power Klaw and boss pole
310

8 Bikes
Nob w/ Power Klaw and boss pole
184

Heavy Support
5 Smasha Gunz
5 Extra Krew
5 Ammo runtz
180

4 Kustom Mega Kannons
8 Extra crew
142

3 Traktor Kannonz
3 Ammo runtz
3 Extra Krew
108

Thoughts?

Traktor Kannonz will be dead weight unless you know your opponent is bringing some fliers. I'd only take a couple of them, since I believe they have Skyfire, and will only be able to snapshot things on the ground. Maybe 2 Traktors and replace the third with a different Gun for a little extra wham.

Skyfire things can still target Skimmers wi'out penalties though, right?

So you'll be okay unless your opponent doesn't take any flyers or skimmers.

Melevolence wrote:
Traktor Kannonz will be dead weight unless you know your opponent is bringing some fliers. I'd only take a couple of them, since I believe they have Skyfire, and will only be able to snapshot things on the ground. Maybe 2 Traktors and replace the third with a different Gun for a little extra wham.

Flyers, FMC & skimmers. This consists of a lot of strong consistent choices among a lot of armies I'd say it's a very easy bet that something they are designed to kill will be on the board.

If not the unit was cheap and not a major loss worse case you can throw them up the front of your army and have some T7 screening wounds.

 Madcat87 wrote:

Melevolence wrote:
Traktor Kannonz will be dead weight unless you know your opponent is bringing some fliers. I'd only take a couple of them, since I believe they have Skyfire, and will only be able to snapshot things on the ground. Maybe 2 Traktors and replace the third with a different Gun for a little extra wham.

Flyers, FMC & skimmers. This consists of a lot of strong consistent choices among a lot of armies I'd say it's a very easy bet that something they are designed to kill will be on the board.

If not the unit was cheap and not a major loss worse case you can throw them up the front of your army and have some T7 screening wounds.

I suppose that true enough as well. Suppose it depends on how well you know your opponents really as well. Example, our local Necron player is notorious for his Doom Scythes. So, anytime I play him, I'll be bringing Trakktors.

Something that occured to me as I'm looking through the codex, the following units/models don't have stikk bombs:

Painboy
Weirdboy
Mad dok
Gretchin
deffkoptas
warbikes
Mek Gunz


The mad dok has a powerfist; Deffkoptas, warbikes & Mek Gunz aren't getting into vehicles any time soon and gretching are well... gretchin. So the painboy and weird boy are the only two models suffering from a lack stikkbombs, so why the feth does the codex still have the option of a stikkbomb chukka for vehicles? It is a literally useless upgrade for 95% of the codex. Granted it wasn't that useful last codex but at least it could have been used in some way now it's just a trap for newbies to fall into.

Seen quite a few times that people are saying Killkannon has no transport tax. It has the same 8 model capacity tax as it used to, reducing capacity to 12. Pg 79 of the codex.

So what if you combine the Ghazzy supplement FoC & Ally the Ork codex FoC.... Could you then take multiple relics per army per model?

One from the Ghazzy Supplement & one from the normal codex.



Nevermind... The answer is no

Been reading the codex all night. from what I can tell, it is harder to use Painboyz now that they are an HQ. I used to run 2 painboyz, one in Nob bikerz and one in regular nob unit now they just don't seem to justify the cost.

So far it is looking like all we really got is more expensive shoota boyz.

I guess stacking Meks with KFF's is a good thing. I do also think the Weirdboyz may be viable now. I may have to buy some Nurgle demons for summoning.

I am trying to find ways to make the Morkanaut useful, but am having trouble justifying the cost.

I have never played MegaNobz, but putting them into a vehicle and pointing them at something to destroy might be fun.

Jury is still out for me, I am really looking at the clear cut advantages that Orks got and there doesn't seem to be anything major.

Just finished a Quartermaster template for the new book. I've added in the Looted Wagon and left out LoW and special characters. Please let me know of any errors.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ajav6vbh4fgit08/Orks%20%287th%20Ed%29.qmtemplate

The link is to drop box needs opening with QM. Edit to fix Warbiker costs and adds Painboy wargear.

Firstly, Apologies if this has already been discussed.

I've been looking through the main codex and I'm a bit confused about why Ghaz is a Lord of War. He actually seems weaker than before without his invulnerable, +2A headbutt and guaranteed 6" waagh...

The only reason I could see why he might be Lord of War was the Ork warband formation that lets you waagh every turn... With a 2+ invul on waagh, this might actually make Ghaz worthwhile....

The issue is that I can't see how Ghaz can be taken with this formation. The formation specifically requires a generic Warboss who is also the Warlord for waagh to be called every turn. Ghaz doesn't HAVE to be warlord, but he only gets the 2+ invul if he is warlord...

Am I missing something here? Ghaz can't do endless 2+ invul, can he? I haven't seen the Ghaz supplement so not sure if there are shenanigans that allow this in there.

Trukk results

1 unit of 12 Trukk Boyz w/ Nob w/ PK+BP
72+30+10+25+5
142

If a unit shoots a krak missile at this Trukk, 66% chance to hit, 66% chance to pen 83% chance to bypass ramshackle = 36%
chance to cause explodes result = 16%
6% chance per missile to cause an explodes result / per Long Fang pack = 29%

If a unit shoots a Lascannon at this Trukk, 66% chance to hit, 83% chance to pen 83% chance to bypass ramshackle = 45%
chance to cause explodes result = 33%
15% chance per Las to cause an explodes result / per Devasator squad = 60%

Explodes result causes S4 AP- hits * 12 squad members = 6 wounds * .83 for 6+ armor save = 4.98 unsaved wounds. 12/5=41%
Pinning Test 42% chance to fail leadership test, .55% chance for Breaking Heads result = D6/3.5 S4 hits average * .5 for T * .83 for 6+ armor = .42*.55*3.5*.5*.83 = .33 wounds avg
Chance to fail Pinning Test w/ bosspole = .42*.45 = 18.9% chance for squad to become pinned

41% casualties lost to explosion triggers leadership test on average.
Leadership Test 42% chance to fail morale test, .33% chance for Breaking Heads result = D6/3.5 S4 hits average * .5 for T * .5 for 6+ armor = .42*.55*3.5*.5*.83 = .33 wounds avg
Chance to fail Pinning Test w/ bosspole = .42*.45 = 18.9% chance for squad to fail morale test, break and run.

Avg results from a squad of Long Fangs shooting at a Trukk w/ 12 Boyz:
29% chance of explodes result * 5.66 wounds * 18.9% chance to pin * 18.9% chance to fail morale test= 1.64 unsaved wounds average, 5.5% chance to pin, 5.5% chance to fail leadership

Avg results from a squad of Devastators w/ Lascannons shooting at a Trukk w/ 12 Boyz;
60% chance of explodes result * 5.66 wounds * 18.9% chance to pin * 18.9% chance to fail morale test = 3.396 wounds, 11.34% chance to pin, 11.34% chance to fail morale test

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1 unit of 'ard boyz in Trukk w/ Nob with PK + BP
120+30+10+25+5
190

If a unit shoots a krak missile at this Trukk, 66% chance to hit, 66% chance to pen 83% chance to bypass ramshackle = 36%
chance to cause explodes result = 16%
6% chance per missile to cause an explodes result / per Long Fang pack = 29%

If a unit shoots a Lascannon at this Trukk, 66% chance to hit, 83% chance to pen 83% chance to bypass ramshackle = 45%
chance to cause explodes result = 33%
15% chance per Las to cause an explodes result / per Devasator squad = 60%

Explodes result causes S4 AP- hits * 12 squad members = 6 wounds * .5 for 4+ armor save = 3 unsaved wounds. 12/3=25%
Pinning Test 42% chance to fail leadership test, .55% chance for Breaking Heads result = D6/3.5 S4 hits average * .5 for T * .5for 4+ armor = .42*.55*3.5*.5*.5 = .20 wounds avg
Chance to fail Pinning Test w/ bosspole = .42*.45 = 18.9% chance for squad to become pinned

25% casualties lost to explosion triggers leadership test on average.
Leadership Test 42% chance to fail morale test, .33% chance for Breaking Heads result = D6/3.5 S4 hits average * .5 for T * .5for 4+ armor = .42*.33*3.5*.5*.5 = .20 wounds avg
Chance to fail Pinning Test w/ bosspole = .42*.45 = 18.9% chance for squad to fail morale test, break and run.

Avg results from a squad of Long Fangs shooting at a Trukk w/ 12 'ard Boyz:
29% chance of explodes result * 3.4 wounds * 18.9% chance to pin * 18.9% chance to fail morale test= .6 unsaved wounds average, 5.5% chance to pin, 5.5% chance to fail leadership

Avg results from a squad of Devastators w/ Lascannons shooting at a Trukk w/ 12 'Ard Boyz;
60% chance of explodes result * 3.4 wounds * 18.9% chance to pin * 18.9% chance to fail morale test = 2.04 wounds, 11.34% chance to pin, 11.34% chance to fail morale test

coolmandool wrote:
Am I missing something here?

Yes. The Stampede rule is a command benefit of the Formation Warboss only. You can include Thrakka as a LoW, but, if you make him your Warlord, he does not gain access to the Formation Command Traits. Also, he only gains his 2+ invul when he calls is Waaagh!, so no permanent 2+ invul.

The stikkbomb chukka says 'the vehicle is armed with stikkbombs' as well, so at least you get another shooting attack out of it, pathetic as it may be.

Looks like 'eavy armour is rather necessary for trukk riders.

Hey, here's a weird question... can Big Gunz run?

Because I'm here thinking, you know, those are big honkin' models. They have wheels, so I know they can move. The unit has a Toughness of 7.

Paradoxically as it seems, if you take them with just the free weapon, they could be rolled in front of your army as a screen, protecting the more fragile boyz behind them. Heck, place 'em base to base and you can't even shoot through the unit at all, while spreading them out gives the 5+ cover save.

Weird concept, but.

I see absolutely nothing preventing artillery from running in 7th edition.

At 18 points for two grots and a gun, it actually seems more efficient than using gretchin for cover, although you probably want some method of ensuring they don't run away... I've got a terrible notion that Mad Dok Grotsnik might just be the best way to do that. He can't give FNP to the crew for most shots, but he can grant it to the guns as far as I can tell.

Just got the codex. Could some one talk me off of the ledge. I'm seeing an over arching NERF to my army. 8000 points painted! Ready to go! I have a brand new codex and a tourney TODAY 750 pt doubles. Thinking of leaving the boys at home.

Fie on:
-Mob Rule
-Deff Rolla Nerf
-Loota class switch
-Shootas more expensive (WTF, GW?)
-Goobernaut
-Killa Kan Nerf and more expensive
-KFF Nerf. I would rather have the old one.
-Waagh jet Nerf

Horay for:
-Pain Boss
-'Ere We Go
-Warlord Traits
-Restoring Waagh (overdue)
-Mek IC
-Stampede (big tax to get it though)
-Gifts of Gork

Show me the path dakka. You're my only hope.

The sheer fact that big guns are not straight up denied shooting if they move is kinda interesting. Vast majority of them wont fire anyway since theyre blasts firing snapshots. But we are one of the few armies that can confer "relentless" to a random unit through SnP. Previously the only unit that could benefit from that were Lootas and they didnt need to move....ever...now Mek Gunz can benefit and unless youre using Lobbas or another 48" gun, moving up once or twice might be important and make or break your army's killin power.

Stikbombs have and always will be pointless. Unless they gave orks a static I3 so we could at least attack before the gunline armies that do not like melee (ig, tau, necrons) which would make SENSE....stikkbombs literally means jack squat lol. I never bought that stikkbomb chukka before, never will this codex either.

Not even going to take boarding planks except on a BW. 15pts is WAY steep to slap on a trukk lol

Codex in hand, I'm positively appalled. I still don't know what to do of my orks when a lowly tank-shocking rhino or fear-inducing enemy can throw the bulk of my forces into a suicidal frenzy. Sure, there are some good picks here and there but, surrounded by non-threats as they are, any opponent can single them out and, in no small part thanks to Mob Rule, break them with ease.

Anyways, let's focus on the positives.

- Mek Guns: Resilient, cheap and absolutely devastating. One of the few units without obvious cons. The age of the Loota is over, all hail the Mek Gun.
- Buggies: What's the point in taking Tankbustas when you can take the cheaper, faster and more accurate buggies instead? And outflanking to boot!
- Warbikes: While a bit tougher than every other ork unit, they're still vulnerable to the pesky Mob Rule so adding a bikerboss for a Ld boost is pretty much mandatory. Speaking of which, now that warbosses in general have lost some of the little goodies that made them shine, babysitting bikers and striking down targets of opportunity will be my Bikerboss' main duties. And if an enemy CC beatstick rears its ugly butt, I'll be unleashing the combined power of 16 twin-linked big shootas upon it and driving over its bullet-ridden corpse.
- Blitza Bomma: I always loved the model, now I have good reasons to field it.
- KFF Bikers: Still unsure if it's possible or not (a fellow ork player swears you can). If it is, that mobile, resilient bubble of 5++ will surely come in handy.
- Stompa: Though my group is still reluctant to let superheavies in, I think the Stompa is one of the better balanced units in the codex. Good guns, crazy good in CC, fast, dead hard if kitted properly and packing a nice bubble of fearlessness around it, the Stompa seems to be the deathstar Nob Bikers once were. We ork players must lobby hard to gain widespread acceptance for our fat robot ballerinas. It's sad that we have been forced to invest 700+ points in a superheavy to get what other armies take for granted, but as things stand now it is our lackluster codex's only answer to all the threats we're powerless against.

So is a flash Gitzcforce possible ?

So Flash Gitz seem like they are better than Nobz in any way since they're only 4 pts more than regular nobs and also all come with bosspoles. However I am still confused at what they are supposed to do. Sure, they sound cool, but 3 S5 shots on a 6+ save platform isn't really that amazing and isn't likely to shoot any unit off the board in a turn. Sure they have a 50% chance of ignoring power armor but I don't really count 50% as good odds especially when you can't roll the AP until after you target a unit.

Are regular nobz in a transport useful at all these days? They don't seem to have changed much since the last Codex, except now they need to be babysat by an HQ (Painboy) to be as much of a threat as they used to. In a fluffy Goff-styled army (maybe in a battlewagon), can they compete at all with Meganobz and hordes of Slugga Boyz as a close combat tool?

I understand they simply lack the beastliness to fight other dedicated CC units from other armies, so what is their purpose? If it's bullying non-dedicated CC units, don't larger numbers of boyz do it just as well with a hidden PK?

My 2 largest armies are Tyranids and Orks, with Orks being my first love, and I'm despairing right now. Both codexes seem to have been written in a vacuum where none of the really powerful 'dexes exist and the rules of 7th don't overwhelmingly favour shooting unless you have insane speed AND resilience, neither of which Orks/'Nids have. As for positives about this codex Agent_Tremolo pretty much hit it on the head with the possible addition of Deffkoptas. In short: Codex: Orks = one massive monobuild meh. Oh well, maybe I'll have some fun playing it as long as I don't have to face really powerful lists.

I played a game against Dark Angels last night at 1000 points, and I won quite handily. I think he kept too much in reserve and spent too many points on HQ and a Land Raider, to be fair.

I quite like being able to take eavy armour on all of my boys mobs. Makes it feel like a more elite army but you still get to bring a big horde of boys.

 Jambles wrote:
I played a game against Dark Angels last night at 1000 points, and I won quite handily. I think he kept too much in reserve and spent too many points on HQ and a Land Raider, to be fair.

I quite like being able to take eavy armour on all of my boys mobs. Makes it feel like a more elite army but you still get to bring a big horde of boys.

I keep coming back to this as well, you can spam ardboyz! With a painboy in the unit they really feel elite.

 Jambles wrote:
I played a game against Dark Angels last night at 1000 points, and I won quite handily. I think he kept too much in reserve and spent too many points on HQ and a Land Raider, to be fair.

I quite like being able to take eavy armour on all of my boys mobs. Makes it feel like a more elite army but you still get to bring a big horde of boys.

I played a 1000pt game vs space wolves last night and I got poop in my mouth. I'd love to spam 'ard boyz, but I feel like in my small list, it over cost me. Definitely want to try 'ard boys and a doc to create an elite blob in my next 1850 game.

Is there any point to still putting Klaws on nob lead trukk boyz? They dont even seem to last long enough to make a difference.

Also heres a 2000pt list I came up with, its a trukk list with a screen of buggies to defend the wave of trukks.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Is there any point to still putting Klaws on nob lead trukk boyz? They dont even seem to last long enough to make a difference.

Also heres a 2000pt list I came up with, its a trukk list with a screen of buggies to defend the wave of trukks.

Spoiler:

HQ

War Boss - 135
Mega Armor, Power Klaw, Lucky Stikk, Cybork, boss pole

Big Mek – 130
Mega armor, Power Klaw, KFF, Cybork

Elite

3 Mega Nobs – 255
Battle Wagon w/ Kannon, Ram

5 Burnas - 115
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

5 Burnas - 115
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

Troops

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram


Fast Attack

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

Heavy

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

I haven't had much chance to test the newer changes, but I always feel Klaws on Nobz is manditory. Without it, those Trukk Boyz DEFINATLY won't be doing a heck of a lot once in CC. In my last game, a single Klaw nob single handedly killed a Necron walker, while boys acted as wound shields.

So I've been trying hard to think of what to do with a tellyport blasta big mek, because it just sounds so cool to me. I finally had a eureka moment.
Big mek + mega armor (with klaw and mega-blasta), tellyport blasta, and LUCKY STIKK.
This guys rolls with a unit of Flash Gitz and uses the stikk to tank for them on his 2+ rerolling save in the enemy's turn (or simply LoS if getting shot with AP 1 or 2), and then he uses his hit reroll for his tellyport blasta (or even his mega-blasta if he's not within 12"). Finally, he can reroll wounds just in case you're up against something like Centurions or a Wraithknight.
I'm glad I thought of a use for him that should work pretty well!

This unit would probably do best staying low key until late game when it shows up and starts blasting, or else I would throw a painboy in there, but I think that would attract too much attention.

Melevolence wrote:

 Spartan089 wrote:
Is there any point to still putting Klaws on nob lead trukk boyz? They dont even seem to last long enough to make a difference.

Also heres a 2000pt list I came up with, its a trukk list with a screen of buggies to defend the wave of trukks.

Spoiler:

HQ

War Boss - 135
Mega Armor, Power Klaw, Lucky Stikk, Cybork, boss pole

Big Mek – 130
Mega armor, Power Klaw, KFF, Cybork

Elite

3 Mega Nobs – 255
Battle Wagon w/ Kannon, Ram

5 Burnas - 115
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

5 Burnas - 115
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

Troops

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rockets & ram

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 147
Nob w/ boss pole & Power klaw
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram

11 Boyz - 127
Nob w/ boss pole & Big Choppa
Trukk w/ rokkets & ram


Fast Attack

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

War Buggies (4) - 100
Rokkets

Heavy

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

2 Mek Gunz – 39
Ammo Runt

I haven't had much chance to test the newer changes, but I always feel Klaws on Nobz is manditory. Without it, those Trukk Boyz DEFINATLY won't be doing a heck of a lot once in CC. In my last game, a single Klaw nob single handedly killed a Necron walker, while boys acted as wound shields.

Thats why I didnt phase out all the klaws, out of 6 groups of trukk boys I put 3 of them with klaws

No one has been talking about our wierdboys...

I feel they are pretty freaken awesome. They have some nice witchfire spells but where I think they really shine is there WC1 deepstrike rule.

Attach a painboy and a weirdboy in a squad of flashgitz and just tellaport them around the field killing all the fun stuff.

Since the psykic phase is its own phase now the squad doesn't count as moving, letting them get anywhere and retain that BS3.

Then you start adding in tellaporting MANz...who needs trukks when you can show-up behind the enemy turn 1

Hazard30 wrote:
No one has been talking about our wierdboys...

I feel they are pretty freaken awesome. They have some nice witchfire spells but where I think they really shine is there WC1 deepstrike rule.

Attach a painboy and a weirdboy in a squad of flashgitz and just tellaport them around the field killing all the fun stuff.

Since the psykic phase is its own phase now the squad doesn't count as moving, letting them get anywhere and retain that BS3.

Then you start adding in tellaporting MANz...who needs trukks when you can show-up behind the enemy turn 1

When you deep strike, you count as having moved for the shooting phase.

Just played my first 2 games today with the new codex vs IG and Necrons... Speed Freaks are going to be a lot of fun. The new Waaagh! Is a total game changer. I was in cc with 80% of my army round 2 in both games.

Plus even though I hate the new ramshackle its way better than getting blown up 2/3 of the time. I lost 2 out of 12 trukks to explode results over 2 games and just 1 of 4 wagons.

The new mob rule isnt that bad. I missed a few checks but never lost a lot of boyz because of it. There is light at the end of the tunnel for those of us that feel the need for speed.

Beat Necrons 11 to 4 in 5 turns.
Beat IG 23 to 3. Tabled him turn 6.

What about a weird boy with a Gorkanaut. If I drop a gorkanaut in your lap I don't think you will be shooting at the trucks charging across the board. I really wish they had made the Deffdread a unit of 2. They look like fun but just are not worth the HS slot.

Stashgordon36 wrote:
Just played my first 2 games today with the new codex vs IG and Necrons... Speed Freaks are going to be a lot of fun. The new Waaagh! Is a total game changer. I was in cc with 80% of my army round 2 in both games.

Plus even though I hate the new ramshackle its way better than getting blown up 2/3 of the time. I lost 2 out of 12 trukks to explode results over 2 games and just 1 of 4 wagons.

The new mob rule isnt that bad. I missed a few checks but never lost a lot of boyz because of it. There is light at the end of the tunnel for those of us that feel the need for speed.

Beat Necrons 11 to 4 in 5 turns.
Beat IG 23 to 3. Tabled him turn 6.

Good to hear! Could you maybe state what your list was, and what lists they were running (roughly speaking)?

It's good to get some actual in-game info, anecdotal though it may be.

For all of you coming here to complain about the changes: We all sympathise with your position, being Ork players ourselves, but as valid as your complaints are, this thread is not the place for them. This thread is about brainstorming tactics using the NEW Ork codex, not lamenting the old one.

If you've come here with the sole intention of complaining about what changed, save your time and don't post. No one here who is actually here to discuss tactics will read it anyway, I know I've long since blocked out the vast majority of complaints as white noise.

Anyway, I had a great time today with a unit of 17 'ard boyz with a painboy and a warboss in mega armour with the lucky stick, all rolling in a battlewagon. That unit just did not die.

Couple of observations about MegaNobz. They are both improved, but still situational.

Good:
*may trade both weapons for 2 killsaws. With this upgrade, MegaNobz are the best CC anti-vehicle unit in the codex (S9, armourbane, +1 from two specialist weapons, AP2).

Bad:
*still can't run.....except, if Ghazzy calls a Waaagh.
*same point cost as a terminator, yet not invul, or deepstrike
*still no sweeping advance
*no waaaagh banner

All in all, they make a good secondary CC unit, but are too slow, and transport dependant to be a front line unit. Funny thing is that now that Cybork bodies lost invuls, and any unit can get a Painboy, value for MegaNobz has gone up.

 herpguy wrote:
So I've been trying hard to think of what to do with a tellyport blasta big mek, because it just sounds so cool to me. I finally had a eureka moment.
Big mek + mega armor (with klaw and mega-blasta), tellyport blasta, and LUCKY STIKK.
This guys rolls with a unit of Flash Gitz and uses the stikk to tank for them on his 2+ rerolling save in the enemy's turn (or simply LoS if getting shot with AP 1 or 2), and then he uses his hit reroll for his tellyport blasta (or even his mega-blasta if he's not within 12"). Finally, he can reroll wounds just in case you're up against something like Centurions or a Wraithknight.
I'm glad I thought of a use for him that should work pretty well!

This unit would probably do best staying low key until late game when it shows up and starts blasting, or else I would throw a painboy in there, but I think that would attract too much attention.

I like it. The only issue I can see is you could end up in situations where you are up against something that the Flashgitz shouldn't be shooting at, put is a prime target for the Tellyporty, ie vehicles.

mrfantastical wrote:
Couple of observations about MegaNobz. They are both improved, but still situational.

Good:
*may trade both weapons for 2 killsaws. With this upgrade, MegaNobz are the best CC anti-vehicle unit in the codex (S9, armourbane, +1 from two specialist weapons, AP2).

Bad:
*still can't run.....except, if Ghazzy calls a Waaagh.
*same point cost as a terminator, yet not invul, or deepstrike
*still no sweeping advance
*no waaaagh banner

All in all, they make a good secondary CC unit, but are too slow, and transport dependant to be a front line unit. Funny thing is that now that Cybork bodies lost invuls, and any unit can get a Painboy, value for MegaNobz has gone up.

A unit of 3 in a trukk, hugging cover as it zooms across the board, would at least be a great distraction unit. But yes, annoyingly slow - if the trukk blows up early, then plodding 6" per turn towards the enemy won't scare anyone :(

A unit of 3 in a trukk, hugging cover as it zooms across the board, would at least be a great distraction unit. But yes, annoyingly slow - if the trukk blows up early, then plodding 6" per turn towards the enemy won't scare anyone :(

But hopefully those 3 trukks of slugga boyz who burst through the flaming wreck of the MANz missile and straight into the faces of all those wimpie tau are plenty scary alone

With trukks being able to be brought as FA at a pretty darn cheap price, perhaps simply a couple back-up trukks for 70 pts is in order? Especially if you've ran alot of MANz (Manz formation eh). They can scoot about and pick up that stranded MANz unit, act as a LOS blocker, or simply ram things Either way, if the enemy decides shooting your empty transport is the best move he can make, then either he's not a particularly great player or hes gona table you

Here's a headscratcher: Tankbusta Nob has access to Melee Weapons.

Melee weapons says you MAY replace a melee weapon to get access to a PK or Big Choppa.

Only way to give a Tankbusta Nob a melee weapon is to pay 2 points to give a normal tankbusta a tankhammer, then upgrade him to a Nob, then replace the tankhammer with a PK or Big Choppa. This wastes one of your possible 2 tankhammers in the unit.

Yeap. I don't think there is a point in giving the tankbusta nob a PK though. He already has a melta bomb, as does the rest of the unit. You can simply toss 12 meltabombs as any given vehicle or MC in close combat, few are going to survive that anyway.

Added formations and the detachment from Waaagh! Ghazghkull to first post.

Tank-Hammers in general seem a bit lame. Whats the point when you have Melta-Bombs..?

Well, they work pretty well when stuck in combat with regular infantry.

Is there any reason to take the stikkbomb upgrade for vehicles?
Am I just missing something?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/602846.page#6980638

 BigmekRatsmek wrote:
Is there any reason to take the stikkbomb upgrade for vehicles?
Am I just missing something?

It should count as a weapon for Weapon Destroyed (after all, it does allow you to shoot) so on a BW with Killkannon or something it might be worth it for the extra random weapon destroyed protection.

That's about the best thing I can say about it though, unless you are putting Grotz into trukks for some reason. Pretty much it just looks like GW wasn't paying attention.

 streamdragon wrote:

 BigmekRatsmek wrote:
Is there any reason to take the stikkbomb upgrade for vehicles?
Am I just missing something?

It should count as a weapon for Weapon Destroyed (after all, it does allow you to shoot) so on a BW with Killkannon or something it might be worth it for the extra random weapon destroyed protection.

That's about the best thing I can say about it though, unless you are putting Grotz into trukks for some reason. Pretty much it just looks like GW wasn't paying attention.

Well thats something, I guess.

Got to say the HQ formation from the Ghazghkull supplement looks fun. Might try that out on a 1000 points game, see what my opponent has to say to that, when all I field is one BW.

Looking through the thread, I think we need to just max out the better units. If I was building a list I would start with this:
zagstruk ( cheap and great warlord trait )
2 painboy bikers ( for warbikerz mobs)
2x 3 meganobs in BWs (cover those advancing bikes)
troops (undecided)
2x 15 waerbikerz, nob klaw
3x2 mek guns (undecided on mix)
I'm sure this would be a good basis for a 1850 list. Just need someone to flesh it out properly.

Tanksbustas should get in there somewhere. With their reduced cost, fixed Glory Hogs, standard melta bombs, and AP3 melee weapons along with S8 shooting enmasse, they are easily one of the most buffed units in the book.

Mek guns will do the job. The list now - without troops is around 1500+. Adding a tankabuster squad leaves too little for troops.

 felixcat wrote:

Looking through the thread, I think we need to just max out the better units. If I was building a list I would start with this:
zagstruk ( cheap and great warlord trait )
2 painboy bikers ( for warbikerz mobs)
2x 3 meganobs in BWs (cover those advancing bikes)
troops (undecided)
2x 15 waerbikerz, nob klaw
3x2 mek guns (undecided on mix)
I'm sure this would be a good basis for a 1850 list. Just need someone to flesh it out properly.

Problem I've been running into is our troops.... They suck. I usually pay the gretchin tax (they did get cheaper), or just run unbound.


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This is what I ran the other day against a friends tournament list. It did well.

Warboss: Warbike; Power Klaw; Da Finkin' Kap. 120
Warboss: Power Klaw; Warboss Gazbag's Blitzbike. 120
Warboss: Warbike; Power Klaw; Da Lucky Stikk. 135
Painboy: Warbike. 75

9 Warbikers: Nob (Big Choppa). 177

5 Mek Gunz: 5× Kustom Mega-Kannon. 150
5 Mek Gunz: 5× Kustom Mega-Kannon. 150
5 Mek Gunz: 5× Kustom Mega-Kannon. 150
10 Lootas 140
10 Lootas 140
10 Lootas 140

1,497 points

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

Stashgordon36 wrote:
Just played my first 2 games today with the new codex vs IG and Necrons... Speed Freaks are going to be a lot of fun. The new Waaagh! Is a total game changer. I was in cc with 80% of my army round 2 in both games.

Plus even though I hate the new ramshackle its way better than getting blown up 2/3 of the time. I lost 2 out of 12 trukks to explode results over 2 games and just 1 of 4 wagons.

The new mob rule isnt that bad. I missed a few checks but never lost a lot of boyz because of it. There is light at the end of the tunnel for those of us that feel the need for speed.

Beat Necrons 11 to 4 in 5 turns.
Beat IG 23 to 3. Tabled him turn 6.

Good to hear! Could you maybe state what your list was, and what lists they were running (roughly speaking)?

It's good to get some actual in-game info, anecdotal though it may be.

For all of you coming here to complain about the changes: We all sympathise with your position, being Ork players ourselves, but as valid as your complaints are, this thread is not the place for them. This thread is about brainstorming tactics using the NEW Ork codex, not lamenting the old one.

If you've come here with the sole intention of complaining about what changed, save your time and don't post. No one here who is actually here to discuss tactics will read it anyway, I know I've long since blocked out the vast majority of complaints as white noise.

Anyway, I had a great time today with a unit of 17 'ard boyz with a painboy and a warboss in mega armour with the lucky stick, all rolling in a battlewagon. That unit just did not die.

Here was the 1500 point List I used:

HQ
Warboss - Mega Armor, Bosspole, Cybork, Lucky Stikk

Elites
Mega Nobz (3) - Kombi Skorchas x3, Battlewagon w/ ram and rockits
Burna Boyz (8) - Trukk w/ ram and rockits
Nob Squad (5) - PK, BP, Big Choppa x2, Eavy Armor, Battlewagon w/ ram and rockits

Troops
Trukk Boyz - Nob, PK, BP, Trukk w / ram and rockits
Trukk Boyz - Nob, PK, BP, Trukk w / ram and rockits
Trukk Boyz - Nob, PK, BP, Trukk w / ram and rockits

Fast Attack
Warbikes (3) - No Upgrades

Heavy Support
Flash Gitz (5) - Trukk w/ ram and rockits
Kannon
Kannon

Total Points 1499


The IG player had 3 Russes (2 Plasma, 1 Vanquisher), 2 Chimeras full of melta vets, Command Squad with Master of Ordiance, Wyvern, and a few platoons.

The Necron Player had 2 Stalkers, 1 Ghost Arch, Around 30 warriors, 2 Flying Crouissants, Deathmarks and 2 Necron Lords

How'd you handle the Wyvern? That thing really worries me when it comes to playing my orks.

I'll try this for my first game, since my opponent insists on running his tzeench daemons:

Combined Arms Detachment 1:
Warboss, PK, BP, 'eavy armor, Da Lukky Stikk 114
Painboy, BP, Grot Orderly 60
14 Tankbustaz, Nob, BP 197
19 Boyz, Nob, BP 129
20 Boyz, Nob, BP, PK 160
Blitza Bommer 135
Blitza Bommer 135

Combined Arms Detachment 2:
Painboy, BP 55
Painboy, BP 55
19 Boyz, Nob, BP, PK 154
19 Boyz, Nob, BP, PK 154

BW Formation from Waagh! Ghazghkull 650
5x Battlewagon, Ram, Boarding Planks

Total 1998

To make live harder for my opponent, I'm going to make all five battlewagons equally threattening. One has the warboss and a unit of boyz, two have boyz with FNP, one has just a regular unit of boyz (first one of the column), and one has tankbustaz with a painboy. Blitza bommers are there for two reasons: First, I'm hoping that they can take out the soulgrinders that have given me troubble in the past, second, I really want to see if they are viable now.

Played a game yesterday against Crimson Fists led by Pedro:

Warboss
Bike, PK, BP Lucky Stikkz

Pain Boy
Bike

Weird Boy ML2
(got Ead Banger and the S10 Ap2 Beam Power)

5 Nob Bikerz
2 PK
2 BC

3 Manz
1 BP
Trukk boarding plank

30 Boyz
Nob PK BP

30 Ard Boyz
Nob PK BP


15 Lootaz
BW Grot Riggerz

10 Flash Gitz
BW Grot Riggerz

He had:
Pedro
5 Honor Guard with a mix of Power Mauls, Relic Blade and Power Axe

4 Units of 9 tactical Marines in Rhions, 2 flamer 2 plasma

5 Las Cannon Devastators

3 Grav Centurions

2x Storm Talons and 1x Storm Raven in that formation that gives them Strafing Run

ADL


The Nob Bikers were excellent, better even than in 6th using the old dex. They were basically Turbo-boosting onto objectives while simultaneously moving into the back lines to get into charge range. 3+ cover on them was great, and I didn't miss the 5++ at all (and didn't mind the price reduction for not taking Cyborks)

Manz did a great job too, the boarding ramp made all the difference to them charging into cover. Having a squad leader and being able to take boss poles was great too. They failed one leadership test and took 2 S4 hits, one wounded and I made the save.

The changes to challenges make Nobz in the Boyz mobs really worth while, they did a lot of damage every turn.

New Waaagh was also great, the Boyz got into combat no problem on foot.

Ard Boyz were worth it, I don't know that I'd always run 30 of them but they really hung around all game and shrugged off a lot of bolter fire and flamer hits.

The Weirdboy... I feel like he's a powderkeg. there's some real potential there, but he didn't manage to do much other than strip a few hull points off some rhinos. Psychic powers are just tough to get off without rolling a double. In a more competitive game I'd drop him for a Big Mek or a 2nd Painboy, but I will keep trying to run him just to see if he will live up to his potential.

Speaking of Painboy, great unit, same price as he used to be, but now more survivable with the IC special rules, made a bunch of Look Out Sirs on him that were pretty crucial.

I didn't feel disappointed by anything overall. The changes to the game gave them a boost overall, especially the ubiquitous cover saves, that kept my lads alive against the initial onslaught of shooting.

 Hoitash wrote:
How'd you handle the Wyvern? That thing really worries me when it comes to playing my orks.

If I failed a charge that thing made me pay. It probably killed 15 to 20 boys in all. Wyverns are solid at clearing objectives for IG in general. Against boyz theu are phenomenal lol

Stashgordon36 wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
How'd you handle the Wyvern? That thing really worries me when it comes to playing my orks.

If I failed a charge that thing made me pay. It probably killed 15 to 20 boys in all. Wyverns are solid at clearing objectives for IG in general. Against boyz theu are phenomenal lol

Charge or have the snotlings beaten out of you. Sounds like a proper ork strategy .

Any helpful tips for facing IG in general?

I played a game verse my friends white scars all bikes scout first turn build. I played 3 warbosses, 1 painboy, 14 warbikes, 2 BW's that had 4 MegaNobz (all with Kill saws), and 5 outflanking big shoota buggies.

I lost that game, but mainly because I was told (not by my friend) that you couldn't charge at all turn 1. If it wasn't for that my warbikker mob would have killed his bikes turn one, and my mega nobz would have eaten what was left.

It's hard to state how I feel about the game because of me not charging turn 1. I felt out classed the entire game, except in CC, where we excel.

Get first turn lol. But besides that Ive had a lot of success vs IG using flamer units and PKs. Get close then cook n krump. If you bring even our best guns youre still going to get out shot. Might as well go for close quarters combat, its what we are good at. Plus at close range those Russ pie plates always seem to gravitate to their own troops.

Stashgordon36 wrote:
Get first turn lol. But besides that Ive had a lot of success vs IG using flamer units and PKs. Get close then cook n krump. If you bring even our best guns youre still going to get out shot. Might as well go for close quarters combat, its what we are good at. Plus at close range those Russ pie plates always seem to gravitate to their own troops.

funny you mention "get first turn". everytime I've played my friend, I've won first turn, but he's managed to steal the iniative... EVERY SINGLE TIME SO FAR.... uggghhh

Stashgordon36 wrote:
Get first turn lol. But besides that Ive had a lot of success vs IG using flamer units and PKs. Get close then cook n krump. If you bring even our best guns youre still going to get out shot. Might as well go for close quarters combat, its what we are good at. Plus at close range those Russ pie plates always seem to gravitate to their own troops.

I was curious how Burnas would fair now that Lootas aren't auto Elite Slot-users.

Turn their own weapons against them? How very Blood Axe of you.

I love it

I'm actually really excited about the new dreadmob formation here, but I dunno if I should actually get the Supplement too for just that one formation...

Do I actually need the Supplement, or can I just go with what you wrote of it Jidmah?

 big mek crazygit wrote:
I'm actually really excited about the new dreadmob formation here, but I dunno if I should actually get the Supplement too for just that one formation...

Do I actually need the Supplement, or can I just go with what you wrote of it Jidmah?

I think the new supplement has 7 formations. But i'm prerty sure you can get the dredd mob for free of forgeworld.

burnas with the pts decrease are great now too...

Im having much more trouble deciding what elite units I want to take then HS...

which says something awesome about this codex when litereally, EVERY SINGLE SLOT is full of units that I want to take...

the only slot where there isnt much thinking is troops... and only because I can take 9+ (even with most tournament 1+1 detachment rules) troops so I wont be short on boyz or grots.


manz are just going to wreck face...


I will likely max out on 3 man manz squads, artillary+ warboss/mek in MA, and use the BW's from the manz for my 20 strong mob of boys, and the trukks from theboyz for my mans.

rest of pts probably in bikes/stormboys to taste.

my opponent will have a fun time deciding what to kill, provided he has the luxury of first turn... otherwise hes prety much SOL

"hmmm... do i kill the MAN's in their trukk who will walk through my army, those BW's full of boyz that can walk through my army, the bikers, or wast pts shooting at grot artillary thats shooting my army up."


no real obvious choice there for target priortiy, easy to overwhelm the enemy simply because everything I take is in combat turn 2 (or 1!!) and everything can conceivably hurt anything... even the boyz with a mere PK nob can hurt lots of stuff.

burnas with points decrease? is that the suppliment thing? they actually went UP a point in the new codex vs old codex

So is there anything ruelswise beyond the 7 new formation in the Second Codex ?

I rescind my previous statement of saying a Lucky Stikk Mega-Tellyporta Big Mek would be best with Flash Gitz. After reviewing the codex again I have to say Tankbustas would be waaaaayyy better. S8 compliments both the Mek's S8 weapons, and they can threaten anything with their weapons. Not to mention this unit could easily take on a Knight and win (especially with the +1 WS). Tankbustas are the best we got for fighting Knights, and a rerolling 2+ save could tank pretty much every wound from the annoying double battlecannon shots.

Even though Flash Gitz saw a huge buff I still don't think they're useful. S5 is just that lame strength that is barely enough to hurt MEQs and not enough to hurt vehicles. If they were S6 they maybe would be useful but a 6+ save hurts too much.


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Also I don't have the rulebook but does slow and purposeful now say anything about counting as stationary? I'm wondering if gitfinda would always work with a slow and purposeful model but I'm inclined to say no.

i personally dont think flash gitz got buffed. they got what they needed - a price cut, a more reliable gun - but in the process lost their ignores cover and their armor. Thats pretty huge imo. Even if theyre nobz, big deal T4 models are easy to paste. They got a side-buff, making them easier to field but significantly less threatening and easier to clean off.

Mek Gunz will cause just as much if not more damage for not even half the cost, and further away.

Have to admit i like the tellyporta tankbusta idea. I outta try that.

 felixcat wrote:

Looking through the thread, I think we need to just max out the better units. If I was building a list I would start with this:
zagstruk ( cheap and great warlord trait )
2 painboy bikers ( for warbikerz mobs)
2x 3 meganobs in BWs (cover those advancing bikes)
troops (undecided)
2x 15 waerbikerz, nob klaw
3x2 mek guns (undecided on mix)
I'm sure this would be a good basis for a 1850 list. Just need someone to flesh it out properly.

The list I built is similar to yours:

KFF on Gazbags Bike
Painboss on Bike
Warbles with Lucky Stikk on Bike
All go with 1 of two full size mob of Bikerz. The second mob is there for when the first takes 10+ casualties. Switch out the 3 HQ's to a fresh Mob of 15 and the remainder of the first mob becomes a harassment/distraction/backfield objective taker.

Moving up the field with them is 6 Killsaw MegaNobz with Grotsnik in a BW with RR and 4 Rokkits and a Zzap gun. Move 12" and stay with the KFF Mek on bike. Multi-assault everything possible on the second turn while bikes provides covering fire. No problem if you lose a Str and attack to disorganized assault, killsaws are Armorblam! and the Doc's Rampage rule guarantees you that attack back and most likely at least one more.

Max out the 4 remaining slots with Single Rokkit DeffKoptas: immune to Ld tests, fast, 2 wounds, Jink, powerful weapons. We play the new missions with the contanstly changing objectives so speed is king, esp when all you have to do sometimes is Turbo-boost 3 units!

4 min squads of Grots, maybe in bastions with some inside and some on top firing a Quad gun.

And some mix big guns. I already have the old kind and they got cheaper so why not?

Finally, got to go with the Stompa and if they won't let me use it, it'll be a Gorkanut or Morkanut. No way I'm buying another $100 point model this year!

 herpguy wrote:
I rescind my previous statement of saying a Lucky Stikk Mega-Tellyporta Big Mek would be best with Flash Gitz. After reviewing the codex again I have to say Tankbustas would be waaaaayyy better. S8 compliments both the Mek's S8 weapons, and they can threaten anything with their weapons. Not to mention this unit could easily take on a Knight and win (especially with the +1 WS). Tankbustas are the best we got for fighting Knights, and a rerolling 2+ save could tank pretty much every wound from the annoying double battlecannon shots.

Even though Flash Gitz saw a huge buff I still don't think they're useful. S5 is just that lame strength that is barely enough to hurt MEQs and not enough to hurt vehicles. If they were S6 they maybe would be useful but a 6+ save hurts too much.


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Also I don't have the rulebook but does slow and purposeful now say anything about counting as stationary? I'm wondering if gitfinda would always work with a slow and purposeful model but I'm inclined to say no.

Im pretty sure mega armor lost slow and purposeful

With the change to Painboyz I'm considering dropping my Nob Bikers and taking a WB, Painboy and normal Warbikez with a PK nob.

You get more ablative wounds for considerably less points (2 normal biker bieng 9 points cheaper than a Nob Biker) and you get a discount Nob Biker in the unit to boot (53 points with a PK vs 70 for one in a Nobz Mob).

You loose a bit of close combat punch, but realistically you just want to win that first round of combat by a slim margin and remain locked rather than just bowl through the enemy and be caught in shooting the next turn.

Mega Armour still gratns Slow and Purposeful, its right on the entry for Mega Armour.

S&P only means you count as staying stationary for certain weapons (Heavy, Salvo and Ordnance I believe) so using it with a gitfinda has limit use as most HQs (I.E. Things that can get gitfindas), can't get heavy weapons and Mega Armour.

I played this list against Fire Prism/Wave Serpent Eldar today. These are just my first impressions from my first game.

Like always, Powerklaws ruled the day.
Battlewagons are still awesome, especially with an embarked Mek and It Will Not Die.
Boarding Planks and 'Ere We Go ensured successful assaults every time.
Stikkbomz were an unexpected boon to glance a skimmer to death after charging into terrain but before my PK could blow the thing up in my face.
Painboys were a great force multiplier.
MegaArmour and Trukk did not do well against Eldar shooting.
Tankbustas were OK. Not enough shots at BS2 to consistently threaten jinking skimmers.
Even twin-linked, BS2 Rokkitkoptas had worse shooting than I remember from 5th.

I will try to finish the batrep this week.

Pipealley....a unit of MANz toting SIX killsaws? Geez the point sink is strong with that.
I dont see any point to adding more than 1 per 3 MANz. Any vehicle even land raiders are made short work from 2-3 PK Nobz, the lone killsaw is just to guarantee the last bit finally dies. Theys expensive to just add an entire unit worth.

Probably the biggest thing im stoked for when it comes to wagon lists is the addition of Meks in any unit wielding a killsaw. Yeah, hes S7 on the charge since hes a boy so he wont paste any T4 models with an armor save, but he'll still pen their armor and wreck vehicles. Additional powerklaw in a unit of boyz without requiring an HQ is just sexy soundin. Even if its a tad more expensive (45pts for a Boy vs the 46/50 for a Nob without/with 'Ard Armor)
Armorbane makes up for the -2 strength on the charge vs a Nob, so he'll still wreck vehicles. This is why i always viewed Koptas with Buzzsaws to be a total waste of points - S7 isnt going to kill anything we cant kill with just weight of fire anyway. The additional D6 pen is just what was needed...too bad koptas didnt get Killsaws >.<

Securing Tactical Objectives seems to be the thing that everyone is overlooking when they talk about this dex. The thing I noticed is that the book has a lot of options for mobile assault at all 3 ranges (close, medium, long) in every section (HQ down through HS).

I won my first game pound for pound on points, and that was very early on when I only killed 2 units, but grabbed several objectives, successfully cast psychic powers etc. As I started to bully up on my opponent and go for the throat I found myself not scoring as much while he was still focusing on scoring and the game ended up very close (15 to 11).

Most competitive play is moving towards Malestrom missions and I think this book shines on those.

 felixcat wrote:

Looking through the thread, I think we need to just max out the better units. If I was building a list I would start with this:
zagstruk ( cheap and great warlord trait )
2 painboy bikers ( for warbikerz mobs)
2x 3 meganobs in BWs (cover those advancing bikes)
troops (undecided)
2x 15 waerbikerz, nob klaw
3x2 mek guns (undecided on mix)
I'm sure this would be a good basis for a 1850 list. Just need someone to flesh it out properly.

I have been toying with this 2000 pts. list, which seems to be following your line of thought, though no Meganobz in a Battlewagon:

HQ -

1 Painboy + Warbike = 75 pts.
1 Painboy + Warbike = 75 pts.

1 Mek + Killsaw = 45 pts.
1 Mek + Killsaw = 45 pts.

Troops -

29 Ork Boyz
1 Ork Boyz Nob + Bosspole, Power Klaw = 220 pts.
29 Ork Boyz
1 Ork Boyz Nob + Bosspole, Power Klaw = 220 pts.
29 Ork Boyz
1 Ork Boyz Nob + Bosspole, Power Klaw = 220 pts.

Fast Attack -

14 Warbikers
1 Warbikers Nob + Bosspole, Power Klaw = 310 pts.
14 Warbikers
1 Warbikers Nob + Bosspole, Power Klaw = 310 pts.

Heavy Support -

5 Kustom Mega-Kannons = 150 pts.
5 Kustom Mega-Kannons = 150 pts.
5 Kustom Mega-Kannons = 150 pts.

Total Army = 1970 pts.

The only things that make me unsure are the lack of any saves beyond their t-shirt for the Ork Boyz and the lack of a Warboss for Waaagh!. As far as the Ork Boyz and their t-shirt saves, I hope the Warbikers with the Painboys would absorb enough dakka to give the Ork Boyz a break.

I feel like I should put this in the army lists section, but since we're kind of brainstorming ideas...

In the interest of trying to make the codex work I'm trying more radical ideas. The troops sections is the only place I'm really struggling to make work. I'm almost at the point were I want to just by 2 units of grots and hide them or *gasp* unbound and skip troops entirely.

Eavy armour boys in trukks, yes/no?

I'm wondering if the extra cost is worth it to offset the losses from exploding trukks and having to take wounds from mob rule.

Not having a WAAAAGH! isnt the end of the world though. Its a round of shooting you give up, which then again for slugga boyz big deal, for a possible ~3" movement into a charge.
Sure its useful but its not going to be the win-or-lose decider most of the time (famous last words?)

Played a game today against chaos space marine with the list below:


Formation: BW (w/scout): Meganob (+1ws, fear, fearless)
Painboy 50
Painboy 50
Big Mek: Warbike; Mega Kustom Force Field 135

5 Meganobz: Battlewagon (Reinforced Ram; Big Shoota; Rokkit Launcher); killsaws. 335
5 Meganobz: Battlewagon (Reinforced Ram; Big Shoota; Rokkit Launcher); killsaws. 335
5 Meganobz: Battlewagon (Reinforced Ram; Big Shoota; Rokkit Launcher); killsaws. 335

20 Boyz: Nob (Power Klaw; Boss Pole). 160
20 Boyz: Nob (Power Klaw; Boss Pole). 160
10 Gretchin: Runtherd. 35

Battlewagon: 2× Rokkit Launcha; Reinforced Ram. 125
Battlewagon: 2× Rokkit Launcha; Reinforced Ram. 125

1,845 points

My opponent brought 2 units of 5 chaos spawn, 2 units of space marine in rhinos, 1 deep striking unit of 5 terminators, 1 unit of guardsmen equivalent stationed with an ADL Quad gun, 1 sorcerer, 1 Superheavy (looked like a scorpian). Game ended in tie.

Highlights:
* Armourbane, MegaNobz were amazing at taking out Superheavy.
*Mega Nobz were good at taking out chaos spawn
*scouting BWs are a good delivery system


Lowlights:
*chaos terminators were cheaper, and much "better" than MegaNobz. I honestly don't know why our MegaNobz, which are a really pathetic version of terminators cost as much as terminators, or in this case cost more than chaos terminators. Deep striking terminators came in and nearly destroyed one unit of MegaNobz with Kombi-melta shooting. Then destroyed another unit with all the powerfist attacks. I had an argument with my opponent about how overpriced MegaNobz are because they always require a transport.
*psychic phase is really painful without having a psyker. Going to try and work in a weirdboy to some lists.
*without deff rollas, BW's seem too expensive. As I stated above I'm already angry that MegaNobz MUST have a delivery system, which should have been reflected in their price, but once your MANz are delivered, my BW's had nothing to do... They are such a point sink now it just seems like it's a waste to have them on the board.
*boys unit was outclassed by everything on the board. I'm really struggling to understand why Boyz didn't get a point reduction. The only unit on the board that my Boyz with PK Nob would have been able to go up against was the guardsmen that manned the Quad gun, and the rhinos.


Honestly this game upset me. I couldn't help but feel my Orks were out classed all the way. From chaos spawn/chaos space marines being more than my Boyz could handle, to their terminators being heads and tails better than mine to 500+ points of BWs doing pretty much nothing. This will probably be the last time I field mass MegaNobz because it takes to many points to make them good, especially if other armies can do it better for cheaper. With the nerf to deffrollas, and the point increase to BW's it's hard to justify bringing it in lists. Also i spent the entire game wishing I had a biker unit w/ Warboss, or Lootas, or Mek Gunz.

um, isnt the formation with scouting battlewagons requiring 5 of them?
and why do you have 3 Da Lucky Stikks?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
um, isnt the formation with scouting battlewagons requiring 5 of them?
and why do you have 3 Da Lucky Stikks?

There are 5 Battlewagons. And the big Mek with 3 lucky sticks is to represent the point cost of the Mega KFF from the Ghazzy supplement (it's not in the program I was using). I'll update my post.

All in all, I'm really disappointed with the new codex.
All the units I use and love (boyz, kans, wagons) are all more expensive and inferior in some way or another (and they weren't terribly competitive to begin with). Meanwhile, units i never really liked are now cheaper but still not particularly impressive.

Losing all forms of CC invuln saves is also a pretty hefty piss off. Now I have sad face... =(

Haven't had a chance to play yet (thursday is when GW store stays open late), but from reading of the battle reports i've seen promising things With the maelstrom missions it seems less about simply attempting to cross a board while a line of riptides blast you to kingdom come. with orks providing target saturation in almost any list you build it seems the ability to secure more objectives is greatly helping. Ive seen a few batreps where mob rule has been a total pain in the ass, but others where it hasn't. I think 'ard boys will go along way this dex. the saves simply add that chance we need with mob rule, flamers into vehicles and overwatch.

Theres a nice batrep about a grot force vs a imperial knight list and it sounded hilarious in that the grots could do nothing about the knights, yet every turn were simply pumping out the objective VP's.

Quick clarification? Can i take two formations? Ive read through my suppliment, but not sure it states in there. Guess it would be in the BRB right? If so, dred formation with teleporta formation and loads of grots here i come! DSing grots into the middle of there army as 14 walkers tear up the battlefield

EDIT: Hmm now im more konfuzed :S The 'Great Waaagh detachment' means I use those specific rules, I then pick a formation and the detachment rules still apply by the sounds of it, as the formation is a setup within the W!G. If so then fantastic

 big mek crazygit wrote:
I'm actually really excited about the new dreadmob formation here, but I dunno if I should actually get the Supplement too for just that one formation...

Do I actually need the Supplement, or can I just go with what you wrote of it Jidmah?

You'll probably need the supplement as I don't have the supplement yet and am going from what I read on the forums. Also note that I don't provide enough rules for people to play without the codex on purpose, as that would violate dakkadakka's rules. The purpose of the first post is to serve as a quick reminder for people who don't have their codex present, as an overview for people who don't have the codex yet and as a summary of changes for veterans who are returning from hiatus.

Personally I feel that I'll be using the supplement a lot (I own 5 battlewagons, after all), so I'm going to buy it when it becomes available on its own, and update the first post. GW does a lot of stupid things, but I think they still should be rewarded when doing nice things. Since the supplement is probably one of the most useful yet, rewarding them for it feels right. My personal opinion though, YMMV.


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Solar Shock wrote:
Hmm now im more konfuzed :S The 'Great Waaagh detachment' means I use those specific rules, I then pick a formation and the detachment rules still apply by the sounds of it, as the formation is a setup within the W!G. If so then fantastic

No, the Formation is not part of a detachment. Formations are fielded as detachments on their own, so you don't get to use Snikrots Kommando formation as part of "The Great Waaagh!" but rather in addition to it.

I agree, I think the supplement is done really well. The relics are a little lackluster compared to some of the really cool ones in the standard dex. But the formations simply allow you to field those more interesting forces. Who hasn't dreamed of a all stormboy list? or multiple kommandoz. i really like it and like jidmah think il be using it alot.

You need to correct what you have about the Choppa of Da Ragnarork. It's +1 S and -1AP for any casualties caused in any Assault phase, cumulatively capping out at +6 S and AP1 with the effect lasting the entire game.

The "Biggest an' da Best" rule as well makes it so that if your Warlord kills an enemy character in a challenge he gets to reroll all failed To Wounds for the rest of the game.

Then I guess I'll save up money for the supplement then.

 big mek crazygit wrote:
Then I guess I'll save up money for the supplement then.

Not necessary unless you want to have the formations or Altar of War/Echoes of War missions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 big mek crazygit wrote:
Then I guess I'll save up money for the supplement then.

Not necessary unless you want to have the formations or Altar of War/Echoes of War missions.

The Formations are pretty much why I save up money for the book. :v

Then you will get your money's worth, especially if you already have big numbers of strange units.

I think infiltrating kommandoz into every ruin on the table and calmly explaining how they've got a 2+ rerollable cover save until their next turn is pretty much worth it

mrfantastical wrote:
Played a game today against chaos space marine with the list below:

Big Mek: Warbike; Mega Kustom Force Field 135

Just as an aside, If I'm reading this correctly, this is a Big Mek on a Bike with Mega Armor? - You can't do that, he can have the bike or the Mega Armor, not both.



How do people feel about a giant boys blob using lots of HQ's?

I though about a blob of 30 boyz with a PK nob, Warboss with Mega Armor and Lucky Stikk, Painboy, Mek in MA with KFF.

This gives you 90 str 4, ws 5 attacks (120 on the charge) + 12 PK attacks (15 on the charge). They have a 5++ and FNP.

Obvious issues are that they can't run, which really hurts, and the blob costs over 500 points, but I guess it would be hard for most armies to stop you controlling the centre with it?

You could even think about adding a weirdboy - if you took sanctic, you might be able to improve the invuln to 4+, or give them +2 str.

I'm not sure I'm convinced, but does anyone else think it's viable?

 Jidmah wrote:
I think infiltrating kommandoz into every ruin on the table and calmly explaining how they've got a 2+ rerollable cover save until their next turn is pretty much worth it

Boss Snikrot's Red Skull Kommandos formation does not work that way.

The "Sneaky Gitz" is the entire formation being held in Reserves, rolling once for every unit to arrive at the same time and they must all arrive from the same table edge. The rerollable cover save is also if the unit does not shoot.

"Strike from da Shadows" replaces Stealth with Shrouded on the turn they arrive from Reserves until the start of their next turn.


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 suramsor wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:
Played a game today against chaos space marine with the list below:

Big Mek: Warbike; Mega Kustom Force Field 135

Just as an aside, If I'm reading this correctly, this is a Big Mek on a Bike with Mega Armor? - You can't do that, he can have the bike or the Mega Armor, not both.

The Mega Force Field is an item from Waagh! Ghazghkull's "Orkimedes' Kustom Gubbinz" list(which you can ONLY pick from with the Waagh! Ghazghkull detachment/formations and you cannot mix and match except with separate detachments i.e. one from Codex: Orks and one from Waagh! Ghazghkull). The bearer and all models within 6" receive a 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks. If the bearer is embarked in a vehicle then the vehicle receives a 4+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks instead.

 suramsor wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:
Played a game today against chaos space marine with the list below:

Big Mek: Warbike; Mega Kustom Force Field 135

Just as an aside, If I'm reading this correctly, this is a Big Mek on a Bike with Mega Armor? - You can't do that, he can have the bike or the Mega Armor, not both.

This is a big mek on a bike with a KFF, not MA. the Mega kustom force field might be referring to the relic KFF in the suppliment, which is 4++.

How do people feel about a giant boys blob using lots of HQ's?

I though about a blob of 30 boyz with a PK nob, Warboss with Mega Armor and Lucky Stikk, Painboy, Mek in MA with KFF.

This gives you 90 str 4, ws 5 attacks (120 on the charge) + 12 PK attacks (15 on the charge). They have a 5++ and FNP.

Obvious issues are that they can't run, which really hurts, and the blob costs over 500 points, but I guess it would be hard for most armies to stop you controlling the centre with it?

You could even think about adding a weirdboy - if you took sanctic, you might be able to improve the invuln to 4+, or give them +2 str.

I'm not sure I'm convinced, but does anyone else think it's viable?

Im actually thinking the other way. Multiple smaller blobs with lots of HQ's. So keep some HQ's pretty cheap and barebones, then a few with MA and relics etc. Going off giving the enemy a high saturation of pretty killy units. they may not be the ultimate deathstar and able to smash dedicated assult units, but should be all round able to handle anything with good chances.

I think with your large blob you'd have trouble with actually assaulting stuff. you'd never actually get them all into assault and you'd simply have a big group of boys tagging along but not being very useful. They would be extremely tough il give you that. a KFF, FNP and a 2+ with re-rolls would be one tough nut to crack. You should look at the Ghazzy formation?

Ghazzy

mad dok

2 warbosses

big mek

unit of nobz

This could be equally as deadly as your idea, but with a lower model count so that most will still make it into combat. Could be very deadly for controlling the middle of the board in terms of there not being much that could stop it

Or the greentide formation? Which is like 3x 30 boys all count as 1 blob. so 90 boys. If you spaced those nicely you could cover the entire middle of the board and deny objectives simply with the fact that its not possible to get there?

Green Tide formation is 1 Warboss and 10 Mobs of Boyz. The Warboss can use the Waagh! special rule each and every turn after the first provided he is your Warlord and no vehicles at all can be in the formation. So no Trukks for the Boyz and no Warbike for the Warboss.

Bear in mind that is a "Waagh! Ghazghkull"(henceforth referred to as W!G) formation.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I think infiltrating kommandoz into every ruin on the table and calmly explaining how they've got a 2+ rerollable cover save until their next turn is pretty much worth it

Boss Snikrot's Red Skull Kommandos formation does not work that way.

The "Sneaky Gitz" is the entire formation being held in Reserves, rolling once for every unit to arrive at the same time and they must all arrive from the same table edge. The rerollable cover save is also if the unit does not shoot.

"Strike from da Shadows" replaces Stealth with Shrouded on the turn they arrive from Reserves until the start of their next turn.

Since all they've got is sluggas and maybe burnaz, not shooting isn't that bad if it means they will most likely still be there to charge. Ruins are 4+ cover, so shrouded alone is enough to make them 2+. I wasn't aware that the formation had to start in reserves though. Bummer.
Still, you could have sixty boyz with nobz arrive in the middle of the enemy army with high resilience to shooting, or you could just enter with four minimal units with burnaz and have yourself a barbecue.

Again:
You only get Shrouded on the turn the Kommandos arrive.
It's basically just Snikrot's special rule applied to all 4 Kommando Mobs instead of the unit he joined.

Also you need to have Snikrot in the formation.

Did I imply anything else?

The turn after that, I plan to have those kommandoz stuck in combat, so reverting back to stealth isn't an issue. Point being, that they don't get shot dead before they can charge, one of the major downsides of kommandoz in the old codex.

Snikrot isn't a bad deal with his six S6 shredding attacks on the charge, plus his IC status allows you to LOS! wounds off him on a 2+. And who knows, your opponent might accidentally fails his fear check and kill a lot less kommandoz during the fight.

Just making sure.

Also you still need to fix the Choppa of da Ragnarork. It's cumulative and lasts for the entire game, capping out at +6 Strength and AP 1.

Yeah, I knew that. I clarified the choppa entry, is better now?
Keep in mind that I don't want to have the exact game rules in the first post though.

Just checking, the Snikrot formation has to start in reserves? It cannot start the game on the board or infiltrate?

Yup that works.

And yes, the Red Skull Kommandos have to start in reserve.

When taking turns deploying terrain make sure to stick a nice big fat set of ruins on the table edge behind his gunline then put all your objectives in it, arrive turn 2 and hold that fort!

My initial thoughts on the new dex:

I just got my new Codex yesterday and I was about to throw it into the shredder when I couldn't find my beloved Lootas at first. But then I found them under HS instead of Elites. I love the fact that you can take Trukks as dedicated transport with pretty much anyone now.

I'm actually disappointed that Ramshackle got changed. I thought that the old rule/table was a lot of fun. However, I think that the new RS rule will give them better survivability than the One Turn Wonders that they used to be.

We get to take more characters as independent choices now!? WHHHAAAAT!? Awesome!

They got rid of Wazdakka Gutzmek and Old Zog... Now I got to redo the models I'd kitbashed for those two. Well, maybe just Wazdakka. I can use my Zog as a Wierdboy.

Cybork just gives FNP now?

Eavy Armour can be taken on multiple mobs of boyz now, nice! However, you STILL can't take them on Lootas, or Flash Gitz? I'm glad that Deffgunz haven't changed. I'm on the fence about the Snazzgunz however.

Solar Shock wrote:
When taking turns deploying terrain make sure to stick a nice big fat set of ruins on the table edge behind his gunline then put all your objectives in it, arrive turn 2 and hold that fort!

That rule has luckily been filled with all sorts of explosives and a single grot has been told to absolutely not touch the red button that was installed in front of it

So no more tactical deployment of terrain, just fill a table with stuff, place objectives, then chose table sides and deploy. The order is important here.

I have the digital edition of the codex. I am really confused by the stompa.

Its a walker vehicle but its stat line reads like a biological. Toughness stat, Wounds stat, Leadership, save stat.

please explain how I use the stompa.

For clarification

It says the stompa has Toughness (13), Wounds (13), Leadership (4) and a save of (12)

What does save (12) even mean?
I guess 13 wounds means 13 HP?
why do I have leadership on a vehicle
why does it have a T value rather than an AV?

ok after reading through a lot of peoples comments a few thoughts on the direction of ork playstyle:

1) We have to play Malestrom games: seems like our book lacks the punch, & surviveability to play straight up attrition games of 40K. However we can win on points.

2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

3) Speed Freaks still work sort of. Basically MSU fast bikes, deffkoptas. Put a bunch of small fast units on the board, and do the same as above, "Get to the objectives, and survive". This type of playstyle ads the benefit of constently turboboosting from objective to objective to get that 3+ cover, and just survive.

I welcome any thoughts on this.

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Trust me, this type of playstyle doesn't sound fun to me, but that's my take away from some of feedback I've read.

 keltikhoa wrote:
I have the digital edition of the codex. I am really confused by the stompa.

Its a walker vehicle but its stat line reads like a biological. Toughness stat, Wounds stat, Leadership, save stat.

please explain how I use the stompa.

For clarification

It says the stompa has Toughness (13), Wounds (13), Leadership (4) and a save of (12)

What does save (12) even mean?
I guess 13 wounds means 13 HP?
why do I have leadership on a vehicle
why does it have a T value rather than an AV?

They've pasted the stompa numbers into the wrong template. S/T/W should be AV Front,Side and Rear, Save should be HP.

Ok thank you Jidmah. I should have seen that. lol now that I am looking at the values correctly I almost want to go back to trying to play it as a T-13 model

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Dont worry, its plenty killy if you take the green tide formation, give that warboss da big bosspole, add a painboy and a few nobs and another warboss or big mek from codex orks with the lukk stikk for a 100+ mob of fearless fnp WS5 boys.

 Billagio wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Dont worry, its plenty killy if you take the green tide formation, give that warboss da big bosspole, add a painboy and a few nobs and another warboss or big mek from codex orks with the lukk stikk for a 100+ mob of fearless fnp WS5 boys.

can you ally with the ork codex in order to use their relics?

Solar Shock wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Dont worry, its plenty killy if you take the green tide formation, give that warboss da big bosspole, add a painboy and a few nobs and another warboss or big mek from codex orks with the lukk stikk for a 100+ mob of fearless fnp WS5 boys.

can you ally with the ork codex in order to use their relics?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, as indicated in the 7th edition allies matrix

you can not ally with the same book, but you can take more than one detachment from the same faction so yes you would be able to bring a detachment from each book.
but which do you choose as your primary for warlord trait?

 nflagey wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Dont worry, its plenty killy if you take the green tide formation, give that warboss da big bosspole, add a painboy and a few nobs and another warboss or big mek from codex orks with the lukk stikk for a 100+ mob of fearless fnp WS5 boys.

can you ally with the ork codex in order to use their relics?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, as indicated in the 7th edition allies matrix

I think you can just take a CAD from the ork codex if you want.

 Billagio wrote:

 nflagey wrote:

Solar Shock wrote:

 Billagio wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:


2) Greentide still works, but not they way you think. We can put a lot of cheap bodies on the board that can cover opjectives. Opponents will have a hard time digging through all those models especially if we dig into cover. No longer do we try to get up the board to try and wade through a hail of gun fire to kill your opponent, just get to objective, and survive.

How... fun?

Dont worry, its plenty killy if you take the green tide formation, give that warboss da big bosspole, add a painboy and a few nobs and another warboss or big mek from codex orks with the lukk stikk for a 100+ mob of fearless fnp WS5 boys.

can you ally with the ork codex in order to use their relics?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, as indicated in the 7th edition allies matrix

I think you can just take a CAD from the ork codex if you want.

oh yes, technically you can NOT take them as an allied detachment, but you can use multiple detachments from either books


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by the way, I just realise something that I don't understand: why can Orks ally with themselves?
I mean, you cannot have a Primary detachment of Orks with an Allied detachment of Orks, as per the BRB
and this is true for all the factions

 Jidmah wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I think infiltrating kommandoz into every ruin on the table and calmly explaining how they've got a 2+ rerollable cover save until their next turn is pretty much worth it

Boss Snikrot's Red Skull Kommandos formation does not work that way.

The "Sneaky Gitz" is the entire formation being held in Reserves, rolling once for every unit to arrive at the same time and they must all arrive from the same table edge. The rerollable cover save is also if the unit does not shoot.

"Strike from da Shadows" replaces Stealth with Shrouded on the turn they arrive from Reserves until the start of their next turn.

Since all they've got is sluggas and maybe burnaz, not shooting isn't that bad if it means they will most likely still be there to charge. Ruins are 4+ cover, so shrouded alone is enough to make them 2+. I wasn't aware that the formation had to start in reserves though. Bummer.
Still, you could have sixty boyz with nobz arrive in the middle of the enemy army with high resilience to shooting, or you could just enter with four minimal units with burnaz and have yourself a barbecue.

I'm planning on running the same thing once I get all the kommandos for it. I'll use the great Waaagh detachment for some deep striking boys as well. With 8 trukk boys you should end up with 2 mobs of boys deep striking and at least 1 trukk taking his boys along for the ride. Then as you roll before deployment, have all trukks with 11 boys, then after you know what trukk has deep strike, you can put a HQ's in that one.

It should make for lots of good ol fashioned orky goodness

Every race was listed as battle brothers with themselves last edition too, but a paragraph said they couldnt anyway. It was just completing the chart. I dont think they can ally with themselves outside a suppliment, like the other races. However, why would you anyway when you can just take 2 CADs for more of everything for a mere 1 troop cost more than the allied detachment (face it we need all the HQs we can get, +1 isnt that much but +2 is nice)

Played around with the Weirdboy today. Have to admit, hes kinda scary atm. His only downfall is lack of any defense (he really should have some waaaagh-born invuln save even something dinky like a 6++ lol) but hes nasty if used properly. I put him in an 18man 'Ard Boyz unit and a random Mek in a battlewagon. Once he got out of the battlewagon he started causing all kinds of damage, especially since i rolled both Da Krunch and Killbolt lol. Made short work of a LAND RAIDER on his own rofl. Granted i caused 2 S10 attacks from Da Krunch and another from Killbeam at AP1, but that was quite impressive even if it was a bit of luck.
Incidentally even Frazzle is kinda nasty, and its a WP1 Primaris power, so i get that for free.
Using a Nob and a random Mek or two you can have things eat the challenge as well, since hes S6/7 in combat with an AP4 weapon (instant death if you activate it) so you DONT want him in a challenge.

Really curious what optimum list would be good for him. Randomly bringing him kinda hurts since thats 1 less Painboy, Big Mek, or Warboss. Wagon was useful since he has short ranged spells, but as the issue with all psykers he cant do anything but Witchfire from within (why i have no idea but hes disallowed from OTHER shooting spells). Might toy around with a foot list.

Did you upgrade the weird boy to level 2?

I added a weird boy to my army this week. I was really hoping he was going to draw the teleport ability. I ended up with the beam. Which I found not very useful. As stated before he has to be out of the vehicle to use it which makes him an easy target. When your opponent draws the kill a psyker card you will be hating life. On the other hand if you get teleport then life is good.

ML2 is kinda must-take. 25pts for a 2nd power outside the primaris. And another WP.

So with the stompa being in the codex, does that make the kustom one from IA8 outdated as a LoW in reg 40k? The kustom one is so much better than the codex one :/ What does everyone else think?

I would imagine yes, since LoW is just a super heavy slot which the Stompa iirc is the only super heavy that is actually IN the codex.

Stompa being in the Codex just helps people like me that dont have IA8 lol. The stock form of it isnt bad at all. I think i would do some repairing shenanigans if i used it though (7 Lootas, 3 of which are Meks other 4 shooting from its access points. Add in Big Mek with Fixeruppers and 3 Normal Meks. Grot riggers. Thats 7 5+ repairs and a 3+ repair on a model that cannot die instantly and has 12hp lol)

I'm confused. So you think the IA8 one is outdated?

Well since IA8 is technically 2 editions old the entire thing is out of date and you need to rely on various FAQs and entries in other FW books to work out how to use the stuff in it.

Without houseruling you're gak our of luck if you're wanting to field anything from IA8 with the 7th edition codex.

Pretty much what he said.

If youre using weapons that only exist in the IA8 then theyre probably as written, unless a FAQ/Errata changed that for some reason (possible, unlikely).
Using weapons that are listed in official and newer GW books (the apoc book, or ork codex in this situation) you will need to verify if it changed.

I wasnt that familiar with the stompa pre-Apoc book that came out a year-ish ago so im not that sure what changed, but i heard it changed quite a bit.

 Billagio wrote:
So with the stompa being in the codex, does that make the kustom one from IA8 outdated as a LoW in reg 40k? The kustom one is so much better than the codex one :/ What does everyone else think?

Actually it's not better. Some of the stompa's weapons have gotten some pretty nasty upgrades, the supa-gatler can no longer break on his first shot and has no limitations for picking additional targets, the Deff-Kannon can shoot whatever it feels like since it's no longer co-axial to the gatler and supa-rokkits have become large blasts instead of single shot weapons, turning the stompa into a ranged killing machine.
Technically you could still use the Kustom Stompa rules, but IMO it would be bad sportsmanship to use the updated(better) rules with the old point costs, but if you use the old weapon profiles, there should be no issue for your opponent.

Warboss idea:
Ghazghkull supplement. No restrictions on number of relics in that one.
Mega Armor Warboss. Axe of Ragnarork (use the claw until boosted). Fearless bosspole. 5+ fnp, EW. Since it's a relic, why not the 4++ force field for fun.

The KFF relic is Big Mek only.

Has anyone played with the Green Tide formation yet? Big Boss Pole, Grotsnik, and a bunch of power klaws and you could be in business. Mix in a few ard Boyz for sucking up wounds in cc possibly. A KFF might be nice, but it'd be hard to get good coverage while staying spread out.

Tazmork wrote:
Warboss idea:
Ghazghkull supplement. No restrictions on number of relics in that one.
Mega Armor Warboss. Axe of Ragnarork (use the claw until boosted). Fearless bosspole. 5+ fnp, EW. Since it's a relic, why not the 4++ force field for fun.

oooo good spot? But doesn't the ruling that they can only take one come from the fact that it says that in their actual unit entry? therefore even when using the suppliment its still only limited to 1?
No, I stand corrected:
you can indeed take multiple relics from the suppliment relic list. As the warboss entry states may use the list and the list does not limit.

Hmm liking this idea then,
Warboss on bike, Ragnarok, fearless bosspole, then just put him in a nob biker squad,
Hmm either painboy or the supa-cybork relic? shame, as EW would be nice, but the 5+ FNP is covered by a painboy at the same price and is then over the entire unit too. So il probably skip the cybork relic for a painboy (to keep the cost down a tad).

Yeh then just rack up some kills with the claw, if you keep the squad size down then with a reasonable sized target you should be able to stick it out and wipe them their turn, for +2 str -2AP. That could be an awesome setup so that once your into the meaty targets you can swing that big choppa with AP2 hopefully at initiative.

The only suckiest thing about this is...... that the relics from the suppliment are rather dull and there aren't many i see myself taking

Question ... which are better ... deffkoptas or warbuggies? The big advantage of rokkit buggies is that they are fearless. But deffkoptas can join assaults. Also 5 warbuggies (outflanking) are 125 whee as three koptas, 2 rokkits and a buzzsaw are 115. So?

 felixcat wrote:
Question ... which are better ... deffkoptas or warbuggies? The big advantage of rokkit buggies is that they are fearless. But deffkoptas can join assaults. Also 5 warbuggies (outflanking) are 125 whee as three koptas, 2 rokkits and a buzzsaw are 115. So?

For combi charging i like the deffkopta. Nothingbetter than a 30pt unit soaking up overwatch so your mob of boyz can get in untouched.

I run skorcha trakks as well. They are awesome for softening up the enemy. I haven't outflanked them yet.

If you prefer cc then i'd run deffkoptas. If you like shooty then go buggies.

Back to Weirdboyz for a second.

I think they could do a lot of nasty stuff.
I agree that with the New Psyker Phase you pretty much need at least one. Hence why orks get 3 HQ now.
My theory was to run 1 in a unit of 20 shoota boyz in the back sitting on Objectives. Maybe behind an Aegis Defense line
Take Daemonology Primas Power to summon daemons and just sit back and spawn Plague Bearers. The daemons could bubble wrap the orks and the objective.

thoughts on using the Weirdboy in this way?

 Jidmah wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
So with the stompa being in the codex, does that make the kustom one from IA8 outdated as a LoW in reg 40k? The kustom one is so much better than the codex one :/ What does everyone else think?

Actually it's not better. Some of the stompa's weapons have gotten some pretty nasty upgrades, the supa-gatler can no longer break on his first shot and has no limitations for picking additional targets, the Deff-Kannon can shoot whatever it feels like since it's no longer co-axial to the gatler and supa-rokkits have become large blasts instead of single shot weapons, turning the stompa into a ranged killing machine.
Technically you could still use the Kustom Stompa rules, but IMO it would be bad sportsmanship to use the updated(better) rules with the old point costs, but if you use the old weapon profiles, there should be no issue for your opponent.

I was disappointed that more weapon loadouts for the Stompa weren't available. I was looking forward to seeing the Liftadroppa, Belly Gun, and Gaze of Mork rules updated. What are our options if we wanted to use a Stompa with those weapons? I'm guessing a Stompa with any of those is likely better suited for Apocalypse instead of as a Lord or War in a normal 40k game.

In that case what would we use as the basis for the Stompa? The Apocalypse book or IA:8?

I agree i wish the stompa had some variants to it. As it is youre going to always pay 840pts for it since why the gak wouldnt you get the grot riggers and supa rokkits.

I have an interesting question about the stompa though...or any super heavy walker for that matter.
The BRB says it follows the rules of regular walkers, has moves through cover, fear, invincible behemoth, and a few other rules that probably never will mean anything. But it says it moves 12" rather than 6. Moves through cover doesnt make it immune to slowing down in terrain, and i dont see anything else that does. How the hell would you determine how slow it moved using a 1D6 method if it moves 12? lol

Also weirdboyz summoning daemons is a bad idea. Our waagh! spells are pretty fething nasty, only the 'Eadbanger is kinda pointless since it requires a 5+ after you pass the psyker test to even do anything (and its a toughness test, so meh...). As a non-daemon or gk/eldar, if you roll doubles of anything not just 6s you will peril. That means unless you only roll 3 you pretty much will peril, and if you only roll 3 you have good odds of not getting enough warps.
Weirdboy is squishy enough, dont make him kill himself lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Also weirdboyz summoning daemons is a bad idea. Our waagh! spells are pretty fething nasty, only the 'Eadbanger is kinda pointless since it requires a 5+ after you pass the psyker test to even do anything (and its a toughness test, so meh...). As a non-daemon or gk/eldar, if you roll doubles of anything not just 6s you will peril. That means unless you only roll 3 you pretty much will peril, and if you only roll 3 you have good odds of not getting enough warps.
Weirdboy is squishy enough, dont make him kill himself lol

Ironically, the Weirdboy is also so inexpensive that throwing him at Deamon summoning might not be a bad idea. Put him with a unit of Boyz, and pray that you get one of the better summoning powers. Summon Deamons until he kills himself with Perils. He's got two wounds, so you've got at least two tries to do it. All you need to do is end up with more than 70 points of Deamons, and he's pretty much paid for himself.

Also I was looking at Mad Doc Grotsnick and realized that his Cybork Body is totally pointless.

The lack of Stompa options is probably to stop Chapterhouse making variant Stompa weapons. :(

It's a bit of a PITA as a I made my son's Stompa up with a belly cannon, along with changeable arms so as to be later able to add a lifta droppa... but I guess it is most likely to be used in Apoc-ish games anyway.

Pretty much apoc only lol. I want a stompa, but i dont ever intend to field it until i hit 3k points or higher. im sorry but at 3k points if you complain about something i bring you have problems because at that point level you should have ample counters to any powerful things i can bring. Stompa is easily going to cost me 1000pts or so after i fill it up with meks lol.

And i more dont like weirdboyz summoning daemons because yes hes cheap, but hes an HQ slot, which is a high value slot. A warboss on bike can do more damage than 1 summon of daemons (remember you can perils on doubles that dont succeed too), a big mek could be a SAG or a KFF, and a painboy adds a LOT of durability to a random unit.
I find the most tactical decision in this army isnt what the units are made of, but rather which HQs you bring for said army lol. So freakin many utilities that are solely available in HQ....

Murrdox wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Also weirdboyz summoning daemons is a bad idea. Our waagh! spells are pretty fething nasty, only the 'Eadbanger is kinda pointless since it requires a 5+ after you pass the psyker test to even do anything (and its a toughness test, so meh...). As a non-daemon or gk/eldar, if you roll doubles of anything not just 6s you will peril. That means unless you only roll 3 you pretty much will peril, and if you only roll 3 you have good odds of not getting enough warps.
Weirdboy is squishy enough, dont make him kill himself lol

Ironically, the Weirdboy is also so inexpensive that throwing him at Deamon summoning might not be a bad idea. Put him with a unit of Boyz, and pray that you get one of the better summoning powers. Summon Deamons until he kills himself with Perils. He's got two wounds, so you've got at least two tries to do it. All you need to do is end up with more than 70 points of Deamons, and he's pretty much paid for himself.

Also I was looking at Mad Doc Grotsnick and realized that his Cybork Body is totally pointless.

Just take the primaris daemon summon and an ork power (ml2 right), then summon 10 pink horrors (115 point squad thanks to character,icon,instrument free. WIN). If he kills himself doing it then you have actually gained 45 points. If not then he can continue doing his other power and then have the daemons continue summoning more daemons. as an added bonus if you keep summoning more pink horrors you will generate more WC for your Wierdboy to use power with.

only downside is psyker heavy armies are most likely never let you cast anything. One Wierdboy is just not enough and two+ and your start to loose out on other very important elements that Vineheart01 pointed out, the other HQs are just too good to replace with Wierdboyz

 Jidmah wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
So with the stompa being in the codex, does that make the kustom one from IA8 outdated as a LoW in reg 40k? The kustom one is so much better than the codex one :/ What does everyone else think?

Actually it's not better. Some of the stompa's weapons have gotten some pretty nasty upgrades, the supa-gatler can no longer break on his first shot and has no limitations for picking additional targets, the Deff-Kannon can shoot whatever it feels like since it's no longer co-axial to the gatler and supa-rokkits have become large blasts instead of single shot weapons, turning the stompa into a ranged killing machine.
Technically you could still use the Kustom Stompa rules, but IMO it would be bad sportsmanship to use the updated(better) rules with the old point costs, but if you use the old weapon profiles, there should be no issue for your opponent.

sure, but I could put the same weps on the IA8 stompa (albeit different rules like you mentioned) plus a deff arsenal and 2 supa skorchas and it would still be like 100pts cheaper. IMO the codex and apoc stompa is way overpriced, especially compared to an IK. Oh well.

what, you expected something big and nasty to be on even grounds with an imperial variant? how dare you speak with such logic???

??? stompa is about equal to two knights in pts, but has 2x the HP, better side armour, lacks the invul but grants fearless, has way , wayyyyyyyyyyyy more firepower then two IK's too.

its d weapon is ap1 too vs ap2 on the knights if i am not mistaken.

It would be equal to the knight in HP's if you brought 2 to equal the points, both of which get the invul. Plus the knights don't count as a lord of war so your opponent gets +1 to seize and an extra VP if you bring a stompa and they have 2 IKs. Not to mention if an IK assaulted a stompa it would go first and it basically comes down to who roles better on the D table.

 keltikhoa wrote:

Murrdox wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Also weirdboyz summoning daemons is a bad idea. Our waagh! spells are pretty fething nasty, only the 'Eadbanger is kinda pointless since it requires a 5+ after you pass the psyker test to even do anything (and its a toughness test, so meh...). As a non-daemon or gk/eldar, if you roll doubles of anything not just 6s you will peril. That means unless you only roll 3 you pretty much will peril, and if you only roll 3 you have good odds of not getting enough warps.
Weirdboy is squishy enough, dont make him kill himself lol

Ironically, the Weirdboy is also so inexpensive that throwing him at Deamon summoning might not be a bad idea. Put him with a unit of Boyz, and pray that you get one of the better summoning powers. Summon Deamons until he kills himself with Perils. He's got two wounds, so you've got at least two tries to do it. All you need to do is end up with more than 70 points of Deamons, and he's pretty much paid for himself.

Also I was looking at Mad Doc Grotsnick and realized that his Cybork Body is totally pointless.

Just take the primaris daemon summon and an ork power (ml2 right), then summon 10 pink horrors (115 point squad thanks to character,icon,instrument free. WIN). If he kills himself doing it then you have actually gained 45 points. If not then he can continue doing his other power and then have the daemons continue summoning more daemons. as an added bonus if you keep summoning more pink horrors you will generate more WC for your Wierdboy to use power with.

only downside is psyker heavy armies are most likely never let you cast anything. One Wierdboy is just not enough and two+ and your start to loose out on other very important elements that Vineheart01 pointed out, the other HQs are just too good to replace with Wierdboyz

Oh absolutely. I'm not going to argue that a Weirdboy is a great use of an HQ slot compared to a Warboss, Painboy, or a Big Mek. He's clearly 3rd tier at best. On top of that, several of the Ork psychic powers are actually GOOD, so you're probably better off using the actual Ork psychic powers.

BUT... if you have some demon models lying around to use in a battle... I think it could be really fun and not a TERRIBLE choice.

It would work best in a Green Tide type army with at least two Weirdboyz. That way you'd have +4 Warp Charge dice from the Mastery Levels of the Weirdboyz, and an additional +2 from each of them generating their extra charge for having Orks nearby. That would give you a VERY good chance to be able to summon deamons with at least one of the Weirdboyz each turn.

I think my favorite spell is killbolt, just because its auto-hit lol. 18" range kinda limits and you have to position him so it doesnt hit your own unit, but S10 AP1 Beam is just naaaasty.

Also would like to say im kinda shocked. Theres no ork FAQ yet to fix dumb typos or something simple that every codex seems to need on release lol.

 Billagio wrote:
It would be equal to the knight in HP's if you brought 2 to equal the points, both of which get the invul. Plus the knights don't count as a lord of war so your opponent gets +1 to seize and an extra VP if you bring a stompa and they have 2 IKs. Not to mention if an IK assaulted a stompa it would go first and it basically comes down to who roles better on the D table.

Where are these additional rules regarding lord of war? I looked it up in my 7ed book and it doesn't say any of this. Standard CAD has a LoW slot so I don't need escalation to use a stompa.

 easysauce wrote:
??? stompa is about equal to two knights in pts, but has 2x the HP, better side armour, lacks the invul but grants fearless, has way , wayyyyyyyyyyyy more firepower then two IK's too.

its d weapon is ap1 too vs ap2 on the knights if i am not mistaken.

You are blowing past the value of an invul. A 4++ blocks out a straight 50% of damage. So against shootin they are pretty much identical, which is bad when one is double the cost.

NamelessBard wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
It would be equal to the knight in HP's if you brought 2 to equal the points, both of which get the invul. Plus the knights don't count as a lord of war so your opponent gets +1 to seize and an extra VP if you bring a stompa and they have 2 IKs. Not to mention if an IK assaulted a stompa it would go first and it basically comes down to who roles better on the D table.

Where are these additional rules regarding lord of war? I looked it up in my 7ed book and it doesn't say any of this. Standard CAD has a LoW slot so I don't need escalation to use a stompa.

Yeah i cant find these either.

the LoW entry in the BRB simply mentions what they are and where the rules/costs can be found.
The seize the init entry doesnt mention any modifiers to the roll, just a 6+ if you elected to go first after you deployed first.
And i dont even know where i would look for the additional VP rule, since that sounds like a special mission rule like First Blood and i see nothing for that.

Also question about the knight, as only one exists in my FLGS and ive never faced it, is the Imperial Knight immune to Explode! results? Its not a Super Heavy far as i know.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
It would be equal to the knight in HP's if you brought 2 to equal the points, both of which get the invul. Plus the knights don't count as a lord of war so your opponent gets +1 to seize and an extra VP if you bring a stompa and they have 2 IKs. Not to mention if an IK assaulted a stompa it would go first and it basically comes down to who roles better on the D table.

Where are these additional rules regarding lord of war? I looked it up in my 7ed book and it doesn't say any of this. Standard CAD has a LoW slot so I don't need escalation to use a stompa.

Yeah i cant find these either.

the LoW entry in the BRB simply mentions what they are and where the rules/costs can be found.
The seize the init entry doesnt mention any modifiers to the roll, just a 6+ if you elected to go first after you deployed first.
And i dont even know where i would look for the additional VP rule, since that sounds like a special mission rule like First Blood and i see nothing for that.

I think he was thinking about the rules in the Escalation book, since the opponent gets VP and +1 for seizing initiative in that one.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
It would be equal to the knight in HP's if you brought 2 to equal the points, both of which get the invul. Plus the knights don't count as a lord of war so your opponent gets +1 to seize and an extra VP if you bring a stompa and they have 2 IKs. Not to mention if an IK assaulted a stompa it would go first and it basically comes down to who roles better on the D table.

Where are these additional rules regarding lord of war? I looked it up in my 7ed book and it doesn't say any of this. Standard CAD has a LoW slot so I don't need escalation to use a stompa.

Yeah i cant find these either.

the LoW entry in the BRB simply mentions what they are and where the rules/costs can be found.
The seize the init entry doesnt mention any modifiers to the roll, just a 6+ if you elected to go first after you deployed first.
And i dont even know where i would look for the additional VP rule, since that sounds like a special mission rule like First Blood and i see nothing for that.

Also question about the knight, as only one exists in my FLGS and ive never faced it, is the Imperial Knight immune to Explode! results? Its not a Super Heavy far as i know.

Sorry, its 1 vp for 3 hull points lost by the superheavy. Both rules are in the escalation rulebook. From what ive read on other threads is that you still use these rules in 7th, though I have not used them myself. I figured that the 7th edition rulebook officially allows the LoW in 40k, and escalation details the rules for using them.

I could be wrong (and probably am). I guess you just ignore the escalation book now and there is no drawbacks for using a LoW? (besides tons of points obviously)

Thats kinda a massive loophole that they didnt directly say you have to do. We can field a Stompa without that book, and thats a lot of rules that wouldnt be used or even known. The BRB literally just says you can find them in some codexes and in that escalations book, says nothing about "oh btw theres rules you need to know in there too"

Which sounds like yet another optional expansion. There are numerous FW super heavies you dont need the Escalations book for, so the Stompa isnt the only super heavy that has points/rules without the book.

True, I guess you dont have to.

Getting back to Stompa vs IK. IK is still more points efficient imo (atleast when comparing to the codex/apoc book stompa). The IA8 one is better with all those cool customization in my opinion. Not to mention that lots of people dont like playing vs a LoW, whereas with an IK you dont really need to worry about that as much.

 Jidmah wrote:


But it is. In regular combined arms detachments the trukks you by for your 30 boyz would even gain objective secured. Put them in reserves and drive them onto objectives. At worst, they are driving bombs, causing huge S4 explosions. Quit a steal for 30 points - style point for modeling your trukks a bomb-squiggoths.

I need more trukks, mini squiggoths sounds like great way to make them. I will even scrap up some nice explosive cargo for it to pack around when not actually packing boyz

And a fast one at that. Bare-bone trukks move 12" flat out 12" and unless youre in trouble as it is i highly doubt they'd get shot at so they can easily zoom to an objective.

Cheaper, FoC-less, more durable (technically), and far faster than backfield Grots. i like that idea. And i think i have like 7 stinkin trukks lying around, only got 2 assembled atm (battleforces plus Ebay deals. I had since stolen the wheels from them but theyre easily replaced)

yeah I only have 2 trukks right now, My army has always been Green (red) tide Footslog. I found some nice models to work for small squiggoths plus trukk bed pieces enough to do 5 trukks for the price of 1.5

Another small thing I love about this codex is now I have something new to yell randomly during a game.
Of course WAAAAGH is a given but now when my boys roll over 10 I get to yell

Yeah i inadvertently did that and someone called it out during my game the other day lol. I love pointing out that it is NOT fleet so my bikers can benefit from it, they failed their 7" charge by rolling a 5 and a 1 so i rerolled the 1 and went "Ere we go!!" subconsciously in marios voice apparently since i immediately got called out rofl.

I have 5 battlewagons as well, 3 assembled. Im kinda having a bit of a pickle here though with them. Since i had such a good and fun run with the Weirdboy i want to keep using him, but i see two major issues that kinda force battlewagon lists.
1) Juicy target. Even 'Ard Boyz wont protect him for long as they footslog up the board. 3 battlewagons provides one hell of a deterrent when theyre full of sluggaboyz.
2) Theres a flaw in the Weirdboy bonus WC skill. It doesnt give you an option to generate that extra WC, and unless you got the ONE non-offensive Waaagh! spell you will take 1-2 psyker phases of S2 hits with no saves allowed, since you always generate that extra WC UNLESS you are in a vehicle.
I saw that and went "Wtf...." lol. Yeah it needs a 6 to wound him but when hes squishy enough as it is....rather not risk it. And the forced wagon list prevents any big gunz or walkers

Heh, just an interesting little tid bit from reading the grot entries in both the ork codex & dread mob list.

Dread Mob:

If the mob numbers 11 or more Grot Scavs, you must include an additional Runtherd. This requirement increases to an additional two Runtherds if the mob numbers 21 or more Grot Scavs

Ork Codex:
Must take one additional Runtherd for every 10 additional Gretchin in the unit.


The ork codex still has it written that you can have 29 grots but still only require 2 runtherds where as the dreadmob writers realise this loophole and require the additional runtherd as soon as you go beyond the ten grots a runtherd can look after.

Reading the Snikrot and Kommandoz entry, you can take Snikrot (who is 15 points cheaper now) and a Nob.

Thinking a unit like this will be pretty solid:

Snikrot
Nob: PK BP and Kombi Skorcha
5 Kommandoz with 2x Burnaz

Comes to 185, has a tiny footprint for hiding/making use of cover and poses a serious threat to backfield light infantry the turn it arrives, then threatens basically everything else in subsequent turns.

Not sure id use any kommandos without infiltrating. Snikrot's Shrouded rule affects infiltrate too. Odds are there arent any cover on the side they came in that is close enough to a target to actually help, else they get blasted off the table before they can assault.

If you infiltrate them thats a 3+/2+ save in any rubble/ruin and can easily get a T2 assault, or soak a LOT of shots.

Yeah that's also a good idea. I mean the thing is you'd have to look at the given situation, but the good thing is that you have the option to do either.

Agreed.

Though the only reason i ever used them before was to sneak a meganob boss behind my opponent's tank line turn 2 lol. Soak up any nonAP2 attacks with his face, LoS any AP2. Unfortunately they straight up denied that...bastards.

Honestly dont think Snikrot is worth 65pts. If he had Rending instead of Shred i think i'd be a little more inclined to take him, but except against Tau, IG, Orks, or small Nid bugz he wont ever pen anything and causes slightly more damage than a slugga boy for WAY more the cost.

What are the thoughts on using bomb squigs from transport that has moved at cruising speed?

Since they are a shooting attack that hits on a 2+, they would not be subject to snap-shooting and this might not be a bad idea to use to almost guarentee some hits with a s8 shooting attack. Provided the tankbustas get in range of course.

I might just have a place for trukk mounted tankbustas now. And at 110 points for a bare bones squad of 5 in a trukk with 3 squigs, its not too expensive either.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah i inadvertently did that and someone called it out during my game the other day lol. I love pointing out that it is NOT fleet so my bikers can benefit from it, they failed their 7" charge by rolling a 5 and a 1 so i rerolled the 1 and went "Ere we go!!" subconsciously in marios voice apparently since i immediately got called out rofl.

I have 5 battlewagons as well, 3 assembled. Im kinda having a bit of a pickle here though with them. Since i had such a good and fun run with the Weirdboy i want to keep using him, but i see two major issues that kinda force battlewagon lists.
1) Juicy target. Even 'Ard Boyz wont protect him for long as they footslog up the board. 3 battlewagons provides one hell of a deterrent when theyre full of sluggaboyz.
2) Theres a flaw in the Weirdboy bonus WC skill. It doesnt give you an option to generate that extra WC, and unless you got the ONE non-offensive Waaagh! spell you will take 1-2 psyker phases of S2 hits with no saves allowed, since you always generate that extra WC UNLESS you are in a vehicle.
I saw that and went "Wtf...." lol. Yeah it needs a 6 to wound him but when hes squishy enough as it is....rather not risk it. And the forced wagon list prevents any big gunz or walkers

You always have a way around that. Just activate your force weapon.

Oh yeah, derp, forgot thats done in the psyker phase not assault phase lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Agreed.

Though the only reason i ever used them before was to sneak a meganob boss behind my opponent's tank line turn 2 lol. Soak up any nonAP2 attacks with his face, LoS any AP2. Unfortunately they straight up denied that...bastards.

Honestly dont think Snikrot is worth 65pts. If he had Rending instead of Shred i think i'd be a little more inclined to take him, but except against Tau, IG, Orks, or small Nid bugz he wont ever pen anything and causes slightly more damage than a slugga boy for WAY more the cost.

With Snikrots formation (4x kommando + Snikrot) for 380 points (base squads with max burnas) you can drop 8 flame templates on anything within 6" of a board edge. can add 4 more with nob+Kombi in each for another 100 points if desired as well. That has potential imo. Also, if you build them more assaulty with bigger squads and nobs, this formation alows rerolls of cover saves if you don't shoot. These options make him easily worth his points imo.

So I've gotten in a couple games the past couple days with the new Orks and so far my impressions are:

Mega-armor boss with da lucky stick and a painboy in a squad of MANZ is LEGIT!

Gorka and Morka nauts are a lot of fun, not super effective for their points, though they are by far the best option for carrying a KFF across the board for shielding the boyz and vehicles, and are pretty crazy hard to kill, especially when you have a big mek with da fixer upper camping inside.

Traktor kannons are an auto take imo.

MANZ are an auto take.

Warbikers are an auto take.

Stormboyz are lot better with their points drop. Take a squad of 20 to 30 with a nob and zagstruk and they can easily rip a hole in your opponents defenses by turn 2.

Weirdboyz are good, if for nothing else but denying your opponents powers. I had the unfortunate circumstance of facing a hole army of gk psykers the time I fielded a weirdboy so I was denied all my powers basically the hole game...sooooo probably not the best test to see what a weirdboy really adds to an army.

Flashgitz are pretty devastating WHEN you roll lucky for them. Unfortunately, for that reason alone they likely won't see much table action at competitive events, though I'm very curious to see how they work in builds designed around them.

Lootas are lootas.

Still don't like deffkoptas even with their price drop.

Haven't fielded any tankbustas yet. The only reliable use I can see from them is fielding small suicidal trukk squads, much like haywire wyches are for de.

That's what stuck out to me the most so far anyways.

What did the MANz do in the game that qualified them so in your eyes?

Not doubting you, just wondering whether you have a tale of awesome krumpin' to tell with the Warboss and his retinue.

Wow. I find Manz unimpressive compared to tankbustas. They crumple to dedicated cc units.

At 1500 I tested this:
warboss: lucky stikk, relic bike, headwompa, da finkin kap, bosspole (in warbikerz mob) 135
painboy biker (in warbikerz mob) 75
10 tankbustas, nob, bp, truk, ram 170
2x 12 boyz, slugga/choppa, bob, pk, bp, truk, ram 294
15 gretchin, runtjherder 50
15 warbikerz, nob klaw 305
2x 3 defffkoptas, tl rokkits, buzzsaw 230
10 lootas 140
3 mek guns, traktor kannon, 3 ammo runts 99

Now I rolled twice on strategic and got ambush. We had a debate that I won that the tankbustas could infiltrate in a dedicated transport since the unit had infiltrate. Could not find a rule prohibiting it. I got first blood that way.

I found the warbikers with boss and painboy amazing. The mek guns are quite good if you face skimmers or flyers or FMCs. Lootas remain a good buy.

So, the wrecking ball is awesome. For those missing the def rolla, just make your BW def rollas count as ram + wreckin ball. Not quite as good as the old def rolla, but its still good and since trukks can take em too mekanized trukker orks can run an explosive demolition derby. Makes empty trukks somethin opponent can't ignore too since those taken with boyz using combined arms are scoring units and can pose a danger to a lot of things with wreckin ball / rokkit.
boyz don't even need to ride in these little deathtraps either, can footslog behind em if you make an av10 screen and target saturate with trukks & buggies

Most empty trukk are troops with the Objective Secured special rule. Why would your opponent want ignore them?

I don't think that putting a 10 point upgrade on vehicle that is killed so easily is very useful. On battlewagons, they are a valid point-sink, but by no means mandatory. Keep in mind that d3 shots at BS2 only average to .33 hits per turn, meaning that any given wrecking ball will rarely kill anything in a game. 10 points can be spent better than that.

Felix you can take only one relic per model in normal codex

 More Dakka wrote:
Reading the Snikrot and Kommandoz entry, you can take Snikrot (who is 15 points cheaper now) and a Nob.

Thinking a unit like this will be pretty solid:

Snikrot
Nob: PK BP and Kombi Skorcha
5 Kommandoz with 2x Burnaz

Comes to 185, has a tiny footprint for hiding/making use of cover and poses a serious threat to backfield light infantry the turn it arrives, then threatens basically everything else in subsequent turns.

You might want to recalculate those points.
A Boss Nob is also unable to take a Kombi Skorcha per "The Boss Nob may take items from the Melee Weapons list."

You can only take the 'same' relic once.

How will you guys play the morkanaut and gorkanaut?

XC18 wrote:
How will you guys play the morkanaut and gorkanaut?

I really want to like them, they just really needed Assault Vehicle as a rule. Also they are slower then the rest of my Biker and BW list.

They should also be able to inspire Killa Kanz like a Dred, they are a lot bigger?!?!

I do like the Rampage rule, if it ever sees combat. The Mork is good pretty much for the KFF.

In an all walker list is pretty much they only way I'd play them ATM. Pity since they are so cool looking!

The Morkanaut's 6" KFF bubble is probably the biggest reason to take one. They are both severely undergunned for the price, and otherwise mainly offer a sturdy hull. So I'd plump for the KFFanaught and use it to protect a wall of Battlewagons on turn 1 and suchlike.

 felixcat wrote:
You can only take the 'same' relic once.

Theres about 3-4 pages on this not that far back.

The Gifts of Gork and Mork read

My take ONE of the following

You may have 1 of each per army, but only 1 of anything in that list per HQ that has access.

Da Finkin Kap will probably never be used unless you dont want your warboss to be your warlord.

Technically you don't need your warlord to have the finkin cap. It just says to generate an additional one. Non warlords generate 0 so you with he cap the model generates one total.


Edit

Just noticed on the first page of point values that you can only take it on the warlord.

The whole one per model is so stupid.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
What did the MANz do in the game that qualified them so in your eyes?

Not doubting you, just wondering whether you have a tale of awesome krumpin' to tell with the Warboss and his retinue.

Well besides being awesome at capturing/denying objectives, one 3 man unit with the boss and painboy managed to take out a paladin squad including Drago and then weaken another paladin squad with the boss killing their librarian in a challenge. They also almost blew up a land raider too. The squad only cost 325pts too, which is dirt cheap considering all that they did, plus they were able to capture and deny objectives the hole game. Between them and my warbikers I was able to out score my opponent 24 to 5 in yesterdays maelstrom of war match with those units scoring roughly 2/3 of those points.

Question:
If I take a mek/w dead shiny shoota, put Him with lootas In a Trukk, can the stray shots hit the trukk?

Kangodo wrote:

 More Dakka wrote:
Reading the Snikrot and Kommandoz entry, you can take Snikrot (who is 15 points cheaper now) and a Nob.

Thinking a unit like this will be pretty solid:

Snikrot
Nob: PK BP and Kombi Skorcha
5 Kommandoz with 2x Burnaz

Comes to 185, has a tiny footprint for hiding/making use of cover and poses a serious threat to backfield light infantry the turn it arrives, then threatens basically everything else in subsequent turns.

You might want to recalculate those points.
A Boss Nob is also unable to take a Kombi Skorcha per "The Boss Nob may take items from the Melee Weapons list."

Ah missed that part, well not a huge loss, so 175 for the unit I described above, still pretty solid IMO.

 dreamakuma wrote:
Question:
If I take a mek/w dead shiny shoota, put Him with lootas In a Trukk, can the stray shots hit the trukk?

If your target is within 6" of the trukk. Only the mek and his unit is protected from strays, his transport is not.

 dreamakuma wrote:
Question:
If I take a mek/w dead shiny shoota, put Him with lootas In a Trukk, can the stray shots hit the trukk?

I think so, yes. The trukk isn't the same unit as the mek. With around a 93% chance it will do nothing to the trukk, I'd be happy to take the risk.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 dreamakuma wrote:
Question:
If I take a mek/w dead shiny shoota, put Him with lootas In a Trukk, can the stray shots hit the trukk?

I think so, yes. The trukk isn't the same unit as the mek. With around a 93% chance it will do nothing to the trukk, I'd be happy to take the risk.

HAHA that would add some ork hilarity, big mek storming up the battlefield with his manic 6 shot shoota blasting away, shoots his own driver with a stray, just a shame the old ramshackle doesnt still exist! for having the trukk then kareen straight into the enemy for the mek to assault out of would just be the darn funniest.


Dread mob ideas:
Ive been looking at the dread formation and for a non-fully decked out (not quite barebones) setup your reaching around 1400 pts (so this is taking KFF on both naughts, extra weapons on dreds, but a cheap HQ). For me this seems quite a lot of points, especially when sinking 600 into 2 walkers, who while extremely durable are only outputting a reasonable amount of dakka. PLus with 2 KFF's the only thing your really shielding is the kanz if you ran CC dreads (as I cant really imagine bringing dreads with dakka being very effective use of them).

So with that i've been looking at simply making a multiple FOC/CAD list that covers the same sort of grounds;

1 Morkanaught

2/3 Dreads with CCW

unit of 5 Kanz (zookas)

Then from this core ive saved points on the extra morka and kanz, (so about 500 pts-ish) I want to add in some gun platforms and trukks. So I can have some trukks and bikes press up, with the gun platforms moving alongside the morka, shooting and keeping within the KFF.
My question is; what do you guys think is a reasonable platform to have alongside the morka's? i was thinking;

Trukk of tank busta's - Although paper flimsy, hopefully with the trukks pressing ahead they wont be a huge target prio T1 and T2. I can then also hop out into midfield terrain so they can blast away, leaving the trukk free to either shoot ahead and perhaps pick up a stranded unit etc.
Looted wagons? - still seem really flimsy, but i suppose as with the trukk I can hope they wont be target uno and once its in range it can start adding fire
Battlewagons? - Higher AV, but still not exactly hard to pop with their enormous sides. Plus they are now a considerable points investment and a slot from my already heavily used HS slot.

The IA:8 big trakks and a couple others from that dex look pretty solid imo.

EDIT: Thanks Jidmah I was doing some looking up on thoughts about the big trakk and in a post you made in like 2011 - has sold me Jidmah - answering your questions before you question!


Solar

BWs did get more resilient with the 7+ to explode result. Yes theyre open topped so anything can pop them but its a 6+ now not a 5+, and any random AP2 gun doesnt have a 50-50 chance anymore.

Ive played 3 games with orks so far, all 3 with wagons. Havent lost a wagon yet which is shocking as hell. Granted, immobilization isnt much better but with the Meks inside i have a chance to fix that.
Im used to my wagons being as easy to pop as my trukks. This is mindbogging to see them actually take DAMAGE but not be destroyed instantly.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
This is mindbogging to see them actually take DAMAGE but not be destroyed instantly.

Grot Riggers and an embarked Mek are clutch. 2 5+ chances to repair hull points and damage results.