This is one of the few releases from GW that I have been quite interested in for a long time. I missed out on the 2009 release, and didn't play board games before that, so getting a new copy instead of an overpriced used one definitely appeals to me.
I haven't purchased anything from GW in the last nine months, since I stopped playing 40K and Fantasy, because I moved to other games.
This is a self contained game that can be played in a shorter time span, requires less setup time and even includes terrain. You probably couldn't even get the miniatures for the price of the board game if you were to purchase them separately from GW.
I lost count of the sheer volume of lapsed gamers that popped into my local GW (and those were the just the ones I saw) looking for a copy of Space Hulk after the news of its re-release had filtered out of wargaming circles, only to be told it was a limited run and have them walk off never to be seen again.
So now they're doing it again for a wedge of short term money and not having this as a gateway game where you can get some of that delicious nostalgia money and they'll probably stick around to expand into 40k proper.
Surely it'll bring in lapsed gamers now as well?
I'll be bringing mine to Gobstyks as soon as I have it, you are more that welcome to a game as a fellow lincolnite, I know you are a big GW fan
Yeah I bought mine for £100 in around 2010, £110 with postage. I haven't even had the heart to open the plastic yet. Not that I really planned to sell it, I guess I was kind of saving it, like a good bottle of wine. I'm not really sure how I feel about this. On one hand it should never have been a special release, I'd have been way happier to buy it from GW for regular game price in 2010, I probably wouldn't have felt so guilty about opening it either. On the other hand it was supposed to be a special edition, and this is a kick in the balls for people who bought it as such.
Pacific wrote: Interestingly, GameZone, the company that are relaunching 'Heroquest 25th edition', that have rights to the name in Spain, also have rights to 'Space Crusade' apparently, and are in process of working on something for it. I think a lot depends on whether this is a 'clean' launch for Heroquest 25th, and whether the game reaches the US specifically without a legal challenge, as to whether we will see a GameZone designed Space Crusade.
Yes Space Crusade was made by MB games - I believe GW had input on some of the design of miniatures, rest was MB. Rules were written by a chap who also wrote Heroquest, an American - sadly I forget his name, within boardgaming history he is something of an enigma, disappeared into the sunset after writing those games all those years ago and was never seen again..
I've always loved Space Crusade... Actually that's a lie, I always thought the miniatures were really crap; however, for the last 10 years, they've been crap in a nostalgic way. I've often thought about refabricating the whole game with all new components, but I'm way too lazy. The game play is awesome though. I like the simplicity of the weapons. The only down side is you need to have someone be the bitch and play the bad guys, which makes 2-player games boring as hell.
I can't see GameZone rereleasing Space Crusade. Hero Quest was fairly generic fantasy stuff, but Space Crusade is: Space Marines™, Ultramarines™, Blood Angels™, Imperial Fists™, Genestealers™, Chaos Space Marines™, all fighting aboard a Space Hulk™. I think it would be pretty difficult to reproduce it in an authentic way without incurring the wrath of GW.
Just open your pristine copy of Space Hulk 2009 and play it.
The game is good, it is self-contained, and needs no extras. (IMO adding to it runs a danger of compromising the purity of the rules.)
There is nothing in the 2014 version to invalidate the earlier version. If anything, the new Boarding Torpedo tiles are just a fancied up entry point. The new missions may be interesting, but they may actually be unbalanced. (Not all the old missions are well balanced.)
Always wanted SH since I first played Space Crusade. (24 yrs ago! ) Too young to afford it and buy my SW back then, and I was on a break from war gaming when 3rd was released. So I'm really pleased to get a chance to buy and play it for the first time.
Just wish it wasn't on a limited run, If they had the models on their 40k base (25mm for stealers and 40mm for termies i believe ) and threw in a small booklet on the bare basic rules for 40k, then they would have the ultimate gateway game.
It's a stupid thing to complain about, but I hate the new font on the box. I guess they needed to change something, though.
And a price increase, too. Yay. I thought $99 was high when they released it before, but is Space Hulk really worth going well into triple digits for? I wouldn't mind getting another copy of it just because, but at that price I have to seriously think about it.
Oh man, I remember Space Crusade- that Dreadnought used to kick my ass lol.
I wish they'd do like an add on pack for Space Hulk though so folks who bought it last time don't have to shell out.
Sidstyler wrote: It's a stupid thing to complain about, but I hate the new font on the box. I guess they needed to change something, though.
And a price increase, too. Yay. I thought $99 was high when they released it before, but is Space Hulk really worth going well into triple digits for? I wouldn't mind getting another copy of it just because, but at that price I have to seriously think about it.
Also, is it seriously a limited edition again?
You like me are an old timer. I won't be buying this edition because I have three sets of first edition, plus Deathwing and the original Whaite Dwarf expansion, the metal Terminators, and a set of Spulk 2009.
I still think £75 is a fair price for the game, given the detail of the figures, compared with rival boxed games such as Twilight Imperium III or Shogun. If you don't have it already.
Kilkrazy wrote: I won't be buying this edition because I have three sets of first edition, plus Deathwing and the original Whaite Dwarf expansion, the metal Terminators, and a set of Spulk 2009.
It's a tough one. I have 1st edition, and Genestealer (and Ultra marines), and 2nd edition, and quite a lot of the white dwarf extra missions and press-outs. Not to mention a shed load of those blue terminators, and a full set of the old metal terminators (mmm hazard stripe power-fists). And obviously I've got 2009. And so many new games coming now. I backed Arcadia Quest, SDE and Zombicide 3. And Operation Icestorm turning up any day now. I need to show some restraint or I'm gonna run out of shelf space.
But then... I keep thinking if I change my mind later and decide I do want this version, it's gonna cost double what they're charging now.
When quizzed yesterday, my FLGS just said "GW announcements are on Fridays"
I'm going in to tonight to pick up a Bastilodon so maybe they'll be more forthcoming in person... I mean, I can't afford it anyways, but like you know, what ever.
When quizzed yesterday, my FLGS just said "GW announcements are on Fridays"
I'm going in to tonight to pick up a Bastilodon so maybe they'll be more forthcoming in person... I mean, I can't afford it anyways, but like you know, what ever.
I buy most of my stuff through Element Games, but this time I'm going to pre-order it direct from the GW website, just make sure I get a copy.
When quizzed yesterday, my FLGS just said "GW announcements are on Fridays"
I'm going in to tonight to pick up a Bastilodon so maybe they'll be more forthcoming in person... I mean, I can't afford it anyways, but like you know, what ever.
Yep, talked to one of the bigger stores (retail+web) in the country, and they guaranteed me a set. Which probably means I'm the first to ask since they don't have it up for pre-order on their site. Might still try to get one from GW though since the price is exactly the same.
When quizzed yesterday, my FLGS just said "GW announcements are on Fridays"
I'm going in to tonight to pick up a Bastilodon so maybe they'll be more forthcoming in person... I mean, I can't afford it anyways, but like you know, what ever.
We aren't really supposed to put up announcements on our websites, etc until friday. Your FLGS may be towing the line tightly.
I have no problem talking on Dakka when the thread has been up for 6 pages before i enter it.
Bug them again at 2pm on Friday, when we suddenly are supposed to "Go Loud" with the announcement.
Silly way to do business. Get told, but be quiet, Then supposed to shout all weekend, and order on Monday?
Yeah, mine is just going to order it when it becomes available, but it's obvious when that will be so I've just gone along the lines of 'if by chance this is released Saturday can I get a copy ordered nudge nudge'
I could totally have gotten this for my birthday if I'd known a few weeks ago. Maybe I'll put money by for the 2016 edition but there's no point even looking for this come pay day.
£75 isn’t unreasonable considering what you get in there. I’m happily going to drop that much on Imperial Assault next year and the contents are comparable.
As I’ve already got the 2009 edition I think I’ll give this a miss as 4 extra missions don’t quite justify it, but if I didn’t own it I’d certainly pick this up.
Yeah, the price is OK, comparable to two boxes of Termies and a box of Stealers, and for that you get a ton of tiles, a whole game, better sculpts ect. If it weren't limited edition, GW would be dangerously close to doing something right. Alas...
Paradigm wrote: Yeah, the price is OK, comparable to two boxes of Termies and a box of Stealers, and for that you get a ton of tiles, a whole game, better sculpts ect. If it weren't limited edition, GW would be dangerously close to doing something right. Alas...
Put out this way then: I think this set represents fair value at the retail price, both for the game itself and the 40k crossover appeal. Yes, it's more expensive than last time, but cheaper than I'd see it on eBay. If I can get hold of a copy, I'll happily pay for it at GW prices.
Paradigm wrote: Yeah, the price is OK, comparable to two boxes of Termies and a box of Stealers, and for that you get a ton of tiles, a whole game, better sculpts ect. If it weren't limited edition, GW would be dangerously close to doing something right. Alas...
You're going down a dangerous path here.
Yeah basically. The first Space Hulk box I bought (2nd ed) was priced such that I could just buy it with the pocket money I had saved and I treated it like a reasonably priced board game. This one is too expensive for me to impulse buy... even though now I have a job and earn significantly more money
Paradigm wrote: Put out this way then: I think this set represents fair value at the retail price, both for the game itself and the 40k crossover appeal. Yes, it's more expensive than last time, but cheaper than I'd see it on eBay. If I can get hold of a copy, I'll happily pay for it at GW prices.
I dunno, £75 is a fair bit of sticker shock. In the context of GW's RRP it is reasonable, but seeing as GW's stuff is overpriced to begin with it really seems like an exercise in futility to me.
This is a product that really should not be a limited run and be priced about a 1/3rd cheaper and find its way into toy shops etc. As I already said, the sheer volume of lapsed gamers that came in trying to buy it only to walk off never to be seen again was staggering.
It's the same UK RRP as Operation Ice Storm, and while I've pre-ordered that, and won't be getting this as I own the 2009 version, I still think Space Hulk is the better deal.
Paradigm wrote: Put out this way then: I think this set represents fair value at the retail price, both for the game itself and the 40k crossover appeal. Yes, it's more expensive than last time, but cheaper than I'd see it on eBay. If I can get hold of a copy, I'll happily pay for it at GW prices.
You can't really compare to ebay prices, they were well beyond what the game in and of itself was worth.
Paradigm wrote: Put out this way then: I think this set represents fair value at the retail price, both for the game itself and the 40k crossover appeal. Yes, it's more expensive than last time, but cheaper than I'd see it on eBay. If I can get hold of a copy, I'll happily pay for it at GW prices.
You can't really compare to ebay prices, they were well beyond what the game in and of itself was worth.
Of course, I recognise that. I'm just pleased that the game is, at least temporarily, is available at a non extortionate price point. For some of the best minis ever made and a whole game in a box, I reckon its fair enough. I'll be very pleased if I can get hold of a copy.
Already ordered my copy. Expect me to play it 5-6 times, then put it up on eBay for profit again.
Have two sets of tiles and stealers now though, with a second Broodlord. Maybe I'll build my Black Templar terminators to go down the corridors, so I have two full games. Ahhhh...bitz box.
Paradigm wrote: Put out this way then: I think this set represents fair value at the retail price, both for the game itself and the 40k crossover appeal. Yes, it's more expensive than last time, but cheaper than I'd see it on eBay. If I can get hold of a copy, I'll happily pay for it at GW prices.
You can't really compare to ebay prices, they were well beyond what the game in and of itself was worth.
Of course, I recognise that. I'm just pleased that the game is, at least temporarily, is available at a non extortionate price point. For some of the best minis ever made and a whole game in a box, I reckon its fair enough. I'll be very pleased if I can get hold of a copy.
I think £75 is a bit expensive. I would typically expect to pay up to £60 for a Fantasy Flight or CMON board game. But then this is Space Hulk, and it's special. As I said before, I paid £110 for my 2009 version, so it should be fairly obvious that I would pay £75 in a heartbeat.
I agree that it's short sighted of them to not have any cheaper introductory games that youngsters can buy. But then we all know what GW are like. They're completely obtuse, which is why they are struggling, and releasing as many easy cash grabs as they possibly can. But eventually they'll go bust, and this game will be worth a small fortune. has anyone tried to buy Hybrid Confrontation since Rackham folded? Don't even bother, you can't afford it.
Remember even with this new edition GW will immediately abandon it, but don't you dare try to share new rules and scenarios on the internet because they will sue the pants off you for trying to expand their non supported game.
"GW, destroying the gaming community one C&D at a time."
Well if only it was £25 like the first edition I would definitely get it !!!
Seriously though, I do not think that £75 is bad, the Aussies still get ripped off though.
I cannot help myself where space hulk is concerned, I will get one just because of the tiles.
Remember even with this new edition GW will immediately abandon it, but don't you dare try to share new rules and scenarios on the internet because they will sue the pants off you for trying to expand their non supported game.
"GW, destroying the gaming community one C&D at a time."
Yes, got mine ordered. $125 is a deal for how excellent the game is (best GW game ever made) and the quality of the tiles alone. I already own ~30 original lead Rogue Trader/Space Hulk Terminators (hazard striped power fists!) and ~30 original lead Rogue Trader Genestealers (pre-plastic,lead arms). This will complete my own personal Ultimate Space Hulk.
When people say "already ordered mine" do they mean that they've got an optimistic arrangement with a local store? How do we know GW aren't going to pull another "shield generator"?
I dont think its a fair comparison to Icestorm IMO, Ice Storm is very much a nerfed starter and its nice, but value wise you're basically paying full price for the two starter sets of figures then paying a little extra for a paper mat and some very thin paper buildings and even thinner paper counters, plus 6 dice, and a starter booklet that is basically the one they gave away during 2e. The booklet is not the full rules - imagine GW not giving you the full rules in 40K/WFB starters (not talking about faction specific units, I mean like skills etc) - it would be declared the worst starter "evah".
£75 for those minis, decent quality card, 2 books and a ton of decent counters ? Sign me up.
I have noticed a a few places that whilst some people are being allowed to preorder at their FLGS, the discount some mention is basically non existent. Anyone been able to preorder and get a discount that shipping does not destroy ?
TwilightSparkles wrote: I dont think its a fair comparison to Icestorm IMO, Ice Storm is very much a nerfed starter and its nice, but value wise you're basically paying full price for the two starter sets of figures then paying a little extra for a paper mat and some very thin paper buildings and even thinner paper counters, plus 6 dice, and a starter booklet that is basically the one they gave away during 2e. The booklet is not the full rules - imagine GW not giving you the full rules in 40K/WFB starters (not talking about faction specific units, I mean like skills etc) - it would be declared the worst starter "evah".
You're right, it's not a fair comparison to Ice Storm in that they are both radically different games, that offer a completely different playing experience, with completely different miniature aesthetics. One is a self-contained board game, the other is a starter set for a miniatures tabletop game (I won't go into detail here, suffice to say that if you played Infinity a lot and had given people demo games, you would understand why O:I has a starter rulebook in the box).
Is it not possible to say that both are bloody great? I don't know why there has to be this constant parochialism with wargames, especially when comparing what is essentially the wargaming equivalent of apples and oranges.
I agree that it's short sighted of them to not have any cheaper introductory games that youngsters can buy.
Agreed - though Space Hulk is perhaps bit too 'high end' and pricey for introduction game. They really should have something like Space Crusade, which could be sold via regular sales channels. But I guess it wouldn't fit to 'premium' image they have tried to build.
I think the "limited edition" boardgames is actually a good idea in principle, they just don't take it far enough. Advantage of 'Limited edition' concept is that it encourages fence-sitters to buy the game right there, instead of "oh, looks interesting, maybe I will try it out some day..." I thought that when Dreadfleet came out 2 years after Space Hulk, that it was going to be a bi-annual thing, but nothing new has come out since. Really, with gorgeous minis and high quality components they could really build up expectations, make it a big deal and people would wait and salivate what GW is going to bring up this fall? But no, it seems that Dreadfleet was one-of-a-kind experiment and they seem to be content dusting off Space Hulk every now & then for a quick cash injection. Which is not bad per se, they just could take it further. They have a huge back catalogue of games they could redo with modern quality minis and people would lap them up.
Any idea if this is going to be a 'as long as supplies last' sort of thing? I missed out on the last version by something like a week and now all the versions are 250+ on the web (shakes fist at opportunistic douchebaggery).
Discount Games Store is taking pre orders for $US97, but they only got something like 4 boxes of Stormclaw so they're not sure how many of these they'll get.
Yeah I couldn't find it either... I have the last version so I'm guessing I won't partake... The miniatures are flipping amazing in that set! Oh and there is the one objective with the dead Marine on the throne which makes a nice objective for 7th ed.
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aka_mythos wrote: I'm so trying to resist the temptation to buy this.
Don't resist! It's a nail biter of a great game! Plus awesome miniatures! You'll regret not getting it.
Is the tabletop space crusade hulk more fun than the clone on PC? I found it pretty slow and cumbersome and the ease with which termies go down a bit immersion breaking.
Ahahaha I did see that at the time, but didn't recall him relating it to the tabletop version which I should have expected. We do share a big <3 of TB! I certainly wouldn't have bought it standalone but the bundle was good value regardless of it. Did you watch their Blood Bowl league? I actually bought Crendors li'l skittles shirt, that Skink... MVP of entire series ; p PC Blood Bowl I think is actually more fun than tabletop however which is why I wasn't sure if Space Hulk was similar in that regard.
That's true. Genestealers are lethal in HTH (as they should be), and you do not want to be a regular Termy in base-to-base contact. Overwatch is important!
Well the PC game is pretty much an exact clone of the table top game, so the table top game plays the same way as the PC game does... it's just the table top game is more fun because it's more fun to play it with miniatures with a live opponent than it is to play on PC (especially single player PC because the AI is terrible).
But it's the same game, you have action points you spend to move/turn/shoot/overwatch and the Terminator armour is butter once the genestealers get in close combat.
I think it's a fun game, but from the moment I played it ('96 version I think?) I thought "wait, they send big bulky Terminators in to a Space Hulk with corridors so narrow they can't fit through them against an opponent who makes that big bulky armour almost useless? Why not send power armoured marines or even elite guardsmen in to it instead?".
Well the PC game is pretty much an exact clone of the table top game, so the table top game plays the same way as the PC game does... it's just the table top game is more fun because it's more fun to play it with miniatures with a live opponent than it is to play on PC (especially single player PC because the AI is terrible).
But it's the same game, you have action points you spend to move/turn/shoot/overwatch and the Terminator armour is butter once the genestealers get in close combat.
I think it's a fun game, but from the moment I played it ('96 version I think?) I thought "wait, they send big bulky Terminators in to a Space Hulk with corridors so narrow they can't fit through them against an opponent who makes that big bulky armour almost useless? Why not send power armoured marines or even elite guardsmen in to it instead?".
My question about the Computer game is:
Is it a Turn Based Game or an RTS like the first one.
Well the video answers that, but yes, it's turn-based. It's the board game, done in video game format. It's like Blood Bowl - a complete electronic reproduction of the game.
Yep in the board game if the Genstealers make it into CC with a Terminator then the Terminator is pretty much dead. It's really rather difficult to recover from as well as one hole in the teams perimator can quickly lead to all the marines going down quickly.
LuciusAR wrote: Yep in the board game if the Genstealers make it into CC with a Terminator then the Terminator is pretty much dead. It's really rather difficult to recover from as well as one hole in the teams perimator can quickly lead to all the marines going down quickly.
Yeah, I often find I either make it through easily with all the marines, or get badly mauled/lose. Overwatch can't be trusted either. I try and set overwatch in the longest corridors I can find, shoot out doors, and set up crossfire zones if I can. The first mission is one of the hardest because it has that blind corner in the middle, leading to another blind corner. It can be really difficult to force your way around if you get poor command point rolls.
LuciusAR wrote: Yep in the board game if the Genstealers make it into CC with a Terminator then the Terminator is pretty much dead. It's really rather difficult to recover from as well as one hole in the teams perimator can quickly lead to all the marines going down quickly.
Yeah, I often find I either make it through easily with all the marines, or get badly mauled/lose. Overwatch can't be trusted either. I try and set overwatch in the longest corridors I can find, shoot out doors, and set up crossfire zones if I can. The first mission is one of the hardest because it has that blind corner in the middle, leading to another blind corner. It can be really difficult to force your way around if you get poor command point rolls.
A lot of the missions have pretty obvious set plays, especially after you've played the game a few times and know how many action points it takes to reach certain points and cover different locations and then it just comes down to luck as to whether you can hold the corridors you need to hold and can reach the spots you need to reach.
I have never played Space Hulk, so I've a few questions to those who are familiar with the previous edition. I am considering getting this game mainly to use the models in 40K, but I'd still like to be able to occasionally play Space Hulk as well.
1) Can this game be played with termies on 40mm round bases?
2) Is there any equipment options, or do the models always need to be equipped with the stock gear they come with?
3) Are all the models needed for all the scenarios?
Crimson wrote: I have never played Space Hulk, so I've a few questions to those who are familiar with the previous edition. I am considering getting this game mainly to use the models in 40K, but I'd still like to be able to occasionally play Space Hulk as well.
1) Can this game be played with termies on 40mm round bases? I don't see why not.
2) Is there any equipment options, or do the models always need to be equipped with the stock gear they come with? Nope you get what you're given with the models
3) Are all the models needed for all the scenarios? No- playing as Terminators, you start out with the Squad members shown in the scenario blurb. Playing as Stealers, the Brood Lord doesn't come in until later missions.
Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
PhillyT wrote: Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
That was exactly what I was fearing. How big are the squares?
Also, to answer Yonan, Terminators were pretty much invented for Space Hulk 1st edition in 1989. Which is why Space Marines sent in Terminators, because Richard Halliwell decreed it so.
So this is being released at possibly the worst month for me financially. I missed out on it last time and after playing my friends copy with him and my flat mate over the last few weeks I'm just going to have to tighten the ol' belt and give it a purchase, aren't I.
PhillyT wrote: Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
That was exactly what I was fearing. How big are the squares?
I wish normal bases worked. I could just slap my terminators down and not bother painting the ones that come with the game!
You could magnetize the ones in the box, or make a socketed base for regular play if you wanted.
The genestealers are the tough one. The ones in the game are so great they would make awesome ones for use in 40k.
PhillyT wrote: Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
That was exactly what I was fearing. How big are the squares?
It would take a little work, but you could magnetize the terms feet/molded base to hot swap the 40mm bases....I am going a step further and removing the molded bases (to match standard terms) and making custom textured bases designed to fit in the squares on the Space Hulk board, then magnetizing their feet to swap.
Smacks wrote:They are just right for a regular 25mm base.
EDIT:
Also it's after 2pm on Friday, is it time to go loud yet?
I'm not certain, but I think the 2pm restriction referred to 2pm EDT (US East coast, so like 11am Pacific, or closer to Saturday GMT) since Saturday is the day GW likes to make new announcements/releases.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well the video answers that, but yes, it's turn-based. It's the board game, done in video game format. It's like Blood Bowl - a complete electronic reproduction of the game.
Although the BB computer game went much further with the full campaign system and the 'blitz' mode which gave you the option to play in a different, real-time version of the game.
BB is a much more polished product I think as well, and there is a lot more to it, you can tell it had a lot more money/time spent on it in development.
Looks like just about every UK online store has jumped the gun, it's 5% off at element games, plus postage, 20% off at the outpost with free postage (!) , plus the rest.
EDIT: My bad, Element is usually 20% off GW preorders but are obviously seizing the day on this one....... with their postage cost it means you may as well order from GW.
It's up on Wayland. Five quid off but shipping will wipe that out. Also, a limit of one peer customer, which is nice to ensure people aren't buying multiplies just to sell them on.
Yeah, can confirm Element Games are fantastic. Every GW preorder I've done with them has turned up my house on release day (mainland UK). I'm only going core GW this time because the cost is going to wind up about the same, so why not?
Tried to pre-order from Frontline, but they invoiced me for 20% off $150, plus shipping and CA sales tax...so, will be cheaper through GW direct? Maybe they made a mistake...asked for an updated invoice. Hope they get back to me soon, or I will jump the gun and buy it from GW...
Edit: They got back to me real quick and sent an updated invoice. $100 + $8.25 CA sales tax + $6.99 shipping.... still slightly better than $125 + ~$10.50 CA Sales tax.
My bad on the element games thing, they are usually 20% off GW, Outpost are good I've used them quite a few times, just wish I lived closer to their store so I could visit/game there!
Another one for people - 4tk.co.uk is 20% off plus postage, they are not one a lot of people have heard of as they dont have the range of games the bigger guys do BUT for GW stuff they are good, I ordered the Lore of Death from them and received them fine, for example.
BTW Would I be right in thinking that nobody leaked the digital add on rules for Space Hulk were coming out ? If so this reinforces what I believe; GW is orchestrating the leaks.
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BTW Would I be right in thinking that nobody leaked the digital add on rules for Space Hulk were coming out ? If so this reinforces what I believe; GW is orchestrating the leaks.
If someone grabs the DW digital expansion, can you give some spoilers? I have a hunch they are regurgitated missions from the 1st edition ones published in the Campaign book.
Bioptic wrote: Glad to hear that Outpost are good, as I rather rushed into that one! They have nice prices on things like Dark Vengeance as well.
Let's just hope they operate an accurate stocking system...
They do, one of the owners is active on various facebook trading groups that they sponsor, he stated they had been allocated a set amount anda portion of those would be put up on the website, the rest were for customers who preordered instore or store sales. Theyve sold all web allocated ones now so if you ordered you are okay, otherwise, I suggest try 4tk as even with postage you are saving about £10.
PhillyT wrote: Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
I want to say the new one made the board a bit bigger as it use the newer sized termies. At work so can't check my set.
PhillyT wrote: Only issue with the terminators being on 40mm bases is that they are larger than the squares. If you try to stake up 5 terminators, they en up taking up 7 - 8 squares and it screws up the game.
I want to say the new one made the board a bit bigger as it use the newer sized termies. At work so can't check my set.
Looks like they had Digital DL of spare missions you can use your UM with or SW termies
I'll be getting the Dark Angels dataslate, I dont buy my itunes credit at retail price, so I'll post what is in it if no one else has, looks like they are not live until next week as no mention on ibooks.
barnowl wrote: Wonder how compatible the Dataslates will be with the older version of the game. Would love to see a FAQ update for the older release.
I have the WD issues, which is why I haven't plunked down the $16 for the dataslates...my hunch combined with the product descriptions are that the missions are identical to the old ones, with some updated rules for wargear used by the terminators in the respective armies (Deathwing in particular). Basically to get people to plunk down more money for the Terminator kits.
barnowl wrote: Wonder how compatible the Dataslates will be with the older version of the game. Would love to see a FAQ update for the older release.
I have the WD issues, which is why I haven't plunked down the $16 for the dataslates...my hunch combined with the product descriptions are that the missions are identical to the old ones, with some updated rules for wargear used by the terminators in the respective armies (Deathwing in particular). Basically to get people to plunk down more money for the Terminator kits.
Just show's how bizarre GW's thinking is with this. A more permanent game with continued content such as these dataslates would provide a perfect gateway game and a cheaper route in to the 40k universe. Adding in Space Marines in power armour (White Dwarf 120), Harlequins (Citadel Journal 2), Traitor Terminators (White Dwarf 121 and 122), Imperial Guard (Citadel Journal 25) and so on. Such a missed opportunity
PhillyT wrote: What dataslates were sold? Where are the alternate rules?
You can see the Dataslates on GW's site. They are basically reprints of old campaigns first featured in White Dwarf years ago. They presumably updated them with fancy graphics and a few new weapon rules to match the current terminator models
I bought it last time and just paid for my pre-order.
IF you have the money laying around, you can most likely get your cash back out down the road if you needed to. Heck, you can probably make the money back on the models alone!
I suspect once Wayland have the initial batch that is all they will get, Games Workshop doesn't like them so they often seem to get stiffed on new releases (or they overorder). I think you'll find that it's excluded from their free shipping as the bottom of the page has the usual hilarity;
"Bulky: Please note this item is bulky and is not covered by any free shipping promotion."
Smaller retailers are doing better discount and free or cheaper shipping *shrug*
I missed this last time around, and still havent brought myself to pay over the odds for one. So ordered this one right away!
Do feel bad for those who got it last time around, and its now somewhat less limited-ness.. but really happier that I can paint up those figures than anything else.
Bull0 wrote: Yeah, can confirm Element Games are fantastic. Every GW preorder I've done with them has turned up my house on release day (mainland UK). I'm only going core GW this time because the cost is going to wind up about the same, so why not?
I usually rationalise it by 'spreading the wealth', a bit is going to the manufacturer, a bit going to an independent gaming store (which are ultimately really important for the sustainment of the wargaming hobby)
Only time I buy direct from manufacturer is when they offer a significant discount (which isn't very often.. Battlefront have a sale on their 'Early War' stuff at the moment for FoW, but they are rare)
They could have put out $50 expansions for other chapters and orks with new, static pose plastic models to not only get the new people buying more, but the previous people getting new stuff, too.
Missed opportunity from the "we're a model company first" side of the house.
They could have put out $50 expansions for other chapters and orks with new, static pose plastic models to not only get the new people buying more, but the previous people getting new stuff, too.
Missed opportunity from the "we're a model company first" side of the house.
Not seeing how this is lazy? They've put in additional missions for specific chapters of which a huge number of people who play WH40K collect. Would you rather they didn't put in any add ons at all? Plus I imagine you can field just about any chapter you feel like in there anyways.
I agree it's Lazy in that it is regurgitated material. Actual new play-tested and balanced missions would have been much better...still, by making the board game limited again, they have basically limited the life span of those digital products as well. Only the select few who have the game, and are interested in the faction presented, and that don't already own the missions will be buying (save a a few collector exceptions).
Yeah,
£60 from darksphere.
Boom! Purchased.
I now have three sets of 3rd ed tiles and two sets of minis (Will probably sell one set of terminators later)
I will consider the £30 of DLC items later.
They seem over priced.
Seems expensive for a digital nothing and I'd prefer a hard copy that sits on the table.
I really don't understand GW at all anymore.
They make Space Hulk a limited release so lots of people that want it don't get it. They'll create an overpriced market on ebay. Why don't they just keep it available all the while like their main games.
I can't afford it this month. I will be able to next month but it will be sold out then. It means GW lose out on my £75 and I have less incentive to spend more on GW products like dataslates for the game.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I really don't understand GW at all anymore.
They make Space Hulk a limited release so lots of people that want it don't get it. They'll create an overpriced market on ebay. Why don't they just keep it available all the while like their main games.
I can't afford it this month. I will be able to next month but it will be sold out then. It means GW lose out on my £75 and I have less incentive to spend more on GW products like dataslates for the game.
/shakes head
It fits in nicely with GW's patented 'One step forward, and two steps back while hitting yourself in the face with a hammer' business strategy. A game like this should absolutely be available all the time. But then saying that I still bought one, and it'll likely not be in stock come Monday, so what do I know about business?
This marketing works. They are getting 100% sales. AND, they are training us...with their last-minute release announcements COMBINED with their limited quantity antics...to have a bucket full of cash waiting in a "Reserved for impulse buys I can't do without, and would rather not pay 300% for on eBay later" status....
People like Gimgamgoo above (and like myself in the past), have no other option than to anticipate high dollar, must-have releases by setting aside money for them in advance. It's so EVIL because its actually WORKING.
Fango wrote: This marketing works. They are getting 100% sales. AND, they are training us...with their last-minute release announcements COMBINED with their limited quantity antics...to have a bucket full of cash waiting in a "Reserved for impulse buys I can't do without, and would rather not pay 300% for on eBay later" status....
People like Gimgamgoo above (and like myself in the past), have no other option than to anticipate high dollar, must-have releases by setting aside money for them in advance. It's so EVIL because its actually WORKING.
They have every incentive to do it, and little to no incentive not to.
Remember Gorkamorka ? They were giving away Gorkamorka box sets with annual White Dwarf subscriptions that cost less than the price of Gorkamorka. It was insane. I got 4 years of subscriptions and stocked up on Gorkamorkas for the vehicles. I still have Gorkamorka boyz on the sprue.
Dreadfleet ? It's rumored they simply tooik the loss and destroyed the remaining stock.
Selling Space Hulk this way is a HUGE win for them.
aaand The Outpost has already sold out of everything GW allowed - read - allowed them to have already.
Wow. Just wow.
Space Hulk isnt even that good of a game.
How much you're willing to bet the majority of people who own the board game version have it catching dust for most of the year in their home? Most people probably only get less than a dozen games out of it.
And you can always buy and play it on steam. In fact I got the steam version during a steam sale for like 2.50 bucks.
People will go to any lengths to fork over huge sums of money purely based on the concept that the item they are buying is really really valuable in that nobody else can get it a couple days later and how one can sell it for even higher prices on ebay afterward.
Sir Arun wrote: aaand The Outpost has already sold out of everything GW allowed - read - allowed them to have already.
Wow. Just wow.
Space Hulk isnt even that good of a game.
How much you're willing to bet the majority of people who own the board game version have it catching dust for most of the year in their home? Most people probably only get less than a dozen games out of it.
And you can always buy and play it on steam. In fact I got the steam version durin g a steam sale for like 2.50 bucks.
People will go to any lengths to fork over huge sums of money purely based on the concept that the item they are buying is really really valuable in that nobody else can get it a couple days later and how one can sell it for even higher prices on ebay afterward.
The figures are fething beautiful.
The tiles can be used for other similar games.
Some of us would rather play a miniatures game at a table with friends, rather than the simulated version on a PC.
The BloodBowl adaptation on PC is great. Spent many hours on it and remember almost non of them.
Playing actual Bloodbowl with with friends created memories we still laugh and tell war stories about.
Sir Arun wrote: aaand The Outpost has already sold out of everything GW allowed - read - allowed them to have already.
Wow. Just wow.
Space Hulk isnt even that good of a game.
How much you're willing to bet the majority of people who own the board game version have it catching dust for most of the year in their home? Most people probably only get less than a dozen games out of it.
And you can always buy and play it on steam. In fact I got the steam version durin g a steam sale for like 2.50 bucks.
People will go to any lengths to fork over huge sums of money purely based on the concept that the item they are buying is really really valuable in that nobody else can get it a couple days later and how one can sell it for even higher prices on ebay afterward.
Now I know why women crave fancy jewelry so much.
I guess us men have that same gene
Stopped reading at "Not that good of a game"....
I'm talking about 40k boardgames in general.
I have Relic. It's pretty good, but not the kind of stuff you play with your friends every other weekend like regular 40k.
But at least you can still get it.
Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.
If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.
Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.
If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.
People keep saying that, but I don't think it would actually work like that.
Space Hulk previously had 2 editions that were not limited availability. When they were not limited, people procrastinated buying it. you can find evidence of that in this very thread.
This way, GWs esitimated their expeceted sales, and following a marketing plan that allows them to sell their entire inventory in a week.
That's an awful, flawed argument to defend a stupid release policy.
I bought the first edition based on positive word of mouth. I skipped the second edition because I already had space hulk, and didn't need the models. I bought the third not because it was limited, but because it was a nice update with great models.
You may as well use that argument for any boxed product to be limited-release, and then left unavailable. To use an example from your own sig, just imagine if Zombicide was a one-run limited release. Are they still on the first run of the initial game? We know they're not, and it's still popular and still sells well.
People can and will procrastinate on buying anything and everything, because we don't have unlimited funds, because we want to try something before we buy it, because other priorities come up. Lots of things in the world still get bought after the first week of release.
And a lot depends on how many they made this run, and how popular the game is. Two variables that no one here knows.
From info I got, I have a wag that the run is about 50% of the last run.If it sells out in a week, they maybe could have used a bit more. If it's a month, i'd say just right. There will still be small amounts in a lot of stores, and of course many gamers bought an extra copy to speculate. If it's around in 6 months, they screwed up and made too many.
I doubt its going to be on ebay for massive money as before, I doubt it will sell out as quickly as before either.
I bet they make substantially more of them than they did last time around.
It was only one per customer then as well if I am not mistaken, and this time you can have three.
Rayvon wrote: I doubt its going to be on ebay for massive money as before, I doubt it will sell out as quickly as before either.
I bet they make substantially more of them than they did last time around.
It was only one per customer then as well if I am not mistaken, and this time you can have three.
They won't.
I already contacted the guy from The Outpost store and he said their quota of preorders GW had allowed them had already sold out.
My thinking is that GW gives every retailer a maximum number of copies they can preorder.
The assumption that they can reorder unlimited amounts of copies after the launch is wild speculation.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I really don't understand GW at all anymore.
They make Space Hulk a limited release so lots of people that want it don't get it. They'll create an overpriced market on ebay. Why don't they just keep it available all the while like their main games.
IIRC, Many copies of 3rd edition were not bought for just the game, but also for the miniatures. Buying the boardgame was MUCH cheaper than buying the mini's individually.
Still true? I'm not looking closely into this game since I have copies of it. Still haven't painted my 1st edition mini's...
Wow. Costs twice as much as it should, par for the course lately. I wonder if they know that they are hurting sales right now? I mean I would buy it if it was half that, but it is hard to justify that much on a board game. Or a tank. Or a GW whatever. Love the models, but they seem desperate to sell anything at twice what it should cost.
A few bucks more here or there may annoy me, but if I want something enough, I'll buy it. Waaaaaaay overpricing makes me go, "Ooo that's nice I'd really like to buy that - oh....nope. Nevermind.Moving on"
How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc
Gorgrimm wrote: Wow. Costs twice as much as it should, par for the course lately. I wonder if they know that they are hurting sales right now? I mean I would buy it if it was half that, but it is hard to justify that much on a board game. Or a tank. Or a GW whatever. Love the models, but they seem desperate to sell anything at twice what it should cost.
A few bucks more here or there may annoy me, but if I want something enough, I'll buy it. Waaaaaaay overpricing makes me go, "Ooo that's nice I'd really like to buy that - oh....nope. Nevermind.Moving on"
How much did the previous version of space hulk cost?
TwilightSparkles wrote: How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc
'Cause when we bought the last one, which had the same models, it cost less. That's how.
Was out of the hobby when this was released last, the Terminators look great, but how easy / hard would it be to paint / use them as another chapter? How much blood angels bling is there?
TwilightSparkles wrote: How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc
Also, they aren't *new* types of models and only usable by one army due to the BA symbols everywhere. Who really needs that many stormbolter terminators? They haven't been useful in game.. uh ever :p So you just have collectors mainly who probably already have the models. All in all, its overpriced for its use. I played my copy a few times, but honestly space hulk isn't that great of a board game compared to fantasy flght games.
Space Hulk's rarity limits the amount of people in the 40k community who know the rules and would be interested in a game.
If GW made it readily available, more people would know the rules and more people would play it.
People keep saying that, but I don't think it would actually work like that.
Space Hulk previously had 2 editions that were not limited availability. When they were not limited, people procrastinated buying it. you can find evidence of that in this very thread.
This way, GWs esitimated their expeceted sales, and following a marketing plan that allows them to sell their entire inventory in a week.
But the general availability editions are before the time of most of the current generation of gamers. I don't see any mention of when they pulled the 2nd Edition, but it was launched in 1996 with the LE 3rd edition in 2009, so the last general release was conservatively 7+ years ago (2 years before the LE), meaning most likely any gamers under about 20 (GW's supposed target audience) won't have even seen it.
Most sales of games are usually based on having seen it - but with this by the time someone has given you a look at their box, never mind a demo game, it'll have been sold out. The only people like to buy this LE run are: 1. Gamers old enough to remember the 2nd/3rd Edition with a nostalgia factor 2. Collectors who buy everything 3. Speculators.
It's probably not even useful for the parents buying stuff for Birthdays or Christmas, because it'll be sold out before they can stumble across it. It's literally unavailable to anyone who doesn't pay close attention to the release schedule.
Fango wrote:This marketing works. They are getting 100% sales. AND, they are training us...with their last-minute release announcements COMBINED with their limited quantity antics...to have a bucket full of cash waiting in a "Reserved for impulse buys I can't do without, and would rather not pay 300% for on eBay later" status....
People like Gimgamgoo above (and like myself in the past), have no other option than to anticipate high dollar, must-have releases by setting aside money for them in advance. It's so EVIL because its actually WORKING.
They might be training you to impulse buy every new release, they're training me to stop caring when I miss things I want because I'm sick of it. Given this is a 40k/wargaming forum, I expect this crowd would be the one most likely trained in to hyped up impulse buys. I can tell you now, most my wargaming buddies wouldn't even know of Space Hulk's existence yet, some of them are people who bought the 1996 release of it, yet wouldn't even know this one is out yet.
GW lost me with Stormclaw, I wanted that, I didn't get it, oddly enough I didn't really care any more, normally I'd be pissed off that I missed out on that Wolf Lord.
Yes, GW are training me well, training me to stop caring about their products.
But I guess it fits in well with their strategy of milking the smallest amount of customers for the most amount of money.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Stopped reading at "Not that good of a game"....
I will be honest... I've never seen why people think SH is such an awesome game. It's an okay game, it has nice models and (used to be) a good price. As far as a game in and of itself, I didn't think it was as good as Epic, Gorkamorka, BFG, Aeronautica Imperialis, Mordhiem, Necromunda. I never played Warmaster but I'd hazard a guess I'd probably like that more too
The main appeal to me is it's a game in a box and I can use the models in regular 40k. The genestealers I got from the 1996 release have spent far more time in my Tyranid army than they have on the table in SH. I think I played through most the scenarios of SH in the store before I bought the game, then a couple of times with a couple of mates and haven't played it since. I often think about pulling it out, but I haven't yet.
The main reason I wanted the current SH release is I would like the models, they are just damned sexy.
Bought it, even though I just Ebayed my old set [which didn't have the terminators] because of lack of use I saw an auction on Ebay for just the terminators which had started before the rumours came out. Bidding was at £80 - ouch.
So basically it's overpriced because it costs more than a version that's not actually available at retail and still runs at close to £90 on ebay, and 40K players cannot break it down into cheap units.
Oooooookay. It's a game in a box that's self contained and there is more tiles/setup options than any other major dungeon type game currently at retail, including Mantics KS for Dungeon Sagas. And the minis are not made of that rubbish plastic that bends, has soft or variable detail. As I said, each to their own but I think some people just out to hate on anything GW do. Plus mine cost me £60
AllSeeingSkink wrote: They might be training you to impulse buy every new release, they're training me to stop caring when I miss things I want because I'm sick of it. Given this is a 40k/wargaming forum, I expect this crowd would be the one most likely trained in to hyped up impulse buys. I can tell you now, most my wargaming buddies wouldn't even know of Space Hulk's existence yet, some of them are people who bought the 1996 release of it, yet wouldn't even know this one is out yet.
I'm in the same boat; I'd be excited for it if I thought there was any chance of actually getting it. There isn't, so after a brief burst of nostalgia (I'd like to play it again) I've stopped caring. I'll let the buzz die down and buy a mint 2nd Ed from ebay for £40
I'm not sure why they don't just release it, when it runs out, release it again. We'll see how limited it might be, but if it sells out in a week, most the people who will have bought it will be people who missed out on the first one or are already established fans.
They're missing out on setting the game up in their stores and using it to draw in new customers, which worked really fething well with the 1996 version. It's pretty much what brought me in to 40k (I had bought a blister of SW to test paint, but SH was the first considerable thing I bought in the 40k line up).
mitch_rifle wrote: It seems like a really good entry game for new customers
If only there was a thing that companies could do to find out what would better bring in business. Some kind of research they could do on... markets, perhaps? Shame that no one does that at all ever, especially GW.
Sir Arun wrote: so how much did the 3rd edition initially cost?
78 euros, don't remember what the other currencies was. There was lot of whining about it being overpriced but I thought it was actually pretty reasonable. Premium quality board games cost about that. Present 100 euros is kinda pushing it, however.
Limited Editions like this work great from a business sense for GW. I'll make hte numbers up just for the example........
Lets say they have printed off 100,000 copies of the game. All the tooling and dia has already been manufactured, so the cost of manufacture is quite low as there is little non recurring costs to recover. Let's assume it actually costs £18.75 to manufacture (25% not unresonalble). By stating and hyping that this is a limited release, they can sell out of it quickly. Lets assume that 25% of the game goes to independants at 50% of RRP. Very quickly, GW Financials can predict the cash int the business, allowing for an acutate forecast of profits. Good for shareholders...
So, 25% of the run making GW £18.75 = £468,750 + 75% of the run making £4,218,750. Total ££££ in = £4,678,500.
As I said, I'm just making these numbers up, but very quickly you can see how powerful being able to predict your ££££ in can be. Add to this if it sells out, there's no storage / warehousing costs, and the stores shelf space can be used for something else.
I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
As much as I love Space Hulk, and I love it more than most people on this site! In fact I love it so much, I want to make love to it!
It still doesn't detract from what others have said: why make it limited edition? Why? Put it on general sale and make loads more money!
Instead, what you'll get is people like me buying half a dozen copies, sitting on them for 12 months, and then selling them off for vast sums of money, later on!
Well... my lad's seen the pics and asked for it for xmas. I can't afford it this month - but could next month when it will no doubt be sold out.
Net result:
My lad doesnt bother with GW stuff cos Santa couldn't bring it. I get to save money because the game was no longer available. I save even more money because my lad doesn't ask for paint sets, brushes etc. My lad doesn't go back to school after xmas telling his mates of a great game he got generating enthusiasm and even more purchases for GW from his mates and paint sets etc
But hey, GW do their market research and know best.
They clearly have a great long term plan in place for new customers. Oh.. wait...
Edit: and because GW have pee'd me off doing this, next time I need to buy paints I buy Army Painter ones instead of GW ones and put my future hobby money purchases to my growing Deadzone stuff instead of the latest GW releases.
As much as I love Space Hulk, and I love it more than most people on this site! In fact I love it so much, I want to make love to it!
It still doesn't detract from what others have said: why make it limited edition? Why? Put it on general sale and make loads more money!
Instead, what you'll get is people like me buying half a dozen copies, sitting on them for 12 months, and then selling them off for vast sums of money, later on!
Damn you GW for making me do this
*3 copies.
On GWUK at least, you're restricted to 3 purchases per buyer.
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Gimgamgoo wrote: Well... my lad's seen the pics and asked for it for xmas. I can't afford it this month - but could next month when it will no doubt be sold out.
Net result:
My lad doesnt bother with GW stuff cos Santa couldn't bring it. I get to save money because the game was no longer available. I save even more money because my lad doesn't ask for paint sets, brushes etc. My lad doesn't go back to school after xmas telling his mates of a great game he got generating enthusiasm and even more purchases for GW from his mates and paint sets etc
But hey, GW do their market research and know best.
They clearly have a great long term plan in place for new customers. Oh.. wait...
Edit: and because GW have pee'd me off doing this, next time I need to buy paints I buy Army Painter ones instead of GW ones and put my future hobby money purchases to my growing Deadzone stuff instead of the latest GW releases.
You can probably get a copy of the rules off ebay or a PDF download online.
Buy a couple sets of Terminators/Assault Terminators and Space Marine Characters in Terminator armour; and a few boxes of Genestealers and a Broodlord.
Use GW terrain sets, or use some of the vastly cheaper terrain kits available online from 3rd party retailers.
In fact, some of those 3rd party terrain kits look far superior to GW's.
Treat it as a hobby project that you and your son can work on together.
As you'll be making your own Terminators, you can make them whatever Chapter you like. Space Wolves, Dark Angels - Death Wing, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists...What always put me off the most about Space Hulk was that the Terminators were Blood Angels, a chapter I don't particularly like. But if they were Raven Guard...
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well... my lad's seen the pics and asked for it for xmas. I can't afford it this month - but could next month when it will no doubt be sold out.
Net result:
My lad doesnt bother with GW stuff cos Santa couldn't bring it. I get to save money because the game was no longer available. I save even more money because my lad doesn't ask for paint sets, brushes etc. My lad doesn't go back to school after xmas telling his mates of a great game he got generating enthusiasm and even more purchases for GW from his mates and paint sets etc
But hey, GW do their market research and know best.
They clearly have a great long term plan in place for new customers. Oh.. wait...
Edit: and because GW have pee'd me off doing this, next time I need to buy paints I buy Army Painter ones instead of GW ones and put my future hobby money purchases to my growing Deadzone stuff instead of the latest GW releases.
Get back to me in 6 months - I'll have a fully painted copy ready and waiting...at a vastly inflated price of course
Seriously, though, you make a very valid point, and it's this level of business suicide that pushed me away from GW as well. I buy my paints from Vallejo, my minis from anybody else, and terrain I make myself. Now people might say, hold on, you're bulk buying GW products here. And yeah, that's true. But consider this: If you're a business, would you rather have a customer spending £500 every two years on limited edition stuff, or that customer spending £50 a month in that same period (like what I used to do) Do the maths.
As much as I love Space Hulk, and I love it more than most people on this site! In fact I love it so much, I want to make love to it!
It still doesn't detract from what others have said: why make it limited edition? Why? Put it on general sale and make loads more money!
Instead, what you'll get is people like me buying half a dozen copies, sitting on them for 12 months, and then selling them off for vast sums of money, later on!
Damn you GW for making me do this
*3 copies.
On GWUK at least, you're restricted to 3 purchases per buyer.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well... my lad's seen the pics and asked for it for xmas. I can't afford it this month - but could next month when it will no doubt be sold out.
Net result:
My lad doesnt bother with GW stuff cos Santa couldn't bring it. I get to save money because the game was no longer available. I save even more money because my lad doesn't ask for paint sets, brushes etc. My lad doesn't go back to school after xmas telling his mates of a great game he got generating enthusiasm and even more purchases for GW from his mates and paint sets etc
But hey, GW do their market research and know best.
They clearly have a great long term plan in place for new customers. Oh.. wait...
Edit: and because GW have pee'd me off doing this, next time I need to buy paints I buy Army Painter ones instead of GW ones and put my future hobby money purchases to my growing Deadzone stuff instead of the latest GW releases.
You can probably get a copy of the rules off ebay or a PDF download online.
Buy a couple sets of Terminators/Assault Terminators and Space Marine Characters in Terminator armour; and a few boxes of Genestealers and a Broodlord.
Use GW terrain sets, or use some of the vastly cheaper terrain kits available online from 3rd party retailers.
In fact, some of those 3rd party terrain kits look far superior to GW's.
Treat it as a hobby project that you and your son can work on together.
As you'll be making your own Terminators, you can make them whatever Chapter you like. Space Wolves, Dark Angels - Death Wing, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists...What always put me off the most about Space Hulk was that the Terminators were Blood Angels, a chapter I don't particularly like. But if they were Raven Guard...
I just get somebody else to buy another 3 copies for me
As much as I love Space Hulk, and I love it more than most people on this site! In fact I love it so much, I want to make love to it!
It still doesn't detract from what others have said: why make it limited edition? Why? Put it on general sale and make loads more money!
Instead, what you'll get is people like me buying half a dozen copies, sitting on them for 12 months, and then selling them off for vast sums of money, later on!
Damn you GW for making me do this
It's all part of GW's master plan to milk the most amount of money out of the least amount of people.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
Yup, sold out. Luckily I entered my order on time. So let's hope my third party-seller actually got their hands on enough boxes. (According to their website they still have 18 left)
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: But consider this: If you're a business, would you rather have a customer spending £500 every two years on limited edition stuff, or that customer spending £50 a month in that same period (like what I used to do) Do the maths.
If I had a business, I would do both. Have a regular stock where people spend 50 a month on and every YEAR something limited which definitely sells.
They play it safe, they produce an amount they are confident that they will sell. And that's a good thing! Producing too many of it would be really expensive for them since they have their own shops. I'm pretty sure you don't have a business where you sell hobby toys to people?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Well, GW have once again managed to turn something good in to something bad.
it's a good game; the number produced doesn't affect that. The Limited Edition status quite possibly gets more sales, than one which isn't limited; the cachet, fear of missing out, makes people go for it now rather than waiting around and quite possibly forgetting about it.
The one valid criticism is that Space Hulk makes a great starter game to help recruit new players. Dark Vengeance is tired, we know their recruitment must suffer from the high price of entry, so they really need to pull something special out for the starter set. I can see box sets like Storm Claw doing well for them, if they produce more along those lines, but they still need a starter.
anyways, the feature in White Dwarf looks great (altho it would have been better if they knew how to spell "principal room,), can't wait for our copies. It seems to have sold out in about the same amount of time as Storm Claw, so wouldn't be surprised to see a few copies hanging around here and there.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Well, GW have once again managed to turn something good in to something bad.
it's a good game
Hence why I said "something good in to something bad"
The one valid criticism is that Space Hulk makes a great starter game to help recruit new players.
I wouldn't say that's the ONLY valid criticism. There'd be plenty of people who want the game but won't be able to get it before it sells out. Maybe they can't spare the money for an impulse buy, maybe they already bought something last week, maybe they didn't even know about it (if I didn't frequent forums, there's no way I would have known about it). I'm sure there's a lot of people who won't even hear about it until a week or more later and they'll be told "oh, you know Space Hulk got rereleased last week?" "Oh sweet! I wanted to pick that up and missed last time" "Yeah, it's sold out already".
Wow sold out already, guess that really was limited.
Against my better judgement I was gona buy a copy, thanks GW for sparing me from having that argument with the GF.
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: The Limited Edition status quite possibly gets more sales, than one which isn't limited; the cachet, fear of missing out, makes people go for it now rather than waiting around and quite possibly forgetting about it.
So did Space Hulk not make money before, then? When previous editions were available for longer than a day and were sold in big box stores to all kinds of people, as opposed to their own website and a handful of indies in strictly limited numbers to mostly clued-in tabletop nerds who read online forums?
Honestly I don't get it, and I don't think I ever will. There has to be some solution sitting somewhere between "Produce very strictly limited numbers of units and sell out near instantly", and "Produce so many damn units that we're still sitting on thousands of boxes months later and start losing money." As much as I'd like it to be, Space Hulk doesn't need to be a permanent part of their product range, but for feth's sake, it should really be available for longer than a day, don't you think?
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
I didn't set out to do that, but I doubled my money on my 2009 edition. I'll be keeping this one!
Drat, my pre-order with Wayland has just been cancelled. I knew I should have placed it yesterday instead of sleeping on it. :(
Edit: Or maybe it was because I used the combined 5% / free shipping code. Obviously the free shipping didn't apply but I did get £3.50 off the price. Its more likely that their allocated stock ran out, though.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
We will only allow customers to purchase one each, if someone orders more than one, the extra copies will get cancelled.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Call me crazy but it looks a lot like what PP did with their Level 7 game.....
Why does GW think its worth $100+ and make it stupidly limited?
Cuz honestly I have not bought anything from GW in over 3 years but this had me interested right up until I got to see the price
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Lol I just checked my Wayland account and it seems like I already placed an order last night, or at least I started an order. Never think about buying stuff at 2am folks!
Glad I decided to pull the trigger and pre-order mine.
There was people complaining that they wish they still sold Space Hulk in stores, and if it ever came back they'd buy it.
Then there was groans for this coming back. The people who scored a box through ebay or whatever, and paid more than full retail.
Now it's sold out and there are more groans.
I see lots of questions trying to make sense of GW's business strategies, and suggestions to do things better.
What I find funny, is all the fans ( customer base here ) who love to do the groaning, complaining, armchair quarter backing, day after day, year after year. It's not GW guys, it's all of you. Nothing will make you happy. GW could give away free minis, paints, or whatever, and you'd all still find a way to complain ( yes it's true! I can hear the argument of "It's way over due, shoulda done this a long time ago!" ).
Learn how to be happy fella's. Then ya'll might start enjoying the hobby again.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Actually, I do blame 'people' like you.
Its a free market. Suck it up.
If GW didn't artficially inflate demand by under supplying the market with a pitifully small production run, price gouging ebay touters wouldn't be a problem.
The one valid criticism is that Space Hulk makes a great starter game to help recruit new players.
It really doesn't. It presents a misleading idea as to what the game is. It would be like using HeroQuest as the "starter game" to recruit new players for Fantasy.
Does it get them interested in the background of the game universe? Possibly.
Does it get them excited about the models included? Possibly.
Does it actually help them start an army? Not a chance.
Dark Vengeance is tired, we know their recruitment must suffer from the high price of entry, so they really need to pull something special out for the starter set. I can see box sets like Storm Claw doing well for them, if they produce more along those lines, but they still need a starter.
Right...but Storm Claw was not really a "starter". It was a campaign themed box set.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Actually, I do blame 'people' like you.
Its a free market. Suck it up.
If GW didn't artficially inflate demand by under supplying the market with a pitifully small production run, price gouging ebay touters wouldn't be a problem.
Exactly. GW must be the only company on earth that thinks, hmm, we've got a popular product that's flying off the shelves. Let's stop making it
We've all heard of Reaganomics, so here's a new word for the English dictionary: KIRBY-NOMICS!
The reason it is flying off shelfs is nostalgia and artificial scarcity. I agree this will not grow the brand, but most corporations are more worried about short term profits. How many board members will still be with GW in 5 years? In ten?
Children are not buying $125 board games either. Its current adults like myself that grew up on GW games. Like it or not the table top market competes directly with video games. So you could buy 2 brand new peasant box games for the price of 1 x Space Hulk. Hope your Dad is a wargamer kid.
I can only imagine what a updated release of a long oop title like Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest, Mordhiem or Necromunda would bring in.
I hope at the very least this will show GW there is a place in the market for specialist games again beyond very limited releases every few years.
I'll rail on GW for price a lot, but this is $125 (US) for $110 worth of terminators, $20 Libby, $20 Broodlord, $70 genestealers, and all with superior sculpts to what is currently on market, as well as the game board stuff. So it's about half off what everything would be individually. As far as price goes, this is fairly reasonable. I don't think it's over priced at all. I do think keeping it secret and making it so only those of us who regularly have $100+ to blow at the drop of a hat can get it is daft, but price isn't a big deal. If they gave a month heads up...it would be totally fine.
And first person calling me a white knight A. doesn't know me, and B. gets the clamps.
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Actually, I do blame 'people' like you.
Its a free market. Suck it up.
If GW didn't artficially inflate demand by under supplying the market with a pitifully small production run, price gouging ebay touters wouldn't be a problem.
Exactly. GW must be the only company on earth that thinks, hmm, we've got a popular product that's flying off the shelves. Let's stop making it
We've all heard of Reaganomics, so here's a new word for the English dictionary: KIRBY-NOMICS!
We have a donut store in my town that is only open 4 days a week. There is always a line and once they sell out thats it for the day. I have a friend that designs and prints t-shirts. He purposely does not keep all designs in stock. Stock sitting in a warehouse actually is costing a retailer money. Artificial scarcity to create demand is a well known sales tactic that works, short term.
I think GW's sculpts and casting quality is are very good. I love the designs,art, and background fluff. But I rarely buy new GW products because they are over priced to me compared to other games/minis. If Zi buy GW stuff it isn't direct and rarely new. I picked up a copy of Bolt Action starter set with 40 minis, a ruined farm house terrain piece, rule book, dice for $77 USD shipped.
tgmoore wrote: Children are not buying $125 board games either. Its current adults like myself that grew up on GW games. Like it or not the table top market competes directly with video games. So you could buy 2 brand new peasant box games for the price of 1 x Space Hulk. Hope your Dad is a wargamer kid.
I bought the 2nd edition Space Hulk game with money earned from doing chores and such as, ummm, I guess I would have been 11. It took me a while to earn the money to get it... but luckily it wasn't on the shelves for 30 seconds before selling out and GW prices were more reasonable so I could actually save up and get it
AH well, it is pretty crappy that they let you buy three copies at a time, i bet a good chunk of GW sales was the resellers with this game.
Must admit, I was very tempted to buy six or nine !
timetowaste85 wrote: I'll rail on GW for price a lot, but this is $125 (US) for $110 worth of terminators, $20 Libby, $20 Broodlord, $70 genestealers, and all with superior sculpts to what is currently on market, as well as the game board stuff. So it's about half off what everything would be individually. As far as price goes, this is fairly reasonable. I don't think it's over priced at all. I do think keeping it secret and making it so only those of us who regularly have $100+ to blow at the drop of a hat can get it is daft, but price isn't a big deal. If they gave a month heads up...it would be totally fine.
And first person calling me a white knight A. doesn't know me, and B. gets the clamps.
The key problem is not the price, but the fact that it sold out in less than a day.
timetowaste85 wrote: I'll rail on GW for price a lot, but this is $125 (US) for $110 worth of terminators, $20 Libby, $20 Broodlord, $70 genestealers, and all with superior sculpts to what is currently on market, as well as the game board stuff. So it's about half off what everything would be individually.
The problem with that assessment, is that it is based off of what GW themselves tell you those models are worth. Just because GW sells Terminators for $50 a box, doesn't mean they really are worth that much.
Folks, do not completely despair over the fact that it is sold out from their website. This has been their tactic for some time with limited products: only very small number is reserved for direct order, which predictably sell out quickly, this causes people to panic and rush out to any other source to find a copy and buy it.
Even Dreadfleet sold out pretty quickly from their webstore. Then unsold copies languished out in gaming stores for months...and Stormclaw, which sold out super-quick, my FLGS has like six unsold copies.
Backfire wrote: Folks, do not completely despair over the fact that it is sold out from their website. This has been their tactic for some time with limited products: only very small number is reserved for direct order, which predictably sell out quickly, this causes people to panic and rush out to any other source to find a copy and buy it.
Even Dreadfleet sold out pretty quickly from their webstore. Then unsold copies languished out in gaming stores for months...and Stormclaw, which sold out super-quick, my FLGS has like six unsold copies.
I think my area must have an over abundance of enthusiasts because I very often see things sell out within a day of release. I never even saw a copy of Stormclaw despite going to my FLGS and my local GW store the day after it was released, they both sold out on the first day. The Imperial Knight was gone within minutes of opening on Saturday morning.
The only reason I hold any hope for Space Hulk is that it costs $190AUD which may put it out of the reach of some impulse buyers. But then I myself am not sure I'm willing to pay that much for it anyway
My store still has 2 copies of Stormclaw and it draws the largest 40k crowd I've seen in a lot of stores.
I'm glad to see "blame the fans, not the company" is still alive and well. Remember, the fans pay the bills, not the other way around. The latest financial details aren't "armchair investors" talking but pretty easy to follow sets of data that say GW ain't doin' so hot.
TheKbob wrote: My store still has 2 copies of Stormclaw and it draws the largest 40k crowd I've seen in a lot of stores.
The funny thing is... I never see a lot of people in my local GW and the local FLGS has a lot of people but it's mostly non-40k players, so I don't know who's going out and buying up all this junk But I asked the owner of the local GW and he had several copies of Stormclaw and they all sold out super fast... he bought 2 himself. He also bought 4 Knights himself (though only 1 at launch). So maybe that's the problem, the store owner is an addict who buys all his own stock
angelofvengeance wrote: It's kind of annoying that they let folks buy 3 copies at a time. All they're gonna do with it is bung it on eBay and jack the price up.
Guilty as charged
Seriously, though, don't blame people like me - blame GW's idiotic sales policy that puts a hugely popular game on a limited sale.
I'm doing the same thing I did with dreadfleet: buy a few copies, paint them up, sell them on some time next summer, make some cash.
Actually, I do blame 'people' like you.
Its a free market. Suck it up.
If GW didn't artficially inflate demand by under supplying the market with a pitifully small production run, price gouging ebay touters wouldn't be a problem.
What's pitifully small the o' great seer? By my rough estimation thats over 500 pallets of games which is a big commitment of resources and space.
The last run they made of Spulk was 70,000 units.
I would assume that this one is the same or maybe a bit more.
No other manufacturer will make similar speciality games in these numbers. The only ones that will come close are Kickstarter backed games with the capital up front. Zombiecide 3 had 12,000 backers for example.
No not artificial scarcity but massive popularity vs the need to keep risk of further cost exposure to a minimum.
That this happen while turnover is dropping is commendable as it does represent a risk, something that GW have been shying away from with their products.
Just about got an order in on time. The set will probably go away for Christmas, but Icestorm will tide me over until then. Do glad to have managed to get a copy after 5 years of wanting it.
Garukadon wrote: Glad I decided to pull the trigger and pre-order mine.
There was people complaining that they wish they still sold Space Hulk in stores, and if it ever came back they'd buy it.
Then there was groans for this coming back. The people who scored a box through ebay or whatever, and paid more than full retail.
Now it's sold out and there are more groans.
I see lots of questions trying to make sense of GW's business strategies, and suggestions to do things better.
What I find funny, is all the fans ( customer base here ) who love to do the groaning, complaining, armchair quarter backing, day after day, year after year. It's not GW guys, it's all of you. Nothing will make you happy. GW could give away free minis, paints, or whatever, and you'd all still find a way to complain ( yes it's true! I can hear the argument of "It's way over due, shoulda done this a long time ago!" ).
Learn how to be happy fella's. Then ya'll might start enjoying the hobby again.
Personally it's not a groan. I truly would like to own a copy of this game. It looks cool and would probably have gotten me back into the universe of 40k for a bit anyway. At the price they are asking I will have to say no thanks, at the sheer stupidity of a limited release I won't even have the time to talk myself info it and save up some cash.
I guess I'll get something like Super Dungeon Hero's for $35 less.
Saw it was unable to pre order online so swung by my local GW after work today, turns out he can't even put one aside for me because demand has been so high, guess I'll just wait another 5 or so years before it's re re released.
This "limited edition" malarkey they have going on is just plain ridiculous, why not make a special limited edition on with added bonuses and release the standard one for long term sales like they did with DV?
Misery loves company has never been truer as it is here on this site. "Please let me gripe and complain, even though it won't change much, but it'll make me feel better..." . And it's in the hopes that others who are down and depressed like them will join them in their misery and cry in their beers.
GW is not a perfect business, yes they can do better. If they never do, oh well, it's not worth tirelessly complaining about. If your so hell bent on change, do something about it besides coming on here and trying to prove your points over and over and over and over... We get it, your not happy. Guess what, find something that does make you happy.
Try this. The next time you make a purchase, try to recognize if it causes remorse, guilt, or dissatisfaction. If your purchase doesn't make you feel good about your decision, than something is wrong. Like I said, go find something that makes you happy. Continuing to do something and expecting a different result.. "One day this hobby will make me happy..." . And if you find yourself constantly coming back to this site to complain... Well guys, it's time to move on. I speak for myself and maybe others if they want, but I get the message. I got it like last year.
No one cares if your dissatisfied. I"m just trying to enjoy my hobby, come here to enhance it, learn something new, see what other hobbyists are doing. It's not GW that is ruining my experience, it's the constant complaining and oh poor is me attitudes. Time to get it together fellas, really.
Garukadon wrote: Misery loves company has never been truer as it is here on this site. "Please let me gripe and complain, even though it won't change much, but it'll make me feel better..." . And it's in the hopes that others who are down and depressed like them will join them in their misery and cry in their beers.
GW is not a perfect business, yes they can do better. If they never do, oh well, it's not worth tirelessly complaining about. If your so hell bent on change, do something about it besides coming on here and trying to prove your points over and over and over and over... We get it, your not happy. Guess what, find something that does make you happy.
Try this. The next time you make a purchase, try to recognize if it causes remorse, guilt, or dissatisfaction. If your purchase doesn't make you feel good about your decision, than something is wrong. Like I said, go find something that makes you happy. Continuing to do something and expecting a different result.. "One day this hobby will make me happy..." . And if you find yourself constantly coming back to this site to complain... Well guys, it's time to move on. I speak for myself and maybe others if they want, but I get the message. I got it like last year.
No one cares if your dissatisfied. I"m just trying to enjoy my hobby, come here to enhance it, learn something new, see what other hobbyists are doing. It's not GW that is ruining my experience, it's the constant complaining and oh poor is me attitudes. Time to get it together fellas, really.
Which would be a valid point on most of the "antiGW" threads on GW, but this thread seemed to be people full of enthusiasm for a GW product - it's just been made in such short supply, they can't get it.
Surely a company with a brain would happily sell out then make another much smaller production run, followed by another if there was still demand. In that run up to xmas it would make an excellent present. Shame they won't. Such poor sighted management.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?
I think they made about 15k for the US and about 45k worldwide and did 70-80k on the last print run.
I can already feel so many wargamers out there fuming when they were doing something else Friday evening, got up late Saturday morning, checked the GW website some time in the afternoon, almost creamed themselves at the big SPACE HULK ad decorating the page, read a little into it, got super excited and happy that they checked the GW page on Saturday and not a couple days later, thinking they're one of the early birds, then looked at the preorder button... and....the product is out of stock even 1 week before its release date.
Saletime didn't even last 24 hours.
I feel extra glad about how I was able to secure mine in time
I think they made about 15k for the US and about 45k worldwide and did 70-80k on the last print run.
I recall number of 100k circulated in 2009, and 50 to 60k for Dreadfleet.
I really hope they made enough this time that others than eBay scalpers can get their hands on it too, but I remain fearful.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?
I think they probably made between 50-80k copies. I think there is zero chance they made only 1000. A print run that limited would drive the manufacturing costs way too high. I think if they expected to only sell 1000, or even less than 10,000 they would bother with the release. I think for this to make a difference on the quarterly finances they must churn out way more than 1000.
I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?
I think they probably made between 50-80k copies. I think there is zero chance they made only 1000. A print run that limited would drive the manufacturing costs way too high. I think if they expected to only sell 1000, or even less than 10,000 they would bother with the release. I think for this to make a difference on the quarterly finances they must churn out way more than 1000.
OK, so I wasn't literally correct. I guess I had in mind the numbers of units for other Limited Edition products, like the Ltd Ed Codicies, that actually listed the numbers still available ("1000..900...500...100...Less than 100 remaining!") and made the assumption it was the same with this new Ltd Ed Space Hulk.
But my point is still valid - the actual print run was pitifully inadequate with regards to the huge demand, given that it sold out in a matter of hours. Whatever the actual print number, GW is deliberately under supplying the market when it could sell maybe 2 or 3 times as much if only it produced enough units.
If anybody at GW has any business sense, they'll immediately be ordering a 2nd print run in time for Xmas.
In fact, they should do this every year, reprinting the game as long as the demand remains, and only reduce the print run or stop altogether when the demand begins to drop,
If they couldn't make enough or were worried about storing the extra boxes, they should have just waited for this lot to sell out and then put out another release so people can actually buy it, they just have to wait a bit longer.
So... space hulks doing really well Its good to see they're getting over how crap Dreadfleet went for them.
Who'd absolutely love to see updated versions of all the classic games... gorkamorka, necromunda, morheim, hero quest maybe (although there is the gamezone one)
I think they could really bump their moneys with projects like this churned out at a suitable pace.
I'd go nuts for a refreshing of the mordheim franchise, even if it was just temporary and limited.
HairySticks wrote: So... space hulks doing really well Its good to see they're getting over how crap Dreadfleet went for them.
Who'd absolutely love to see updated versions of all the classic games... gorkamorka, necromunda, morheim, hero quest maybe (although there is the gamezone one)
I think they could really bump their moneys with projects like this churned out at a suitable pace.
I'd go nuts for a refreshing of the mordheim franchise, even if it was just temporary and limited.
Agreed.
As big as a fan I am of Space hulk, nearly all the other classic games had much better rules.
Shame that people missed out on getting this. It's a really fun game. I managed to get a copy in the last release and I'm very fond of it.
As to E Bay scalpers, you can defend your POV by saying "GW made it limited! It's not my fault!" but I still think buying up multiple copies to sell later for profit is a bit greedy. Especially if you already own Space Hulk. "Free Market" doesn't mean whatever you do is right.
Sir Arun wrote: I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.
I think it was more like 10-20k
really ???
I find it hard to believe that someone coudn't fork this amount, if he really want to buy it. With the widespread diffusion of credit card, most persons in occident are able to get this kind of amount really easily.
Well its not direct only so that means that if it does sell out that is only the web allotment, not what stores get. I suspect it will be just like last time. Copies floating around for months.
GW just slapped on the "strictly limited" buzz title on it so it sells more.
Hah, I would likely have purchased this if I had stumbled upon it in a store, but there is no way I'm buying something like this second hand at an inflated price.
This could have been the only product I would have purchased from GW this year, now they won't see my money at all. I really don't get their way of marketing and production. It makes no sense to me.
Has Space Hulk always been Blood Angel Terminators?? Was the original version Dark Angel (Deathwing) terms or am I just making that up??
I sort of had in my head that the current version had DA Terms in it too and as I'm currently in full Dark Angels mood with my Orks bust gathering dust I thought about buying a Space Hulk box just for the cool models, but as they are BA, I'm kind of meh about the whole thing and not really bothered about it selling out.
But my point is still valid - the actual print run was pitifully inadequate with regards to the huge demand, given that it sold out in a matter of hours. Whatever the actual print number, GW is deliberately under supplying the market when it could sell maybe 2 or 3 times as much if only it produced enough units.
If anybody at GW has any business sense, they'll immediately be ordering a 2nd print run in time for Xmas.
Lets wait & see how the GW stores and independents do with Space Hulk before condemning GW: I remind again that Dreadfleet 'sold out' too (although it took a week or so). Just not that many are allocated to direct order, to create illusion of scarcity and make people rush for other channels to see if some are still available. Given the huge buying orgasm the gaming community had with 2009 edition (and it was rumoured they took a second print run and explained it as "warehousing error..."), I don't believe they would have made this one in pitifully small numbers.
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Nuclear Mekanik wrote: Has Space Hulk always been Blood Angel Terminators?? Was the original version Dark Angel (Deathwing) terms or am I just making that up??
No, it was BA, but there was a Deathing expansion. Anyway, it should be quite easy to transform DV Terminators to Space Hulk and voilá, Deathwing Space Hulk!
ISTR that Space Crusade also had Blood Angels as poster boys?
It would be totally awesome if next edition of Space Hulk had Imperial Fists or Ultramarines termies...
Sir Arun wrote: I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.
I think it was more like 10-20k
really ???
I find it hard to believe that someone coudn't fork this amount, if he really want to buy it. With the widespread diffusion of credit card, most persons in occident are able to get this kind of amount really easily.
Indeed £75 really isn't allot of money...if you have a job.
Yup, loving all these "oh noes it sold out well screw you GW I aint leaving the house to go to a bricks and mortar GW next Saturday and buy one in person".
Haters gonna hate, the rest of us knew this was coming and preordered it and will enjoy it/profit from it depending on motivation. I missed 2009 so great chance to get it with extras, and £75 is less than I pay to park my car every month at work....
TwilightSparkles wrote: Yup, loving all these "oh noes it sold out well screw you GW I aint leaving the house to go to a bricks and mortar GW next Saturday and buy one in person".
Haters gonna hate, the rest of us knew this was coming and preordered it and will enjoy it/profit from it depending on motivation. I missed 2009 so great chance to get it with extras, and £75 is less than I pay to park my car every month at work....
The worst posts are those "Oh, I missed a limited release. Now I will totally not buy anything GW-related for the next year!"
That's not really believable if you are freaking out because you couldn't throw money at them.
I also missed the last release and I'd love those BA-Terminators, having the game is just a nice bonus and the Tyranids I will share with my Xenos-friend.
So the first thing I did is go to a reseller and order one. (Looks like he still has 16 left for 80 euro)
For a lot of people, there isn't a convenient "bricks and mortar store" within easy travel distance. When I was a kid the nearest GW was 160km away, I only ever got to go there once.
Other people have demanding schedules that don't leave much time for shopping for leisure goods.
In the end, if there is a substantial number of people who wanted the game and didn't get it, GW lost out on some profit. More fool them.
If there are a substantial number of people who wanted the game and didn't get it, BUT GW sold a gakload of games because people who might not otherwise have got it did get it because they were worried they wouldn't be able to later... which is the point of doing limited releases... then I'd say everything went according to plan, tbh.
Besides which, as has been stated, there'll be copies floating around and honestly it took a good 24 hours to sell out from what I can tell - it was no blink-and-you-miss-it shield generator anyway - so if people were set on getting it but couldn't, I'm struggling to see how/why
As to E Bay scalpers, you can defend your POV by saying "GW made it limited! It's not my fault!" but I still think buying up multiple copies to sell later for profit is a bit greedy. Especially if you already own Space Hulk. "Free Market" doesn't mean whatever you do is right.
timetowaste85 wrote: I'll rail on GW for price a lot, but this is $125 (US) for $110 worth of terminators, $20 Libby, $20 Broodlord, $70 genestealers, and all with superior sculpts to what is currently on market, as well as the game board stuff. So it's about half off what everything would be individually.
The problem with that assessment, is that it is based off of what GW themselves tell you those models are worth. Just because GW sells Terminators for $50 a box, doesn't mean they really are worth that much.
I know. And those prices are dropped by resellers to almost reasonable. Almost. They're still a fantastic value for unique sculpts compared to their counterparts.
I do agree that the lack of time is an issue. But cost really isn't.
TwilightSparkles wrote: How does anyone figure it's overpriced? Each to their own but it isn't IMO. Not when the figures are all unique poses stead of 10 identical ones multiplied out etc
Well, yeah I know the whole GW price complaints are a bit tiresome. But I mean really, this is a board game.
I have a real job and a big family to support. We buy fun things and of course things that are not exactly necessary, but when I'm buying some toys for me, I have a hard time justifying to myself, much less anyone else in the family spending that much on a board game.
Yes there's a grip of models in there, yes they are pretty. But they are still little plastic men.
I have to agree with what Tannhauser42 posted, just because GW tells you terminators are worth something, doesn't mean they are. Totally agree.
That said, the market is obviously right since people are paying that price, but I just won't. It isn't going to change. I still love my hobby, but I am balking at the prices of all of these kits and at the fact that people aren't.
...That said, the market is obviously right since people are paying that price, but I just won't. It isn't going to change. I still love my hobby, but I am balking at the prices of all of these kits and at the fact that people aren't...
There are loads of board games right now that you could compare these against. The market price for a miniatures board game of this caliber runs between $75-100 (on Kickstarter, they're almost all at the $100 price point because that's what works for KS).
That doesn't mean that it works for everyone, and GW is going a little above the market standard (which is their MO). But miniatures board games generally do cost around a hundred bucks.
If you find Space Hulk too expensive there is plenty of choice on the market.
If you compare it with Runewars and Twilight Imperium III, you get fewer models in Space Hulk but they are larger and more detailed (and compatible with 40K). IDK how much weight of parts overall those three games have and I am not climbing into my attic to weight them.
The price is about the same for all three games.
There are cheaper miniature boardgames like Gears of War and Super Dungeon Explore, which have less stuff in them, and there are even cheaper games like Carcassone and Ticket to Ride, that basically are pure board games with some solid playing pieces for pawns.
The key selling point of Space Hulk is that it is based in the 40K background. You could easily take the rules -- they are very simple -- and make your own version much cheaper using any models you wanted. Substitute Viet Cong for the Genestealers and US Marines for the Terminators and set it in the tunnels of Cu Chi.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.
Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?
Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?
The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?
I think they probably made between 50-80k copies. I think there is zero chance they made only 1000. A print run that limited would drive the manufacturing costs way too high. I think if they expected to only sell 1000, or even less than 10,000 they would bother with the release. I think for this to make a difference on the quarterly finances they must churn out way more than 1000.
OK, so I wasn't literally correct. I guess I had in mind the numbers of units for other Limited Edition products, like the Ltd Ed Codicies, that actually listed the numbers still available ("1000..900...500...100...Less than 100 remaining!") and made the assumption it was the same with this new Ltd Ed Space Hulk.
But my point is still valid - the actual print run was pitifully inadequate with regards to the huge demand, given that it sold out in a matter of hours. Whatever the actual print number, GW is deliberately under supplying the market when it could sell maybe 2 or 3 times as much if only it produced enough units.
If anybody at GW has any business sense, they'll immediately be ordering a 2nd print run in time for Xmas.
In fact, they should do this every year, reprinting the game as long as the demand remains, and only reduce the print run or stop altogether when the demand begins to drop,
Newsflash: Wouldn't make it here by Christmas. Probably a minimum of 6 months of lead time. Original game took 12 months.
Besides which, as has been stated, there'll be copies floating around and honestly it took a good 24 hours to sell out from what I can tell - it was no blink-and-you-miss-it shield generator anyway - so if people were set on getting it but couldn't, I'm struggling to see how/why
if it's sold out before someone is aware of it, the only thing they can do is fork out for the ebay prices, and they may not want to pay that much.
Besides which, as has been stated, there'll be copies floating around and honestly it took a good 24 hours to sell out from what I can tell - it was no blink-and-you-miss-it shield generator anyway - so if people were set on getting it but couldn't, I'm struggling to see how/why
if it's sold out before someone is aware of it, the only thing they can do is fork out for the ebay prices, and they may not want to pay that much.
Why do people continue to make these kind of statements? GW stores in the US had copies of the 2009 edition as far as the new year. This will be no different.
The only reason it's sold out on the web store is because they shorted the amount of copies available for sale through the web store. It's sort of an underhanded way to drive up demand, not an actual glimpse of reality.
And, as I said, not everyone has a GW store near them that they can access. Web orders (or in the old days Mail Order) are a major part of the hobby for a lot of people.
Da Boss wrote: And, as I said, not everyone has a GW store near them that they can access. Web orders (or in the old days Mail Order) are a major part of the hobby for a lot of people.
Yeah? So what? Order it from your local shop or a web shop then. Plenty of people are doing just that. Every game shop I know of has been ordering them for their stock.
This frantic "Ermagherd its sold out" is just artificial hype which is what GW does best to sell their overpriced toy soldiers.
I'm tempted to just wait a bit and see if I can get the rulebooks of ebay, I wonder how much I'd need to add to my 2nd edition SH set to make it work with this 3.1 edition.
EDIT: Just noticed tilesets for 3rd edition are dirt cheap on ebay. I guess that settles it, I won't bother with this release of SH, just get the rules and tileset and use my existing stealers and Terminators. The Terminators are nice models but as I don't collect BA they are going to get pushed to the bottom of the painting pile and probably never get painted. I would like the stealers but I'm not paying that much to get them.
Breotan wrote: There will be copies at local GW stores well into the new year. Same as in the 2009 release.
That they had an articifially low amount available on their webstore this time around is not but an assumption. People said it'll be just like 2009 when it was two weeks or so on the webstore from what I've heard. Yeah, it lasted less than 24 hours this time in Europe. Online retailer preorders in Europe are pretty much sold out as well after less than 48 hours. Really want to keep assuming it's just like 2009? Things have changed since 2009, not just at GW but among the hobbyists as well. Sure, some individual stores here and there might have copies laying around "into the new year", but those are likely to be the exceptions and not very useful to most people.
Visceral_Mass wrote: Are those Space Hulk data files only readable on apple devices?
So far yes. I imagine they'll come out with the eBook versions later.
Breotan wrote: There will be copies at local GW stores well into the new year. Same as in the 2009 release.
That they had an articifially low amount available on their webstore this time around is not but an assumption. People said it'll be just like 2009 when it was two weeks or so on the webstore from what I've heard. Yeah, it lasted less than 24 hours this time in Europe.
Actually in 2009 it lasted about four days in webstore - though I recall it briefly came back as a result of 'warehousing error'...
Actually in 2009 it lasted about four days in webstore - though I recall it briefly came back as a result of 'warehousing error'...
I see. Well, regardless, I do hope that the game remains available for a longer time, but the sad fact of the matter is that even if it remains available in some stores, there will be people who are nowhere near those stores that can't procure a copy other than second-hand, and that's unfortunate. But it is what it is, I guess.
Anyway, can't wait to see the models in person. Then I can better evaluate how tricky it'll be (for my "skillset") to convert them to BT or perhaps some as CF as well. When I first saw the models online in late 2012 or so, I've wanted them ever since. Now the wait is finally nearly over!
I have never been much of a board games guy. I play many different table top games, but I have barely ever played any real board games (besides monopoly I guess). I figured that this could be an entry game of some sort, but I'll never get it at inflated prices. The X-COM board game might turn out to be interesting however.
There are loads of good boardgames. The great thing about them is being self-contained, compared to a tabletop ruleset, usually cheaper, and quicker to set up.
Of course they are also more limited with their scenarios.
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I saw an auction on Ebay for just the terminators which had started before the rumours came out. Bidding was at £80 - ouch.
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