Not sure if it means anything, but the finecast autarch is showing as sold out on the GW site, international section.

Might be a coincidence-here in Aus it's still available on the GW site

For the work-blocked, I made a few pictures of the trailer

That was an adorable attempt at a jump scare, though. "Ooh, scary clown...now it's COMINGATYOUOMFG!"

 Kosake wrote:

 Flood wrote:
Well, I'm up early. Don't see it posted so here's the GW Harlie teaser, coming 30th Jan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2fDbwoBUE

Looking forward to painting some after my buddy buys them all in a space-elf-clown-frenzy (however few or many that turns out to be).

Holy maccaroni. This is even worse than the last GW videos i've seen. Seriously, are they just putting bored interns on the job?

One thing's sure, Harlequins are coming. Though I feel it's kind of strange that Necrons (a full faction) only get what? A new dex and one HQ model, while this subfaction here that consists of what? HQ + 1 unit? gets a codex. Well, at least not even more space marine stuff...

Necrons do have a large range anyway ( Not that they don't deserve more kits they do new warriors and flayed ones spring to mind ) .

 Kosake wrote:

 Flood wrote:
Well, I'm up early. Don't see it posted so here's the GW Harlie teaser, coming 30th Jan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2fDbwoBUE

Looking forward to painting some after my buddy buys them all in a space-elf-clown-frenzy (however few or many that turns out to be).

Holy maccaroni. This is even worse than the last GW videos i've seen. Seriously, are they just putting bored interns on the job?

One thing's sure, Harlequins are coming. Though I feel it's kind of strange that Necrons (a full faction) only get what? A new dex and one HQ model, while this subfaction here that consists of what? HQ + 1 unit? gets a codex. Well, at least not even more space marine stuff...

Besides the few Finecast models (all HQ related) they have, Necrons are pretty much up-to-date. IIRC they were ones that got a full make-over before the switch to 6th edition, so it wouldn't make much sense if they got new stuff already. They already had their own flyers too so yeah, what they should do is pack necrons warriors with the new bases. The normal 28mm bases really aren't that good for them.

As far as GW teasers go, it was pretty effective. I mean, no beating around the bush here: Next week is Harlis. 100% confirmed.

Yeah, I guess it did what it needed to do. I kinda like harlequins, always thought they were interesting models since the first day I saw them, but I'm a little sour about all this because it's pretty obvious now why they weren't in the Dark Eldar codex anymore. If I wanted to use a squad or two now I have to buy another $50 codex to ally them in.

No leaked pics yet except that one guy? :/

 Sidstyler wrote:
If I wanted to use a squad or two now I have to buy another $50 codex to ally them in.

You people and your moral dilemmas...

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
If I wanted to use a squad or two now I have to buy another $50 codex to ally them in.

You people and your moral dilemmas...

I can't imagine trying to explain this sort of my purchase to my gf.

"No see, I needed to spend another $50 because I needed the rules for this unit. Yes, just the one unit. No, the others use a different book. Why don't they all use the same book? Well, they used to...but baby, this is 7th edition we're talking about!"

 Accolade wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
If I wanted to use a squad or two now I have to buy another $50 codex to ally them in.

You people and your moral dilemmas...

I can't imagine trying to explain this sort of my purchase to my gf.

"No see, I needed to spend another $50 because I needed the rules for this unit. Yes, just the one unit. No, the others use a different book. Why don't they all use the same book? Well, they used to...but baby, this is 7th edition we're talking about!"

White Dwarf might give you enough rules to get by....might.

alphaecho wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
If I wanted to use a squad or two now I have to buy another $50 codex to ally them in.

You people and your moral dilemmas...

I can't imagine trying to explain this sort of my purchase to my gf.

"No see, I needed to spend another $50 because I needed the rules for this unit. Yes, just the one unit. No, the others use a different book. Why don't they all use the same book? Well, they used to...but baby, this is 7th edition we're talking about!"

White Dwarf might give you enough rules to get by....might.

If they are nice enough, they may replay what they did with the Imperial Knights. The rules were in the WD as I'm almost sure it was mentioned already. The codex was almost a "nice to have" for nuts like me who wanted the pretty hard-cover book.

I intended to imply that there exist alternate ways to obtain the rules... WD is actually a nice option if not the only one.

 SarisKhan wrote:
I intended to imply that there exist alternate ways to obtain the rules... WD is actually a nice option if not the only one.

Oh I got you, SarisKhan, I was just grumbling about the general "less-for-more" that seems to be the trend with these GW rules.


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 Sidstyler wrote:
That was an adorable attempt at a jump scare, though. "Ooh, scary clown...now it's COMINGATYOUOMFG!"

This killed me btw

You guys! It's happening! If the rules aren't in WD or downloadable, I'm just gonna make them up.

Can someone just leak the pictures already?

The lack of pictures just makes me think that leaks are basically authorized by GW

Now I have to decide if i need to use the larger bases The DJ and SS I picked up last week.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As far as GW teasers go, it was pretty effective. I mean, no beating around the bush here: Next week is Harlis. 100% confirmed.

Plus y'know. It's advertising for PLASTIC MODEL SOLDIERS not a summer blockbuster movie. Doesn't need to be super fancy.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As far as GW teasers go, it was pretty effective. I mean, no beating around the bush here: Next week is Harlis. 100% confirmed.

Plus y'know. It's advertising for PLASTIC MODEL SOLDIERS not a summer blockbuster movie. Doesn't need to be super fancy.

Well, some of the previous teasers have been a black background, some fog, and a scream and slash sound, and then a date, which doesn't really tell you anything about the product at all (Tyranids? Assassins? Necrons? Chaos? Heck, Space Marines? ....Tau??)

This one was good, it had a picture of what it actually was. So I liked it.

 Accolade wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As far as GW teasers go, it was pretty effective. I mean, no beating around the bush here: Next week is Harlis. 100% confirmed.

Plus y'know. It's advertising for PLASTIC MODEL SOLDIERS not a summer blockbuster movie. Doesn't need to be super fancy.

Well, some of the previous teasers have been a black background, some fog, and a scream and slash sound, and then a date, which doesn't really tell you anything about the product at all (Tyranids? Assassins? Necrons? Chaos? Heck, Space Marines? ....Tau??)

This one was good, it had a picture of what it actually was. So I liked it.

Tau used a picture of a Crisis Suit I believe... They're all fairly obvious usually. Don't remember the Tyranids one, but I remember knowing it couldn't have been anything other than Tyranids.

angelofvengeance wrote:Doesn't need to be super fancy.

With GW pretending to be a super premium brand, it does...if they want us to actually believe that, anyway. Anything less just makes it look like they don't really give a crap about their own product, or that there really isn't anything worth getting excited about.

But that's just my opinion.


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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Tau used a picture of a Crisis Suit I believe... They're all fairly obvious usually.

Riptide, actually. It wasn't actually that bad, and was one of the last teasers I remember getting a fairly positive reaction (until someone pointed out that GW basically ripped off a trailer for Armored Core, but you know...)

They did close-up shots of the model and then ended it with the sound of a reactor powering up and one of the lenses glowing red. Yeah, not really "super fancy" either, but at least you saw a fething model. And you know, they tried. Wouldn't have had the same impact if it was just blue smoke with some crappy artwork of a riptide flying at you in a split-second.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As far as GW teasers go, it was pretty effective. I mean, no beating around the bush here: Next week is Harlis. 100% confirmed.

Plus y'know. It's advertising for PLASTIC MODEL SOLDIERS not a summer blockbuster movie. Doesn't need to be super fancy.

Well, some of the previous teasers have been a black background, some fog, and a scream and slash sound, and then a date, which doesn't really tell you anything about the product at all (Tyranids? Assassins? Necrons? Chaos? Heck, Space Marines? ....Tau??)

This one was good, it had a picture of what it actually was. So I liked it.

Tau used a picture of a Crisis Suit I believe... They're all fairly obvious usually. Don't remember the Tyranids one, but I remember knowing it couldn't have been anything other than Tyranids.

They're usually obvious, but I think they should always try to show something related to the actual product. I'm having a hard time finding the previews now, but I remember at least the Wood Elf one showed a Bretonnian men-at-arms model in a dark forest and then you heard rustling of trees and an attack. Now, we all knew it was the Wood Elves since it had been rumored so heavily and they were just about to be released, but it could have easily have been Chaos or beastmen or something else.

I guess what I'm getting at is I like an actual picture of something related to the release, be it a full model or some piece of art, something that says "HARLEQUINS ARE COMING" like this teaser did.

Warhams-77 wrote:
For the work-blocked, I made a few pictures of the trailer

That is one heck of a schnoz... my lord... he can probably smell chaos coming miles away! I hope the models don't incorporate heroic scaled noses.

From the very tiny picture we have it seems like it.

They'd better get Acute Senses.

Pics on Grot Orderly... I can't see them (blocked)

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GrotOrderly/~3/RlTpJ-yXCN8/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html

Sweet!

Black and white though...

Nice, thanks. I will add them to first post

The trooper leaders pose is really odd.

Ok.

Dedicated transports. What the heck is a starweaver??

Looks like a book is coming out, Id guess. Enigmas of the Black Library seems to indicate a book specific gear list.

oh, and I LOVE that solitaire! I will be running one every game!!

Beautiful models, fantastic rules. Still need to know ehat a starweaver is though

wow. The Solitaire rumor was true.

And most important in there

the Troupe can take a Starweaver as a dedicated transport

which suggest there is a vehicle to come

Black and white?!

Well, at least they weren't taken during an earthquake.

Photos week 1 releases - from Grotorderly blog http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html

http://img244.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380787657_20150127_183138_122_77lo.jpg
http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380789353_20150127_183148_122_187lo.jpg
http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380785751_20150127_183126_122_185lo.jpg
http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380790296_20150127_183214_122_874lo.jpg

Solitaire
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=238079335_20150127_183225_122_217lo.jpg

http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380794835_20150127_183333_122_185lo.jpg
http://img268.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380796619_20150127_183347_122_8lo.jpg
http://img253.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380798990_20150127_183358_122_494lo.jpg
http://img258.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380801802_20150127_183404_122_184lo.jpg
http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380804858_20150127_183425_122_226lo.jpg

If someone can tell me how to IMG them I will, not working with these links. Great miniatures by the way - if this quality continues with all Harlequin release we are up to some awesome weeks

Hm. The models are very well done, but maybe lack a bit of soul compared to the old ones.

Starweaver - could just be a Venom with some extra bitz provided on the Troupe sprue. Like neuro cannons instead of splinters, that kind of thing. But that's just me guessing.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And most important in there

the Troupe can take a Starweaver as a dedicated transport

which suggest there is a vehicle to come

We knew that already, it has two build options, one is a Heavy Support unit

Warhams-77 wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
And most important in there

the Troupe can take a Starweaver as a dedicated transport

which suggest there is a vehicle to come

We knew that already, it has two build options, one is a Heavy Support unit

I believe his point is that we have solid confirmation now.

I'd seen rumors, but this is 'official' (and we've certainly seen rumours fail even within a week of a release)

No Death Jesters?

Not yet anyway.

Yet. This is week 1. We have jetbikes, vehicles and other characters to come.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd seen rumors, but this is 'official' (and we've certainly seen rumours fail even within a week of a release)

True!

As for the Starweaver I have to assume its a seperate kit (or parts possibly come in the jetbike kit to upgrade a venom) logic for this is the rules arent leaked, therefore arent in this weeks WD. If the bits came with the Troupe kit surely the rules would come at the same time.

 Azreal13 wrote:
No Death Jesters?

That has me worried.

Hmm... me likey, though the Solitaire has been photographed at a bad angle (it maybe one of those models like Shadowblade that doesn't have a good angle and needs to be seen first hand).

I didn't envisage the Solitaire with horns either, but now that I've seen them, they need to be bigger.

EDIT - I am very tempted here and that's the first time in ages I've been able to say that.

EDIT 2 - Also, note they use the smaller round bases. As I suspected, Eldar, Tau, Imperial Guard will probably stay with this size.

 Flashman wrote:
Hmm... me likey, though the Solitaire has been photographed at a bad angle (it maybe one of those models like Shadowblade that doesn't have a good angle and needs to be seen first hand).

I didn't envisage the Solitaire with horns either, but now that I've seen them, they need to be bigger.

EDIT - I am very tempted here and that's the first time in ages I've been able to say that.

EDIT 2 - Also, note they use the smaller round bases. As I suspected, Eldar, Tau, Imperial Guard will probably stay with this size.

Good call about the bases! This is what I've been suspecting- that bigger models (i.e. T4) like Space Marines, Chaos Marines, and Necrons would received the new 32mm base while the more scrawny armies like Eldar, DE, and IG would stay on their smaller 25mm basses.

I just wonder where Orks are going to go.

Definatlely after 2 troupes and a solitaire week one

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
No Death Jesters?

That has me worried.

I'm not sure yet whether to be worried or not.

Death Jesters could be getting made into one man badass units ala the Solitaire.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
No Death Jesters?

That has me worried.

I'm not sure yet whether to be worried or not.

Death Jesters could be getting made into one man badass units ala the Solitaire.

Or just rolled into their own unit such as 3-9 or something. Although a solo unit would definitely be pretty cool.

Thought I'd put these here to save everyone some trouble... Quite why they put the fething black & white filter on I don't know..

Right, that does it. The one-armed Jain Zar on my desk will now get converted into a Solitaire. Not that I have plans to play Harlequins, or 40k in general. But still, it's the principle of the thing. The models look great, but the Solitaire is too expensive by far (nothing new there).

The Solitaire is US$26?!?

Yeah. That's about the norm for a 40k plastic clamshell it seems.

Thanks AOV

That Solitaire model is really top notch. Immediately makes me crave a Harlequin army.

I'm surprised how similar these plastic models are to the original metal Harlequins.

I'm also happy that the Solitaire isn't a convoluted mess of details. It's a Harlequin with a somber face and devil horns. Looks nice, but not $26 nice. I'll wait for GW to crash one day and pick these up when they go on sale or clearance.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Thought I'd put these here to save everyone some trouble... Quite why they put the fething black & white filter on I don't know..

Spoiler:

You forgot this:

One has to wonder wtf a Starweaver is though...

@Kanluwen- I got those pics from FB- that's all that's all that they'd put up. Thanks though mate

I am impressed they realized just making him a character (Not an IC) wouldn't ensure he'd always operate alone.

It shows an understanding of the rules which is sometimes lacking.

So we have a Harlequin's Kiss with the "Kiss of Death" special rule and the Harlequin's Caress with the "Caress of Death" special rule. They're the only weapons in the game with these special rules.


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 Eldarain wrote:
I am impressed they realized just making him a character (Not an IC) wouldn't ensure he'd always operate alone.

It shows an understanding of the rules which is sometimes lacking.

Pretty much the most fundamental thing about the Solitaire in fluff and name is that it operates alone. Not even GW would miss that mark, I think.

It just went from 6 to midnight in this house.

Notice how they are on the smaller bases?

supports the T3 model on 25mm base and T4 on the bigger ones (32mm?)

 Absolutionis wrote:
I'm surprised how similar these plastic models are to the original metal Harlequins.

I'm also happy that the Solitaire isn't a convoluted mess of details. It's a Harlequin with a somber face and devil horns. Looks nice, but not $26 nice. I'll wait for GW to crash one day and pick these up when they go on sale or clearance.

lol that may be a while Try boxing day next year -- that may come a bit sooner. Of course, if there are any harlequin on the shelf, they'll be gone in a minute.

My attitude has just become that if I love it I buy it, because otherwise it either goes up in price in a couple of years or it goes OOP. If I like it, but don't collect it (and dont * love * the model) I'll wait for a sale OR buy it at the same tome as a bunch of other stuff and haggle for a better price. Nothing like a thousand dollar order to grab an extra few points off the price

 Wilson wrote:
Notice how they are on the smaller bases?

supports the T3 model on 25mm base and T4 on the bigger ones (32mm?)

Gerroutofit, I noticed that first - see page 12

Those models are very nice, and £24 for 6 seems almost reasonable from GW...

This Starweaver thing could be interesting. Probably carry up to 12 models from the squad size (ironically 12 which is how many numbers there are in card games)

 Flashman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Notice how they are on the smaller bases?

supports the T3 model on 25mm base and T4 on the bigger ones (32mm?)

Gerroutofit, I noticed that first - see page 12

nope didn't happen I said it first

Ohly feth. I. NEED. THESE. Always loved harlies, but they were so ass on the tabletop I had to sell them. Plus they were Finecast. Now... I don't have any money but I'm throwing my empty wallet at the screen. Take my money GW!

One small niggle though, I'd say the old models actually look better than these, especially the Troupe Master.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Photos week 1 releases - from Grotorderly blog http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2015/01/wd-53-pre-release-picts.html

http://img244.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380787657_20150127_183138_122_77lo.jpg
http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380789353_20150127_183148_122_187lo.jpg
http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380785751_20150127_183126_122_185lo.jpg
http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380790296_20150127_183214_122_874lo.jpg

Solitaire
http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=238079335_20150127_183225_122_217lo.jpg

http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380794835_20150127_183333_122_185lo.jpg
http://img268.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380796619_20150127_183347_122_8lo.jpg
http://img253.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380798990_20150127_183358_122_494lo.jpg
http://img258.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380801802_20150127_183404_122_184lo.jpg
http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=380804858_20150127_183425_122_226lo.jpg

If someone can tell me how to IMG them I will, not working with these links. Great miniatures by the way - if this quality continues with all Harlequin release we are up to some awesome weeks

Right click image and click 'copy image url'

 Wilson wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Notice how they are on the smaller bases?

supports the T3 model on 25mm base and T4 on the bigger ones (32mm?)

Gerroutofit, I noticed that first - see page 12

nope didn't happen I said it first

Great minds think alike

 Flashman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Notice how they are on the smaller bases?

supports the T3 model on 25mm base and T4 on the bigger ones (32mm?)

Gerroutofit, I noticed that first - see page 12

nope didn't happen I said it first

Great minds think alike

We are the best humans of our generation.

Without the rest of the rules, I can't tell if I want these or not. I definitely want a box for hobby purposes, but on their own the Troupe looks like a unit that would be shot to ribbons well before fulfilling their purpose. I'm not an Eldar player, and had thought this might be my excuse to start, but they're definitely not the "Wow I could see these allying with a bunch of lists" unit I thought they would have been, in the way Imperial Knights were.

That said, their transports, etc... will tip me one way or the other, i'm sure.

This is on the first GW releases I've been excited about in a while! I wanted to finish off my DE army, but since I knew these guys were coming I decided to wait so I could see how they integrate into a DE force (and purchase the remaining DE forces accordingly).

Although these models are very similar to the existing harlequins, the fact that they are plastic should be very nice in mix-and-matching them with other Eldar bits, and vice-versa with the DE army under construction.

Can't wait!

I am not a big GW conspiracy theorist... but it does feel like they let this out in black and white because traditionally harlequins are so colorful. I can't wait to see how they have been painted.

stormboy wrote:
I am not a big GW conspiracy theorist... but it does feel like they let this out in black and white because traditionally harlequins are so colorful. I can't wait to see how they have been painted.

You mean the same theory that comes up everytime non-perfect pictures leak? 

Looks neat, though assault armies since 6th arent too hot. But id like to see them on a table

Alpharius wrote:The Solitaire is US$26?!?

The old Death Jester and Harlequin Shadowseer, which were in the more expensive metal and now in Finecast, are $7 less than the new Solitaire.

More images, now full coloured.

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

after getting a C&D for posting whole sections of white dwarf pre-release I suspect posting in black and white may be Grot Orderly's way of 'modifying' the images so any potential law suit will be harder for GW (in whatever legal juristicion Grot Orderly is in)

(whether this is a real defence who knows)

Pretty. I like!

 juanjopotro wrote:
More images, now full coloured.

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

Basically the same Eavy Metal job as the existing models. I'm thinking black, white and red will look cooler...

really like them, especially the one with the bird nose

It's been a long time since a GW release made me sit up and take notice like this.

Wish I hadn't bought my bloomin' PS Vita last week :(

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Looks neat, though assault armies since 6th arent too hot. But id like to see them on a table

Dunno... a Blitz'n Solitare with 12" of normal movement is kinda boss.

 juanjopotro wrote:
More images, now full coloured.

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

Thank you Sir There are many detail pics amongst them

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Quite why they put the fething black & white filter on I don't know..

Because blurry photos taken during an earthquake was getting old. Now they have to go and photograph what are arguably the most coulourful minis in all 40K using greyscale.

 pretre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

If someone can tell me how to IMG them I will, not working with these links. ...

Right click image and click 'copy image url'

Thank you, Pretre. This must be a problem on my end. I use an ipad atm. I cannot see your pic nor mine if they are linked like that. Will try it later on the pc and update the 1st post

Solitaire rules are so nice. And he's priced pretty well since he's already all decked out.

Well, I like 'em. They look like Harlis, and we finally get a Solitaire (grr...). I wonder what the next release is, and I guess they are getting a book.

I could see the transport and bikes being next week with the "codex" and then shadow seer and death jester the following week in clamshells. That would be the entire release pretty much as far as I can tell.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Looks neat, though assault armies since 6th arent too hot. But id like to see them on a table

My assault heavy Ork list hits the table every single time Doesn't always chop its way through everything, but does a good job at winning me games by sheer numbers, entangling shooty foes, and camping objectives. I feel assault armies should not be winning by tabling. Shooting does that. Assault armies should be designed to win just by stalling and stealing objectives, period.

 juanjopotro wrote:
More images, now full coloured.

http://forofreakfactory.mforos.com/1035375/11580442-primera-foto-de-arlequines-eldar-fotos-y-reglas-a-dia-27/#106146007

Here they are for the thread:

Shiny. I'm liking the holo-suit effect that you can add to it.

 Accolade wrote:

 juanjopotro wrote:
More images, now full coloured.

That harlequin be like;

Yeah colour me impressed. Not too keen on the troupe master pose though.

Bet they use slotta bases. That's why they are on 25mm bases.

Thirdeye wrote:
Bet they use slotta bases. That's why they are on 25mm bases.

I can't remember the last plastic model with a slotta base. You just don't need them when plastic glue welds whatever to the base, and all those bits of terrain they're on will have a fair amount of surface area to glue to a base.

Man I love Eldar power weapons

I suspect they'll be like some of the newer kits and have a bit of scenery attached to the legs.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Man I love Eldar power weapons

I like how there's a Dark Eldar and Eldar one in there.

Harlequins consider all eldar bros so I suspect they can have what they like. Dark Eldar like em mainly because of the artsy death they can unleash. Not sure about Craftworlders though. I suspect they just treat them like that creepy family relative you talk to only because you have to be polite lol.

No I know why, I just like it

Regarding the bases, this model range could have been ready for release for 2+ years and before GW made the decision to change some bases to put larger models like Necrons onto

Warhams-77 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

If someone can tell me how to IMG them I will, not working with these links. ...

Right click image and click 'copy image url'

Thank you, Pretre. This must be a problem on my end. I use an ipad atm. I cannot see your pic nor mine if they are linked like that. Will try it later on the pc and update the 1st post

I'm seeing all the others, but I'm not seeing Pretre's either.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the bases, this model range could have been ready for release for 2+ years and before GW made the decision to change some bases to put larger models like Necrons onto

I don't really see it, if they wanted to release these guys with 32mm they could have easily. I think even GW realizes there has to be a cut-off for the 32mm bases...you're not going to ever see them on things like grots!

Space Marines really needed a bigger base to show that they're bigger (and badder) than the run-of-the-mill human. That's been a gripe people have had between the IG and SM ranges for YEARS. Necrons fit right into the MEQ category, so it would make sense that they got bigger bases too. The Shield of Ball set had Tyranids on normal bases (minus the units that typically have different base sizes), and I think from now on we will see 32mm on Marines/Necrons/Orks(?) and 25mm on Guardsmen/Eldar/(some)Nids/Daemons(?).

They do look nice, Master's pose aside. I may grab a box, and as there are 6 in there, take one for a Solitaire conversion and the rest for a 5-space-elf squad.

 Accolade wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Regarding the bases, this model range could have been ready for release for 2+ years and before GW made the decision to change some bases to put larger models like Necrons onto

I don't really see it, if they wanted to release these guys with 32mm they could have easily. I think even GW realizes there has to be a cut-off for the 32mm bases...you're not going to ever see them on things like grots!

Space Marines really needed a bigger base to show that they're bigger (and badder) than the run-of-the-mill human. That's been a gripe people have had between the IG and SM ranges for YEARS. Necrons fit right into the MEQ category, so it would make sense that they got bigger bases too. The Shield of Ball set had Tyranids on normal bases (minus the units that typically have different base sizes), and I think from now on we will see 32mm on Marines/Necrons/Orks(?) and 25mm on Guardsmen/Eldar/(some)Nids/Daemons(?).

Yeah, Necron and SM fit on the 32mm, most other things will look drowned on them. I think it's mainly an aesthetic thing. I much prefer 32mm for the Necrons, looks much better.

I may do my Dark Eldar on 32mm simply because their legs are so bloody far apart and I get sick of having to go back and paint their feet every time during painting.

Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

It says nothing really.

The Troupe, Death Jesters, and Shadowseers are all currently available on GWUS.

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

They're all still available on the US site.

EDIT: Kan beat me!

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

How long has it been 'no longer available' though? Because they might go 'no longer available' between now and their release, to be fair.

That said I love the current Death Jester and Shadowseer model.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

How long has it been 'no longer available' though? Because they might go 'no longer available' between now and their release, to be fair.

That said I love the current Death Jester and Shadowseer model.

The Harlequin Troupe has been NLA since at least last week.

Finally, a use for all my wych models! Lelith as a Solitare, and the three wych weapons match up well as harlequin weapons- embrace as the shardnet, caress as the hydra flails, and kiss is hydra gauntlets. Blast pistols as fusion pistols. For 2 points more than bloodbrides, they are so, so much better.

 Accolade wrote:

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

They're all still available on the US site.

EDIT: Kan beat me!

I will neither confirm nor deny that I used Blitz.

Edit Note:
I just filtered the thread as I knew I had replied to someone about the No Longer Available thing.

They went No Longer Available on the UK site last Monday.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Commander Jimbob wrote:
Regarding earlier queries about Death Jesters and Shadowseers possibly being neglected or getting some later release, on the UK Games Workshop website the Harlequin Troupe is 'no longer available' while the Death Jesters and Shadowseers are still available. I guess that says something.

How long has it been 'no longer available' though? Because they might go 'no longer available' between now and their release, to be fair.

That said I love the current Death Jester and Shadowseer model.

The Harlequin Troupe has been NLA since at least last week.

But only over here?

 ImAGeek wrote:

But only over here?

The US/UK have different stock management systems and allocation. Finecast stuff gets cast in the UK in bulk but then the US supposedly gets given a large allocation for distribution later via the US webstore.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

But only over here?

The US/UK have different stock management systems and allocation. Finecast stuff gets cast in the UK in bulk but then the US supposedly gets given a large allocation for distribution later via the US webstore.

My point being, if it's only NLA in the UK, the fact the other 2 aren't doesn't really mean anything in terms of if they get models or not because we know we're getting a new Harlequin troupe and the finecast one is still available over there, right?

The Solitaire is really nice, I will have to pick one up. The feet look a little too large, but that might just be the angle of the picture.

The Harlies in general are pretty well done, I love the masks in particular, but there is something a little "stiff" about the poses compared to the metal versions.

The Troupe Leader's pose is unfortunately, absolutely fething terrible.

Yeah I don't get the Troupe Masters pose at all. It's ridiculous.

Man I've always loved Harly models but that checker pattern on some of them looks like an absolute b***h to paint...

I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Good. Eldar are supposed to look/move slightly unnaturally to human eyes.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Good. Eldar are supposed to look/move slightly unnaturally to human eyes.

Does this mean that you like the Troupe Leader's pose?

The solitaire is lovely. However 31 CAD? The plastic farseer is 25 CAD. Almost a 25% increase in less than two years.

The Troupe Leader looks daft, but then again the metal Troupe Leader also looked daft. Maybe "Daft" is part of their genetic makeup.

To me, the metal Troupe Leader looks like it is springing up into the air, about to perform some kind of aerial dance-based attack.

The plastic version looks like it tried to imitate the same pose, but lost an indefinable but vital something along the way.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Troupe Leader looks daft, but then again the metal Troupe Leader also looked daft. Maybe "Daft" is part of their genetic makeup.

If you paint them to have leather jackets and Mohawks they can be Daft and Punk

I for one love what I am seeing. These are some fantastic looking models and only add to my excitement.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Troupe Leader looks daft, but then again the metal Troupe Leader also looked daft. Maybe "Daft" is part of their genetic makeup.

I think that you can change up what legs the Troupe Leader has with the new plastics, so it shouldn't be too hard to find a set that isn't so daft...

ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

But only over here?

The US/UK have different stock management systems and allocation. Finecast stuff gets cast in the UK in bulk but then the US supposedly gets given a large allocation for distribution later via the US webstore.

My point being, if it's only NLA in the UK, the fact the other 2 aren't doesn't really mean anything in terms of if they get models or not because we know we're getting a new Harlequin troupe and the finecast one is still available over there, right?

Not necessarily. The Harlequin Troupe might well have gotten "run down" in terms of the stock levels while the Death Jester/Shadowseer end up being just flatout pulled.




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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
To me, the metal Troupe Leader looks like it is springing up into the air, about to perform some kind of aerial dance-based attack.

The plastic version looks like it tried to imitate the same pose, but lost an indefinable but vital something along the way.

He lost being attached to the rock with a tiny parchment coming from his rear end.

I built the previous Troupe Leader in Finecast/Metal both and I can tell you right now that the attachment point that he had broke in both mediums. It was way too finnicky for what it was.

The solitaire is an interesting pose, but I hate the mask. He's supposed to mysterious and unknown, not some cheap kabuki ripoff.

I think the troupe leader also suffers from poor mask syndrome.

 drazz wrote:
The solitaire is an interesting pose, but I hate the mask. He's supposed to mysterious and unknown, not some cheap kabuki ripoff.

I think the troupe leader also suffers from poor mask syndrome.

The Solitaire's mask is supposed to be a representation of Slaanesh for the performances that the Harlequins give. The Solitaire is an outsider effectively, cursed and playing the part of The Great Enemy. He's not just "mysterious and unknown".

I like them,the Troupe Master looks like he's just mockingly prancing across the battlefield

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
To me, the metal Troupe Leader looks like it is springing up into the air, about to perform some kind of aerial dance-based attack.

The plastic version looks like it tried to imitate the same pose, but lost an indefinable but vital something along the way.

He lost being attached to the rock with a tiny parchment coming from his rear end.

I built the previous Troupe Leader in Finecast/Metal both and I can tell you right now that the attachment point that he had broke in both mediums. It was way too finnicky for what it was.

My metal Troupe Leader has survived the test of time, his booty parchment is undamaged.

But yeah, it's a rather delicate connection point. The kind of thing that would be more suitable for plastic harlies, no?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
To me, the metal Troupe Leader looks like it is springing up into the air, about to perform some kind of aerial dance-based attack.

The plastic version looks like it tried to imitate the same pose, but lost an indefinable but vital something along the way.

He lost being attached to the rock with a tiny parchment coming from his rear end.

I built the previous Troupe Leader in Finecast/Metal both and I can tell you right now that the attachment point that he had broke in both mediums. It was way too finnicky for what it was.

My metal Troupe Leader has survived the test of time, his booty parchment is undamaged.

But yeah, it's a rather delicate connection point. The kind of thing that would be more suitable for plastic harlies, no?

It would depend on how it was cast/attached.

The "foot attached to the rock" is likely going to be a bit more stable than "random piece of parchment as a flying stand"

Would we be able to swap around the components of the troupe to make more unique models?

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If you paint them to have leather jackets and Mohawks they can be Daft and Punk

*slow clap*


Now I'm impatient. I want to see what's coming next week!

 ImAGeek wrote:


Yeah, Necron and SM fit on the 32mm, most other things will look drowned on them. I think it's mainly an aesthetic thing. I much prefer 32mm for the Necrons, looks much better.

I think most of the Ork range would look great on 32mm...even Boyz dwarf their 25mm bases... as well as jump infantry like DE Scourges, Tau Stealth Suits, Sisters Seriphim, etc.

I don't collect Eldar, but I have always loved the Harlies...I may get a box and do them up just to sit on display...

I've got to say it has been a long time since I was this excited for a GW release. I was pretty excited for the Ork release (first army ever) but it soon turned to meh and I quickly lost interest.

It looks like the Kiss gives you your full number attacks but makes one of them Str. 6 AP2. So a Troupe player with a Kiss on the charge would get 3 normal attacks and one Str. 6 AP2 attack. That's pretty good.

The Troupe Leaders mask is a 'classic', so it makes sense to me. Pose looks like a bit of 'weightless kung fu tree prancing'. I think a change of arms might help it a bit.

I'm assuming all the arms are seperate. Hard to tell how the bodies divide up just by looking these days.

 plastictrees wrote:
The Troupe Leaders mask is a 'classic', so it makes sense to me. Pose looks like a bit of 'weightless kung fu tree prancing'. I think a change of arms might help it a bit.

I'm assuming all the arms are seperate. Hard to tell how the bodies divide up just by looking these days.

Pretty sure this was the inspiration for the pose...




Though looking back at it, it was poorly executed...might be able to hack it up a bit and add a little green stuff to improve the pose some....

Yeah, Trinity. That's what I was thinking as well.

So do we think the Starweaver is something new, or a conversion of an existing vehicle (Falcon or Venom hull)?

 Fango wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


Yeah, Necron and SM fit on the 32mm, most other things will look drowned on them. I think it's mainly an aesthetic thing. I much prefer 32mm for the Necrons, looks much better.

I think most of the Ork range would look great on 32mm...even Boyz dwarf their 25mm bases... as well as jump infantry like DE Scourges, Tau Stealth Suits, Sisters Seriphim, etc.

I don't collect Eldar, but I have always loved the Harlies...I may get a box and do them up just to sit on display...

Yeah well... I did say most

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, Trinity. That's what I was thinking as well.

So do we think the Starweaver is something new, or a conversion of an existing vehicle (Falcon or Venom hull)?

I'm thinking possibly a Wave Serpent hull truth be told.

OOH! Or it could be based off the Hemlock Wraithfighter/Crimson Hunter!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, Trinity. That's what I was thinking as well.

So do we think the Starweaver is something new, or a conversion of an existing vehicle (Falcon or Venom hull)?

since they have to cut a new mould anyway I'd say it will be new (although it may take strong cues from an existing vehicle)

What about the old wave serpent hulls? Those from the Epic days. Add an assault ramp and some harlequin designs and they would do the job

You mean this design:



I'll admit. If they made that I'd be impressed.

Correct

They would want something open topped to assault out of. Or is that no longer a problem in 7th,?

 Souleater wrote:
They would want something open topped to assault out of. Or is that no longer a problem in 7th,?

Just make it an assault vehicle like the Land Raider.

Or go old school and literally make it a rusty land raider...

 plastictrees wrote:
Or go old school and literally make it a rusty land raider...

Nice. I had the compendium with the original Harlequinn rules.

Harlequin Troupe Leader: "We call it The Starweaver!"

Gestures at rusting Land Raider as the left sponson falls off.

Eldar Autarch: "Riiiiight..."

The horned fellow looks like he just clawed his way out of a terrible punk/pop/generally edgy music video what with his pixel trench coat and pretty face.

Other than that they look great.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Good. Eldar are supposed to look/move slightly unnaturally to human eyes.

Maybe, but I wouldn't think they'd look so awkward doing it.

I think I'm going to build a small circus now. They do not fit at all with my Necrons, but gosh darn it if they aren't the bees knees.

I went ahead and bought a Death Jester, though. I love the look of the Finecast one and wanted to make sure I had one. Also just in case the model goes poof and never returns.

The Solitaire is based on this John Blanche artwork from the 2nd ed codex when the Solitaire still had rules (no new model, just the RT one though, which had a different design without horns)



This was rumored by SadPanda a few days ago and he was right

So now we're going to see tons of Solitaires everywhere. Basically painting a bullseye on every Eldar/Deldar army for Slaanesh to show up.

NIMBY Solitaire! YOU SLEEP OUTSIDE!

Do we have any idea at this point if the Harlequins are able to ally with Dark Eldar? I've been contemplating starting a DEldar force for a while and this would make me pull the trigger if they were Battle Brothers. But having them removed from the Dark Eldar codex in general has me worried.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
Do we have any idea at this point if the Harlequins are able to ally with Dark Eldar? I've been contemplating starting a DEldar force for a while and this would make me pull the trigger if they were Battle Brothers. But having them removed from the Dark Eldar codex in general has me worried.

They'll definitely be able to ally with DE. I imagine they were pulled from the DE dex for this release.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Solitaire is based on this John Blanche artwork from the 2nd ed codex when the Solitaire still had rules (no new model, just the RT one though, which had a different design without horns)



This was rumored by SadPanda a few days ago and he was right

This solitaire looks great!

Why didn't they go with that design, disturbing and unsettling, not handsome and sleek.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
Do we have any idea at this point if the Harlequins are able to ally with Dark Eldar? I've been contemplating starting a DEldar force for a while and this would make me pull the trigger if they were Battle Brothers. But having them removed from the Dark Eldar codex in general has me worried.

Everyone can ally at Come the Apocaylpse.

But I'm fairly sure you're safe that they'll be Best Bros with Eldar and Deldar.

Actually Solitaire isn't too bad on closer inspection, he just doesn't feel creepy enough like the rest of the Harlequins.

A really good paintjob should fix him up.

Be interesting if they count as 'no faction' in regards to Eldar/DarkEldar, then they could be of part of any detachment without having to take a detachment to use them

Them harlequins look spiffy contemplating on buying a box of a troupe, color scheme on the GW looks muted IMHO not so vibrant as in the past.

Yup, these are a massive improvement on the previous 'balancing on their over-starched loincloths' versions.

Really like the solitaire.

I may be mistaking but it looks like these guys are on the new 32mm bases. Take a look at a comparison:





I don't think that the harlequins (especially evident in that kicking fellow in the top left corner) are on 25mm bases unless they are much tinier than a standard dark eldar. Am I misjudging the scale?

I'm pretty positive you're mistaken- look back at the previous page of the Harlequins battling the Necrons and the differences should be clear.

Edit - nope, changed my mind. Pretty sure they're 25mm.

Hmmm. Well, here's the old harlequins from the GW site for comparison.



I personally still think they're on 25mm, but that may simply be because I think it makes more sense and I'm forcing an odd judgment on it.

EDIT: Aha! We're in agreement insaniak!

Harlequins are just smaller buggers.

Ok so assuming the Troupe box doesn't have multiple versions of the powered gauntlet (which it might given they've been cramming as much as possible onto their sprues recently) and assuming I actually want to equip lots of models with it (which will almost certainly be a bad idea but hey) I think I've finally found a use for all those power fists that came on the plastic weapon sprues with the Metal Guardians released back in the early 90's. Just goes to show, hang onto your bits for 20 years and you'll find a use for them

Love the Troupers, they will fit in alongside the existing models from 2006 with no problems and make for much more varied squads, with the added bonus of plastic and the Solitaire is the best individual character model they've done since Illic Nightspear. Pity about the Master, but you can't have everything.

What no jetbikes? I am sad :(

 Fifty wrote:
What no jetbikes? I am sad :(

What are you talking about? This is just the first wave.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

So that's one wound at AP 2... Then the rest of the attacks? AP- at strength 3. I love the mobility but unless the solitaire has access to poison I doubt you'll see them in top table

Strength 4, he has furious charge. So on a blitz charge he will get 11 attacks (2 cc weapons + charge) as well as an Str 6 Ap 2 attack. Any 6's he rolls to hit auto wound at AP 2. You will probably get 2 or so 6's to hit as well as the Kiss. This guy will wreck face.

Just imagine him as a faster, better protected, less explosive Eversor Assassin.

Yes he will . And during the last round of the game he will be able to blitz a pretty serious distance .

Now saw me the jetbikes and I will be happy panda

Bit underwhelmed by these! Think I prefer my metal ones.

Excuse the silly question, what save does a holo suit give?

Anyone think they will have moulded patterns for the diamond print?

Loving the look of these by the way but think a different paint scheme will be in order!

Mass S4 shooting (10+ Marines on rapid fire) will bring the Solitaire down in one turn, so you better hide him until he can Blitz, or that's 145 points down the drain.

Mymearan wrote:
Mass S4 shooting (10+ Marines on rapid fire) will bring the Solitaire down in one turn

Worse, he could try to assault a 4-flamers squad .

Rules are cool, but why they need to change the rule for the harlequin kiss? rending was not enough?
I don't have the WD with the new Tyranid units, but how the new Harlie troupe works in codex Eldar? the old unit will be removed from the codex and I have to use the dataslate or both units (and both harlie kiss version) will co-exist?

I just realized that a Prescience'd troupe of Caress-equipped Harlies will tear upp pretty much anything. Now I just hope to god the transport will be open-topped... but I'm guessing it'll be a Venom variant, so that would be a yes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, Trinity. That's what I was thinking as well.

So do we think the Starweaver is something new, or a conversion of an existing vehicle (Falcon or Venom hull)?

The old epic WS is nice - as long as its not another Cheese Serpent in terms of rules...... a Venom style craft would also be quite cool ..........look forward to seeing what they do

Well these look real nice. My only complaint about the sculpts is the overuse of 'tip-toeing on a shard object' -gimmick. Old Harlequins had some pretty silly poses, but there was bit more variation. These are like Witch Elves or Wild Riders - when everyone is on their toes leaping, it gets bit tiresome.

During the Eldar rumor stage I seem to recall someone stating that there was a standard infantry sized "Avatar". I was not around for the original Harlequin army, but I keep hearing that their HQ was called an Avatar also. Is it possible that the "Avatar" model that was mentioned then will be part of the Harlequin release now?


I was thinking of removing my Solitaire from the ruin bit, and repositioning him with his open hand on the ruin as he jumps over it.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
During the Eldar rumor stage I seem to recall someone stating that there was a standard infantry sized "Avatar". I was not around for the original Harlequin army, but I keep hearing that their HQ was called an Avatar also. Is it possible that the "Avatar" model that was mentioned then will be part of the Harlequin release now?

That's what I'm hoping!!!!

 godswildcard wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
During the Eldar rumor stage I seem to recall someone stating that there was a standard infantry sized "Avatar". I was not around for the original Harlequin army, but I keep hearing that their HQ was called an Avatar also. Is it possible that the "Avatar" model that was mentioned then will be part of the Harlequin release now?

That's what I'm hoping!!!!

The original Harlequins had the following units

High Avatar
High Warlocks
Warlocks
Avatar (basically Troupe leaders)
Troupers
Death Jesters

Marvellous.

The organisation of an Harlequin force in 1st edition looked like this:

(Chart from Warhammer 40,000 Compendium/WD - the image: Lexicanum.com)

Today the High Avatar would be an HQ choice and something like a better Troupe Leader. We know the Solitaire is Elite, the Troupe is Troops, so even if DJ and SSeer would be HQ, there is a good chance GW will release an 'Army Leader' miniature like the High Avatars and High Warlocks of old. Their miniatures, although the names got changed a few times in the catalogues, did exist and they looked like their 'role'.

Regarding the other units, Skyweavers are, if the original source from Darnok is right again, the Jetbike unit, and the Starweaver, after sleeping a night over it, sounds more like a flyer as was pointed out 2 pages earlier. Both CWE and DE flyers (including the FW ones) have a similiar esthetic and therefore flyers using a mix of these styles wouldn't look out of place in both armies. It is also quite similiar to the Space Wolves flyer, providing both a Transport and a Support unit with heavier armament.

That troupe master's pose is awful, god damn. It's like they tried to copy the previous sculpt but failed utterly in every aspect.

Everything else looks great, though.

Hm, these guys look pretty grimdark. I wonder if there are options for laughing masks.
Kind of obvious rsponse, but why so serious?

 Fayric wrote:
Hm, these guys look pretty grimdark. I wonder if there are options for laughing masks.
Kind of obvious rsponse, but why so serious?

I'd imagine every single person who buys this box makes a Joker and Harley Quinn with them. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Literally.

Except those two people who will post to try to prove me wrong.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Hm, these guys look pretty grimdark. I wonder if there are options for laughing masks.
Kind of obvious rsponse, but why so serious?

I'd imagine every single person who buys this box makes a Joker and Harley Quinn with them. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Literally.

Except those two people who will post to try to prove me wrong.

See, I was thinking about trying to make these guys like the classic medieval harlequins of old.

Joker idea is funny though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I'd imagine every single person who buys this box makes a Joker and Harley Quinn with them. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Literally.

Hell, that's the reason I'll buy a box if I do. And you can bet the Solitaire will be getting a purple jacket/cape!

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Hm, these guys look pretty grimdark. I wonder if there are options for laughing masks.
Kind of obvious rsponse, but why so serious?

I'd imagine every single person who buys this box makes a Joker and Harley Quinn with them. EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. Literally.

Except those two people who will post to try to prove me wrong.

It going to be that or the Royal Flush Gang. Or both. It helps that purple and red look great in diamond patterns.


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Seperately. As in purple/black and red/black. Purple/red would be a mess.

Note the interaction between the Harlequin's Caress and Precision Strikes on the Solitaire. On a 6 to hit, it is an auto wound at AP2 and you can pick the target in the opposing unit. He's an assassin!

I wonder if the diamond pattern is just painted on or sculpted on...?

I like some of the poses, but some of them seem a bit awkward, particularly the Troupe Master... if I get them, I can see myself spending some time reposing here and there. The Troupe Master needs his right leg straightening out a bit and more point/arch to the foot.
The Solitaire's nice though.

Is it me, or are the feet and hands on these guys bigger than usual?

The diamonds 'flowing' off the back of the Solitaire is, according to the White Dwarf, an optional part.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The diamonds 'flowing' off the back of the Solitaire is, according to the White Dwarf, an optional part.

Diamonds? At the first look I thought these are cards...

 Kanluwen wrote:
The diamonds 'flowing' off the back of the Solitaire is, according to the White Dwarf, an optional part.

Depicting their force field?

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The diamonds 'flowing' off the back of the Solitaire is, according to the White Dwarf, an optional part.

Depicting their force field?

If by force field, you mean holo-field then yes.

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The diamonds 'flowing' off the back of the Solitaire is, according to the White Dwarf, an optional part.

Depicting their force field?

...depictign that someone's been playing Borderlands before doing their sculpting work.

Don't much care for those masks. I may just use DE masks instead.

I suspect that the masks could do with a hell of a lot more shadow on the paintjob, that would give them more kick and make them look a bit more sinister

It isn't that. The goblinesque design just looks silly to me. I understand the aesthetic and why GW is doing it, I just don't care for it.

If the kit doesn't have one of these as an option I'll be disappointed, the most sinister thing to ever feature on kids TV in the UK, and kids TV in the UK has had some dark moments!

Are they still getting a new jetbike?

Hrhr yes. Like Tripods

Do people think Harlequins be viable as a stand alone force?

I haven't started a new army since they released Dark Eldar but I am very tempted to put together a small Harlie force.

Its really too early to tell. We need to wait and see what else they get.

Haha...sorry...just very interested in these guys.

 Wilson wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

So that's one wound at AP 2... Then the rest of the attacks? AP- at strength 3. I love the mobility but unless the solitaire has access to poison I doubt you'll see them in top table

*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

 Red Corsair wrote:
*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

All this. As a stand alone character, no he's probably not going to be an unstoppable killing machine regardless of wargear options. Wraith Lords and the Avatar proved single model units with moderate durability are not viable, and even Mantle only has a niche use.

Then again at 145 if he's not taking up an HQ slot, why not? With DS and the ability to hide out of LOS then pop in front of a unit, he's an amazing backfield disruption unit. Anything that can reliably take him down in combat wants to be on the opposite side of the table from him in your armies face. So can he take on a CM on a bike with shield eternal/TH? Probably not. Can he wipe grots/marines/warriors (necron/DE/Tau) off objectives? Absolutely. He's a big, bad, nasty bully who should be pounding the little kids and taking their lunch money.

By far the greatest thing he's going to add to your army is forcing your opponent to deal with him, and they will need to deal with him. If they don't, they risk losing several objective holding units which could potentially cost them the game.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

So that's one wound at AP 2... Then the rest of the attacks? AP- at strength 3. I love the mobility but unless the solitaire has access to poison I doubt you'll see them in top table

*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

I've seen a fair bit of variety on top tables actually but anyway, that's besides the point

Not saying the solitaire is bad and no I don't expect him to go toe to toe with a chapter master( although I think hed do pretty well 1v1) , I was getting more at the fact that he'd struggle to cut down a unit of 10 marines - if he faced them. Strength 4 ( my bad, missed that bit) with a -(?) is not as amazing.


I like the idea of having a few of these dudes running around and grabbing objectives though and for sure you'd have to deal with them. I like the rules and the model is lush but a few people where screaming broken!!! (Like they noramally do ) so I just felt like having my say.

Dang I just noticed that the Troupe Master has 2 wounds

 Dash2021 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

All this. As a stand alone character, no he's probably not going to be an unstoppable killing machine regardless of wargear options. Wraith Lords and the Avatar proved single model units with moderate durability are not viable, and even Mantle only has a niche use.

Then again at 145 if he's not taking up an HQ slot, why not? With DS and the ability to hide out of LOS then pop in front of a unit, he's an amazing backfield disruption unit. Anything that can reliably take him down in combat wants to be on the opposite side of the table from him in your armies face. So can he take on a CM on a bike with shield eternal/TH? Probably not. Can he wipe grots/marines/warriors (necron/DE/Tau) off objectives? Absolutely. He's a big, bad, nasty bully who should be pounding the little kids and taking their lunch money.

By far the greatest thing he's going to add to your army is forcing your opponent to deal with him, and they will need to deal with him. If they don't, they risk losing several objective holding units which could potentially cost them the game.

To be fair, I always envisaged (thanks to the background) that a Solitaire was a greater fighter than any other Harlequin; High Avatar included. I saw it as part of the cause for the reverence, and fear, that the other Eldar maintained (and the fact that he is blessed by the Laughing God). I've also considered that a Harlequin Trooper is better than a combat Exarch, and that a combat Exarch is probably only slightly below a Space Marine in terms of their ability with a blade.

As such, I'm a bit disappointed by the Solitaire's combat prowess. A Solitaire should be up there with a Phoenix Lord, who themselves should probably be more capable than a Chapter Master.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

So that's one wound at AP 2... Then the rest of the attacks? AP- at strength 3. I love the mobility but unless the solitaire has access to poison I doubt you'll see them in top table

*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

Well I figure this guy will make up his points so long as he has his charge. With that blitz he'll have 10 base attacks, 1 for the off hand, and one for the charge. 12 attacks, the caress giving him auto ap 2 wounds (or auto glance) on sixes to hit then adding one of those attacks is str 6 ap 2 because of the kiss. If he's on the charge he's str 4 so wounding meq on 4s, he's WS 9 so he's hitting on 3s and only being hit by average marines on 5s. Even without blitz when he's charging he has a 12 inch move, with a fleet charge and just 8 attacks (6 base, off hand, and charge).

On the recieving end against something like a 10 man tac squad she'll fair well. She strikes first with 7 attacks, 1 is automatically S6 and AP2, then odds showing at least one six to hit there, meaning we can start with 2 dead marines (likely the sgt due to challenges) then leaving his reamaining attacks dealing 1-2 wounds with either or both being saved, 8 marines retaliating on the charge, swinging with 16 attacks total, giving 5 or so hits, with 3 or 4 wounds, solitaire with a 3++ has a good chance of ignoring some or all. All in all thats probably 1-3 turns of tying up an entire squad that probably cost more than 145 pts and doing some damage every turn.

That's assuming the Tac Squad haven't RF-ed it to death first!

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's assuming the Tac Squad haven't RF-ed it to death first!

Yea but with a 12" move ignoring terrain, if you let them RP it you deserve to lose it.


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 Wilson wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think the Solitaire is the best aesthetic-wise of the bunch IMHO. The others just seem too unnatural.

Totally agree. Lush models though- I must say that the rules seem kinda amazing/ wet though! WS9 I10 and 6-10 attacks is awesome but at strength 3? Lol

But he auto wounds on a 6 to hit at ap2. Plus he can grab a relic from the table we don't have yet.

So that's one wound at AP 2... Then the rest of the attacks? AP- at strength 3. I love the mobility but unless the solitaire has access to poison I doubt you'll see them in top table

*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

I've seen a fair bit of variety on top tables actually but anyway, that's besides the point

Not saying the solitaire is bad and no I don't expect him to go toe to toe with a chapter master( although I think hed do pretty well 1v1) , I was getting more at the fact that he'd struggle to cut down a unit of 10 marines - if he faced them. Strength 4 ( my bad, missed that bit) with a -(?) is not as amazing.


I like the idea of having a few of these dudes running around and grabbing objectives though and for sure you'd have to deal with them. I like the rules and the model is lush but a few people where screaming broken!!! (Like they noramally do ) so I just felt like having my say.

Wasn't trying to sound like a jerk mate, I know where your coming from but it's just easy for people to expect things to contribute in literally every aspect of the game nowadays. It's not their fault either with some of the crazy units that get produced either, but you have to look at the cost and roll and in the context of a disruption unit, the solitaire is very strong. I also expect him to be able to field some low AP gear from the artifact list we haven't seen yet as well.

1o tac marines cost the same though before any upggrades lol. Plus he can precision strike the specialists and hit and run on their turn, gutting the unit and moving on, not bad.

The dedicated transport called Starweaver sounds interesting - can not wait to see its stats.

 Lurker wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

All this. As a stand alone character, no he's probably not going to be an unstoppable killing machine regardless of wargear options. Wraith Lords and the Avatar proved single model units with moderate durability are not viable, and even Mantle only has a niche use.

Then again at 145 if he's not taking up an HQ slot, why not? With DS and the ability to hide out of LOS then pop in front of a unit, he's an amazing backfield disruption unit. Anything that can reliably take him down in combat wants to be on the opposite side of the table from him in your armies face. So can he take on a CM on a bike with shield eternal/TH? Probably not. Can he wipe grots/marines/warriors (necron/DE/Tau) off objectives? Absolutely. He's a big, bad, nasty bully who should be pounding the little kids and taking their lunch money.

By far the greatest thing he's going to add to your army is forcing your opponent to deal with him, and they will need to deal with him. If they don't, they risk losing several objective holding units which could potentially cost them the game.

To be fair, I always envisaged (thanks to the background) that a Solitaire was a greater fighter than any other Harlequin; High Avatar included. I saw it as part of the cause for the reverence, and fear, that the other Eldar maintained (and the fact that he is blessed by the Laughing God). I've also considered that a Harlequin Trooper is better than a combat Exarch, and that a combat Exarch is probably only slightly below a Space Marine in terms of their ability with a blade.

As such, I'm a bit disappointed by the Solitaire's combat prowess. A Solitaire should be up there with a Phoenix Lord, who themselves should probably be more capable than a Chapter Master.

First, we still don't know about wargear, so there's that. If there's any moderately good defensive upgrades, this guy could very well become a staple.

Second, these are devotees of the laughing god. PL's and CM's are all well and good in a cinematic fight, but harlequins aren't in the least bit concerned with fair fights. It's their speed and ability that carry the day, not strength and durability. Getting locked down in a duel, trading blows is going to be a loss given their style. They want to be darting in and out of combat, their main defense being never getting hit in the first place. So, for me he seems pretty well in line with fluff. I would like to have seen more durability on him given that he has no way of hiding in a squad (and shouldn't), but he does fill the role of glass cannon well as is.

Third, and a bit OT, I'd disagree with your assessments on combat prowess. Exarch ~ Srg. Aspect warrior ~ Marine. Obviously table top and fluff differ, and that's w/out getting into the mastery of one area for the Eldar vs. being generalists as the Marines are. But between weaponry, training and agility an aspect warrior should be ~ equal or only slightly inferior to a marine. Back OT: while the Solitaire has always been a champ, the Eldar (Harlies/CWE/DE) avoid him because of his ties to Slannesh. While I'm sure he gets some respect from ability, most of it is the Eldar being superstitious about the fact that he/she's promised to Slannesh and has a pretty good chance of getting their soul eaten.

Blitz is amazing for an end-of-game objective grab across the table, or scoring line breaker.

 Dash2021 wrote:

 Lurker wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
*Sigh* Top table.... Your right but you rarely see much cool or variety at the "top" table anyway. At 145 points this guy is sick, he also appears to be non unique and an elite. I think these guys will make great maelstrom units, able to hide easily, speedy and can annihilate other msu units.

Did you expect him to go toe to toe and kill a CM or something? I mean, he can hold one off and bounce away now and hes WAY cheaper.

Also, again, notice he can take a relic from a table we don't have yet. Most un-upgraged character entries are far lamer then he.

All this. As a stand alone character, no he's probably not going to be an unstoppable killing machine regardless of wargear options. Wraith Lords and the Avatar proved single model units with moderate durability are not viable, and even Mantle only has a niche use.

Then again at 145 if he's not taking up an HQ slot, why not? With DS and the ability to hide out of LOS then pop in front of a unit, he's an amazing backfield disruption unit. Anything that can reliably take him down in combat wants to be on the opposite side of the table from him in your armies face. So can he take on a CM on a bike with shield eternal/TH? Probably not. Can he wipe grots/marines/warriors (necron/DE/Tau) off objectives? Absolutely. He's a big, bad, nasty bully who should be pounding the little kids and taking their lunch money.

By far the greatest thing he's going to add to your army is forcing your opponent to deal with him, and they will need to deal with him. If they don't, they risk losing several objective holding units which could potentially cost them the game.

To be fair, I always envisaged (thanks to the background) that a Solitaire was a greater fighter than any other Harlequin; High Avatar included. I saw it as part of the cause for the reverence, and fear, that the other Eldar maintained (and the fact that he is blessed by the Laughing God). I've also considered that a Harlequin Trooper is better than a combat Exarch, and that a combat Exarch is probably only slightly below a Space Marine in terms of their ability with a blade.

As such, I'm a bit disappointed by the Solitaire's combat prowess. A Solitaire should be up there with a Phoenix Lord, who themselves should probably be more capable than a Chapter Master.

First, we still don't know about wargear, so there's that. If there's any moderately good defensive upgrades, this guy could very well become a staple.

Second, these are devotees of the laughing god. PL's and CM's are all well and good in a cinematic fight, but harlequins aren't in the least bit concerned with fair fights. It's their speed and ability that carry the day, not strength and durability. Getting locked down in a duel, trading blows is going to be a loss given their style. They want to be darting in and out of combat, their main defense being never getting hit in the first place. So, for me he seems pretty well in line with fluff. I would like to have seen more durability on him given that he has no way of hiding in a squad (and shouldn't), but he does fill the role of glass cannon well as is.

Third, and a bit OT, I'd disagree with your assessments on combat prowess. Exarch ~ Srg. Aspect warrior ~ Marine. Obviously table top and fluff differ, and that's w/out getting into the mastery of one area for the Eldar vs. being generalists as the Marines are. But between weaponry, training and agility an aspect warrior should be ~ equal or only slightly inferior to a marine. Back OT: while the Solitaire has always been a champ, the Eldar (Harlies/CWE/DE) avoid him because of his ties to Slannesh. While I'm sure he gets some respect from ability, most of it is the Eldar being superstitious about the fact that he/she's promised to Slannesh and has a pretty good chance of getting their soul eaten.

Hmm, nice thoughts on the fighting style; I still contend that a Solitaire 'Getting locked down in a duel' is within the parameters of it's battlefield role in the background. His/her aptitude and arrogance would lead them to seek out the opposing skilled fighters amongst the opposition. Not so much martial honour, but rather an almost suicidal self belief. You would have to be (suicidal) to not be wearing a Spirit Stone.

Indeed, I subtly referenced the fear the Eldar possess for him regarding his embodiment of Slannesh. However, he's favoured by the Laughing God, who is willing to duel with Slaanesh for his soul. He's must to be amazing in combat, even amongst Harlequins, for him to earn that kind of favour.


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rollawaythestone wrote:
Blitz is amazing for an end-of-game objective grab across the table, or scoring line breaker.

Why? A Solitaire can always move 12". Thanks to the flip belt, he essentially has a jump pack (correct? Used to be the case).
The Blitz move is instead movement. So he is likely to move less that 12"...

Unless I'm missing something...

D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

 carabine wrote:
Well I figure this guy will make up his points so long as he has his charge. With that blitz he'll have 10 base attacks, 1 for the off hand, and one for the charge. 12 attacks, the caress giving him auto ap 2 wounds (or auto glance) on sixes to hit then adding one of those attacks is str 6 ap 2 because of the kiss. If he's on the charge he's str 4 so wounding meq on 4s, he's WS 9 so he's hitting on 3s and only being hit by average marines on 5s. Even without blitz when he's charging he has a 12 inch move, with a fleet charge and just 8 attacks (6 base, off hand, and charge).

On the recieving end against something like a 10 man tac squad she'll fair well. She strikes first with 7 attacks, 1 is automatically S6 and AP2, then odds showing at least one six to hit there, meaning we can start with 2 dead marines (likely the sgt due to challenges) then leaving his reamaining attacks dealing 1-2 wounds with either or both being saved, 8 marines retaliating on the charge, swinging with 16 attacks total, giving 5 or so hits, with 3 or 4 wounds, solitaire with a 3++ has a good chance of ignoring some or all. All in all thats probably 1-3 turns of tying up an entire squad that probably cost more than 145 pts and doing some damage every turn.

Regarding the Kiss: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/633275.page#7545455

 pretre wrote:
D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

Someone else can do the math, but realistically you'll only get around 18" on average.

 pretre wrote:
D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

Oh! I read it as roll a D6 and add it to the game turn. (E.G. Turn 3, roll a 5 = 8")

Thanks for the clarification!

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:
D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

Someone else can do the math, but realistically you'll only get around 18" on average.

21" average.

Average D6 is 3.5.

Blitz onto an objective guarded by an enemy MSU unit and assault it to death late game. That seems like quite an effective strategy to me. Keep the Solitaire hidden and cagey until it makes it's late game play for points.

While not as fast as Eldar Jetbikes, the Solitaire actually does a way better job of shifting units off objectives as part of its objective grab.

"ON PAPER"... The solitare looks like a BEAST!

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:
D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

Someone else can do the math, but realistically you'll only get around 18" on average.

21" average.

Average D6 is 3.5.

On turn 5 you only have a 6% chance of rolling lower than your 12 inch movement.
On turn 6 you only have a 1% chance of rolling lower than your 12 inch movement.

It's absolutely made for those last-minute late game plays at objectives or final game winning assaults.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 pretre wrote:
D6 times turn is 6-36" on turn 6. That's mostly better than 12".

Someone else can do the math, but realistically you'll only get around 18" on average.

21" average.

Average D6 is 3.5.

On turn 5 you only have a 6% chance of rolling lower than your 12 inch movement.
On turn 6 you only have a 1% chance of rolling lower than your 12 inch movement.

It's absolutely made for those last-minute late game plays at objectives or final game winning assaults.

Or for those of us who just want to recreate Quicksilver's scene in Days of Future Past but with 100% more space elf! Seriously, though, it's a pretty damn cool and useful ability.

 Red Corsair wrote:
...he also appears to be non unique and an elite...

The Solitaire is an Elite, but he is unique unforunately :(

Does Caress of Death cause the 6-to-hit to be discarded, or does it cause a wound in addition to the "to wound" roll that comes afterwards?

Bojazz wrote:
Does Caress of Death cause the 6-to-hit to be discarded, or does it cause a wound in addition to the "to wound" roll that comes afterwards?

Basically, that hit is a wound, without a need to roll. You still roll to wound for the rest of the attacks that hit, but no funky double wounding from one hit.

Ah okay, got it. The wording was pretty unclear on that one. Welcome to the forums, by the way!

Good old GW, using words and phrases that they happily fail to define anywhere.

And thanks! Loooooong time lurker, first time poster.

If they give them enough to be played as a solid stand alone force I'll be very interested.

 Ehsteve wrote:
The Solitaire is an Elite, but he is unique unforunately :(

Well if there was more than one of him he'd hardly be a Solitaire, would he?

Really tempted to actually pick some of these up.

Mostly for retro 2nd ed gaming.

Backfire wrote:
Well these look real nice. My only complaint about the sculpts is the overuse of 'tip-toeing on a shard object' -gimmick. Old Harlequins had some pretty silly poses, but there was bit more variation. These are like Witch Elves or Wild Riders - when everyone is on their toes leaping, it gets bit tiresome.

Floaty seems to be the cool trend with a lot the recent GW sculpts, liked some of the undead didn't understand why they all had to float.

Drazosh wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
Does Caress of Death cause the 6-to-hit to be discarded, or does it cause a wound in addition to the "to wound" roll that comes afterwards?

Basically, that hit is a wound, without a need to roll. You still roll to wound for the rest of the attacks that hit, but no funky double wounding from one hit.

This. It's kind of a bastardization of the old Harlie Kiss, where rending went of on rolls of 6 to hit. Kiss will usually be the better option on regular 'quins, with high attack characters (Hi solitaire) benefiting from the caress slightly more.

Against MEQ with 10 charging Harlequins (no master to keep it simple):

Kiss- 30 regular attacks = ___ ~3.2 unsaved wounds_________10 Kiss attacks = ~5.5 unsaved wounds_________Total= ~8.7 unsaved wounds

Embrace- ~20 HoW attacks = ~5.5 unsaved wounds_________40 Reg. attacks= ~4.3 unsaved wounds_________Total= 9.8 unsaved wounds

Caress- 40 Reg attacks=____~6.4 Caress wounds __________20 Regular hits= ~3.3 unsaved wounds_________Total= ~9.7 unsaved wounds


So they "should" all come out to be nearly identical. Embrace will certainly not perform as well as I've modeled here given that HoW is on a per model basis, and getting every Harlequin in B2B isn't always guaranteed. Besides which, you are getting virtually no benefit from the I10 benefit of HoW. You're already Initiative-Eldar and they have grenades (technology that they've never shared with DE apparently). You'll nearly always be going first in combat.

The points increase for Caress means we will probably end up using Kiss's on 'quins generally. Throwing prescience on them actually keeps the number of wounds ~ equal still. Caress really only makes sense for something like the Solitaire, which has a high probability of generating more than one AP2 wound in a round of combat.

Troupe master still does better on the charge with a Power Sword, so no change there. Also does slightly better after the charge with the PS as well. However, the difference is small (.5 more wounds on charge, .1 after) and you're paying 3x more for it than a kiss. I think you actually just stick with a kiss on the Troupe Master as well.

Disclaimer: All napkin math above, verify independently.

Thanks for the math but...

Please don't try and make 'quins a 'thing'!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks for the math but...

Please don't try and make 'quins a 'thing'!

Harlies sounds too much like we're talking about bikes, and there's no way I can reliably spell Harlequin correctly on a regular basis.

We could call them HQ's....oh wait...

You never know. That abbreviation might be freed up in 8th when there isn't even a FOC anymore...

Could call them EHs.


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For Eldar Harlequin.

Or..... Everyone could just suck it up and call them.... get this.... Harlequins.



Shocking, I know, having to use the actual word for something instead of abbreviating it to gak.

Mechanised Eldar Harlequins?

 Dash2021 wrote:

Drazosh wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
Does Caress of Death cause the 6-to-hit to be discarded, or does it cause a wound in addition to the "to wound" roll that comes afterwards?

Basically, that hit is a wound, without a need to roll. You still roll to wound for the rest of the attacks that hit, but no funky double wounding from one hit.

This. It's kind of a bastardization of the old Harlie Kiss, where rending went of on rolls of 6 to hit. Kiss will usually be the better option on regular 'quins, with high attack characters (Hi solitaire) benefiting from the caress slightly more.

Against MEQ with 10 charging Harlequins (no master to keep it simple):

Kiss- 30 regular attacks = ___ ~3.2 unsaved wounds_________10 Kiss attacks = ~5.5 unsaved wounds_________Total= ~8.7 unsaved wounds

Embrace- ~20 HoW attacks = ~5.5 unsaved wounds_________40 Reg. attacks= ~4.3 unsaved wounds_________Total= 9.8 unsaved wounds

Caress- 40 Reg attacks=____~6.4 Caress wounds __________20 Regular hits= ~3.3 unsaved wounds_________Total= ~9.7 unsaved wounds


So they "should" all come out to be nearly identical. Embrace will certainly not perform as well as I've modeled here given that HoW is on a per model basis, and getting every Harlequin in B2B isn't always guaranteed. Besides which, you are getting virtually no benefit from the I10 benefit of HoW. You're already Initiative-Eldar and they have grenades (technology that they've never shared with DE apparently). You'll nearly always be going first in combat.

The points increase for Caress means we will probably end up using Kiss's on 'quins generally. Throwing prescience on them actually keeps the number of wounds ~ equal still. Caress really only makes sense for something like the Solitaire, which has a high probability of generating more than one AP2 wound in a round of combat.

Troupe master still does better on the charge with a Power Sword, so no change there. Also does slightly better after the charge with the PS as well. However, the difference is small (.5 more wounds on charge, .1 after) and you're paying 3x more for it than a kiss. I think you actually just stick with a kiss on the Troupe Master as well.

Disclaimer: All napkin math above, verify independently.

Your math looks ok to me, but I'm no expert. In addition to your points about the embrace it only works for the first round of a charge, if you don't charge or are in the second turn of an assault it does nothing. One nice advantage of the caress over the kiss is that it can glance any vehicle to death, while the kiss can only damage up to AV12. In your example most super heavies would even go down in one charge (if you miraculously managed to get your harlequins to them).The kiss will probably kill MCs better though.

When we are going to have any news regarding the bikes? When is the next wave expected?

Presumably next week. What we don't know is whether this is a 2 or 3 week release but if it's the latter I except to see characters+book next week and bikes+vehicle the week after.

I favour PECs (prancing elf clowns)

what could be a simpler acronym for everybody to remember

considering that they're still the weaver and the bikes to be released, i'm expecting that the next WD preview will announce a ''last dance'' for next week.

I don't think GW has ever released 2 plastic box in the same week, and I doubt they'll do it now.

The Harlequins seem quite interesting. Depending on how their DT and the jetbikes pan out I might include a small allied detachment to round up my DE army.

In short, GIMME THE PICS AND RULES NAO!

My solitaire is gonna have their very own Venom to go vroom vroom around in, scaring little children away from objectives, then blitzing clear across the table to wipe a totally different objective out late game.

I am just hoping that the jetbikes are gonna be "generic" jetbikes and not harlequin specific.

Have jetbikes actually been confirmed yet?

No, not yet.

 Souleater wrote:
Mechanised Eldar Harlequins?

I think you meant HARLEQUIN HOLOARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

I wonder if they will have the same ally matrix as Craftworld and Dark Eldar or if GW will battle brother them with something else to sell more models.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Mechanised Eldar Harlequins?

I think you meant HARLEQUIN HOLOARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

This...This needs to be a thing

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Mechanised Eldar Harlequins?

I think you meant HARLEQUIN HOLOARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

This...This needs to be a thing

Well, they used to have Land Raiders. Brightly colored ones with funny banners.

I'm surprised 5+ invulns are as good as there protection gets.

Solitaire gets a 3+ Invul instead of 5+.

It is quite likely that the Black Library artifacts(of which a Troupe Master can actually take one) might have something to give more protection.

There's nothing to give the Veil Of Tears effect that I've seen yet, so there's a good chance there'll be an option for that somewhere.

2nd Ed Veil of Tears would nice.

 Azreal13 wrote:
There's nothing to give the Veil Of Tears effect that I've seen yet, so there's a good chance there'll be an option for that somewhere.

We still haven't seen the Shadowseer, so I'm guessing that'll hit in the next wave. Whether this can work will really come down to her and the transport.

Wishlist alert* I hope the Starweaver is an assault vehicle with the ability to unload passengers after going more than 6". I want to see Harlequins flipping out of that thing like a jack in the box!

 Asmodas wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
There's nothing to give the Veil Of Tears effect that I've seen yet, so there's a good chance there'll be an option for that somewhere.

We still haven't seen the Shadowseer, so I'm guessing that'll hit in the next wave. Whether this can work will really come down to her and the transport.

Wishlist alert* I hope the Starweaver is an assault vehicle with the ability to unload passengers after going more than 6". I want to see Harlequins flipping out of that thing like a jack in the box!

Agreed. I tend to play "slower" armies, which in the objective-based world of modern 40k, means I tend to struggle. If Harle's get a genuinely good transport, I will gladly start 1000pts worth of a collection to have as Allies. Thing is, right now they seem good in an assault, but like Repentia from Adepta Sororitas, they look like they'll be shot off the table before the even get close.