They all timed jumping off of stones at the exact same time...

What's this about a competition? Spend so much and get automatically entered or something?

Well now, a sweepstakes to go with the release huh? If GW manages to make the rules for this release reasonably-priced (Between free and $15 for 4-5 units) then I will be significantly impressed.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
What's this about a competition? Spend so much and get automatically entered or something?

Spend £40 on anything on their webstore, don't live in Aus/NZ, and you could be one of 5 people to win a Space Marine's height in GW product (so actually a heck of a lot).

Of course, as just one more 'feth you' to those of us who still play it, that can't include any Hobbit/LotR stuff (which is probably what I would choose if I entered and won).

Can't knock it though, at least it's something and all you have to do is buy something you might buy anyway.

Also, they've listed the height of a SM as 2.10m! Can we stop the endless debates on that now?

 Paradigm wrote:

Of course, as just one more 'feth you' to those of us who still play it, that can't include any Hobbit/LotR stuff (which is probably what I would choose if I entered and won).

To be fair, that's likely a result of the agreement with New Line rather than anything else.

The Christmas Wishlist competitions they did had the same caveat as far as I remember.

As it stands though, I ordered a Solitaire and Harlequin before I even knew about this. Could be a pleasant little surprise. Probably won't be.

That's a nice competition I should ent....

-Not in AUS/NZ-

...

So a mailshot from GW seems to confirm that rules for the Harlequins will be in White Dwarf as "The WD team bring present painting guides, rules and background for the Harlequins" with pics of WD for January 31st.

Has this been confirmed elsewhere?


https://gallery.mailchimp.com/136827b843bb2808e5ae537dd/images/caee141c-ae10-4791-9cbe-6cab03680938.jpg

So no book?

I have a feeling the leaks earlier on in the week came from the WD, but I think I'll still grab it for the rules. There has been speculation there will be a full book next week, but if they are in WD then go free on BL like the Nid stuff then that's even better!

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Not this week (week 1). Usually a codex will go up for pre order week 2 if it's a multiple week release.

We already saw the new release list which didn't indicate a book as well. However all other evidence points to one coming, probably leaked in the next 72 hours.

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

It'll probably follow form to the Nid release. Rules in the WD, then a supplement with the full rules, plus formations/special FOC.

Interestingly, Shadowseer and Death Jester models just went unavailable on the US site. Coincidence? It could just be people buying them up in anticipation, or it could be a sign of new models.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

 Accolade wrote:

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Honestly... yes!

Sorry I love Eldar. The rules don't matter to me nearly as much as having a cool Harlequin book with fluff text, art, and models. I honestly wouldn't mind if it was light on rules.

I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

Murrdox wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

Murrdox wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no book?

Seeing the recent release... this is what I'm afraid of. The sneak peak of the rules in White Dwarf look way too detailed to truly be a "peak" it looks like the COMPLETE rules. The fact that the complete rules are in White Dwarf make me worry they aren't doing a book.

Dammit GW what's wrong with you! I wanted to give you money!!! I was really looking forward to a full-length (or at least mini-length) hardcover harlequin book with rules and fluff.

You *wanted* to give them $50 for a dataslate's worth of rules?

(I realize there will probably be a book next week)

Honestly... yes!

Sorry I love Eldar. The rules don't matter to me nearly as much as having a cool Harlequin book with fluff text, art, and models. I honestly wouldn't mind if it was light on rules.

Well fair enough, to each his own!

To be clear, I wasn't being "unhappy" about the release, since it seems fashionable to mock posts that aren't 100% "this is amazing!". I was just genuinely curious about Murrdox's feelings on the topic.


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 Ghaz wrote:
I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

I believe you're right Ghaz.

 Ghaz wrote:
I believe the White Dwarf entry was missing the Warlord Traits table for Imperial Knights. If Harlequins do get their own codex, don't expect to see this available in either White Dwarf or GW's website.

I have a feeling IK in WD was missing Warlord Traits, the Senchnal/weaker Knight options, and the Knight detachment. That said, there was enough to go on to run one with just the WD.

I imagine these guys will go the same way; the stuff not in WD should fit on the back of a napkin, so you should be able to run these guys just from the Dwarf issues once the leaks hit for the traits, FOC and Relics. Of course, the last lot of WD rules are now free online, so that's an option too.

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

Cool, glad we can be mocking and condescending of someone asking a question. That'll teach us plebians to not ask questions!

Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

 Accolade wrote:

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm thinking that the Death Jester is going to definitely get the Solitaire treatment and become a very, very nasty customer.

I could easily see Shadowseers becoming an HQ choice, if we are in fact going to see a book, along with a possible "High Avatar" option.

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

We know there's an artifact list. It's called "Enigmas of the Black Library" and the Solitaire and Troupe Masters can take items from it.

 Accolade wrote:

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Seems if the rules are both in WD and the form of a book then everyone should be happy.

Ha! That was a good one.

Are you suggesting this is unlikely? Because at the moment, we have enough to go on to suggest the rules in WD will be enough to go on for those just wanting to throw in a squad or two, but at the same time have references to a Relic table more likely to be seen in a book. So it looks like the rules will be in both WD and book form.

I highlighted the unlikely part.

My tongue was firmly in cheek. But you never know (well, we do)

Cool, glad we can be mocking and condescending of someone asking a question. That'll teach us plebians to not ask questions!

Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Are we sure all the rules are in the WD? I could have sworn the Imperial Knights WD entry was missing a couple of key rules from the book. And yeah, you can say "just copy them down from someone's book copy" but I don't see how that's different than saying the same thing for a book like the new Grey Knights (which is so so similar to its previous iteration)- such that I don't think people are as accepting of this option.

But who am I fooling, the books are all such a mess these days that I'm guessing people are way more blasé about someone walking in with just photocopies of everything relevant.

As of right now, we do not have the (new) rules for Shadowseers or Death Jesters or the rules for the new "Starweaver" transport or the Black Library artifacts.

It's interesting as well that the Harlequin Troupe lost Shadowseers and Death Jesters from their upgrade options.

Hmm, I wonder if Shadowseers and Death Jesters will end up with the Solitaire treatment and serve as independent characters who may or may not be allowed to join other groups (I'm guessing Shadowseer yes, Death Jester no).

I'm assuming you'll see the remaining unit/vehicle rules in the next WD, I'm just curious if there will be the Artifact/Warlord Trait sections as well. We do have the rules for the Harlequin's equipment with this current issue, so there is hope.

I'd be down with splitting the Death Jesters from the Troupes, in all honesty. They don't mesh well, as they aren't a close combat unit and the Troupe usually wants to be either running or charging, whereas Death Jesters want to be shooting. Making them a 1-3 choice, like Hive Guard, would make sense. If they can shoot out of the top of a transport, that would be very nice, too.

I suspect we're not going to get a separate Death Jester mini

as if you look at the finecast one



the mask looks very like one of those (no 5) on the troupe sprue that's not featured heavily but is shown in the WD



so it might well be a case of rules showing up but you'll need to use one of them as the mini

I don't feel the Death Jester or Shadowseer are in desperate need of an update, they have nice models as is, although changing from finecast to plastic is something i wouldn't say no to.

I'd imagine they will get the Troupe Master treatment, 2W, high Ws/Bs and obviously, a big gun or mind bullets.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I suspect we're not going to get a separate Death Jester mini

as if you look at the finecast one

Spoiler:

the mask looks very like one of those (no 5) on the troupe sprue that's not featured heavily but is shown in the WD

Spoiler:

so it might well be a case of rules showing up but you'll need to use one of them as the mini

That might mean nothing. The mask that the Death Jester is wearing is meant to represent one of the Aspects of Khaine(that of Death), but not exclusive to the Death Jester.

Plus there's this line in the Harlequin Troupe's product description:

There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits.

I'm glad I found a metal Death Jester in a dump bin for $2. Might actually get some Harleys together for a display piece. I'd still rather get the metal ones, I think. Something about these new ones don't flow or feel as smooth. They feel rigid and lifeless in comparison.

If it wasn't a $50 conversion, I could see combining the new Solitaire with the DE Shadowblade (a better model in terms of pose) to make a truly stunning piece:

Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Whats crazy is you could easily glue the edge of the cape to the rock and it would still hold up just fine. I have a rat ogre swinging the bell from the Screaming bell kit. very thin chain and its had zero problems.

 Paradigm wrote:
Also, they've listed the height of a SM as 2.10m! Can we stop the endless debates on that now? D:

Ha!

No.

It's just in-universe propaganda.

 TheKbob wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Honestly, I think it could actually look really cool if it were more exaggerated, and the suit was painted to look like it was phasing through the rock (and perhaps coming out the other side?). As it is, it looks like a bad conversion.

Ya, if it had some of what ever is happening on the tip of his cloak, but happening in front of the rock.

The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

I think the new solitares rules will work well for my poor baron sathonax conversion.

Has anyone noticed that there are two of the same harlequin troupe on the GW site?

Any insight into a deeper meaning, or would this just be a website glitch?

One entry in the Eldar Elites section.
One entry in the Harlequin Troops section.

Similar to how Chaos Demons can be found in the 40k and Fantasy sections even though they're the same models.

I believe he's talking about two Harlequin Troupes on the Preorder Page.

Allies of Convenience Imperium? Hmm. That could be fun. If they have a decent transport, they could become handy allies for my Grey Knights, which would even be fluffy (even if I plan to use my Dark Eldar wych models to play them)

 Paradigm wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Quick question, I dont play any 40k but the Solitaire model is reaching out to me to convert it into a fantasy model.

The question! Is his cloak cutting through that rock? is that a thing in 40k? From the photo it looks like its clearly passing through the stone and he leaps over it...

Ew, I just saw that. I dunno if it's part of his "holosuit" stuff, but that's really poor looking.

Honestly, I think it could actually look really cool if it were more exaggerated, and the suit was painted to look like it was phasing through the rock (and perhaps coming out the other side?). As it is, it looks like a bad conversion.

If you look at the 360, the cloak doesn't go into the rock, it's just that the attachment point from the rock to the solitare is via his belt scarf to the rock, so it looks weird.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If you look at the 360, the cloak doesn't go into the rock, it's just that the attachment point from the rock to the solitare is via his belt scarf to the rock, so it looks weird.

Yeah, it's not really "cutting through" the stone, it's more like the edge of the material is touching the stone because he's leaping over it. It's still kinda "off" I guess, but your only other option is either a gigantic flight stand up his ass or the same tired "foot on rock" pose, so...

I'm very impressed with how they've done the heads. Rather than including eleventy billion heads, they just included a few, but the heads lack faces, so they have eleventy billion faces! Very good way of doing it.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

They look like "starweavers" to me.

Bojazz wrote:One entry in the Eldar Elites section.
One entry in the Harlequin Troops section.

Similar to how Chaos Demons can be found in the 40k and Fantasy sections even though they're the same models.

Ghaz wrote:I believe he's talking about two Harlequin Troupes on the Preorder Page.

Yeah, that's because there is one entry in Troops, and one entry in Elites, as Bojazz says. If you click on the Preorder Page (your link, Ghaz), and mouse over (but don't click) the first, the URL in will say "Harlequin-Troupe-Troop" and the other will say "Harlequin-Troupe-Elite".

 katfude wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Codex cover artwork is probably the one shown in the first seconds of the new GW Harlequin video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUma7TH6gI

They did this before, Dark Eldar had their codex cover teasered early amongst others. This artwork also shows... several modern-style Jetbikes

They look like "starweavers" to me.

Not skyweavers? You mean the transport? Comparing the pic with the DE codex cover they look like quite similiar to the dark eldar jetbikes

I think they're Craftworld Vypers in the background of that pic. The 'Quins do work with their kin after all.

The shapes look similiar to the Vyper's as well, yep

Totally theory crafting here, but wouldn't it be cool if the starweaver were actually a new dual Starweaver/Vyper kit?

Transports 6 Harlequins, or replaces the transport capacity to mount a heavy weapon?

I'd buy that.

Edit: also, Harlequin transfer sheet.

Neat.

The Paint Splatter 'next time' preview says: 'The Midnight Sorrow weave a dance across the sky'... So, Skyweavers next week, I guess. If the Starweaver is the DT, I'm guessing these are the Jetbikes?

There were rumors that the transport has a max 12 capacity. I hope its not a vyper/venom chassis and too small for a Quin troupe with Characters attached. The vyper/venom idea makes sense though

Not sure, Paradigm. The Midnight Sorrow is this painting scheme according to the Lexicanum wiki

It could be jetbikes or the transport/heavy support-kit

Yeah... I'll just do a paint scheme similar to Harley Quinn's if I get any. All that checks stuff would drive me mad!

I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

So you're going to get a sculptor to create multiple unique models that look like eldar harlequins? Is that a real thing or you're just saying it because you had no intention of buying harlequins anyway?

Probably looking at 2000$ to have someone do that... yes much more cost effective :p

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Anyway, damn you, Harlequins. I swore not to buy any models for a long time but they just keep tempting me.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Anyway, damn you, Harlequins. I swore not to buy any models for a long time but they just keep tempting me.

Indeed. It's a compromise I'm more than happy to make, the loss of 'natural' poses for the ability to customise the minis how I want them to look. And I honestly couldn't say I see an issue with these sculpts in that regard anyway; built how they are, and probably in several other combinations, they look perfectly fluid and natural to me. I mean, for Dancing Technicolour Space Elves, they're about as realistic as it gets.

Of course you need an eye for posing, but I reckon that since about the DE redux, GW have really done well with getting Eldar sculpts spot-on in terms of motion, feel and style.

 JOHIRA wrote:
I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

You keep referring to the human body. Eldar are not human, so your comparison makes as much sense as saying a sculpture of an ape is bad because it doesn't match the way a human would move.

Relapse wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:

Spoiler:

I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

You keep referring to the human body. Eldar are not human, so your comparison makes as much sense as saying a sculpture of an ape is bad because it doesn't match the way a human would move.

While what you're saying is, of course, correct, it doesn't take account of the fact that the only reference we have for bipedal, upright, humanoid motion is ourselves.

We have a deeply ingrained sense of what looks "right" and what looks "off" and justifying it feeling off by "they're not human" is ok, but won't make the poses feel any more correct.

I often have a similar discussion about cavalry models, having grown up in a horsey household and ridden myself when I was (much) younger, I often find myself more sensitive to inaccuracies in posing than those who haven't spent so much time on and around horses.

The difference here, of course, is we're all intimately familiar with how humanoids are supposed to look.

Personally, I think they're a decent kit, but they're lacking the sprinkling of unobtanium models need to get bought if they don't have an immediate gaming relevance for me.

Relapse wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

You keep referring to the human body. Eldar are not human, so your comparison makes as much sense as saying a sculpture of an ape is bad because it doesn't match the way a human would move.

As a sculpter myself I hate when people use this old dead argument. They are called elves, but they are the human form, period. While I am happy with the models, at 40 dollars for 6 plus bits I think they are fine. A premier individual pose would sell for at least 10 a pop and you'd start to require doubles. Though allowing for alternate weapons and heads would fix that problem too. Clearly GW is capable of making fantastically posed multipart models because one only needs to look at the dark eldar range. I personally will use a clown box and a wych kit to make 16 for ~60 dollars. Much more cost effective IMO.

@hilarious Red Corsair, I had the exact same thought on combining wytches and harlequins.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
I think they're very well-executed models compared to what GW has been doing lately. They fall short though of "great", for the same reason every GW multi-part plastic is going to fall short of "great"... they don't look like they're truly bodies in motion. Rather, they look like mannequins posed in the manner of how a school boy might think a body in motion might look if they've never tried to move athletically themselves.

It all comes down to GW's reliance on multi-part plastics. You'll never get a body that truly looks like it's in motion as long as you design all the parts of that body as separate pieces that have no relationship to each other. The human body isn't some robot machine where every limb moves completely independently, it's an armature sheathed in overlapping muscles that must balance against each other to keep the form together.

Which, if GW plastics were super-cheap, would make this sort of complaint completely irrelevant. If the Harlequin Troupe box was half its current price, I'd say it was a tremendous value and be totally willing to ignore the shortfalls in the sculpts. But when the company wants to charge top-dollar for average-quality results, I'm going to take my business to the plethora of sculptors out there who know what a human-like body in motion actually looks like. Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

You keep referring to the human body. Eldar are not human, so your comparison makes as much sense as saying a sculpture of an ape is bad because it doesn't match the way a human would move.

As a sculpter myself I hate when people use this old dead argument. They are called elves, but they are the human form, period. While I am happy with the models, at 40 dollars for 6 plus bits I think they are fine. A premier individual pose would sell for at least 10 a pop and you'd start to require doubles. Though allowing for alternate weapons and heads would fix that problem too. Clearly GW is capable of making fantastically posed multipart models because one only needs to look at the dark eldar range. I personally will use a clown box and a wych kit to make 16 for ~60 dollars. Much more cost effective IMO.

I think of the old White Dwarves that had stories about Harlies that were able to move in ways that humans could not duplicate, but I see what you are saying.

 Lobukia wrote:
@hilarious Red Corsair, I had the exact same thought on combining wytches and harlequins.

Great minds and all that

I mean they went to the trouble of giving us all those extra masks and weapons

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but I think this is pretty compelling evidence that there will be a Harlequins Codex or Dataslate coming out very soon. I mean, we all think there will be, but here's some tangible evidence.

The two new kits have rules in the White Dwarf. The rules refer to the units as "Troupe" and "Solitaire" respectively.

On the official packaging, GW calls them "Harlequin Troupe" and "Harlequin Solitaire" in much the same way they call the BA Tac Squad a "Blood Angels Tactical Squad". This pretty much confirms for me that Harlequin at the very least will be a Faction, either via new Codex or Dataslate.

Well, I think the most compelling part for a Harlequin faction is more this...

There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits.

This multi-part plastic kit contains 80 components with which to make a 6-man Harlequin Troupe. Also included are 6 x 25mm round bases and a Harlequins transfer sheet.

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but I think this is pretty compelling evidence that there will be a Harlequins Codex or Dataslate coming out very soon. I mean, we all think there will be, but here's some tangible evidence.

The two new kits have rules in the White Dwarf. The rules refer to the units as "Troupe" and "Solitaire" respectively.

On the official packaging, GW calls them "Harlequin Troupe" and "Harlequin Solitaire" in much the same way they call the BA Tac Squad a "Blood Angels Tactical Squad". This pretty much confirms for me that Harlequin at the very least will be a Faction, either via new Codex or Dataslate.

Not so much. That is likely lessons learned from the CHS case. In order to be a trademark - they must use it in trade (i.e. - a product named such, not just a word in a book...). Doesn't nescessarily mean they won't be a Codex/Dataslate (there is a heck of a lot more there there with Harlequins than many of the other "Codex" releases these past couple years...) - but the existence of it is not confirmation.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Well, I think the most compelling part for a Harlequin faction is more this...

There is a huge amount of variety for both posing and choosing weapons options and all of the components in this kit are fully interchangeable with the other Harlequin plastic kits.

This multi-part plastic kit contains 80 components with which to make a 6-man Harlequin Troupe. Also included are 6 x 25mm round bases and a Harlequins transfer sheet.

Other kits? This is very exciting...

Fully compatible with other kits.. like another box of Harlequin troupes! Better buy at least 2.

The terminology used is really similar to the terminology used with the Wych Cult and Reaver Jetbike/Hellion units back when they were initially released.

Ordered both for my sins.

Been after a Solitaire for years. Would be cool to go back and play a game of 2nd Edition when he was last available.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I personally will use a clown box and a wych kit to make 16 for ~60 dollars. Much more cost effective IMO.

Finally! The way to "make Wyches work"!!!

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but I think this is pretty compelling evidence that there will be a Harlequins Codex or Dataslate coming out very soon. I mean, we all think there will be, but here's some tangible evidence.

The two new kits have rules in the White Dwarf. The rules refer to the units as "Troupe" and "Solitaire" respectively.

On the official packaging, GW calls them "Harlequin Troupe" and "Harlequin Solitaire" in much the same way they call the BA Tac Squad a "Blood Angels Tactical Squad". This pretty much confirms for me that Harlequin at the very least will be a Faction, either via new Codex or Dataslate.

I think even more compelling is that they now have their own tab on the web store under 'Armies'

Are those bases the regular ones? These models would benefit more from the bigger 32mms.

Yes multipart will most of the times fall short in comparison with one pose sculpts but the variety of this kit seems to compensate that flaw and balances out the deal for me.

This kit looks fantastic! Kudos to GW are due.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Are those bases the regular ones? These models would benefit more from the bigger 32mms.

From the Product Description:

This multi-part plastic kit contains 80 components with which to make a 6-man Harlequin Troupe. Also included are 6 x 25mm round bases and a Harlequins transfer sheet.

Were the Harlequins & Solitaire in the new Dark Eldar codex?

I like the models but I feel keeping them attached to their ruins makes them seem more rigid. I think some brass rod at a different angle could make these guys a lot more dynamic.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Were the Harlequins & Solitaire in the new Dark Eldar codex?

Nay, there were no Harlequins rules in the most recent DE book. They are mentioned in the fluff, but the rules were pulled.

Ah that's a shame.

Thought that was a nice touch to have them in both.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
I personally will use a clown box and a wych kit to make 16 for ~60 dollars. Much more cost effective IMO.

Finally! The way to "make Wyches work"!!!

I plan to use straight wych models.
Lelith as a solitare.
Succubus as a Great Harlequin and/or shadowseer.
wyches as troops, with the various wych weapons as harlequin weapons- hydra gauntlets as harlry kiss, razor flails as caress, and net/impaler as embrace.

 Kirasu wrote:
So you're going to get a sculptor to create multiple unique models that look like eldar harlequins? Is that a real thing or you're just saying it because you had no intention of buying harlequins anyway?

Uhh... not sure where that came from. What I'm saying is I'm not going to buy these. Because I don't need to buy these, and because in my mind they aren't a quality worthy of the price. If they were far less expensive, I would buy them. But to me their unnatural posing makes them look more like toys than models, and I'm not the sort of person to drop excessive money on toys.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Even though I don't agree with you, that's a fair enough opinion and I appreciate you not decending into silly straw-man or defensive territory the way certain other posters have.

I guess the way I see it, based on the background I would never want a whole army of Harlequins anyway. So a well-sculpted set of say 10 unique poses should be enough to randomly select 6 or so for a box from, plus however many models are needed for special weapons.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Clearly GW is capable of making fantastically posed multipart models because one only needs to look at the dark eldar range.

I likewise appreciate your reasonable response and I've quoted the part I disagree with. I just looked through the Dark Eldar plastics and I wouldn't call them "fantastically posed". The only units that truly looks like a realistic body in motion holding weapons that have weight are the Incubi, which are monopose, and the Scourges, which are multi-pose plastics but which are really just the same pose for the most part, just with the body weight shifted to the left or right. Of the remaining plastic units, everything looks off to some degree. For the Kabalite Warriors, you see it in the way the squad leader's weapons appear to be weightless (because his body cannot be designed to be braced against the weight of them.) For the Wyches, everything just looks like a mish-mash of limbs not moving in a realistic way. And for the Wracks, well, the less said the better.

I'm not begrudging anyone who wants these figures. I'm just saying that at those prices, I don't think they're quite good enough. And given GW's approach, I don't think they ever will be.

Fun fact for you guys: I visited two gaming stores and called a third. 2 were out of WD and my store closest to me got zero shipped (they usually order 4 every week for certain people).

Figures. Normally White Dwarf is near worthless and you really can't give them away. When it actually has content in it for once, though, it's impossible to get.

Okay, now someone go find the next WD so I know how many DTs to get for my happy clown killers.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Figures. Normally White Dwarf is near worthless and you really can't give them away. When it actually has content in it for once, though, it's impossible to get.

Thus demonstrating the law of supply and demand.

Huh- just left my store a couple minutes ago. They had four still sitting on the shelf.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but I think this is pretty compelling evidence that there will be a Harlequins Codex or Dataslate coming out very soon. I mean, we all think there will be, but here's some tangible evidence.

The two new kits have rules in the White Dwarf. The rules refer to the units as "Troupe" and "Solitaire" respectively.

On the official packaging, GW calls them "Harlequin Troupe" and "Harlequin Solitaire" in much the same way they call the BA Tac Squad a "Blood Angels Tactical Squad". This pretty much confirms for me that Harlequin at the very least will be a Faction, either via new Codex or Dataslate.

Not so much. That is likely lessons learned from the CHS case. In order to be a trademark - they must use it in trade (i.e. - a product named such, not just a word in a book...). Doesn't nescessarily mean they won't be a Codex/Dataslate (there is a heck of a lot more there there with Harlequins than many of the other "Codex" releases these past couple years...) - but the existence of it is not confirmation.

It is actually interesting to note that I think all GW boxes (or at least all non-character ones) that have come out recently have had the naming format "Army Unit". Flashgitz are labelled "Ork Flashgitz", the Gorkanaught is "Ork Gorkanaught", Venomthropes are "Tyranid Venomthropes", even in WHFB the Eternal Guard are "Wood Elves Eternal Guard", Stormfiends are "Skaven Stormfiends", the only exception is the End Times characters I think.

So it would be odd for Harlequins not to be labelled "Eldar Harlequins" if they were only in Eldar. But obviously the most compelling thing is they have their own tab

I think the most compelling this is we got these rumours from a reliable source a long way out and so far they have been spot on.

If I had to choose between "The way their box is named", "Rumours have been right so far", and "They have their own army tab" for the "most compelling" category, I'd choose the latter... but only barely.

 JOHIRA wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Even if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models. Especially if that means I have to buy single-pose resin/metal models, because single-pose is the only way to really ensure that your model truly looks like a human-like body in motion.

To each their own, I suppose. I definitely prefer diversity and the ability to customise the models. Even at the expense of half-realistic poses and the like.

Even though I don't agree with you, that's a fair enough opinion and I appreciate you not decending into silly straw-man or defensive territory the way certain other posters have.

I guess the way I see it, based on the background I would never want a whole army of Harlequins anyway. So a well-sculpted set of say 10 unique poses should be enough to randomly select 6 or so for a box from, plus however many models are needed for special weapons.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Clearly GW is capable of making fantastically posed multipart models because one only needs to look at the dark eldar range.

I likewise appreciate your reasonable response and I've quoted the part I disagree with. I just looked through the Dark Eldar plastics and I wouldn't call them "fantastically posed". The only units that truly looks like a realistic body in motion holding weapons that have weight are the Incubi, which are monopose, and the Scourges, which are multi-pose plastics but which are really just the same pose for the most part, just with the body weight shifted to the left or right. Of the remaining plastic units, everything looks off to some degree. For the Kabalite Warriors, you see it in the way the squad leader's weapons appear to be weightless (because his body cannot be designed to be braced against the weight of them.) For the Wyches, everything just looks like a mish-mash of limbs not moving in a realistic way. And for the Wracks, well, the less said the better.

I'm not begrudging anyone who wants these figures. I'm just saying that at those prices, I don't think they're quite good enough. And given GW's approach, I don't think they ever will be.

I far prefer multipose and multiconfiguration, simply because it gives me many reasons to buy multiples of the same kit. To take a simple example, I have purchased in all, about 10 furioso Dreadnought boxes (you don't want to know how many Dreadnoughts of all sorts I own... most certainly 3 digits). I would never do that, if it weren't possible to (a) pose them so that they didn't all look the same and (b) build them as 3 very distinct models (Furioso, Librarian, DC Dread). The torsos, gear, etc. of the 3 builds are distinct enough modelling them is fun. And the posability makes it so that if I want several Fragiosos, for instance, they don't have to look like clones.

I appreciate that some of the poses aren't anatomically perfect, but really, we're talking about superheroic humans and superheroic aliens nearly 40 thousand years into the future, so who's to say? I think the GW poses are comic-book looking. For instance, a human would not fit into a suit of Terminator armor; shoulder joints should not be at the level of one's ears, and yet, of all GW models, Terminators are my favorite. I guess, what I am saying is, to me, anatomic correctness and accurate bodies in motion is (far) less important than cool, posable, configurable scifi toy soldiers that I can model and paint up.

Also, I don't really see the fuss at $10 models. Frankly, I think $10 / model is cheap. I buy nearly all the new release Privateer Press models, and they're certainly never cheaper than that. Infinity models are in that price strata too. Are there any other scifi models I should be looking at that are fantastic and "army-able"?

@Red Corsair - I would agree with you on the Dark Eldar collection. I have collected every model made for DE since their inception simply because of the beauty of their models. The Succubus is amazing (though sadly, single pose); the vehicles like the Raider and Ravager are awesome. Reavers are so superior to Eldar jetbike models that it's not funny. And, I think Kabalites and Wyches are by far the best 10-pack infantry models. Frankly, I think they are GW's best sculpting work.

Iwas just having a look at the new set(s) on the GW website. 'll definitely pick up a box (or two) of the harlequins. £31 for a box of 6....not the cheapest but....ehhh....ok. There's some nice choices in there and have a few ideas already to make them all as individual as posible. The Solitaire though......£21 for a single troop sized figure....bit on the steep side I reckon. It's a 9 piece kit with NO build choices (barring the wee bit to stick on for his holo shield).....they're not gonna be making any friends with that one. Just my 2 cents fwiw

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


So it would be odd for Harlequins not to be labelled "Eldar Harlequins" if they were only in Eldar. But obviously the most compelling thing is they have their own tab

In the WD rules for the boxes, it's pretty clear that they are a faction. It says, under Using the New Models: "You can use the new Harlequin Troupe and Solitaire as allies for your Warhammer 40,000 armies. Their levels of alliance are as listed below: Battle Brothers: Dark Eldar, Eldar. Allies of Convienience: Armies of the Imperium, Tau Empire. ..."

Therefore, it would cause immense controversy if they were called "Eldar Harlequin Troupe" because, from a competitive perspective:

- Most tournaments only allow for 1 ally. So if it's an Eldar Primary Detachment, Harlequins would take up that slot. So, you couldn't take IK or DE, for example.
- If it's part of the Eldar faction, it would fit on a CAD/Formation slots (Troop or Elite), rather than as an ally

I'm happy with the naming, so's to eliminate any rules lawyering based on the box unit name.

Januine wrote:
Iwas just having a look at the new set(s) on the GW website. 'll definitely pick up a box (or two) of the harlequins. £31 for a box of 6....not the cheapest but....ehhh....ok. There's some nice choices in there and have a few ideas already to make them all as individual as posible. The Solitaire though......£21 for a single troop sized figure....bit on the steep side I reckon. It's a 9 piece kit with NO build choices (barring the wee bit to stick on for his holo shield).....they're not gonna be making any friends with that one. Just my 2 cents fwiw

The troupe is £24 and the solitaire is £16?

Talys wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


So it would be odd for Harlequins not to be labelled "Eldar Harlequins" if they were only in Eldar. But obviously the most compelling thing is they have their own tab

In the WD rules for the boxes, it's pretty clear that they are a faction. It says, under Using the New Models: "You can use the new Harlequin Troupe and Solitaire as allies for your Warhammer 40,000 armies. Their levels of alliance are as listed below: Battle Brothers: Dark Eldar, Eldar. Allies of Convienience: Armies of the Imperium, Tau Empire. ..."

Therefore, it would cause immense controversy if they were called "Eldar Harlequin Troupe" because, from a competitive perspective:

- Most tournaments only allow for 1 ally. So if it's an Eldar Primary Detachment, Harlequins would take up that slot. So, you couldn't take IK or DE, for example.
- If it's part of the Eldar faction, it would fit on a CAD/Formation slots (Troop or Elite), rather than as an ally

I'm happy with the naming, so's to eliminate any rules lawyering based on the box unit name.

I'm confused here. Harlequins are in the Eldar rulebook as an elites choice.

Relapse wrote:

Talys wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


So it would be odd for Harlequins not to be labelled "Eldar Harlequins" if they were only in Eldar. But obviously the most compelling thing is they have their own tab

In the WD rules for the boxes, it's pretty clear that they are a faction. It says, under Using the New Models: "You can use the new Harlequin Troupe and Solitaire as allies for your Warhammer 40,000 armies. Their levels of alliance are as listed below: Battle Brothers: Dark Eldar, Eldar. Allies of Convienience: Armies of the Imperium, Tau Empire. ..."

Therefore, it would cause immense controversy if they were called "Eldar Harlequin Troupe" because, from a competitive perspective:

- Most tournaments only allow for 1 ally. So if it's an Eldar Primary Detachment, Harlequins would take up that slot. So, you couldn't take IK or DE, for example.
- If it's part of the Eldar faction, it would fit on a CAD/Formation slots (Troop or Elite), rather than as an ally

I'm happy with the naming, so's to eliminate any rules lawyering based on the box unit name.

I'm confused here. Harlequins are in the Eldar rulebook as an elites choice.

Don't worry. They won't be in the next Eldar codex.

 Wilson wrote:

Januine wrote:
Iwas just having a look at the new set(s) on the GW website. 'll definitely pick up a box (or two) of the harlequins. £31 for a box of 6....not the cheapest but....ehhh....ok. There's some nice choices in there and have a few ideas already to make them all as individual as posible. The Solitaire though......£21 for a single troop sized figure....bit on the steep side I reckon. It's a 9 piece kit with NO build choices (barring the wee bit to stick on for his holo shield).....they're not gonna be making any friends with that one. Just my 2 cents fwiw

The troupe is £24 and the solitaire is £16?

Soz - my bad; I hit £ instead of €

 Dendarien wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Talys wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


So it would be odd for Harlequins not to be labelled "Eldar Harlequins" if they were only in Eldar. But obviously the most compelling thing is they have their own tab

In the WD rules for the boxes, it's pretty clear that they are a faction. It says, under Using the New Models: "You can use the new Harlequin Troupe and Solitaire as allies for your Warhammer 40,000 armies. Their levels of alliance are as listed below: Battle Brothers: Dark Eldar, Eldar. Allies of Convienience: Armies of the Imperium, Tau Empire. ..."

Therefore, it would cause immense controversy if they were called "Eldar Harlequin Troupe" because, from a competitive perspective:

- Most tournaments only allow for 1 ally. So if it's an Eldar Primary Detachment, Harlequins would take up that slot. So, you couldn't take IK or DE, for example.
- If it's part of the Eldar faction, it would fit on a CAD/Formation slots (Troop or Elite), rather than as an ally

I'm happy with the naming, so's to eliminate any rules lawyering based on the box unit name.

I'm confused here. Harlequins are in the Eldar rulebook as an elites choice.

Don't worry. They won't be in the next Eldar codex.

Right, just like the were in the old Dark Eldar (5e) Codex, but removed from the 7e Codex. So, you have a choice with your models at the moment, playing 6e Eldar (elites) or as the WD53 version (troops) with access to stuff like Neuro disruptor instead of shuriken pistol, and the new Starweaver dedicated transport (coming WD54). I'm guessing WD54 will have some other Harlequin stuff too, since we're missing Death Jesters and Shadowseers at the moment.



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Januine wrote:
Iwas just having a look at the new set(s) on the GW website. 'll definitely pick up a box (or two) of the harlequins. £31 for a box of 6....not the cheapest but....ehhh....ok. There's some nice choices in there and have a few ideas already to make them all as individual as posible. The Solitaire though......£21 for a single troop sized figure....bit on the steep side I reckon. It's a 9 piece kit with NO build choices (barring the wee bit to stick on for his holo shield).....they're not gonna be making any friends with that one. Just my 2 cents fwiw

Yeah, but this is the case with practically every unique/independent character/named character/hq. Looking only at plastics, Sanguine Priest, Succubus, BA Librarian, DE Avatar, Farseer, etc, are all very expensive models with no customization, or at most, a weapon swap. It's that way too with PP on the Warcasters (look at the price of Bradigus, for instance). Partly, the cost is justified by the manufacturer by more unique and more complex models; but mostly, it's just that they're not going to sell a ton of them, so they raise the price.

Taking DE Succubus for an example -- you could take a female Kabalite or Wych and build that model to look "Succubus-like" -- close enough for a reasonable proxy -- at like a tenth of the price. Or, looking at Blood Angels, you can build yourself a believable Dante out of Sanguinary Guard bits.

It's worth noting that the Codex:Apocrypha in this week's WD fairly explicitly mentions Shadowseers and Death Jesters and what they add to the Troupe, so I imagine they will turn up before the end of this release.

For the first time in ages, I've been interested in getting WD and it's sold out at GW

 Flashman wrote:
For the first time in ages, I've been interested in getting WD and it's sold out at GW

Go digital buddy- saves you a lot of trouble!

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
For the first time in ages, I've been interested in getting WD and it's sold out at GW

Go digital buddy- saves you a lot of trouble!

Yes, wife has an ipad, so I could do. I'm a grumpy (almost) middle aged man though and like my books and magazines to be corporeal

No biggie, I'll get the Codex when it appears.

These products were not officially announced yet but we have heard of them by reliable rumormongers:

Skyweaver Jetbikes (according to Darnok's source which was 100% correct so far)
Starweaver Transporter/Heavy Support Vehicle dual-kit (according to Sad Panda whose Solitaire miniature description was spot on a week before the pics got leaked)
Shadowseer (according to Sad Panda)
Deathjester ( " )


This can at least be considered being part of the release:

Codex: Harlequins (everything hints towards a printed codex book - the 'Quin webshop tab, several new unit datasheets in WD like during the other codex releases, yet missing content like the artefacts and wl traits, Swanland-style cover artwork in the video, ally allignments rules, etc)

Monday and Tuesday cannot come fast enough

Stop trying to make 'Quin happen.


It's Harlis.

One thing that I do have to keep in mind when I'm looking at the price of the Solitaire is that I only need one of them. I don't mind paying that higher price once compared to many times I suppose.

I can't wait to pick these bad boys up next week! I've already got my bottle caps saved up and stashed away!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stop trying to make 'Quin happen.


It's Harlis.

Sorry but you're wrong. Clearly the only option is Space Clowns.

 xttz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stop trying to make 'Quin happen.


It's Harlis.

Sorry but you're wrong. Clearly the only option is Space Clowns.

Murder Death Space Clowns. Keeping the universe safe via the power of interpretive dance.

When the codex is released, would they do a special edition version of it too? with the art prints and such?

I'm a wee bit of a collector and that's deffs my bag

They did for Imperial Knights but not for Militarum Tempestus...so, maybe?

 Nyoom wrote:
When the codex is released, would they do a special edition version of it too? with the art prints and such?

I'm a wee bit of a collector and that's deffs my bag

I think that depends a lot on the nature of the codex. Have the one-unit codexes received special editions? I don’t recall MT, IK, and such getting them. That assumes there is a physical book in the first place, and it’s not purely digital.

I’m guessing “no”, but that’s just my personal opinion.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stop trying to make 'Quin happen.


It's Harlis.

I prefer clown

 Nevelon wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stop trying to make 'Quin happen.


It's Harlis.

Sorry but you're wrong. Clearly the only option is Space Clowns.

Murder Death Space Clowns. Keeping the universe safe via the power of interpretive dance.

Wouldn't that Be Killer Clowns from Outer Space? Oh wait, that's already a thing.

Never stopped GW before...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Never stopped GW before...

It came right out of our non-influenceable designer's minds!

Harlis (or Quins) (I think) go back way before this I'm sorry to inform you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095444/

Or maybe not, looking at the dates.

 ceorron wrote:
Harlis (or Quins) (I think) go back way before this I'm sorry to inform you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095444/

Or maybe not, looking at the dates.

It would be close. 40k compendium had harlequins, and that was around that time.

However -- have you guys actually seen Killer Klowns? Because the Klowns in there are the furthest things from a Harlequin Troupe Eldar of the Laughing God, they are not..

I'm looking at the new rules and liking them a lot. I've got around a dozen OLD Rogue Trader ish models and am looking to figure out what the weapons are on them. The Kiss and Shuriken Pistols are obvious enough, anyone with old school cred able to tell me what all else I'm looking at? There's sort of a power fist looking deal which could be Caress, and a couple of odd looking pistol/machineguns. Anyone?

Pics would help, but basically you'll (and I'm doing this from memory, so don't take it as gospel) have
Powerfist looking thing is a Powerfist
If they're not toting shuriken pistols, they're probably las pistols
Then you'll have a variety of swords, mostly power IIRC
There may be a death jester, he has a shuriken cannon

Now, being so old, after all that remembering I need to lie down.

Talys wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
Harlis (or Quins) (I think) go back way before this I'm sorry to inform you. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095444/

Or maybe not, looking at the dates.

It would be close. 40k compendium had harlequins, and that was around that time.

However -- have you guys actually seen Killer Klowns? Because the Klowns in there are the furthest things from a Harlequin Troupe Eldar of the Laughing God, they are not..

Yes, I know they're completely unrelated, but when I hear "Killer Space Clowns" I think of that movie before I think of Harliquins, and the comparison made me laugh.

aushlo wrote:
I'm looking at the new rules and liking them a lot. I've got around a dozen OLD Rogue Trader ish models and am looking to figure out what the weapons are on them. The Kiss and Shuriken Pistols are obvious enough, anyone with old school cred able to tell me what all else I'm looking at? There's sort of a power fist looking deal which could be Caress, and a couple of odd looking pistol/machineguns. Anyone?

One of the problems is that in the old RT days, everyone used the same gear. Some races just favored certain things.



Top row middle guy the odd gun is a webber
Second row, first guy has a hand flamer
Bottom middle, the crystal looking one is a neural disruptor.

Everything else should be recognizable. Mostly las/shur pistols, power weapons, etc.

On bols, pg 25 of rumor roundup someone claims to have seen a wd scan with jetbikes.

He said they were longer than normal and had a pilot and another clown riding bitch style!!


Sounds promising and I hope we get scans!!!

 Nevelon wrote:

aushlo wrote:
I'm looking at the new rules and liking them a lot. I've got around a dozen OLD Rogue Trader ish models and am looking to figure out what the weapons are on them. The Kiss and Shuriken Pistols are obvious enough, anyone with old school cred able to tell me what all else I'm looking at? There's sort of a power fist looking deal which could be Caress, and a couple of odd looking pistol/machineguns. Anyone?

One of the problems is that in the old RT days, everyone used the same gear. Some races just favored certain things.



Top row middle guy the odd gun is a webber
Second row, first guy has a hand flamer
Bottom middle, the crystal looking one is a neural disruptor.

Everything else should be recognizable. Mostly las/shur pistols, power weapons, etc.

I had this boxed set. Loved it. Seems it got lost in one of my moves. Gutted :(

I always liked the Solitare with the Lightning Claw.

I actually played a game with those exact minis tonight, they got mauled, target number one.

Good call, Azreal and Nevelon. Well deserved naps to you both! Found a couple of numbered pics. In the first I have 1, 4, 5, 2X6, 7,8,10,12, and 14. In the second I have 2X430605, 2X430609, also one that looks like 430606 but with a chainsword which I'm guessing is an old Eldar named character which I have a fair few of. I also have a later gen High Avatar evidently. I'd forgotten to look for box backs. I may call the fists Caress, maybe the lightning claw could stand in for an Embrace. Also, was lucky enough to score a metal Harlequin Jetbike in a bits bin as well as a second front plate for another.

It looks like Harlequins will get a 'two-rider jetbike'

Ezec on Warseer

Originally Posted by Ezec
Had a quick glance yesterday at a scan from an upcoming dwarf, with the jetbikes (skyweavers). The profile was there but I couldn't look at it, my source (gw) showed me the scan just to tease me... ;p

The bikes themselves are stunning, they look larger (actually longer) than the existing eldar / DE jetbikes. There are two riders on each : one driver and another harlequin standing at the back.

I didn't have time to see much more, sorry... But from what I saw, they look splendid!

There is also a blurry, heavily-cut photo of it


I found it on B&C

FFS.. Someone get a proper image. Not some gakky blurred crap lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
FFS.. Someone get a proper image. Not some gakky blurred crap lol.

Seriously, this stuff is quickly turning into UFO sightings.

Crappy image, but confirms the idea. Which is damn cool, I reckon! I imagine they will be 3-a-box at Ravenwing CS (£33) prices, which would be too much for me.

I know. Next thing we'll get is a blurred image of the Loch Ness monster or Sasquatch and that'll count as a leaked image..

Are we sure these are actually JETBIKES and not a Venomesque transport...?

This is turning out better and better. I haven't been interested in 40k for ages.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
FFS.. Someone get a proper image. Not some gakky blurred crap lol.

It's not blurred, it's just artifact from being zoomed up so much from the original resolution. It's like 50 pixels across normally, and probably meant to be the little button for the WD Blog on the website.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
FFS.. Someone get a proper image. Not some gakky blurred crap lol.

Nono. A proper rumour has crappy pics. Crappier the pics, more street cred for the rumour.

 Knight wrote:
This is turning out better and better. I haven't been interested in 40k for ages.

It really is a huge thing to see GW think out of the box(Imperium).

Anyone think those new jetbikes are actually chariots. The setup on the blurry pic indicate it.
Then, perhaps, a shadow weaver on chariot for HQ?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
FFS.. Someone get a proper image. Not some gakky blurred crap lol.

Blurry earthquake photos are so last year. New leaks have to to let us SEE the pixels. All 20 of them.

And they need to be in grayscale.

Those were just avant garde photos to fit with the Harli theme.

When the colour ones did come out they were the terrible, badly lit, odd angled, weirdly cropped photos we're used to. Personally I blame society - we've all collectively become worse at taking photos now that there are more cameras in the world than there were 10 years ago.

I presume it's similar to the "Speed Force" in DC comics - the more people use it, the less power each person can draw (it's to do with the DC hero the Flash... and cameras have a flash... coincidence? I think not!). So the "Photo Force", when we had actual film and cameras were expensive, meant that photos were a big deal. Disposable cameras were the first time the "Photo Force" found itself depleted, and now with everyone having a mobile phone (or more than one), that power to take good photos has been further depleted. Thus, the "selfie" is the most destructive force on Earth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those were just avant garde photos to fit with the Harli theme.

When the colour ones did come out they were the terrible, badly lit, odd angled, weirdly cropped photos we're used to. Personally I blame society - we've all collectively become worse at taking photos now that there are more cameras in the world than there were 10 years ago.

I presume it's similar to the "Speed Force" in DC comics - the more people use it, the less power each person can draw (it's to do with the DC hero the Flash... and cameras have a flash... coincidence? I think not!). So the "Photo Force", when we had actual film and cameras were expensive, meant that photos were a big deal. Disposable cameras were the first time the "Photo Force" found itself depleted, and now with everyone having a mobile phone (or more than one), that power to take good photos has been further depleted. Thus, the "selfie" is the most destructive force on Earth.

Half Life 3 confirmed.

 Fayric wrote:

 Knight wrote:
This is turning out better and better. I haven't been interested in 40k for ages.

It really is a huge thing to see GW think out of the box(Imperium).

Anyone think those new jetbikes are actually chariots. The setup on the blurry pic indicate it.
Then, perhaps, a shadow weaver on chariot for HQ?

It seems the Harlequin bikers fight like in those Kaneda's vs Clown Gang battle scenes in Akira

I know chariots would seem to follow trend but wouldn't it be awesome to see rules that turn each bike into a single man transport.

Total Road Warrior style...

Chariot? It will be santa claus Logan's sled pulled by lizards instead of wolves?

Talking about abbreviations, how about Insane Clown Pose (ICP)

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Talking about abbreviations, how about Insane Clown Pose (ICP)

"Fething flip belts, how do they work?"

Here I was hoping that GW would use this as an opportunity to update the Eldar's antiquated jetbikes by giving us a dual Craftworld Eldar/Harlequin jetbike kit. Looks like I was wrong on that prediction.

Not necessarily, we have separate rumours about bikes and a transport and nothing definitive saying what the latest leak is.

bikes could also end up being similar to the Falcon/Serpent?Prisim kits too.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
bikes could also end up being similar to the Falcon/Serpent?Prisim kits too.

Well, they wouldn't be bikes then, more tanks/transports...

From Nikolas94 on Warseer, author of the l'Astropate blog, a small pic of next month's Visions mag



I partly disagree with his description though. It looks to be
- Skyweaver Jetbikes in the back and on the left side, rider and passenger in a row, the latter armed with a cc weapon ready to strike
- Starweaver transport/heavy support vehicle on the right side, Vyper chassis-shape but larger, with a turret or passenger compartment behind two riders sitting in the cockpit next to each other
- He is totally right with the Deathjester, new model

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373537&viewfull=1#post7373537

ENHANCE!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always liked the Solitare with the Lightning Claw.

That guy was actually the head Warlock what is now the shadow seer. I still have him.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
ENHANCE!!

Make it so!

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Nikolas94 on Warseer, author of the l'Astropate blog, a small pic of next month's Visions mag



I partly disagree with his description though. It looks to be
- Skyweaver Jetbikes in the back and on the left side, rider and passenger in a row, the latter armed with a cc weapon ready to strike
- Starweaver transport/heavy support vehicle on the right side, Vyper chassis-shape but larger, with a turret or passenger compartment behind two riders sitting in the cockpit next to each other
- He is totally right with the Deathjester, new model

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373537&viewfull=1#post7373537

Wow. That skyweaver looks... Incredibly stupid.

 Verviedi wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Nikolas94 on Warseer, author of the l'Astropate blog, a small pic of next month's Visions mag



I partly disagree with his description though. It looks to be
- Skyweaver Jetbikes in the back and on the left side, rider and passenger in a row, the latter armed with a cc weapon ready to strike
- Starweaver transport/heavy support vehicle on the right side, Vyper chassis-shape but larger, with a turret or passenger compartment behind two riders sitting in the cockpit next to each other
- He is totally right with the Deathjester, new model

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7373537&viewfull=1#post7373537

Wow. That skyweaver looks... Incredibly stupid.

I agree, all 5 pixels look terrible!

I'm going to hold off on my opinions on the Starweaver until I can actually see the Starweaver

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm going to hold off on my opinions on the Starweaver until I can actually see the Starweaver

Worst comes to worst I can simply convert it, I've been wanting a Harlequin army for a long time... and if I get a legit one... Hell I'd actually consider buying things from GW and not online... some things...
There are still a few oldies I want for the army And I still got like all the troops I think I'll need, maybe 1 more box needed.
But I am excited. Haven't been stoked about a 40k army for a long, long time

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm going to hold off on my opinions on the Starweaver until I can actually see the Starweaver

Worst comes to worst I can simply convert it, I've been wanting a Harlequin army for a long time... and if I get a legit one... Hell I'd actually consider buying things from GW and not online... some things...
There are still a few oldies I want for the army And I still got like all the troops I think I'll need, maybe 1 more box needed.
But I am excited. Haven't been stoked about a 40k army for a long, long time

Agreed. Been well looking forward to Harlequins. Reckoning the starweaver will be some sort of variation on or in the vein of the DE Venom. Worse comes to the worst and it really sucks - convert it or a venom to be more........'Quin-ey....

And the Venom kit looks like its begging for conversion... Vyper would have been a little harder, but they're all the same platform.

Harlequins used to have the Venom, confused why they didn't get it back...
I assumed this new tank will be a duel thing, either transport or it'll get a gun and just shoot (eg Raider/Ravager dealie) I'm calling it.
I can't imagine why they'd not get an HQ (be it the Shadowseer or bringing back the Great Harlequin of old).
I imagine it will look something like;
HQ - Shadowseer (probably) or Great Harlequin/Special Character/Something New
Elite - Maybe Shadowseer, Solitare, Death Jesters
Troops- Troupes with option of transport Starweaver
Fast Attack - bikes
Heavy Support - Starweaver with big gun

Hmm, will there be Harlequin Land Raiders?

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, will there be Harlequin Land Raiders?

Pepperidge Farms remembers...


I don't know why anyone even would remotely consider Harlequin Land Raiders to happen now.

Unbound baby!

Harlie Raiders are totes already a thing!

Bharring wrote:
And the Venom kit looks like its begging for conversion... Vyper would have been a little harder, but they're all the same platform.

seen some nice Venom conversions out there while trawling through the net......a fair number were with the Harlis in mind.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/76039237@N05/7949078674/

http://i.imgur.com/VLaLeok.jpg


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 streetsamurai wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/VLaLeok.jpg


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Was about to post that myself.

Looks good, but how does that transport an entire troupe?

Ninja'd and duplicated above post.

Anyway - will be getting me one of those!

LOL even the jetbikes have different masks...

Will be buying many, they look fantastic.

 Ghaz wrote:


Looks good, but how does that transport an entire troupe?

it dont as the transport is a star weaver (acording to wd53) not a sky weaver. Even so they look good very dynamic.

 Ghaz wrote:


Looks good, but how does that transport an entire troupe?

It doesn't?

Harlie rules from this weeks Dwarf state that they can take a Starweaver as dedicated. This leaked cover has Skyweavers plastered all over it. Different things. My guess, these are "simply" fancy 2 Wound Jetbikes.

Damn! Those are sexy!

Oh those look good.

So how long before the Eldar players use them instead of the old Jetbikes?

Then these don't look like a dual Sky- and Starweaver kit IMHO.

 Ghaz wrote:
Then these don't look like a dual Sky- and Starweaver kit IMHO.

Separate kits with a similar base part of the model perhaps?

My poor bank account... just pre-ordered the last round. Notably, it appears the Troupe and Solitaire are "out of stock" on the US GW website. Not sure whether that's for real.

Those do look nice indeed, interestingly the design seems to be a combination of the Vyper, DE Jetbike and the unreleased prototype Eldar Jetbike.

Very cool stuff, really love the fact they kept the canopy mask idea from the old Harlie Jetbike.

 Asmodas wrote:
My poor bank account... just pre-ordered the last round. Notably, it appears the Troupe and Solitaire are "out of stock" on the US GW website. Not sure whether that's for real.

They're at least out of stock in the US until the next shipment hits the states.

Hmm, can't wait for GW to also one day release some Exodites!

Can we get the name of the thread changed to Harlequins instead of Eldar? Wrong faction at this point.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
My poor bank account... just pre-ordered the last round. Notably, it appears the Troupe and Solitaire are "out of stock" on the US GW website. Not sure whether that's for real.

They're at least out of stock in the US until the next shipment hits the states.

Solitaire gone out of stock in the UK too and bizarrely one of the troupe selections, but not the other

I can see them vastly underestimating demand for these.

As someone who will be getting everything, does anyone know if there's any leaks about a battleforce/army box? As much as I like to spend full retail and bleed a little each week, it would really help me out if I could buy it all in one go with a little discount to boot.

The Jetbikes look great! Very sleak design, even with two riders it looks fast and dynamic

It is also awesome to have Harli Jetbikes back. They are different to the old ones but therefore seem to function different to the CWE bikes which is a good thing. The old metal harli jetbikes can be played as CWE guardian jetbikes and used in a second detachment or allied in. A Mantle Jetseer as HQ and the metal harli bikes as troops.

 Ghaz wrote:


Looks good, but how does that transport an entire troupe?

ooohhhhh lovely jubbly!! credit is trembling in anticipation.....don't touch the wedding fund, don't touch the wedding fund.....

Out of curiosity do we know what the gun is underslung on the far version, the nearside is using a shuriken cannon but I dont recognise the other gun.

It looks like a Dark Eldar "Heat Lance".

No, that's a haywire blaster, the heat lance doesn't have the three prongs around the tip and the tip is longer IIRC?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It looks like a Dark Eldar "Heat Lance".

**Edit: Ninja'd by Ace

The bikes also appear to have those Torment grenade launchers like Dark Eldar have on their vehicles. I'm guessing that those might be loaded with hallucinogenic grenades for these.

Interesting. 2 riders would imply 2 wounds (ala SM attack bikes), in addition to whatever else the statline looks like.

I was wondering what a Harlequin jetbike would look like stat wise, being as CWE and DE jetbikes are very different monsters. DE reavers have both Harlequin-esque offensive and defensive stats, while CWE jetbikes have much better Defense and much worse offense. Judging purely aesthetically at this point, it looks like Skyweaver is actually going to be a mix: Harlequin offense w/ CWE armor save. Based purely on the similarities of the CWE jetbike and the Starweaver (would suggest the armor save). If that is correct (3+ armor, 2 Wounds, T4) these are going to be hella expensive points wise. 40'sh points easy. Not to mention what looks like heavy weapons options underslung (though could just be new shrieker cannon). As a matter of fact, would guess price point to be about that of a stock vyper.

Don't normally prognosticate from photos, but these seem like fairly reasonable guesses.

*Edit*
Alt: AV10 open topped 2HP. But surely GW won't be that stupid....right?

 Unix wrote:
As someone who will be getting everything, does anyone know if there's any leaks about a battleforce/army box? As much as I like to spend full retail and bleed a little each week, it would really help me out if I could buy it all in one go with a little discount to boot.

Not yet. My guess is that they won't. They generally do that kind of thing for the core stuff, not the cool special stuff. You never know though...

That also looks like the use of anarchy models stencils on those bikes, which is interesting in itself.

Yep, looks like a haywire weapon to me, plus aren't the pods a torment grenade launchers?

Also these are Skyweavers jetbikes not STARweavers (the transports)

**Edit: that top jetbike's pillion passenger looks like he has a Hellion's Helglaive, possibly a power lance

 Ghaz wrote:
Then these don't look like a dual Sky- and Starweaver kit IMHO.

There is no Sky- and Starweaver dual kit.

There is the Skyweaver kit (i.e. Jetbikes).

Than there is the Starweaver (dedicated transport), which is rumoured to be a dual kit that also builds a HS version (probably named shooty-doom-weaver or something, if the rumour is true).

 Melcavuk wrote:
Out of curiosity do we know what the gun is underslung on the far version, the nearside is using a shuriken cannon but I dont recognise the other gun.

My money is on either a Blood Frost Supa Holo Lance, or possibly a Harlequin's Embrace Caress Kiss Penetration

Hmm. I might pick up these to use as shuriken cannon craftworld jetbikes, rather then buying the GW conversion kits a/o kitbashing my own. Just leave the guy on the back off and headswap the rider for a guardian helm.

NoggintheNog wrote:
That also looks like the use of anarchy models stencils on those bikes, which is interesting in itself.

How do you see that they used diamond-pattern stencils from that particular company? Those things are legion (not to mention easy to make yourself, doubly so with some slightly more advanced office-printers, etc..)

Ace Rimmer wrote:
No, that's a haywire blaster, the heat lance doesn't have the three prongs around the tip and the tip is longer IIRC?

Yup, you're right.

I don't know what I was thinking.


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That also looks like the use of anarchy models stencils on those bikes, which is interesting in itself.

Or it could be the new transfers, which are mentioned in the product description of the Harlequin Troupe box.

Regarding the Battle force army set - Tempestus had one containing all the new models plus Valkyrie, it came with a good saving! And Archibald_TK has posted on Warseer the code for the battle force sets is similiar throughout the factions, just the army code changes. There are several free numbers not yet used between the Solitaire clampack and the Troupe box including the usual army box number. So there is a good chance there will be a Harlequin Battle Force with a saving at the end of the release weeks

I foresee a lot of conversions of those bikes to regular eldar...


Very tasty.

What's the lower rider wielding as a melee weapon? Is that the Embrace? I haven't seen an Embrace yet (not in any of the pictures in the WD), so I'm kind of curious what it looks like. The Embrace seems like a good weapon for a jetbike, too, as you are going to much more reliably be able to get charges on a jetbike platform, so the HoW hits are more reliable and potentially more valuable on smaller jetbike units.

 Asmodas wrote:
What's the lower rider wielding as a melee weapon? .

Microphone stand.

Hrhr, Weee

Another rather nice unit there. Looking forward to seeing the starweaver and it's HS variant.

And yeah definitely a haywire blaster. Looks like their weapons are going to be a mix of Dark Eldar and Eldar stuff. No doubt harlequins or their elites are going to have the option of haywire grenades looking at this which is probably really needed due to only one heavy support choice (or two if death jesters unit are in HS slot) which probably won't be the best.

Oh, man, those are epic. If they are priced at a reasonable level, I might just have to reallocate some funds!

31 EUR for two, priced like the Troupe box was rumored today

 ceorron wrote:
Another rather nice unit there. Looking forward to seeing the starweaver and it's HS variant.

And yeah definitely a haywire blaster. Looks like their weapons are going to be a mix of Dark Eldar and Eldar stuff. No doubt harlequins or their elites are going to have the option of haywire grenades looking at this which is probably really needed due to only one heavy support choice (or two if death jesters unit are in HS slot) which probably won't be the best.

As of the White Dwarf entry, they have Haywire Grenades as an option on Troupe Masters and Solitaires.

Warhams-77 wrote:
31 EUR for two, priced like the Troupe box was rumored today

Ouch, maybe not then. That price for 3 and I might have been tempted, but they're going to have to have A LOT of bits or cost many, many points to tempt me there...

Did/does GW do "boxes of 2" multi-part plastic kits?

Outside some finecast hobbit/LotR stuff, I can't really think of one.

I would've thought these hit the same "format" as ... say ... Thunderwolf Cavalry, box-wise, though probably more expensive for being new (TWC is 33 EUR?).

Wonderwolf wrote:
Did/does GW do "boxes of 2" multi-part plastic kits?

Outside some finecast hobbit/LotR stuff, I can't really think of one.

Off the top of my head, the LotR Eagles are the only 2-in-a-box plastics. There are also 2-boxes of Carnifexes and maybe some other stuff, but those are just repackages of existing kits.

The fact the WD cover only shows 2 lends the idea some credibility, though.

Just a rumor, so maybe it is wrong. We will know soon. Skyweavers being more like vypers, I think the price is okay. Point wise they should be like three bikes plus heavy weapons and other upgrades

Dash2021's analysis (Skyweavers = units with t profiles) sounds right to me

If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

Mournfang Cavalry are also 2 to a box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mournfang Cavalry are also 2 to a box.

And $36.25 to boot, thanks for bringing that one up.

Morghasts are a two pack, at $60. So there's a few two pack kits out there.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

What if it isn't? What if it's a dual hull, like a Bespin Cloud Car? Might explain why you get two to a box.

D/l'd and reading 'The Masque of Vyle'.... to get it the mood....for ...well, the wait till I can get brush to plastic. Patience fading with every word I read lol

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

What if it isn't? What if it's a dual hull, like a Bespin Cloud Car? Might explain why you get two to a box.

Ah the gloriously naff Star Wars vehicle that no one ever wanted as a toy.

 Flashman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

What if it isn't? What if it's a dual hull, like a Bespin Cloud Car? Might explain why you get two to a box.

Ah the gloriously naff Star Wars vehicle that no one ever wanted as a toy.

I had a Lego one I quite liked. And it would fit with the big FW DE vehicle, that has two hulls too.

The bespin cloud car, I havent thought of that. Good idea.

Januine wrote:
D/l'd and reading 'The Masque of Vyle'.... to get it the mood....for ...well, the wait till I can get brush to plastic. Patience fading with every word I read lol

Shame it's such a shameless ripoff of Masque of the Red Death, down to stealing complete (and famous) phrases like "And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all."

I guess Andy Chambers is more a freewheeling guy than the GW lawyers stalking Chapterhouse & co, but the mix still leaves an odd aftertaste (and yes, I know Poe is public domain).

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

What if it isn't? What if it's a dual hull, like a Bespin Cloud Car? Might explain why you get two to a box.

Ah the gloriously naff Star Wars vehicle that no one ever wanted as a toy.

I had a Lego one I quite liked. And it would fit with the big FW DE vehicle, that has two hulls too.

Well, there is a precedent for a catamaran-style Eldar vehicle

Wonderwolf wrote:

Januine wrote:
D/l'd and reading 'The Masque of Vyle'.... to get it the mood....for ...well, the wait till I can get brush to plastic. Patience fading with every word I read lol

Shame it's such a shameless ripoff of Masque of the Red Death, down to stealing complete (and famous) phrases like "And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all."

I guess Andy Chambers is more a freewheeling guy than the GW lawyers stalking Chapterhouse & co, but the mix still leaves an odd aftertaste (and yes, I know Poe is public domain).

Motley's in it so it's keeping me amused

Warhams-77 wrote:
The bespin cloud car, I havent thought of that. Good idea.

You clearly mean Bespin Clown Car.

Hehe

Those bikes remind me of playing Mario Kart Double Dash on the Gamecube. I'd have Wario drive and Waluigi would throw out all the items from the back seat.

 Asmodas wrote:
What's the lower rider wielding as a melee weapon? Is that the Embrace? I haven't seen an Embrace yet (not in any of the pictures in the WD), so I'm kind of curious what it looks like. The Embrace seems like a good weapon for a jetbike, too, as you are going to much more reliably be able to get charges on a jetbike platform, so the HoW hits are more reliable and potentially more valuable on smaller jetbike units.

The embrace looks like a bloated kiss I think, looking at the troupe kit on GW website, it looks to me like some kind of flail/bolas which if travelling at speed shouldn't really look like that so who knows haha.

now we just need a shot of the insides of that WD.

Thanks, BTW, those who posted the cover!

I thought the embrace was the weird little powerfist they have (well the old ones have) or is that what the caress is now?

I like the bikes... now show me an HQ choice!

The gloves are the caress, embrace is a device that shoots monofilament webbing according to the description.

 Mantle wrote:
The gloves are the caress, embrace is a device that shoots monofilament webbing according to the description.

So I guess I'll say the fists are the caress

According to 'What's New Today' the following model has a Harlequin's Caress on his right hand:

In the beforetimes several models had these things

see the hand on the only one that's painted...a lot had these tiny power fist things, I don't recall what they were...but I guess now they are caress'

"His left hand is extended before him as if ready to deliver a benediction, while in reality his gloved hand conceals a deadly harlequin's caress" "From the back you can see the power nodes and sharpened nails of the Harlequin's caress" Description of the solitaire in WD 53



apparently it surrounds the hand with a deadly forcefield

the embrace spits a web of monofil wire.

I want to know what the flail like weapon is on the jetbikes. Must be something cool i'm guessing. Also I suspect the other one has some sort of lance like weapon. (May not actually have the lance special rule mind)

Wonderwolf wrote:

Januine wrote:
D/l'd and reading 'The Masque of Vyle'.... to get it the mood....for ...well, the wait till I can get brush to plastic. Patience fading with every word I read lol

Shame it's such a shameless ripoff of Masque of the Red Death, down to stealing complete (and famous) phrases like "And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all."

I guess Andy Chambers is more a freewheeling guy than the GW lawyers stalking Chapterhouse & co, but the mix still leaves an odd aftertaste (and yes, I know Poe is public domain).

Of course it's based of Masque of the Red Death! It's a homage to it, right down to the quotes. That's like reading a WW2 book and saying ''Hey, they ripped off World War 2!'' or something to that effect. I thought it was a really good book, bit on the expensive side, but it had let you get a look at the Harlequins and more importantly, Motley. The offical best character BL has created since Eisenhorn.

**EDIT** Anyone else see a startling resemblance between those riders and Hellions? Same stance, similar weapons and almost the exact same pose. I like the Dark Eldar feel they are giving, with the distinctly Reaver looking Jetbike rider as well.

Did think GW would do Exodites next but I suppose Harlis are even better.

The embraces are in the bottom right corner of the second sprue picture on the GW website, I'm on an iPad and couldn't manage to upload a picture

With the new Harlies having wargear from both Eldar and Dark Eldar Codices, what do you think the chances are that you will be required to own all three to have all of the rules to use them fully in print...?


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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Anyone else see a startling resemblance between those riders and Hellions? Same stance, similar weapons and almost the exact same pose. I like the Dark Eldar feel they are giving, with the distinctly Reaver looking Jetbike rider as well.

Cheaper to slightly modify existing digital 3D sculpts than to pay for a sculptor to design new ones from scratch....win/win I suppose

 Ghaz wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Skyweavers are in fact a dual kit with Starweavers, I could see the 2 for $40 being pretty reasonable since a Venom is $30.

The Starweaver is a different kit. Really

What if it isn't? What if it's a dual hull, like a Bespin Cloud Car? Might explain why you get two to a box.

Ah the gloriously naff Star Wars vehicle that no one ever wanted as a toy.

I had a Lego one I quite liked. And it would fit with the big FW DE vehicle, that has two hulls too.

Well, there is a precedent for a catamaran-style Eldar vehicle

Yeah, that's what I was referencing in my comment.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
see the hand on the only one that's painted...a lot had these tiny power fist things, I don't recall what they were...

They were power fists. Eldar power fists were considerably less chunky than everyone else's.

 Mantle wrote:
The embraces are in the bottom right corner of the second sprue picture on the GW website, I'm on an iPad and couldn't manage to upload a picture

oh yeah.... kinda look like swollen Harli kisses

 Ghaz wrote:

Well, there is a precedent for a catamaran-style Eldar vehicle

Hum, yes...



Doesn't look that good though.

This is all very depressing to me because I had a fantastic painted Harlequin army complete with wraithlord and jetbikes back in 1999 which was stolen out of my car. Lesson I learned, don't keep important things in a soft-top Jeep Wrangler. The jerks even cut into the windows rather than just unzipping it from the outside.

I also had an Undead Warmaster army stolen, but I don't really care or even remember building and painting or playing it.

Januine wrote:
"His left hand is extended before him as if ready to deliver a benediction, while in reality his gloved hand conceals a deadly harlequin's caress" "From the back you can see the power nodes and sharpened nails of the Harlequin's caress" Description of the solitaire in WD 53



apparently it surrounds the hand with a deadly forcefield

the embrace spits a web of monofil wire.

Bloody hell, their descriptions just keep getting more overwrought with every release. Last time I was in church, which was admittedly a fair long while, priests generally didn't give a benediction while doing a parkour leap over the altar.

Hhahahahaaaaaa - think I just wee'd a little!!!!!

 Yodhrin wrote:
Last time I was in church, which was admittedly a fair long while, priests generally didn't give a benediction while doing a parkour leap over the altar.

Clearly you go to a really lousy church then.

Januine wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
The embraces are in the bottom right corner of the second sprue picture on the GW website, I'm on an iPad and couldn't manage to upload a picture

oh yeah.... kinda look like swollen Harli kisses

The two items circled in blue are the Harlequin's Embraces.
The two items circled in red are the Harlequin's Caresses.
The three items circled in green are the Harlequin's Kisses.

Just in time for Valentine's Day, you can get your own space-elf to dress up as a clown. You get the choice of being penetrated with a long+slim or a thick+short or maybe just a good old fashioned fist.

Kisses, embraces, and caresses. Such love.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Last time I was in church, which was admittedly a fair long while, priests generally didn't give a benediction while doing a parkour leap over the altar.

Clearly you go to a really lousy church then.

Right? If the priest isn't also rapping about X-Box while instagramming sunsets he's just not going to bring in the youth.


Pre-ordered some Troupe boxes at my FLGS.
Haven't looked at Harlequins since RT though. Would a High Avatar still be the standard HQ choice?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Last time I was in church, which was admittedly a fair long while, priests generally didn't give a benediction while doing a parkour leap over the altar.

Clearly you go to a really lousy church then.

I guess there ARE christian churches where the priests wear masks with goat horns... somewhere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Last time I was in church, which was admittedly a fair long while, priests generally didn't give a benediction while doing a parkour leap over the altar.

Clearly you go to a really lousy church then.

Back to the point, harlequin release has been very so-so. Great that they're getting a release after so long, but a little luke-warm from it all. It's not a step back, but it's no leap forward on what is supposed to be such a bright release.

Got a laugh out of the Eldar Power Nails though, geez they've dropped the ball on creative weapons. Sorry but a razor-sharp field-powered manicure does no justice to the harlequins.

 plastictrees wrote:
Right? If the priest isn't also rapping about X-Box while instagramming sunsets he's just not going to bring in the youth.

"And the Lord said: Double rainbow," the preacher said, before back-flipping off the organ whilst taking a selfie.

Something about the new GW models that just aren't resonating with me. It's perhaps it's a little too obvious they're computer generated models? I compare them to Wyrd sculpts and they just don't hold up. The new bikes are still beaten by those third party bikes some dude in Eastern Europe made a few years ago.

That one weapon with the triple ends looks more like a bedroom accouterments than a weapon. Also, transporting it is likely impossible.

Hrmmm. :/

That lower rider looks like he is about to toss some bolas... Very cool!

 Fango wrote:
With the new Harlies having wargear from both Eldar and Dark Eldar Codices, what do you think the chances are that you will be required to own all three to have all of the rules to use them fully in print...?


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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Anyone else see a startling resemblance between those riders and Hellions? Same stance, similar weapons and almost the exact same pose. I like the Dark Eldar feel they are giving, with the distinctly Reaver looking Jetbike rider as well.

Cheaper to slightly modify existing digital 3D sculpts than to pay for a sculptor to design new ones from scratch....win/win I suppose

The better for conversions then. DE players get to use their Hellions AND their Wyches now.

Seriously stoked about the ridiculous amount of kitbashing options. I don't see myself painting the diamond pattern though....

 TheKbob wrote:
Something about the new GW models that just aren't resonating with me. It's perhaps it's a little too obvious they're computer generated models? I compare them to Wyrd sculpts and they just don't hold up. The new bikes are still beaten by those third party bikes some dude in Eastern Europe made a few years ago.

That one weapon with the triple ends looks more like a bedroom accouterments than a weapon. Also, transporting it is likely impossible.

Hrmmm. :/

You have to make some pose compromises when you are making multipose models.
I must be immune to the mystical spell that Wyrd minis have cast on their fans since Malifaux started. Personally I like minis that have detail that holds up to more than half a coat of paint.

As to the bola, I guess we all see what we want to see.

I wonder if they'll be an expansion on the relationship between The Deceiver and Cegorach? It always interested me that they were very similar characters and that the Deceiver model is pretty reminiscent of a jester. I kind of wish the C'tan shard nonsense didn't exist.

Oh okay so I was right to assume the power fists can be Caresses, I'm not chopping them off...

Only thing I'll have to change is the Solitare because I think the one I have has the Neuro Disruptor

 plastictrees wrote:


You have to make some pose compromises when you are making multipose models.
I must be immune to the mystical spell that Wyrd minis have cast on their fans since Malifaux started. Personally I like minis that have detail that holds up to more than half a coat of paint.

As to the bola, I guess we all see what we want to see.

Huh? Thin your paints? Never had an issue with detail on Wyrd miniatures. And the Solitaire/Clowns are pretty much single pose miniatures with weird body form and just something off in general.

And that "bola", regardless of use (hey, DE won't judge), is terrible as I guarantee it'll snap off in transport super fast. Great design for a game piece.

Also, this is how a bolas is used:

Anyone notice that death jester and shadowseer are now in the Harlequin section. Doesn't look like they are getting a plastic model after all :(

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Only thing I'll have to change is the Solitare because I think the one I have has the Neuro Disruptor

Don't jump yet. We still haven't seen the relic list, so there might be some sort of useful gun you want to use.

Wyrd minis are pretty good, but they still are a few levels behond gw ones imo

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Only thing I'll have to change is the Solitare because I think the one I have has the Neuro Disruptor

Don't jump yet. We still haven't seen the relic list, so there might be some sort of useful gun you want to use.

Oh yeah I forgot about that... Yeah if he can have it he can keep it.
Judging by what it does, it sounds pretty good.

Yeah they moved there a few days ago.
I am not mad about that, really...