Torments look great too, really liking these horrible mutants. Although I gotta say I would have preferred some traitor guard rather than the basic cultist kit.
I like the big mutants (the "accursed cultist torments" a lot better than the smaller ones. They have almost a From Software vibe to them, like people you'd fight in Elden Ring
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Damn, I might actually get those Cultists.
I had great fun with the BSF ones
Your post needs an addendum:
Spoiler:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Stream begins. Two balding, greasy and slightly obease middle-aged men with the combined charisma of a wet paper bag are sitting in a room with cheap, tacky 40k themed decorations.
Greasus the Unwashed: "Uh, erm, er, welcome to the stream guuys, we uh, this is a very, the best most awesomest double-plus-good year for Warhammer(tm)(copyrighted) and Games Workshop(tm) ever (tm)!
Obeasen, the Woman-Deprived: "Yeah, are you guys uh, er, excited for all the totally awesomest things we're going to show you today?"
(This continues for about half an hour)
A medium-sized model finally gets revealed. It starts with a black screen. Soon enough, copyright-free rock music begins playing as the new model spins, with several jarring close-ups on random parts on the model accompanied by bright white flashes. Greasus and Obeasen come back on screen, accompanied by a .jpg of the model on white background, with a giant "REVEALED ON WARHAMMER FEST 2022" logo slapped on top, obsucring a good third of the model's lower half.
G: "Yeah, uh, aren't you guys totally super-excited about this totally bestest thing ever? We love it so much!"
O: "CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME BUY PRODUCT BUY PRODUCT BUY PRODUCT-"
[Shillsoomer, 18:49]: "Wowzers, best Warhammer model ever! I'm going to have my wife's boyfriend buy me TWENTY!"
[AverageFantasyFan850, 18:49]: "Grrrr Games Workshop where is my Old World Reveal! This is worthless!"
[Rommel1939, 18:49]: (A paragraph's worth of the user's opinions on women and minorities, in a heavily gramatically dubious fashion)
G: "Yeah that was an awesomest, bestest totally the most wonderful reveal! And that's just the begining! Tune in for the future for the rest of the bestest, awesomest, super-duper bestest ever-"
The stream cuts off, as the two hosts begin foaming at their mouth before falling on the ground unconcious, out of their sheer and pure LOVE for any PRODUCT and CAPITALISM. The events ends for today, after two hours and a single reveal.
The possessed look good. Are we sure they're larger than greater possessed?
Count me in with those of us irritated by the complaint that we are seeing news and rumours on the news and rumours board. I'm mildly surprised to see this sentiment. I know I shouldn't be, I've read this site since russ & nicole owned it. Moaning about trivial matters seems especially bad lately though. I think it goes in cycles.
The Phazer wrote:Spider leg arm guy feels both not very practical but very scary in the way that all good possessed should.
Not all Chaos mutations are practical, it can often be a crapshoot. IMO, these models are tremendous, my only worry is that the original two greater possessed models become oop since they aren't lumped together with these new models.
szmytke wrote:And this lot....
Amazing stuff, it really shows what Chaos is supposed to be about. Also, tons of bits for other projects.
szmytke wrote:Commune - the Cultist HQ choice
The psyker with the partially detached head reminds me of an enemy from the video game series The Suffering, whose head was detached from the neck and was attached to the body with metal rods. It was supposed to be the living manifestation of decapitation.
That Deamon Prince is fantastic. Looks as good as the old metal one, and therefore legions better than the current one. Lots of options too, there's basically two models in there except the crotch.
Im in love with the 40kDP. Oh my word this is what I've wanted since I first saw the 3.5ed codex artwork of the DP on a pile of corpses on Cadia (IIRC the art is by karl kopinski?)
ImAGeek wrote: I’m impressed with how different the Prince looks between systems.
There's a lot of difference. Like even the fleet, which you wouldn't think given the presence of the tactical rock.
Seems there are lots of options. Hopefully that's been replicated with the new Possessed and Cultist Mutants.
They did say there are options. But….a different head for otherwise set builds is an option. So guess we just need to wait and see. I’m hoping it’ll be at least as flexible as those big Nurgle guys from AoS.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Damn, I might actually get those Cultists.
I had great fun with the BSF ones
Your post needs an addendum:
Spoiler:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Stream begins. Two balding, greasy and slightly obease middle-aged men with the combined charisma of a wet paper bag are sitting in a room with cheap, tacky 40k themed decorations.
Greasus the Unwashed: "Uh, erm, er, welcome to the stream guuys, we uh, this is a very, the best most awesomest double-plus-good year for Warhammer(tm)(copyrighted) and Games Workshop(tm) ever (tm)!
Obeasen, the Woman-Deprived: "Yeah, are you guys uh, er, excited for all the totally awesomest things we're going to show you today?"
(This continues for about half an hour)
A medium-sized model finally gets revealed. It starts with a black screen. Soon enough, copyright-free rock music begins playing as the new model spins, with several jarring close-ups on random parts on the model accompanied by bright white flashes. Greasus and Obeasen come back on screen, accompanied by a .jpg of the model on white background, with a giant "REVEALED ON WARHAMMER FEST 2022" logo slapped on top, obsucring a good third of the model's lower half.
G: "Yeah, uh, aren't you guys totally super-excited about this totally bestest thing ever? We love it so much!"
O: "CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME BUY PRODUCT BUY PRODUCT BUY PRODUCT-"
[Shillsoomer, 18:49]: "Wowzers, best Warhammer model ever! I'm going to have my wife's boyfriend buy me TWENTY!"
[AverageFantasyFan850, 18:49]: "Grrrr Games Workshop where is my Old World Reveal! This is worthless!"
[Rommel1939, 18:49]: (A paragraph's worth of the user's opinions on women and minorities, in a heavily gramatically dubious fashion)
G: "Yeah that was an awesomest, bestest totally the most wonderful reveal! And that's just the begining! Tune in for the future for the rest of the bestest, awesomest, super-duper bestest ever-"
The stream cuts off, as the two hosts begin foaming at their mouth before falling on the ground unconcious, out of their sheer and pure LOVE for any PRODUCT and CAPITALISM. The events ends for today, after two hours and a single reveal.
That squat thing is, a thing.
What sort of dwarf would want to use hover tech over being on the ground proper. Also, if you look at the suspension (I think?, though hovers wouldn’t need it) they looted more ork tek. Between this and the atv orks are going to be supplying all the imperiums vehicles at this rate.
So, the chaos models are largely _very_ good, but the various mutations are worryingly mono-pose.
So we'll see. World Eaters coming 'later' may compete, I wish we'd seen more, frankly. Because if they're done well, I want them over generic CSM, but if they continue to be flanderized axe murderers, I have no interest.
Squat trike... eh. Its a thing. It has a lot of stuff for a simple gun bike, but seems over-designed and overstuffed with luggage.
Hoping for one last reveal once they finally stop going on about WarDisney+.
So many salty comments in that live chat about WH+
“A video for the five subscribers” and all that.
I think people way underestimate how well it’s probably doing subscribers wise.
Whether the content is good or not.
Danny76 wrote: “A video for the five subscribers” and all that.
I think people way underestimate how well it’s probably doing subscribers wise.
Whether the content is good or not.
5 subscribers? Wow. They're expanding quite quickly it seems.
It's because they're hernkyn their horns. It's onomatopoeic.
My guess is Hern as in Herne the Hunter of Gaelic myth (no. Not Celtic. Gaelic. Celtic not being a historical thing but a latter day generic catch all).
It's because they're hernkyn their horns. It's onomatopoeic.
My guess is Hern as in Herne the Hunter of Gaelic myth (no. Not Celtic. Gaelic. Celtic not being a historical thing but a latter day generic catch all).
No no, every squat name we've seen has referenced things like that (gaellic/nordic/scandinavian/old english words). It wouldn't make sense for this one to not be a dumb, made up word.
Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote: If they don’t have foot long beards, they shouldn’t be using dwarfy words tbh.
It's a female squat. GW female Dwarfs don't tend to have beards.
you know, when 3rd parties released space dwarfs without a beard, they got a lot of hate for that because those are not real dwarfs so they should not call it that
yet GW don't even call them dwarfs any more, so it is fine if none of them has a beard and people should accept that it is something different
(but it is also strange that whatever GW is doing is ok, but other companies are not allowed to make something new or different with model design)
I loved all the model reveals. 40k Daemon Prince is my MVP, loved the Torments, hope that the Cultists will still come with their Dark Vengeance flamer and stubber options, but I'm afraid they might not.
Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote: If they don’t have foot long beards, they shouldn’t be using dwarfy words tbh.
It's a female squat. GW female Dwarfs don't tend to have beards.
you know, when 3rd parties released space dwarfs without a beard, they got a lot of hate for that because those are not real dwarfs so they should not call it that
yet GW don't even call them dwarfs any more, so it is fine if none of them has a beard and people should accept that it is something different
(but it is also strange that whatever GW is doing is ok, but other companies are not allowed to make something new or different with model design)
It's almost as if whoever creates their IP gets to decide who has or hasn't got a beard. from what I can tell this isn't a retcon, so what're you complaining about?
Daniel my brother you are older than me
Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal?
Your eyes have died but you see more than I
Daniel you're a star in the face of the sky
Who'd have thought that Elton John was a Chaos Cultist all along?
Loving the Cultists. Love some of the mutants, some of those will make for some nice Nurgle zombies.
The Torments? Love them as well, only issue is them being inevitably monopose and the obvious recycled parts, such as on the third one with what is clearly a resized Bloodthirster head file slapped on there.
Cultist HQ is great. I really like the floaty psyker head or whatever it is.
DP is good, though I'm not a big fan of the alt heads, particularly the Nurgle one. Not to say they are bad, just slapping a diseased head on the normal body does not a Nurgle mini make. Unless there are other option they have not shown it feels half arsed.
The Squat? It is what it is. Far too overdone, unless.... it is a single HQ or a small vehicle. Honestly cannot imagine a full unit of these if that is meant to be a basic trooper.
No wolves on Fenris wrote: Where was a Primaris Cato mentioned by the way? I didn’t watch the stream just like looked at the WarCom articles
I believe he's in artwork, standing in front of his Primarch. I didn't see a mini or mention, just caught a glimpse of art in between customers at work.
Now, this was a great kickoff for Warhammerfest. Lots of great stuff. I love all the Chaos items.
Points going fully digital is for the best. Allows them to balance much more up to date and not be 6+ months behind. Big win and shows they have taken community feedback into account.
The more I look at them, the more chuffed I am about the Cultists.
The representation of Chaos in 40K needed exactly that sort of thing. Lovely bit of body horror, the tormented damned, which all ask questions of how bad was your life to make you even contemplate that was a better path.
No wolves on Fenris wrote: Where was a Primaris Cato mentioned by the way? I didn’t watch the stream just like looked at the WarCom articles
I believe he's in artwork, standing in front of his Primarch. I didn't see a mini or mention, just caught a glimpse of art in between customers at work.
The new chapter approved article, I believe.
Just looks like a generic Captain to me, unless we also want to claim IG are getting a giant 40k version of Sergeant Wojtek...
And this is a problem of GW's own creation. They've conditioned people to think everything they see in the art is or will be a mini, so when some out there art appears (see, much of Lewis Jones' stuff), we get rampant speculation for no reason.
The overall styling of it I think is pretty cool, it's got me a bit more optimistic about them than the reveal model has with its generic look, at least. It has a slight retro dieselpunk vibe that makes me think of the Fallout series, and I like that their weapons aren't just energy stuff again.
But that it's yet another anti-grav vehicle is just such a let-down. Space Marines had jetbikes, custodes have them, Eldar and Dark Eldar have them, Primaris Marines, Tau and Mechanicus all have anti-grav. The default just seems to be "It's advanced so make it hover!", I'd have much preferred it to have wheels or tracks or something along those lines as that just feels more fitting.
The rider being beardless because they're female isn't an issue, but I still don't know what to think of the coat. It really seems out of place over the top of that bulky void suit.
It's because they're hernkyn their horns. It's onomatopoeic.
My guess is Hern as in Herne the Hunter of Gaelic myth (no. Not Celtic. Gaelic. Celtic not being a historical thing but a latter day generic catch all).
Azreal13 wrote: I've seen the previews and now the whole rest of my day is ruined.
You should've spoiled yourself early!
All I ask is that people put spoiler images in spoiler tags. Best of both worlds. Early Birds and the incorrigibly curious can peak. But for those who prefer to wait for the “big” show don’t wander into a thread and see them without choice.
No wolves on Fenris wrote: Where was a Primaris Cato mentioned by the way? I didn’t watch the stream just like looked at the WarCom articles
I believe he's in artwork, standing in front of his Primarch. I didn't see a mini or mention, just caught a glimpse of art in between customers at work.
The new chapter approved article, I believe.
Spoiler:
Just looks like a generic Captain to me, unless we also want to claim IG are getting a giant 40k version of Sergeant Wojtek...
WarCom wrote:That’s because points updates will be free as of this new season of Warhammer 40,000! You’ll be able to get them in Warhammer 40,000: The App and right here on the Warhammer Community website.
Now if it's not a simple PFD, and some online only proprietary feth-ery, then we'll have a problem.
WarCom wrote:That’s because points updates will be free as of this new season of Warhammer 40,000! You’ll be able to get them in Warhammer 40,000: The App and right here on the Warhammer Community website.
Now if it's not a simple PFD, and some online only proprietary feth-ery, then we'll have a problem.
Oh, that's fine then. Now all they need is to do is to make the rules free
Mr.Pickels wrote: Anyone see if the 40kDP gets wings with this update, or does the 40k version just get the mutated backpack?
He can take wings.
Technically the answer was something like 'who could stop you?'
(which is: your bosses, talky guy. your bosses)
Just keep in mind that these guys weren't particularly well informed on the basics. 'What size base is he on?' was a deeply confusing and unexpected question... same as it is every preview show.
Cultist standard bearer has a Sororitas helm on the base instead of the traditional Astartes one. The Sisters finally made it to the point where they get to be corpses on enemy bases!
I don't hate the bike - but squats are not really an army that interests me, so its not really helping GW.
Cultists though are awesome. Not sure I'd ever find the money to buy or the time to paint - but the will is there. Guess wait and see if the rules fire the imagination.
I just found the Squat bike to be lacking a focal point a bit, there's not enough distinction between machine and rider, and it took me several seconds to realise that it was the riders coat, I though it was a head on a land speeder variant for a moment.
Was expecting more for the squats - shame we didn't see the rest of the squad of Hearthkyn. The trike is a nice model- still getting used to the new aesthetic but really need to see more. I do wonder if they might be including the hearthkyn as a Killteam set [or are there rumours for Killteam]. Likingthat there will be female squats throughout the range by the sounds of things and I love her gun, coat and armour!
Pleased for the chaos players though!
Yep. And not the direction they decided to go with cultists. They opted for the 'of the abyss' look instead from the expansion pack.
With 4 cultists kits coming with the codex and chaos marines already getting a KT upgrade, its very, very, very unlikely to involve chaos cultists (or marines).
Traitor guard were also on the entirely correct kit that had the two mutants on it. I was expecting them to hold them back for the main release, but
Kill team does seem like a possibility with that picture.
I'd assumed the silhouette was from War Cry, but look at those cuffs I could easily see Traitor Guard. Or in a proper shocking twist - it's the new Cadian kit, which makes both traitors and veterans!
Olthannon wrote: Seemed like he said that they said there would be more Squat releases as they go on?
Squat kill team on Friday.
Seriously, what other way would they intoduce the base troopers to make maximum profit?
Possibly. But do keep in mind they’ve confirmed it’s a full release, and not a Boxed Game flash of the ankle.
Which makes it more likely. It shifts some of the burden of releasing kits away from the codex release month. Also eases the production (of all all-new kits) if the basic squad comes out a couple months before.
The worst part is that a lot of it is still up online for you to peruse, Janson. You can still see dossiers from Fires of Cyraxus for the Thanatar for example.
Much like Brood Brothers, Traitor Guard models will be an upgrade kit to basic Guard infantry.
And the reason we’re yet to see them shown/teased, is an updated Guard squad is coming first!
I would suspect that to be the case. If they are going to be updating the guard kits, it would make sense to also add upgrades for GSC and then perhaps traitor guard. If they update the cadian range, then the GSC kit becomes redundant.
Much like Brood Brothers, Traitor Guard models will be an upgrade kit to basic Guard infantry.
And the reason we’re yet to see them shown/teased, is an updated Guard squad is coming first!
I would suspect that to be the case. If they are going to be updating the guard kits, it would make sense to also add upgrades for GSC and then perhaps traitor guard. If they update the cadian range, then the GSC kit becomes redundant.
The GSC kit is just heads and pouches. As long as the new models have the same hollow for a neck, they'd be fine.
Worth mentioning that the scuttlebutt is that the Cadian upgrade frame(which isn't sold separately) was intended to function with the "new" style of Cadian.
Free points on the app, lol. Still waiting for them to fix Deathwatch points after a year and a half. Don’t care if they’re free if they’re constantly wrong.
Those previewed axes look really similar to freely available 3d printing ones, I think I would've liked something more like the Corpse Grinder added in to break it up a bit. I just hope and pray to the Skull Throne that whoever sculpted the Goliath Stimmer's magnificent meat slabs he calls arms does the Berzerkers if they sport bare arms. My favourite GW muscle arms.
bullyboy wrote: Free points on the app, lol. Still waiting for them to fix Deathwatch points after a year and a half. Don’t care if they’re free if they’re constantly wrong.
If they're wrong in the app and site, that'll be the only place you get them, so that makes them right.
Much like Brood Brothers, Traitor Guard models will be an upgrade kit to basic Guard infantry.
And the reason we’re yet to see them shown/teased, is an updated Guard squad is coming first!
My guess would be no. Standard IG have Aquillas everywhere, the helmet, the breast, the gun, the @#$%ing canteens. A Chaos sprue would have to replace all of that, and at that point just make another figure.
Plus the real bonus of the Traitor Guard figures was the whole layered look of furs, chain mail, iron and modern armor, which you can't do with an add on sprue.
Of course GW still sells Chaos Rhinos and Land Raiders with Aquillas on the treads, so what do I know.
Potentially interesting background thought pops into my idiot mind.
For CSM who come from The Great Crusade era, having hordes of mere mortals makes solid narrative sense, in a way it doesn’t for Loyalist Maureens.
The Great Crusade was absolutely a Team Effort. Yes the Legionnes Astartes were absolutely The Final Sanction, they were still supported by human warriors unnumbered.
The same with Knightly Houses, Titan Legions etc. Until the post Heresy reformation, it was always a combined arms approach, made up from whatever forces happens to be available in your sub-fleet.
One could argue that very tactical/strategic flexibility is Chaos’ greatest asset, as The Imperium can never truly know what a given force is comprised of.
It could just be a bunch of really enthusiastic but easily put down mortal Cultists. It could be a serious and organised push ala a Black Crusade, and everything in between.
And so a large part of The Imperium’s challenge is needing to maintain sufficient standing, garrisoned forces to at the very least hold out. Which despite its vast, mind boggling resources, prevents The Imperium from putting together its favoured hammer blow forces proactively.
I can probably explain better once Mr Brain has caught up.
Makes sense. When a group of CSM attacks a planet, at best they expect the Guard or Mechanicus with the possibility of Sororitas. When the Imperium attacks a Chaos-held world? It's anybody's bet as to what is down there. Cultists, Astartes, Daemons, Xenos, any combination of the lot. You could throw a Regiment of Guard in and they get slaughtered by a Warband of Astartes or they could crush a Cult only a few thousand strong who took over by luck and sheer determination.
The mutants are a bit much for me, yet I know I will end up getting some for my wordbearers.
The expanded rules for cultist is just what I have been hoping for. Im very happy to be able to "count as" the BSF psychers and even that fallen commisar (I got despite wild protests from my wallet) as a cultist command sqd.
And I dont expect any of the cultist rabble to be competetive, so I wont be dissapointed either
The presence of Traitor Guard makes me even more confused as to how Chaos Bikers weren't shown or teased. Could just be part of a later release, but dang, that was the one thing I was hoping for.
Otherwise, those earlier rumors have been spot on. Guessing we'll see Traitor Guard vs Squats for Kill Team on Friday.
Gert wrote: Makes sense. When a group of CSM attacks a planet, at best they expect the Guard or Mechanicus with the possibility of Sororitas. When the Imperium attacks a Chaos-held world? It's anybody's bet as to what is down there. Cultists, Astartes, Daemons, Xenos, any combination of the lot. You could throw a Regiment of Guard in and they get slaughtered by a Warband of Astartes or they could crush a Cult only a few thousand strong who took over by luck and sheer determination.
This. Absolutely this.
Cultists are arguably the most dangerous though, because they’re the least quantifiable.
I’ll refer to myself here as an example. Despite my dark, satanic exterior, I’m really about as hard as mashed potato. Despite my Nerf collection, I’ve bugger all competency with actual firearms. And I’ve sod all discipline. Multiply me for your army by, I dunno, 200,000 times, and it’d look impressive (I’m 6’2”), but any actually trained military force, even by the basic standards of most Guardsmen will go through us like a dodgy vindaloo with a 12 pint chaser.
But there’s no way for The Imperium to properly gauge that until they’ve got boots on the ground. Because there’s always a chance my 200,000 Wuss Clones have had a mindwrite from a Rambo template donor.
Just caught up with the chaos reveals and I can't shake the feeling that some of them should rightfully belong into AoS. The dark commune is particularly egregious. If that one guy wasn't holding a pistol I wouldn't have guessed this was a 40k product.
Base cultists are fine, but the mutated variations are approaching a Death Guard level of silliness with all those goofy devil faces. I love the general idea of leaning more into the body horror aspect, something they really nailed with Admech, but the execution is just not there.
The possessed are the one outlier and they also appear to be massive, so I'm looking forward to those, hoping there is at least some modularity to the kit. The demon prince is a really nice base model, again marred by not one, but an entire selection of silly heads. The rest of the sculpt looks convincing though, so I'll probably get one and print an appropriate head myself.
The presence of Traitor Guard makes me even more confused as to how Chaos Bikers weren't shown or teased. Could just be part of a later release, but dang, that was the one thing I was hoping for.
Gotta save some new stuff to show off on Mondays. I'm sure we'll see them later this month as they start to build hype for the codex release in June.
The presence of Traitor Guard makes me even more confused as to how Chaos Bikers weren't shown or teased. Could just be part of a later release, but dang, that was the one thing I was hoping for.
Gotta save some new stuff to show off on Mondays. I'm sure we'll see them later this month as they start to build hype for the codex release in June.
BertBert wrote: Just caught up with the chaos reveals and I can't shake the feeling that most of them should rightfully belong into AoS. The dark commune is particularly egregious. If that one guy wasn't holding a pistol I wouldn't have guessed this was a 40k product.
Base cultists are fine, but the mutated variations are approaching a Death Guard level of silliness with all those goofy devil faces. I love the general idea of leaning more into the body horror aspect, something they really nailed with Admech, but the execution is just not there.
The possessed are the one outlier and they also appear to be massive, so I'm looking forward to those, hoping there is at least some modularity to the kit. The demon prince is a really nice base model, again marred by not one, but an entire selection of silly heads. The rest of the sculpt looks convincing though, so I'll probably get one and print an appropriate head myself.
I actually think the base cultists look like AoS models with guns too. There's a surprising lack of robes and gasmasks, they don't look like what you'd expect to see in 40k.
Several examples : Dawn of War
Spoiler:
Dawn of War 2
Spoiler:
Vraks
Spoiler:
The Lost and the Damned
Spoiler:
The new cultists look like simpler versions of the War Cry models with guns.
I think the accursed and the torments are fine, but the paint job doesn't suit them. Too clean.
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
Largely the same gear, though, so it seems like a pointless 'Whats in a name?' distinction to me.
It'd be like producing another line unit for eldar that have basically the same weapons, but inscrutable army building rules that make them worse.
Oh, puckernuts...
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be...
Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?
Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.
This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be...
Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?
Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.
This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).
The Ork barricades are included in the Mek Workshop box, and the Walls and Floors sprues from Chalnath are part of the Sisters Battle Sanctum. But point still noted.
Best case scenario is brand new terrain, maybe Chaotic ruins set for a purging?
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be...
Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?
Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.
This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).
The Ork barricades are included in the Mek Workshop box, and the Walls and Floors sprues from Chalnath are part of the Sisters Battle Sanctum. But point still noted.
Best case scenario is brand new terrain, maybe Chaotic ruins set for a purging?
I might be mistaken, but I could have sworn that the barricades were only included with the mekboy workshop following the repackaging with the new Ork book. At the time that Octarius released, it was just the "workshop" model. Heres where the mekboy workshop was previewed for the first time in 2018 - it doesn't show the barricades, etc: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/21/next-week-the-codex-youve-been-waiting-forgw-homepage-post-1/
Wasn't able to find much to confirm one way or another, my google fu must be weak
Voss wrote: Largely the same gear, though, so it seems like a pointless 'Whats in a name?' distinction to me.
We don't know that though. Traitor Guard may have greater access to special weapons, or a more expansive variety of weapons. Not to mention specialists (as it would be a KT box). Hell, a Heavy Weapon trooper/team could be right on the sprue, as GW doesn't have to mirror the current setup of the Cadian/Catachan sprues.
Right now Cultists are Autopistol/Hand Weapon. I suspect there will be an Autogun variant, but the two aren't the same.
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be.
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?
I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.
What an awesome day of reveals! Apart from the hover bike, I was impressed by all of it. Super happy with what showed up for chaos today, and hoping for traitor guard still to come for killteam.
Starfarer wrote: That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
Well that's not 100% then, is it.
And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.
Starfarer wrote: That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
Well that's not 100% then, is it.
And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.
This. In my mind, it's a coin toss whether the traitor guard will be an upgrade sprue for the Cadians or a new kit. I think making them an upgrade sprue would be an awful waste unless that upgrade sprue is AMAZING.
I think it's much more likely that it'll be two full new kits. What we may see as a result is other things getting upgrade sprues that wont be Kill Team releases.
Remember the upgrade sprue that came out for the Cadian Shock Troops before Kill Team 2.0 came out? I bet that Cadian shock troop was supposed to be a Kill Team release, but due to strategies having to be redone on the fly due to shipping delays and such, they released it ahead of time. Who knows what else could be coming? Either way, we'll be able to tell come Friday.
GW jokes about the age of the Berserker kit. Which is true, but the IG kit is also of that generation, and also needs updating. And to make matters worse the IG kit costs more $ than the SM Tactical kit.
The Dark Commune being a unit for a HQ choice makes me think we may be going back to commanders with command squads combined for guard, and I am all for it.
Starfarer wrote: That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
Well that's not 100% then, is it.
And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.
a heavy armour upgrade sprue for Cadians to get Kasrkin is not that unlikely
Kasrkin are Cadians in plate armour and upgraded Laser Guns, a sprue with new helmets, backpags and guns/arms and you have your elite Cadians to fight new traitor guard models
and how the models on the pics for traitor guard look like, those are new mono-pose models with some options to exchange weapons, so for sure not an upgrade kit for old-school models
I think everyone is setting the bar way too low for potential traitor guard and kasrkin.
Both of these would be fantastic additions to the ranged......would we really think GW would put out an upgrade sprue to one of the its worst kits in circulation for two units people have been wanting for years?
I mean I don't have a lot of expectations of GW, but I feel making an upgrade sprue to the current Cadians to make Traitor Guard or Kasrkin would just be inviting even more negative feedback than they already get (though in this case it would be well deserved).
All that said, I don't think we will see both in the same KT box. I do expect we will likely see Traitor Guard on Friday though.
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be.
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?
I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.
Maybe the Traitor Guard sprue from Blackstone Fortress? Not exactly "new" then. I can't remember if there was other stuff on that sprue though.
So, that was a good first day, I think. The Chaos models all look pretty nice.
Possessed look good. That's kind of a first. Sure, we had Greater Possessed with the last Chaos update paving the way, but an actual Possessed kit that doesn't suck is much appreciated.
"Of the abyss" is a direction I don't mind GW taking cooltists. I quite like the ones from Blackstone Fortress. If I had been at the helm I would have given them skirts like the 2nd ed cooltists had, rather than pants and half skirts. But I'm not actually bothered by that.
Cooltist half spawn look fun individually, but a bit of a mess as a unit. I'll put that down to 'Eavy Metal style being a bad choice for these guys rather than the actual models. A more cohesive and grisly paintjob will do wonders.
Cooltist Possessed suffer a similar issue, but I'm generally not so sure about them. I'd like to see 360°s of them before I make up my mind. Still, I like them in concept at least.
Command squad looks fine to me. I see why people bring up Nazgul, but in my opinion that's just poor choice of colors on GW's part. If they shared the red all the other cooltists have instead of being all dark, I imagine the connection to Nazgul wouldn't be invoked quite so often. I like the demagogue, but I hope banner guy has other banner top options as well. I need to see more angles on floaty head guy.
As with the Possessed, there's a first in seeing GW produce an actual, good Daemon Prince in plastic. It's such an improvement on the current one. I don't mind seeing people think of the generic and Slaanesh heads as the good ones. It's as it should be.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the Chaos models shown. Much happier than my wallet, I'd say.
Squat trike, eh. I don't hate it, but since I'm on the side that wants to see space dwarfs grounded, a hover trike was never going to appeal to me. So whatever. What really caught my interest is the paintjob. Now I'm not a fan of the color scheme GW chose to showcase the faction . To each there own. But someone mentioned earlier that the model is missing a focal point and the pilot blending in too much, or something to that effect. For some reason GW chose to paint the trike the same color as the Squat's pants. That's a really weird choice.
Bring on the AoS preview. Although if it's just trees and rats it's probably not going to be of that much interest to me. But we'll see.
Voss wrote: And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.
Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.
I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.
Wonder what the terrain will be.
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?
I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.
Maybe the Traitor Guard sprue from Blackstone Fortress? Not exactly "new" then. I can't remember if there was other stuff on that sprue though.
The traitor guard of blackstone came in a sprue with other things (the chaos marine, psyquer, beasts etc..)
We have the silhouette of a renegade guard somewhat different from the existing ones, the kill team flag with the symbol of chaos, come on, I am convinced that it is a traitor guard for Kill team.
Where I have doubts is in the other part. Kasrkin would be ideal, too good to come all in the same box.
Well we've been told Kasrkin are coming, and I believe it's from the same source who has been right about everything else so far (except Chaos Bikers).
Of course, there's no reason that the next KT box would have both in there, or that Kasrkin are for KT at all.
And if the next KT box is Nephilim themed, well, then we need some Necron stuff... right?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well we've been told Kasrkin are coming, and I believe it's from the same source who has been right about everything else so far (except Chaos Bikers).
Of course, there's no reason that the next KT box would have both in there, or that Kasrkin are for KT at all.
Not to forget the rumor engine with the distinctive old Kasrkin camouflage. Yeah, there should be no doubt Kasrkin are coming. We just don't know when.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And if the next KT box is Nephilim themed, well, then we need some Necron stuff... right?
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Starfarer wrote: That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
Well that's not 100% then, is it.
And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.
The initial release was a new edition of the game,which for every GW release showcases new models for both factions.
Each release since is an expansion to the game. None of the expansions have featured 2 brand new factions with new models. GW had laid out the roadmap for KT releases. We've seen the pattern of these releases be one entirely new faction, and one existing faction with an upgrade sprue.
I'm not saying it's impossible that we get Kasrkin and Traitor guard in kill team, but I don't believe they would be in the same box. Aside from the release pattern, it is two very similar units against each other. Might be thematic from a lore perspective, but the boxed sets tend to offer two factions with a variance in play style.
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Which, of course, won't stop GW.
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Which, of course, won't stop GW.
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.
I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.
There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures.
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Which, of course, won't stop GW.
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.
I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.
There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:
Spoiler:
Hmm, yeah. For a Canoptek menagerie we'd need a full new kit though, and as Starfarer rightly points out, that's the less likely option going off the two player sets we've seen for Kill Team so far. Both boxed sets after the launch box (and derived starter box) have been a new team plus an old squad plus upgrade sprue.
So while certainly a cool idea, I'm wondering if we won't see an upgrade sprue for Warriors instead. The new Warriors still have separate arms and heads, and a Cryptek builds on the Arrior frame, so you could easily have at least one Cryptek on the sprue for a specialist. You could possibly make a Flayed One as well with upgrade bits. After that, I don't know. At that point we'd be departing from what Warrior bodies historically built. Which is what got me to wonder in the first place, if GW is willing to go that route.
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Which, of course, won't stop GW.
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.
I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.
There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:
Either they're being squatted (which, in the topsy turvy world of GW and its apologists/shills, would make sense) or they're just going to use the Blackstone kit for that.
Geifer wrote: Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too?
Immortals, Pariahs, and Flayed Ones had a sentience to them--which they still retain. Along with the Deathmarks, Lychguard, and Praetorians.
The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
I mean, it seems like a fine fit if they opt for Deathmarks as the route to go for.
They're independent of the various dynasties, they have a level of sentience, and they're known for being underhanded jerks.
Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.
Which, of course, won't stop GW.
I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.
I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.
There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:
Spoiler:
Hmm, yeah. For a Canoptek menagerie we'd need a full new kit though, and as Starfarer rightly points out, that's the less likely option going off the two player sets we've seen for Kill Team so far. Both boxed sets after the launch box (and derived starter box) have been a new team plus an old squad plus upgrade sprue.
So while certainly a cool idea, I'm wondering if we won't see an upgrade sprue for Warriors instead. The new Warriors still have separate arms and heads, and a Cryptek builds on the Arrior frame, so you could easily have at least one Cryptek on the sprue for a specialist. You could possibly make a Flayed One as well with upgrade bits. After that, I don't know. At that point we'd be departing from what Warrior bodies historically built. Which is what got me to wonder in the first place, if GW is willing to go that route.
I will make the spicy take. Necrons get a new unit and space marines get the upgrade sprue.
Necrons see the return of Pariahs, a sorely missed and arguably necessary unit in today's psyker 40k. And space marines get a upgraded intercessor box that includes all the sargeant options that didn't exist when the unit came out and some new underslung bolter options to give some special weapon options to the squad while still retaining its original design.
Necrons see the return of Pariahs, a sorely missed and arguably necessary unit in today's psyker 40k. And space marines get a upgraded intercessor box that includes all the sargeant options that didn't exist when the unit came out and some new underslung bolter options to give some special weapon options to the squad while still retaining its original design.
Spicy take.
Spicier take: Legion of the Damned Kill Team.
I'm not sure what their current status is in the fluff since Primaris arrived, but a bunch of Intercessors along with an upgrade sprue should work and give a marine unit that potentially all imperial players can include in 40k too.
We have the Traitor Guard silhouette in the Warhammer Fest picture, and Traitor Guard has been absent from the 40k preview. As has been said before, we should assume that they show as one of the Kill Teams on Friday, so the real question is who the other Kill Team is. There's no room for both Marines and Necrons unless GW changes the way they release Kill Team(s).
Necrons see the return of Pariahs, a sorely missed and arguably necessary unit in today's psyker 40k. And space marines get a upgraded intercessor box that includes all the sargeant options that didn't exist when the unit came out and some new underslung bolter options to give some special weapon options to the squad while still retaining its original design.
Spicy take.
Spicier take: Legion of the Damned Kill Team.
I'm not sure what their current status is in the fluff since Primaris arrived, but a bunch of Intercessors along with an upgrade sprue should work and give a marine unit that potentially all imperial players can include in 40k too.
Primaris Legion of the Damned? Go easy on whatever it is you're smoking.
Starfarer wrote: None of the expansions have featured 2 brand new factions with new models.
Sure they have. Phobos Marines and the newer style Chaos Marines were 100% new in their box, and that wasn't the start of a new edition for 40k.
Again, GW's inconsistency is their only consistency. You can't look at past performance and try to put it forth as a pattern. You're just as likely to be wrong as you are correct.
BrotherGecko wrote: Well the rumor guy that seems to know everything said to start expecting marine codex 2 around this time so I suspect one half will be marines.
It would be like GW to put necrons on the cover of the new warzone season, make them the themed bad guy and just do nothing for them.
Notably that's the warzone (40k), not the killzone (KT). I know we want to read that as a hint of what the Kill Team release has to offer, but it may very well be just as you say with Marines taking the spotlight in Kill Team and Necrons nowhere in to be seen (or quite possibly getting a White Dwarf treatment instead of a model release).
Voss wrote: Largely the same gear, though, so it seems like a pointless 'Whats in a name?' distinction to me.
We don't know that though. Traitor Guard may have greater access to special weapons, or a more expansive variety of weapons. Not to mention specialists (as it would be a KT box). Hell, a Heavy Weapon trooper/team could be right on the sprue, as GW doesn't have to mirror the current setup of the Cadian/Catachan sprues.
Right now Cultists are Autopistol/Hand Weapon. I suspect there will be an Autogun variant, but the two aren't the same.
They did mention autoguns for cultists during the stream (though... given they waffled on base sizes again (for the DP this time), they don't come across as all that knowledgeable).
My issue is the differences are minor, and any gear differences are 100% GW deliberately deciding to make them different (this time), particularly for specials/heavies.
As for specialists, its weird. The KT specialists for Krieg don't actually matter much for 40k. They have the same special weapons, voxes, etc as normal guard. And you can get a command squad and advisors out of it if you try, but as an infantry squad, its...a guard squad box, same as any other.
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Now they might well do it (between rumors and silhouettes, I'll admit its more likely), just for me personally, its a pointless overlap that seems entirely unnecessary. Especially for an adjunct unit in Codex CSM that's historically been treated really poorly (and has weird limits in other chaos books so far). Cultists are getting a lot of support already this time, and more of the same 'but slightly different' is a weird direction. It'd be much less so if they got their own book, but as is, it feels like an odd mishmash of competing directions.
BrotherGecko wrote: What if that silhouette is just an event model or one of the new Warhammer+ subscription mini options?
If it were a Warhammer+ mini, it would have been shown yesterday. Same with if it were an event mini.
Remember that there's not a Black Library/Media portion this year like we had last year. We just have Skirmish Games on Friday and Horus Heresy to go, once AoS finishes today.
BrotherGecko wrote: What if that silhouette is just an event model or one of the new Warhammer+ subscription mini options?
If it were a Warhammer+ mini, it would have been shown yesterday. Same with if it were an event mini.
Remember that there's not a Black Library/Media portion this year like we had last year. We just have Skirmish Games on Friday and Horus Heresy to go, once AoS finishes today.
I suppose traitor guard for HH hasn't been discussed yet.
I will make the spicy take. Necrons get a new unit and space marines get the upgrade sprue.
Necrons see the return of Pariahs, a sorely missed and arguably necessary unit in today's psyker 40k. And space marines get a upgraded intercessor box that includes all the sargeant options that didn't exist when the unit came out and some new underslung bolter options to give some special weapon options to the squad while still retaining its original design.
Spicy take.
Even spicier: Marines get the upgrade kit, but it's to the new HH Beakies, to give them all the options to make a 40K Tactical Squad.
I don't even slightly think there's a chance of this happening, but it's what I'd *want* to happen. Throw in Canoptek Menagerie and I'd buy at least two.
BrotherGecko wrote: What if that silhouette is just an event model or one of the new Warhammer+ subscription mini options?
If it were a Warhammer+ mini, it would have been shown yesterday. Same with if it were an event mini.
Remember that there's not a Black Library/Media portion this year like we had last year. We just have Skirmish Games on Friday and Horus Heresy to go, once AoS finishes today.
Gentle reminder that people will start getting their Warhammer+ minis in 3 weeks fi they were already 40k app subscribers, so I dare say they'll need to reveal them soon so those subscribers aren't left without the option to pick next years ideally.
Dudeface wrote: Gentle reminder that people will start getting their Warhammer+ minis in 3 weeks fi they were already 40k app subscribers, so I dare say they'll need to reveal them soon so those subscribers aren't left without the option to pick next years ideally.
Oh crappit, thanks for that timely reminder. I have moved since signing up so I better make sure my details are correct.
One thing that made me laugh was that Adam Troke still mentioned that Friday would have Underworlds stuff despite there having been corrections made since he said that the last time.
Not Online!!! wrote: Bit annoyed at the lack of autogun cultists being shown off.
Agreed. I asked a few places if they had autoguns and the heavy/special weapons on the sprues, but got no reply. I really would like them to confirm that.
New cultists are going to be some horrid wargear abomination of like, 3 ccw/auto pistol, 2 dual ccw, 2 autogun, leader special “necromantic sword of doom” that’s the exact same as the rest of the ccw, one autogun, then a flamer.
Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote: New cultists are going to be some horrid wargear abomination of like, 3 ccw/auto pistol, 2 dual ccw, 2 autogun, leader special “necromantic sword of doom” that’s the exact same as the rest of the ccw, one autogun, then a flamer.
Well, no. They're not. Look at the pics- they're ALL (10/10) pistol and CCW. Autopistols, specifically, with a bolt pistol sneaking in on the guy with 'real horns' and a veil.
Andy also claimed they had autoguns, but we didn't see that. And that they're monopose. I can't spot a lot of obvious arm joins (there is one really visible one (with the machete like blade overhead), and a couple likely ones, but that's it) and a lot of the body postures are wrong for the typical two handed rifle poses that GW uses.
I'm actually more worried that they don't get any special weapons at all.
I'll be honest, I'm not an AoS fan. I tend to farm Age of Sigmar miniatures for things that will be useful in Warhammer Quest or the 40kRPGs.
I have no expectations beyond "something related to Tree Elves", although knowing my luck they'll announce some killer new Ogre models right after I bought a box of Bulls and Ironguts.
Andy also claimed they had autoguns, but we didn't see that. And that they're monopose. I can't spot a lot of obvious arm joins (there is one really visible one (with the machete like blade overhead), and a couple likely ones, but that's it) and a lot of the body postures are wrong for the typical two handed rifle poses that GW uses.
It could be that the poses are actually variable based upon what arms are being used like the new Ork Boyz, who have bits of musculature missing from the torso that is then covered up by armor plates.
I'm actually more worried that they don't get any special weapons at all.
Would that be such a bad thing if renegade Guardsmen are truly actually happening?
It puts Cultists as a Conscript equivalent, then Guardsmen as the real "troops".
I'll be honest, I'm not an AoS fan. I tend to farm Age of Sigmar miniatures for things that will be useful in Warhammer Quest or the 40kRPGs.
I'm the other side of that coin. I'll find a use for almost all of the Chaos Cultist stuff that was previewed yesterday for various AoS chaotic projects.
Ooh, good. Glad that in a fantastical fantasy setting with multiple planes of existence, we're still using the same tired old trope that 'X can't possibly exist'
I believe the feet and masonry were a rumor engine that people were guessing for cursed city.
Ouch. Just an assassin character and battletome? This model line is _rotting_.
I'm amused by Eddie's enthusiasm for Eshin, when its still the old monkey rat models and a handful of surviving metal gutter runners.
I'll be honest, I'm not an AoS fan. I tend to farm Age of Sigmar miniatures for things that will be useful in Warhammer Quest or the 40kRPGs.
I'm the other side of that coin. I'll find a use for almost all of the Chaos Cultist stuff that was previewed yesterday for various AoS chaotic projects.
Same, couldn't care less for 40K. But i'm loving all the new trees.
SamusDrake wrote: My Skaven loving friends...my heart felt commiseration. That is a painful kick in the nuts...
Frankly, armies like Sylvaneth and Fyreslayers need more attention than rats. Rat models are mostly very good, even if they are a bit old.
Well Fyreslayers didn’t get any attention either, so it would have been nice if the rats had. The newer Skaven models are very good, anything old doesn’t hold up, and a lot of it is old.
