Stockpiling continues...

Sorting is almost as dull as casting.

I know it's easier to do lots of something while you have the kit out and ready to go, but that's a lot of casting you appear to be doing... are we to anticipate a big terrain build from you in the near future?

thats a looot of bricks! Im excited to see what may be coming

 dsteingass wrote:
Stockpiling continues...

Sorting is almost as dull as casting.

Dave is building he imperial city,AND the Death Star it flew in on.

Me want..............

Never tried this kinda thing , hearing lots about it here on Dakka, just going to have to have a go I guess. How well does this lot take paint?

Ortho Plaster takes paint and glue much better than Plaster of Paris. That stuff sucks, never use it. It's still porous, but only slightly. I'm not sure what I'm building yet, but I need roughly 300+ basic bricks to get started. What you see there stacked is about 100. The Doc is right, its just easier to keep rocking and rolling while I have everything out. Once the blocks are cast, they'll keep forever without a problem. They just need to cure for at least 24 hours before gluing together. And you really need to have enough bricks cast before starting to build.

Once the blocks are cast, they'll keep forever without a problem.

and they stack nice and neatly too.

Look forward to seeing what this becomes (there's a little Anime girl excitedly jumping and applauding with joy in my head at the prospects...)

haha I suppose your panties are showing too?

He did say 'anime girl,' right?

Dave I'm sure you've linked the site a dozen times before, but where do you get your ortho plaster from?

well..it WAS http://plaster-supply.com but they seem to have gone out of business..I dunno, I have their Phone and email.

..but gypsum is gypsum I suppose, You can get it anywhere I suppose. the 10,000 psi stuff is the best. I can drop blocks onto the concrete floor without even chipping.

dsteingass wrote: haha I suppose your panties are showing too?

Not mine, eww...
Not unless you want me to Dave...

Valhalla130 wrote:He did say 'anime girl,' right?

I did initially type lady to avoid the "girl" issue. But they are always girls when you watch anime.

Sorting is almost as dull as casting.

you don´t get a slight lego sorting feeling when working with these??? i bet i could sort these all day and when finally finsihed i would realize i am hungry and thirsty... but inbetween i probably wouln´t hear an earthquake....

i corss my fingers for soon to see what wonders you will be starting with these...

 Dr H wrote:

Valhalla130 wrote:He did say 'anime girl,' right?

I did initially type lady to avoid the "girl" issue. But they are always girls when you watch anime.

Oh, I knew what you meant. I was being sarcastic in that no matter the subject of the anime, they always seem to show panty shots.

heh..sort of..but I don't have enough trays or flat surface to sort all the different parts

Yes Val.that's why I made the panty comment too

Dave you almost have enough bricks to build an altar to sort the bricks on.

I not touching the panties comment, that just sounds so dirty, where is the league headed?

well... there are even rivets in the gutter... rivets are needed everywhere

and tho we all love frilly stuff... the cutton wool ones we will always come back to...they are good looking and are nice to touch

Wool drawers? itch!!

 dsteingass wrote:
Wool drawers? itch!!

As one of my Scottish friends was keen on saying to Anything wool related.."don't knock it till you try it"

No comment..........

F off... Are those a real GW product for the new Marine dex? That's a frakking joke, I won't be spending any money at GW any more.

Awesome stockpiling of plaster bits though!

Good to see we're on the same page with regards to anime panties.
Who'd have thought such an "innocent" comment about an anime girl jumping up and down would have led to such a revealing conversation.

Anyway, what will this thing, that Dave is planning, be?

good question!

This is Dwarvish looking, but the idea could be translated into jungle ruins methinks?


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edit: reading further, I know this guy from back in the Terragenesis days, and it's Balin's Tomb
I definately need to pick up another basic block mold from Bruce Hirst at GenCon next week.

Cue more dancing...

Jungle ruins... Love it already and it's only an idea.

Is that your's Dave and I missed it somewhere, or just robbed from the internet?
Edit: ahh I see.

Nope, belongs to an old friend from Terragenesis Charles Traylor. I just found it on the Hirst Arts fans facebook page.

 dsteingass wrote:
good question!

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edit: reading further, I know this guy from back in the Terragenesis days, and it's Balin's Tomb
I definately need to pick up another basic block mold from Bruce Hirst at GenCon next week.

First I was like wow,
Then I was like woW
Then Dave said it wasn't his
I thought someone burnt the midnight oil and went nuts. Glad I'm the only one who doesn't sleep.

LOL, I WISH I had solid oak shelving...and that much FINISHED terrain

Mine is sadly not so impressive

 dsteingass wrote:
LOL, I WISH I had solid oak shelving...and that much FINISHED terrain

Mine is sadly not so impressive

Where's that slap emoticon at? The shelves are not what we come to look at it's the amazing that covers them that brings us around.

Yeah, there is still a whole truck-load of impressiveness on those shelves of your's, even if they're not oak shelves...

I love that Seaview!

Thanks fellas!

I'm still not sure what this is gonna be, but it's all fitting together well, I'll just keep freestyling




I'm thinking it could be semi-modular too, build additional 1x1' boards so they all fit together..or maybe this will be just a one-off..I dunno.

That balins tomb thing is the bomb. I wish fervently for the space to sculpt on that level again.


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Your works are Pretty Damn Good (PDG) too dstien - just slightly smaller.

hmmm.... i look from time to time into terra genesis... but they don´t have a good gallery... there is a ton of OOT cool looking terrain to be found... but you have to be lucky... no real research function so often it is miss instead of hit...

and dave... that looks awesme already... the hollow structure is something i never would have done... somehow my rock sceery always tends to be fully material back to front...and why does cotton wool itch?... (ah... just translated that again... and i meant of course plain cotton panties silly me^^

Thanks Weets!

@Vik- Thanks buddy! Solid rock would be too heavy, and use up a lot of plaster dontcha think?

TG was pretty good for the late 90s/early 2000s but the internet and hobbies have come a long way since then. When Gary James started TG it was good, but then he sold it off to a guy who was kind of a stick in the mud, ruined the community aspect for me. Thankfully, we have that here on Dakka.

well on my diorama for the first comp... i used lots of foamboards... to build the inner structure... but never would i have thought about making it hollow... see... we learn something new each day

and yep... that would make it way too heavy... tho... i have build pure plaster hills already...


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and yep... dakka has a brilliant community... at least the part i tend to talk to

but i have also to add... the gallery leaves still much to wish for...

Dave, looking at the pics, I thought you were going back to The Hobbit and building the Goblin Kings town, but whatever it is to be will surely be impressive and well worth watching

Cool idea like the modular approach, hope we are going to see plenty of vines and jungle plantation

The rock moulds have turned out pretty cool looking better than I imagined, I saw some of these at a toy and train fair years ago and passed them up

Looking forward to see how you progress with this and what kind of architecture develops

I'm loving this plaster casting stuff... I'm guessing some dwarf scenery

Blown up dust city maybe?

That's coming together quite nicely.

Thanks all!

Ooh, that looks like it's going to be awesome! Love your terrain mate.

Looking brilliant. Rocks look ace.

I got it its a flying base for the Aircav. Because it's so heavy.

Does look great. And if you built 4 reasonably the same so they all sit back to back. You got a mountain, king of the castle battles! And would also make a very brilliant display stand.

With the rocks are you going traditional granite, or whatever the red rocks are in Arizona, or sandstone?

Got to get me more storage room so I can get going with this sort of thing. Looks so awesome.

Freakin' hell Dave that looks excellent with those rock molds! whatever you decide it shall be will be brilliant! although my biggest concern is the fact I saw the words 'gutter' and 'panty' and I somehow didn't have ANYTHING to with it! ......


..... I'm slipping

Building up nicely Dave. Rocks are looking rocky

What is it that you're building the hollow structure from, is that this foamboard I've been hearing about? Am I to assume the pin-like devices are to hold them in place while gluing?

Thanks guys!

Yes, that is 1/2" foamboard. I used to use those little plastic round head pins, but when you pull them out the plastic head would often come off. These pins are much more durable.

 nerdfest09 wrote:
although my biggest concern is the fact I saw the words 'gutter' and 'panty' and I somehow didn't have ANYTHING to with it! ......
..... I'm slipping

You need more purchase.

Awesome, as always!

There's no chance you're within reasonable driving distance of me, is there?

Thanks Alph!

it's 14+ hours to Manhattan, I drove it earlier this summer


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Something over here...will involve pillars and an arch maybe?

The jungle cave is looking pretty damn awesome already... wan't wait to see it develop.

Coming along at some speed. This plaster casting malarkey is very interesting!

Thanks Silver and Casey!

I must refuel my efforts with a Sunday project...

It takes a special kind of Masochist to torture himself, his better half, and his dog with the smell of this Brisket cooking low and slow for 4 hours.
Even uncooked and fat-side up (so that delicious flavor permeates slowly through the grain of the meat), it's a beautiful marbled thing of beauty for a carnivore isn't it?

I can make it to your house in 4 hours, actually I e made it to Indianapolis in 3.5, but that was when I had a sports car. Though I have had my SUV to the same speeds just don't tell the wife

Looking at this one might inquire: Who needs Lego this days?
Infinite blocks rocks!

PS
I'm sure as hell I've seen this meal-pic before... Like a year ago... still cooking m8

I've probably posted pics of one or two briskets on here before

I can't help it, I see it as edible art

I think it should be a jungle weapons depot for the guard, or an Ork cave on a jungle planet that the guard are assaulting if you do the first then you could have marbo or snipers camouflaged in the jungle along with a weapon pit to keep visitors away from the mouth of the cave.

All I know this far, is that it'll have a lazy, double cascading waterfall flowing down in front of the cave (because proper waterfalls should always have mysterious caves behind them)


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BTW..The Brisket was AMAZING!- The Brisket in the Butcher case at the Fresh Market had a nice marbled cut, but they trimmed the fat off for looks. I told he guy I needed about 1/2" fat on top for slow roasting....he knew EXACTLY what I meant, and went in the back and custom cut me 4 Lbs with a lovely layer of fat on it. I cooked it low and slow and when I cut that fat layer off...OMG it tasted like a tender roast completely infused with juice and braised from the bottom with hard cider. I can now NEVER buy another brisket from the grocery store again.I can't believe the difference it made.

Lucky me......I am a butcher.

Sounds delicious btw. I got to try this sometime.

We had loin of pork, with crackling, and roast topside of beef for our Sunday lunch. I am sure I put on a stone just at lunch.

Model looks brilliant, putting me in mind of maybe lizardmen..... but you could go Kroot/Tau with this!!! Just a thought.

Well GOD BLESS YOU then my friend! -You make civilized society possible for the rest of us!

I use a pan with a rack in the bottom, I pour two bottles of Hard Cider under the rack. Then I etch a diamond pattern everywhere on the membrane (like a ham-sides and fat topside too), then rub my dry blend into the diamond pattern and let it sit on the block while I clean and cut potatoes, onions, carrots, and sweet peppers. Cover with foil and then smell it at 300F for 4 hours..or an hour for every pound.

Then Ladygeek makes an amazing gravy from the cider and drippings

Still amazed that you can scratch build with anything, plastic, resin, metal, plaster, MEAT and make it all so good

HAHA Knife-wielding skills are useful cross-hobby, that's for sure,

But remember, not knowing how to cook, is like not knowing how to Frack

 dsteingass wrote:
HAHA Knife-wielding skills are useful cross-hobby, that's for sure,

But remember, not knowing how to cook, is like not knowing how to Frack

LOL. Well you sure have Wetter my Appetite. Too Bad atm i am Not able to have pork in the table Any more, my wife and the Kids are if at all only willing to chew chicken and other birds...
Tue waterfall/cave still makes me hope for a Fallout related context.

That's Beef Brisket Vik, the Breast Meat of the cow

Been meaning to ask you, Dave...

I've been working with packaging card a lot for Briancj's competition and it's giving me confidence to try plasticard again. I draw all of the pieces on the card before I cut them out but I'm not sure how I'd go about that on plastic. I've tried before and the plasticard just didn't take pencil very well. What do you use?

Use whatever marks it, pen, marker, pencil. A Harder lead (2H) will probably work best. With plasticard, you only need to score it and snap it.

Great, thank you. I might be using too hard a pencil actually, I've been using a 7H which barely marks card to be fair. I'll try a 2H and see how it goes, failing that I'll get myself a pen with a fine tip.

Those Sharpie pens are nice and fine if you've got one.

Making a Hobbits' feast again eh Dave?

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Making a Hobbits' feast again eh Dave?

Yes Sir! Afterwards I was as lazy as a Hobbit with a belly full too!

Today, I'm working on the ruins, stay tuned...

Well, after such a sumptous repast, no wonder you feel lazy, you got the Itis!

A fine tipped white board marker is good because the ink just wipes off after. Also the CD marker pens are good for a fine tipped pen.

Okay so if it doesn't work I should get a Sharpie, whiteboard marker or CD marker. Thanks guys. The Sharpie sounds like the best for the fine details I need but I'll see what I can find locally.

 Casey's Law wrote:
Okay so if it doesn't work I should get a Sharpie, whiteboard marker or CD marker. Thanks guys. The Sharpie sounds like the best for the fine details I need but I'll see what I can find locally.

Casey, kill two birds with one Hobbit and get a micron pen. that way you can mark more precisely, and also use it to write scroll work. otherwise I just use a ballpoint pen. Mine happens to be pink ink because I like pink, it shows up nicely on white, and blue/black ink hides on grey plastic.

I have a fine black ball-point pen, it carves nice brick lines in foam with slight pressure.

Gluing ruin sub-assemblies

Nice columns , i'm on my desktop, so I get a much nicer pic than even my ipad, couldn't see half the details before.

beef yeah... of course... silly me... but nevertheless all the same... my kids and wife are sadly not into good meat... in fact... my wife is a retired () vegetarian... and my son felix is not really into meat at all... very picky about his food... but there is still hope in form of my son oskar... he is a meathead like his father (pun inteded only soso^^)...

is that all casted by you??? looks like you are absolutly in control of your casting process...everything looks so perfect!

They look great! And thanks Theo, you're right, a micron pen is exactly what I need!

Thanks Vik!
Actually, my casting process isn't quite perfect yet, some bricks are a bit off, but I mix them in with others, the bubble parts will just look like weathering
-Yep all casted, it's a lot of work but....

Dam that looks pretty dam fantastic Dave I have to say those columns look great which set of moulds are those from if you don't mind sharing mate

On another note ordered some Aluminium sheet mesh of ebay, will check it against the stuff I have got and if it is the same I will send it on to you

If not I will send you the sheet of original I have or get some more, but if it is the same it is way cheaper and you can get it in longer lengths I believe

Ruins looking very cool.

Very nice ruins, Dave.

i hate to tell you but your current glue work looks slightly off center in places... the upper parts you just put on... in the front... the upper pillar arch...

also... what glue do you use for these?

Thanks Fellas!

@LDD-
I used

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@Vik- It's Aileen's Fast Grab tacky glue, you have like 15 minutes before it sets to square everything up.
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don't forget it''l be covered with vines and growing things of all sorts...

Dave did you want that mesh?

I know Aircav is on hold at mo.

Ruins look amazing. What will you use for the vines?

Thanks cam, LDD is shipping some. (Thanks btw LDD)

Probably wire and a mix of some other products.

That Hirst Arts stuff is great, wish is was more readily available over here, the fun I could have with some of the molds...

Still looking very Middle Earth Dave, reminds me of Elven ruins now...

Just went to the hirst website. I always thought he was from England. Not only is he from the u.s., but he's in my state I feel like an idiot, cause Ive checked his site before.

Mr. Bruce Hirst has heard your cries, and he has delivered!
http://www.hirst-arts.co.uk/
.>Well, he lets these guys sell em over there anyways.

Now all I need is a UK supplier of Ortho plaster.

Got to look into this. Someone on another blog suggested using Portland Cement, not sure how that would work. It would be cheap enough, but it's a nasty chemically thing to be playing around with. And Plaster of Paris is not quite up to the job. I think I will spend an evening looking for Ortho Plaster on the web.








(PS. Really sorry I managed to put you off the Aircav BTW. Did not suggest the comp. to put pressure on you, sorry.)

 Camkierhi wrote:
Now all I need is a UK supplier of Ortho plaster.

Got to look into this. Someone on another blog suggested using Portland Cement, not sure how that would work. It would be cheap enough, but it's a nasty chemically thing to be playing around with. And Plaster of Paris is not quite up to the job. I think I will spend an evening looking for Ortho Plaster on the web.
(PS. Really sorry I managed to put you off the Aircav BTW. Did not suggest the comp. to put pressure on you, sorry.)

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 dsteingass wrote:
Thanks cam, LDD is shipping some. (Thanks btw LDD)

Probably wire and a mix of some other products.

I still need you to send me your address though no probs

 Camkierhi wrote:


(PS. Really sorry I managed to put you off the Aircav BTW. Did not suggest the comp. to put pressure on you, sorry.)

Oh no! not you, not even the comp. I just hit a wall with it man

I know I'm evil , but miniature market has dust stuff with extra 10% off thru Friday. Coupon code "dtsten" you can hate me later, or save your monies for gencon, they'll probably be selling stuff there as well.

Well..today is the day. We take our yearly pilgrimage to GenCon. Very Exciting!

Dave are you close enough to dive home each day, o do you only go for one day? Also picture of the usual your taking to pick up the supply drop I necessary.

Well, we could drive home everyday, 1.5 hr. drive, but that's just silly, as stuff is always going on 24/7 for the 4 days. We book the hotel as soon as we can in May, (you have to- with 45,000 attendees last year, you wont get one. we'll be home Sunday. Plenty of pictures will be forthcoming..especially the ever-important supply drops!

Sooooo, what's GenCon?

 nerdfest09 wrote:
Sooooo, what's GenCon?

I know Australia is out there, far away and all that but...

have all of the fun of the world... best wishes dave!!!

at nerdy....

Sooooo, what's GenCon?

its some new kind of sushi... fancy of you not knowing...

Its a con, involving gen.


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a Gen-Con if you will. Ok I admit I have no farkin idea what a gencon is . Is it like Swansea?


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I could google it of course but I prefer to wallow in my ignorance

 weetyskemian44 wrote:
Its a con, involving gen.


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a Gen-Con if you will. Ok I admit I have no farkin idea what a gencon is . Is it like Swansea?


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I could google it of course but I prefer to wallow in my ignorance

Nothing is like Swansea ……………Thankfully

Have a good time Dave and buy me something nice

It's the largest gaming get together here in the states as far as I'm aware of. It used to be up in mi hogan back when tsr were the big dogs. Most game companies make it to the event with thousands of tables to buy at. It's when the big boys usually show off their next big releases, so expect the news and rumors pages to go insane this weekend with pics. Some companies have already been showing their wares this week, but will have stock at the con, generally with big discounts so they don't need to haul it home. All the local stores here have been loading their uhauls to take up there.

I'm waiting for the dreamforge games pics of the leviathan Mortis, and their 15mm versions as well as all the weapon arms. Hawk games just showed off their new starter box with plastic figs a few hours ago. I wouldn't be surprised if GW actually showed something off since they've leaked space marine pics lately.

Ahhhhhh COOL! while I love Tasmania to bits sometimes I really feel left out of the loop! I don't have any GW stores in my state or tournaments or Golden Demon or GenCon's :-( only 2 stockists of a minute amount of GW products so you guys are really my one link to knowing what;s happening! :-) I'd love to see something like that one day, it sounds like the Nerd version of Auto Salon?

What is GenCon?
It's the best four days in gaming!

This is what my British friends call..a queue to get into the Dealer hall opening day.

Many more pics to come later, but the WiFi here is waaay over capacity, ANOTHER record-breaking attendance year. And I'm forced to use my phone as a hotspot. It never stops, all night, all day, every table in every lobby in every connected hotel and conference building is full of people playing games.

I'll leave you with a pic of rivets and brick and a great bit of graffiti

Awesome... I hope to make it out next year.

You should!

I talked to our very own Brian for awhile today. He's a Busy man (and was wearing a white Admiral's hat too) Running fleets of Starships. We'll have to kidnap him for Dinner or beers one of these nights.

Wow, that's some serious volume of nerds and geeks... I thought SALUTE '13 was busy this year, but GenCon just stomped all over that, look forward to seeing the pics...

I love that small piece of graffiti!!!

and I only ever was in such a "queue" once with my son... and it was all I could do not to panic... after all I was with my son... so no panic allowed....

Ah, the qeue reminded me of many a Trek convention, the Army, and the NY DMV all at once!

too bad so many peeps also like to have so much fun, eh?

I hate opening day at anything. Too many bodies trying to crush through the door. Also most gamers need extra space between them, especially he teenage ones, cause they get kinda ripe.

Thanks for the tutorial dave , I'm already practicing, I guess I should retread the part of mixing per instructions though .

LOL.... imagine a doorman...:"oi you.... look at yon shoes...and you stink... get back when you are dressed proplerly! and had a wash...."

In previous management issues I've had to ask mployees if they've showered in the past week because customers complained. Unfortunately the answer was "no", she had an excuse, but it wasn't a good one .

well... sometimes females smell quite better unshowered than males after the same length of time...tho... you don´t often get that lucky^^...

This gal was funky, and not in a dancing type fashion. She smelled like old tuna fish sandwiches. She couldn't shower daily cause lived in an apartment building and the pipes rattled really loudly and wake her neighbors. We told her to shower n the evening then, so it would cut down the smell, but that woke up other neighbors.

well you can´t satisfy all customers, eh?^^

also... I like tuna^^

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
well you can´t satisfy all customers, eh?^^

also... I like tuna^^

Week old tuna that's been in the sun for a week?

See what happens when your away from your thread too long, let this be a lesson to you new guys

Had to deal with this in the past myself, at least mine was a fella, you can tell a man he stinks. Ladies you have to be slightly more subtle.

I should imagine Dave is pretty hip deep in "tuna" with those crowds.

Long, long ago when I could be bothered to visit a game store, it usually had half a dozen smelly blokes in T-shirts, hanging around with a bunch of smellier kids. That was bad enough, let alone thousands of like minded individuals, with personal hygiene last on the list of priorities.

Probably smells like Dr.H's hut by now.......

Cam.
My Hut smells lovely with all the flowers and the more than adequate ventilation... maybe alien mould doesn't smell bad either...

Haha- no tuna smells, but GenCon is famous for *some* gamers stinking up the place. The Crop Dusting/Mystery shopping is the worst. Really? you have to shiit yourself in this crowd? really?

Some people are really just a pile of nurglings in a suit it seems...

 dsteingass wrote:
Haha- no tuna smells, but GenCon is famous for *some* gamers stinking up the place. The Crop Dusting/Mystery shopping is the worst. Really? you have to shiit yourself in this crowd? really?

what? did they invent the portable WC???

Plaster stuff looks ace, Dave! The rock faces in particular are really inspiring - I've never seen someone do something on that scale with it. It looks so realistic as well - I almost want to climb it. Must weigh a ton though!

My favourite thing about working with dental plaster is that even the miscasts make perfect damaged structures

Viktor von Domm wrote:

what? did they invent the portable WC???

Sorry, I lost you there buddy..what?

Scarper wrote:Plaster stuff looks ace, Dave! The rock faces in particular are really inspiring - I've never seen someone do something on that scale with it. It looks so realistic as well - I almost want to climb it. Must weigh a ton though!

My favourite thing about working with dental plaster is that even the miscasts make perfect damaged structures

Thanks Scarp! Ortho Plaster is slightly heavier than Dental plaster. A Dental building (based) weighing about 1 Lb might weigh 1.5 Lbs in Ortho, but it's not bad. A castle..now that would be really heavy.

Well, we're home from GenCon now. Thus begins the recovery phase. I'll have to sift through my loot bags and take some pics....I've got soo much cool stuff to show you





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GenCon Loot Drop!

The Best, FIRST!


The entire 84 color line of Badger Minitaire paints! A personal good deal from Ken "Badger" Schlotfeldt -He's a good guy!

RESIN!


These tire stacks and Jersey Barriers were super cheap at a booth that specialized in 15mm pirate ships and shipwrecks

Armorcast overhead pipes! I've wanted these for a VERY long time. I need more up-pipes still, but this is a LOT

MINIATURES!
(my #1 reason for going to GenCon every year)

New Warlord Games Apocalypse survivors and zombie sprues (men and women 30 in each box buy 4 boxes got two free along with more female zombie sprues- it was a great deal.

Gaunt's Ghosts set, Many OOP Praetorians

Including two pre-painted ones that I found as well.

This was in a clearance bin!! VERY Accurate sculpts of Zombieland Talahassee and Columbus! (I will have to scratch-build that banjo now, and convert that scale mail truck I found into a Hostess truck)
The cops and hostage figs are from Armorcast's new Mobocracy:Bodycount game.

Books!

Ladygeek had much more tonnage of loot in this category
Got the new Apoc book for $60 from TheWarStore, This great reprint of Dan Abnett's Titan Graphic Novel (from GW's booth), and the Infinity Artbook, the Mercenary chick figure in the minis pic was the free fig when you bought the book.
Not pictured: Board games Zombicide and Memoir '44

Ladygeek and I had a great time, but we're both exhausted in a really good way, overall an awesome time!
We went to shows, played games, ate good food, a great time!

I played in an 8 Hour Apocalypse game,



and WON with Guard (while my ally Space Marines Died a death fit for a Guardsman -muhaha) against a horde of Orks and Tau.

I continuously plinked an Ork Gargant with lascannon fire and good rolls and knocked out 10/14 Hull Points with that solid Guard firebase I dug in behind the bunker because they rolled a natural six for initiative.
Our Manticore was their first target, and they killed it in the first turn, along with a Space Marine Drop Pod and the Dreadnaught that stepped out of it.
We all kind of thought it was over for the Imperium.......in one turn!!

On turn #2

They called a WAAAGH and It was Very painful for my esteemed Space Marine ally
But the Guard dug in (even if it's right where they deployed ) and not only repelled the WAAAGH on the right flank, then focused Pask and another Russ on the Gargant, but the Lascannons did the real damage to it.
My movement rolls sucked, but I rolled well when shooting. The Astropaths behind the Bastion all died of a Perils of the Warp roll I made, then their overseer executed them all because of my lousy rolling


As a distraction on the left flank, I brought in my sacrificial Ogryns from reserve, outflanking onto the board on their table corner
Our Baneblade came onto the table in the middle, and the juciness of that big tank target was too much for them after that
My Stormtroopers were also sacrificial , they deep striked (struck?) in front of my line, we killed their Battlewagon, and Trukk mob, leaving the right flank basically me vs. a Gargant and an Ork Boss with a zzap gun.
The zzap gun malfunctioned and drew him into my troops like the Aperature Physics gun in Portal -A crazy, but Proper-Orky way for him to die though, you have to admit
-We laughed much


Creed was inside the Bastion, they all targeted our Bastion on their firing turn, obliterating it, and Creed and company too, including all the expensive advisors
Ghazkull's super mob took my Ogryn bait and turned around. The Ork Player rolled HUNDREDS- literally HUNDREDS of dice assaulting me into oblivion
But the distraction worked long enough to take out the Gargant, and most of the Orks with it,
and finally moved my 75% HW team (passed their rout test) 3 inches into the CRATER LEFT BY OUR BASTION to claim the objective and win.

It was a great game, because we all thought we had lost it on the first turn.

One guy on our team even quit and left the table (the guy who was running Creed, the Bastion, and the Manticore),but he was a whiney bitch anyways, loudly betting $20 that our line would fall and we got shafted, blah blah, blah.
but we pulled it off on victory points at about exactly 8 hrs (4 turns)... He never paid up on his bet, cause he left the game. What a prick.
Ladygeek went across the street to the hotel to sleep and took the camera with her, and I was having fun, so there were no more pics from in the late hours of the night.

The gaming areas are full of people and gaming 24 hours a day, they never ever stop. There is a game at GenCon for EVERYBODY
Here are some of the Tables that caught my eye











This is all laser-etched wood

Deepwars, a new Underwater skirmish game, fantastic miniatures.

This is the BEST Infinity board I've EVER seen.
I'll be reposting this over on Casey's Infinity Terrain blog as soon as I'm done typing and copying and pasting codes







Another Infinity board,near it house to house style





Bolt Action


Some Old Skool GorkaMorka action too


DUST- That's Mr. Paolo Parente himself in the white hair


Armory's new Mobocracy: Bodycount game



A Hirst Arts fort







There is really no way to get a picture from any angle of the dealer hall that shows its enormousity. I lose my sense of direction in it.





GW made an effort at their booth this year though

 dsteingass wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:

what? did they invent the portable WC???

Sorry, I lost you there buddy..what?

I think it was "Didn't they invent the portable WC?"


So many pics as well.
The terrain stuff there always seems to be good. And that giant spider thing.

Those pics look awesome!

Have you tried the minitaire paint? In your opinion is it less likely to clog that VMA line?

Nice haul Dave. I cant wait til I can figure out storage so I can order then play with the minitaire paints.

Yes! I used the Minitaire on my Gangster dio a while back. but viscosity is something that you change with different needles and different techniques anyways, however, straight out of the bottle, they don't clog.


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 Galorn wrote:
Nice haul Dave. I cant wait til I can figure out storage so I can order then play with the minitaire paints.

Bamboo spice racks from WalMart

Garlon- get casting! set up a booth next year! I'll autograph Nuka Cola machines at your booth

 dsteingass wrote:
Yes! I used the Minitaire on my Gangster dio a while back. but viscosity is something that you change with different needles and different techniques anyways, however, straight out of the bottle, they don't clog.


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 Galorn wrote:
Nice haul Dave. I cant wait til I can figure out storage so I can order then play with the minitaire paints.

Bamboo spice racks from WalMart

Yah I need to measure my space to find out what will fit where...

Great pics. Really glad you had a good time. Just wish there where events like this all over.

Can't wait to see some of that painted up.

Nice haul dave , looks like a fun time was had by all. Run into anyone from dakkadakka at the con. I saw lots of other posts, but yours was the first pics. Wish it was something I could fit into my schedule, but it was the first days of my kids school year . Maybe in a couple years when they are more self sufficient ill be able to go. We have Archon coming up in October here. I haven't gone in sooooo long, but its nowhere near what you showed off.

Thanks! I only talked to Brian briefly, I never made it to The Brushfire booth to meet Alf, Lego, and Cy.

Thanks for the pics Dave! man that looks awesome fun! I've never seen so much Nerd in one room before :-) such beautiful tables and models everywhere!

Nice haul.

and looks like a fun day(s) out. So much cool to gander at.

http://www.amazon.com/Nail-Polish-Table-Display-Bottles/dp/B004W8XLAM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2KMKLQI7O7AUO&coliid=I22DD9NVFZ6N2G

 Valhalla130 wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Nail-Polish-Table-Display-Bottles/dp/B004W8XLAM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2KMKLQI7O7AUO&coliid=I22DD9NVFZ6N2G

Thaniks Val That looks perfect, but I have to measure my workspace (there is a shelf that sticks out that I need to find out what the clearances are.)

The whole set fits on two of these

9x10" $5 ea.

How would you guys go about painting something to look like this?



Mine ren't looking so good. They looked really caked on. And Devlin Mud fails me in this instance. It looks great before I apply paint, but afterwards, not so good.

 dsteingass wrote:
The whole set fits on two of these

9x10" $5 ea.

What is the height to the top of the highest bottle?

7 inches to clear the dropper bottle of retarder.

@Val- Black (or dk Brown) basecoat, then grey drybrushing. maybe some devlan later, but you need that dark shade.

That's what I'm doing wrong. I primed them white.

 dsteingass wrote:
7 inches to clear the dropper bottle of retarder.

@Val- Black (or dk Brown) basecoat, then grey drybrushing. maybe some devlan later, but you need that dark shade.

That Might fit... It's going to be tight though... I'll check once I get up.

Im really digging that infinity board...are those home made laser-cut hdf board buildings? Or something MAS just developed and was showcasing? They certainly look near MAS quality. I can already see the variations you can set up and crazy number of configurations you can get out of having several of those. I love how the sidewalk bases 'clip' together with the drain grate in that one close-up photo.

I saw some pretty nice Infinity boards set up at KublaCon in May...I might have to dig up some photos and post them here.

I think that's Warmill stuff Fango.

helllllooooo....that supply drop/ loot drop looks awesome...
I don´t know how you do it... that would leave me and the kids and my wife probably supplied in food and shelter for at least a month... at least....

but I envy you... so much cool stuff... the praetorians you can be sure of my envy

and lots of other stuff...the paints... my goodness... how many peeps get back to their homes like that packed like that?

also... since I think no one mentioned it...cool shirt dave!

and I can´t understand what it might feel like to play an eight hours game... ??? that is almost a full workday

Thanks Vik! Everything I bought was a good deal..really it was. I didn't pay full retail for anything except the BL Graphic novel. The paints were an amazing deal at the con for $120, Amazon was giving them away at $140, but my previous promotional stuff I've done for Badger got me an even better deal All the paints sold out, quickly

People walk out of that Dealer hall with giant bags of things every minute, but I have a wonderful other half that enables me

but I have a wonderful other half that enables me

I know.... she´s a keeper

frankly...it is quite a good deal that I live on the other side of the globe...so I atm be unable to attend to such devious financial devasting events

That look slike a lot of fun, Dave. I hope to one day attend something like that.

Looking back through those awesome images I noticed I have inadvertently shaved my beard into the same style as Dave's but mine connects to my hairline like a REAL beard

I'm still green with envy of that GenCon, I would love the oppertunity to attend something like that where everyone there is of a like mind and enjoys the same things! all thos tables are brilliant for inspiration especially the one made from entirely CNC workshop ruins! it shows you CAN make wood look good! (there's a catch cry there for someone I know it!)

Dave, not to steer you back to your airwaves, but I was at dollar general this morning and saw this

I hadn't seen them before with the choppers. One looks like a hind, the other is an apache from what I could tell. Not sure of h dimensions for vultures and vendettas, but these might be a cheap alternative.

I didn't pick one up, but might buy two this weekend when they have the coupon going. I know you made the jeep work for the catchans.

@Damo- It's growing in now..I haven't shaved since then

@Theo- Those are different! I'll look for them on my next trip, thanks.

I'm really tempted to go grab one now if the local shop has it, I think they are starting to get their Christmas mix in now, so they should soon have cheap sets and more aisle space devoted to kiddies.

From the pic, it almost seems as if they are slightly small for the 60mm figs..which could be a good thing.


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BTW, I forgot to mention that I took several painting classes at GenCon as well. Classes on feathering, eyes, faces, and freehanding designs, taught by some competition-winning instructors.
So far, this has inspired me to clean and reorganize my painting bench

^ Oh my god that is beautiful! so many colours, so much liquid love....

It's like the Mecca of painters. They will come in droves to pay homage to the site. The pilgrimage will be long and hard, but in the end the spirit will be healed.

I want to take a class on feathering. Just tell me how, Dave.

Actually, the method is quite simple...so simple in fact, that I suprised myself that I didn't know it before. My handout has a nice graphic I'll take a picture of.
It's actually two techniques used together, feathering and glazing.
It's a huge excersize in patience though...the thing to remember most is "Wait for it" as it doesn't pop until after the glaze.

"wait for it" aren't we the instant generation? or is that the new lot? maybe we can be something other than 'children of the 80's'?

I thought I had allot of paints Dave, that collection is quite impressive...my problem is (in having allot of paints form different manufacturers), that many of them dry out before I end up using much of them. This is not the case however for the Coat d' Arms paint pots...(very first range of GW paints and now the P3 line)...the tabs and hinges may break fairly easily from use, but the seal is so good, that rarely have I had one dry up on me. Same cant be said for my Vallejo, newer GW (twisty tops more than the rest), and Rackham paints...

This collection is as old as my hobby I've got 90s GW paints that are still good, But the GW's are all drying as you look at them, I'm not buying any more of their paints. I prefer the dropper bottles anyways, best suited to both brush painting and airbrushing. Badger paints are flip-top and good forever, the Vallejo airs have all the mil-spec colors that I like. My Vallejo Game colors don't get used much anymore, but they are all about 10 years old and still good give or take one or two that dried up over time. Most need a little thinner.
The primers and weathering stuff wouldn't fit in the shot

Ignore the background, I am fighting a monster stuck in the drainpipe under the kitchen sink atm


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So I can remember how to paint the others....

Dude that's an Awesome Setup... Totally going to kinda copy that once I make time to... that will be after this weekend though as there is a church camp out that my family and I leave for on Thurs eve.

Thanks Sam! Seriously, you should look into a booth at GenCon, sell your wares!

I really like those armorcast pipe runs, I was thinking of making a few (similar concept) out of styrene tubing as Necromunda walkway/bridges, and finish the ends as thought they are turning 90 degrees downward and immediately disappearing into the platforms they are resting on. I think it would make more structural sense to wrap them in a truss frame ...and perhaps even have some random decking and railings for cover, etc. Will have to play around with it...

Love the necromunda blue there, looking forward to seeing them finished and displayed with the rest of your awesome custom necro terrain.

Thats a mighty fine paint collection you have, mine are all kept in a box

 dsteingass wrote:
Thanks Sam! Seriously, you should look into a booth at GenCon, sell your wares!

I intend to inquire into it for next year.

 dsteingass wrote:
Actually, the method is quite simple...so simple in fact, that I suprised myself that I didn't know it before. My handout has a nice graphic I'll take a picture of.
It's actually two techniques used together, feathering and glazing.
It's a huge excersize in patience though...the thing to remember most is "Wait for it" as it doesn't pop until after the glaze.

I am most eager to hear about that too... I have no clue what this entails at all atm...

Damn that's a nice works bench! Gives me inspiration!

Beautiful pipes dave, what's the measurements on them, height o pillar, length of run? Might have to make something similar.

Fango wrote:I really like those armorcast pipe runs, I was thinking of making a few (similar concept) out of styrene tubing as Necromunda walkway/bridges, and finish the ends as thought they are turning 90 degrees downward and immediately disappearing into the platforms they are resting on. I think it would make more structural sense to wrap them in a truss frame ...and perhaps even have some random decking and railings for cover, etc. Will have to play around with it...

Love the necromunda blue there, looking forward to seeing them finished and displayed with the rest of your awesome custom necro terrain.

Thanks Fango! I've coveted these for YEARS, I've often thought about doing something similar, but I never had these in hand to compare to. They are brilliantly sculpted, Even the miscast bits look like battle damage.

GiraffeX wrote:Thats a mighty fine paint collection you have, mine are all kept in a box

Thanks! I would never be able to find the color I wanted if I did that

Galorn wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
Thanks Sam! Seriously, you should look into a booth at GenCon, sell your wares!

I intend to inquire into it for next year.

You've got to get in early. Hotels are available May 1st- this year every hotel within a 50 mile radius was sold out. You REALY want one near the convention center.

Viktor von Domm wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
Actually, the method is quite simple...so simple in fact, that I suprised myself that I didn't know it before. My handout has a nice graphic I'll take a picture of.
It's actually two techniques used together, feathering and glazing.
It's a huge excersize in patience though...the thing to remember most is "Wait for it" as it doesn't pop until after the glaze.

I am most eager to hear about that too... I have no clue what this entails at all atm...

Soon, I shall explain

Glenmorray wrote:Damn that's a nice works bench! Gives me inspiration!

Thanks Glen! That's what I like to hear! Welcome to the nuthouse!

Theophony wrote:Beautiful pipes dave, what's the measurements on them, height o pillar, length of run? Might have to make something similar.

There are two heights tall and short. The short height is 2", the tall one is 7" The pipe runs come in long and short too. The long one is 7.5", the short one is 5". Pipes are all 1.25" wide.

Thanks for the measurements Dave

Also 2500th post(major milestone for me, but looking at Vik and Dave its not much)

every lil post counts....

and looking forward to that dave!

also... nice pipes
they´re from your gencon haul, right?

Yeah..no one can beat Vik at total post count

Yep Vik..pure Armorcast gold

A few people can... but, it is largely irrelevant.

Especially in my case!

well.... my current post count has drastically reduced since I went to school again^^

these are of the same producers that made those wall sections you sent me, isn´t it?

Yep Vik..but those Walls I sent you are really OOP now.These were OOP for awhile, but I'm glad they are back.

well... I treasure mind I just haven´t found a use for them...yet

Haha Alph...we have a lot of irrelevant posts around these parts
It's a good thing our MOD is so understanding

I have to be - could you imagine if... I wasn't?!?

Haha -You have to admit, the nonsense is often as popular (if not more than) the hobby posts

I was only speaking about the site in general - things are WAY more relaxed in the P&M area, and especially in people's 'personal' threads in those areas!

I pretty much stay here in the P&M section. OT scares me sometimes. We appreciate the relaxed-ness though.

 dsteingass wrote:
I pretty much stay here in the P&M section. OT scares me sometimes. We appreciate the relaxed-ness though.

I haven't even ventured there....it sounds scary......news and rumors has scared me off too.

Alpharius wrote:I have to be - could you imagine if... I wasn't?!?

lol... alpharius... I see both our names there... a match made in heaven...er...wallmart

and yep... whenever I venture into off topic it usually makes me come back to P&M with an angry and bewildered hothead...

I only noticed that when I was posting it here!

As for the OT...yeah.

I really only go there when summoned...so...I'm generally not too happy when I am there!

LOL.... I think one future day we have to find a better name for mods... something that sounds more fitting...

Well, my plumbing fiasco is fixed now, I gave the man $95 and he made the water go down once again!

I'll stick to resin plumbing myself from now on...

What is it about the creatures that graze in OT anyways? If you look in their galleries, often you see no models or talent whatsoever, yet they choose to troll on a gaming site for some strange reason?

 dsteingass wrote:

What is it about the creatures that graze in OT anyways? If you look in their galleries, often you see no models or talent whatsoever, yet they choose to troll on a gaming site for some strange reason?

I've often wondered about that myself...

I don't think I'll ever understand it!

However, it does allow me to occasionally transform into:



and unless this pic as well:

are you trying to tell me something?

...naaaa.I'm pretty sure you'd purify without warning

No worries here - I love this thread!

I just don't get to use those pictures as much as I like... or should?

Any excuse to whip them out, so to speak...

they didn´t even use holy fire to purge ...tststs... the standards are lowering all over the wold it seems....

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
they didn´t even use holy fire to purge ...tststs... the standards are lowering all over the wold it seems....

Vik, we're not even good enough for a color picture of exterminatus

You definitely don't want some Mod drop exterminatus on you - it is...horrible!



Anyway, carry on.

Just remember:

Thanks Alph!

Supply Envelope from LDD!!

REAL British car repair mesh!! (left)- you can see the pattern and surface area are bigger than the hobby mesh we get here in the US (right).

Thanks LDD!!

So now we see. That bigger mesh makes for good netting. Very similar product though. How does price compare?

Here, you get a 16"x20" sheet for about $5 at Michael's craft store- they used to carry different sizes, even brass, but nowadays this is the only one they stock.

ahh....what a mess....er.....mesh

More plumbing...

Glad it got there ok it's a pound a sheet for the A4 size you got, now make good use of it …………..not for repairing your car though

I still don't know how it works for car repair

 dsteingass wrote:
I still don't know how it works for car repair

Think that you have a small rust patch in your body work, clean it back to metal add filler and using the mesh as a support structure build over it, then sand back to form the desired shape.

mmm ducts, those look like a nice find,
makes me want to watch Brazil tho

what are the big blue things in the top of the image?

Those are the support pieces Noodles

I'm thinking more rust, less shininess eh?

You posted pics of rusty pipes and then your pipes in the house got clogged...coincidence???

I do love the pipes. Yes more rust.

What's the diameter on the actual pipes, about 1/2" ?

Mm got me thinking.

And the mesh is just as LDD says. It's like a support for fibreglass, to bridge larger gaps in body work.



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Other point is, and I often wonder this..........why?

Why would you take pipes up and around and down again like that. Looks great and all. But really why would you as an engineer think "I know I'll take the pipes from underground, and I'll run them up 20' in the air. I will have to build a gantry for them. Oh and then I'll run them back down again just over there. And everyone will wonder why I did it, and think "maybe there is something buried under just this bit that the pipes can't run through. OOO wonder what it is?" cool."

Nice pipes.

Maybe a little more rust. Although, think if you want them to look like they still work (not overly rusty) or if they are long forgotten (very rusty).

Cam: Maybe they're to clear a road and underground pipes are not possible.

 Camkierhi wrote:
I do love the pipes. Yes more rust.

What's the diameter on the actual pipes, about 1/2" ?

Mm got me thinking.

And the mesh is just as LDD says. It's like a support for fibreglass, to bridge larger gaps in body work.



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Other point is, and I often wonder this..........why?

Why would you take pipes up and around and down again like that. Looks great and all. But really why would you as an engineer think "I know I'll take the pipes from underground, and I'll run them up 20' in the air. I will have to build a gantry for them. Oh and then I'll run them back down again just over there. And everyone will wonder why I did it, and think "maybe there is something buried under just this bit that the pipes can't run through. OOO wonder what it is?" cool."

Could be like oil pipelines. The fluid must be warmed to make sure the viscosity is low enough for it to pump.

Either that or every so often have the pipes above ground in order to have access to them for repairs or clean outs if they get clogged.

.>Or because you need an excuse to have another elevated walkway

I used to work in a cotton mill, and we had pipes that had sprung up in a building that was over 100 years old, and they had to be run through areas not designed for those pipes in the first place. So, yeah, they twisted all over the place like that.

Dave's underhive now has proper piping and maybe duct work? must have Duct works!

That's the beauty of modeling the Underhive...no one remembers what the equipment used to be for, and especially WHY it's there

I love this thread...

 dsteingass wrote:
That's the beauty of modeling the Underhive...no one remembers what the equipment used to be for, and especially WHY it's there

True, so much forgotten technology, or secretly cared for if fresh seals and wax are upon the casings!

here in berlin we have quite a few open places where there is plenty of such pipeworks all over... one is even at a local university... I wondered about all these for quite some time too...then I just quit wondering... it never does to wonder for too long^^...specially with construction work in such a molloch of a city like I am living in...

Please send all your Praetorians to:

Brian C. Johnson...

damn... why didn´t I think of this before...

Dave, dude! those pipes do look good, I love the painting of them are we going to see some more step by step airbrushing of your terrain soon? I do so enjoy watching your projects blossom when you spray over them Hmmm looks like Alph can use those pictures sooner than he thought eh! i'm actually suprised he hasn't 'visited' my thread and slapped my wrist!

so, what's on the Dave-o-rizer now? are you still casting things for future use or are you planning a new little terrain project?

Briancj wrote:Please send all your Praetorians to:

Brian C. Johnson...

I'd think the singer of AC/DC would wonder why he got a bunch of figs in the mail wouldn't he?

Viktor von Domm wrote:damn... why didn´t I think of this before...

Cuz it wouldn't work

nerdfest09 wrote:Dave, dude! those pipes do look good, I love the painting of them are we going to see some more step by step airbrushing of your terrain soon? I do so enjoy watching your projects blossom when you spray over them Hmmm looks like Alph can use those pictures sooner than he thought eh! i'm actually suprised he hasn't 'visited' my thread and slapped my wrist!

so, what's on the Dave-o-rizer now? are you still casting things for future use or are you planning a new little terrain project?

I thought I was showing pics of my airbrushing? Really not much to show, black primer, blue, more blue, lighter blue, gunmetal, washes, rust... I got some new molds, but haven't casted any yet...soon.

I'd think the singer of AC/DC would wonder why he got a bunch of figs in the mail wouldn't he?

does that mean brian is secretly ac/dc´s singer in disguise... hells bells... now I am going to pester him for a crapload of signed CD´s I still don´t own

have all the praetorians for yourself... I want my collection of complete AC/DC cd´s...

No, Dave. This is why all of us Brian Johnsons in the world use our middle initial. So we're not confused with the lead singer of AC/DC.

No, seriously. If you'd even remotely consider it, I'd love to buy/barter/trade for your Praetorians. It is my last big IG push, to convert over to that Regiment.

by the way.... if someone feels lonely or just plain bored... he could hazard a glimpse at my thread... I am about to reveal a scratchbuild grotsukka...

Briancj wrote:No, Dave. This is why all of us Brian Johnsons in the world use our middle initial. So we're not confused with the lead singer of AC/DC.

No, seriously. If you'd even remotely consider it, I'd love to buy/barter/trade for your Praetorians. It is my last big IG push, to convert over to that Regiment.

I just want one full command squad and one of each sculpt for collecting reasons, I have some dup sculpts, I'll look.

Viktor von Domm wrote:by the way.... if someone feels lonely or just plain bored... he could hazard a glimpse at my thread... I am about to reveal a scratchbuild grotsukka...

looking...

 nerdfest09 wrote:
Dave, dude! those pipes do look good

I really hope he's talking about the terrain, but with nerdfest having fallen to the power of slaanesh recently I would advise closing the blinds and hiking up our pants dave, jus to be sure.

thanks for looking... I really hate auto added content

Yes..it sucks!

How's this for an update?
I didn't do anything today but go to Ohio, see my mom, eat a bunch of food, and get sleepy

However..I've been thinking about my pipe walkways all day. I need not just more rust, but different rusts, maybe even some paint showing..I dunno..they need..something....

 dsteingass wrote:
Yes..it sucks!

How's this for an update?
I didn't do anything today but go to Ohio, see my mom, eat a bunch of food, and get sleepy

However..I've been thinking about my pipe walkways all day. I need not just more rust, but different rusts, maybe even some paint showing..I dunno..they need..something....

What they are missing is textures. Maybe some flaking paint, or more chunky rust and corrosion?

Leaks is what you want.

Yeah, I agree, a puddle near the base of one of the risers, and some water effects drippage,

Well, the risers are mobile pieces, so no puddles can be modeled really..


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 Galorn wrote:
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What they are missing is textures. Maybe some flaking paint, or more chunky rust and corrosion?

YES...I agree...

or?

 dsteingass wrote:
Well, the risers are mobile pieces, so no puddles can be modeled really..


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 Galorn wrote:
.

What they are missing is textures. Maybe some flaking paint, or more chunky rust and corrosion?

YES...I agree...

or?

Yes exactly that sort of thing.

kinda like

pics aren´t working...

have a good time at your mums place!

Maybe after you close your blinds (nice pants by the way!) you could get some crackle medium to add the chipped paint on your pipes? I'm thinking of trying it out myself but it's always better when someone else buys it first :-) and yes, you did probably do stages for your painting but I may have missed it, and anyway I actually never tire of reading about how everyone does things even if i've seen it before!

say hi to your mum for me!

I've got some crackle medium, the problem is, it isn't predictable enough for the way I want to paint. I'm thinking I want to do all brush-shaded chips and cracks. It's more work, but I think I can get there. First thing's first though, I need to get the base color right, which probably means re-basecoating the pipes. And I need to work light to dark..which is backwards from everything I'm programmed to do on terrain


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Damo...what pants?

 dsteingass wrote:
Damo...what pants?

I know, but I didn't want to describe what I saw unless if scared everyone off! but dude, you should run a comb through that thing!

 nerdfest09 wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:
Damo...what pants?

I know, but I didn't want to describe what I saw unless if scared everyone off! but dude, you should run a comb through that thing!

LOL, I needed that this morning

You?..I'm looking out the windows for a hairy ozzy now

Dave just look for the crowd staring at someone's sak, and you'll find him.

Well, it is damn nice and I'm always one to share! :-)

Dave as to your pipes, for a technique do you remember this....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/403974.page?userfilterid=26139

Great paint work by Skalkbloodaxe. Can't remember how he did it exactly but could be worth reading up on again. His weathering on the tank, would suit your pipes perfectly.

Just an idea....

Some other possibly useful links for rust effects...

http://paintbard.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/painting-rust-effects.html
http://www.paulbatchelor.com/Rust.html
http://tutofig.com/2012/01/crackle-technique-rust/
http://www.scratchmod.com/index.html

Thanks guys, I'll check them out.

These are quite bad, but you see the different stuff I've been experimenting with...

I like the one on the left, but it's just too much of the patches. I think more of the rust color, and less of the chipped spots would work great.

Well, looking at real rust pics, I think I've got all the colors I need, but yeah, the patterns are all wrong..also the dark shadow lines don't show up unless there is paint peeling. I'll get it eventually

Best part is though, that you now have a great technique for camouflage pattern

Haha...so it isn't just me that thinks of desert Chocolate Chip camo pattern then?

Well gangers have been known to chew on stranger things

Yeah, rust is a tricky thing to paint as the closer you look at pictures of real rust, the more colours you can see that all build up to the final look.

Keep bashing away at it and stop when it looks right.

There is a rust section in my hut tutorial that was pretty much all washes and can be adapted for any colour of rust you want. Peeling paint, however, I can't really help you with.

I just re-basecoated, we shall see...

wow that's blurry

 dsteingass wrote:
I just re-basecoated, we shall see...

wow that's blurry

had to check and make sure my glasses were on for a second.

What color brown is that as your base color?

Vallejo air Rust 71.080

Sorry bout that

Ahhhh so that's what Air rust looks like! I just bought some hoping to use it through my ZM build :-) looks like I made a good choice it seems!

There are two Vallejo air rust colors. The other one is more metallic. I haven't really figured out how to use that one yet. This one I really like, and I need to pick up some more.

Checked the local big lot stores for your ghost busters figures, they don't have any at all. Also looked at another thrift shop for cool stuff, nothing good there.

Thanks..I hate it when shopping trips come up bust.....

looks like my Rust is the more metallic of them Dave, I'm considering using this for my floors and having a dark olive style green for the walls? just for something different! what say you Bottom?

well the day wasn't a total waste...I got the airbrush working.

 dsteingass wrote:
Thanks guys, I'll check them out.

These are quite bad, but you see the different stuff I've been experimenting with...

well... i actually thought the pattern of random rust (of course differently colored) on the right and middle looked better...

and i agree... it reminds me a bit of choclate chips too

Seems dave forgot my paint over salt technique I did to exhaust pipes on my tanks

I just can't control the salt technique

 dsteingass wrote:
I just can't control the salt technique

an alternative for ez texturing (using a brush is fine grit (such as very fine sand) mixed into a light paste with a paint then applied by stippling motions of an old brush. its easy to over do so just pre paint the spots where you want texture with an alternate color of paint (different from the "base" color) to mark where you want the textures to be. splop it on the marked spots then base coat and weather as normal after it dries. I inadvertantly did that with a few of my nurgle tanks and it gave a wonderful "crusty" rust texture.

I use that salt technique to them scrape at the salt and pull the color off so as to expose the other color, like tin bitz under gunmetal, and then add light vomit brown touches to get that orangey rust effect

Caesar sure is dumb isn't he!

I knew I didn't trust him for a reason...

Have you considered using powders or pigments for the rust Dave?

I've used them a bit myself, but not alot, I need to learn how to use them better; but they can get a nice effect

Yes..I have many of them. They are one of my most favorite tools. I just don't know how to use their full potential yet.

Oh I don't either, I can't help you there

But you'll only get better by practice, right?

Yep, Ceasar has shown his ignorance for the mighty rivet! Therefore, he must be slain by my mighty technology!

By the way...where do I find that freak and how do I get there? I ve discovered the area almost completely... And once I pacified the whole legions headquarter in one swift move... But that fella still is missed in my to do list...

aaaavik.. you've got to go extreme SW to get to Cottonwood cove-

from there you can be invited (to infilitrate The Legion) or just go in there with Boone(he'll fire on Legion on-sight) all armored-up and up-gunned at about level 20 or depending on how you're specced out.
From there you take a raft up-river to The Fort.

Caesar is in the tallest tent on the tallest hill in the Fort (it's also where you get your army of upgraded robots for the big war). You can play all sides against each other up until a certain point. but killing Caesar doesn't matter much in the end. You just get more XP from doing all the faction quests. You'll want to do all the DLCs before starting the fight at Hoover Dam though..that's the end, and no "2 weeks later" like in Fallout 3)

Anybody here use Dawn Power Dissolver on plastic models to strip them? I've heard it can be used, but I need more detail.

The fort I knew... But I didn't find the headhoncho there... But thanks for the screenshots. I will try it tomorrow. Atm I am traveling with that brotherhood chick... She is a strong tank for sure...

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
The fort I knew... But I didn't find the headhoncho there... But thanks for the screenshots. I will try it tomorrow. Atm I am traveling with that brotherhood chick... She is a strong tank for sure...

Ceasar is in a major army tent at the center of the fort at the top, on a small hill at the peak.

Ah... That's a good hint! Now I have all info for giving Caesar his long due whooping...

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
Ah... That's a good hint! Now I have all info for giving Caesar his long due whooping...

Tear him and his dozen body guards a new one Vik!

Lol that sounds like a plan I will enjoy!!! The first time I went at them with my doggie and Boone ...and with a backpack full of 40mm grenades... You never saw so many flying corpses...

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
Lol that sounds like a plan I will enjoy!!! The first time I went at them with my doggie and Boone ...and with a backpack full of 40mm grenades... You never saw so many flying corpses...

Sounds good! I was blowing their heads off with the gov't pistol. Oh and I have german camo influenced space ships

I just had a look there... Funny thing, while I too havetthe gov. I haven't fired a single round from it yet... Is it Amy good?

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
I just had a look there... Funny thing, while I too havetthe gov. I haven't fired a single round from it yet... Is it Amy good?

Head shots are one bullet per kill, bloody mess

I've been using the M1 (Battle Rifle GRA) Love the "PING" and the Riot Shotgun (200+ DPS) this time through. The riot Shotgun is semi-automatic, but it's as fast as you can click...very bloody! I just ran Veronica through her side quests too to get power armor, she is a quite effective tank!

Use 'Simple Green' to strip all minis.

I've killed pretty much everything and everyone with the abelarde kids bb gun. If it's backed up by the right sniping skills, you can kill everything in one crit. Deathclaw? Ping, splat! Brotherhood in power armour? Ping, ping, ping, splat!
Dominating everything with a completeley silent weapon, that has a 100 shot capacity, easily producable ammo and costs very few AP, got so boring I only made it to the end of the game to see what happens story-wise.
Now back to the painting tables, gentlemen...

I never realised how good the BB was, it always just seemed like a toy.

BB gun of doom! I also love the M-1 Garand in the game, I have the named one so occassionally buy a GRA battlerifle to fix it.

 Briancj wrote:
Use 'Simple Green' to strip all minis.

I tried some Dawn Power Dissolver last night on an old plastic marine. What I'd seen online recommended leaving it for 2 hours. I fell asleep and left it overnight. About... 12 hours. I took the ol' electric toothbrush to it, and the paint came right off. Even the black Testor's spray paint I had used as primer. Not all of it. But much more than the Simple Green which has been soaking for almost two weeks. And the Simple Green does not get off the black spray coat.

From what I see online, barring buying an ultrasonic cleaner, this seems to be my best option right now for quickly stripping models. I'll have to make sure I wash them up good after getting all the paint off though. And I may spray this one again because I missed some areas on the underside of the model.

I've used simple green before with good luck myself. For metal minis though, I've found that a wire wheel and a dremel work best.

Shas..I just looked up "This Machine kills Commies"- It seems I need to see If I can still complete that quest. Funny how it is a nod to Woody Guthrie's Guitars

Amazing how many of the named weapons can be researched and found a root for their names eh?

I recommend glanding some turbo when you go to kill Caesar cos his body guard are v fast. In fact I took all the drugs just to be sure... It was like I was in the matrix.

Turbo/jet/psycho/Med-x/ and have all the stimpaks and doctor kits and hydra ready for fixing yourself up.

Boone and I greased Ceasar and the whole camp yesterday. It seems like killing him should have a bigger impact on the world than it does...I just finished "Old World Blues" It had a serious note to it (along with plenty of silly), it explained why there are some advanced techs along with 1950's tech. Is it "The Lonesome road" that changes parts of the Wasteland map once you're done? (IE Nuke the NCR and that "The long 15" area opens up south of the Ranger camp?

In Lonesome road, if you want, you can launch a Nuke at one of the major factions, or decide to leave folks be as they are, but you find out that the one place near Primm is now open. That spot with the piled up wreckage and debris is marked "Courier 6 you can go home now" or whatever. the spot up between the and just behind the Republic Camp near Primm

Ahh I see..Just read the Wiki...The two locations, Dry Wells and The long 15 open up IF you decide to nuke Ceasar's LEgion and/or the NCR. I've played Lonesome Road before, but I opted to not nuke anyone..who knew? Basically all you get a set of Power Armor ,a Grenade Rifle, and other loot from both places.

I just finished NV..again....It just leaves you wanting MORE...and there just ISN'T another game out there like it..well Skyrim...but that doesn't really count, since it's the same engine but missing the guns and rads


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oh!...I just found a couple of mods for FO:3
A World of Pain http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/17965/?
Which adds 50+ new hardcore locations and quests to the map (brilliantly I might add, you walk through Springvale and there in the middle of the street is a manhole..after playing NV- you just think it was always there) Adds some hardcore enemies, companions, and trapped locations too.
I went to the Enclave Research building (next to the Capitol building now- previously just another edge rubble building) The light is low, and there is a tripwire, which starts a chain-reaction of mines and ultimately detonates the reactor of a motorcycle in there which kills Charron. Once I figured my way through that mess, there are at least two NAMED Super Mutant overlords/masters that are tough as balls to kill. Charron died many, many times before I realized I just wasn't leveled/geared up enough yet..poor Ghoul!

DC Interiors http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/5573/?
Makes a bunch of the boarded-up or otherwise inaccessible buildings explorable.

There is also one that adds a NV style Hardcore survival mode. I'm not sure I want that..still could give some inspiration and get my Fallout fix while waiting on the next game...

Wow, if I knew what all that meant yet I'd be excited :-) but somehow even though I have no clue until November (when i get the system and games) Dave, you manage to convey something that holds my interest and makes me want to be there checking that world out and hopefully getting some corridor and interior inspiration for my ZM, IF after I start playing it I ever come back to 40k!!!

Oh Fallout on a playstation or X-box does not get to addd so many cool mods, on the PC version you can, and there was a couple of mods that allowed Tau gundrones as companions(One guy had like 15 with him, he was lazy, just shoot once at a target, let the drones do the work).

The ones I liked were the Bolter, Marine powered armor, and Terminator armor mods.

Got online and played me some spehss Muhreen again finally! I am pretty lethal before getting over mobbed by Orks and die. Jump-pack and T-hammer for the doom!

nerdfest09 wrote:Wow, if I knew what all that meant yet I'd be excited :-)

Damo sounded like Yes Man there

Yes-Man is the robot programmed to only agree with you at all times

shasolenzabi wrote:Oh Fallout on a playstation or X-box does not get to addd so many cool mods, on the PC version you can, and there was a couple of mods that allowed Tau gundrones as companions(One guy had like 15 with him, he was lazy, just shoot once at a target, let the drones do the work).

The ones I liked were the Bolter, Marine powered armor, and Terminator armor mods.

Got online and played me some spehss Muhreen again finally! I am pretty lethal before getting over mobbed by Orks and die. Jump-pack and T-hammer for the doom!

See, I purposely avoid any add-ons or mods that take it out of the lore.
I bought Space Marine for PS3..I can't aim with the damn stick, so I kept dying and it lost it's fun. The analog stick seems counter-intuitive to me. I'm sure I could get it if I tried hard enough.

I used to run the biggest gaming clan around for Space Marine and even I thought the game sucked. It's brilliant fun if you have a nice group to play with but the game itself was badly constructed and barely supported.

...Pretty good representation of 40k actually. I kid, I kid.

I liked it, I just couldn't master the kill so many things nearly at once to fill up your health thing. I really do just like the stimpack/medkit model most games use to replenish health.

Stimpacks are your best friends!

I avoid gaming at all costs, far too addictive. Takes you away from what's really important, things like modelling. I have lost weeks, months and on one occasion years to the devils own work that is electronic gaming. With it's shiny screens and dazzling graphics, luring grown men to there deaths, with the inevitable controller flying across the room. Or the £50 mouse of doom that given enough time wears away your wrist. Yes I have a callus on the point of my wrist from mouse action, and at least one keyboard with blank spaces where WASD used to be. And sleep deprivation from gaming online with people from 4 different time zones at once. Watching your friends run off into the distance and fly off a cliff because they fell asleep with their head on the keyboard. It took years of training to break myself away, to find a place of solitude, a place were people of a kindred spirit, people who know about real things, like modelling, could talk freely and be beyond the evil menace of console, or worse gaming PC. But even here I find it, taking the life from my new friends, truly great men who model, crippled by the worst evil to have ever been brought forward from the hells pit that is Bethesda, FALLOUT 3, NEW VEGAS. Curse it's name.

I'm with you Cam - PC / console gaming is way too addictive. Over years of misuse, FPS now make me feel like I have motion sickness after 10-15mins of playing so I avoid them like the plague, whereas the Football (soccer) Manager type just eat away at my life. I'll stick with the odd game of Solitaire and Crazy Birds on my Samsung Galaxy - and only when I'm in a particularly boring meeting...

It's sad to see so many of our Dakka mates sucked in and not spending time making models

Amen brothers shout it from the rooftops . I play bloodbowl on steam and candy crush when really bored. Otherwise no computer games here. I would be sucked in. I missed an entire Super Bowl while playing Doom years ago. I've seen friends fired because they fell asleep at work from playing mmo games all night. I can't allow myself even a try at them.

HAHAHA! Cam! That is truly brilliant wordsmithing!

My Fallout marathon is over for now, spending the evening watching Evil Dead 1 and 2

I really am LMAO Cam