Still no warrior renders, and if the praetorian and drone sculpts are anything to go by, well Prodos will certainly get their own section in my upcoming epic, "What could have been".
bubber wrote: Passed $260k & 1500 backers.
May reach $290k & 2000 at this rate. Good day.
We got almost 100 people today. Even if we get that over the next two days, it'll still be 300 people short.
But with 20k a day, the Queen will be in reach.
Bolognesus wrote: Simply put, the percentage of the lower pledge level given in freebies is higher than the percentage of the higher cost to the more expensive pledge levels given in *more* freebies. That about sum it up idiot-proof?
But as noted you get a lot of duplicates and less variety right? And you miss out on freebies too.
RiTides wrote: Oh I agree, I'm just saying it's possible to persevere and get an answer. The fans will attack in any comments section if you press too hard, but I really appreciate finally having an answer on that due to Jake's efforts
Oh I agree too, I just don't think I have the energy for that. It's a completely legitimate question and even more so since they even included that stretch to calculate the savings that are listed - BEFORE the goal was reached. Yes it's a bit morbid that it's about a baby, but Prodos made that stretch I can see how it must've sounded cool to have a bunch of fans cheering for your baby...
Does anyone know if you up your pledge on these can you use the extra money to buy add-ons
For example if I've got the £275 Payback time reward and I bump my pledge to £300 - can I use the £25 extra to purchase more add-ons?
I want to get a few more add-ons but can't work out the best way of doing it - some people seem to have gone for 3 x lower rewards but I can't find that option on there (or do you pledge 3 times????)
You specify what you want after the KS... So if you want 3x pledges you just add the funds and specify which when the survey is sent out... There are a couple of pledge calculators out, but if you just want to see what gives you more value, I think you should have a gander at my pledge comparsion thingy
For the life of me I cannot figure out the chart. I'm in at chopper but according to the chart it's the worse deal at 40%? I was surprised because I get the extra freebies at this level...god I wish I was savy on these types of things...but I'm old..so I'm not.
HANG ON! If we assume we pass all stretches except the 2000 backers stretch - CHOPPER will be valued at £468 while 1x"PIPE"+ 2x"LOOKING GOOD" at the same price will be valued £495.
You will get a bit less choice perhaps, but the total of freebies and other stuff will give you a higher discount.
You can see the results by following the grey column down to the 2000 backers stretchgoal and changing the 10 to a "0" - then you can see what all the pledges will look like in the orange "all stretches discount" and "all stretches total" fields.... I hope that helps
I see now. At this selection 1x"PIPE"+ 2x"LOOKING GOOD" I'd end up with more free huggers at 15.. and going left to right on the chart I'd get 3X free addons.. 3X Berserker models? 3X Free models, 3X royal guard correct? and have 210.00 to spend on addons..did I get this right?
You miss out on a 15 quid credit freebie but get 20 or so in credit freebies instead, hmm, doesn't sound like a bad deal.
Yup, the boxes have somewhat less stick-together-and-go poseability, but it's a resin compound, so converting isn't all that hard anyway. It's a balancing act, bit of a matter of preference really
Ktulhut wrote: but this late in the game it seems like several of you are stroking your egos by continuing the argument more than anything else. I get that this is the internet and everyone feels entitled to be vocal about anything, but a lot of this seems pretty futile at this point, and I wonder how much of it is pride now?
It's not too late to convince Prodos they are making a huge mistake on certain things (like the feet, their rules, the exclusivity and prices of the add ons, the contents of the eventual retail box, etc.). After all, "Remember this is a KS with a 6 month lead time. That 6 months will result in the clarity "
So, they have 6 months to finally figure out what they are doing with all of your money...and to try to earn all of my money at the retail stage.
I like the way you guys think. Thanks for taking the time to explain I really appreciate it. Should I switch my choices around now or wait and see what else comes along because I don't see Chopper getting any better really. Do you?
I don't think any option is objectively 'the best'; rather, figure out where your priorities lie and spend there. We can't help you figure out what works best for you unless you have some very specific priorities you could post
Can't tell you what to do, but I personally I am going for a lower pledge for now and depending on what happens after the KS is over, I will probably add another pledge on top for choices.
I am very keen on the warriors, but if I don't see them first I am not going crazy. I am personally in it for making dioramas and I want all the iconic stuff like a Queen and powerloader etc. I have most of the stuff as larger scale figure kits in resin and styrene and vinyl kits, but would love this small scale to go nuts with epic scenes from the movie.
Bolognesus wrote: I don't think any option is objectively 'the best'; rather, figure out where your priorities lie and spend there. We can't help you figure out what works best for you unless you have some very specific priorities you could post
Currently at the Chopper pledge level I had selected
1 X Predalien 10.00
1 X Sentry Guns 10.00
2 X Stalker Aliens 30.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (15) total
1 X Colonial Marines 15.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (10) total
1 X Predator Hounds 15.00 and with my Freebie I will have (4) total
3 X Alien Warriors 45.00 and with my freebie I will have (20) total
1 X Young Blood Predators 25.00
1 X Colonial Sergeant 8.00
1 X Rulebook 25.00
And the freebies
9 Huggers
Free Addon *I chose Alien Warriors at 15.00
Free Berserker
Free Model *I chose Hellhounds at 15.00
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers total of (19)
Bolognesus wrote: I don't think any option is objectively 'the best'; rather, figure out where your priorities lie and spend there. We can't help you figure out what works best for you unless you have some very specific priorities you could post
Currently at the Chopper pledge level I had selected
1 X Predalien 10.00
1 X Sentry Guns 10.00
2 X Stalker Aliens 30.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (15) total
1 X Colonial Marines 15.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (10) total
1 X Predator Hounds 15.00 and with my Freebie I will have (4) total
3 X Alien Warriors 45.00 and with my freebie I will have (20) total
1 X Young Blood Predators 25.00
1 X Colonial Sergeant 8.00
1 X Rulebook 25.00
And the freebies
9 Huggers
Free Addon *I chose Alien Warriors at 15.00
Free Berserker
Free Model *I chose Hellhounds at 15.00
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers total of (17)
You only get one Hellhound as a freebie, not two. I remember catching that in the comments
Bolognesus wrote: I don't think any option is objectively 'the best'; rather, figure out where your priorities lie and spend there. We can't help you figure out what works best for you unless you have some very specific priorities you could post
Currently at the Chopper pledge level I had selected
1 X Predalien 10.00
1 X Sentry Guns 10.00
2 X Stalker Aliens 30.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (15) total
1 X Colonial Marines 15.00 plus I get an additional (5) in the boxset (10) total
1 X Predator Hounds 15.00 and with my Freebie I will have (4) total
3 X Alien Warriors 45.00 and with my freebie I will have (20) total
1 X Young Blood Predators 25.00
1 X Colonial Sergeant 8.00
1 X Rulebook 25.00
And the freebies
9 Huggers
Free Addon *I chose Alien Warriors at 15.00
Free Berserker
Free Model *I chose Hellhounds at 15.00
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers
Free 10.00 Addon * I chose Huggers total of (17)
You only get one Hellhound as a freebie, not two. I remember catching that in the comments
If you're happy with getting that stuff I'd say you're fine at that level. not really a better way to get there, IMO.
Personally, I want extra preds, lots of infant aliens (that's the upright ones, right?) *and* a bunch of extra marines and I'm fine with converting the box versions. getting an extra box is a no-brainer for me.
All you have as addons you could get from a second pledge @ we're in the pipe are the stalker aliens and the huggers. You could get another of the alien warrior units with the free addon but even then you're just getting stuff you potentially don't want cheap, not 'free with extras' as in my case.
...Oh free model gives *one* alien hound, not two. You're at three total, this way around. Just saying
Bolognesus wrote: If you're happy with getting that stuff I'd say you're fine at that level. not really a better way to get there, IMO.
Personally, I want extra preds, lots of infant aliens (that's the upright ones, right?) *and* a bunch of extra marines and I'm fine with converting the box versions. getting an extra box is a no-brainer for me.
All you have as addons you could get from a second pledge @ we're in the pipe are the stalker aliens and the huggers. You could get another of the alien warrior units with the free addon but even then you're just getting stuff you potentially don't want cheap, not 'free with extras' as in my case.
...Oh free model gives *one* alien hound, not two. You're at three total, this way around. Just saying
I really just want the best value for our declining US buck . I want the box game and as many figures as I can get. I want Aliens and lots of them for what I can get.
warboss wrote: @RiTides: Did you ever btw add AVP (the first one) to your movie watch marathon? I'm curious to see what a fresh take on all the movies thinks of it. Much like Starship Troopers (first one again), it's a guilty pleasure of mine no matter what the general consensus is.
Bolognesus wrote: What's the issue with the praetorian? The price feels kinda stiff but it looks pretty nice IMO...
Still missing out on the 'Giger' (biomechnical) factor, which Prodos seem to have avoided like small pox.
I'm curious about whether that has been instituted by Fox, since the Alien designs have been made very organic in the last 4 or 5 movies in the franchise (A:R to Prometheus).
Lots of aliens in the box set, bunch of preds to go along can never hurt, I'd say.
Look at it this way, 10 infants, 5 stalkers and a praetorian is 65 quid in add-on value already, then there's the 'free model' and 'free unit' choices (so that's warriors for the unit and you're at eighty quid in aliens add-on value already) and all the other stuff is an added bonus.
I'm going for lots of aliens, and I'll be getting two base boxes almost certainly. All it takes is a little more cutting and greenstuffing - I can live with that...
That's probably right, Andilus, since all of this is getting approved by Fox, to the point they're thinning the chest on the excellent PredAlien sculpt.
Give up on the biomechanics, you can guarentee that Fox market research has shown it confuses viewers. "It looks like it's part robot, I thought it was an alien, not a robot. Is it a robot? Where's Will Smith? This movie is confusing, I don't like it."
emperorpenguin wrote: Pulled my pledge, still no rules beta, few renders. Have been very disappointed in this KS
That's unfortunate... luckily I'm in it for the models, if the game itself is awesome then that's a major bonus. Even if it sucks, I imagine I could have a lot of fun homebrewing a ruleset. In any case though, from what we've heard of the rules it sounds quite fun. The lack of renders/clear communication is certainly unfortunate, but not a major turn off for me. Anyway, too each their own. Check in here when the game releases and we'll let you know how it is and if you should pick it up at retail.
Putting everything down on paper I can really see the value. If I follow your advice and move from Chopper to 1XWe're in the Pipe and 2X Looking Good there boss, I end up getting 1 extra Berserker, 2 extra Royal Guard *270k freebie* and 6 extra Huggers. That's incredible! I can still get everything I want and use the freebie addon to soak up the Alien Warriors box sets at 15.00per. Brilliant!
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bubber wrote: Forlon - had to re-read this. Thought you were out too!
Joyboozer wrote: Give up on the biomechanics, you can guarentee that Fox market research has shown it confuses viewers. "It looks like it's part robot, I thought it was an alien, not a robot. Is it a robot? Where's Will Smith? This movie is confusing, I don't like it."
Couldn't agree more. Geiger can suck it for all I care. I can't say I ever saw some of the aliens in AVP and thought they didn't look like aliens.
They said rules wouldn't be out till the kickstarter was over I'm pretty sure so pulling out cause of that doesn't really make any since to me. Renders and such well those things are not ready yet as the game still has a few months to go before it's released so they're probably still in planning stage and getting approval by FOX.
The rules don't really matter, there are plenty of gaming rulesets out there that could easily be adapted, or I can make up my own.
The models on the other hand, are what attract me to this.
Now, from what I've heard from the open day, the rules are fairly good for a beta product, so I'm not too worried on that score.
I'd like to see more renders of the actual models, but again, I'm impressed by what I've seen so far.
CONCEPT! Model will be supplied on a 80mm Base and will be approx 120mm high. (1 Model supplied)
The Queen will be unlocked when we reach £290000 and can be added to your Pledge for £35
£270k has been passed... Free Praetorian unlocked
Now on to the final push - 37 hours to do £20k and 450 backers...
I've asked Prodos to make more regular updates to their Facebook page as they had a 6 day gap before the last update 17 hours ago - they really need to hit that particular audience and keep them informed (6.000 likes, but only 1,500 backers for the KS...)
Forlorn wrote: Putting everything down on paper I can really see the value. If I follow your advice and move from Chopper to 1XWe're in the Pipe and 2X Looking Good there boss, I end up getting 1 extra Berserker, 2 extra Royal Guard *270k freebie* and 6 extra Huggers. That's incredible! I can still get everything I want and use the freebie addon to soak up the Alien Warriors box sets at 15.00per. Brilliant!
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bubber wrote: Forlon - had to re-read this. Thought you were out too!
No sir! I am in!!!
Happy to help
As a side note, do we know for sure if we can up our pledge (to include more pledges) after the KS via pledge manager?
I want both "Real Aliens" and "You want a piece of me", but can afford only one of these atm. Is it possible to pledge "You want a piece of me" now and add RA in post-KS by paying an additional £155?
If so, do i get all credits and bonuses from the 2nd pledge aswell, as if I would have paid all right now?
Hmm, I had pretty much written off the 2000 backers reward, but it's looking like a real possibility now (just over 400 backers to go). I had 15GBP to play around with, but if we get that then I'll have to figure out what to do with 25GBP... maybe some Predator Youngbloods because I'm gonna have plenty of Aliens and Marines.
Forlorn wrote: Putting everything down on paper I can really see the value. If I follow your advice and move from Chopper to 1XWe're in the Pipe and 2X Looking Good there boss, I end up getting 1 extra Berserker, 2 extra Royal Guard *270k freebie* and 6 extra Huggers. That's incredible! I can still get everything I want and use the freebie addon to soak up the Alien Warriors box sets at 15.00per. Brilliant!
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bubber wrote: Forlon - had to re-read this. Thought you were out too!
No sir! I am in!!!
Happy to help
As a side note, do we know for sure if we can up our pledge (to include more pledges) after the KS via pledge manager?
From the FAQ
How do I multi pledge?
Pledge for the highest single pledge you want and then add the extra £ for the others. We will then define via the pledge manager at the end of the KS
Do I get the extra Add-ons per box or per pledge?
All add ons are per pledge, so if you have pledged at 'We're in the Pipe' level or higher you get 1 of each free add-on included. Except free Facehuggers which are per box.
Can I pledge for more than one level and how much is the postage?
Yes you can, we will collect the information when the questionnaire goes out and £10 no matter how many pledge levels you go for
*Generic monster feet and hands*
*Render isn't showing off too much of the body*
*Render looks pretty poor overall, like the other aliens lacking in key details*
*Still no giger stuff*
Jesus Prodos how hard is it not to feth this up? This is worse than bloody Colonial marines at this point.
As they're running everything past Fox before they're allowed to show it, maybe you should take up your case with them! Prodos certainly isn't making the calls on the final features of the models, it's Fox doing so.
Personally I really like the Queen concept so far, but I do hope to see a bit more detail added for the final version.
Yeah, the queen looks like it's a go. If today's new bidder tally is double yesterdays and tomorrow's is double today's then the 2000 pledger stretch goal might be reached.. but that is a big bunch of "if". If tomorrow evening 2000 pledgers looks like a reality, I'll redo my value math with the royal guard and whatever the 2k pledger goal is (can't remember anymore) to see how much it has improved at the 75 GBP level from the relatively small 27% discount is was for the past week.
While I'd argue with anyone (and have) that the campaign is indeed a success, I'd also state that I feel like it should have been much more. Less than 500K for two of the biggest movie franchises of the 80's and scifi/action classics? New IPs based on nothing more than concept art have generated substantially more. In the end, I'll make the final decision not based on any comments from Prodos but rather their actions. I went from being willing to spend up to $200 on this kickstarter to being relatively content just buying a female predator and maybe a couple of marines at my local store to go along with my AVP clix.
I think criticism at this point speaks to a strong sense of disappointment rather than ego stroking. As a general rule, there's no call to explain people's behavior in an insulting way if there is also a reasonable way to explain it. On the other hand, the rhetoric is a bit too hot ITT.
Some truth there.
I dropped out a little while ago, mainly because of the lack of direction, and feel of this kickstarter, its never really for me had either the wow factor or a sense of were its going,is t a wargame, board game or something in between 'I.e. deadzone'
Its not about freebies, though if you want backers its nice to have incentive like just for the backers, but what you had on offer was basic figure ranges of what you would expect and that's it.With other companies really hitting this, take for example Heroquest, it draws you in and has a draw with images and concepts, or Mantic who offer a lot of if we make it this far this is what we can do, but with serious backing we will offer all these for either backers or to buy for those who back us. Even if you never make it to XXIV it shows that you have a certain level of long term thinking for the project.
The license is another issue, if Prodos has 'And will' have conditions attached then putting this out in terms of FAQ - we have stipulations of what we can show you backers for key ranges. As adults we can understand this and it shows levels of trust and community support from Prodos, 'imagine' afilm company saying we are releasing a new film and its a sci-fi, but we cannot tell you who's in it or show clips or any thing about it, apart from these references from other films. Its sounding a little crazy and is... But if we had been given a little more feed back then it shows that Prodos understands from thee point of being a gamer.
I appreciate that you need some capital to sort out sculptors and artists, but we have no real point of defence with anything really and this matters, ok so we don't get characters from films, however, this is a chance for Prodos to put there stamp on the whole of th4e AvP universe, ok some will want film prop characters, but there's enough fluff and previous work inc comics and graphic novels to create some great stuff. The boards looks naff, nothing really stands up and screams innovative and attractive, from spaceship designs to labs and habitats.
One thing that really left me feeling flat was the lack of drive with this whole project it felt that Prodos had this great project and was just another job, no real passion. no excitement to build up to a great project just its a boxed game and if you want it, you can get it net year.
Just picked this up from an email from here :http://www.quora.com/Kickstarter/What-are-some-secrets-or-not-so-obvious-tips-to-running-a-successful-Kickstarter-project/answer/Ayeh-Bandeh-Ahmadi
And one feels its relevant.
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Ayeh Bandeh-Ahmadi, Previously studied what makes projects successful at Kickstarter.
Votes by Ernie Bornheimer, Jonathan Sundqvist, Marc C. Lange, Tommy Chheng, and 25 more.
I've recently been advising a friend's campaign on Kickstarter, so here is a summary of the advice I've given him about telling his story, choosing a good goal and rewards, developing a project video, and reaching out to press and on social media. Some of this will certainly be more obvious than the rest but I think the interesting bits are in the details.
First, help people understand your angle on the project: highlight why you're passionate about your project, what inspired it, what you hope backers and others will take away from the project, what personal experiences motivated it and why you chose to put the project on Kickstarter rather than pursuing more traditional funding routes for whatever you are doing. Also, tell people why you or your team are qualified to deliver the project. This could mean explaining why being a newbie to something helps you bring a valuable new perspective or describing how you've produced similar projects in the past and have working prototypes and agreements in place with printers/manufacturers. Finally, think about how you hope supporters will contribute to the project (sharing stories, giving input, telling their friends, reading updates every couple weeks, contributing artistically, and don't forget backing...). By setting expectations early on of your vision and the type of creative control you want to keep and share, you'll get the most out of the crowd of supporters you're going to build and reduce the burden of having to manage a crowd's expectations later on while you also work to deliver. This is key, as some of the most wildly successful project creators joke that having a massively successful project (with all the Q&A and interested parties that result) was the "worst" part of being successful. It will also help you focus conversations with others around how they can get involved rather than asking for donations.
Second, choose a goal that's realistic and invest time in brainstorming rewards that get your friends and friends of friends excited. Women creators tend to set substantially lower goals than men but their projects are also more likely to be successful. Make sure you ask friends and strangers for feedback on rewards before you launch your project then listen to it. Rewards around the $25, $75 and $50 points are especially popular, but each reward also needs to be a good value. Offering a reward at the $5 and/or $10 level helps people with a weak appreciation for what you're doing get involved and feel like stakeholders too. Projects with smaller goals (those under $1K-5K) have a several times higher rate of success, although Kickstarter has had its share of carefully planned projects that became blockbusters too. After gathering feedback, multiply out a conservative estimate of how much you expect to raise from each reward net of costs to make sure your goal is reasonable. Don't skip that reality check; it really helps to put things in perspective!
As you brainstorm rewards, choose ones that you won't feel too burdened to produce and distribute if you're successful. Think about creating experiences (an online chat, a wrap party, or drinks with the cast from a movie or dance performance) where you can have personal interactions with a largish number of people without a lot of additional work. Offer to name a character of a backer's choosing, write a dance to a song they choose, or something equally personal for large backings if that doesn't infringe on the creative control you want to retain. Enlist friends who believe in the project to help you contribute or disseminate rewards. Ask a friend who throws great parties to arrange one for some of your backers or ask an artist friend to contribute original, appealing artwork for postcards or posters rather than using an impersonal logo or faceshots of actors as giveaways. Structure your rewards list so that a backer doesn't suffer "analysis paralysis." It should be quickly obvious to someone what level they want to give at, or at worst a backer should consider backing at one level and be tempted by the next one up. On Kickstarter, backers can change or cancel their pledge and reward level anytime through the end of a project; however, they can only choose one reward tier. The only way around this currently is for a backer to create more than one Kickstarter account, which can be annoying. So structure reward levels so they include everything substantial that you are offering at lower reward levels rather than rewards that someone may want to mix and match. If you're thinking of offering swag like T-shirts and tote bags, this advice is especially relevant; while you don't have to offer a T-shirt, tote bag, sticker, *and* poster for the highest level rewards, make sure each tier is substantially more desirable for your audience than the one below it. And even better is if your rewards go beyond just swag with your logo on it.
Third, invest time in developing a concise project video. The video should show you as the creator and its content should focus on addressing the questions from the first paragraph above through show and tell. A lot of creative people are very camera shy, but it helps backers connect with the project to see you and your authentic style, even if it is clumsy and a bit shy. If you are really, really shy, consider appearing for ten seconds then contributing some voice over or photos of you that is project-relevant. Keep the video short, around two minutes, I would say. Remember that backers might also view/discover the video from the Kickstarter category/location pages where they won't have the benefit of seeing the rest of your project page. You'd be surprised how many successful projects' backings come from strangers or people halfway across the country or world from the creator. Since a lot of folks quickly browse through many videos on Kickstarter and many don't make it past the first minute, you really need to make a compelling case from the outset (first 10-20 seconds) and pace it to keep a viewer's interest. Kickstarter has a nifty creator stats panel that lets you track how many views there have been of your video and how many of these views made it all the way to the end. To get the most of these stats, you'll want to cut out any silence or pause at the end of your video; otherwise, if most viewers click "stop" a second before the video is over you won't realize how many actually finished it.
Fourth, invest time in building your social network on facebook and twitter to engage people who might support you for one reason or another ahead of launching your project, the further in advance the better. I remember hearing there was one seventy year-oldish creator who nervously created a facebook account for the first time to get the word out about his Kickstarter and it helped his success immensely. Remember that bit about projects by women creators having a greater likelihood of success? Well, turns out this may be because women are better networkers. They get a larger share of their backers and funding from their facebook and twitter networks than men do. So, spend some time thinking about ways to make your friends and contacts feel like stakeholders in the project, by giving them credit for their help and recognizing their efforts, so that they can explain why they believe in the projects as they reach out to their networks. Use the carrot not the stick; if your friends are sharing your project out of obligation or guilt, that's a bad sign that you haven't made a compelling case for why audiences should support you. At Kickstarter, we discussed anecdotally how it seems like an early indication of a project that is going to be successful is that not only do the creator's friends share it on facebook but their friends of friends share it too. So coming up with a compelling case for why someone who doesn't know you would get excited enough that they would reach out to their network is key, and iterating on feedback about that early on will help you refine your message. If you don't have that, you may not be ready to do a big Kickstarter project.
Likewise, be thoughtful about getting the word out to press, especially local press or bloggers whose audience might genuinely be interested in your project. If you are doing a really small project and believe you can raise enough funding through your immediate friends, then maybe you don't need to reach out to press at all. Otherwise, press will often want two weeks of lead time and a news story, which ideally might be your launch. Focus on on addressing the questions in the first paragraph above in an email or press release and explain any current news items that may relate to your project. Do not spam people or press though -- not only can it get your Kickstarter project cancelled (see Kickstarter's guidelines) but if you're having to guilt or pressure press/people to cover your story, that's a good sign that your project isn't as compelling to others as you hoped and that you may need to go back to the drawing board. By this I mean don't send unsolicited messages to people you don't know, unless it is press or bloggers who are in the business of covering stories like yours. When reaching out to press and bloggers, explain why you think they and their readership might take an interest in your story and make it clear that you've read their work; never reach out more than once unless you receive a specific request for more information.
other stuff... Throughout your project, provide updates when there is something new and meaningful to post about and not more. A Q&A with you the creator or other substantial updates often result in visible jumps in projects' trajectories while empty updates cause your audience to lose interest. Set expectations about how often your backers should expect to hear from you. Post FAQs rather than feeling like you have to personally respond to each backer unless there is a compelling reason to do so. A lot of project creators reach out to the Kickstarter team with funny and sometimes scary requests to get listed as a featured project. It doesn't work, so my advice is don't do it. Also, don't stalk the Kickstarter staff. The Kickstarter team sees each and every project that comes through and they select for creative projects that appeal to the tastes they've developed; you won't influence it by sending cupcakes, cookies, or glitter and you are also likely to turn them off.
There's certainly much more to say about successfully completing and delivering on a project, including reaching out to others who have worked on a similar project (on or off Kickstarter) to make sure you anticipate and plan for obstacles and delays in advance. But I'll just end with this: remember that Kickstarter is a platform for creative projects, so some crowdfunding projects are a better fit for the site than others. If you have a business you are trying to kickstart, a large number of products you're looking for a platform to sell on, if you're guilting people or pulling on heartstrings to get your project funded, or just haven't yet put together a compelling case for backers, you might want to rethink your strategy before posting and investing a great deal of time into a project on the site.
Agreed Jake, although they finally did update the FAQ, thank goodness. Better late than never! Still doesn't address rules much, but answers most pledge questions at least.
RiTides wrote: Still doesn't address rules much, but answers most pledge questions at least.
A solid looking set of rules for both the boardgame and the wargame is what could have gotten me to pledge instead of waiting for retail. The figures look cool and all, but I am more interested in how they function and interact with each other and whether or not the game captures the atmosphere of the properties.
That makes perfect sense, Visceral. I'm in the opposite boat in that I want the Aliens and a nice ruleset would be a bonus . The demo players all sounded like they had a good time, but also pointed out that the rules are definitely in a beta state atm.
I kept a token £1 pledge in just to help the numbers.
I may not like this project, but I think its only right that the backers get that freebie.
And if the numbers aren't made, I hope Prodos sees to it that it is provided anyways. If for no other reason than as a token of thanks to the backers for being more tolerant than me of their BS handling of the project.
That's nice of you Hellfury! Honestly, I've considered asking my friend who was pledging for me before I combined my pledges to put £1 back in for the same reason
If you are talking about the 2000 backer bonus I would just drop your pledge.
1. 2k backers is still unlikely and
2. Folks making a £1 pledge and the project not hitting 2k actually increases the cost to Prodos of offering £10 to each backer when the averaged pledged per backer is lowered by the £1 pledges. Increased cost and no 'We promised' = no bonus.
So save your £1, or if it is really spare cash, give it to a decent charity that can use it more than Prodos this time of year.
The 2000 backers goal is just total backers, CptJake, it has nothing to do with the pledge levels of those backers. I'm sure Prodos would prefer folks to stay in at higher pledges, but by keeping in £1 you'll get access to the pledge manager, too, in case things turn out well.
There are only 59 backers at the lowest level, that's not more than normal in campaigns like this (and might actually be less) so it's no big deal.
Right, but he was saying he kept the £1 pledge hoping if we got close but did not hit 2k backers, Prodos would still give the bonus.
If right now 400 new backers @ £1 came in, it would cost Prodos 16000 in £10 bonus to the 1600 real backers. Them getting £400 of the £1 pledges nets them a loss. If folks get 'fake' £1 backers and we don't hit the 2k number, Prodos has less incentive to give the bonus as a result. If it did get the 2k, it is a different story.
But I submit getting to 2k backers is very unlikely at this rate, so he is better off saving his £1.
I really doubt 2k will be hit either, but every person helps. I still think it will see 1750-75 as the highest amount.
And if it does make it to 2k and costs Prodos more because of minimal chipmunk pledges like, then the schadenfreude benefit is there for me.
I do.agree though there are better places to throw money away at, but then again it would be nice if everyone spent their expendable income in such ways other than dollies.
RiTides wrote: As they're running everything past Fox before they're allowed to show it, maybe you should take up your case with them! Prodos certainly isn't making the calls on the final features of the models, it's Fox doing so.
Personally I really like the Queen concept so far, but I do hope to see a bit more detail added for the final version.
Agreed. That said, the Alien models we've seen thus far look much better with paint on them so I'd like to see a painted version...
EPIC. I wanted some Bishop Markers but didn't want to spend money on them... very happy about this turn of events! And Predator ship game tiles? Interesting... I wonder if we can do a swap-out? I'll probably stick with the basic tiles myself. I'm backing the Battlesystems Modular Terrain KS though so I don't really need new tiles anyway.
Just a point of observation, but I find it funny how the WizKids HorrorclixAlien Queen is more.accurate to the movie queen than this proposed mock up.
The dorsal spines are supposed to terminate with a point, not blunt like the rest of the hive. The hands are a HUGE improvement over the clix queen though.
So can you believe it: we have the Queen AND so need some more Stretch Goals:
And yes we mean 'per Backer'!
Choose an faction and you will get 3 markers (so 3 Eggs or 3 Synthetics or 3 Predator Weapons).Choose an faction and you will get 3 markers (so 3 Eggs or 3 Synthetics or 3 Predator Weapons).
This is an unexpected one so much more to follow.This is an unexpected one so much more to follow.
Once again the fan boys in the comments section amaze me.
I see some folks bragging about pledging with another account to get more free 'one per backer' marker sets. So, unless you are UK based, a separate pledge under a different account incurs a £10 shipping fee, and you do that so you can get a £7.5 set of markers 'free'?
I guess IF that got the total pledgers over 2k it pays off...
As for getting folks to pledge £1 who don't really want anything just to get to the 2k pledgers, I can't help but wonder if they all realize that if for example it took 300 £1 pledges to get us there, Prodos pays out 17000 if bonus to the 1700 legitimate pledges. For a bunch of folks who seem to be fans of Prodos, I'm not sure that really shows the love they think it does. It really isn't any worse than the folks who they accuse of trolling when the total hits a stretch goal and then drops below it. In fact it may be worse as it could cost Prodos quite a bit.
Yet, if you have legitimate issues or questions some of these same folks will jump in your gak.
CptJake wrote: Once again the fan boys in the comments section amaze me.
I see some folks bragging about pledging with another account to get more free 'one per backer' marker sets. So, unless you are UK based, a separate pledge under a different account incurs a £10 shipping fee, and you do that so you can get a £7.5 set of markers 'free'?
I guess IF that got the total pledgers over 2k it pays off...
As for getting folks to pledge £1 who don't really want anything just to get to the 2k pledgers, I can't help but wonder if they all realize that if for example it took 300 £1 pledges to get us there, Prodos pays out 17000 if bonus to the 1700 legitimate pledges. For a bunch of folks who seem to be fans of Prodos, I'm not sure that really shows the love they think it does. It really isn't any worse than the folks who they accuse of trolling when the total hits a stretch goal and then drops below it. In fact it may be worse as it could cost Prodos quite a bit.
Yet, if you have legitimate issues or questions some of these same folks will jump in your gak.
You seem very emotionally invested in this, are you monetarily invested also, or just hear to spoil other people's fun?
CptJake wrote: Once again the fan boys in the comments section amaze me.
I see some folks bragging about pledging with another account to get more free 'one per backer' marker sets. So, unless you are UK based, a separate pledge under a different account incurs a £10 shipping fee, and you do that so you can get a £7.5 set of markers 'free'?
I guess IF that got the total pledgers over 2k it pays off...
As for getting folks to pledge £1 who don't really want anything just to get to the 2k pledgers, I can't help but wonder if they all realize that if for example it took 300 £1 pledges to get us there, Prodos pays out 17000 if bonus to the 1700 legitimate pledges. For a bunch of folks who seem to be fans of Prodos, I'm not sure that really shows the love they think it does. It really isn't any worse than the folks who they accuse of trolling when the total hits a stretch goal and then drops below it. In fact it may be worse as it could cost Prodos quite a bit.
Yet, if you have legitimate issues or questions some of these same folks will jump in your gak.
You seem very emotionally invested in this, are you monetarily invested also, or just hear to spoil other people's fun?
Have they collected any money yet? If not, I am just emotionally invested, like all the other pledgers and commenters. By the way, it would be 'here' not 'hear'. If you want to be insulting, at least use the correct word. If reading my comments spoils your fun, I highly suggest hitting the ignore button and or telling the mods about my unruly fun spoiling behavior.
Edit: Just for gaks and giggles, what part of the post you replied to spoiled your fun? The parts where I pointed out folks were hurting Prodos, or the part where I commented on the boorish behavior of the fan boys?
yeah, Finally gave in and decided to back this. I want to pledge less than £250 and get 10 marines plus a whole feth load of aliens plus cloaked versions of the 5 predators (3 plus female & Berserker) So I figure two box games, but it's so confusing. Is it better to double pledge we're in the pipe plus payback or single pledge if it bleeds?
if someone has the time and is familiar with the system can check my working out I'd appreciate it. they look pretty much the same unless i'm missing something?
Spoiler:
Is it better to double pledge we're in the pipe plus payback 2x royal guard (£40) 2x bezerker (£20) 2x free add-on (£30) 2x free model (£20) £60 credit £10 bonus credit -total £180 of stuff plus two copies of game for £200 plus 11 face huggers
single pledge if it bleeds? 1x royal guard (£20) 1x bezerker (£10) 1x free add-on (£15) 1x free model (10) £110 credit £35 bonus credit -total £200 of stuff plus two copies of the game for £210 plus 8 facehuggers
Panic: Someone in the comments section has a really good pledge calculator that will help you figure it out the best price to get what you want. Really it is going to depend on what you want. For example, you say you want 10 marines. If you get two boxes, you get 10, but it is 2 each of 5 poses. If you get 1 box and an 'add on' set of marines, you'll have 10 different marines...
So I don't believe we'll be seeing those Alien Warrior renders until after the KickStarter ends, and if they of the same 'quality' of the Queen, well...
We get the baby bonus. We hit the $$$ goal before the baby was born and Prodos has confirmed we will get the bonus.
No free cloaked Pred. They are 10 each.
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Imposter101 wrote: So I don't believe we'll be seeing those Alien Warrior renders until after the KickStarter ends, and if they of the same 'quality' of the Queen, well...
That is a good point. I would not pledge towards them until you are happy with any renders they show post project, then add funds during the post project period if they will fit your needs.
I'm not going to get stuff I haven't seen and liked, but for the level I am currently pledged at I can fill out my credit with stuff I do like.
CptJake wrote: Once again the fan boys in the comments section amaze me.
I see some folks bragging about pledging with another account to get more free 'one per backer' marker sets. So, unless you are UK based, a separate pledge under a different account incurs a £10 shipping fee, and you do that so you can get a £7.5 set of markers 'free'?
I guess IF that got the total pledgers over 2k it pays off...
As for getting folks to pledge £1 who don't really want anything just to get to the 2k pledgers, I can't help but wonder if they all realize that if for example it took 300 £1 pledges to get us there, Prodos pays out 17000 if bonus to the 1700 legitimate pledges. For a bunch of folks who seem to be fans of Prodos, I'm not sure that really shows the love they think it does. It really isn't any worse than the folks who they accuse of trolling when the total hits a stretch goal and then drops below it. In fact it may be worse as it could cost Prodos quite a bit.
Yet, if you have legitimate issues or questions some of these same folks will jump in your gak.
You seem very emotionally invested in this, are you monetarily invested also, or just hear to spoil other people's fun?
Have they collected any money yet? If not, I am just emotionally invested, like all the other pledgers and commenters. By the way, it would be 'here' not 'hear'. If you want to be insulting, at least use the correct word. If reading my comments spoils your fun, I highly suggest hitting the ignore button and or telling the mods about my unruly fun spoiling behavior.
Edit: Just for gaks and giggles, what part of the post you replied to spoiled your fun? The parts where I pointed out folks were hurting Prodos, or the part where I commented on the boorish behavior of the fan boys?
You haven't spoiled my fun, but every time I come on hear to look at updates I have to wade through a bunch of repeated posts like yours (and a few others) complaining about whatever little thing's got your craw or a play-by-play of the comments section. If you don't like it, you don't have to back it, and move on. If you do have serious concerns, be constructive about it.
But you're right, I should just ignore you, so I think I will.
Panic wrote: yeah,
Finally gave in and decided to back this.
I want to pledge less than £250 and get 10 marines plus a whole feth load of aliens plus cloaked versions of the 5 predators (3 plus female & Berserker)
So I figure two box games, but it's so confusing.
Is it better to double pledge we're in the pipe plus payback or single pledge if it bleeds?
if someone has the time and is familiar with the system can check my working out I'd appreciate it.
they look pretty much the same unless i'm missing something?
Spoiler:
Is it better to double pledge we're in the pipe plus payback
2x royal guard (£40)
2x bezerker (£20)
2x free add-on (£30)
2x free model (£20)
£60 credit
£10 bonus credit
-total £180 of stuff plus two copies of game
for £200
plus 11 face huggers
single pledge if it bleeds?
1x royal guard (£20)
1x bezerker (£10)
1x free add-on (£15)
1x free model (10)
£110 credit
£35 bonus credit
-total £200 of stuff plus two copies of the game
for £210
plus 8 facehuggers
Panic...
Panic...
The lads here also helped me with this question..I am in for a 275.00 pledge and got 1X "We're in the Pipe" and 2X Looking good there boss. Getting these 3 pledges you get 15 facehuggers, 3X the 100k free addon, 3X the free berserker, 3X the 155k free model, 3x the 270k Free Royal Guard, plus 210 to spend on addons. This is better than 1X Get to the Chopper. although it is over your budget of 250.00 pledge.
And quoting Basement.dweller
If we assume we pass all stretches except the 2000 backers stretch - CHOPPER will be valued at £468 while 1x"PIPE"+ 2x"LOOKING GOOD" at the same price will be valued £495.
Welcome, Panic! Basement_dweller is the man for most efficient pledge. I think the discount on "If it bleeds" is pretty darn good, and then you don't have to get 2 copies of the base game and have more add-on credit.
Here's where he last linked to his pledge calculator, although I don't know if it's been changed to show that the Praetorian is IN baby
yeah, Thanks for all the tips guys... but even using the calculator made my head whirl! It's amazingly over complicated. In the end I've pledged £228 -If it bleeds
Using if it bleeds seemed like the easiest way to increase alien count! Plus the extra box will have more tiles, tokens and dice.. and I'm now thinking Facehugs are per box?
Again if anyone knows a better way to buy this let me know!!
I've bought what I think is a good ammount of aliens to put up against a squad of marines. I expect that when playing predators you only get 1-3 in game.. but having the cloaked version I think is mandatory!! I've not bought any crushers or young bloods as I've never heard of them before. I might drop the guns and loader as they are pretty specific to the movie plot and not a general universe thing... or switch the cash to buy young bloods...
Regardless this is supposed to be a ongoing game system so buying extras should be possible later if the game is actually any good!!?
Panic wrote: yeah,
Thanks for all the tips guys... but even using the calculator made my head whirl!
It's amazingly over complicated.
In the end I've pledged £228 -If it bleeds
Using if it bleeds seemed like the easiest way to increase alien count!
Plus the extra box will have more tiles, tokens and dice.. and I'm now thinking Facehugs are per box?
Again if anyone knows a better way to buy this let me know!!
I've bought what I think is a good ammount of aliens to put up against a squad of marines.
I expect that when playing predators you only get 1-3 in game.. but having the cloaked version I think is mandatory!!
I've not bought any crushers or young bloods as I've never heard of them before.
I might drop the guns and loader as they are pretty specific to the movie plot and not a general universe thing... or switch the cash to buy young bloods...
Regardless this is supposed to be a ongoing game system so buying extras should be possible later if the game is actually any good!!?
Panic...
I passed on the cloaked Preds due to the cost and the fiddlyness of clear resin. I was hoping it was going to be like Zombicide where you'd get the Pred and his cloaked Version together.
I've added a section at the BOTTOM where you put in what pledges you want and it gives you the the value, credit, and the exact bonus items - including extra credit. This way you are not limited to a certain combination. All stretches updated and accounted for.
Also - RiTides is right - the best pledge in terms of value for money is "If it Bleeds", you'd have to spend more than that on lesser pledges to get a better deal. Possibly 3x"Pipe", but that's kind of boring with no real free credit allocated.
Sheesh, everyone seems to have way more money than me I'm still sitting on the £125 Payback time and considering throwing a few quid more if I can afford it - will wait until the pledge manager comes out though before I decide my final list and see the renders we're waiting on.
Me and my GF are going through our two accounts (Well, both mine. She just uses the other one).
Going for:
Marines:
Sarge
11 Marines (5 Free with one account. Got one at the Open day)
2 Sentry Guns (Free with one account)
Power loader
Aliens:
Alien Dice
11 Facehuggers
5 Stalkers
11 Infants (got one at the Open day)
5 Warriors (Free)
2 Royal Guard (1 from each account)
1 Predalien (Free)
1 Crusher
1 Queen
3 Eggs (Free at Open day)
Predators:
4 Predators (One free at Open day)
1 Female Predator
2 Berserkers (One per account)
1 Cloaked Female Predator
2 Hellhounds
3 Young Bloods
Having people with me at Open Day was a great idea. Got one of each race and eggs each.
yeah, I think your right. If the predators have two modes they should come as pairs.
as a optional 'token' for game play I don't understand why there are no discout package options to encourage purchase... 3 cloaked 'box' predators - £20 Female predator plus her cloaked female - £15 3x young bloods plus 3x cloaked young bloods - £35
Also I think the resin objectives should be a box upgrade goal... 3x eggs, 1x predator pole and 1x synthetic
This might sound boring, but I plan on printing up Predator silhouettes on overhead paper with a refracted light effect. it's cheaper and frankly I never liked the look of clear cast figures, they always look a bit too glossy or fail in some other way to emulate the effect.
Oh - and I've seen some horrible examples of inked clear stuff... It just looks like fancy art glass stuff If anyone has any tips on how to make it look good I would be happy to hear some suggestions as I might get one just to try it.
Update #23 Nov 27, 2013
Hangar on a minute... What's this...
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Close, but no prize. It's the...
DOCKING BAY...
Okay, so we have been showing sneak peaks for a few days now and dropping hints, but it's finally here. Finished literally about an hour ago and photos 30 minutes ago as I write this.
The Docking Bay is the staple of many sci-fi movies and so it belongs here. It was something we had on the books from the start, but not planned to make for the KS. However, early on it was demanded as a staple setting, (before we all got carried away by requesting the more obscure items ranging from Hot Tubs to Drop Ships), so we carefully made some plans just in case we got that far into the funding... and boy did we get far. )
The images below are based on two tools so this will be a much bigger add on at twice the size of the normal single one. The tool will also be very complex. Yeah Baby )
They've breached the energy field sir!
Squeak, squeak, Come on boys, we're in!
Control to security, back up in docking bay 12!
Take em down!
Damn it, Wheres my back up!!!
I'll hold them off sir! (there is only three)
Is anyone coming to help!
And so it was...
The airlock style surround (on the floor) will have a variety of images that you can download and print for placing underneath. For example airlock doors in the closed potion, then in open showing the shaft and then the opening into space. Maybe some water, or a reactor field. )
We will confirm that exact contents over the next few days and have it up as a stretch goal ready for the last run.
Video...
The final shots have been taken and this will go up tomorrow. It will explain about the durability of the card, as well as a few other questions that have been asked.
It is now well and truly past my bedtime (the KS altered bedtime too) and so it's over and out from me.
basement.dweller wrote: This might sound boring, but I plan on printing up Predator silhouettes on overhead paper with a refracted light effect. it's cheaper and frankly I never liked the look of clear cast figures, they always look a bit too glossy or fail in some other way to emulate the effect.
Oh - and I've seen some horrible examples of inked clear stuff... It just looks like fancy art glass stuff If anyone has any tips on how to make it look good I would be happy to hear some suggestions as I might get one just to try it.
I'll assume you mean mine when you mention horrible examples of inked clear stuff (and I am genuinely okay with that), but I honestly think they look pretty good in hand. Better than the pictures show.
The inks at least bring out the details in the minis in my opinion.
at 10.00 per I can use my addon money for more figures than a single clear pred. I am thinking of using the Space Hulk Blip Markers for cloaked preds. Easy peezy lemon squeezy.
basement.dweller wrote: This might sound boring, but I plan on printing up Predator silhouettes on overhead paper with a refracted light effect. it's cheaper and frankly I never liked the look of clear cast figures, they always look a bit too glossy or fail in some other way to emulate the effect.
Oh - and I've seen some horrible examples of inked clear stuff... It just looks like fancy art glass stuff If anyone has any tips on how to make it look good I would be happy to hear some suggestions as I might get one just to try it.
I'll assume you mean mine when you mention horrible examples of inked clear stuff (and I am genuinely okay with that), but I honestly think they look pretty good in hand. Better than the pictures show.
Spoiler:
The inks at least bring out the details in the minis in my opinion.
Jake
Doh! I kinda like the Sedition Wars blue ones - like Warboss mentioned, but yeah not a fan of the preds. Sorry dude. I didn't know they were yours by the way and it's not a comment on your painting ability - just I find the medium (clear figures) awkward at best... To be fair I don't like the Neca figures that use that effect either and I've yet to be impressed by $500 collectible statues that have that effect. Water effects look good. I think it's the glossy finish that takes it away for me. I am sure there are ways to counteract that, but I haven't seen any good tutorial on that. That's partly why I was asking for tips. Thank you for sharing it's appreciated.
yeah,
So update 6 says if I buddy up and we both name drop we both get a free mini?
Although there looks to be alot of backlash in the comments, it looks like it's a valid offer untill it hits 2000 backers ??
Panic wrote: yeah,
So update 6 says if someone posts my name we both get a free mini?
although there looks to be alot of backlash in the comments.
is this offer still valid? if so I need a buddy!?
Panic...
It was scrapped and replaced with the 2000 backers reward instead. I think it's in the update after the one you just read.
yeah,
yikes!
So Prodos replaced a working offer with one that probabily won't be reached.
They have not communicated this very well as people are still adding names, the most recent only 2 hours ago.
This is going to cause a uproar when we end up >2000 backers...
...at which point they may decide to honour the update??
Soooo
If some one wants to be my referer I'll happily stick our names down anyways. PM me.
Panic wrote: yeah,
yikes!
So Prodos replaced a working offer with one that probabily won't be reached.
They have not communicated this very well as people are still adding names, the most recent only 2 hours ago.
This is going to cause a uproar when we end up >2000 backers...
...at which point they may decide to honour the update??
Soooo
If some one wants to be my referer I'll happily stick our names down anyways. PM me.
yeah, Actually the 2000 thing is worse than the first offer...
Get more friends to pledge and shout you, you get more free models!
So If RiTides gets 6 people to say they joined because of his promotion here on dakka. he gets £60 of models. But that is replaced with a gakky £10 add on if we reach 2000...
Are kickstarters allowed to retract offers mid campaign?
In fairness it was retracted less than 24 hours later. I think they didn't really think it through though... It did result in lots of people dropping out and repledging with a "buddy" - and some guy was offering to pay for every referral he got. In essence they made it a pyramid scheme of things. Not great.
I agree, now that i've read all the posts and then update 7 that they quickly altered the deal.
I'm not gonna be the one kicking up a fuss demanding my free mini... But you can bet your socks there will be a fuss made by some people.
and I don't mind the possibility of cashing in
Well, pledged for a bunch of Preds and Aliens. Still don't know what's the difference between a free add-on and a free model at my pledge level, but feth it, in a month I won't even remember what I pledged for anyway.
DustClaw wrote: Oh thanks for the answer, it was not written in an update but on the comments of update 6.
Didn't event know that function existed...
But it was discussed on this very page
On topic: We passed the 500k US$ mark (was at £307k), so we can call it a success (esp as it is a boardgame with components that have to be glued and painted).
Update #28
The Predator Ship: £330000 Stretch Goal
On to the next Stretch:
All KS exclusive AVP The Hunt Begins Games will now include 2 new tiles: 'Insertion Pod' and a 'Boarding Tube' if we get to the next Stretch Goal:
AND you can add the whole Predator ship to your order for £15. This expansion set will include a whole Predator ship, plus the environmental rules, markers and Missions needed to play this set in the the Board and War Games.
Here are our next 2 Stretch Goals:
But now we have 3 free eggs (or synthetics or Pred Weapon Objectives) for each Backers of £75 or more! Happy Easter....I mean last day of the KS!
We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly...
CONCEPT. 1 Multi part ~120mm High Alien Queen on a 80mm Base. Model made from urethane plastic.CONCEPT. 1 Multi part ~120mm High Alien Queen on a 80mm Base. Model made from urethane plastic.
If anyone is interested in an Alien Queen for much cheaper, Miniature Market has the AVP Queen and Predator Clix sets on Black Friday sale for only $7 plus shipping with over 150 in stock.
The predator and alien packs are still very pricey but the Queen pack is quite cheap. Even if you're getting the Prodos queen, for $7 it's worth it just to pick up the egg sack for a conversion. I use my egg sacks as Tyranid spore pods for my Alien 40k army.
warboss wrote: If anyone is interested in an Alien Queen for much cheaper, Miniature Market has the AVP Queen and Predator Clix sets on Black Friday sale for only $7 plus shipping with over 150 in stock.
The predator and alien packs are still very pricey but the Queen pack is quite cheap. Even if you're getting the Prodos queen, for $7 it's worth it just to pick up the egg sack for a conversion. I use my egg sacks as Tyranid spore pods for my Alien 40k army.
Not only that, but she also comes with one alien and one predator figure and a grided map and I think some tokens.
Oh my, I just bought 10 of them (for the alien/predator figure and tokens), looks like I will have some extra queens for trade.
warboss wrote: If anyone is interested in an Alien Queen for much cheaper, Miniature Market has the AVP Queen and Predator Clix sets on Black Friday sale for only $7 plus shipping with over 150 in stock.
The predator and alien packs are still very pricey but the Queen pack is quite cheap. Even if you're getting the Prodos queen, for $7 it's worth it just to pick up the egg sack for a conversion. I use my egg sacks as Tyranid spore pods for my Alien 40k army.
That looked entirely interesting til the shipping came up... $25 to Sweden :(
First time not lurking on Dakka, and just finished reading through all of the pages of this.
I noticed something a few pages back, and don't think I saw anyone mention it. Prodos were answering someone's questions, and one of their answers was:
"Same question, switch out 'aliens' with Predators'. There are none, but the addon preds include cloaked ones"
Is that a mistake/ am I missinterpreting it?
I don't mind paying thirty pounds for three Predators, as they are nice looking sculpts, and I was planing to get the cloaked ones as well as I'm a sucker for clear resin, but if we do get cloaked ones in there then that would free up some money for some other stuff.
I haven't looked through all of the kickstarted coments so I don't know if this has been addressed there allready or not.
Floryenzo the giant bird wrote: First time not lurking on Dakka, and just finished reading through all of the pages of this.
I noticed something a few pages back, and don't think I saw anyone mention it. Prodos were answering someone's questions, and one of their answers was:
"Same question, switch out 'aliens' with Predators'. There are none, but the addon preds include cloaked ones"
Is that a mistake/ am I missinterpreting it?
I don't mind paying thirty pounds for three Predators, as they are nice looking sculpts, and I was planing to get the cloaked ones as well as I'm a sucker for clear resin, but if we do get cloaked ones in there then that would free up some money for some other stuff.
I haven't looked through all of the kickstarted coments so I don't know if this has been addressed there allready or not.
Having learned Prodos speak I am pretty sure that means "the only difference is that you can get cloaked preds as addons"
Yeah,
Arrrrgh I've been thinking about pledge level math again!,
Basement help!
Is if it bleeds plus £20 better/worse than 'in the pipe plus real aliens'
Both cost £230...
Panic...
I've gone and switched pledge to real aliens plus in the pipe...
Double pledge I get £235 in extras
If it bleeds plus £20 - I get £220 plus four more face hugs
So it's kinda like trading in 4 face hungers for a berserker and £5..
His Master's Voice wrote: Well, pledged for a bunch of Preds and Aliens. Still don't know what's the difference between a free add-on and a free model at my pledge level, but feth it, in a month I won't even remember what I pledged for anyway.
Panic wrote: Yeah,
Arrrrgh I've been thinking about pledge level math again!,
Basement help!
Is if it bleeds plus £20 better/worse than 'in the pipe plus real aliens'
Both cost £230...
Spoiler:
Panic...
I've gone and switched pledge to real aliens plus in the pipe...
Double pledge I get £235 in extras
If it bleeds plus £20 - I get £220 plus four more face hugs
So it's kinda like trading in 4 face hungers for a berserker and £5..
Although if I'm wrong please tell me!!
Calculations in the spoiler
Spoiler:
If it bleeds + £20
Cost with shipping £240
credit £165 (including the added £20 + £35 bonus credit)
value: £439,5
discount: 45%
basement.dweller wrote: ...All in all you get about the same value with both, but less variety with that particular combo... It depends on what you want I guess.
Thanx! I've switched back!
I think your right the free add ons would limit my selection.
£330k passed (that's 540k US$) and extra tiles and predator ship add-on unlocked!
Update #29
£350000 Weyland-Yutani Commandos
Next Stretch is for a set of 5 Weyland-Yutani Commandos. If we pass £350000 these can be added to your pledge for £15
Set of 5 polyurethene multipose and multipart Weyland-Yutani CommandosSet of 5 polyurethene multipose and multipart Weyland-Yutani Commandos
And we have now unlocked the 2 new tiles in every AVP The Hunt Begins KS Exclusive Deluxe Board Game. (These will not be available after the Kickstarter).
And you can add the Predator Ship to your Pledge for £15:
Includes 4 rooms, 12 corridors , new missions, environmental rules and lots moreIncludes 4 rooms, 12 corridors , new missions, environmental rules and lots more
If I drop my pledge down from get to the chopper, will i be able to increase it again during the pledge manager (back to get to the chopper)? My money is needed elsewhere.
chaos0xomega wrote: If I drop my pledge down from get to the chopper, will i be able to increase it again during the pledge manager (back to get to the chopper)? My money is needed elsewhere.
there is a better value at the 275.00 Chopper pledge. and I don't think you can select the Chopper pledge after the KS is over. you must select the highest pledge you want then you can add funds for either extra items or additional pledges lower than the one you've selected.
Like I don't think you can select the "We're in the Pipe" pledge and afterwards select "get to the chopper"
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5 hours and less than 200 backers needed... Can we do it?
Added a bit more to my pledge for the Predator ship, but really hoping it will reach £350,000 for the Corp troopers!
His Master's Voice wrote: Well, pledged for a bunch of Preds and Aliens. Still don't know what's the difference between a free add-on and a free model at my pledge level, but feth it, in a month I won't even remember what I pledged for anyway.
haha yes that is so true! Just been opening my Deadzone stuff with a genuine sense of surprise and wonderment, as I couldn't for the life of me remembered what I had pledged on
chaos0xomega wrote: If I drop my pledge down from get to the chopper, will i be able to increase it again during the pledge manager (back to get to the chopper)? My money is needed elsewhere.
there is a better value at the 275.00 Chopper pledge. and I don't think you can select the Chopper pledge after the KS is over. you must select the highest pledge you want then you can add funds for either extra items or additional pledges lower than the one you've selected.
Like I don't think you can select the "We're in the Pipe" pledge and afterwards select "get to the chopper"
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5 hours and less than 200 backers needed... Can we do it?
Okay, because some kickstarters allow you to change your pledge level by adding funds during the pledge manager phase.
EDIT: Prodos confirmed in the comments that this was indeed possible. Woohoo!
chaos0xomega wrote: If I drop my pledge down from get to the chopper, will i be able to increase it again during the pledge manager (back to get to the chopper)? My money is needed elsewhere.
there is a better value at the 275.00 Chopper pledge. and I don't think you can select the Chopper pledge after the KS is over. you must select the highest pledge you want then you can add funds for either extra items or additional pledges lower than the one you've selected.
Like I don't think you can select the "We're in the Pipe" pledge and afterwards select "get to the chopper"
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5 hours and less than 200 backers needed... Can we do it?
Okay, because some kickstarters allow you to change your pledge level by adding funds during the pledge manager phase.
you can add funds. just can't upgrade your actual pledge level.
Yeah they use both terms. Also, ~4 hours to go and we only need 115 backers to hit 2000... This should be interesting! Might add some money to my pledge for add-ons, so an extra 10GBP credit would be great.
warboss wrote: Did the praetorian get renamed the royal guard? I'm not seeing the former on the list of add ons.
It's the same thing. I got confused too.
If the AVP arcade game was a major source of inspiration for this game I suspect the name change may be because of that. Some of the other names seem to go along with that as well.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: Yeah they use both terms. Also, ~4 hours to go and we only need 115 backers to hit 2000... This should be interesting! Might add some money to my pledge for add-ons, so an extra 10GBP credit would be great.
You know.. think there is a possibility this might make 2000 backers!
Or it might get to like 1980 or so and then Prodos decide to go the good thing
I am more excited about the second side of the tiles that look much better than the first it seems:
Update #30
£370000 Double-sided Tiles for the Board Game
If we get to £370000 Prodos will make the Board Tiles in the main game double-sided and add 5 new Missions!
And now the Weyland-Yutani Commandos can be bought for £15. Each is multipart and multipose polyurethene miniatures:
AND we are very very close to unlocking the 2000 backer Add-on, for which all backers of 'We're in the Pipe' or higher get an additional £10 of free add ons.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the 2k backers goal is gonna get met. The double-sided tiles too probably. I dunno if I want to go in for them though, since I'm already backing the Battlesystems Modular Terrain anyway... maybe a 2nd pack of Alien Warriors instead. Hmm, decisions to make soon I guess.
Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
Pacific wrote: Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
They already said that one is in the bag... or out of.. well you know.
Pacific wrote:Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
basement.dweller wrote:
Pacific wrote: Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
They already said that one is in the bag... or out of.. well you know.
Get this add on for £5 if we break the £380k Goal. 4 Guns (flamer x2 and smartguns x2) with arms, 1 alternative Sergeant head and 2 different Predator heads
Get this add on for £5 if we break the £380k Goal. 4 Guns (flamer x2 and smartguns x2) with arms, 1 alternative Sergeant head and 2 different Predator heads.
bubber wrote: Just a week or so ago i didn't think we'd hit £225k or come close to 2000 backers - oh me of little faith.
Same here, but this has been pretty crazy. I guess the whole "last day's as good or better as the first day" general rule was a good idea to follow. Honestly didn't expect the 2000 backers though. Onwards to 380k!
Also, it's been fun keeping track of this thing with all you guys, even if we've been whining and arguing the whole time. I've barely even paid attention to 40k this whole time, it's a welcome shot in the arm.
For anyone interested in playing around with multipledging
I've updated the comparison thingie to include all stretchgoals.
It's at the bottom of the spreadsheet and will give you all extras and credit you get etc. I think you might have to save it in order to edit.
NOTE: I am unsure of how many 2000 backers rewards you are eligible for, but going by what Prodos has said in general - I am counting it as per pledge.
Prodos wrote: URGENT: If you want to up after KS please put £10 and the anytime pledge in. We wont be able to contatct you for just the £1 donation to up
Ruglud wrote: LOL, thanks for the hard work on that chart basement
Hehe - I felt like a little kid doing it I knew I needed one to keep track of stuff myself, but I figured other people could benefit too. I just wish I had some more funds atm. Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade from "Pipe" later?
Ahh.. Seems HBMC answered my question before I posted. Good to know.
bubber wrote: Well that's my prediction of not reaching £370k gone.
We are never going to hit £380 though - can't be wrong twice (hex on me - £380 here we come).
Only £6.6k to go - given the funds generated thus far it's very possible...
Pacific wrote:Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
basement.dweller wrote:
Pacific wrote: Excellent, so £10 more of extras. Now we just need that baby to arrive and that's another £10. Why the hell the wait for this long, don't they usually induce it by now?!
They already said that one is in the bag... or out of.. well you know.
No kidding!
Someone slap a facehugger on Pacific already!
Damn you !! !!!
Didn't realise it had happened, congratulations Mr & Mrs Prodos hope you name the baby Ellen or .. erm.. Dwayne, in honour of this Kickstarter!
from Prodos:
Creator Prodos Games Ltd 3 minutes ago
Ladies and Gentlemen! We thank you very much for an awesome time and what an amazing total! we will be in touch very soon. Im off now to have a baby, Jarek will check in on the morrow. mark
Definitely a roller coaster ride. The deal improved enough recently to warrant a second look but in the end I just didn't feel it personally. I'll definitely pick up a predalien and female pred though when they hit the store shelves to go along with my clix. Since you guys will be getting them early, I look forward to seeing early preview pics as the backers start to get their minis.
warboss wrote: Definitely a roller coaster ride. The deal improved enough recently to warrant a second look but in the end I just didn't feel it personally. I'll definitely pick up a predalien and female pred though when they hit the store shelves to go along with my clix. Since you guys will be getting them early, I look forward to seeing early preview pics as the backers start to get their minis.
Same here.
If the game gets good reviews, I will probably pick up the rulebook and maybe the boxed game to use with my large AVP Horrorclix collection. If they ever do one piece figures, I will buy a ton of those as well.
Prodos wrote:Im off now to have a baby, Jarek will check in on the morrow. mark
What these guys do just to save the baby stretch goal
That was unlocked a while back
Project Update #32:
Game over man, Game Over!
Posted by Prodos Games Ltd
Sorry about the bad pun, I had to, didn't I, really?
Anyway. A big thank you to everyone!
We are now going to be beavering away, to finalise all the unlocked and the game itself. Keep a close eye on your inbox, there will be lots of updates. We will send the pledge calculator/questionnaire early next year, so don't worry if you don't get it before there.
And just to clarify we have unlocked the last Stretch Goal, so they can be added to your pledge via the pledge calculator for £5 a set.
Includes 1 human and 2 different Predator heads and 2 smart guns and 2 flamers, all with arms.
And today we also unlocked the Predator ship set and the extra Pred tiles to the main game, as well as the W-Y Commandos, the free markers and doublesided board tiles
AMAZING!
So I am going to sign off now and say thank you again
Wow, I'm really happy that we got that last 10 gbp. I managed to divide the contents of the kickstarter among some friends as well just so we can start a small AvP scene down here.
Final count (me): - base box Preds - Berserker Pred - female Pred - Weyland Yutani soldiers Total cost: ~$58.67 (Edit: math was off)
Friend #1 final count: - base box Aliens - free Predalien - free Royal Guard - 5x Facehuggers Total cost: $60.00
Friend #2 final count: - base box marines - 2x Sentry Guns Total cost: $20.00
I gave the freebies to my friends since they're younger and would need the boost to the value of their buck. Undoubtedly my friend who went for the Aliens got the best deal. I'm using the 2000 backer bonus for a female Pred. Overall not bad at all of a campaign given the flaws.
Really wanted to get that rulebook though. Looks really nice. Sadly my growing Cryx force demands more money. I'm just glad that I got Preds and Weyland soldiers.
warboss wrote: Definitely a roller coaster ride. The deal improved enough recently to warrant a second look but in the end I just didn't feel it personally. I'll definitely pick up a predalien and female pred though when they hit the store shelves to go along with my clix. Since you guys will be getting them early, I look forward to seeing early preview pics as the backers start to get their minis.
Same here.
If the game gets good reviews, I will probably pick up the rulebook and maybe the boxed game to use with my large AVP Horrorclix collection. If they ever do one piece figures, I will buy a ton of those as well.
btw thanks for the mention on the epic Alien Queen Clix deal, snagged that. Can always proxy another Queen + Predator + Alien with that should I choose to among my group of friends.
Anyway, now to figure out what to use my KS funds on... here's currently what I'm going for:
That leaves me with 15GBP to figure out. Might get 5x Alien Warriors with it. Then again, I feel like the Predators aren't getting enough love so I might switch that to a Cloaked or Female Pred + Pred Dice or the Head/Weapon swaps...
A fascinating campaign. I'll save my detailed observations for later, sufficed to say that it's turned out largely as I expected once the campaign got underway.
Congratulations to Prodos now, and congratulations to the new parents (in advance).
Congrats to Prodos - some tough times, but we got there in the end...
Automatically Appended Next Post: And got confirmation that the CC payment went through successfully - now to get the CC bill when it comes through the post and hide from the wife...
RiTides wrote: Couldn't watch it end, but man, that was awesome!
Didn't miss too much. At that point we knew the 380,000 gbp SG was going to happen and the 2k pledgers was a shoe in. Although it depends at what point you stopped watching. For me, after the Weyland soldiers were unlocked, anything else would be gravy. And man those double sided tiles being free is good gravy.
Now I'm just excited to get my stuff and what's coming in the future.
Prodos mentioned a jungle scenario expansion later on which I can't wait for.
Also, I'm really curious to see how they're going to separate Weyland soldiers from the marines. For now they said they belong on the "humans" side. I'm hoping they're more than just reskins of marines. But if they aren't, I still won't be disappointed since I love me some evil humans.
yeah,
So is it too early to search out trades...!??
I'm gonna have a spare set of predators from the second boxed game.
If anyone is interested in organising a trade for Aliens hit me with a PM.
Preference will be to trade within the UK... (ideally London!)
I've watched this one since the start and despite my TV recently exploding and the new purchase breaking the bank, I found room for a "Payback Time!" pledge. Looking forward to it.
As far as I can tell that gets me 80quid worth of addons (60 +10 free +10 for the child).
With the Anytime thing, the "thanks" they talk about... Does anyone know if that going to be our names in the book itself or just some generic thank you? If it's the former, I feel obliged to spend some of my addons on the hardcover book for a nice, slick copy of our good deeds.
My understanding is they did the same with Malifaux?
I'm in at "You Want a Piece of Me? You Ugly Son of a …"
I'll be selecting, assuming I've got my numbers correct,
The Box Game,
3x Dice sets (one of each faction)
1x Queen,
5x Warriors,
5x Marines,
1x Powerloader,
5x Weyland-Yutani Commandos,
1x Female Predator,
3x Youngbloods,
2x Hellhounds,
3x Predators,
1x Alien Eggs,
1x Weapons pack,
1x Predator Ship Tiles,
I'll get a free Sgt, the sentry guns, two Berserkers, a set of Resin Tokens (Marine ones), a Praetorian, and the Rule book.
I know I could get better value by taking a free marine squad and buying the Sgt with pledge credit, but this is neater. That £8 model really throws off the final total.
Went in for 'Payback Time' in the end - started adding bits and pieces to the basic £75 boxset, but then thought it would probably make sense to go for that pledge with the freebies and then work it out later!
Cyporiean wrote: A heads up, Amazon has the Collector's Edition of Colonial Marines for $20 as a lightning deal for the next short while.
I'm too busy playing the Nintendo DS Aliens game, it's brilliant!
"Also, I'm really curious to see how they're going to separate Weyland soldiers from the marines. For now they said they belong on the "humans" side. I'm hoping they're more than just reskins of marines. But if they aren't, I still won't be disappointed since I love me some evil humans. "
I wonder if they'll give them some rules for 'alien proof armour' if they're based on the Alien³ design, maybe not able to get facehuggered and such.
Also does anyone know if there is a fully up to date version of the excell pledge calculator thing yet?
Ruglud wrote: Check out this M577 papercraft build... Easily translatable into plasticard and start now, could have it done by May and much cheaper than resin.
Only cheaper if you don't count the time/skill it takes to make it, especially in plasticard. I have the Khurasan one, and feel the price was very good for what I got.
Buzzsaw wrote: A fascinating campaign. I'll save my detailed observations for later, sufficed to say that it's turned out largely as I expected once the campaign got underway.
I look forward to you placing this campaign... Through the Buzzsaw!
Ruglud wrote: Check out this M577 papercraft build... Easily translatable into plasticard and start now, could have it done by May and much cheaper than resin.
Ruglud wrote: Check out this M577 papercraft build... Easily translatable into plasticard and start now, could have it done by May and much cheaper than resin.
For all that just do what another player did and make your corridors out of the flexible rain gutter. the thing looks brilliant! There was a link on one of the pages to it.
warboss wrote: Definitely a roller coaster ride. The deal improved enough recently to warrant a second look but in the end I just didn't feel it personally. I'll definitely pick up a predalien and female pred though when they hit the store shelves to go along with my clix. Since you guys will be getting them early, I look forward to seeing early preview pics as the backers start to get their minis.
Same here.
If the game gets good reviews, I will probably pick up the rulebook and maybe the boxed game to use with my large AVP Horrorclix collection. If they ever do one piece figures, I will buy a ton of those as well.
This is my reaction as well. Might grab the rulebook at some point, and maybe a squad of the Yutani troopers. However the Colonial marines were the main selling point for me and the price per trooper was to high for me to acquire the platoon of marines that I'd want.
Still, I'm glad it did well. Should prove a nice entre' into wargaming for non-wargamers, and it's definitely a nice addition to the selection of wargames currently available. I hope it delivers a good product and sells well into the future.
Ok I think I got my pledge figured out for now, until I add more funds later.
If it Bleeds + Looking good Boss
Game Stuff:
x2 Base games
Predator ship tiles +event deck
Rule Book.
Predators:
x6 Base Preds (boxes)
x2 Bezerkers (from 2 pledge levels)
Fem Pred
Youngblood x3
Aliens:
x20 infant aliens (boxes)
x10 stalker aliens (boxes)
x2 Royal guard (from 2 pledge levels)
x15 warrior aliens
x1 queen (cause I mean come on how can you not have a queen?)
x3 resin eggs (from free stretch goal)
x21 face huggers (x16 from boxes, x5 from looking good boss)
x1 Predalien
And our glorious boys in the corps.
x10 Starter marines
x10 Add on Marines (x2 Free add-ons)
X4 Sentires (x2 Free Model SG)
weapon pack x2 (x4 flamers, x4 smart guns)
Sarge x2
Loader x1 (also had to have at least one for queen fight)
x10 weyland commandos
x10 Add On marines
I also kickstarterd the Battle systems at a stronghold level. Im hoping to recreate the 1989 board game from leading edge. Now I just have to find suitable models for newt, ripley, and burke....
Im kinda a bit disappointed that there is no Ripley, Butch or Exo-suits, nor the crews for both Hero/Heroine, fair enough I can understand why due to the timeline in the game, but I think the game will be missing something from that...
Here is a set of resin eggs I picked up last month at a local gaming convention and painted. These are really top notch. Not bad for 5.00
I also picked up a set of metal ones from another vendor before my partner in crime saw the resin. They are a bit smaller but will work just fine. I attempted to create a base similar to the resin ones and I will make some of the tubes out of additional greenstuff. These were less than 5.00
The company is called Windsword LLC. There is a website but when you try to view the site it asks for a username and password. Weird. There is also a phone number 215-885-6527 in Glenside Pa.
The company is called Windsword LLC. There is a website but when you try to view the site it asks for a username and password. Weird. There is also a phone number 215-885-6527 in Glenside Pa.
Jake, I ordered 2 sets of the below eggs earlier, and just got them yesterday. But honestly, seeing them I think I'll be adding Prodos' eggs now. I think these are too big to be actual size and may look out of place. Will probably try to sell the dozen of them for something like $15 shipped. If someone in the US wants them, PM me! I can take pics.
Medium of Death wrote: The eggs look good, but I think I would have prefered lots of closed eggs. Maybe 6 total with 1 or 2 of those partially opening.
Yeah, I think I'll be going with these instead- 6 for £5.50:
That said, I think the above models might be a little bigger than they should be at actual scale, but that doesn't really matter to me.
So, probably going to allocate my pledge elsewhere than eggs at 4 for £10, but that's no biggie plenty of other things to get.
Edit: Went ahead and ordered 2 sets of the above in case the kibosh gets put on them by Fox, etc . Although since these have been around since 2009, I think they should be fine.
And you may well be right, however it turns out I've got a bit extra in my pledge and if I end up picking up the Prodos eggs I'd rather not mix them together. Jake asked me for a pic so they're pending, will take that tonight.
I got to go in to my FLGS last night and geek out about this with my friend who also pledged... with my alien swarm and his base board game and marines, we should be able to run some epic scenarios! Also thinking of using these for a scenario in Infinity with a bunch of Hungries (which look rather like Aliens).
RiTides wrote: "Size of the higher"? You mean the queen?
And you may well be right, however it turns out I've got a bit extra in my pledge and if I end up picking up the Prodos eggs I'd rather not mix them together. Jake asked me for a pic so they're pending, will take that tonight.
I got to go in to my FLGS last night and geek out about this with my friend who also pledged... with my alien swarm and his base board game and marines, we should be able to run some epic scenarios! Also thinking of using these for a scenario in Infinity with a bunch of Hungries (which look rather like Aliens).
Huggers!!! Aaargh! iPhone auto correction you have failed me yet again!
Just got an email with an update (interesting comment regarding the tiles, will no doubt make HBMC happy!)
Today we have a few bits and pieces to show you painted by our very talented painter. Some of you have seen these already, but we feel it is important to share it with the masses!
As for how things are going on behind the scenes, well, we are busy working on getting everything we have not shown approved by 20th Century Fox, to ensure that we bring you the most accurate miniatures possible!
This means that any updates we make will be in the form of a Press Release which will be approved by 20th Century Fox before we release it. Our intention is to release these every Friday evening as promised, but there may be unavoidable delays.
The next batch of renders will be made available in next week's press release, they are currently pending approval.
We have some very exciting news regarding our Double Sided Board Tiles Stretch Goal. We have commissioned a experienced artist to create the other side of the Board. The artist we are using has worked on a variety of high quality Board Games for some of the industry's forerunners. In addition, due to the feedback we received, we have decided to redesign the original Board Tiles using this same artist.
We are all very excited about the progress AvP is making here in the Prodos Cave and we can assure you it will be worth the wait!
Anyway, here are the promised pictures!
Well, whoever they have got working for them to paint is certainly talented! Only criticism I have is the net-wound on the head of the alien, reference to that crappy movie
RiTides wrote: The paint job on that alien model is sweet!
Yeah, and to be honest that bothers me. When there is detail painted on but not present on the figure (like the green grid) it always makes me suspicious about how much of what I am looking at looks good only because of the paint job.
Visceral_Mass wrote: I am also happy to see that they are redesigning the tile art.
Agreed!
And Jake, I feel that way about models I haven't seen unpainted, but since I know what these look like unpainted, a sweet painted version isn't an issue for me
RiTides wrote: The paint job on that alien model is sweet!
Yeah, and to be honest that bothers me. When there is detail painted on but not present on the figure (like the green grid) it always makes me suspicious about how much of what I am looking at looks good only because of the paint job.
Looking at the close-ups we have seen of the Predator and Marine, I don't think the detail level is going to be a factor. This just seems to me like a rather special paintjob, and whoever is doing the painting for them showing off their abilities!
Floryenzo the giant bird wrote: Is it around mid next year that they're aiming to get stuff out by, or did I just imagine that?
May is the stated goal of release.
The bloke (I'm assuming) they have painting these is one talented bastard. The secondary mouth on the alien looks a bit like a club to me, theres not alot of definition going on there.
RiTides wrote: The paint job on that alien model is sweet!
Yeah, and to be honest that bothers me. When there is detail painted on but not present on the figure (like the green grid) it always makes me suspicious about how much of what I am looking at looks good only because of the paint job.
RiTides wrote: The paint job on that alien model is sweet!
Yeah, and to be honest that bothers me. When there is detail painted on but not present on the figure (like the green grid) it always makes me suspicious about how much of what I am looking at looks good only because of the paint job.
Wait. What?
I'm not sure what part of what I posted is confusing. I've seen companies hide poorly detailed figures with really good painting that added detail that is not present. I may have missed the nice close up pictures of the unpainted Alien figures showing the actual detail. All the pictures of the Aliens I remember were not really close ups.
The green grid worries you? That is a detail that someone painted on. How is that suspicious? That's like the artist painting camp on a marine and you being suspicious because there were not any camp patterning on the model prior to painting.
busby wrote: The green grid worries you? That is a detail that someone painted on. How is that suspicious? That's like the artist painting camp on a marine and you being suspicious because there were not any camp patterning on the model prior to painting.
Camo not camp. On my phone.
His point was that a good artist can make a mediocre figure look great (as well as hide a figure's flaws), with some strategically painted on detail.
That is not saying that particular figure is bad in any way, just that if that figure did possess any flaws, we wouldn't be able see them due to the excellent paint job and added detail.
I think a side by side comparison picture of an unpainted and painted figure (before and after) would be a great way of showcasing a figure's sculpt.
You know, I get it. My opinion differs from yours.
Again, I have seen figure makers disguise lack of detail with painting that adds detail that is not there. The painter who did these particular figures is clearly of the ability to do this.
Your example is not close to what I am talking about. Change 'camo' to 'wrinkles and pockets on the uniform' and you come closer. I've seen pictures of figures where the painter added detail like fingers and knuckles when the actual figure had hands like mittens for example. Fantastic paint work made a very mediocre figure look spectacular.
Bluntly, I would very much prefer close up well focused detail pictures of the unpainted figure, maybe with a light wash added to show details sculpted onto the figure. Pictures of painted figures are good too, but only if I can compare the painted figure to the unpainted figure.
Again, I have seen figure makers disguise lack of detail with painting that adds detail that is not there.
Yes! A thousand times yes! A very good example of this is MAS HDF western buildings that look glorious in all their wood grain detail and then you realize basically everything is painted on. A superb painter can make anything look good. If a nicely painted up figure is the draw, a good photo of the raw figure is what sells it for me at least.
I am not disputing your opinion just trying to get a clearer reason about the issue. If the issue is you don't trust the model based upon the level of painted detail, it just strikes me as odd. The wound and camo comparison is how I saw your issue based on the limited information I had. Mostly because I have seen pictures of the unpainted model and I guess I assumed you might have as well, despite not having evidence of you stating so. I have pictures of models I personally own from Prodos if you would like to see the level of detail they have provided for their other range... though I know that is definitely not the same as having alien models... I trusted a company to have good quality models not.long ago..... then bought models in their range and they turned out to be horrrrrrible.
busby wrote: I am not disputing your opinion just trying to get a clearer reason about the issue. If the issue is you don't trust the model based upon the level of painted detail, it just strikes me as odd. The wound and camo comparison is how I saw your issue based on the limited information I had. Mostly because I have seen pictures of the unpainted model and I guess I assumed you might have as well, despite not having evidence of you stating so. I have pictures of models I personally own from Prodos if you would like to see the level of detail they have provided for their other range... though I know that is definitely not the same as having alien models... I trusted a company to have good quality models not.long ago..... then bought models in their range and they turned out to be horrrrrrible.
Interesting that my post right above yours states:
I may have missed the nice close up pictures of the unpainted Alien figures showing the actual detail. All the pictures of the Aliens I remember were not really close ups.
Must've missed it since again, on my phone while trying to see your point since you pointed out the green grid detail. If you can't be bothered to Google or look at their kickstarter page for an example of their smooth texturing on that particular portion of the model, I will certainly provide a link to a picture (likely on earlier pages) once I get to a computer. If bubbling is your query, I have about 17 models that are on my table at home. 4 or 5 are off the sprue and cleaned up. The rest are on their sprues still flash and all. I can take pictures of them for you to review. They are not on their alien line though, so I will pm you them to try and keep this thread from devolving into their other line (more so than my own doing so far). I or anyone here could also attempt to contact them to provide an unpainted closeup example or three. Customer service has been a mixed bag supposedly, but my personal experience has had them getting me a response within 24 hours. Which is excellent in my opinion.
Edit: Maybe not on the pictures. I'm actually failing to find better closeups of that model unpainted.
Upper left is a decent closeup. Note the smooth surface and the detail present. About as close up as the last picture on page 109, but the opposite side. Only touching up that I can possibly see is a possible filling in on the arm joint and leg joint. There are a few models on their facebook/thread on here/I think their kickstarter as well that are closer and clearer.
Yes, Bob, I am quite aware of what makeup/painting can do to a model/person/object.
The upper left one has smooth, fleshy arms and thighs. The head is smooth, but in context with the whole body it just looks under-detailed and unfinished. After all, even the smooth-headed aliens had creases where they retracted their upper lips when baring their teeth.
Nice to see some enthusiasm for a change . You'd think these guys were forcing people to buy wooden nickels!
I just expect a lot personally. I've pledged, but that had more to do with the IP than what I've seen so far. I mean a lot of stuff doesn't even have renders yet. I'm not saying what they've done so far is bad, but the aliens are a tad underwhelming imho. In relation to what has been available they are better, but not excellent. My hopes are for the Warriors. There is also another vendor for proper predators (as in licensed as far as I can tell) of the limited collectible variety that are amazingly detailed and sculpted in 28/30mm by industry talents at a similar pricepoint. So my interest is mostly in the alien department and legacy stuff - like a powerloader and a queen and hopefully main characters down the line. In my case though I am looking at every figure (from all ranges) like a possible centerpiece for a diorama. It's all relative to what you are looking for - if I was just in this for gaming I would probably share that unfaltering enthusiasm
I actually share this view- am really hoping the Warriors are ace, and have planned to put most of my pledge towards them and the big bugs (planning to get 40 warriors!) and skip the stalkers and infants.
Cpt. Jake, you need to take a look at that thread, hopefully that should put your concerns to rest. These miniatures are as really well detailed - that much for 28mm is knocking on Corvus Belli/Taban territory, very nice.
Pacific wrote: Cpt. Jake, you need to take a look at that thread, hopefully that should put your concerns to rest. These miniatures are as really well detailed - that much for 28mm is knocking on Corvus Belli/Taban territory, very nice.
I'm looking. They are okay. I've definitely seen better detailing and assembly. Looks like shoulders and legs don't join well with bodies in some instances (or whomever assembled these did a poor job.)
Is that line on the alien head a vein or flash?
Not sure if the detail on the face is as soft as this picture would lead me to believe.
This face isn't great either:
Is the smart gun supposed to connect to the trooper's harness in some way?
instead of:
Except for the smart gun, the marines look the best out of what they show in that thread.
Admittedly, I have seen a lot worse, but I have also seen a lot better. These are good, but not close to great. I understand why showing the pro-painted versions suits them better.
I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but... WARNING: DO NOT CONTRIBUTE
To be fair, I own a lot of what that guy is selling, and Hot Toys/Sideshow make some quali--- oh!
Jokes aside, how is this project not yet shut down?
And this would be why folks are cautious about IndieGoGo... the fact that they still haven't taken that down points to the fact that there is, if possible, even less oversight on there than on Kickstarter
CptJake wrote: Is that line on the alien head a vein or flash?
Careful, I got lambasted earlier in this thread for daring to ask such a question
But I was specifically pointed to those pictures as examples of the divinity of these sculpts. I took that as an invitation to question them.
Again, these are not bad, but they are not great. The pro-painted pictures when compared to the pictures in my above post help (I think) make my point that there is a big difference between what a pro painter who knows how to use a camera can do, and what these figures actually look like. And that is why I want to see unpainted pictures of all the minis.
I'm buying enough of these that I feel justified is stating my opinion at this point, fan boys be damned.
Sorry, I meant when I asked "Is that a vein?" earlier folks got upset (as apparently it's clear to them that it isn't!). No issues with what you posted although those are old pics from during the campaign, not new ones as busby posted. Hopefully we'll get more, particularly of the individual components, as Prodos progresses / Fox approves things.
I am just glad they have updated photos on their forums for people to take a look at. I personally have not purchased any of the AvP models during the kickstarter, but will likely do so in the future.
And to be clear, they say the first step is admitting so: I am a fanboy of Warzone. Not a fanboy of AvP, but do like what they have put out for the range thus far (not that I was called out or anything).
I don't think I was clear on one thing, busby- those photos (from the forums) are from during the campaign / we'd already seen them. Hence why I already had commented on the "vein"
I know a lot of people might be disappointed by the models. You picky people you but to me as just casual collector/player of warhammer, which I don't need to remind people has some terrible mold lines and everyone knows about finecast.....
To me im not looking for hyper real, ultra polished models. Ive wanted AVP miniatures since the AVP extinction game and now finally someone is making them and they look good to me I honestly see no problems with the models except for no smart gun rig!!!! *shakes fist*
I'm just glad to be able to get some AVP miniatures, all of them O____O!
Still, can't believe i missed the kickstarter, im kicking myself. Maybe I'll find myself someone willing to sell me their pledge stock they get lol
RiTides wrote: No issues with what you posted although those are old pics from during the campaign, not new ones as busby posted. Hopefully we'll get more, particularly of the individual components, as Prodos progresses / Fox approves things.
I took them from the link Busby posted. Were those the wrong ones?
AtomicEngineer wrote: I
To me im not looking for hyper real, ultra polished models. Ive wanted AVP miniatures since the AVP extinction game and now finally someone is making them and they look good to me I honestly see no problems with the models except for no smart gun rig!!!! *shakes fist*
I'm just glad to be able to get some AVP miniatures, all of them O____O!
Have you looked at the prices?
Because, I felt the exact same way as you seem to until I saw the ridiculous prices. For the prices Prodos wants us to pay, the models need to be perfect, and not just "yay, Aliens! Good enough for me!"
Because, I felt the exact same way as you seem to until I saw the ridiculous prices. For the prices Prodos wants us to pay, the models need to be perfect, and not just "yay, Aliens! Good enough for me!"
After seeing the price of space marine centurions nothing in the miniatures world of prices surprise me anymore and things like the Warmachine starter set is just as expensive, as is most warmachine models for what you get. The rights to the license alone must have cost a fair bit.
AtomicEngineer wrote: I
To me im not looking for hyper real, ultra polished models. Ive wanted AVP miniatures since the AVP extinction game and now finally someone is making them and they look good to me I honestly see no problems with the models except for no smart gun rig!!!! *shakes fist*
I'm just glad to be able to get some AVP miniatures, all of them O____O!
Have you looked at the prices?
Because, I felt the exact same way as you seem to until I saw the ridiculous prices. For the prices Prodos wants us to pay, the models need to be perfect, and not just "yay, Aliens! Good enough for me!"
Are they ridiculous?
5 colonial marines from prodos for £15
4 white ops troops from hasslefree I think are 12
10 tactical marines from GW £25
And those rant paying 20th century fox to be able to make the minis as we'll
5 colonial marines from prodos for £15
4 white ops troops from hasslefree I think are 12
10 tactical marines from GW £25
And those rant paying 20th century fox to be able to make the minis as we'll
Seem like reasonable prices to me, after paying out the face for GW products over the years, these for what you get seem excellent. Perfect for when you have a bit of cash left over at the end of the month and want to grab a few more marines or aliens.
Had GW made them you would get 3 marines for £25 and have to buy a smart gun separate and use one of the marines as a converted model for it. The alien queen would be around £70
PS: Some of us think GW, PP, Infiniti and all the boutique mini sellers are also pretty ridiculous.
Of course you do otherwise you wouldnt have said it in the first place
We all have our internal Scrooge Mcduck telling us what we'll be willing to pay for toy soldiers.
For me compared to the rest of the sci fi market I dont think they are unreasonable. Especially considering their paying for a licence and what at the moment looks like a potentialy low model count skirmish game.
Thanks for taking the time to explain I really appreciate it. Should I switch my choices around now or wait and see what else comes along because I don't see Chopper getting any better really. Do you?
I can still get everything I want and use the freebie addon to soak up the Alien Warriors box sets at 15.00per. Brilliant! 
I kinda like the Sedition Wars blue ones - like Warboss mentioned, but yeah not a fan of the preds. Sorry dude. I didn't know they were yours by the way 
