Ratius wrote: Really love the Triaros except for the central gun spine thing. Dosent work at all imo.
My problem with it is that it has almost no ground clearance. That tank is not going to be able to drive on anything other than flat road.
I don't know for sure since we haven't seen it in bits and pieces, but I think the idea is that the hull can tilt up and down separate of the tracks, kinda like the Krios' gun does. Does that improve clearance?-only to the same degree that a suspension of disbelief that allows us to believe bolters, tyranids, etc allow. Generally it seems to have as much clearance as any other Imperial Vehicle. Its easy to lose perspective with how weird 40k heroic scale is. Consider the land raider, next to a marine without a base the clearance of the hull is somewhere along the upper shin. Relative to a 7-8ft tall marine that implies a ground clearance of about ~1-1/2 ft which is the ball park clearance of WWII to present day armored vehicles. Leman Russ tanks and Chimeras only have more and the mechanicus vehicles seem to have as much as well as some flexibility.
aka_mythos wrote: Consider the land raider, next to a marine without a base the clearance of the hull is somewhere along the upper shin. Relative to a 7-8ft tall marine that implies a ground clearance of about ~1-1/2 ft which is the ball park clearance of WWII to present day armored vehicles. Leman Russ tanks and Chimeras only have more and the mechanicus vehicles seem to have as much as well as some flexibility.
This is wrong. The Land Raider has maybe an inch or two of ground clearance, and only on hard surfaces. The issue isn't the height of the center hull, it's that the side plates extend all the way to the ground. If the tracks move up by even a small amount you immediately have the lower edge of the hull dragging on the ground. And of course if the ground is at all soft the tracks will sink in a bit and then the hull is stuck in the mud.
Ignoring sinking into the terrain and whatnot, a Land Raider's tracks could drive over something. The Triaros has a huge wedge on its front that would prevent its tracks from reaching any obstacles to climb over.
Land Raiders aren't exactly well designed, but this is worse.
My problem with it is that it has almost no ground clearance. That tank is not going to be able to drive on anything other than flat road.
Looking at some of the other pics on the net, it seems that the ground clearance is not all that bad.
The problem is the long front overhang of the "plow" and that the vehicle has no obstacle climbing ability because of the track configuration. At the first hill it encounters, the plow is going to dig into the hill and that will be it for movement,
Swap the tracks front to back however, and you are much better off...
I'm going to give a dissenting opinion on that Riptide variant. There's very little I like about it. The upper arms are longer than the plastic kit and end up looking too spindly, the narrow jet pack unbalances the design by overly concentrating the visual interest to the center line, and the flat topped chest and gorget make it too step-wise. But the flamers look cool and I'm curious to see the other gun (fusion weapon perhaps?)
aka_mythos wrote: Consider the land raider, next to a marine without a base the clearance of the hull is somewhere along the upper shin. Relative to a 7-8ft tall marine that implies a ground clearance of about ~1-1/2 ft which is the ball park clearance of WWII to present day armored vehicles. Leman Russ tanks and Chimeras only have more and the mechanicus vehicles seem to have as much as well as some flexibility.
This is wrong. The Land Raider has maybe an inch or two of ground clearance, and only on hard surfaces. The issue isn't the height of the center hull, it's that the side plates extend all the way to the ground. If the tracks move up by even a small amount you immediately have the lower edge of the hull dragging on the ground. And of course if the ground is at all soft the tracks will sink in a bit and then the hull is stuck in the mud.
The problem is that GW took a design that had larger tracks that extended over the edge of those plates and trimmed them back to be recessed.
Love all of these new models, I can't wait to see more photos in the coming days.
I logged on though today because I had to say this to all of the "haters" out there:
Don't get my wrong, I am the first to rag on GW for when they take influence from other artists in the sci fi world. For the record I have no love for Necrons simply because they are so much of a copy of Terminator.
But, that said, all of you that claim that the Imperial Knight concept is a theft from Warmachines/Hordes need to check your attitude and righteousness at the door.
I came on Dakka tonight to rant about this simple fact.
Warmachine was/is a spin off company that was born from people that left GW. The Warjack is a direct copy of the early titan models. The entire company is based off of an appropriation of the early designs for GW titans.
While I commend PP for their efforts to create a solid gaming platform with a large fan base, if anyone were to sit down and ask the designer who first came up with the concept of a Warjack and ask them "what was your inspiration", the answer would be an Epic Warlord Titan.
So, while I am the first to jump on the bandwagon whenever I know that GW is stealing IP from other sci-fi masters, I will also be the first to call out those companies that steal from the 40k Universe and make millions doing so.
If, as a professional artist, I was the designer, or share holder who came up with the original Warlord titan model, and I then had to watch PP press build their business model off of a direct theft of my aesthetic, I sh@t you not, the first opportunity I had to drive that companies "image" into the ground I would take it.
The concept of the "knight/warjack", was born from the early years of 40k not the other way around. I for one commend GW's efforts to reclaim this design by putting money into producing the highest quality models out there that represent a single pilot, non anime based war machine.
GW sucks for a lot of reasons, but reclaiming a concept that was originally theirs is not one of them.
Every single time that you think "that looks like a warjack" I want you to consider that a "warjack" is a direct theft from the concept for an Imperial Knight.
Everything is taken from everything else. Hell, I know some people say fan art is unoriginal, but I see it as a jumping off platform. It is a way for people to build their skills. Same with insiration, just because they took the ideas, doesnt mean that they didnt change it to fit their vision
aka_mythos wrote: Consider the land raider, next to a marine without a base the clearance of the hull is somewhere along the upper shin. Relative to a 7-8ft tall marine that implies a ground clearance of about ~1-1/2 ft which is the ball park clearance of WWII to present day armored vehicles. Leman Russ tanks and Chimeras only have more and the mechanicus vehicles seem to have as much as well as some flexibility.
This is wrong. The Land Raider has maybe an inch or two of ground clearance, and only on hard surfaces. The issue isn't the height of the center hull, it's that the side plates extend all the way to the ground. If the tracks move up by even a small amount you immediately have the lower edge of the hull dragging on the ground. And of course if the ground is at all soft the tracks will sink in a bit and then the hull is stuck in the mud.
The problem is that GW took a design that had larger tracks that extended over the edge of those plates and trimmed them back to be recessed.
Really guys? You're still worried about ground clearance on these things?
Heliodore wrote: Looks like the Archeron is based off of FW's full-resin knight and the Questoris is a hybrid kit with GW's plastic knight!
Automatically Appended Next Post: To answer the above question that is!
Great looking stuff, nice break from the Legion kits!
Makes sense ta! Guess I need both. With the rumoured HH book 4 launching soon and the new Magos model I've spent my budget for WarhammerFest already :(
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really guys? You're still worried about ground clearance on these things?
Yes, because it's such a stupid problem to have. Anyone who knows anything about how tanks work can look at a LR (or LRBT or Chimera) and see that there's an obvious problem. And it's not like GW doesn't know how to make proper tanks, the Rhino and Baneblade have proper tracks with a suspension, and even the Malcador hulls have at least a bit of ground clearance. The Land Raider is just lazy design work.
Please stop insulting Jes Goodwin. I'm sorry you don't like the design and think that it is flawed, but looking back at all the work that was put in the the update of the current land raider from it's previous version, saying it's lazy is really not knowing all the work that has been put in to it.
Please stop insulting Jes Goodwin. I'm sorry you don't like the design and think that it is flawed, but looking back at all the work that was put in the the update of the current land raider from it's previous version, saying it's lazy is really not knowing all the work that has been put in to it.
but he is right, especially compared to the mark 1 land raider at least that had ground clearance. honestly i just wish FW would release the actual mark 2, not these proteus mock versions
The concept of the "knight/warjack", was born from the early years of 40k not the other way around. I for one commend GW's efforts to reclaim this design by putting money into producing the highest quality models out there that represent a single pilot, non anime based war machine.
GW sucks for a lot of reasons, but reclaiming a concept that was originally theirs is not one of them.
Every single time that you think "that looks like a warjack" I want you to consider that a "warjack" is a direct theft from the concept for an Imperial Knight.
Please stop insulting Jes Goodwin. I'm sorry you don't like the design and think that it is flawed, but looking back at all the work that was put in the the update of the current land raider from it's previous version, saying it's lazy is really not knowing all the work that has been put in to it.
but he is right, especially compared to the mark 1 land raider at least that had ground clearance. honestly i just wish FW would release the actual mark 2, not these proteus mock versions
GW left realism and common sense behind from the beginning. I wish they were more realistic, I really do. But they are sculptors, not engineers or soldiers. And most of their target demographic just wants cool looking models, not technically feasible models driven by an understanding of physics and common sense. So, that’s why the models look the way they do. I mean, they are in fact designed by the same company that gave sniper rifles to the worst shots in the whole SM army. Chew on that for a minute… Could you really take them seriously after that? I just look for models I like and play games when I can.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really guys? You're still worried about ground clearance on these things?
Yes, because it's such a stupid problem to have. Anyone who knows anything about how tanks work can look at a LR (or LRBT or Chimera) and see that there's an obvious problem. And it's not like GW doesn't know how to make proper tanks, the Rhino and Baneblade have proper tracks with a suspension, and even the Malcador hulls have at least a bit of ground clearance. The Land Raider is just lazy design work.
It's a reference to the WW1 British tanks (Mark IV etc.) that had no suspension and pretty minimal clearance. It was designed to crawl across mud, craters and trenches at 5 km/h, so it didn't need such fancy things. Smaller tanks of the same era, like Renault FT, did actually have a suspension, though.
The ram at the front is actually a ramming weapon if I recall correctly from the draft rules revealed earlier this year so it doe have an actual purpose.
Yes, it's a giant ram filled with anbaric lightning generators and matter-disruption fields akin to those used on power weapons.
Shock Ram
"-When conducting a Ram attack, or being Rammed, the Triaros counts its Front Armour as having an Armour value of 15 and, in addition, rolls once on the Haywire table in addition to any damage it causes normally while ramming or being rammed from the front arc.
When conducting tank shocks, any tank-shocked unit suffers D6 Str6 AP5 hits in addition to resolving the tank shock as normal. The Shock Ram is not counted as a separate weapon and cannot be affected by Weapon Destroyed results."
Page 224, Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination, Taghmata Omnissiah Armylist.
Davespil wrote: Yay! Another contemptor... How about they release those new knights and the riptide now.
The ones that just got announced?
Patience grasshopper!
The knight with the flammer has been floating around for a few weeks.
And if they are selling them tomorrow at their convention then they should be ready for preorder.
Following the trend set by the other knights and the Dimachaeron, I would say the Stuff coming for up for sale at the open day would be at least the next two weeks releases
Damn, and I thought I had enough guard well time to sell a kidney Forgeworld you are my resin crack dealer you keep me broke lol. The mech army is the new hotness impressed I must say.
Essentially, an unsaved wound will cause an additional hit. The extra hits cannot generate more hits. Most Volkite guns are AP5, but the Carronade on the Legion Glaive is AP2 (and it's a 1" wide, 48" long template).
I doubt the Volkite Knight is carrying the same gun the Glaive has, though.
Well, IIRC the next book is a toolkit for players to forge their own narratives in the HH era. Maybe they've come up with some angles for DIY marines in that era? The Word Bearers have different chapters within the Legion.
gorgon wrote: Well, IIRC the next book is a toolkit for players to forge their own narratives in the HH era. Maybe they've come up with some angles for DIY marines in that era? The Word Bearers have different chapters within the Legion.
Could "Legion 0" also refer to the original Space Marines Legion appearance when they were first founded, with armor that was just plain grey adorned only with the lightning bolt symbols?
Probably the most over-the-top mechanicusy model ever cast, out mechanicusing the already mechanicus-overload Archmagos. Tentacles! Servo Skulls! Servo Skulls on Tentacles! More mechadendrites than a Shunga print. Weird animal skull mask, though.
No-one's going to mistake these bad boys for regular ol' Imperial Knights; they've had a thorough mechanicusing. Volkite Cannon, BOOM!, Power Fist, POW! Lighting Cannon! ZAP!
Skull head a vast improvement on the single cyclops eye head that no one is ever going to use. The secondary weapons bays give me pause as well.
Triaros Armoured Conveyer 8/10
Not a fan of the Mechanicus vehicles in general; the side-track things seem a little lazy and the WW1 tank theme has been done to death already. Was hoping for slightly weirder Mechanicus vehicles, but sure.
It's got an impressive prow...
I know they're pretty much a perfect tribute/resculpt of the old RT Robots but those insect heads look daft. Headswaps incoming, for sure. Also, 1 of each weapon type on the carapace again?
Solid additions to the current Codex which add much needed diversity. Mechanicum can now be pretty much fielded as a full on 40k army since we have all the models now.
Ugh, I really wanted something cooler for the Vorax. I suppose in every Army there have to be a couple of dud models.
I haven't been seeing any other painted armies other than mine recently though. Where are all the mechanicus players?
It would be nice to know more about "Legion 0" - surely someone must know something?
Pure speculation (haven't read the HH books and also don't know what they have changed/added in the HH for a few years): Didn't the Emperor run around with marines before he found the Primarchs? Could they be some sort of proto-legion that was used to seed the others (and probably not the two missing legions).
It would be nice to know more about "Legion 0" - surely someone must know something?
Pure speculation (haven't read the HH books and also don't know what they have changed/added in the HH for a few years): Didn't the Emperor run around with marines before he found the Primarchs? Could they be some sort of proto-legion that was used to seed the others (and probably not the two missing legions).
He ran around with proto-Marines during the Unification Wars, before he started the Primarch project.
The infamous "Thunder Warriors".
Once he made the Primarchs, and then lost them, he used their geneseed/DNA/etc. to create 'true' marines, but by then, they were Space Marines and were definitely known by the name of whatever legion their Primarch was from.
d-usa wrote:My best guess would be loyalist survivors of the traitor legion, possibly a pre-Grey Knights legion.
I love the new Archmagos but I know deep in my heart I will have to sell my soul and/internal organs to get it and than deal with how hideously miscast it might end up (that is a ton of small parts)
Alpharius wrote: Once he made the Primarchs, and then lost them, he used their geneseed/DNA/etc. to create 'true' marines, but by then, they were Space Marines and were definitely known by the name of whatever legion their Primarch was from.
My knowledge of the 30K era comes from the Forgeworld books, not the Black Library. IIRC, the 20 Legions originally had no names at all (names were eventually given to them based on their actions), but were simply numbered at the start. I think they also all looked the same: grey armor bearing the lightning bolt emblem. Of course, the pictures shown in this thread show the Legion 0 marine in MkIV armor, so certainly can't be from the start of the Great Crusade. So, I'm guessing it will be likely that this Legion 0 will be loyalist elements of the traitor legions, who have given up the markings of the former legions, like d-usa suggests.
Alpharius wrote: Once he made the Primarchs, and then lost them, he used their geneseed/DNA/etc. to create 'true' marines, but by then, they were Space Marines and were definitely known by the name of whatever legion their Primarch was from.
My knowledge of the 30K era comes from the Forgeworld books, not the Black Library. IIRC, the 20 Legions originally had no names at all (names were eventually given to them based on their actions), but were simply numbered at the start. I think they also all looked the same: grey armor bearing the lightning bolt emblem. Of course, the pictures shown in this thread show the Legion 0 marine in MkIV armor, so certainly can't be from the start of the Great Crusade. So, I'm guessing it will be likely that this Legion 0 will be loyalist elements of the traitor legions, who have given up the markings of the former legions, like d-usa suggests.
Isn't the history if the Grey Knights that they picked the loyalist survivors and started that before the heresy was even over? That's what makes me think that they are something along that line. No crazy anti-demon psykers yet, but the beginning of the force that was selected to be the first of the Grey Knights.
Moopy wrote: The new guard and AdMech items look wonderful!
The Raven Guard Contemptor? Goofy. Swirly pattern makes zero sense.
The pattern makes sense in the 30K setting. But I think it might hurt it for 40k sales.
Could you point me to it? I've read a lot of 30k but I've missed this. The rivets are spot on, but the swoopy-doopy weirdo lines all over it don't make sense.
Alpharius wrote: Once he made the Primarchs, and then lost them, he used their geneseed/DNA/etc. to create 'true' marines, but by then, they were Space Marines and were definitely known by the name of whatever legion their Primarch was from.
My knowledge of the 30K era comes from the Forgeworld books, not the Black Library. IIRC, the 20 Legions originally had no names at all (names were eventually given to them based on their actions), but were simply numbered at the start. I think they also all looked the same: grey armor bearing the lightning bolt emblem. Of course, the pictures shown in this thread show the Legion 0 marine in MkIV armor, so certainly can't be from the start of the Great Crusade. So, I'm guessing it will be likely that this Legion 0 will be loyalist elements of the traitor legions, who have given up the markings of the former legions, like d-usa suggests.
Isn't the history if the Grey Knights that they picked the loyalist survivors and started that before the heresy was even over? That's what makes me think that they are something along that line. No crazy anti-demon psykers yet, but the beginning of the force that was selected to be the first of the Grey Knights.
Moopy wrote: The new guard and AdMech items look wonderful!
The Raven Guard Contemptor? Goofy. Swirly pattern makes zero sense.
The pattern makes sense in the 30K setting. But I think it might hurt it for 40k sales.
Could you point me to it? I've read a lot of 30k but I've missed this. The rivets are spot on, but the swoopy-doopy weirdo lines all over it don't make sense.
The pattern on the Raven Guard contemptor to me strongly resembles indigenous Australian rock paintings, and I'm pretty sure the Raven Guard now have an Australasian/Oceanian tribal heritage as of HH3 (not read that far yet)
Put the pictures I made yesterday up in de gallery
Knights (volkire and lightninggun)
Solarite Auxilia
More stuff in my gallery
Had a chat with Edgar about the solarite auxilia. Started as a personal project, but wil now be fleshed out to a complete army. First kit to be released very soon wil be a 20 man strong troop unit. on show were a volkite armed and flamer armed solarite, also in his concept book was a command squad. Bassed on napoleonics and colonialist troops, veterans to retake a world and act as bodyguards for the new planatary gouvenar. Asked about roughriders, he want to make them but they are still a way off.
Tannhauser42 wrote: IIRC, the 20 Legions originally had no names at all (names were eventually given to them based on their actions)
Actually, the Legions had their own names prior to reuniting with their Primarchs. For example, the World Eaters were originally known as the War Hounds(?).
Had a chat with Edgar about the solarite auxilia. Started as a personal project, but wil now be fleshed out to a complete army. First kit to be released very soon wil be a 20 man strong troop unit. on show were a volkite armed and flamer armed solarite, also in his concept book was a command squad. Bassed on napoleonics and colonialist troops, veterans to retake a world and act as bodyguards for the new planatary gouvenar. Asked about roughriders, he want to make them but they are still a way off.
If by rough riders you mean imperial army on bikes and jetbikes, then i do hope they come sooner rather then later
Tannhauser42 wrote: IIRC, the 20 Legions originally had no names at all (names were eventually given to them based on their actions)
Actually, the Legions had their own names prior to reuniting with their Primarchs. For example, the World Eaters were originally known as the War Hounds(?).
Actually, Tannhauser is correct- originally they were referred to only by the Legion Numeral. The Legion specific names were earned as battle honours: the Luna Wolves earned that name after the pacification of the Gene-cults on the Moon, the Imperial Fists were so called as the aftermath of one of their battles was said to leave the area so devastated that the Emperor himself had grasped it in his fist, the Dusk Raiders traditionally attacked at Dusk. Not all Legions gained unique names prior to being reunited with their Primarchs either- the Iron Warriors had no official name prior to Purturabo naming them, although they were unofficially called the Corpse Grinders by their allied Imperial Army units. This name was censored due to morale concerns however.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On another note, the Solar units are referred to as Sections, which is interesting. I wonder if they are going to have a more British Army style of organisation, maybe Corporals will lead sqauds.
The mechanicum stuff is looking great. I'm getting really tempted to get that volkite toting knight.
The Solarite Auxilia look better and better the more FW works on them. They have such better styling that goes with their vehicles. It just emphasizes how aesthetically weak Cadians are.
Not sure if you noticed, but GW actually produces a few other games besides Space Marines (or as some call it, Warhammer 40,000). One of those is Warhammer Fantasy, and they actually have a huge expansion rolling out right now simply rife with opportunity for cool new models (TK Hierotitan, Dwarf Golem, High Elf Dragon Rider Units, just to name a few). Please think about making something else for Warhammer Fantasy in the near future. Thanks!
Had a chat with Edgar about the solarite auxilia. Started as a personal project, but wil now be fleshed out to a complete army. First kit to be released very soon wil be a 20 man strong troop unit. on show were a volkite armed and flamer armed solarite, also in his concept book was a command squad. Bassed on napoleonics and colonialist troops, veterans to retake a world and act as bodyguards for the new planatary gouvenar. Asked about roughriders, he want to make them but they are still a way off.
If by rough riders you mean imperial army on bikes and jetbikes, then i do hope they come sooner rather then later
Didn't ask explicitly but I can't see these guy's riding horseback.
I could so see these guys on horseback. Many of their styling draw from 1900 diving suits an era where cavalry was still prevalent and aren't any bulkier than medieval knights. These appear to be conventional non-marine forces that followed the Emperor into the Galaxy. More than other rough riders it'd make sense they'd have horses.
Warhammer 40,000 scale Titan Tech Priest. 9 part resin model including Boltpistol armed Servo Skull, cast on an integral terrain base. This model is perfectly suited to represent Magos Reductor Calleb Decima from The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal. Model designed by Simon Egan and Will Hayes.
The bit in bold is new. They have basically just stated that this is the official model for Calleb Decima, before that it only happened to be the spitting image of the picture for Calleb in Book 1.
Moopy wrote: The new guard and AdMech items look wonderful!
The Raven Guard Contemptor? Goofy. Swirly pattern makes zero sense.
The pattern makes sense in the 30K setting. But I think it might hurt it for 40k sales.
Could you point me to it? I've read a lot of 30k but I've missed this. The rivets are spot on, but the swoopy-doopy weirdo lines all over it don't make sense.
They introduced it in the 3rd book.
Interesting, I'll have to revisit that.
However, the design problem persists- that swirly pattern isn't replicated anywhere else through the Ravenguard designs. It's a one-off and those feel out of place.
In Book 3, every Raven Guard image in their fluff section has the artwork on the armour somewhere, so I don't think it is going to be a one-off for long. I think it is meant to be a hold-over of the Legion's original Terran culture, which could explain why it isn't really seen on 40k Raven Guard. Even so, there are Marines from Deliverance in Book 3 that have the art work on them, so maybe it was part of the Terran culture that appealed to the Lycaens.
You know I never put Australian and raven guard together, but just rethinking how deliverance was a prison moon, and Australia was a prison island it all makes sense now . Now we aboriginal tribal markings are making more sense as I always thought raven guard were more Native American heritage.
Hmm, the Triaros Armoured Conveyor might just be the most powerful dedicated transport in 30k;
For 135 points you get AV 14(!) / 12 / 12, 4 HP and Flare Shield, which reduces Template weapons by -2 and other weapons by -1, effectively leaving you immune to front-arc firepower that isn't within Melta range. Even Vindicators need 6s to just glance you. Heck, you're immune to Meltas outside of melta range, including the Magna Melta on the Questoris Knight Errant.
The ram is just icing on the cake. Transport Capacity 20 as well...
You can take a HQ upgrade that gives all your vehicles IWND.
Mech Mechanicus is a fearsome thing... in 40k you can get Obj Secured AV 14 spam...
Yep, the Triaros is nice. The problem with it, however, is that the Mechanicum army list is even more starved for points than the Legion list is. Apart from the Tech-Thralls, just about everything in the Mechanicum list is expensive.
Alpharius wrote: It might be what we can expect moving forward though, right?
Maybe we'll see it on a lot of the RG characters from HH3?
Maybe even on Corax himself?
I'm actually not looking forward to Corax. I don't like his jump pack (giant wing bits just don't do anything for me, or the hair do for that matter lol)
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: Hmm, the Triaros Armoured Conveyor might just be the most powerful dedicated transport in 30k;
For 135 points you get AV 14(!) / 12 / 12, 4 HP and Flare Shield, which reduces Template weapons by -2 and other weapons by -1, effectively leaving you immune to front-arc firepower that isn't within Melta range. Even Vindicators need 6s to just glance you. Heck, you're immune to Meltas outside of melta range, including the Magna Melta on the Questoris Knight Errant.
The ram is just icing on the cake. Transport Capacity 20 as well...
You can take a HQ upgrade that gives all your vehicles IWND.
Mech Mechanicus is a fearsome thing... in 40k you can get Obj Secured AV 14 spam...
I think mech Land Raiders in Book 1 (they are dedicated transports in the Ordo Reductor list) can give them a run for their money though. Granted they start at 195pts and have a lower transport capacity, but for sheer durability, it can exceed the Triaros. With the upgrades available to it, it can be AV 14 14 14, 4 HP, with a flare shield, extra armour, immunity to the melta special rule (making it almost invulnerable from the front), a 4+ sv vs immobilised results and an inbuilt Anbaric claw, which provides decent anti-assault defence and a bonus to ramming. Not to mention the awesome weapons available to the tank. This does make for an expensive tank though, but its pretty damn tough, especially considering it can be carrying models which can repair any damage it does take.
Hmm, I find it a bit annoying that they've come up with a new Dark Mechanicum named character model, without making a model for Satareal who already has rules in Book 3. I guess the thinking was that Satareal was too big to be also used as a Magos on Abeyant, and with this they can kill 2 birds with one stone, for not much extra effort (an extra head and 4 gun swaps). Also, whilst I think the model looks cool, the Abeyant is HUGE! Makes converting/scratch-building one a lot harder.
The Magos Domius with Rad-Cleanser, designed by Mark Bedford, is a complete resin kit and includes a Magos Dominus equipped with a volkite serpenta, cortex controller, abeyant and the option of a rad/irad-cleanser or sensor skull.
So this guy has an Abeyant too, despite probably being able to ride the other Abeyant. So you can mount your Magi on 60mm or 40mm bases by the looks of it.
I think the metal case the Magos Dominus hangs from is the Abeyant in the older model, it is just a far less impressive version of the huge platform thingy.
The Archmagos is brilliant though. It's the bizarre mix of technology and the decaying remains of nature that is present in a lot of the artwork and background that brought me into 40k in the first place and Forge World's models do a great job of capturing that tone.
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
Not really. Luther was quite the badass when he fought the Lion. Chaos pumped him up a lot.
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
Not really. Luther was quite the badass when he fought the Lion. Chaos pumped him up a lot.
This. I personally think that the Lion/Luther fight was a lesser version of the Emperor/Horus fight, and that the whole fallen angels thing was a smaller heresy.
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
Not really. Luther was quite the badass when he fought the Lion. Chaos pumped him up a lot.
They could just have it so you could use Kruze or Luther. Wouldn't be that hard to make them both fit with Lion's base to form a mini diorama.
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
Not really. Luther was quite the badass when he fought the Lion. Chaos pumped him up a lot.
They could just have it so you could use Kruze or Luther. Wouldn't be that hard to make them both fit with Lion's base to form a mini diorama.
Since we're likely seeing two versions of each of the primarchs it'd make more sense to have differently posed Lions for each if they were doing both and sell two completely different dioramas
angelofvengeance wrote: I wonder if Night Haunter and the Lion are going to be like the Fulgrim/Ferrus duel set up? Or do we think Luther will be more likely?
The Kurze/Jonson duel seems more appropriate for the character series, Luther is basically small beer
Not really. Luther was quite the badass when he fought the Lion. Chaos pumped him up a lot.
They could just have it so you could use Kruze or Luther. Wouldn't be that hard to make them both fit with Lion's base to form a mini diorama.
except it'd make more since having Konrad Curze against Vulkan given when the book 'Vulkan Lives' is set
Haighus wrote: Hmm, I find it a bit annoying that they've come up with a new Dark Mechanicum named character model, without making a model for Satareal who already has rules in Book 3. I guess the thinking was that Satareal was too big to be also used as a Magos on Abeyant, and with this they can kill 2 birds with one stone, for not much extra effort (an extra head and 4 gun swaps). Also, whilst I think the model looks cool, the Abeyant is HUGE! Makes converting/scratch-building one a lot harder.
The Magos Domius with Rad-Cleanser, designed by Mark Bedford, is a complete resin kit and includes a Magos Dominus equipped with a volkite serpenta, cortex controller, abeyant and the option of a rad/irad-cleanser or sensor skull.
So this guy has an Abeyant too, despite probably being able to ride the other Abeyant. So you can mount your Magi on 60mm or 40mm bases by the looks of it.
That guy is riding something that looks very similar to a miniature version of the Archmagos' Abeyant. Massacre describes them as "a name given to a general class of hovering conveyances into which the rider's augments and life supports are directly connected through bionic linkage, so that the machine-vehicle becomes an extension of their own body". It confers +1 Wound, Very Bulky, Hardened Armour, Move Through Cover, and It Will Not Die.
Oh, and Perturabo. The bestest best Primarch ever!
You misspelt "Rogal Dorn".
And his Templar Brethren!
I think this might be the third time I say it in this thread, but when Sigismund finally shows up I'm going to have a fourth Emperor's Champion that I don't know what to do with. Guess I'll have to run him as a CM with Burning Blade or something.
The first Forge World European Open Day took place in Amsterdam last weekend and it was fantastic, and I know I wasn’t the only one who thought so! Thank you to everyone who made the trip to join us at Amsterdam. Everybody who came along got to speak to the Writers and Designers from the Forge World Studio, and plenty of you took the chance to get hold of some of the awesome new models available on the day, such as Archmagos Draykavac and the Triaros Armoured Conveyor.
The first Forge World European Open Day drew in hobbyists from across Europe and beyond.
Matt Murphy Kane giving a painting demonstration.
It won’t be too long until you get the opportunity again to chat with members of the Forge World Studio and see what they’ve been up to, this time in the UK at Warhammer Fest. The Forge World Writers and Designers will be there in force showing off their latest work, plus we’ll have a load of new products for you to buy at the event too.
Edgar Skomorowski discussed his latest designs at the European Open Day.
Speaking of products that will be available at Warhammer Fest, we expect to be launching our new Solar Auxilia range over that weekend. These Imperial army troops for the Horus Heresy, designed by Edgar Skomorowski, will be on sale for the first time ever, along with other units for this new faction! We're sure this new range is going to be incredibly popular so if you want to be one of the first people in the world to get your hands on them grab a ticket for Warhammer Fest today!
Troops for the Solar Auxilia Lasrifle Section.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
i am actuely paying attention to forgeworld now, my order of cataphracts just arrived today so I am waiting to see if they release nything to do with them. or I'l just buy some power axes for them.
Would love to see the new knights released Friday with all of their rules and the Castigator's rules as well. But it will probably be another contemptor. Apparently you can't have too many of those...
Theophony wrote: Can't tell if that's the black Templar cross on its right ankle or not. But thanks for the pic
It probably is- the Black Templars cross was originally a Veterans honour in the Imperial Fists Legion. The images of Imperial Fists in Book 3, particularly the Terminators, have several on them.
I like the Contemptor, fits in with the IF torso upgrades nicely.
I am really looking forward to paint my first Imperial Fists when their special units come out, but I am also afraid of that damned yellow paint ... it might take a few test miniatures to come up with acceptable results.
I think we're all forgetting the most important question:
What creature's face does does the head space resemble when the helmet's removed?
I see a fish.
On a more serious note I can't believe this pic has only surfaced now, thank you Dinamarth. This is definitely one of the best Contemptors and beats other recent efforts with ease. It has enough bling and iconography that you know who it belongs to and to make it look like a venerable warmachine, then it stops.
Interesting that it has the Imperial Raptor on one knee. Are they making that a primarily Fists thing The only other example of that iconography I can think of so far is one of the Fists upgrade torsos. Also are those little castles either side of the (very cool looking) head?
What creature's face does does the head space resemble when the helmet's removed?
I see a fish.
On a more serious note I can't believe this pic has only surfaced now, thank you Dinamarth. This is definitely one of the best Contemptors and beats other recent efforts with ease. It has enough bling and iconography that you know who it belongs to and to make it look like a venerable warmachine, then it stops.
Interesting that it has the Imperial Raptor on one knee. Are they making that a primarily Fists thing The only other example of that iconography I can think of so far is one of the Fists upgrade torsos. Also are those little castles either side of the (very cool looking) head?
I agree that it has a good amount of iconography without being obnoxious. Its going to look great in blue with a big red fist. Thank you for posting the pic. I really did look everywhere for it.
The raptor's head and/or crossed thunderbolts are the campagnmarkings of the Unification Wars, marking the wearer as a veteran of the wars on Terra and the following pacification of the Sol system.
STC_LogisEngine wrote: The raptor's head and/or crossed thunderbolts are the campagnmarkings of the Unification Wars, marking the wearer as a veteran of the wars on Terra and the following pacification of the Sol system.
Yep, but the only representation of it on actual miniatures thus far is seen on IF models/parts. Unless I'm mistaken?
STC_LogisEngine wrote: The raptor's head and/or crossed thunderbolts are the campagnmarkings of the Unification Wars, marking the wearer as a veteran of the wars on Terra and the following pacification of the Sol system.
Yep, but the only representation of it on actual miniatures thus far is seen on IF models/parts. Unless I'm mistaken?
There are thunderbolts on some of the generic armour sets, they're using them more on the IF models as the IF have a closer relationship to Terra in the fluff than most of the other legions so it's probably just a nod to that.
Those are Leman Russ Executioners, with a plasma cannon armament. The main character in the book is the tank commander of one. The fire is from plasma igniting the area I think. It is in the aftermath of a virus bomb attack that was not ignited into a firestorm from space, so the atmosphere itself is flammable.
On the far right? It is a Legion Spartan I think. The Orange ray gun muzzle flash is actually a volkite weapon, if you look closely (this image is my computer desktop, so I've studied it pretty hard...).
Given that there's an image of some armed with lasrifles rather than Hellguns, I'm thinking more that they're just regular guardsmen wearing carapace armour (ie like the old Grenadier Doctrine). So technically the same as Stormtroopers stats and equipment wise, but with different organisation and weapons options maybe. Ah, yeah, but pure speculation of course.
The Castigator rules are cool- the sword is effectively a volkite close combat weapon. Combined with stomp, this thing is really the bane of horde units. Also, any light vehicles that get in range of that bolt cannon are toast, S7 heavy 8!
Tempest Attack gives the Castigator a hit against everything in base contact at I2 (ie. After Pile in for most things!) and deflagrate then does extra hits for each wound. The Knights have a proper anti horde unit now!
For the Castigator without the D weapon for CC he's going to fall down to any other Knight before he swings. That said I like him. I think he fills a small niche in the Knight world currently at being support for crushing hordes of models. I wish the cannon was AP2 to give you a chance at popping AV12 vehicles without stripping HP's or a slightly lower cost but I like him. He'll fit in nicely with my other knights
He's still S10 with re-rolls on armour penetration in CC.. he will at least do some damage against the other knight and when he dies he has a good chance of finishing it off!
Do any of you think that the glut of 30k stuff will end at some point? Personally, I have quite a bit of disposable income that could be thrown at FW if they ever decide to release new xenos stuff....ever.
I bought a Lancer and Castigator just because I like big, stompy robots but I'd kind of like to see something other than yet another IG/AM army.
I like the rules for the Castigator a lot. Definitely pleasantly surprised with the direction they took with the sword - since Strength D is the limit, I was unsure how they would make a power sword equivalent relative to the Knight's existing chainsword equivalent - but, as it turns out, it's actually a fire sword instead of a power sword! That's interesting, cool, and the rules are good. In short, core GW could learn a lot from FW.
Didn't notice the twin-link. Good catch. I'm now less unhappy with the point cost. Without the TL he does far less damage to most units than the dual battle cannon knight. With TL he's better against spaced opponents.
agnosto wrote: Do any of you think that the glut of 30k stuff will end at some point? Personally, I have quite a bit of disposable income that could be thrown at FW if they ever decide to release new xenos stuff....ever.
I bought a Lancer and Castigator just because I like big, stompy robots but I'd kind of like to see something other than yet another IG/AM army.
I sure hope not.. FW is the only ones putting serious thought into their own lore when developing models.. instead of santa logans and murderfangs
Was rather hoping the Castigator would be more of an answer to the knights' lack of anti-air capabilities, but the twin-linked isn't awful. With no stubber to fire at a ground target, though it will be a rare circumstance where I'd forego shooting at something that can be charged to maybe strip two HP's from a flier.
Paradigm wrote: Tempest Attack gives the Castigator a hit against everything in base contact at I2 (ie. After Pile in for most things!) and deflagrate then does extra hits for each wound. The Knights have a proper anti horde unit now!
Does Deflagrate work with Tempest attack though? The wording doesn't indicate it does.
Why wouldn't it? Would sunder no longer be applicable if one of the models in base contact was a dread? It does say "...suffers a single hit using the weapon's listed profile." Are those rules not part of the profile?
Paradigm wrote: Tempest Attack gives the Castigator a hit against everything in base contact at I2 (ie. After Pile in for most things!) and deflagrate then does extra hits for each wound. The Knights have a proper anti horde unit now!
Does Deflagrate work with Tempest attack though? The wording doesn't indicate it does.
I can't see why it wouldn't, as it's a special rule attached to the weapon. However, Deflagrate says 'after normal attacks have been made...' And Tempest says 'instead of attacking normally...'
You may be on to something, but I take Normal in Deflagrate to mean 'not a Stomp/HoW hit, but an attack made with WS ect'. So, confusing wording or deliberate distinction from FW?
Paradigm wrote: Tempest Attack gives the Castigator a hit against everything in base contact at I2 (ie. After Pile in for most things!) and deflagrate then does extra hits for each wound. The Knights have a proper anti horde unit now!
Does Deflagrate work with Tempest attack though? The wording doesn't indicate it does.
I can't see why it wouldn't, as it's a special rule attached to the weapon. However, Deflagrate says 'after normal attacks have been made...' And Tempest says 'instead of attacking normally...'
You may be on to something, but I take Normal in Deflagrate to mean 'not a Stomp/HoW hit, but an attack made with WS ect'. So, confusing wording or deliberate distinction from FW?
That's what I'm not sure of. Honestly, I think having TA+Deflgrate is fine, but the wording here seems rather deliberate. May be worth an email to FW.
Actually I think this is pretty clear.
"Tempest Attack: Rather than attacking normally, "
This is telling you that the tempest attack is not a normal attack.
Where the deflagrate is used in conjunction with normal attacks.
"Deflagrate: After normal attacks "
So I would say you can not use the Deflagrade special rule after using the "Tempest Attack". It is an either/or choice.
Nicorex wrote: Actually I think this is pretty clear.
"Tempest Attack: Rather than attacking normally, "
This is telling you that the tempest attack is not a normal attack.
Where the deflagrate is used in conjunction with normal attacks.
"Deflagrate: After normal attacks "
So I would say you can not use the Deflagrade special rule after using the "Tempest Attack". It is an either/or choice.
Tempest Attack does say you use the profile of the weapon and Deflagrate is a special rule of that weapon, part of the profile. I see no reason why it shouldn't trigger.
I sure hope not.. FW is the only ones putting serious thought into their own lore when developing models.. instead of santa logans and murderfangs
And I like that, I just would like to see them spread the love to some xenos instead making yet another IoM tank. I suppose it all goes down to giving people what they want and most people seem to want IoM stuff but I'd like to see them revisit the xenos. I'd like to see something completely different than a reworked Riptide or oh look, another MC for Tyranids.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: Pretty damned good- It's even quite decent against Thunderwolf Cavalry, currently the premier Knight hunting unit. LoW restricts to one though, sadly
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: Pretty damned good- It's even quite decent against Thunderwolf Cavalry, currently the premier Knight hunting unit. LoW restricts to one though, sadly
Unless you run Knights as your Primary.
Or just run a Castigator alongside an Errant/Paladin in a Knight detachment if people are funny about LoW. Remember, you can take as many detachments as you like now.
The thing with deflagrate not working with tempest attack means tempest is not worth even considering until you have at least 8 models in base contact.
Pretty much. Maybe you'd use if you're in base contact with a number of vehicles?
Theis wrote: Was rather hoping the Castigator would be more of an answer to the knights' lack of anti-air capabilities, but the twin-linked isn't awful. With no stubber to fire at a ground target, though it will be a rare circumstance where I'd forego shooting at something that can be charged to maybe strip two HP's from a flier.
Other knight classes are more suited to being adapted by FW for that role. The Crusader/Castellan and Warden are more of the dedicated shooting platforms. If you read the margins of the various pieces of concept art FW has done those variants name creep up often; so I don't think its a stretch to imagine that we'll get it when they do those guys.
I think the most suited design would be one based on one of the Epic Wardens; that little mini has two gatling guns and a missile pod all pointing into the air.
aka_mythos wrote: Pretty much. Maybe you'd use if you're in base contact with a number of vehicles?
Theis wrote: Was rather hoping the Castigator would be more of an answer to the knights' lack of anti-air capabilities, but the twin-linked isn't awful. With no stubber to fire at a ground target, though it will be a rare circumstance where I'd forego shooting at something that can be charged to maybe strip two HP's from a flier.
Other knight classes are more suited to being adapted by FW for that role. The Crusader/Castellan and Warden are more of the dedicated shooting platforms. If you read the margins of the various pieces of concept art FW has done those variants name creep up often; so I don't think its a stretch to imagine that we'll get it when they do those guys.
I think the most suited design would be one based on one of the Epic Wardens; that little mini has two gatling guns and a missile pod all pointing into the air.
Didn't get into the hobby until 4th edition. So, while I've read of those platforms, and most anything I came across regarding them, for some reason they're never really in mind when I start thinking about knights. Appreciate the reminder.
I'm liking the Cerastus chassis knights so far. Getting one of each knight they release is going to get spendy though.
I'm liking the Cerastus chassis knights so far. Getting one of each knight they release is going to get spendy though.
Tell me about it. I had to put a hold on buying a Mechanicus army just to buy the plastic Knights. What we've seen now will probably eat my budget until this time next year.
Tannhauser42 wrote: The thing with deflagrate not working with tempest attack means tempest is not worth even considering until you have at least 8 models in base contact.
Your not thinking about tanking characters though. Say Draigo is in BtB, with the tempest attack you hit him once then every other guy thus mitigating his ability to soak all your damage. It's actually a great way around tanking characters like him or SM chapter masters.
You are looking at around a Hull Point of damage in one volley against an AV12 flyer. 1 1/2 against AV10, with ~ a 1 in 10 chance of one-hit killing it by immobilising it and it failing the test to downgrade to... shaken I think. Still, its better than what you are currently looking at with Heavy Stubbers as the only available option for Knights atm.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really guys? You're still worried about ground clearance on these things?
Yes, because it's such a stupid problem to have. Anyone who knows anything about how tanks work can look at a LR (or LRBT or Chimera) and see that there's an obvious problem. And it's not like GW doesn't know how to make proper tanks, the Rhino and Baneblade have proper tracks with a suspension, and even the Malcador hulls have at least a bit of ground clearance. The Land Raider is just lazy design work.
Yeah, I have to say that even after all these years I still wince a little when I look at the "suspension" on a Land Raider or Leman Russ. Since they have a tendency to go back and "do-over" old kits, I still hope that one day they'll fix it up (especially on the Russ and Chimera chassis). It won't do crap for the many tanks that many of us have, but at least it'd be a sign of moving forward somewhat.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really guys? You're still worried about ground clearance on these things?
Yes, because it's such a stupid problem to have. Anyone who knows anything about how tanks work can look at a LR (or LRBT or Chimera) and see that there's an obvious problem. And it's not like GW doesn't know how to make proper tanks, the Rhino and Baneblade have proper tracks with a suspension, and even the Malcador hulls have at least a bit of ground clearance. The Land Raider is just lazy design work.
Yeah, I have to say that even after all these years I still wince a little when I look at the "suspension" on a Land Raider or Leman Russ. Since they have a tendency to go back and "do-over" old kits, I still hope that one day they'll fix it up (especially on the Russ and Chimera chassis). It won't do crap for the many tanks that many of us have, but at least it'd be a sign of moving forward somewhat.
The point that's been made over and over again is that there's nothing to "fix", it's an aesthetic choice to evoke WW1 landships, and it's a choice a lot of us like.
Yodhrin wrote: The point that's been made over and over again is that there's nothing to "fix", it's an aesthetic choice to evoke WW1 landships, and it's a choice a lot of us like.
No, it's just bad design. Look at this WWI tank:
It doesn't have any suspension and has the obsolete wrap-around tracks, but at least the tracks are wider than the side of the hull so you won't have the side of the tank digging into the ground. Now look at the Macharius:
Same track style, no problems. Now how about a Malcador:
Still clearly going for the "WWI landship" look, but at least has a bit of ground clearance. Now what about a Land Raider?
See the problem now? The tracks are narrower than the sides of the tank and sunk down into the gap, so on anything other than a perfectly flat paved surface the tracks will dig in a bit and the side of the tank will be dragging along the ground. This is just plain stupid design, and the only reason to do it this way is if you're too lazy to figure out how to make visible wheels underneath the tracks work properly. And here's a bonus, the old Land Raider that the current one replaced:
It's still a pretty bad model that deserved to be replaced, but even that version managed to do better than the current one!
Let's try not to apply logic to a game in which shooting someone with a giant cannon is less powerful than punching them in the face with a fist sometimes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But yeah, these designs are fine and complaining about the ground clearance on these things is a waste of energy.
I understand that GW is never going to change them and therefore complaining isn't going to accomplish anything, but that doesn't make the LR/Chimera/LRBT good designs. It's a stupid mistake and we should get better work for the obscene prices GW charges.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: Let's try not to apply logic to a game in which shooting someone with a giant cannon is less powerful than punching them in the face with a fist sometimes.
It's not about applying strict realism, it's about what looks good as a model. For example, I know that a Valkyrie would never be able to fly in the real world, but it still looks cool because you have to really think about it to notice the flaws. Similarly, the Baneblade (especially the old FW version) is an awesome model because even though it has some design flaws it at least looks like it would be capable of moving and shooting without destroying itself. The LR/Chimera/LRBT tracks, on the other hand, just stand out as obviously wrong. It's like if GW made a new space marine model with one arm missing: it's less "rule of cool" and more "the designer has no clue how a tank works".
BrookM wrote: What does the fluff say about these things? Are they fast-moving hunter killers or something like that?
They're fast attack hunter killer robots. Background has them as dedicated search and destroy machines hunting down rogue machines and vermin. Armed with two rotor cannons and a lightning gun, they're t6 s6 Monstrous Creatures with fleet and scout. Can be bought as a maniple of 5.
They're basically a re-envisioning of the old Crusader robots.
zedmeister wrote: They're fast attack hunter killer robots. Background has them as dedicated search and destroy machines hunting down rogue machines and vermin. Armed with two rotor cannons and a lightning gun, they're t6 s6 Monstrous Creatures with fleet and scout. Can be bought as a maniple of 5.
I'm quite liking the sort of insectile head they've done for this. I'm sure we'll see some freaky weapon options for these I think it's on a Dreadnought sized base, though I could be mistaken.
The rules are in Book 3. Yeah, I think it is on a 60mm base. The only weapon options currently are that the lightning gun can be replaced with an Irad cleanser. Still, 2 rotor cannons, a lightning gun and power blades is pretty neat.
zedmeister wrote: They're fast attack hunter killer robots. Background has them as dedicated search and destroy machines hunting down rogue machines and vermin. Armed with two rotor cannons and a lightning gun, they're t6 s6 Monstrous Creatures with fleet and scout. Can be bought as a maniple of 5.
Where are the rules for these things?
HH Book 3: Extermination. They're part of the Taghmata Omnissiah list
zedmeister wrote: Page 226 bud. Though I just realised, I didn't remember the Ursarax cohort!
Yeah I just found my copy and had a look. It mentions they are based off the Crusader-Pattern, which is a nice way of acknowledging the past.
And yeah, the Ursarax Cohort. They sound pretty beastly. Can't wait to see those. What else are we missing now (from a model perspective) for the Taghmata?
Yeah, it would be nice if the Myrmidons actually came with all their weapon options, rather than one of each of the three of the five possible weapons.
And that was a weird sentence to write. One of three of five? Uhhgh!
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. Now we aboriginal tribal markings are making more sense as I always thought raven guard were more Native American heritage.
