Shots of my Thanatar, Knight, Lancer, Warhound, Reaver as people were asking for a scale shot a while ago. My Lancer looks smaller due to its pose, but it is up to the Warhound's shoulder if you stood it tall. Hopefully you can see how small the Thanatar is.
Thanks! Very lucky to have a friend build and paint these for me as he is so much better than me at painting.
I wasn't surprised that they refused but it was worth a shot. Kept it nice and friendly as it's not the guy answering the phones fault, from his response I could tell that I wasn't the only person to ask.
Not really a fan of this guy, he just looks like he's jumping out at someone shouting boo.
Godang I wish it could move 12 inches and had fearless.
I mean just look at their description;
"The Dimachaeron appears to have evolved for a single purpose, to slaughter those identified among their prey as leaders in the midst of battle, spreading terror and dismay among the ranks of all who resist the Hive Mind's advance. Bristling with blade-arms studded with sickle-like claws, it can slice a fully armoured Space Marine in two and, able to leap a Leman Russ battle tank without breaking stride, when stalking its prey the Dimachaeron dispenses with the slow, stealthy approach of the Lictor and instead relies on sheer brutality and animalistic rage, leaving a gore-soaked trail of carnage behind. "
How is it not fearless if it's sole purpose is to just kill stuff!
It's a great model, and I like it's body a lot. The claws are great, the proportions are great. The chest-maw is neat.
The pose, however, is very problematic in my mind. It seems to be standing too tall and looks almost spindly.
I think I'd like it a lot more if the legs were reposed so it was crouching a bit, and the head and body tilted just a tiny bit lower and more forward.
I really don't like the pose, the back carapace hat thing, the skinny legs or the fact it is standing on blocks.
For £85 I think I will convert as I can still come slightly under that buying two models and kit bashing one together, it isn't that tall once you remove the blocks so a trygon and a hive tyrant should give me everything I need to do the conversion.
I think the pose from the front looks great though. Perhaps trimming down the rocks and repositioning the legs. Looks like you could get a left foot forward pose relatively easily.
I really like it. The legs don't look particularly off to me and it looks utterly gribbly as all the big 'nids should. Plus it doesn't appear to be holding any guns, which no 'nid should (imo).
sockwithaticket wrote: I really like it. The legs don't look particularly off to me and it looks utterly gribbly as all the big 'nids should. Plus it doesn't appear to be holding any guns, which no 'nid should (imo).
There are numerous animals with shooting attacks in the real world, why shouldn't super intelligent aliens that have control over genetics use them.
I don't understand why they put the model on the rocks though, that's weird, especially the tiny rock.
I wonder why they have it standing on rocks? Here's what I'm going to use, which I had bought with another conversion in mind previously. Will also model it jumping up off a rock
It's the Black Ball Games, Book of Fragments, Dark Young model. Unfortunately it recently was changed to "sold out" on their website, but maybe they'd restock if more people were interested. It was only $60... the current exchange rate puts the Dimaecheron at $140.
Price really isn't the issue for me, rather it was fitting in with my converted army. But I agree that the long legs look kind of odd. The upper body is pretty killer, though!
It might be worth mentioning that the rear leg isn't standing on a rock, but rather a demolished piece of the Anphelion complex...
I don't know why they chose to have it standing on top of stuff though. I'm not put off by it but I'm not a Tyranid player and I look at it as a one-off model rather than something you would field large numbers of so maybe I have a bias.
Kanluwen wrote: It might be worth mentioning that the rear leg isn't standing on a rock, but rather a demolished piece of the Anphelion complex...
I don't know why they chose to have it standing on top of stuff though. I'm not put off by it but I'm not a Tyranid player and I look at it as a one-off model rather than something you would field large numbers of so maybe I have a bias.
I don't think many people will be fielding large numbers of them.
Bulldogging wrote:I don't understand why they put the model on the rocks though, that's weird, especially the tiny rock.
It's a simple/lazy way to increase the surface area attached to the base, so you don't end up with a poorly supported and top-heavy model a la Zoanthropes and Hormagaunts.
RiTides wrote:I wonder why they have it standing on rocks? Here's what I'm going to use, which I had bought with another conversion in mind previously. Will also model it jumping up off a rock
Snrub wrote: For the most part I like this new gribbly beast. Maybe needs some work repositioning the feet but it's a winner in my books.
Kanluwen wrote: It might be worth mentioning that the rear leg isn't standing on a rock, but rather a demolished piece of the Anphelion complex...
What happened to the Anphelion complex terrain they used to sell?
And for that matter, when did they get rid of the trench terrain?
I think it was about 2-3 years ago, the molds were probably finished and they probably weren't selling many so just jacked it in, it's a pity as the used to make some really nice terrain.
sockwithaticket wrote: I really like it. The legs don't look particularly off to me and it looks utterly gribbly as all the big 'nids should. Plus it doesn't appear to be holding any guns, which no 'nid should (imo).
There are numerous animals with shooting attacks in the real world, why shouldn't super intelligent aliens that have control over genetics use them.
I don't understand why they put the model on the rocks though, that's weird, especially the tiny rock.
This isn't really the place for the debate, but, basically, my problem with 'nids missile weapons is not that they have them, rather that they look like guns they're holding rather than organic parts of them that happen to shoot projectiles. At the same time the most iconic images and representations of our favourite space bugs have always been (again, imo) the ones that depict them as a ravenous horde of teeth and claws, nary a projectile in sight.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: I think it was about 2-3 years ago, the molds were probably finished and they probably weren't selling many so just jacked it in, it's a pity as the used to make some really nice terrain.
That's a shame. I remember both their terrain being quite detailed. Maybe they'll re-release it again at some point. Make some RoB trench tiles or something.
sockwithaticket wrote:This isn't really the place for the debate, but, basically, my problem with 'nids missile weapons is not that they have them, rather that they look like guns they're holding rather than organic parts of them that happen to shoot projectiles.
This is my main problem with nids ranged weapons. They have no need to have "guns" when they should just be a built in thing.
Because you know, for as much as i'd like to see a Bombardier Bettle wielding a flame thrower, it just doesn't need one. It basically is one!
That is a nice kitbash! Although I think I prefer the upper body of the actual Dimaercheron model.
And the bombadier beetle idea is why I prefer the Exocrine type of model, especially the OOP one- if they're going to have a gun, it should definitely be built-in.
RiTides wrote: That is a nice kitbash! Although I think I prefer the upper body of the actual Dimaercheron model.
And the bombadier beetle idea is why I prefer the Exocrine type of model, especially the OOP one- if they're going to have a gun, it should definitely be built-in.
I feel inclined to agree. The ranged weapon design on the Raveners is something I like.
xttz wrote:
It's a simple/lazy way to increase the surface area attached to the base, so you don't end up with a poorly supported and top-heavy model a la Zoanthropes and Hormagaunts.
They cheat with the Zoanthrope, though. Instead of being on a transparent stand, it's surfing on a random Tyranidy tentacle that's poking out of the ground.
Wilson wrote:This kitbash out of a tervigon is the only dimachaeron I'm interested in.
That looks great! I'm totally stealing it. I like the general idea of the Dimachaeron, but there are a lot of things I don't like. The double scything talons, as I have said previously, look like something from a bad conversion. The random bit of rubble makes any kind of personalisation, reposing, or differentiating between two Dimachaerons really awkward (much like the mono-pose tail of the Trygon). The way its feet are, it really should have a heel piece, or at least wider hooves. I am definitely not a fan of the mouth in its chest, or the whip hands (combined with the scything talons, it really looks like it is springing its chest open while saying "Blargh! Look at my scary chest! So scary! I'mma get you!". It really needs more clearance between its exoskeleton pieces at the joints if it wants to be flexible.
I do like the tail, though, and the vague "Alien Queen" sort of shape, as people are saying.
Bristling with blade-arms studded with sickle-like claws, it can slice a fully armoured Space Marine in two and, able to leap a Leman Russ battle tank without breaking stride, when stalking its prey the Dimachaeron dispenses with the slow, stealthy approach of the Lictor and instead relies on sheer brutality and animalistic rage, leaving a gore-soaked trail of carnage behind it.
Oh my, that punctuation and flow.
RiTides wrote:
And the bombadier beetle idea is why I prefer the Exocrine type of model, especially the OOP one- if they're going to have a gun, it should definitely be built-in.
A built-in gun would be much more difficult to aim and have a far more limited range of motion, although the larger creatures (particularly the artillery ones, the Biovores and Exocrines) can act like tanks with their large, hunched backs. I definitely preferred the old artwork of the Tyrannofex with the gun sort of "hull mounted" rather than being held in silly little arms that make it look like a stretched-out Carnifex, but again, it's a large and lumbering quadrupedal (or hexapedal, if it weren't using its arms) creature. There's a reason why real-world rifles aren't just strapped onto our arms or chests. This is how I feel about lash whips, though - it's a prehensile tentacle, why do they need to clench it in a fist?
I'm not sure this has been mentioned yet in this thread: Tallarn and Kroot have been removed from Forge World website.
No more Great Knarlocs, no more Knarloc Riders, no more Tallarn Rough Riders, no more Tallarn Snipers, etc.
This information was first noticed and reported about over on Advanced Tau Tactica, as far as I can tell. When Forge World customer service was asked about it, they replied that they are in fact discontinuing those models due to slow sales now that their stock has been depleted.
dpaway wrote: I'm not sure this has been mentioned yet in this thread: Tallarn and Kroot have been removed from Forge World website.
No more Great Knarlocs, no more Knarloc Riders, no more Tallarn Rough Riders, no more Tallarn Snipers, etc.
This information was first noticed and reported about over on Advanced Tau Tactica, as far as I can tell. When Forge World customer service was asked about it, they replied that they are in fact discontinuing those models due to slow sales now that their stock has been depleted.
The Knarloc riders disappeared long ago sadly.........If FW or GW just did better rules or updated rules to support Kroot models, that might have changed. An updated Kroot Mercenary list perhaps?!?
willb2064 wrote: I'm gutted the Empire Landship was discontinued before I had a chance to buy one.
Same here, ever since I first saw it I've always meant to buy it. I nearly got it last month too but opted for marines.
Hm sounds like it doesn't matter then since it doesn't seem like you were going to buy it either way :p So many more useful minis to spend tons of money on than a landship that is pretty terrible in the rules.
Never understood why they don't let folk know in advance that they're going to discontinue a kit, it could only have positive outcomes for them; either they sell out of the remaining stock quicker and so can dispose of the moulds and free up space for new stuff sooner, or they get such an unexpectedly high surge they realise there's more demand there than they thought and can do a couple of final limited runs to wring the maximum possible revenue out of the moulds before they're retired.
Just letting the last bit of stock sit there slowly ticking down over a long period and then quietly taking down the entry on the site just frustrates and annoys people and uses up their storage space unnecessarily.
Dammit, I'd love to start a Tallarn army, but (current budget restrictions aside) I was never going to do it when I could only get half of the models. They've been running with only a partial range for years now.
Lesson: if you want to sell any models, you have to have every model available!
sockwithaticket wrote: This isn't really the place for the debate, but, basically, my problem with 'nids missile weapons is not that they have them, rather that they look like guns they're holding rather than organic parts of them that happen to shoot projectiles.
I've always seen that as an aspect of the fact that Tyranids copy good ideas as they evolve. Tyranids are all about head-butting a wall until their head becomes so hard that the wall breaks, and with each new obstacle they've faced they've come up with a new solution to overcome it. Some solutions are one-offs, but those that aren't go into "general production" (for lack of a better term) and become standard. The idea that they'd copy some of the form as well as the function of the enemies they face doesn't strike me as all that outlandish, so some of their guns having "magazines" that aren't really magazines (but perhaps breeding chambers shaped like magazines) seems pretty normal.
Yodhrin wrote: Never understood why they don't let folk know in advance that they're going to discontinue a kit, it could only have positive outcomes for them; either they sell out of the remaining stock quicker and so can dispose of the moulds and free up space for new stuff sooner, or they get such an unexpectedly high surge they realise there's more demand there than they thought and can do a couple of final limited runs to wring the maximum possible revenue out of the moulds before they're retired.
Just letting the last bit of stock sit there slowly ticking down over a long period and then quietly taking down the entry on the site just frustrates and annoys people and uses up their storage space unnecessarily.
You could email them about that and they might actually listen to you, they seem like they'd be a bit more open to suggestion than GW proper.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've always seen that as an aspect of the fact that Tyranids copy good ideas as they evolve. Tyranids are all about head-butting a wall until their head becomes so hard that the wall breaks, and with each new obstacle they've faced they've come up with a new solution to overcome it. Some solutions are one-offs, but those that aren't go into "general production" (for lack of a better term) and become standard. The idea that they'd copy some of the form as well as the function of the enemies they face doesn't strike me as all that outlandish, so some of their guns having "magazines" that aren't really magazines (but perhaps breeding chambers shaped like magazines) seems pretty normal.
Iechine wrote: I only speak two languages, so I was wondering what the proper pronunciation of Dimachaeron is in english?
Dye-ma-kay-ron? Dime-ah-chay-run(the "ch" is like "och" in Scots rather than the "ch" in "cheese")? Dyemachay-ron?(in this case, like "cheese") Something like that I think. Hell a lot of folk still argue over how to pronounce Chimera
willb2064 wrote: I'm gutted the Empire Landship was discontinued before I had a chance to buy one.
Same here, ever since I first saw it I've always meant to buy it. I nearly got it last month too but opted for marines.
Hm sounds like it doesn't matter then since it doesn't seem like you were going to buy it either way :p So many more useful minis to spend tons of money on than a landship that is pretty terrible in the rules.
Because you purchased Space Marines instead of the land ship, of course. Everyone has desire but if its not *above* other wants then it doesn't really matter because it never is actualized.
I've been playing warhammer long enough to hear the phrase "I really want that FW item.. but..." It just most likely doesn't matter if it was discontinued or not, there will always be something more useful to spend limited income on.
Iechine wrote: I only speak two languages, so I was wondering what the proper pronunciation of Dimachaeron is in english?
Going from the root of the word (the gladiator armed with two swords, dimachaerus) I'd guess it'd be Di (as in diametrically, diagonal ect from the latin, loaned from Greek) Machari (like machete, which again comes from the latin) On.
So Di-mach-ari-on I guess (note, I no nothing of latin grammar, pronunciation or accent so take with salt)
Google translate gives machaera as latin for Saber.
Kirasu wrote: Because you purchased Space Marines instead of the land ship, of course. Everyone has desire but if its not *above* other wants then it doesn't really matter because it never is actualized.
I've been playing warhammer long enough to hear the phrase "I really want that FW item.. but..." It just most likely doesn't matter if it was discontinued or not, there will always be something more useful to spend limited income on.
But how does buying something else instead mean I was never going to buy it? I also was thinking about buying a Fellblade but bought some infantry instead, doesn't mean I'll never buy a Fellblade.
Kirasu wrote: Because you purchased Space Marines instead of the land ship, of course. Everyone has desire but if its not *above* other wants then it doesn't really matter because it never is actualized.
I've been playing warhammer long enough to hear the phrase "I really want that FW item.. but..." It just most likely doesn't matter if it was discontinued or not, there will always be something more useful to spend limited income on.
But how does buying something else instead mean I was never going to buy it? I also was thinking about buying a Fellblade but bought some infantry instead, doesn't mean I'll never buy a Fellblade.
Well, it does and it doesn't.
If you don't buy something now, it might not be available to buy later, especially if many do the same.
No perceived/actual demand = no reason to keep it stocked.
I have to be honest though, I straight up FORGOT the Landship existed as Warhammer stuff doesn't exactly stand out anymore, either at FW/WF or GW...
Kirasu wrote: Because you purchased Space Marines instead of the land ship, of course. Everyone has desire but if its not *above* other wants then it doesn't really matter because it never is actualized.
I've been playing warhammer long enough to hear the phrase "I really want that FW item.. but..." It just most likely doesn't matter if it was discontinued or not, there will always be something more useful to spend limited income on.
But how does buying something else instead mean I was never going to buy it? I also was thinking about buying a Fellblade but bought some infantry instead, doesn't mean I'll never buy a Fellblade.
Well, it does and it doesn't.
If you don't buy something now, it might not be available to buy later, especially if many do the same.
No perceived/actual demand = no reason to keep it stocked.
I have to be honest though, I straight up FORGOT the Landship existed as Warhammer stuff doesn't exactly stand out anymore, either at FW/WF or GW...
I can understand why FW wouldn't keep it on, if they're not going to make any money there's no point in keeping it and that by not buying I'm risking it not being available later on. But I just don't see how not buying something now, means I don't intend to buy it later.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: When the feth is Vulkan gonna be up for pre-order ughhh. MUST GIVE THEM MY MONEY
STC_LogisEngine wrote: If it feels that important, why don't you just call or email FW? Those guys usually reply to almost any questions you have relating to their products.
It's not that important, it was just the topic of discussion so I figured id "shime" in.
It would only be acceptable to call it a dimasheron if Sean Connery played 40k.
Snrub wrote: I've been pronouncing it as Dime-ah-kay-ron.
I've always thought Chimera was Kai-meer-ah.
Me too!
It's not a shimera
It's not shaos
It's not dimasheron
It's Dee ma ka ron
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While nothing new is coming out of FW, we may as well keep churning this over.
If it was Dee ma ka ron where are you getting that 2nd "K" sound from?
Breaking it up phonetically in the way you have there:
Di ma chae ron
The Di/Dee I'd think incorrect as it is Di as in diagonal, Diametrically, Diameter and sound like the word "Die"
The chae/ka I'd also think incorrect as "ch" is not "k" as it would be from the same root as machete which is not pronounced "Ma Kety" but more like the "mach" from "machine".
Shandara wrote: It's faux greek so the chae would be a harsh k sound, no?
No, it's latin from the Gladiator type. The actual historical thing Dimachaerus though taken from the greek seems not to have the K sound (μάχαιρα) although I am basing the "mach" on the modern pronunciation of the word Machete and what google translate used as the sound so any cunning linguists out there can correct me.
wiktionary gives the pronunciation as
(5th BC Attic): IPA: /mákʰa͜ɪra/
(1st BC Egyptian): IPA: /mákʰɛːra/
(4th AD Koine): IPA: /máxera/
(10th AD Byzantine): IPA: /máçera/
(15th AD Constantinopolitan): IPA: /máçeɾa/
The Gladiator type was (according to Wiki) popular around the 2nd-4th century AD so it'd be máxera so a softer K? particularly in the latin?
I can understand why FW wouldn't keep it on, if they're not going to make any money there's no point in keeping it and that by not buying I'm risking it not being available later on. But I just don't see how not buying something now, means I don't intend to buy it later.
I know that when I went to get a trio of the Mk. II upgrade kits for the Wave Serpents in my battle force boxes, so I could have all my tanks match the 2nd hand Scorpion Mk. II I'd picked up earlier, I was told they were no longer available - not actually discontinued, just not being sold alone anymore, if I wanted them or a Falcon one I'd have to buy the complete set and get a whole new Wave Serpent along with it. Kind of annoying, because I'd been waiting for the right opportunity to get rhem and suddenly nope, can't do it anymore, no warning.
Currently I am painting my first Salamanders (the Pyroclasts) and I have much fun with them ... therefore I cannot wait to put my hands on their Primarch!
I really like the look of the Castrigator, also, double gatling boltcannon is probably the coolest (if perhaps least useful-rule wise) weapon possible for .. well.. anything!
But it will probably not be an issue since the Cerastus-family seems to be inclined towards speed and first strike / close-combat potential (with moderate ranged capacity) where the regular knights goes for a balance of CC and ranged.
I am a bit exited what they will do with the upcomming Warden-chassi as varied heavy-weapons platforms.
Yepp, FW said they had plans to make one once the Cerastus-variants and the knight upgrade kits were finished and a few more things on the Horus Heresy to-do list had been taken care of.
They had not assigned an artist to it yet so it was still just scetches on paper, no mock-ups, but Daren Parrwood would probably be assigned this one since he is doing the Cerastus knights.
Nope, but the Cerastus Lancer had a pdf. for 40k-use made avalible on FW's page when it went up for pre-order so we will probably see that happen here too.
Regarding the weapons for knights I don't know, the only thing I have seen were CAD-wip's that later turned out to be for the Cerastus Castrigator (avenger boltcannon and giant flamer).
STC_LogisEngine wrote:Yepp, FW said they had plans to make one once the Cerastus-variants and the knight upgrade kits were finished and a few more things on the Horus Heresy to-do list had been taken care of.
They had not assigned an artist to it yet so it was still just scetches on paper, no mock-ups, but Daren Parrwood would probably be assigned this one since he is doing the Cerastus knights.
Crimson wrote:I wish they'd make new weapons for the plastic Knight. I think those were rumoured, but it remains to be seen whether they will ever materialise.
I believe they said in a previous post that the weapon upgrades for the knights would be too heavy to balance the kits and it was scrapped and the cerastus built instead.
Well, to be fair, it more or less is that way since what differs the Lancer and the Castrigator is the weapons, head and the Castrigator has a pair of additional armorpanels added to the shoulderplates.
I believe they said in a previous post that the weapon upgrades for the knights would be too heavy to balance the kits and it was scrapped and the cerastus built instead.
Really? T_T
And the reasoning seems dubious. The model has a giant base, it is very stable. One resin weapon on each side won't unbalance it.
I'll take their word for it, FW tends not to give bs answers, it might seem simple to do to us but it is probably not base-related, it might be the plastic arm-assembly is not strong enough in some way to handle a big hunk of resin or some other part of the plastic kit that cannot carry the required load in it's unmodified form. FW are quite stingy with that thing, so perhaps they decided that solving the issue was more trouble than it was worth and went with a whole-resin chassi instead.
I believe they said in a previous post that the weapon upgrades for the knights would be too heavy to balance the kits and it was scrapped and the cerastus built instead.
Really? T_T
And the reasoning seems dubious. The model has a giant base, it is very stable. One resin weapon on each side won't unbalance it.
Of course not, but you can't charge $280 for one resin weapon.
It seems FW still don't want my money anyway - I'd have bought the Castigator weapons to convert a plastic Knight in a heartbeat, but I guess they'd rather people who're not fans of the Cerastus chassis just didn't buy anything.
EDIT: Yeah I'm still not buying it STC_LogisEngine, the plastic Knight on the HUEG base is extremely stable and, considering how the arms lock in to the chassis, there's no way you could make a resin weapon that would strain the joint or unbalance the model unless it was twice the length of the plastic battlecannon and several times the mass. Hell I'd wager you could cast up one of the FW Cerastus weapons in white metal and you could still attach it to the plastic Knight with no issue.
Since any Primarch I will be purchasing and painting will also be for gaming, and will most likely NEVER be of 'display' quality, I'd love to NOT have to pay for those ridiculous display bases!
I believe they said in a previous post that the weapon upgrades for the knights would be too heavy to balance the kits and it was scrapped and the cerastus built instead.
Really? T_T
And the reasoning seems dubious. The model has a giant base, it is very stable. One resin weapon on each side won't unbalance it.
Of course not, but you can't charge $280 for one resin weapon.
It seems FW still don't want my money anyway - I'd have bought the Castigator weapons to convert a plastic Knight in a heartbeat, but I guess they'd rather people who're not fans of the Cerastus chassis just didn't buy anything.
EDIT: Yeah I'm still not buying it STC_LogisEngine, the plastic Knight on the HUEG base is extremely stable and, considering how the arms lock in to the chassis, there's no way you could make a resin weapon that would strain the joint or unbalance the model unless it was twice the length of the plastic battlecannon and several times the mass. Hell I'd wager you could cast up one of the FW Cerastus weapons in white metal and you could still attach it to the plastic Knight with no issue.
Given that FW are still selling Imperial Guard, I do wonder if it's a form of silent protest, showing GW main what they think should have been produced?
This isn't meant to be racist at all, but why is Vulkan black? Like he does not look African American, but his face looks like it has been charred by fire or something. Can someone please help me know what the fluff is behind this?
Commander_Farsight wrote: This isn't meant to be racist at all, but why is Vulkan black? Like he does not look African American, but his face looks like it has been charred by fire or something. Can someone please help me know what the fluff is behind this?
It is a stupid retcon from few editions ago, which for some bizarre reason changed Salamanders into coal black instead of just normal African black. It's not a good look, it looks like someone forgot to paint the skin, and there's only a basecoat.
The fluff is that its one of those genetic anomalies like Sanguinius's wings, or Mangus' s huge size. For the actual function of it, it makes Vulkan and his marines more resistant to radiation and heat like some kinda super melanin.
To get back on topic, that knight look super awesome painted up. I know what I'm dropping hits for for a christmas present.
Allegedly the salamanders were always supposed to be coal-black. It's just that the artists misunderstood the design notes (and/or the designers didn't anticipate that the artists would think BLACK skin meant just black skin)
from that angle it actually looks awesome, and i didn't like it before...
your attempt at criticism has made me a fan, i'd call that success for FW...
hahahahaha
In the unspeakably early hours of this morning Paul, whose Ultramarines army I showed you a few weeks ago, and myself started on our journey to Gen Con 2014 in Indianapolis. By the time you’re reading this, I intend to be lightly snoring at 30,000ft, building up my reserves of energy for this awesome event!
An artist’s impression of our early morning take-off.
With Gen Con itself being a fantastic event and us being there with our latest and greatest models, we thought the only thing we could do to make it better was to make sure we brought along something particularly stunning. With that in mind, one of the new models you’ll be able to get hold of will be Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders Legion, before he goes on general release.
Vulkan, the Lord of the XVIIIth Legion.
The events calendar is pretty full over the coming months, but for me Warhammer Fest in October can’t come soon enough. After hearing some of what will be happening at the demonstration pods, I’m already bartering for time off over the weekend so I can get down to the How to Paint Special Effects pod. I’ve been stocking up on Weathering Powders already and I’ll be looking for advice on making my Astra Militarum look battle-scarred and weathered. Hopefully, I’ll see you there!
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sometimes Josh I truly believe that you think "rex non potest peccare" applies to everything GW does.
He's certainly a fan!
And yeah, there's still a lot wrong with that Tyranid beastie, from every angle.
hahahahahaha
well, what can i say, that was the first angle i saw where i liked the sculpt...
i even shocked myself with that one...
as far as "Rex non potest peccare.", not so much...
i just don't like to make negative posts, so only comment when i have something positive to say...
there are enough people who make themselves look like jerks on the forums everyday...
honestly, i am just as baffled by a lot of GW's recent moves, but that doesn't change the fact that i love painting Space Marines more than any other sculpts...
i own minis from almost every company on the market, and they sit in bags gathering dust, while i carry on painting Marines...
the heart wants what it wants...
now bring me Vulkan!!!
The Tyranid beastie looks just fine thanks ( in my opinion ) . Who knows what the biomechanics properties are of tyranid flesh are for this particular biomorph ... looks spindly to you , could be hyper elastic / massively strong internally . I will be picking one up .
God, if there is *anything* I've ever truly wanted from FW, it's THAT knight. But almost $300 is super hefty price...hmm...
I wish more than anything FW would bring back Epic. I'd love to build some knights but I'm not too keen on playing them in 40k (especially since I haven't gone on to 7th as it is). Knights with some similar sort of quality at 15mm would sell like hotcakes.
You see, just by adding that apostrophe I now can't think of them without thinking they are a 1950 singer and band combo called "Val and the Gorbacks".
Looks like Vulkan may be my first Primarch. I was waiting for the Khan and Alpharius, but I've always liked the Sallies. Just a small force, what could go wrong?
Looks like Vulkan may be my first Primarch. I was waiting for the Khan and Alpharius, but I've always liked the Sallies. Just a small force, what could go wrong?
I can only encourage you ... I am currently painting my first Salamanders ever (the Pyroclasts) and have such fun with it, that I will add some Firedrakes and Vulkan as well
I love the dragon head shoulder guard and his cloak. Excellent.
Am less convinced of the hammer and the way the left arm/hand is posed.
The skintone is also pretty poor imho.
If you saw last week’s bulletin, you’ll know that I was flying off to Gen Con 2014 in Indianapolis. As you’re reading this, I’ve just started the long trip home, probably snoring again, a convention like Gen Con can really take it out of you!
With a Space Marine watching over the lines, order was maintained at the Forge World stand.
Gen Con is a truly massive event and it was great to meet so many of you over the four days, finding out what you love about your hobby. Working with the fantastic US Games Workshop team, we’ve helped a staggering number of hobbyists find loads of awesome Forge World models to add to their armies.
Sometimes a single Space Marine isn't enough.
Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders, was incredibly popular and our stocks didn’t last past the first morning. Imperial Armour Volume Four – Second Edition: The Anphelion Project and the Imperial Navigator, one of our Event Only models, quickly followed suit, flying off the shelves by the end of the first day. If you’re going to Warhammer Fest or the Forge World European Open Day, it’s definitely worth getting in touch with Forge World Customer Services to place a reservation order, so you don’t miss out on the day!
Speaking of Vulkan, if you want to see more of the Lord of the Salamanders, make sure you check out our latest video.
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Chris.
Saw some other pictures of the gentleman and son ( ...? ...) on FB etc, most impressive bit of work.
makes sense, since he is the last Primarch from book 2 without a model...
book 1 Primarchs have been done, and they haven't touched any of the ones from book 3...
i really look forward to seeing what they do with The Night Haunter...
30K Batman, anyone???
I understand everybody wants to see more Primarchs, but personally I hope we get some other special characters as well - e.g. Sevetar. I remember the Calas Typhon model came out of nowhere, so perhaps they are already working on something. I could see Edgar Skomorowski doing Sevetar as warm-up followed by Curze ...
Unfortunately FW hardly releases the stuff that would make sense. Regarding the Character Series I would like to see some Emperor's Children stuff from the first book.
Goatmoerser wrote: Unfortunately FW hardly releases the stuff that would make sense. Regarding the Character Series I would like to see some Emperor's Children stuff from the first book.
Yeah, I put some stuff together to convert a Saul Tarvitz, but a Lord Commander Eidolon model by FW would be nice.
The Iron Warrior one still looks like a couple of Meks got to it to me.
Night Lords one is boss but I think it could do with the heads/skulls being a little bit smaller and distributed elsewhere on the model. Having them all bunched up on the chest looks a little off.
Wilson wrote: So today's release is... The knight cerastus with volkan mega bolter?
I hope that it is. I really want one. I saw two variants in the pictures from the FW show and wonder if you buy the body and the weapons seperately. I hope so, but I'll probably buy them both if they were different models.
Slight change of tack, but for anyone else who was wondering: Hector Rex is out of stock, but is not being Landship'd; the master moulds are at the studio to undergo work and he should return in the future according to their CS guys.
Dinamarth wrote: More Dreads that aren't Imperial Fists boohoo :(
lol, true but remember not everyone like Dorn and his sons....he was hated by at least two to my memory; PERTURABO and KONRAD CURZE both tried to kill him
Tribal markings/prison tattoos , those rebels in cages like their artwork. They probably figured since space sharks are their descendents that their tribal tattoos had to come from someplace, and it couldn't be the people the sharks harvest their scouts from.
I rather like the addition of impressionistic markings (wild mashup of Aboriginal/Maori/Polynesian styles), gives the XIXth Legion a bit more depth and character.
As for the origin of the art it is mentioned briefly in HH3: Extermination as being an artform of Lychean slave-miners and other fragments hints that elements of it are influenced by the cultural background of the original XIX recruits, since the XIXth almost exclusively recruited from the Xeric tribes of the asiatic dustfields, a region south or south-west of the Yndonesic Bloc wich would put it in the modern-day Australian/Polynesian region.
From here is also derived the first cognomens of the XIXth, the 'Pale Nomads' or 'Dust Clad'.
Yepp, more or less all of it comes from HH:3, wich also more or less explains the origins of the Carcharodons Astra as a legion element assigned as a nomad-predation fleet to the galactic fringe under the command of Shade Lord Arkhas Fal and almost exclusively made up from Terran veterans. Shade Lord Fal commanded the XIXth before it's reunion with Corax and the two didn't get along at all.
They've been discussing this on B&C quite a lot, the consensus seems to be that the Polynesian aspect was introduced in the most recent HH book to make Raven Guard pre-Corax very different to what they become after being re-united with him.
Some, rather uncharitable, suggested it's an attempt to give the RG some character.
I've had RG pegged as Native American since forever, what with the fetishes and the predilection for stealth and hit & fade battle tactics, but I guess a general South Seas "tribal" theme fits just as well, it isn't like any of them are historically accurate!
Azreal13 wrote: I've had RG pegged as Native American since forever, what with the fetishes and the predilection for stealth and hit & fade battle tactics, but I guess a general South Seas "tribal" theme fits just as well, it isn't like any of them are historically accurate!
Based on what exactly?
Until HH3, I don't think we knew much at all beyond their excellent IA article, and that certainly didn't really even hint at such a connection!
I have heard that a lot too, I think it comes from a late 90's GD-submitted sculpt of Corax interpreted as of native american etnicity with that whole feathers and long hair thing.
That sculpt, being the only widly distributed image of corax for more than a decade (I mean, the first ''Official art'' was the cover for Deliverance Lost and only by HH:3 do we see a detailed portrait), probably had a great deal of influence on how the playerbase and enthusiasts envisioned and interpreted the few snippets of information avalible on the Primarch(s) before Forge World and Black Library got the Heresy-project rolling.
Azreal13 wrote: I've had RG pegged as Native American since forever, what with the fetishes and the predilection for stealth and hit & fade battle tactics, but I guess a general South Seas "tribal" theme fits just as well, it isn't like any of them are historically accurate!
Based on what exactly?
Until HH3, I don't think we knew much at all beyond their excellent IA article, and that certainly didn't really even hint at such a connection!
Do pay attention old boy, you know my capacity for making huge leaps based on very little information and hitting the target!
Now that I’m back in the office for a few weeks, until I head off to Amsterdam for the Forge World European Open Day that is, I’ve had a chance to catch up with what’s new in the Forge World Studio. Not long ago I showed you two new Contemptor Dreadnoughts for the Iron Warriors and Night Lords Legions. Now another is joining their ranks, this time for the Raven Guard, sculpted by Trish Carden, who recently completed the terrifying Dimachaeron.
The Raven Guard Contemptor Dreadnought is adorned with tribal patterns.
If you’d like to add a Contemptor Dreadnought to your army, we’ll have the full range of them available at Warhammer Fest in October. If you’re going to the event, you can purchase one there and then pick up some pro tips on modelling and painting it at the demo pods.
Way back in Forge World Bulletin #2, I showed you the first Terminator armoured Space Marine Phil Stutcinskas had painted for his Imperial Fists Legion. Phil hasn’t sat idle since. Inbetween designing awesome models such as the Legion Falchion, he’s filled out his Cataphractii pattern Terminator squad and added a Sicaran Battle Tank and a Legion Destroyer squad.
Phil’s army is taking shape nicely.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
WrentheFaceless wrote: So what ever happend to the Knight Castigator, was shown a couple months ago, then nothing
I'm waiting for it too. It should be up for preorder soon, maybe this Friday. I have my fingers crossed. I was so ready for it last week but instead we got more contemptors...
There is nothing but speculation out there. All I know is I saw two models that looked a lot alike with only a small change to one model's shoulder pads. One had a shield with what looked like a TL Mega Bolter on it and a double chain sword and the other one looked it was packing a big flamer type weapon and a power sword of some type. Or maybe I got the weapon combos crossed.
Other than that, everything I've read is speculation. These models should be coming soon because there are a bunch of pictures floating around of them. Do you buy the body and weapons seperately like titans or do you buy a complete model with weapons? I have no idea.
Davespil wrote: There is nothing but speculation out there. All I know is I saw two models that looked a lot alike with only a small change to one model's shoulder pads. One had a shield with what looked like a TL Mega Bolter on it and a double chain sword and the other one looked it was packing a big flamer type weapon and a power sword of some type. Or maybe I got the weapon combos crossed.
Other than that, everything I've read is speculation. These models should be coming soon because there are a bunch of pictures floating around of them. Do you buy the body and weapons seperately like titans or do you buy a complete model with weapons? I have no idea.
They'll probably be sold all as one piece, so you can't use a body you already have and they can justify a bigger price tag.
I like Contemptors but the IW and NL ones seem a bit off to my eyes. I like the IF tank in the above picture. I know it's not canon, but I'd love to pick a loyalist legion and break it up a bit by including successor chapter colour schemes.
Zond wrote: I like Contemptors but the IW and NL ones seem a bit off to my eyes. I like the IF tank in the above picture. I know it's not canon, but I'd love to pick a loyalist legion and break it up a bit by including successor chapter colour schemes.
Zond wrote: I like Contemptors but the IW and NL ones seem a bit off to my eyes. I like the IF tank in the above picture. I know it's not canon, but I'd love to pick a loyalist legion and break it up a bit by including successor chapter colour schemes.
Well it's not not canon to do that...
It can be. Some legion chapters are stated as having their own unique unit markings and colours, for example the Word Bearers serrated sun chapter wore the maroon that was later adopted by the legion instead of the normal grey.
sennacherib wrote: I'm never all that excited about the. Contemptors to me hey just don't look all that awesome. But that is just me.
I'm just not that excited about them releasing the same model in 18 variants so that each chapter can have their own. There are some cool new models coming down the pipeline I'd like to get a hold of. Waiting for two new variants of an Imperial Knight to be released but instead it's two more contemptors...
Zond wrote: I like Contemptors but the IW and NL ones seem a bit off to my eyes. I like the IF tank in the above picture. I know it's not canon, but I'd love to pick a loyalist legion and break it up a bit by including successor chapter colour schemes.
Well it's not not canon to do that...
It can be. Some legion chapters are stated as having their own unique unit markings and colours, for example the Word Bearers serrated sun chapter wore the maroon that was later adopted by the legion instead of the normal grey.
Yeah that's what I said, it's NOT not canon. For example, in Extermination, there are some Imperial Fists in mostly black armour. And there's a Raven Guard legionary in grey armour sent away to the edges of the galaxy as part of the Nomad Predation fleet, which could be the precursors to the Carcharodons.
sennacherib wrote: I'm never all that excited about the. Contemptors to me hey just don't look all that awesome. But that is just me.
I'm just not that excited about them releasing the same model in 18 variants so that each chapter can have their own. There are some cool new models coming down the pipeline I'd like to get a hold of. Waiting for two new variants of an Imperial Knight to be released but instead it's two more contemptors...
Well, it may not seem all that fun, but when you play 1 or two legions, you are going to care about those two, and not the other 16 versions. Others will care about different ones.
At least the Contemptors and many of the legion variation stuff like shoulder pads are minimal investments of design time- the Contemptor base is the same, so they dont have to rediscover the STC for the wheel each time. The amount of design time taken for the probably not all that much different for the design of a single tank like the fellblade (the first time) or for the new Knights (aain the first time, later iterations are merely variants and take a lot less time)
Having the two contemptors released that they did pretty much finishes up book 2 unique models, and starts some of the book 3 stuff
Yeah that's what I said, it's NOT not canon. For example, in Extermination, there are some Imperial Fists in mostly black armour. And there's a Raven Guard legionary in grey armour sent away to the edges of the galaxy as part of the Nomad Predation fleet, which could be the precursors to the Carcharodons.
Sorry, I missed the double negative.
Anyway, Zond, fill ya boots, if anybody whinges say "I saw a reference to it in [random book title]" and most likely they'll buy it. They are, after all, your toys.
Yeah that's what I said, it's NOT not canon. For example, in Extermination, there are some Imperial Fists in mostly black armour. And there's a Raven Guard legionary in grey armour sent away to the edges of the galaxy as part of the Nomad Predation fleet, which could be the precursors to the Carcharodons.
Sorry, I missed the double negative.
Anyway, Zond, fill ya boots, if anybody whinges say "I saw a reference to it in [random book title]" and most likely they'll buy it. They are, after all, your toys.
Nah don't worry, a double negative probably wasn't the way to word it, I was just trying to emphasise that it's all in that grey area between canon and not. 30k is huge though, you can do almost anything with your legion and still be in the boundaries of canon. as above, if anyone whinges... They're taking it too seriously. Yes pre heresy is *historical* but it's all about fun!
The lore for my Chaos guys is that they're created from a wide variety of gene-seed stolen from different lineages (both Loyalist and not). They basically just decide for themselves which Legion or Chapter they feel closest to and decorate themselves accordingly.
As for Pre-Heresy, there's no real restriction on colour. A single squad in a single Chapter could have their own unique iconography and colour scheme for some reason, or you could have small groups from multiple Legions working together. The only time I can see anyone having a justifiable problem with it is when you put down your assortment of Imperial Fists, World Eaters and Iron Warriors and say "Here are my Raven Guard".
Frozen Ocean wrote: The only time I can see anyone having a justifiable problem with it is when you put down your assortment of Imperial Fists, World Eaters and Iron Warriors and say "Here are my Raven Guard".
Only time that would be acceptable is when you say "here are my Alpha Legion"
Frozen Ocean wrote: The only time I can see anyone having a justifiable problem with it is when you put down your assortment of Imperial Fists, World Eaters and Iron Warriors and say "Here are my Raven Guard".
Only time that would be acceptable is when you say "here are my Alpha Legion"
Nah, when you drop that bomb you have to gesture to your opponent's army
Frozen Ocean wrote: The only time I can see anyone having a justifiable problem with it is when you put down your assortment of Imperial Fists, World Eaters and Iron Warriors and say "Here are my Raven Guard".
Only time that would be acceptable is when you say "here are my Alpha Legion"
It's funny that you should say that, after what I said about my own CSM. They're "Not Alpha Legion" because an Alpha Legion cell helped their "creator" (a rogue Inquisitor) get started with the whole thing. Any Astartes bearing Alpha Legion colours and iconography in my warband is most likely actually just one of the many who venerate the Alpha Legion and decorate themselves accordingly, which suits the Alpha Legion just fine. Or maybe that's just what they want you to think. Or both. Or neither.
Personally I like the IW dread. It looks to me that they went for a look that alludes to IW style of warfare, not pretty in the least, and as subtle as sledgehammer. It gives me the vibe of being siege after siege after siege and have little time for full repairs or refits in between.
Oh well, calm you tits. (the birds that is ) Models that are released between books always have a 1 to 3 week lag before the Pdf appears in the Downloads section. It happened to the Lancer, and it happened to the Sicarian Venator aswell. In any case, FW hit this one out of the park, best knight ever.
STC_LogisEngine wrote: Oh well, calm you tits. (the birds that is ) Models that are released between books always have a 1 to 3 week lag before the Pdf appears in the Downloads section. It happened to the Lancer, and it happened to the Sicarian Venator aswell. In any case, FW hit this one out of the park, best knight ever.
You calm your tits, the lancer came with rules straight away.
The only thing I've been waiting for are the rules so it's a bummer they aren't ready yet.
It does Look total badass though, so not all dissapointment over here haha!
Ordered one to go with my Knight House, going to go for the classic leaning back pose with the minigun from Predator. Just need to source a chain of spent cases and the alternate head for this one, ideas welcome.
Looky Likey wrote: Ordered one to go with my Knight House, going to go for the classic leaning back pose with the minigun from Predator. Just need to source a chain of spent cases and the alternate head for this one, ideas welcome.
Looky Likey wrote: Ordered one to go with my Knight House, going to go for the classic leaning back pose with the minigun from Predator. Just need to source a chain of spent cases and the alternate head for this one, ideas welcome.
I've been planning to put a Vulcan megabolter (among other things) on a standard Knight, so at least I can use the Castigator's rules. I'm really not a fan of the Castigator, especially not compared to the standard Knight.
I don't care at all about House Terryn, but it's a start. Forge World, where is my Chaos Knight upgrade kit?
EDIT: Also, I keep misreading it on the Forge World site as CERASTUS KNIGHT CASTRATOR.
EDIT2: What House is the Forge World Castigator painted as? That's a lovely paint scheme.
Looky Likey wrote: Ordered one to go with my Knight House, going to go for the classic leaning back pose with the minigun from Predator. Just need to source a chain of spent cases and the alternate head for this one, ideas welcome.
The head needs to be more obviously demonic to fit in with my other knights, I've attached the Lancer's head below to give you an idea of what I've had done with my other Knights. Another Mierce head might do but I fancy something other than a Fiend of Dis head, may be a big wolf's head? I'm also debating the lord of skulls head if I can get one, my Knight House is Khorne themed to match my Titan Legio
One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Agreed on all counts!
I was really hoping FW was going to be making all/most of the Knights based off of GW's plastic version...
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
God those Dreamforge Leviathans, they are masterpieces.
They, and I say this ironically and completely seriously, make the GW knights look like toys. 2 sprues, monopose legs, barely any posability in chest arms and head and non interchangeable weapons. Seriously, toys.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
You're equating complexity with quality.
Quality was never mentioned in any of the above...
"masterpiece of model design "
That doesn't imply quality - rather the design itself as it relates to the item as a model. Back in the early1980s - I was putting together fully articulated VF-1 robotech models that actually transformed...that 30+ year old model design is much more a "masterpiece of model design" than anything GW has produced...still. Most of GW's kits are about on par with the "Skill Level 2" snap fit model kits of that era. Effective for what they are, but far from a design masterpiece.
The Anvil Industry Grenadiers and Unity Council marines are at best 3 parts (head, torso w/gun & legs) each and they blow the GW Cadians out of the water in respects to detail and quality.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
You're equating complexity with quality.
You apparently equate a Citadel stamp on the box with quality.
I don't. Does Mark's stuff have the gothic bling that GW smothers everything in? No. But saying they are not quality, extremely well engineered and down right fun kits is.....myopic.
I like 40k. Doesn't mean I'm married to GW.
The Leviathan kit isnt even a model.
It's a damn build your own action figure. I almost didn't want to glue it....
MajorWesJanson wrote: Well, it may not seem all that fun, but when you play 1 or two legions, you are going to care about those two, and not the other 16 versions. Others will care about different ones.
At least the Contemptors and many of the legion variation stuff like shoulder pads are minimal investments of design time- the Contemptor base is the same, so they dont have to rediscover the STC for the wheel each time. The amount of design time taken for the probably not all that much different for the design of a single tank like the fellblade (the first time) or for the new Knights (aain the first time, later iterations are merely variants and take a lot less time)
Having the two contemptors released that they did pretty much finishes up book 2 unique models, and starts some of the book 3 stuff
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Agreed on all counts!
I was really hoping FW was going to be making all/most of the Knights based off of GW's plastic version...
It's the same for me, although I would hardly call it a "masterpiece" in terms of its physical model. I just greatly prefer the aesthetic of the GW Knight over these "Cerastuses", and I was really hoping that FW would make upgrade kits/alternate weapons for the Knight, not these things. It's the same reason why I'm going to put in all the effort to make the Knight articulated rather than just buying the Leviathan; I just don't like how it looks.
Another reason why FW should be making upgrade kits for the plastic Knight is that, as a Codex, it's abysmal. It has three possible weapons, and both of the ranged ones are extremely similar (high-strength low AP large blasts). I'm working on making these myself, but I'd like if FW had started making more in the theme of "Leman Russ weapon x2", giving us rapid-fire plasma destroyers, double punisher gatling cannons, and so on. Also the option to replace the reaper chainsword with another gun and replace the pointless heavy stubber(s) with something worthwhile like lascannons or autocannons. Also Chaos Knights, seriously. Even if I didn't like the upgrade kit and never used it, it would at least mean that the rules would exist.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Going by the old Epic model, the Lancer should be taller and more gangly than a standard Paladin. The Castigator (and Crusader, if I remember the name correctly) were the heavier fire support Knights, and so should've been about the same height as the normal Knight, but bulked out a bit.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Going by the old Epic model, the Lancer should be taller and more gangly than a standard Paladin. The Castigator (and Crusader, if I remember the name correctly) were the heavier fire support Knights, and so should've been about the same height as the normal Knight, but bulked out a bit.
yup, but as should the errent. but GW completely disregards such things now
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Eh, while the Imperial Knight is quite impressive in appearance, it is far from a "masterpiece of model design" when it comes to the technical aspects. It is far too much of a victim of GW's design philosophy to use as few sprues as possible to cut as many costs as possible.
This.
"Masterpiece"? It's mono pose legs? They are infantile after putting together a Dreamforge Leviathan.
You're equating complexity with quality.
You apparently equate a Citadel stamp on the box with quality.
I don't. Does Mark's stuff have the gothic bling that GW smothers everything in? No. But saying they are not quality, extremely well engineered and down right fun kits is.....myopic.
I like 40k. Doesn't mean I'm married to GW.
The Leviathan kit isnt even a model.
It's a damn build your own action figure. I almost didn't want to glue it....
An excellent critique....of things I didn't even come close to saying. Well done.
WTF is up with that Raven Guard Contemptor? Doesn't fit into the RG aesthetic at all, and doesn't even look like tribal markings, but some weird swirly pattern. I don't think I have liked ANY models produced by Trish Carden, she is a serious weak link at FW.
Asmodai Asmodean wrote: One of the rare cases in which GW is better than FW. The Imperial Knight kit is a masterpiece of model design with the sheer amount of detail and the beauty of the Knight itself (even all four of its heads are attractive). I feel both the Castigator and Lancer are a little gangly and awkward, and possibly a tad too big (it's taller than a Warhound Titan?) and I don't really like the head design.
Agreed on all counts!
I was really hoping FW was going to be making all/most of the Knights based off of GW's plastic version...
I actually much prefer the FW Knights to the GW one. When I saw the GW one I was impressed but the more I see it the less impressive it is. Very monopose unless you're good at converting, too small, squat profile. The FW ones are awesome though.
Actually I've just looked again and the GW ones still pretty good... But I do like the FW ones more.
angelofvengeance wrote: Probably the best thing about the Castigator (for me at least) is the giant ammunition hopper on its back for the mega bolter
Same here. One thing I really love is belt-fed ammunition, and I was planning on making an ammo system for my own Knight for punisher cannons and "megabolters", although I imagined my hopper a little larger. My favourite thing about the Thanatar is its belt-fed heavy bolters (or bolt cannons or whatever they are).
angelofvengeance wrote: Probably the best thing about the Castigator (for me at least) is the giant ammunition hopper on its back for the mega bolter
Same here. One thing I really love is belt-fed ammunition, and I was planning on making an ammo system for my own Knight for punisher cannons and "megabolters", although I imagined my hopper a little larger. My favourite thing about the Thanatar is its belt-fed heavy bolters (or bolt cannons or whatever they are).
Spoiler:
Will the thanatar ever get rules for 40k? I love them but I cannot justify buying one if I can't use it :(
Probably not, but you could always use it anyway. It depends on who you play with. Unfortunately, it's too big to really proxy for anything other than a Dreadknight. I use Thallax as Obliterators.
The pose the Castigator is in is pretty uninspired BUT the wonderful thing about that is you can repose it yourself, whereas with GW's squat - Knight you get minimal posability.
Anyne remember when Knights were on the way and everyone wondered whether Dreamforge Leviathan's would be too big or small? Well I think they're about right to represent a Cerastus Knight.
Horus Heresy rules, also known as 30k, are generally bigger and louder than 40k rules. I believe FW's recommendation for playing xenos in 30k is to double their squad size and special/heavy weapon count, or something similar to that, as well as a percentage increase in points.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Horus Heresy rules, also known as 30k, are generally bigger and louder than 40k rules. I believe FW's recommendation for playing xenos in 30k is to double their squad size and special/heavy weapon count, or something similar to that, as well as a percentage increase in points.
My experience has been it works as long as you do two things.
-Make sure they have acess to their own FW units and are aware of the new options thows books give them
-They are using the same FoC chart choices as listed in the age of darkness expansion.
I also suggest don't take your normal 40k list, build a list for 30k and how having all the marine armies replaced with the single legion list changes the game's meta.
30K units are overcosted compared to 40K units. The biggest challenge you'd get trying to mix 40K/30K armies in a game is that 30K armies only really become viable against 40K armies at around 2000 points.
October might seem like a long time away but the Forge World Studio is already busy preparing for Warhammer Fest, and that’s on top of all the great stuff planned for the Forge World European Open Day this weekend!
As well as hosting some of the Demonstration Pods at Warhammer Fest, where the Forge World designers will be helping you learn some awesome new skills, we’ll have a large range of our fantastically painted models on display. We’ll also be unveiling some new models and will have plenty of products on sale for the first time, including a brand new book... I’ll bring you more on that in a future bulletin as soon as I can!
Sunday at Warhammer Fest includes the world-renowned Golden Demon painting competition, not to mention our very own Forge World Best of Show award. For this coveted accolade, we select the best painted Forge World or Warhammer Forge model from among all the entries for Golden Demon. Previous winners have included Michel Adinarayanin's amazing Decimator vs Contemptor diorama.
Michel’s diorama won the Forge World Best of Show award at Games Day Spain in 2013.
Though the Space Wolves Legion hasn’t yet appeared in a Horus Heresy book, Israel Gonzalez has been hard at work on his Legion. You can create an army list for any Legion in the time of the the Horus Heresy using the Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List book.
Israel’s Space Wolves Legion is ready to charge into battle.
Using Space Marine Legion MkII, Legion MkIII and Cataphractii armour sets, along with parts from the plastic Space Wolves Pack, Israel has made his own Heresy-era Space Wolves. So far he’s added a Legion Whirlwind Scorpius for some long-ranged firepower, with more vehicles to be deployed soon.
Grizzled veterans of the Great Crusade lead the charge.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet but the House Terryn Knight bling kit is now available to buy
£16.00 or whatever your currency equivalent is.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like the more muted tones of Heresy-era Wolves.
They also don't ride wolves in the heresy era. Or have an unhealthy obsession with the word "murder."
Sometimes I think the Black Library and Forgeworld authors like to discreetly say "Hey, GW Design Team, you're insane."
I suppose it remains to be seen when the inevitable Space Wolf-flavoured Contemptor Dreadnought comes out. Let's hope it's longboat-themed, and has oars and shield sticking out of it all over the place. Judging by that Raven Guard Contemptor, it shouldn't be surprising.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet but the House Terryn Knight bling kit is now available to buy
£16.00 or whatever your currency equivalent is.
(nice they could take time out from the knights..).
I just hope they don't do another case of bait and switch with the rules like they did with the 107 (had really good experimental rules - sold a bunch - players bitched - put in over nerfed rules later).
Seriously? Questoris? They're not even trying with the faux-Latin any more. Please don't tell me that "Questoris" is the name they're giving to non-Cerastus Knights, as in the normal GW Knight. Please. Also, the Acheron has a fat face. I quite like that Riptide, though.
@aka_mythos: The little ball turret where the stubber goes is just sitting in front of the arm at that angle. The colours do make it blend in a bit, though.
I do like that they keep using their own legs for the variants, and not the stumpy plastic ones. I always thought the longer legs make Khights look more like the original Epic scale ones, who had longer thighs than the plastic 28mm ones.
Seriously? Questoris? They're not even trying with the faux-Latin any more. Please don't tell me that "Questoris" is the name they're giving to non-Cerastus Knights, as in the normal GW Knight. Please. Also, the Acheron has a fat face. I quite like that Riptide, though.
@aka_mythos: The little ball turret where the stubber goes is just sitting in front of the arm at that angle. The colours do make it blend in a bit, though.
Questoris Knights are the name for the Knight Errant and Knight Paladin in Extermination, so yeah it already is the name they've given non Cerastus knights.
Received my Legion Invasion Force and Vulkan today. Absolutely gorgeous sculpt, and aside from a tiny bit of mold slip on the leg of the casualty on the scenic base, looks like my Vulkan was a flawless cast. Kesare's skull, by the way, looks fantastic. Also, on a cursory look, if I find I don't like the left hand position that's been the subject of much criticism, it appears easy to reposition.
Also, this is my first Primarch, and lord, but he's big.
Gitsplitta wrote: I need to get into another game like I need another hole in the head... but Lord help me I love the 30k minis.
I know better than to think I'll find much in the way of 30k armies to square off against, but I'd bet that I can find 40k armies whose owners are game to give it a try, so it's all good.
Gitsplitta wrote: I need to get into another game like I need another hole in the head... but Lord help me I love the 30k minis.
I know better than to think I'll find much in the way of 30k armies to square off against, but I'd bet that I can find 40k armies whose owners are game to give it a try, so it's all good.
