Jacob29 wrote: Also why can you buy Radukar the Wolf on his own???
He has literally 0 gameplay value on his own...
Because he's the only one that has a separate sprue from the get-go. Like the boss from BSF, its so much easier for them to repack and sell
Feel like there should be a warning somewhere though....
Like the Battletome?
Though I do get what you mean, but at the same time chances are as its direct order only most who order will have at least read the battletome prior or have some means to search for ideal starting lists and such. Plus total newbies would be pushed toward the getting started set with troops and leader as a starting point.
You're completely in the right in the assertion as it was done extremely poorly and would have been understandable if they came out with an frank statement acknowledging why a heavily marketed continuous run boxset suddenly went poof after the predictable initial run sellout. The deletion etc., coupled with the intentional expansion sets and now them being released as a 'direct only' sale, does make one feel that the whole Cursed City project didn't exactly go to plan on their end.
Would also help if Radukar and the bad guys lot were not direct only allowing for third party discounts which would at least mitigate some of the ire associated with the boxset being sold out and not available anymore.
Third party retailers, as far as I'm aware, can order Direct Only items but with zero discount on their end.
Jacob29 wrote: Also why can you buy Radukar the Wolf on his own???
He has literally 0 gameplay value on his own...
He has 'blade' so he is more legal mini for Vampire Lord than actual Vampire Lord
And to be honest, that's what I would run him as. Vyrkos vampires are supposed to all be Eastern Europe wannabes, so Warhammer Fantasy-esque minis just don't fit their look at all. Small Radukar is funnily enough very good at filling that hole...
Jacob29 wrote: Also why can you buy Radukar the Wolf on his own???
He has literally 0 gameplay value on his own...
He has 'blade' so he is more legal mini for Vampire Lord than actual Vampire Lord
And to be honest, that's what I would run him as. Vyrkos vampires are supposed to all be Eastern Europe wannabes, so Warhammer Fantasy-esque minis just don't fit their look at all. Small Radukar is funnily enough very good at filling that hole...
Crimson wrote: I just hope that they will release the Cursed City heroes separately too. Those are some really nice miniatures.
Would be nice but sadly they didn't do this for the Blackstone Fortress explorers.
I mean, they didn't do it for Blackstone Fortress enemies either, and yet here we are
They did, the chaos lord was released separately as well as the 'reinforcements' set that had an extra set of the sprues with more beastmen, ghouls and traitor guard etc.
"Servants of the Abyss"
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Wonder how big the Wight King ends up being compared to the older plastics he's forced to be accompanied by for the foreseeable future (c'mon GW...). Difficult to tell from the pic, which is probably photoshopped anyway.
Well that new set is not bad if it the price is about the same as earlier ones but I do think they should have made Wight King separate also. And he is actually quite chunky.
And (although I am probably sole person in these regards) I don't think Black Knights are bad for their point cost.
The Black Knights aren't as old as the rest of the range. They came out alongside the Coven Throne, Vargheists, etc. I'm expecting them to be a bit smaller, but the kit still looks good. Much better than the grave guard. They really should repaint these for the website
GaroRobe wrote: The Black Knights aren't as old as the rest of the range. They came out alongside the Coven Throne, Vargheists, etc. I'm expecting them to be a bit smaller, but the kit still looks good. Much better than the grave guard
Meh, makes sense for them to be slightly smaller than the leader dude
NinthMusketeer wrote: I like how Volga and Raddy the Beast have additional models incorporated onto their bases. Really makes them feel more integrated into the army as a whole for me. The more I look at these four vampire sculpts the more I like them. From Volga's unique clothing aesthetic to how freakishly gaunt Annika is, I think there were a lot of excellent choices made in those designs.
Eh, I have different feeling, because these models aren't really 'part' of the army. Where is unit of wolf footed rapier vampires? Or huge wolves like the one accompanying Volga? There isn't even anything in the tome you can proxy them as, no elite infantry or big scary animals, making them seem like useless stragglers in the rules and taunting Vyrkos playes in what might have been...
Goose LeChance wrote: Seems odd to fill the SC box with Grave Guard, considering they just released new skeletons that don't match at all.
I am shocked they put in 20 of them, if it was 40K box, they would find a way to put in 5 or maybe 10 at best. See AoS still getting SC while 40K gets crap value CP. Fun fact, DA Combat "Patrol" has ~1/3 of the mini count found in this CP
It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
If something is preventing GW from making anymore Cursed City, i bet the same thing would be preventing them from making any expansions.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
The Witch Hunter in Cursed City is an agent of Neferata, so I don't know on that...
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration. They've done "Retinues" so, so, so much better in other armies than the one they first threw the idea out in. It's really disappointing how heavily they continually sold that concept on while doing nothing meaningful with it.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
If something is preventing GW from making anymore Cursed City, i bet the same thing would be preventing them from making any expansions.
It's literally been known for years now that the bottleneck for these kinds of things is always the cardboard components.
GW doesn't produce those in-house. Nothing prevents them from doing the models. Why they don't is anyone's guess.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
The Witch Hunter in Cursed City is an agent of Neferata, so I don't know on that.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
If something is preventing GW from making anymore Cursed City, i bet the same thing would be preventing them from making any expansions.
It's literally been known for years now that the bottleneck for these kinds of things is always the cardboard components.
GW doesn't produce those in-house. Nothing prevents them from doing the models. Why they don't is anyone's guess.
"Agent of Neferata" is pretty strong. It seemed to me more that she sent some money along to commission a vampire hunter to go deal with her allies, and less that he knows he's working for Neferata and follows her blindly. It's the same as if Ronald McDonald hired an assassin to kill the Burger King. The assassin is just taking the money and doing the job.
SamusDrake wrote: It would be supremely cool if the Cursed City explorers were released alongside the Witchhunters, and had rules in Broken Realms: Kragnos. Pretty sure most of them would come under Cities of Sigmar and would be a good-guy counter part to Radukar's Court.
If something is preventing GW from making anymore Cursed City, i bet the same thing would be preventing them from making any expansions.
It's literally been known for years now that the bottleneck for these kinds of things is always the cardboard components.
GW doesn't produce those in-house. Nothing prevents them from doing the models. Why they don't is anyone's guess.
Well, it's safe to assume any Cured City expansion would have cardboard in them, innit?
I would be much more interested in the Wight King bundle if it had the 10 easy to build skeletons from Cursed City. Not big on the grave guard, and I want that skeleton leader with the face mask.
Just a potential warning; if you want the Cursed City baddies, buy them pretty quickly. They probably won't stay around for long, despite having rules in the battle tome. When they released the BSF bad guy boxes, they were only around for a year or less. Now you can't even find them
KingGarland wrote: Quick question about the new battletome. When it is released does that mean that the old Legions of Nagash book will be no longer be legal for use?
Correct, Soulblight Gravelords are the replacement for Legions of Nagash.
Not that much. Legions of Nagash (now ot of print) had pieces for both Soulblight, Nighthaunt and what would be OBR.
Neferata = good.
Lauka Vai = good.
Female Blood Knight (Blood Lady?) = good.
Plate boob armor = dumb.
Ever heard about bikini armor in D&D and videogames? a similar thing here: instead of wearing too little protection, why would they wear "protection" detrimental to them?
Men don't go around with perfectly shaped armor for their crotches in fantasy settings (well, sometimes they do, in parody ones).
Sure, but you know, that's how they are depicted as GW miniatures. Sisters of Battle are the same.
That's what I don't understand ; why the Blood Knights specifically while GW is doing the exact same thing for all female warriors wearing armor. It's not like it's something new - like oversized weapons, bigger hands and more "heroic" proportions.
That's not the thing either.
Like I said: don't do brattle or fully embrace them. If I like boob armour but I don't want a single one in my unit of five, I should have at least another torso. This doesn't happen with SoB for an obvious reason.
This is already an issue with cavalry as a whole, because at least infantry usually can look different enough, but cavalry has difficulties in standing out and not looking samey when you start to collect more.
Wouldn't be surprised if a new version of him appears in the next Ossiarch Bonereapers battletome coming in AoS 3rd editio, along with the obvious new archer unit.
Don't expect a new BT so soon, they already said that the intention is to have the current ones to work with the new Edition.
I am quite surprised with the SC! so early. This can mean that they won't replace them with CPs like they did for 40K. I just wish they added them alongside the new factions, but maybe they did it here because the only new unit is the mounted Wight King
This gives me hopes for SC! Sacrosanct Sigmarines and Nighthaunt.
Maybe someday I will get one for Bonesplitterz, but one can wish...
Jacob29 wrote: So if you want the new Wight King (who has gak rules)
You have to also take 5 Black Knights, one of the most useless units in the entire game. Amazing.
The 20 Grave Guard is very nice, just wish Wight Kings were extremely neglected in the book, and that Black Knights weren't literally useless.
You can make Black Knights into Hexwraiths instead.
CMLR wrote: If I like boob armour but I don't want a single one in my unit of five, I should have at least another torso.
But... there are two female/boobplate torsos in the Blood Knights kit:
Spoiler:
Those are two different torsos.
Well, I couldn't see it on the website. Now I can see it clearly. This is much better now (I will still find the battle bras dumb, but in the context you get what I mean).
The lance literally covered enough of the website's photo for me to look at the metal cup. I blame GW on this one.
Hobby's saved, now I can return to play with my toy soldiers at peace.
I think the most positive note, which some have pointed out already, is that Start Collecting boxes in AoS are here to stay. I personally prefer SC over the new Combat Patrols mainly due to the price of entry.
So...
that was really fast on Cursed City villains. Not shocked, but I'm downright excited to see what horrifying price point they put on them. As bad as the indomitus sprues, or are they going for full box price?
SC set is... galling. I hate the contents. I hate the fact that they locked up the one really good character model for the entire release inside it. Crappy behavior, GW.
Surprised by everything else coming in a sudden deluge. Good to see some character models free of their bondage, slightly impressed by the SM Combat Patrol, just because some of those are hard to get or absurdly pricey on their own.
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
Don't get me wrong, I don't see Cities of Sigmar going away.
I see it becoming more like what we're seeing in Broken Realms. More focused cities with allied contingents able to be taken alongside of the Stormkeeps as well.
Who else wants the return of the old Grand Alliance books?
While I do want the return of exclusive DE, Dorfs, Empire, and so on, I'd like to keep the option of cohesive rules for mixed armies like in early AoS.
Regarding CC baddies, this ain't gonna end well. I wish they could rotate all Warhammer Quests boxes or add them each couple of years in Made to Order or something like that, I don't see the need to make them stay just for a year or two (or a day or two).
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
Was that the Dark Elvish one? iIrc it wasn't wiped out, they just made genocide on non-elven people and executed elven people that didn't pledged to ÜberMorathi.
On the one hand I do appreciate and enjoy the idea of grand armies allied together ignoring racial and faction boundaries standing together. Some, like Chaos Demons were once single armies; others give you neat ways to tell stories and just do fun things with models.
At the same time I think that that system is open to being basically broken in terms of balance based on the way GW balances models. It's just too open to being used as a perfect min-max system.
Personally I'd say there are two ideal ways to bring that back
1) Open Play. Release a general Open Play book that has the option to do GA armies within it. Build it around that concept and that way it doesn't impact the Matched Play system nor does it impact the visual identiy of armies GW sells.
2) AoSApoc. Basically give AoS some mass battle rules like 40K has, market them as their own thing and build the GA system into that. It acutally plays really well into the fact that most Apoc style games are huge alliances anyway and it lets you play with lots of things all at once; leaving Matched Play (the games standard) alone.
Right now I feel that AoS has allies and mercenaries in a really good position. They are there for most armies as an option and can bring their own thing; but the limits on them prevent them dominating the game both statistically and visually.
The way that they aren't even using the words Cursed City when talking about the CC enemy models, it really makes me think about the theory floated about CC being a rip-off of someone else's IP/copyright/trademark/product.
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
If anything changes CoS will be more Free People oriented while Dispossessed will go into a dwarf tome with Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords(something the rumors have talked about recently) and all the old elf stuff will become its own faction or split between the non-light elf factions. Personally not against this as currently the sub-factions don't play nice with each other and several factions can form a tome of their own.
So I don't think CoS will go, but it will become more focused.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
Was that the Dark Elvish one? iIrc it wasn't wiped out, they just made genocide on non-elven people and executed elven people that didn't pledged to ÜberMorathi.
Anvilgard's still there, just renamed to Har Kuron. It was a primarily Elf town to begin with, being a homebase for the Scourge Privateers and Order Serpentis in Aqshy for their beast-taming expeditions.
Worth mentioning that in the same book that Anvilgard was removed, there was a new city added that had similar "hive of scum and villainy" appeal in the form of "Misthavn" in Ulgu which did a far, far better job of the concept of "elf city with others there to serve as monster-chow if necessary" than Anvilgard ever did. I've personally been thinking Anvilgard's "removal" was more to test the waters for subfaction specific Cities, of which it did a stellar job.
If anything changes CoS will be more Free People oriented while Dispossessed will go into a dwarf tome with Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords(something the rumors have talked about recently) and all the old elf stuff will become its own faction or split between the non-light elf factions. Personally not against this as currently the sub-factions don't play nice with each other and several factions can form a tome of their own.
So I don't think CoS will go, but it will become more focused.
Frankly, if anything changes it will be CoS introducing more "faction sponsorship" cities.
We have a Lumineth city, Stormkeeps, and a Daughters of Khaine city.
I would definitely imagine there being a Fyreslayer or Overlords city. Hell, Tempest's Eye fits the bill for the latter really.
EightFoldPath wrote: The way that they aren't even using the words Cursed City when talking about the CC enemy models, it really makes me think about the theory floated about CC being a rip-off of someone else's IP/copyright/trademark/product.
That... no one can point to, can name, or even has ever heard of.
CC was a mess, but it wasn't because of that. Had there been some actual IP infringement, the game-focused parts of the internet would've been screaming about it. It wouldn't have been able to stay 'under the radar.'
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
I just love this selective perception. Yep, a city was wiped out. Never mind that they included a note the rules for that city are still valid, replaced that city with a new one, added another new one on top of that in the same book, added yet another new free city in BR Teclis, and that two of the box sets have been for CoS.
I want to get some of these models, but I've just never really got into the AOS thing (maybe played 1 game at small points). I used to have Undead and High Elves for WHFB and the current Soul Blight (minus monster lady) and Lumineth (minus ridiculous Teclis) are ticking all the boxes. (I do have soem Gloomspite, which are basically just the old school gobbos for me)
For someone in my position, having Cursed City and the Direchasm Vampires, that start collecting looks like a real winner. Throw in some Vampire Knights, wolves and a few bats....and away we go.
Now, maybe I'll give new AOS a try, but otherwise I'll just grab a different set of fantasy rules.
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
I just love this selective perception. Yep, a city was wiped out. Never mind that they included a note the rules for that city are still valid, replaced that city with a new one, added another new one on top of that in the same book, added yet another new free city in BR Teclis, and that two of the box sets have been for CoS.
Yep, overall Cities of Sigmar is in a better place at the moment.
I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.
Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.
Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.
bullyboy wrote: I want to get some of these models, but I've just never really got into the AOS thing (maybe played 1 game at small points). I used to have Undead and High Elves for WHFB and the current Soul Blight (minus monster lady) and Lumineth (minus ridiculous Teclis) are ticking all the boxes. (I do have soem Gloomspite, which are basically just the old school gobbos for me)
For someone in my position, having Cursed City and the Direchasm Vampires, that start collecting looks like a real winner. Throw in some Vampire Knights, wolves and a few bats....and away we go.
Now, maybe I'll give new AOS a try, but otherwise I'll just grab a different set of fantasy rules.
AoS. 2.0 is a fantastic set of rules and if 3rd doesn't make too many major changes it should be more refined.
Arbitrator wrote: I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.
The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.
Arbitrator wrote: I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.
Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.
Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.
I don't think so, CoS has proven to be extremely popular. I think if anything, they'll expand out on it like they are doing with the Witch Hunters.
Arbitrator wrote: I imagine CoS will end up in a similar situation to Legions of Nagash. Nothing will be directly squated, but the various sub-factions will be torn off into various other battletomes as the Nighthaunt and what would later become the Ossiarch stuff was going into Gravelords. The white knights will shriek nothing was technically squated and you should thank GW for not taking it out back to be shot with the Bretonnians.
Grungi will do his thing and they'll write a line about almost all Dispossessed migrating to Battletome: Khazalid Holdthanes or whatever, the Wanderers getting merged back in with the Sylvaneth, etc. Phoenix Temple will probably just be outright squated though.
Meanwhile most of the Freeguild/College/Ironweld will become Battletome: Freeguild Regimentiums or whatever noun-noun name they come up with.
It's surprising how often this crops up. Cities of Sigmar has been a massively popular book. The only old art they used in the third edition intro was the cities of Sigmar cover art. Ben Johnson explicitly mentioned Aelves, Duardin and men marching out from the cities on campaign each day.
I think Cities of Sigmar will get a substantial and positive update this edition.
I like how it is considered white knighting to suggest that an army going from one battletome of content to multiple battletomes of content is a good thing.
Quite liking this release, feels more like a classic WHFB release. Vampire Counts are back.
New zombies, skellies, dire wolves, fell bats, prices aren't as gougy as usual, Start Collecting box is solid and has some of the better older sculpts in it along with a nice newer mini.
Mostly interested in the bats and wolves, everything else I already got from Mantic.
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.
One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.
Three, actually - the new Anvilgard (old can indeed still be played), the other in Shyish and one in Hysh.
But I get the fears that Cities of Sigmar in its current form (soup with units from former Warhammer Battle) may change in 3rd edition. It's more focused on the units you can take than the "subfaction/city rules", I believe.
CoS was a passion project from one designer, rather than something GW seemingly had well planned. We know they have a pretty sizeable schedule laid out as for their future projects. To me that suggests CoS was a surprise success rather than something they'd banked on making future plans around. The Witch Hunter duo are of course the wild cards, but I wouldn't be too shocked if they're akin to the Lumineth duo and can be taken in any Order army.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I like how it is considered white knighting to suggest that an army going from one battletome of content to multiple battletomes of content is a good thing.
More that it tends to be white knights who insist people should 500% buy into armies teetering on being potentially squated and then turn around and say it's a good thing/you should've seen it coming.
Voss wrote: So...
that was really fast on Cursed City villains. Not shocked, but I'm downright excited to see what horrifying price point they put on them. As bad as the indomitus sprues, or are they going for full box price?
BSF's cultists were rather nicely priced at the time. Although I'm not expecting that now, especially for characters. It's not impossible though - just very unlikely!
At this point I would fear Beasts of Chaos being more likely to be squatted than Cities of Sigmar. Even the new teaser trailer for 3.0 has Free People in it.
Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.
Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.
I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.
But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life
One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.
Even then Anvilguard is now a city of Khaine-Morathi rather than destroyed - be cool to get Cities of various gods
I don't think Cities will be squatted, but at the same time I don't know how GW are going to advance with the idea of cities. Right now its basically a load of different armies mashed together and not many match the more steam-punk style of cities lore that we have in the stories.
I can see GW easily branching out the dwarf content into their own army without much resistance. Dwarves have only 2 armies right now and one is slayers and one is Khadorans. A 3rd which is more grounded regular dwarves would work easily within the setting and be a neat part of the story in them reclaiming regions of the realm of metal.
The Human part of Cities is also easy to fix since its quite watered down and there's no other human armies in the game. It can easily be reworked and added too.
The real question is over the elf content. GW has been teasing with Kurnothi which could or could not merge with the remaining wood elf models.
We've had Daughters of Khaine reunited with the Dark Elf models in Cities through an alliance. Is GW testing the water for doing full reunited Dark Elf army in the future?
Or will Cities remain purely its own thing, with GW shoring up the lore and concepts behind different cities and the asthetics within them visually.
As I see it Cities could well go the path that we've seen with Legion of Nagash. A force that steady gets other armies spliced out of it. Or it could be remade visually into an entirely new set of designs or it could bumble along losing old models and getting replacements.
Cities is perhaps the hardest army and force to predict its future right now.
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.
Yeah. Some years ago I decided to get into AOS and bought an built a bunch Free People models. Shortly after Cities of Sigmar was released and a lot of them were squatted, and they didn't even receive Legends support unlike many much older models that had been removed at AOS launch. So kinda got burned by that, and I'm hesitant to get into CoS until they get a new book and new models that I can be sure will remain in the game for a long time.
And the lack of proper presence of 'normal people' makes all the fantastic stuff feel less fantastic. If everyone is some sort of weird fantasy creature or immortal superbeing it just becomes undefined mush as there is no baseline for contrast. I like Stormcast and I have a bunch of them, but I definitely want field them allied to normal humans.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.
Yeah. Some years ago I decided to get into AOS and bought an built a bunch Free People models. Shortly after Cities of Sigmar was released and a lot of them were squatted, and they didn't even receive Legends support unlike many much older models that had been removed at AOS launch. So kinda got burned by that, and I'm hesitant to get into CoS until they get a new book and new models that I can be sure will remain in the game for a long time.
And the lack of proper presence of 'normal people' makes all the fantastic stuff feel less fantastic. If everyone is some sort of weird fantasy creature or immortal superbeing it just becomes undefined mush as there is no baseline for contrast. I like Stormcast and I have a bunch of them, but I definitely want field them allied to normal humans.
Thats why after greenskins were squatted I waited for the Ogres Book to start them. GW has shown than with AoS they have no qualms about squatting stuff that they are "supporting" even with SC! like the old greenskins.
Now, with stuff like the plastic tyrant, CC ogre mercenary, etc... I'm sure GW is not gonna drop ogres any time soon and I colleted a full army without any problem, but they should realize that having this hanging guillotine over some factions necks is gonna make many people hesitant to buy into.
Overread wrote: I don't think Cities will be squatted, but at the same time I don't know how GW are going to advance with the idea of cities. Right now its basically a load of different armies mashed together and not many match the more steam-punk style of cities lore that we have in the stories.
I can see GW easily branching out the dwarf content into their own army without much resistance. Dwarves have only 2 armies right now and one is slayers and one is Khadorans. A 3rd which is more grounded regular dwarves would work easily within the setting and be a neat part of the story in them reclaiming regions of the realm of metal.
The Human part of Cities is also easy to fix since its quite watered down and there's no other human armies in the game. It can easily be reworked and added too.
The real question is over the elf content. GW has been teasing with Kurnothi which could or could not merge with the remaining wood elf models.
We've had Daughters of Khaine reunited with the Dark Elf models in Cities through an alliance. Is GW testing the water for doing full reunited Dark Elf army in the future?
Or will Cities remain purely its own thing, with GW shoring up the lore and concepts behind different cities and the asthetics within them visually.
As I see it Cities could well go the path that we've seen with Legion of Nagash. A force that steady gets other armies spliced out of it. Or it could be remade visually into an entirely new set of designs or it could bumble along losing old models and getting replacements.
Cities is perhaps the hardest army and force to predict its future right now.
I agree. The big issue is that CoS is were a lot of the surviving old models from fantasy have ended up. It takes a long time to make new models, new vampire/skeleton stuff is just coming out.
Personally I feel cities should be a more pure human faction, in lore they can still be multiracial, but the models should human soldiers. For the elves I always felt the Phoenix guard should have been Lumineth from the start, dark elves should be worked into a shadow aelves faction under Maleron and Wanderers into the wild aelves.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
Those'll be the likely places to pick up that mini at least in the short term unfortunately. Shame to think that I wouldn't put it past them to make such a move.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.
TalonZahn wrote: I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.
Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.
Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.
It just seems odd to stick 20 old WHFB style Grave Guard into a starter box when they literally just released new shiny Skeletons, Zombies, Dire Wolves and Blood Knights.
Maybe they genuinely think it's best to use Grave Guard and so cast up a fresh batch, or maybe the last batch has been sitting in their warehouse for the past 5 years and they figure they'll shift them before they get updated some time in the future.
I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.
I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.
TalonZahn wrote: I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.
Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.
At some point it would become obvious that it's going to happen, and if you're still surprised by it, I'm going to laugh at you complaining about it.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.
I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.
Indeed. "We price the characters so high nobody buys them unless we stick them in a bundle nobody wants to create the illusion of better value" isn't a great defense.
TalonZahn wrote: I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.
Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.
At some point it would become obvious that it's going to happen, and if you're still surprised by it, I'm going to laugh at you complaining about it.
I didn't say you had to enjoy it.
Just because i'm not suprised doesn't mean i don't get to be mad.
If someone runs at you with a knife for ten minutes, you aren't any less upset by the fact you got stabbed despite the fact you got stabbed.
Besides, GW has recently relased other single character/HQ-type units that they didn't confine to a bundle.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.
Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.
Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.
I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.
Well I rolled the armour save, I didn't say I passed
NinthMusketeer wrote: I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.
This reminds me of the Start Collecting! 40K that have exclusive HQs and named characters, and sometimes they are an afterthought. Plastic Ethereals on Hover Drones, Wolf Lords on foot, Artemis; it is nice to have the option to buy them separetely, but having them in a bundle cheapens them heavely (Plastic Ethereal, Artemis).
This also reminds me of the SC! StD, with all of the pushfit and hex bases, and the absurd prices they gave to the Silver Tower heroes individually.
Brb, I have to buy a SC! TS just in case they want to take Ahriman from the CP.
An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.
None of the new sculpts from the SC StD box were released individually. They're all box exclusive but tbh, it;s a box of monopose alt-pose minis. The only frustrating thing is the Chaos Lord being locked to the box.
You can still get Chaos Warriors and Knights normally.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.
I'm convinced they are saving the release of those individual kits for when the next book comes out. There's a rumor engine pic that looks strongly like a new chaos horse leg and has me thinking there might be new marauders in our future.
At the same time it could be something for warcry, so who knows.
Also new marauders will be bitter sweet- the mounted marauders have some of my favorite heads in the whole of GW kits. I'll be sad to see them go, but I will be ecstatic about new foot marauders.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.
Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.
Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.
You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.
I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.
I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.
Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.
Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.
You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.
I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.
I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.
Right but now you’ve just quadrupled the amount of warehouse inventory slots you need. Because when you run off a batch of sprues intending to make boxes, you also run off an equal batch of bases, and order the printed components to go with. So instead of storing 5000 boxes of Black Knights or whatever, you’re storing 5000 sprues of Black Knights, 5k sets of assembly instructions, 5k baggies of bases, and 5k units of cardboard box and whenever you want to send out five or fifty, you have to send four people into the warehouse instead of one.
It looks like some kind of... metal shield mask thing with eyes and crude metal teeth, that a tongue is impaled on? One of the first times when after seeing a Rumour Engine i go "What the hell could this possibly be a part of" rathern than "I wonder which one of the possible things is this a part of"
The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.
I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.
People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.
I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.
Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.
Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.
Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.
Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.
You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.
I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.
I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.
Right but now you’ve just quadrupled the amount of warehouse inventory slots you need. Because when you run off a batch of sprues intending to make boxes, you also run off an equal batch of bases, and order the printed components to go with. So instead of storing 5000 boxes of Black Knights or whatever, you’re storing 5000 sprues of Black Knights, 5k sets of assembly instructions, 5k baggies of bases, and 5k units of cardboard box and whenever you want to send out five or fifty, you have to send four people into the warehouse instead of one.
Boxes are generally flat packed until they're ready for combining with the product. They wouldn't come from the printer as boxes, they'd come as cardboard sheets that are folded into boxes. And the bases are likely stored in an even bigger storage box because they're common to many units. And I'm talking about their warehouse rather than the distribution centres, they aren't sending people into the warehouse for five boxes to send off to a random store, this is the step between manufacture and prior to going to the distribution centres where they'd be handling pallet loads of product.
Again, this is just my guess, I have no info of the actual GW operations, if I walked into GW's warehouse I would expect to see storage racks full of boxes full of sprues ready to be packaged, not boxes of models ready to ship out, I also wouldn't be surprised to find nothing stored because maybe they do only make enough to restock the distribution centres and store very little in their warehouse.
But it seems in the past GW have boxed up old stock as part of a Start Collecting to get rid of it (like the Orc stuff at the beginning of AoS just after WHFB was killed), and it seems like MAYBE that's what they're doing again with Grave Guard.
Another alternative along similar lines is maybe they don't have any stock stored up, but know they're going to retire a mould soon because it's worn out but not worth remaking, and so give it the final run before disposing of the moulds.
Rihgu wrote: The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.
I mean the tongue has maggots on it so it's pretty clearly not fresh
Nothing against the faction and certainly not its players( you all seem a nice bunch ), but I can't stand the theme. I can just about deal with Minotaurs in leather stockings but thats as far from the Shire as I'm going to walk...
Nothing against the faction and certainly not its players( you all seem a nice bunch ), but I can't stand the theme. I can just about deal with Minotaurs in leather stockings but thats as far from the Shire as I'm going to walk...
I'm the same. I'm beyond over Nurgle. I've never liked the faction but never begrudged the people who do like it getting all the fun toys... but to pass to quickly on from Slaanesh would be irritating.
I love Nurgle (or I thought I did. Love maggotkin, hate death guard) but I'll be annoyed if it is nurgle. Or just more chaos. We need more Destruction. I'm already going to be disappointed if it's not Fimir (which it looks like it's not) but nothing's a dealbreaker unless it's just another flavor of a chaos faction we already have...
With them remaking the Forgeworld type models I think this will be the AOS take on Chaos Dwarves. Kragnos could be the herald of the "Bull Centaurs" or the lost cousin of them and then have the hobgoblins, Chaos Dwarves and all the mechanical monstrosities to go along with them. the face could be either like the old sorcerers who began to turn to stone with use of power, or part of a construct.
Rihgu wrote: The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.
I mean the tongue has maggots on it so it's pretty clearly not fresh
or a worm. Worms crawling through stuff features in Sylvaneth models relatively frequently
I feel confident in saying that the new starter will be a Destruction army, after having Chaos in the 1st edition starter and Death in the 2nd edition starter.
Then fourth can have an Order army, yay!
Owait that makes no sense… Order can’t fight Order… or can it?!
Ah, I see now, fourth edition will be Stormcast in lightning-powered mech suits vs. Daughters of Khaine! The edition will be called Insurrection Wars! It is foreseeeeen!
Mr_Rose wrote: Then fourth can have an Order army, yay!
Owait that makes no sense… Order can’t fight Order… or can it?!
Ah, I see now, fourth edition will be Stormcast in lightning-powered mech suits vs. Daughters of Khaine! The edition will be called Insurrection Wars! It is foreseeeeen!
4th edition will be Stormcast VS Cities of Sigmar as the Cities finally give up on being purged and decide ot throw off the shackles of their god in a huge uprising!
Or or Seraphon as the Slaan unlesh a crazy plan that's been bubbling away for generations
Or DoK as Morathi surprisingly backstabs him - again
Or or or Malarions army finally takes to the field in a bid to defeat the God King Sigmar and drive his Stormcast back a few notches so that Shadow can rise to rule the Realms nad drive back the forces of Chaos
Or by the time 4th edition rolls around (in about three years) we'll go back to a different flavor of Chaos and start the cycle over again. With Kragnos ending the Broken Realms series and that leading into 3rd edition seals it for me that it will be a Destruction army in the new starter.
Mr_Rose wrote: Then fourth can have an Order army, yay!
Owait that makes no sense… Order can’t fight Order… or can it?!
Ah, I see now, fourth edition will be Stormcast in lightning-powered mech suits vs. Daughters of Khaine! The edition will be called Insurrection Wars! It is foreseeeeen!
Ikit Already has Skaven in Lightning Powered Mech Suits - not on the tabletop yet but...in the lore
Order fights order all the time - especially the Idoneth Deepkin.
GaroRobe wrote: I love Nurgle (or I thought I did. Love maggotkin, hate death guard) but I'll be annoyed if it is nurgle. Or just more chaos. We need more Destruction. I'm already going to be disappointed if it's not Fimir (which it looks like it's not) but nothing's a dealbreaker unless it's just another flavor of a chaos faction we already have...
Every time people think "it's going to be Tomb Kings/Chaos dwarfs/Vampirates/Fimir", you know it's 100% not going to be that. It does look more goblinoid than chaosy tho.
Sotahullu wrote: I am sure that it is destruction related, atleast.
There even has been talk about it being new breed of greenskins (rumours so take it with big mountain of salt).
And is it Fimir related? I would rather ask how do you know it is not Fimir?
Wrong number of eyes and doesn’t match any look Fimir have had before. I mean it’s not impossible for it to be some weird new take on Fimir, but it’s really not very likely.
I think they are rehashing the Forgeworld Chaos Dwarves and their story arc and possibly fleshing it out into a new faction complete with the mechanized train beast. This is probably part of the engine and the demon/beast bound to the iron demon. I always loved the idea of binding captured demons to do your nasty work, and this could be a Nurgle demon bound to the machine as a slave. Destruction using chaos to achieve their goals.
With those eyes that appear to be living, I'm betting it's something like a savage human or beastman shaman wearing a crude metal Tiki-mask that is supposed to resemble Kragnos, or something. The big white space in the middle of the "mouth" is probably the model's face, photoshopped out.
Kind of like the Tiki mask of the Savage Orruk from Underworlds (or the way older metal model with one).
Nothing against the faction and certainly not its players( you all seem a nice bunch ), but I can't stand the theme. I can just about deal with Minotaurs in leather stockings but thats as far from the Shire as I'm going to walk...
I feel the same way too. Nurgle models actually trigger a response that just makes me physically ill when I look at them. Too gross, but neat from afar.
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AegisGrimm wrote: With those eyes that appear to be living, I'm betting it's something like a savage human or beastman shaman wearing a crude metal Tiki-mask that is supposed to resemble Kragnos, or something. The big white space in the middle of the "mouth" is probably the model's face, photoshopped out.
Kind of like the Tiki mask of the Savage Orruk from Underworlds (or the way older metal model with one).
IDK. I would love Fimir but I dont want to get my hopes up. Honestly the chaos shield-face from the preview is more in line with where i would have expected the Fimir aesthetic to have landed based on the last stuff from forgeworld.
So it seems safer to assume this is going to be some form of Goblin or Ork. If its anything else (let Fimir) it will just be a welcome surprise.
Carlovonsexron wrote: IDK. I would love Fimir but I dont want to get my hopes up. Honestly the chaos shield-face from the preview is more in line with where i would have expected the Fimir aesthetic to have landed based on the last stuff from forgeworld.
So it seems safer to assume this is going to be some form of Goblin or Ork. If its anything else (let Fimir) it will just be a welcome surprise.
Then again the fimir are now destruction rather than chaos.
Sotahullu wrote: I am sure that it is destruction related, atleast.
There even has been talk about it being new breed of greenskins (rumours so take it with big mountain of salt).
And is it Fimir related? I would rather ask how do you know it is not Fimir?
Wrong number of eyes and doesn’t match any look Fimir have had before. I mean it’s not impossible for it to be some weird new take on Fimir, but it’s really not very likely.
It's not the wrong number if you just look at it the right way. There seem to be three eyes there, and if it's an effigy of Kragnos, the lower pair of eyes is for the boring races while the lone upper eye gives representation to the Fimir, thus combining all of his worshippers in a single monument to his glory.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: That's... extremly pirate-y, and simultenously Goblin-y. Could it be the Sky Pirate Goblins that were mentioned in Khadron lore several times?
I still think both of those are like Eldar Exodites - parts of the lore that GW hangs before you to tempt you to buy two models to convert into one. In those cases getting goblins or skaven and converting them with Khadoran airships
...so if AoS gets a Resin kit remade in Plastic it gets significantly cheaper, but if 40k gets a Resin kit remade in Plastic it doesn't?
if the old set of the main well selling game gets remade, it gets more expensive
if the old set of the less well selling main game gets remade, it needs a competitive price so people who think 40k is too expensive change to that game instead to wander off to another company
£118 for just the miniature components of Pariah Nexus, that set is still widely available with the "terrain", boards, rulebook etc for £95.
The Gravelords start collecting is an ok price if you want the Black Knights and Grave Guard. Those are £70 rrp without the Wight Lord on steed, that is going to be a £25+ mini on his own. So in the 20% off preorder window from a FLGS the start collecting for £48 odd is alright.
It is odd how GW prices both surprise and perplex you. I am ok with Radukar the Beast but think Belladamma is a bit too much,no idea why they are the same price.
Overread wrote: Vampires would have more class - that looks more like an orruk or goblin hook with its bent curved shape as opposed to a smooth and elegant curve
Some of it sounds plausible (july drop, shaman with a cauldron, army of greenskins) and some sounds either silly (cruel boyz) or unlikely (just calling them hobgobs when GW stopped calling any goblin "goblin" and goes by "grots" now)
Yeah I don't buy the names but they seem very sure on their source and it's possible names have been altered to protect that source. I'm not sure I find LoTR style orcs all that interesting in an AoS setting why go that route.
Alpharius wrote: I like Hobgoblins but I'll love them if the get us Chaos Dwarves in plastic, as a full range, finally.
Even if the are called Hashut SmokeBelchers or some such...
More likely with total War/ The Old World project I think - but I guess its not impossible that they do some that would work in both AOS and the Old World
I honestly don't see how a faction being called Cruel boys(or more likely Krule Boyz) is any more improbable than a faction being called Gloomspite Gitz? And lets not forget some of the extremely on the nose unit names in that Battletome
GoatboyBeta wrote: I honestly don't see how a faction being called Cruel boys(or more likely Krule Boyz) is any more improbable than a faction being called Gloomspite Gitz? And lets not forget some of the extremely on the nose unit names in that Battletome
It doesn't follow the holy adjectivenoun+noun format. it's just adjective+noun, clearly fake.
Roll on Imperium part work. I can wait. I know how to wait.
Alas them being box of 5 was pretty obvious from kill team. Just surprised wasn't 32.5...
This is why i was amused when people went nuts over kill team price and said they wait for solo release. If you can't get at least one set cheaper with discount box then why you expect non-discount version be cheaper?
The start collecting is annoying as I was really after that mounted Wight Lord. That said at least the Grave Guard, whilst being ancient and showing their age, are a great unit in game. And you would be insane to pay the current £27.50 for 10, or local equivalent, that they cost for them. The Black Knights seem a lot less useful though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Yeah, it's awfully nice they gave AoS players yet another excellent discount box when 40K players get constantly shafted and lost yet more SC this week for no reason whatsoever. Especially seeing what junk replaced it.
Oh wait, it's another of baseless complains, isn't it
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Yeah, it's awfully nice they gave AoS players yet another excellent discount box when 40K players get constantly shafted and lost yet more SC this week for no reason whatsoever. Especially seeing what junk replaced it.
Oh wait, it's another of baseless complains, isn't it
Or you can stop your baseless defending and actually listen to what people are complaining about? The model not being avalible outside of said box?
Cronch wrote: I mean, it'd be also nice to make the model available on it's own, in case I want to buy that model. You know, being consumer-friendly.
So then wait until it's available separately? They said it was only temporarily exclusive to the box. This is only an issue for people who can't wait to own the newest things right away.
yes, that is in fact how marketing works. They show you thing, and you want the thing.
It doesn't change the fact that it's not consumer-friendly to keep it in a bundle instead of offering the consumer the option to buy it separately. It's a convenience thing, and GW chose to inconvenience those of us who don't want extra old models with their wight king.
Irbis wrote: Yeah, it's awfully nice they gave AoS players yet another excellent discount box when 40K players get constantly shafted and lost yet more SC this week for no reason whatsoever. Especially seeing what junk replaced it.
Oh wait, it's another of baseless complains, isn't it
Your post is a complete non-sequitur that in no way addresses anything I've said.
I wonder what AOS Chaos Dwarfs will even be like? I mean, we have literal chaos dwarfs in Warcry, and in the Eight Lamentations, a dwarf like figure is described in smoking armor, with glowing runes, and it purchases a strange, dwarf-like totem of a bull, so...
GaroRobe wrote: I wonder what AOS Chaos Dwarfs will even be like? I mean, we have literal chaos dwarfs in Warcry, and in the Eight Lamentations, a dwarf like figure is described in smoking armor, with glowing runes, and it purchases a strange, dwarf-like totem of a bull, so...
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Are any of us going to pay half the cost for JUST the wight king anyways?
Not until they make the Wight King actually worth taking.
I tried to build the Black Knights the other day and gosh that was just an awful kit. I refuse to touch the Grave Guard because IMO that's one of the kits that they really needed to upgrade.
So I'll probably sit on my Soulblight force for a few years and hope that GW finishes updating the range, fixes the rules for the Wight King, and doesn't have one new model in a box with two ancient kits.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Yeah, it's awfully nice they gave AoS players yet another excellent discount box when 40K players get constantly shafted and lost yet more SC this week for no reason whatsoever. Especially seeing what junk replaced it.
Oh wait, it's another of baseless complains, isn't it
Irbis wrote: Yeah, it's awfully nice they gave AoS players yet another excellent discount box when 40K players get constantly shafted and lost yet more SC this week for no reason whatsoever. Especially seeing what junk replaced it.
Oh wait, it's another of baseless complains, isn't it
Your post is a complete non-sequitur that in no way addresses anything I've said.
Again.
Don't worry, it's temporary :
From the Warhammer Community article on last Sunday :
"(which is exclusive to this set at time of launch)"
You just have to wait. Not like it will change anything for you, pretty sure you never intended to buy/paint/play him in a short future anyway.
Of course, I have no doubt you will still complain when you will see the price they'll sell it alone.
Funny people are talking about "paywall" here. I mean, all GW products are only available as purchases already. It's not like they give free miniatures at the start.
Putting a hero only in start collecting boxes at first isn't a paywall, guys. The wight king on steed will always be available via a purchase, here, even if sold alone. Use words for what they are meant to. It's not because it has "restricting access" in its definition that it means what you think it means. Paywalls only apply to content that was available for free before in opposition of having to pay to access it (mostly newspapers).
Otherwise, I guess I got paywall'ed too while buying my bread at my baker today.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: The start collecting is annoying as I was really after that mounted Wight Lord. That said at least the Grave Guard, whilst being ancient and showing their age, are a great unit in game. And you would be insane to pay the current £27.50 for 10, or local equivalent, that they cost for them. The Black Knights seem a lot less useful though.
Well if you don't want discounted graveguard can always get wight lord later for likely 40e or so
From the Warhammer Community article on last Sunday :
"(which is exclusive to this set at time of launch)"
You just have to wait. Not like it will change anything for you, pretty sure you never intended to buy/paint/play him in a short future anyway.
Of course, I have no doubt you will still complain when you will see the price they'll sell it alone.
The current Chaos Marines set was released back in early 2019, and the Master of Possessions is still not available separately, dispite being on its own sprue. Those who would like the mounted Wight King as a separate release might be waiting a long time...
From the Warhammer Community article on last Sunday :
"(which is exclusive to this set at time of launch)"
You just have to wait. Not like it will change anything for you, pretty sure you never intended to buy/paint/play him in a short future anyway.
Of course, I have no doubt you will still complain when you will see the price they'll sell it alone.
The current Chaos Marines set was released back in early 2019, and the Master of Possessions is still not available separately, dispite being on its own sprue. Those who would like the mounted Wight King as a separate release might be waiting a long time...
Same with the new chaos warriors release. None of those kits are available separated
Shadox wrote: They do look weirdly similar to the ones Ungor archers have but are definitely not from that box.
Sadly it looks likely to be terrain, a bone and possibly one of the quivers from the Savage Orcs (though I don't think it matches the Savage Orc ones 100%).
Sort of relevant to AOS, even if its just a Warhammer World-style exclusive model. Combine her with the Underworlds warband, and you can almost get 15 unique StD (along with the start collecting)
Looks really good, limited edition, one-place-in-the-world-only exclusives are pure cancer though.
Interesting that her face looks painted way better than the usual GW standard for those things, different painter, or eavy metal team was allowed to show off?
I'm down with event exclusive models, I think it is a cool collectors-style item. As long as there is no mechanical benefit to them vs a normal model in game.
And man do I love this one. It is wonderfully retro with so many details from past WoC kits but updated to modern quality. The shield in particular is a fantastic resculpt. And it's a female humanoid that's apropriately ugly, something shockingly difficult to find. Will happily pay ebay scalper price for that.
I don't know if it's so good that I would drive to LA for it though--THAT may be a price too high!
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm down with event exclusive models, I think it is a cool collectors-style item. As long as there is no mechanical benefit to them vs a normal model in game.
And man do I love this one. It is wonderfully retro with so many details from past WoC kits but updated to modern quality. The shield in particular is a fantastic resculpt. And it's a female humanoid that's apropriately ugly, something shockingly difficult to find. Will happily pay ebay scalper price for that.
I don't know if it's so good that I would drive to LA for it though--THAT may be a price too high!
I'm counting on that Facebook loot group to come in handy. I've got a friend who lives in FL, but I doubt I can convince him to go all the way there to pick up one model :/
That was not my point. Horseis are really good the heads are starting to be not okay and, yet again, my point was not that.
Okay, so Wight King on mount locked on SC! atm, is not a big problem; the kit has 20 Grave Guards, which on themselves are basically the price of the entire box, so price wise they are pretty much gifting you the Wight King.
I do get why would you want the Wigh King alone, but it is pretty much what already happens with my precious SC! Seraphon, and to a leser extend Fyreslayers: nobody ever buys the Carnosaur kit alone again when you can get everything else for free when buying it on the kit.
What happens here is the reverse, and there is a solution to that to: ask someone on your lgs if s/he wants to buy two or more Gravelords SC! and if they will trade you one or two Wight King.
Do note that Black Knights can still be build as Hexwraiths and that Grave Lords are good units, and right now is the best moment to get the mounted Wight Kings, when you can get them cheap, because you know they will get the usual GW overprice once they release him for free.
One thing I don't like about the new Chaos Warrior is that she has the recurrent Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks smirk face " `: ) ".
Just saw the preorders up on the Oz site, nice looking models but at that price, meh. $55AUD for the basic vampires, $210AUD for Radukar's court... makes my interest drain away. Especially after the Crimson Court was such good value.
I think all in all in this release I might maybe perhaps grab some Fell Bats, Dire Wolves and perhaps Zombies.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Time to criticize.
So I agree but I personally am even more annoyed because they put him behind a paywall with a bunch of stuff I actually want, but not the old sculpts. I wanted new Graveguard and Black Knights really badly because I want to play Deathrattle. I don't know man. They don't fit with the new Skeletons at all. It's just disappointing.
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Tim the Biovore wrote: They really are hellbent on selling as few Cursed City sculpts as they can, huh?
It's frankly fascinating at this point.
Are they? My FLGS had 27 requests for preorders today for those models. We had our jaws on the floor because we couldn't much less get 7 people to show up for games pre-covid era, let alone seeing that many preorders. And about half of the requests offered to pre-pay!
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... they put the new Wight King behind a paywall.
That was nice of 'em.
Are any of us going to pay half the cost for JUST the wight king anyways?
Not until they make the Wight King actually worth taking.
I tried to build the Black Knights the other day and gosh that was just an awful kit. I refuse to touch the Grave Guard because IMO that's one of the kits that they really needed to upgrade.
So I'll probably sit on my Soulblight force for a few years and hope that GW finishes updating the range, fixes the rules for the Wight King, and doesn't have one new model in a box with two ancient kits.
I have no proof, but personally I think there is another wave coming al a Lumineth style.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I wouldn't call Cursed City a "discount box".
I'd call it a disaster.
Aye - it wasn't a discount box (like Indomitus was, for example), it was possibly the worst attempt at marketing and releasing a boxed game that I've seen GW manage since, what, Dreadfleet?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I wouldn't call Cursed City a "discount box".
I'd call it a disaster.
Aye - it wasn't a discount box (like Indomitus was, for example), it was possibly the worst attempt at marketing and releasing a boxed game that I've seen GW manage since, what, Dreadfleet?
Dreadfleet's problem is that it wasn't Man O' War. If they'd just made it as a Man O' War 2.0 it would have probably done a lot better and been picked up a good chunk more. Instead it was this strange standalone random ship game with no real purpose.
Cursed City however...
Being vague about it's limited status up to weeks AFTER its pre order, suddenly gone forever and now the seperate bits released are...nearly the cost of the game itself without 75% of the rest of the contents. Ooof.
SamusDrake wrote: Not that it makes much difference, but Radukar's court is £78.50, not £85.
No worries I was going off the cost of the Necron Combat Patrol which is the same price in New Zealand you guys can't catch a break on pricing. Could get a paint for the difference
On a more positive note, Radukar The Beast looks like an ideal model for Underworld's A Crushing Terror rules. The two vampire dudes are just there to give him moral support...
That's just crazy money for the court! the full game was £125
That's the nature of beast with discount boxes.
It wasn't marketed as a discount box, it was a boardgame...
Do note that Black Knights can still be build as Hexwraiths
You could, but hopefully someone would stop you before making a mistake like that. Not only are they horrible to put together, but also utter trash on the tabletop.
Already a bit miffed that the new Wight King is stuck in a boxset for the foreseeable future, but making that snazzy Chaos Warrior lady an event exclusive has me downright disgruntled.
*shrugs* Such is the fate of GW products. At least it has more value than an obscure miniature game that dies in the dark when you sell it years later.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Really dig these wolves, by the way :
Guess we could make profiles for them to play in Cursed City, but their bases will be troublesome to handle on the tiles. Maybe put some of them on a 40mm round base, it should be possible with certain poses.
It was an absolute gak show of a release. There’s no debating that. And the communication was beyond poor.
But. That it’s super limited nature wasn’t mentioned, and even contradicted a few times meant it wasn’t on Scalper’s Radars.
As ever, I got mine so I’m Alright, Jack. But had I missed out, I think I’d have been more pissed off if it was a PS5 type scalpers paradise.
Yes and no?
Stores were/are getting extremely limited stock of just about everything new. Scalpers know a lot of GW consoomers will pay an extra 50-100% if it means they get their impulse bought plastic-crack NOW. Whilst the scalping numbers may not have been as high, I'd still wager a sizeable amount bought into it expecting they'd be able to turn a decent profit on them inevitably going Temporarily Out Of Stock for a while - this was the fate of a lot of Crimson Court's and Be'lakors.
Cursed City still available in some places. Heck, local GW here got an extra box last week due to a mistake with a customer's order. Saw 4 in a game store in Utah. They're out there, just need to find someone to get you one if you're still looking.
Using Cursed City and Direchasm vamps as a base, I'll add that new SC undead box and have a great start to an undead army.
I didn't expect GW pricing to shock me anymore, but those Cursed City villains are bonkers. I didn't even try to get the game, because I thought I could get it in the restock. Lulz. Luckily all I *really* miss are those rat swarms, there's just not much on the market with decent quality.
The Vampire troops are at least okay price-wise and I'm tempted to get some wolves. I liked the donkey head ones, but never had a reason to buy some.
Sarouan wrote: *shrugs* Such is the fate of GW products. At least it has more value than an obscure miniature game that dies in the dark when you sell it years later.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Really dig these wolves, by the way :
Guess we could make profiles for them to play in Cursed City, but their bases will be troublesome to handle on the tiles. Maybe put some of them on a 40mm round base, it should be possible with certain poses.
I like the crow on its back. It reminds me about Living Dead Peasants from Fireforge Games.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
No no; we should all rush out and buy Radukar's Court because that will show GW that we wanted to buy Cursed City, and want them to produce more product which they'll refuse to sell to us in the future!
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
I don't recall any GW embargo.
Not directly, but the state of GW was so bad that people stopped playing/buying. Of course the bar for improvement was so monumentally low that it didn't take much for them to hit record profits by smiling at the camera instead of directly spitting at it.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
I don't recall any GW embargo.
Sorry I don't understand. Never said nothing about an embargo. I guess it went over my head. All I was just saying was there is something we can do about it. Any time I see anyone says "we can't do nothing" I just like to say there is something we can do. Lots of times, there is always something we can do. We just choose not to do it. There is a difference.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I wouldn't call Cursed City a "discount box".
I'd call it a disaster.
Aye - it wasn't a discount box (like Indomitus was, for example), it was possibly the worst attempt at marketing and releasing a boxed game that I've seen GW manage since, what, Dreadfleet?
Models at cheaper price on limited run. Pretty much norm for gw discount boxes. Side game along isn't uncommon either.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
I don't recall any GW embargo.
Sorry I don't understand. Never said nothing about an embargo. I guess it went over my head. All I was just saying was there is something we can do about it. Any time I see anyone says "we can't do nothing" I just like to say there is something we can do. Lots of times, there is always something we can do. We just choose not to do it. There is a difference.
It's right there in bold. You didn't use the word embargo but it's close enough to what you said that it should have been obvious he meant 'describe the something like this that actually happened'.
Yep, Cursed City is gone, we can't do much about it anyway.
Yes there is, we can do something about it. It's called not buying their products. Something like this actually happened only a few years ago. Dang we all have short memories.
I don't recall any GW embargo.
Sorry I don't understand. Never said nothing about an embargo. I guess it went over my head. All I was just saying was there is something we can do about it. Any time I see anyone says "we can't do nothing" I just like to say there is something we can do. Lots of times, there is always something we can do. We just choose not to do it. There is a difference.
It's right there in bold. You didn't use the word embargo but it's close enough to what you said that it should have been obvious he meant 'describe the something like this that actually happened'.
Ah, I see now. I thought when embargo was used, I thought it was something people did as a group decision (something like what a government would do), while I just saw it as individuals just fed up with GWbs.
I am tempted to get a 3d printer now. Some of those STL files links on Dakka are pretty sweet. Since I don't game anymore and want to restart the hobby, maybe that would be a good place to start. After all, if I can't buy GW product, may as well be able to buy something that doesn't run out. Just not sure if I am capable to do 3d printing. Still doing my homework on that right now.
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Just realized going off topic now. Sorry for that.
I do really like the new Dire Wolves. Leagues better than what they're replacing and some cool poses amongst the improved scuplts.
Not sure why they've painted what surely should be a crow pecking at the dead flesh as a blackbird though, they're not exactly known for their carrion tendencies.
My thoughts exactly. If you pause enough, you can see the stormcast has the new bearded Sigmar icon (same as on their shields) on his cloak clasp, as well as on his magic wand. I'm guessing he'll be a new character in the boxset
jullevi wrote: I am not sure what to think of the fact that Radukar's Court is already Temporarily out of stock.
A fool and his money... ?
It means this is very much a viable approach for GW. Some something they can do and are now encouraged to keep doing.
Which... bad for the consumer, great for their bottom line and investors.
Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.
Thargrim wrote: Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.
Fimir would have been an instant yes from me.
I've been mentally playing with the idea of a Savage Orruk army but....eh. Destruction really needs to be more than just...Greenskins with the odd flavour of Ogre or Troll.
I want to cross fingers for Fimir as they would have been fairly unique but...nevermind, guess it's yet more greenskins for Destruction while one of the 2 Greenskin factions struggles to have any semblance or structure beyond being a random handful of units shoved in a book.
Thargrim wrote: Really hope those are hobgoblins and not just orc or goblins in different gear. Really though i'm getting tired of greenskins, I think we have enough varieties of them as it is. Re envisioned Fimir would have been so much more interesting, now i'm back to the mindset that I won't be starting an AoS army...since the vamps were so underwhelming.
Fimir would have been an instant yes from me.
I've been mentally playing with the idea of a Savage Orruk army but....eh. Destruction really needs to be more than just...Greenskins with the odd flavour of Ogre or Troll.
I want to cross fingers for Fimir as they would have been fairly unique but...nevermind, guess it's yet more greenskins for Destruction while one of the 2 Greenskin factions struggles to have any semblance or structure beyond being a random handful of units shoved in a book.
I'm probably one of the strongest proponenents of the Fimir coming back, and good gods they would have looked stellar fighting the new stormcasts... but I had my doubts even though I had wanted to hold out hope for them as well.
I'm thinking the most we could do is vote en-masse if there another community survey for Fimir as a write-in want, or otherwise actually try to see if there's enough people to make sending individual emails to GW worthwhile. GW might well notice the Fimir if they see an indication that there is money to be made AND they already own the highly unique IP for the idea that they actually cooked up by themselves.
jullevi wrote: I am not sure what to think of the fact that Radukar's Court is already Temporarily out of stock.
A fool and his money... ?
It means this is very much a viable approach for GW. Some something they can do and are now encouraged to keep doing.
Which... bad for the consumer, great for their bottom line and investors.
Brace for shenanigans with AoS 3.0
Or it just means they didn't make many sets.
GW have struggled to keep stuff in stock. It's not hard to imagine they didn't make many because they weren't expecting to sell many.
I would have like Fimir too, and I also feel adding an army that was not another greenskin variety to Destruction would be better (doesn't have to be a new race either). But while I would have liked those things MORE I am still excited & happy to see Destruction getting content.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I would have like Fimir too, and I also feel adding an army that was not another greenskin variety to Destruction would be better (doesn't have to be a new race either). But while I would have liked those things MORE I am still excited & happy to see Destruction getting content.
I don't want to judge until I see the new models, but more orcs doesn't feel like "Destruction getting content" to me. 3rd ed isn't over and like with Death GW has years to add extra armies if they make Destruction the focus of the edition, but with what we have now it feels like a really weak start.
jullevi wrote: I am not sure what to think of the fact that Radukar's Court is already Temporarily out of stock.
A fool and his money... ?
It means this is very much a viable approach for GW. Some something they can do and are now encouraged to keep doing.
Which... bad for the consumer, great for their bottom line and investors.
Brace for shenanigans with AoS 3.0
Or it just means they didn't make many sets.
GW have struggled to keep stuff in stock. It's not hard to imagine they didn't make many because they weren't expecting to sell many.
Bear in mind it could potentially just be however many spare plastics they had.
Assuming they made XYZ amount ready for Cursed City. But any problems from production that caused CC to disappear may have meant there were spare. (If the delivery of paper/card side of it only came XY and no Z for instance).
lord marcus wrote: Anyone else having issues with the skeleton warriors? I've had two sets of legs break during assembly.
The cursed city or the new boxed core set? If its the new kits its a case of poor design. Miniatures should be designed to fit the purpose and not snap easy due to incompetent evaluation of the material limitations. Doest matter how cool something looks if they snap.
If its the cursed city well it was one offs, rare things never to be seen again I guess.
and the Warcry unit doesn't have any toenails.
All I was just saying was there is something we can do about it. Any time I see anyone says "we can't do nothing" I just like to say there is something we can do. Lots of times, there is always something we can do. We just choose not to do it. There is a difference. 
