In an effort to compile the Dark Vengeance news into one source--and as the original thread was getting a bit long--starting a new thread. If you have reviews/unboxing tidbits/etc.--please start posting them here. Thanks!

 winnertakesall wrote:



Release confirmed for Sept 1

Bloodwin wrote:
I went into my local GW store to pick up a copy of the Dark Vengance boxed set today and they had a few extra goodies for sale. There's a Dark Angels beanie hat with a peak and wrist bands for Dark Angels and Chaos. The hat was £5 and the wrist bands were £2 each.

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Two great reviews with unboxing of the new set;

Sotnia wrote:
Hi

Here you can find unpacking of Dark Vengeance with high res pictures:
http://www.tinyarmies.org/en/2012/09/01/dark-vengeance-unpack/



Enjoy

 Gareth wrote:
Hi guys, I've just written a review of the box for Tale of Painters if anyone is interested. Click my sig, or this link here.

If reading reviews isn't your thing, how about a discussion. In my review I mention how there are no painting guides or detailed fluff what so ever about Bane's Landing where the conflict is held. Is this a ploy by GW to get us to buy the ibooks painting guide app and the Hard Back novel or are they just keeping things simple for the newbies?

The mini rule book in color is great!

With the cost involved in making that character on its separate sprue, I cannot believe we will not see another iteration of it at a later date.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
With the cost involved in making that character on its separate sprue, I cannot believe we will not see another iteration of it at a later date.

I would have thought that they'd make it a direct only item that you can only order on their site. The limited edition bow would still be special because it has his stats card.

I remember the days when that Chaplain would have been given away for free on the cover of WD instead of snaffled away for a limited edition.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I remember the days when that Chaplain would have been given away for free on the cover of WD instead of snaffled away for a limited edition.

...shortly after the wheel was invented.

Seriously though, it feels just that long. Kirby needs to leave GW once and for all ASAP. I call for an Exterminatus on all GW chairmen!

 scarletsquig wrote:
I remember the days when that Chaplain would have been given away for free on the cover of WD instead of snaffled away for a limited edition.

Oh come on...what do you want them to pay us for playing!?

 scarletsquig wrote:
I remember the days when that Chaplain would have been given away for free on the cover of WD instead of snaffled away for a limited edition.

The obvious down side of that is that you're stuck with a White Dwarf.

For a nice looking mini, I'd put up with a bit of space taken up in my recycling bin. That stuff goes out every week anyhow.

There is a big question in the mind of chaos players. What are the rules like for the hellbrute and chaos cultists in comparison to a chaos dread and guardsmen?

Not only that, but how their point costs compares to those other army entries.

Hurray, Chaos and Chaos lite. Seriously though the models look great. I still think the price is a bit much but at least there is no finecast in there. I was a little afraid that the Chaplin was finecast crap.

 schadenfreude wrote:
There is a big question in the mind of chaos players. What are the rules like for the hellbrute and chaos cultists in comparison to a chaos dread and guardsmen?

dreadnought stats w/3 hps. multi-melta and power fist. no point value/special rules indicated.
guardsmen stats. no point value/special rules indicated. autoguns str 3 no ap. rapid fire.

Nice thanks. Are the cultists the same leadership and armor save? They look less armored than guardsmen.

Good bye to "cheap" ebay aobr generic space marines tac squad and termies; you'll be missed.

well tac sm looks easy enough to mod except for the sergeant; but the deathwing termies....

Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

If you want to see hi res sprue pics click my sig.

*waits for the mini rulebook to get cheap on ebay*

Not really interested in anything else in the set.

Not sure if mentioned in one of the million other threads, but the chaplain is not a push-fit model, so keep away from the wee ones and those who are not allowed to handle glue.

why do you need to convert why you can be allies?

Cultists are Ld7, and the sarge has Ld8. They have a 6+ armor save.

So... cultists are going to be almost as cheap as grots? Interesting.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

I didnt think to even check. Pretty sure im good.(just checked... good)

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Wow, crazy. My 3 boxes were fine, except I got some some sort of warehouse/shipping slip packed inside one of the boxes.

I checked over the display models at my local GW and am amazed at the quality of detail on starter set models.

If this is the intent of GW with the Chaos release, there might be a second army in my future.

I grabbed the sample of the painting guide, looked at it then deleted it....personally think it was a pretty terrible way of painting DA's.

Pretty happy with the set, loved how it had the old school reference sheets again

The ideas for the first two missions being solo is a pretty cool idea imo

I have so much love for the cultists.

You sir are a genius Gods bless you.


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Kind of unhappy, I bought mine, and no templates.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

So you are missing 4 x cultist/tac sprues. Wow, that is really bad. At least you got your three LE Chaplains...
I think you will make out like a bandit after calling GW to get the missing sprues, assuming you want lots of DAs.

I like it over all there are some very fragile bits on the spruces that I couldn't clip out without damaging them. Namely the DA commander head. Be very careful when you do you're or their liable to snap of the tips.

Looks good. I checked out that link of the unboxing, and I have to say, everything looks great... for plastic! Let alone snap fits!

The chosen are just astounding. They make everything else on the sprue look like junk, especially those traitors. I've used snap-fit guardsman (the five model kit) and these look even worse than those, if I'm being frank.

Having said that, the level of detail on the chosen exceeds the terminator kit (which is nothing to write home about...), and looking at the possessed sprues, they appear to be on the same level, at least in terms of detail.

If anyone out there has extras of the Dark Angels swag, please drop me a PM.

Sorry Im abit confused, whats wrong with this thread?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/468490.page

It has all the summaries ( like this thread ) in the very first post of page 1?

At least update the images to the official ones, you've managed to create a new thread and keep the borked cultist pic.

Why bother creating a new thread but still keep the leaked pics?

 dracpanzer wrote:
Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set.

You don't need to do anything. You just got a dud batch. When the Defiler first came out I bought two and one of the boxes had two Defilers in it. It happens.

Call GW and get them to send you the missing sprues.

 Medium of Death wrote:
At least update the images to the official ones, you've managed to create a new thread and keep the borked cultist pic.

Why bother creating a new thread but still keep the leaked pics?

It's a green Mod, bear with him while he finds he feet or you might find him trying out his new banhammer on you!

I did not realise that the DA had so much iconography, i was hoping to just paint them in a different colour.
nevermind though, the chaos stuff is great !

 wowsmash wrote:
I like it over all there are some very fragile bits on the spruces that I couldn't clip out without damaging them. Namely the DA commander head. Be very careful when you do you're or their liable to snap of the tips.

This was my biggest problem with the new box. While the quality of the sculpts is spectacular, there are too many fiddly bits and weirdly placed connections to the sprues. I managed to break the captain's wings while trying to get them out and the swords are paper-thin, making me wonder how long will they last.

My main issue is that some of the Marine models have really crappy cast shoulder pads with soft detail. Had no trouble with the swords or the many, many wings however.

 BrookM wrote:
My main issue is that some of the Marine models have really crappy cast shoulder pads with soft detail. Had no trouble with the swords or the many, many wings however.

Yeah I spent most of yesterday evening trying to sort out the tactical symbols, very poor. Some of the knee pad/shin joints were pretty crap too.

The plastic is very thin in places, my Captain Shoulder wing is bent a little out of shape, but hopefully when undercoated and then painted it'll not stand out.

Loving the detail overall though. Have been adding some bits from my spare Dark Angel sprues I brought for Chaos Conversions a year back.

Once I'm done I'll share some pics.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

I'd say that you've had three boxes that have been mis-packed. I bought two and got the same in each (as it should be).

The minis ae nice - but need a little work given the 'push fit' nature of them.

Oh - hello from a long time lurker...

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

I picked up my pre-ordered Limited box from the Factory store. When I opened it. It contained 2 Hellbrute Sprues, 1 LE Chaplain, 2 cult/tac sprues. I did not contain the Dark angel sprue with the two charachter models in it. I took it back to the Factory store and showed it to the Store Manager. He immediately replaced the box with a new one. We opened it there in the store to make sure everything was in order, and it was this time. He even gave me the LE chaplain from the first messed up box as an extra for my time and trouble driving back to the store. My personal opinion is that with a boxed set over $100 there should not be mistakes, but the store manager took care of the problem immediately. So, I guess I would give the situation and draw. Problem found/problem fixed.

 notprop wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
My main issue is that some of the Marine models have really crappy cast shoulder pads with soft detail. Had no trouble with the swords or the many, many wings however.

Yeah I spent most of yesterday evening trying to sort out the tactical symbols, very poor. Some of the knee pad/shin joints were pretty crap too.

Mm, on my Cultist + Tac sprues, the mould lines were awful, which since they make up the majority of the models, isn't good at all...

So is it me or are the chaos marines "true scale" from the pictures ive seen they look like they dwarf the power armored dark angels and are closer in size to terminators.

 MiniPainterDMan89 wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
Bought 3 of the LE boxed sets. Each is supposed to have one chaos sprue, one DA sprue, and two cultist/tac sprues along with the LE Chaplain sprue.

First box: 1 chaos sprue, 3 DA sprues, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Second box: 3 chaos sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.
Third box: 3 DA sprues, one cultist/tac sprue, one LE Chaplain sprue.

Seems silly to need 3 boxes to get one full set. I've got one tac squad, and a bunch of chosen without packs. Lots of termies. The Hellbrute is for all intents and purposes a mmelta/fist dread without a stormbolter/hvy flamer option. If they don't get dreadclaws in the Chaos codex, and the things still go crazy on occasion, who's going to want a hellbrute? Should make a nice oblit though.

I picked up my pre-ordered Limited box from the Factory store. When I opened it. It contained 2 Hellbrute Sprues, 1 LE Chaplain, 2 cult/tac sprues. I did not contain the Dark angel sprue with the two charachter models in it. I took it back to the Factory store and showed it to the Store Manager. He immediately replaced the box with a new one. We opened it there in the store to make sure everything was in order, and it was this time. He even gave me the LE chaplain from the first messed up box as an extra for my time and trouble driving back to the store. My personal opinion is that with a boxed set over $100 there should not be mistakes, but the store manager took care of the problem immediately. So, I guess I would give the situation and draw. Problem found/problem fixed.

I think many Chaos players would prefer yours box over the standard one

Forgive me if the answer to this question is found elsewhere, but can you customize the loadout on these units or is it like AoBR where you get the gear that GW wants you to get?

 Ricedaddy wrote:
Forgive me if the answer to this question is found elsewhere, but can you customize the loadout on these units or is it like AoBR where you get the gear that GW wants you to get?

You get the gear that GW wants you to get, plasma gun, plasma pistol and plasma cannon on the marines squad for instance.

Yeah! Bunch of useless junk...oh hang on a minute!

I think we could see the chaplain released solo at a later date. Perhaps as part of the first wave of plastic 40k charactes? (ala the fantasy ones).

After all - if you read the text it says that the box set w/ the chaplain is the limited edition. Not the chaplain himself.

Besides - if he were released seperately - he'd certainly be more than $8, so it'd still be a good deal to get him now.

Well the copies our group ordered (4 copies) are on their way. $105 each (incl. shipping) is quite a bit better than paying $180 local retail.

Picked one up today at the FLGS, very impressed with the models.

The mold quality is excellent, and because they're "single pose" they have a lot of detail baked in. The DAs are a bit less impressive than the Chaos stuff, but that stuff is really, really great.

A great deal at the price they're asking, especially since the "little" rulebook is much preferrable for actually playing the game, and an extra set of templates and scatter dice never hurts.

Might convince me to paint up some Chaos (which is the point, right?).

Schmapdi wrote:
I think we could see the chaplain released solo at a later date. Perhaps as part of the first wave of plastic 40k charactes? (ala the fantasy ones).

After all - if you read the text it says that the box set w/ the chaplain is the limited edition. Not the chaplain himself.

Besides - if he were released seperately - he'd certainly be more than $8, so it'd still be a good deal to get him now.

That's wishful thinking lol

Anyone else have any issues with getting their Hellbrute together? All of the other models I've done so far (the chaos ones and special characters) all fit together perfectly with hardly noticable seams, which I found really impressive given the way they did some of the chosen.

But the Hellbrute just wouldn't line up for me. I've got some pretty big gaps on the Multi-Melta and the left leg that are going to require glue to fix.

Really impressed with the quality of the set overall, and the fact that I'll have to glue a model that supposed to be snap-fit isn't anything that I'm up in arms over. My box was packed correctly model wise, but my mini rulebook was packed with the first several pages folded over. The guy at the store I was at did right and promptly opened up another box and swapped out the packet containing the manual on the spot.

My box was packed correctly model wise, but my mini rulebook was packed with the first several pages folded over.

Same. I also noticed that the sorta "buggy antenna" chaos Marine's antenna was bent, altho not broken. Possibly related.

I've noticed with GW's newer kits that the parts fit is as close to flawless as I've ever seen in an injection molded kit. I've built a LOT of kits over the years (actually where the hobby started for me), and got very used to filling, sanding etc, (particularly on airfcraft). The fit that GW has had on some of their kits I've done recently is, effectively, perfect. Even Tamiya couldn't do so well back in the day.

Not so much about GW, as the state of CAD and manufacturing in general, but still, really good quality.

Oh my God, they brought back the whippy sticks!

And fifth graders all over the world rejoiced, much to the chagrin of their sisters.

Phryxis wrote:
Picked one up today at the FLGS, very impressed with the models.

The mold quality is excellent, and because they're "single pose" they have a lot of detail baked in. The DAs are a bit less impressive than the Chaos stuff, but that stuff is really, really great.

A great deal at the price they're asking, especially since the "little" rulebook is much preferrable for actually playing the game, and an extra set of templates and scatter dice never hurts.

Might convince me to paint up some Chaos (which is the point, right?).

I got a chance to look at an open box today at a local store and it was sort of Meh...

The hellbrute wasnt as big in real life as I expected he would be.

The cultists didnt pop as much as I had hoped. The Chaplain is a nice model.

I think I'm all set with this one.

Have I missed something, or are there no points values for the cultists/hellbrute anywhere? As far as I can see they can only be used in the crappy dark vengeance missions until a new codex comes out. Unless you use the cultists as IG allies or something? and then you're stuck using the brute as a crappy chaos dread.

I bought the box with the hope of actually being able to use it....not amused.

 Gorechild wrote:
I bought the box with the hope of actually being able to use it....not amused.

You can use it, for the exact missions also provided in the box!

If you want to use these fine minis for things other than the starter box scenarios then you will have to wait for the month or so until the new codex is out. Truly this is an exquisite pain we bear.


Or you could make up some points!
Or you could spend your time modding/painting your minis so they look sweet when they do have rules!
Or you can complain on the innerwebs!

Schmapdi wrote:
After all - if you read the text it says that the box set w/ the chaplain is the limited edition. Not the chaplain himself.

But both on the website and the box lid it says the chaplain is an "exclusive" miniature, so I'm not so sure.

 CT GAMER wrote:
I think I'm all set with this one.

Same. I "might" pick up a second set of bikes off eBay though.

Looks like a very well done box set. The only problem I have, is Maelstrom haven't sent mine out :/ I wasn't even going to order from them, but the place I was going to had run out. But checking my orders, it's still saying 'packing' which it said on Saturday,, possibly even Friday. Anyone else had theirs sent from maelstrom yet?

Hehe, atleast your order status has even changed. Mine is still down as advance order I just hope they forgot to change it or something and I hope I hear the postman knocking today. If not I need to ask why they have not even packed my order yet. :(

edit: giftsforgeeks btw, anyone ordered from these guys, the starter set I mean, they are a trusted company and I have ordered from them no problem in the past.

@postle wrote:
Anyone else have any issues with getting their Hellbrute together? All of the other models I've done so far (the chaos ones and special characters) all fit together perfectly with hardly noticable seams, which I found really impressive given the way they did some of the chosen.

But the Hellbrute just wouldn't line up for me. I've got some pretty big gaps on the Multi-Melta and the left leg that are going to require glue to fix.

Really impressed with the quality of the set overall, and the fact that I'll have to glue a model that supposed to be snap-fit isn't anything that I'm up in arms over. My box was packed correctly model wise, but my mini rulebook was packed with the first several pages folded over. The guy at the store I was at did right and promptly opened up another box and swapped out the packet containing the manual on the spot.

I do, my problem is I DONT HAVE MY SET YET

 Gorechild wrote:
Have I missed something, or are there no points values for the cultists/hellbrute anywhere? As far as I can see they can only be used in the crappy dark vengeance missions until a new codex comes out. Unless you use the cultists as IG allies or something? and then you're stuck using the brute as a crappy chaos dread.

I bought the box with the hope of actually being able to use it....not amused.

You only appear to have missed most of the discussion in this and the previous thread if you missed that.

No point in DV. It's a self contained starter so not much need.

Most likely all of the units will be in the forthcoming DA and Chaos Codeci. I don see any benefit from GW it putting them in the respective codex. The cultist would be my biggest suspicion of that not being thecase as they could be used as IG allies but their slightly different stat line should mean they get their own entry in C:Chaos.

 CT GAMER wrote:

Phryxis wrote:
Picked one up today at the FLGS, very impressed with the models.

The mold quality is excellent, and because they're "single pose" they have a lot of detail baked in. The DAs are a bit less impressive than the Chaos stuff, but that stuff is really, really great.

A great deal at the price they're asking, especially since the "little" rulebook is much preferrable for actually playing the game, and an extra set of templates and scatter dice never hurts.

Might convince me to paint up some Chaos (which is the point, right?).

I got a chance to look at an open box today at a local store and it was sort of Meh...

The hellbrute wasnt as big in real life as I expected he would be.

The cultists didnt pop as much as I had hoped. The Chaplain is a nice model.

I think I'm all set with this one.

we understand your mad because theres no trees in this set, dont have to gak on it because your not interested in them..

Still confused about this thread. It is neither news nor rumors, and thw contents are already pretty well known...

From GW's site, Dark Vengeance is:

"Availability: No Longer Available"

I bought it in store last week, but that's blown.
I'll have to call to get this fixed now :(
There's no word about the unlimited set, I take it...

Probably shouldn't be using my first post for blatant self-promotion, but hey..

My thoughts so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw6Y-Ya3S0w

Summary:

The Good:
- Sculpt quality is generally on a par with or better than most of GW's plastics.
- 99% push fit.
- Solo scenarios included for the absolute beginner.
- Compact rulebook and quick play sheets are a godsend for veterans.

The Bad:
- NO TERRAIN.
- Helbrute base isn't pre-holed. Everything else is, why not that one piece?
- Chaplain requires glue.

The Ugly:
- Some models seem to lost out in the mould making process, notably 'Chippy' the cultist and the Ravenwing plasma gunner.

Overall: Solid buy recommendation, even if you've no interest in the miniatures (there's always EBay, after all).

Theres an unboxing on my channel, see my sig link :3 overall very happy with the set.

Woohoo finaly dispatched so should get it tomorrow, must have been because my bank denied the first payment so caused delays. Expected to feel angry but seeing that dispatched notice, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

Yuzral wrote:
- Helbrute base isn't pre-holed.

I am just palnning on cutting the pegs of his feet and just glueing strait on the base.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Still confused about this thread. It is neither news nor rumors, and thw contents are already pretty well known...

=P Topic should have been moved to Discussions. New mod is new.

Ah, anyone who is still waiting for theres who ordered not from GW, its not the retailers fault.

edit: People shouldnt be hating on the mods, damn, since when were most of you experts on the first week of your job.

^^ Was saying that in a "d'aww, pet" kind of way.

Today the postman came to my door with the boxset, looked at me sitting through the window eating breakfast... then put a "sorry, you weren't in" letter through the mail box. ...I was sitting there dumbfounded until he started walking back to his van. Pity though, he ignored me as he drove down the street. (Now I have to wait till Thursday on account of not being in during delivery hours).

Confused much?

Did he even knock? Lol what the hell. I have to have no sound from anything when I am waiting for the postman. I understand they have limited time to do their routes but literally when you hear the knock, you have about 10 seconds to dash downstairs, crucial timing.

...I was sitting there looking at him. He walked up to the door, put the note through, then walked away. I was walking to answer the door as he was already driving away.

So, despite him knowing that someone at least was in, he didn't even bother to say press the big red doorbell, or say chap the letter box or door.

I say again,

 Anpu42 wrote:

Yuzral wrote:
- Helbrute base isn't pre-holed.

I am just palnning on cutting the pegs of his feet and just glueing strait on the base.

I wouldn't recommend this. It's much easier to just open up the pre-cut holes and peg him in.
And it stay on much better!

Wow, sorry you have a postman who cant push doorbells.

Not sure if I prefer your postman, or ours who leaves parcels that need to be signed for on the doorstep... on bin day! Nearly lost my wedding ring as the binmen thought they were being helpful and picking up rubbish that had blown out of the recycling box!

Standard set fo DV up for sale on the blog page - £61.50

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat920001a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

As far as the size of the helbrute goes, I'm not really sure what to say...by all rights it looks like a mutated dread, so that's about what I was expecting, personally. If anything it's actually a little taller than a standard dread because it has its arm raised and a foot propped up on a slab of concrete. It's every bit as chunky as I expected.

How big should it have been?

Actually he left another package in our recycling bin. I only noticed this when I leafed through the letters to find a hastily written note "its in the bottle bin". This got my hopes up, but it was only a tshirt. ...Why he didn't put the box in with it I have no idea.

I have had issue with my set. Opened it up this morning, only to discover that both of the tac/cultist sprues look like they were rubbed against a cement wall for a bit before being put into the box. Most of the details on the front of the marines are scraped off, and slightly smushed.

Greetings folks,

Here's is a link to Play Unplugged's Dark Vengeance unboxing: http://www.playunplugged.com/2012/09/play-unplugged-unboxing-warhammer-40000-dark-vengeance-limited-edition/

We hope you enjoy it!

A friend posted some pics of some of his on facebook, would it be alright to post them here?

I don't see why not.

iirc, AOBR Dreadnought didn't have a pre-holed base as well.

 bubber wrote:
Standard set fo DV up for sale on the blog page - £61.50

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat920001a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

XD still a tenner more than I paid for the limited edition :p I wonder who'd buy at that price without shopping around online for five minutes and saving themselves a bit of cash?

 Bewareofthephil wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Standard set fo DV up for sale on the blog page - £61.50

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat920001a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

XD still a tenner more than I paid for the limited edition :p I wonder who'd buy at that price without shopping around online for five minutes and saving themselves a bit of cash?

People who support their local GW.
People who are happy to pay more for better service.
People who are happy to pay more to get it quicker.

 Lorizael wrote:

 Bewareofthephil wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Standard set fo DV up for sale on the blog page - £61.50

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat920001a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

XD still a tenner more than I paid for the limited edition :p I wonder who'd buy at that price without shopping around online for five minutes and saving themselves a bit of cash?

People who support their local GW.
People who are happy to pay more for better service.
People who are happy to pay more to get it quicker.

People that are ignorant of online deals or don't shop online.
People that don't have credit cards.
People that appreciate convienience.
People really just don't think £10 is a significant sum of money.

But then I got my 2 LEs for £48 and change each.

I have great plans for my two DV-boxes, especially for the Chaos-side. Will designate cultistsquads by headswaps (Skullfaces and not-Riddick-faces will make out two separate 30-men "blobs" from my two boxes and a 'pals Chaos-part of his box that he sold to me for some cash... )

Now, how to convert two Helbrutes to not have three identical? Hmmm...

The Chosen and Chaos Lord appart from the ones from the "first box" will be hacked appart and rebuilt. Much fun conversions to come I wager!



On the Imperial side, the DA iconography is scraped of and will be replaced by Salamander Icons and "dragonscales". One bikesquad is scraped and ready to get "dragonscale"-treatment, while the second one will be hacked appart to get reposes along with the "basic scraping"...

Here are my DV Dark Angels, enhanced with Dark Angel vet and a few Space Marine bits. Plan on doing up some of the second batch with a lot more conversion work.



If you click on the pic, you can zoom in the Dakka Gallery. Also Posting closer shots in my Modelling thread.

I thought there were more pictures than this but I seem to have lost them...oh well.

My bitz order for 60 Cultists just shipped. I wonder if I'll get 'em before the actual box. That'd be pretty funny.

I went into my local GW at the weekend, and in the brief moments while the staffer there was not trying to sell me the starter set (and then the big rule book immediately after I said the only part of the new starter I wanted was the mini rule book because I don't need 90% of the stuff in the main rule book...) I had a look at the new models and have to say they got a huge "meh" from me.

The clutists are just boring, the marines are too DA (sorry Kan, but they are my least favorite colour marines ), the CSM were kinda OK and the terminators were... well... terminators. The bikes looked pretty silly with the big wings and so on all over them and the Hellbeast thing just looked like it was constipated.

None of the models looked dynamic and just seemed to stand there like tired old bags of flour.

Just a thought,

My local GW store is hosting a DV challenge that involves painting your faction in the Dv box and then gaming with it on the 29th. So unless they plan on using the rules from the starter set, maybe they will be able to use a new codex set of rules instead.

Or the old Codeci...

 notprop wrote:
Or the old Codeci...

...Which work especially well for those cultists...

As an aside: codeci??? either use the English plural codexes or the Latin plural codices (which certainly is better). codeci burns my eyes...

iPhone seamed to leik eet, so watcha gunna do?

 notprop wrote:
iPhone seamed to leik eet, so watcha gunna do?

He's going to jump through your window wearing a ninja costume, and take your Dark Vengeance box set. TAKE IT. A bit like Jervis used to do with 4th ed rulebooks back when 5th was released.

I got my two boxes today, they are well purty, I am seriously impressed with the level of detail all over and the amount of stuff packed into 4 sprues. I'm a bit disappointed that the quick reference sheets don't include any of the rules for psychic powers, so whilst they cover most aspects of game play, you still need to buy the silly box of cards they sell for a reference guide.

Also the red whippy sticks are still just as woefully short as they always have been, and both sets have already gone in the bin where they belong as they serve no function whatsoever.

mauzer, great colour scheme on those cultists -- lovely work!

Just curious about the bikes.

1. Is the front gunshield with the wings on it molded onto the bike, or is it a seperate piece?

2. I know the riders are seperate, but would it be possible to, say, attach some sort of other model to the bike as rider instead? Like say... I dunno... orks?

Because those bikes are selling for $15 for 3 on ebay, and a couple of the $25 nob boxes would make a great deal for some nob bikers. Heck, you can even buy the old AoBR slugga boys and slap them on bikes to get a ton of cheaper warbikers as well.

If anyone could add some input that would be great, because I really want to make a proper ork biker army, and this would be a MUCH cheaper way to do it than 3 bikes for $45 like they're going for right now :\

The marine legs are molded onto the bikes, only the torso is separate.
The winged fairings are not, there is a slot behind the bolters where the fairings fit.

 Gorechild wrote:
Have I missed something, or are there no points values for the cultists/hellbrute anywhere? As far as I can see they can only be used in the crappy dark vengeance missions until a new codex comes out. Unless you use the cultists as IG allies or something? and then you're stuck using the brute as a crappy chaos dread.

I bought the box with the hope of actually being able to use it....not amused.

The Queen agrees.



Of course, what you both have to realise is that this is a starter set, it's purpose is not simply to furnish one with cheaper minis. Be patient sir and in the meantime, cats like boxes, perchance you have a cat that would love the box.




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Also consider this, the store price for the box in NZ is £105. What are you complaining about? It's amazing that they actually sell anything from their shops here.

 vitki wrote:
The marine legs are molded onto the bikes, only the torso is separate.
The winged fairings are not, there is a slot behind the bolters where the fairings fit.

There's also the back end of the bolters molded to the fairing.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 vitki wrote:
The marine legs are molded onto the bikes, only the torso is separate.
The winged fairings are not, there is a slot behind the bolters where the fairings fit.

There's also the back end of the bolters molded to the fairing.

Well, there goes that idea. Why on earth would they mold it like that?

kronicpsycho wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:

Phryxis wrote:
Picked one up today at the FLGS, very impressed with the models.

The mold quality is excellent, and because they're "single pose" they have a lot of detail baked in. The DAs are a bit less impressive than the Chaos stuff, but that stuff is really, really great.

A great deal at the price they're asking, especially since the "little" rulebook is much preferrable for actually playing the game, and an extra set of templates and scatter dice never hurts.

Might convince me to paint up some Chaos (which is the point, right?).

I got a chance to look at an open box today at a local store and it was sort of Meh...

The hellbrute wasnt as big in real life as I expected he would be.

The cultists didnt pop as much as I had hoped. The Chaplain is a nice model.

I think I'm all set with this one.

we understand your mad because theres no trees in this set, dont have to gak on it because your not interested in them..

I'm sorry I didnt know I needed fanboi approval to post in this thread...

Of course you need fanboi approval CT. In triplicate!

@MrMoustaffa: I thought you were saving money to spend it on that amazing Dreamforge Kickstarter instead?

Looking at the WIP earlier on this page, it looks like the Chosen are... huge. Almost Terminator-sized, at least compared to the cultist. Are the latter Skull Pass-sized or, somefink?

The Chosen definitely look bigger than the DA tactical marines.

Someone mentioned they thought even the DA tacticals were bigger than the AoBR tacticals. Can anyone do a physical comparison?

 SickSix wrote:
The Chosen definitely look bigger than the DA tactical marines.

Someone mentioned they thought even the DA tacticals were bigger than the AoBR tacticals. Can anyone do a physical comparison?

DV figs: Chosen, DA, Chosen, Terminator

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
@MrMoustaffa: I thought you were saving money to spend it on that amazing Dreamforge Kickstarter instead?

Looking at the WIP earlier on this page, it looks like the Chosen are... huge. Almost Terminator-sized, at least compared to the cultist. Are the latter Skull Pass-sized or, somefink?

Gotta plan for dem orks down the road! Of course some genius at GW decided it's a good idea to sculpt the friggin legs on *grumbles*

There goes my brilliant plan...

The models do look amazing but the only thing I've encountered that was a little annoying is where some of the molds come together when they really should't, or there needs to be a little more spacing between sections.

The arm of the biker with the plasma rifle comes to mind immediately. All things considered though a very nice set.
It is sort of shocking to compare the new models to my old AOBR junk!

The Ravenwing fellas are still quite convertible, did my second batch last night.

Okay I had the advantage of having an Attack bike spare, but the simple conversions on the other two just required a weapon swap for the bolt pistol to chainsword, and to cut the arm off the plasma gunner, replacing with a bolt pistol arm.

The leader was a little tougher due to the head, but a quick greenstuff hood solved most of that issue, and sawing off the chainsword arm to replace with a biker arm, or other weapon holding limb would be pretty simple as well.

 SickSix wrote:
The Chosen definitely look bigger than the DA tactical marines.

Someone mentioned they thought even the DA tacticals were bigger than the AoBR tacticals. Can anyone do a physical comparison?

This concerns me. Can anyone post a pic comparing the DA tacticals, the AoBR tacticals, and a regular multipart tactical? Size creep is a bad thing IMO. Chosen being bigger than marines is acceptable. Marines being bigger than marines is not.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
The Chosen definitely look bigger than the DA tactical marines.

Someone mentioned they thought even the DA tacticals were bigger than the AoBR tacticals. Can anyone do a physical comparison?

This concerns me. Can anyone post a pic comparing the DA tacticals, the AoBR tacticals, and a regular multipart tactical? Size creep is a bad thing IMO. Chosen being bigger than marines is acceptable. Marines being bigger than marines is not.

They look to be right about the same size. Maybe just a little difference.

Loox like 1.5-2mm.

SIZE CREEP!!!

SHENNANIGANS!!!

Size creep will be the death of us all. He looks like he's just one or two percent bigger than the multipart. No big deal I guess. Oddly enough cheap asian recasts will get him back down to size.....j/k.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Size creep will be the death of us all. He looks like he's just one or two percent bigger than the multipart. No big deal I guess. Oddly enough cheap asian recasts will get him back down to size.....j/k.

In the grim darkness of the future, everyone is the same size...?


I see no problem with slight size discrepancies between marines.

mainly my problem stems from the Catachkin line of IG. Old Cats are noticably smaller than new Cats. Old Cats look to be in scale with a space marine....a little smaller, a little less bulky than a marine in PA. New Catachkins are monsters, they're about the same size as a marine in PA. I just don't like the size creep. Another example are the two DA company masters that came out for last edition. They're sporting PA but they're really big PAs, like big as / bigger than termies. I don't know it they were supposed to be larger than life (figuratively) or what.

Anyways, it just makes me grind my teeth a little. They'll still be used. Still be loved just like the rest of the box.


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And 1.5-2mm on a 34mm mini is like 5%.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
mainly my problem stems from the Catachkin line of IG. Old Cats are noticably smaller than new Cats. Old Cats look to be in scale with a space marine....a little smaller, a little less bulky than a marine in PA. New Catachkins are monsters, they're about the same size as a marine in PA. I just don't like the size creep. Another example are the two DA company masters that came out for last edition. They're sporting PA but they're really big PAs, like big as / bigger than termies. I don't know it they were supposed to be larger than life (figuratively) or what.

Anyways, it just makes me grind my teeth a little. They'll still be used. Still be loved just like the rest of the box.


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And 1.5-2mm on a 34mm mini is like 5%.

Ummmm... you've got the Catachan line backwards. Those mini Ogryn that come in the 10 man infantry squad boxes are the older kit, and I think they're one of the first plastic IG kits released. The command box however is much newer and is significantly smaller in scale. If anything, it's size SHRINKING over time. Which is good, because the old plastic catachans are hideous.

Cadians then maybe. A friend of mine has had IG for about 12 years now and we've had this size creep conversation at least several times in recent years and he's even shown me some of the new ones vs. the old ones. And the new ones are bigger than the old ones.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
mainly my problem stems from the Catachkin line of IG. Old Cats are noticably smaller than new Cats. Old Cats look to be in scale with a space marine....a little smaller, a little less bulky than a marine in PA.

Are you sure dude? From what I recall that's where the IG size-creep started. Those original metal Catachans, as beautiful as they were, were very tall men, and were the same size as Marines of the time (2nd Ed). All the Guard that came out over the next few month were the same, but the Catachans were the bulkiest (with the Mordians being the slightest).

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Cadians then maybe. A friend of mine has had IG for about 12 years now and we've had this size creep conversation at least several times in recent years and he's even shown me some of the new ones vs. the old ones. And the new ones are bigger than the old ones.

Yes the cadians are the bigger ones now. With their armor and their proportions, they're about the same size as a marine. I always found that more than a little rediculous. The Guardsmen from all lines should be the same size as the Catachan command sprue, as they're much closer in line scalewise with the marines.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Loox like 1.5-2mm.

SIZE CREEP!!!

SHENNANIGANS!!!

Size creep will be the death of us all. He looks like he's just one or two percent bigger than the multipart. No big deal I guess. Oddly enough cheap asian recasts will get him back down to size.....j/k.

The green Marine is further back from the camera. If he was moved forward to the same position as the new marine, they would be very close to identical in height:

Hmmm. Was going to pass this edition's starter set. Damn those chaos grubbies look too good to pass up. I wonder how much work it would be to convert those Angels to Templars. De-winging them looks like it may be a pain.

Are the pauldrons molded on, or are they seperate? That would be the deal breaker I believe.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Are the pauldrons molded on, or are they seperate? That would be the deal breaker I believe.

Moulded on. Bit of work with a knife and a file could de-wing them, but it would be quite tricksy work.

You mean the shoulder pads on the DA's? Yeah. They're moulded right on there, just like every other starter-set Marine (barring 3rd Ed).

I'm still angry those legs were molded on. I know that makes it super convenient for any SM player, but it really sucks when I was going to use them for ork bikes. Oh well, maybe I can still figure something out. I'll look at em again next time I'm at my FLGS and maybe I can figure a way out to shave them off...

Thanks for the size comparison pics and showing that one model is actually slightly further away as well.

So they are probably the same size.

But the Chosen are fairly massive for being 'PA' Chaos. But as was said, Chaos can get away with variation.

I have a question, I know that this is the starter set and all but why didn't GW include any points costs for the models. I bought 3 of the box sets to bolster my already existing Chaos army and have looked through the information that came with them and could not find points costs. Does this mean that possibly the Chaos Codex is due to arrive soon?

 CT GAMER wrote:

kronicpsycho wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:

Phryxis wrote:
Picked one up today at the FLGS, very impressed with the models.

The mold quality is excellent, and because they're "single pose" they have a lot of detail baked in. The DAs are a bit less impressive than the Chaos stuff, but that stuff is really, really great.

A great deal at the price they're asking, especially since the "little" rulebook is much preferrable for actually playing the game, and an extra set of templates and scatter dice never hurts.

Might convince me to paint up some Chaos (which is the point, right?).

I got a chance to look at an open box today at a local store and it was sort of Meh...

The hellbrute wasnt as big in real life as I expected he would be.

The cultists didnt pop as much as I had hoped. The Chaplain is a nice model.

I think I'm all set with this one.

we understand your mad because theres no trees in this set, dont have to gak on it because your not interested in them..

I'm sorry I didnt know I needed fanboi approval to post in this thread...

Fanboy? lol to far from the truth. I bust GW's balls all the time. But when they do a good job it's ok not to hate them people.
My main problem is, I have kept following this thread for awhile now, every post I have seen you do so far is just putting the set down
because there is no terrain inside. Which you seem to love which is fine.

Just because you are not interested in the set does not mean you can gak on it, for no real reason.
yes there is some things that are not the best, but good lord it's better then any other starter I have seen.

Have a good day mate, stay safe.

Anyone buying this starter to convert the Dark Angels to another chapter?

Any of those same excellent individuals willing to drop those feather banner poles from the bikes (that they likely chopped off to throw into the bin or the bits box) in an envelope and mail them to me in California?

I have over 20 Ravenwing bikes and would love to convert the banners poles to this new style...

Well i ordered mine from a friend in Britian and it cost me $95.00 AuD saving me $85.00, and i am very pleased about that.

Anywho, i am in heaven as i intended to begin a new army and have decided to begin a Dark Angels chapter called "Angels of Benediction"

Not only that but also i will expand the Dark Angels as fallen to be led by Cypher and incorporate them into my "Sons of Achaylus" Chaos Space Marines Army at this point in time is about 20,000 points.

I'll be looking at Ebay soon for additional units, especially cultists as my Sons of Achaylus" will field 100 of them.

Should be getting my set this weekend. I'll be buying locally, and splitting with a buddy. My FLGS at least has the LE box for $165.

So $80au gets me the Chaos models, dice and templates. Not bad. He gets the Dark Angels, LE chaplain and mini rulebook for $85.

Mine may show up today if Fed Ex can figure out where I live.

Almost a week later than release date after pre-ordering it...
Probably won't be pre-ordering it from the website again. Will go through the local GW store in the future.

Moving to 40k Discussions..

 Synister_Intent wrote:
I have a question, I know that this is the starter set and all but why didn't GW include any points costs for the models. I bought 3 of the box sets to bolster my already existing Chaos army and have looked through the information that came with them and could not find points costs. Does this mean that possibly the Chaos Codex is due to arrive soon?

The starter sets have never included the point costs for the units inside them.

The Chaos Space Marine codex should be out in September/October. There is a huge rumor thread on it in this News and Rumor Forum here.

My advanced order one is still yet to turn up lol.
Ended up going into town and just buying the LTD edition box instead from a loacal shop.

just started putting mine together, and I have a question

why do they suggest that you pose all the Termies so there is a pile of something between their legs?

every one they have something, a head of a cultist and a daemon, spent shells and a skull on 2, spent shells on the last one. I had to re position them all cause to me, it looked like the suit had just emptied the septic tank.

i would assume they are going to give new chosen some badass stats to back up those huge models?

right now they dont even get an extra attack for being veterans.

kb305 wrote:
i would assume they are going to give new chosen some badass stats to back up those huge models?

right now they dont even get an extra attack for being veterans.

I would guess so - I'd expect a plastic box for them, and some nice rules to help sell the plastic box.

Ordered my standard DV set from an independent retailer and it still hasn't shipped. Called today and was told that GW has delayed the release by some arbitrary, unspecified amount of time. Sigh..