tneva82 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.

Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.

30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.

Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.

Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!

Yeah it's modified 7th we've all been there.

Does my using fw units in 40k really detract from your enjoyment of hh?

Seriously share the wealth. All gw wants to give heretics in 40k is goofy looking daemon engines.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.

Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.

30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.

Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.

Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!

Yeah it's modified 7th we've all been there.

Does my using fw units in 40k really detract from your enjoyment of hh?

Seriously share the wealth. All gw wants to give heretics in 40k is goofy looking daemon engines.

Honest opinion, Leave the HH vehicles in hh and concentrate on the 40k specific FW index armies.
These are made to fit into 40k and offered a lot more coverage then just even more CSM/ SM stuff.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.

Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.

30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.

Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.

Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!

Yeah it's modified 7th we've all been there.

Does my using fw units in 40k really detract from your enjoyment of hh?

Seriously share the wealth. All gw wants to give heretics in 40k is goofy looking daemon engines.

Honest opinion, Leave the HH vehicles in hh and concentrate on the 40k specific FW index armies.
These are made to fit into 40k and offered a lot more coverage then just even more CSM/ SM stuff.

In other words r&h?

Gadzilla666 wrote:

In other words r&h?

DkoK and corsairs.
but yes. also i never said i was unbiased, but when a faction just outright get's deleted instead (cough corsairs cough) then i take issue.

Also i never said i was unbiased. Doesn't change the fact that the FW stuff allready in 40 k is just mostly in a bad position aswell.
Or do you want it to be just another fellbalde?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

In other words r&h?

DkoK and corsairs.
but yes. also i never said i was unbiased, but when a faction just outright get's deleted instead (cough corsairs cough) then i take issue.

Also i never said i was unbiased. Doesn't change the fact that the FW stuff allready in 40 k is just mostly in a bad position aswell.
Or do you want it to be just another fellbalde?

Touche. Ok maybe gw needs to fix the fw stuff already in 40k before worrying about adding new things.

That doesn't stop me from using fw infantry models.

Sevatar makes a killer chaos lord.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

In other words r&h?

DkoK and corsairs.
but yes. also i never said i was unbiased, but when a faction just outright get's deleted instead (cough corsairs cough) then i take issue.

Also i never said i was unbiased. Doesn't change the fact that the FW stuff allready in 40 k is just mostly in a bad position aswell.
Or do you want it to be just another fellbalde?

Touche. Ok maybe gw needs to fix the fw stuff already in 40k before worrying about adding new things.

That doesn't stop me from using fw infantry models.

Sevatar makes a killer chaos lord.

I think the writing is on the wall and FW is only going to move further away from fully FW 40k armies of any sort. I don't think anyone should expect renewed support... I think while FW will continue to add to 40k it will predominantly be what does overlap with HH. Its been a while since we saw an exclusively 40k FW release... we had the Ta'unar and Astraeus in 2017 and the Seraptek in 2018.... and everything else for 40k has straddled 40k and HH. Those models would have been started before the reorganization. As far as FW and 40k go, there has been something of a disconnect where the main studio handles the 40k rules for FW models... and FW focuses on everything for HH and the other specialist games. To me that means the default expectation: don't expect 40k rules or models.

Cyrixiinus wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah there is literally no reason to do this other than pettiness.

Or, you know, to differentiate the two settings. Which are different.

30K is more than just a source of stuff for you to use in 40K. 40K gets its own factions and models. AoS gets its own factions and models. Nobody bats an eye, but as soon as the 40K players can't have everything, ever, at all times and in all ways, the toys go out the pram.

Maybe because we wanna play with these cool models in a game that is actually played.

Good. So you can play them in 30k It's played and it's superior rule set. Win-win!

Nothing against HH having their own stuff, but it is very obvious that make rules sets for 2 system you massively open your customer base. I don't have any interest in 30k but the new daemon fellas would be awesome for me in 40k, but at that price point they're not worth it as proxies for something without their own unique profiles.

You only have to look at the number of debates sparked by Leviathan Dreads in 40k to realise if a 30k unit is competitive in 40k they'll sell lots.

Out of curiosity, do you guys actually know that that unit can be represented by any model with a specific base size? Or that that holds true for the entire army list? Or that having it in 40k would be redundant to the existing 40k daemon list because it's literally designed so that you can use 40k daemon models in it, as well as Sigmar models and third party models?

As I clearly stated I have no interest in 30k, no I didn't nor does it matter to me that I can use 40k daemons to represent generic 30k daemons. Nor is it unreasonable to want a unit with a different rules/niche for 40k, as it wouldn't be redundant, it would literally be adding in a new unit option.

As it stands I arent buying the 3 daemons beasties. Give them some kinda rule and I might buy them. Which is better for FW?

Okay, that is enough of this tangent. If you wish to discuss further whether 30k releases should get 40k rules or vice versa please do so in its own thread and not continually bump the N&R.

Gorgon is back with one hell of a price rise!

What's the new price?

215 Euro.
oof
Also the Deathkorp platoons there aswell.

They brought out the same model with a higher price?

LOL!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They brought out the same model with a higher price?

LOL!

I wait until they "rerelease" the R&H upgrade sprues, 12£ before. Then probably 20£ on top of the cadians. Also you want autoguns and assault weapons, that'd be another 20£



70£ for a 40 pts squad

I wish that they re-released the DKoK passengers for the Gorgon, they were really cool

For reference what was its old price?

 Overread wrote:
For reference what was its old price?

It's in the Dec '18 catalogue as been £125 (page 61).

beast_gts wrote:

 Overread wrote:
For reference what was its old price?

It's in the Dec '18 catalogue as been £125 (page 61).

casual 50£ pricehike

Not Online!!! wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Overread wrote:
For reference what was its old price?

It's in the Dec '18 catalogue as been £125 (page 61).

casual 50£ pricehike

It's not casual! They have to do it because, er, because, errr...

 zedmeister wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Overread wrote:
For reference what was its old price?

It's in the Dec '18 catalogue as been £125 (page 61).

casual 50£ pricehike

It's not casual! They have to do it because, er, because, errr...

The most earnings they had since, well ever?


Also is it just me or did they hike the predator variants?

I am still waiting on the hiked upgrade sprues for R&H, if the gorgons can come back then they surely want to make the fodder of the fodder army even more overly expensive then ever!

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also is it just me or did they hike the predator variants?

They're all £57 in the Dec '18 catalogue, and are now either £60 or £63.

beast_gts wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Also is it just me or did they hike the predator variants?

They're all £57 in the Dec '18 catalogue, and are now either £60 or £63.

Shame, i really considered one Hellforged one.. Shame.
Same with the decimaotr, 2£ on the body and 50 pence?`? for the guns.

beast_gts wrote:
They're all £57 in the Dec '18 catalogue, and are now either £60 or £63.

That looks like the standard yearly increase for everything forgeworld.

A.T. wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
They're all £57 in the Dec '18 catalogue, and are now either £60 or £63.

That looks like the standard yearly increase for everything forgeworld.

They probably don't want to be outdone by GW in profitability, but how they are going to top 3 man 50 CHF squad, is beyond me

 zedmeister wrote:
Gorgon is back with one hell of a price rise!

Spoiler:

I'm excited for the guard players, but i've never run anything outside Catachan (IKs) - can someone please explain why this is a good unit?
It's best weapons (dual mortars?) look to be heavy, so as a transport it's hitting on 5s (assuming it moved), and why exactly do you need to transport your entire army in a single T8/5++ unit?
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket, with most competitive lists nowa days aiming to take out a knight in one turn i can't see how this is going to end well.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Gorgon is back with one hell of a price rise!

Spoiler:

I'm excited for the guard players, but i've never run anything outside Catachan (IKs) - can someone please explain why this is a good unit?
It's best weapons (dual mortars?) look to be heavy, so as a transport it's hitting on 5s (assuming it moved), and why exactly do you need to transport your entire army in a single T8/5++ unit?
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket, with most competitive lists nowa days aiming to take out a knight in one turn i can't see how this is going to end well.

Who said the unit was good?
It has 30 wounds and a transport capacity of 50.
You roll the thing across the battlefield at full speed and dump an entire platoon in your opponents face.

Well, looks like that price hike hasn't deterred anybody as the bloody thing has sold out and is now temporarily out of stock!

How long was it gone for? Could other things be coming back?

pm713 wrote:
How long was it gone for? Could other things be coming back?

Probably gone for about 2-3 years, maybe longer. Sold out some time after Book V: Tempest came out probably because the Militia list allowed you to take these as a Dedicated Transport. It has a lot more use and application in 30k than 40k.

Not Online!!! wrote:

215 Euro

OMG! And I thought it was expensive before!

180+ comments and nobody appears to be mentioning the price hike on the FB announcement.

Don't know if that means there really are a lot of people ignorant of it, that don't care about it or there's some judicious comment pruning happening.

As usual, selling out doesn't mean much without knowing the numbers available in the first place.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, looks like that price hike hasn't deterred anybody as the bloody thing has sold out and is now temporarily out of stock!

Not indicated anywhere; Total that Was in Stock: 5

Sounds like they're trying to get rid of some stock they found...

 Azreal13 wrote:
180+ comments and nobody appears to be mentioning the price hike on the FB announcement.

Don't know if that means there really are a lot of people ignorant of it, that don't care about it or there's some judicious comment pruning happening.

As usual, selling out doesn't mean much without knowing the numbers available in the first place.

That is odd!

What was the price hike announced in the...announcement?

Don't be daft Alph! GW don't announce price rises, they just sneak them in when nobodys paying attention!

But several people seem to have commented that they've ordered it, so clearly don't know or care how much it's gone up and have no issue with the new price regardless.

Ha!

You do bring up another good point though - we never really know how many units of (x) were available for sale, so something 'selling out' is fairly meaningless, beyond the fact that there aren't any more to buy...

Whales will buy anything. I can't even get mad at GW for cranking up the prices so much anymore. It seems like they could sell a Primaris Lieutenant for £150 smeared toxic waste and it would make them tens of thousands.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/09/the-road-to-thramas-part-1-wings-of-the-dark-angelsfw-homepage-post-3/

Pretty terrible

That tank looks colossally dumb.

Legion Arquitor Bombard my arse! That's a Plagueburst Crawler!

beast_gts wrote:
Legion Arquitor Bombard my arse! That's a Plagueburst Crawler!

Holy crap it is.

Honestly I love seeing more cross-pollination between Chaos > Imperial stuff like this; like how they revamped obliterators to look more like corrupted centurion suits. I prefer when Chaos gets stuff that looks like degraded or debased loyalist tech rather than wholly new creations like much of their daemon engines.

I quite like that aspect of the design. Silly looking, but at least it shows where the crawler has come from!

a) I would never buy one of those.
b) I am also very happy that they made one.

The Studio should have painted it in a Death Guard Legion style...

Good Lord.. is that thing the Kris Kross of the grimdark future?

I like it

It'll make some great conversion fodder for 40k Death Guard players as well.

It's nice to see an increase in regular releases for HH stuff (even though I don't play it).

I've long found Forgeworld to be a bastion of "good" design with regard to tanks and armored vehicles...but they've been getting worse over the past year or two. Shame. That thing is fething heinous.

Definitely not a sicaran or fellblade.

To those saying it's bad, what's specifically wrong with it? It looks like just about any other covered mobile gun platform. It's virtually a smaller covered Basilisk.

The new little tank looks so cool! I love it!

So when Mortarion 'locked himself away in the smog-wreathed spires of the Black Manse, obsessing endlessly over his foul brainchild, turning all of his remarkable intellect to the challenge', he was just copying an existing design. Noice.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So when Mortarion 'locked himself away in the smog-wreathed spires of the Black Manse, obsessing endlessly over his foul brainchild, turning all of his remarkable intellect to the challenge', he was just copying an existing design. Noice.

Makes sense, can’t expect primarchs to actually be good at everything, especially the way their personalities and decision making skills are written.

He tried his best, and his best was “that one grav-mortar tank but with plagues instead and I’ll make it a daemon engine so that it’ll shoot less accurately”.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So when Mortarion 'locked himself away in the smog-wreathed spires of the Black Manse, obsessing endlessly over his foul brainchild, turning all of his remarkable intellect to the challenge', he was just copying an existing design. Noice.

You could say the same thing about Cawl taking like 10k years to make slightly chonkier marines with his super-brain, really.

 Kawauso wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So when Mortarion 'locked himself away in the smog-wreathed spires of the Black Manse, obsessing endlessly over his foul brainchild, turning all of his remarkable intellect to the challenge', he was just copying an existing design. Noice.

You could say the same thing about Cawl taking like 10k years to make slightly chonkier marines with his super-brain, really.

Not just his super brain but the super illegal/heretical AI super brain he made.

 Red_Five wrote:


Not just his super brain but the super illegal/heretical AI super brain he made.

I was sort of including all of that under one umbrella seeing as his brain is essentially a PC with swappable drives at this point.

changemod wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So when Mortarion 'locked himself away in the smog-wreathed spires of the Black Manse, obsessing endlessly over his foul brainchild, turning all of his remarkable intellect to the challenge', he was just copying an existing design. Noice.

Makes sense, can’t expect primarchs to actually be good at everything, especially the way their personalities and decision making skills are written.

He tried his best, and his best was “that one grav-mortar tank but with plagues instead and I’ll make it a daemon engine so that it’ll shoot less accurately”.

I'd love to see in the fluff that Mortar ion and maybe the Lion collaborated on this and the Sabre design, like how Guilliman and Ferrus designed the Sicaran. And then Morty locked himself away later to improve it even further, maybe how to subjugate daemon s into the design.

I’d honestly accept a price rise if they brought back the chaos dwarf skullcracker.
Can’t find them anywhere for sale.

I like it. Less of a tank and more of an artillery tractor. If they make one with the Hellex plasma mortar from the thanatar, I'll probably grab it.

The squad though, meh. Plasma sprayers is an ok idea, but the name and the sculpts are nothing exciting. Especially another I-something-er to add to the jumble. Tactical, assault, devastator, sternguard, vanguard are all distinct and easy to tell apart, even if the names are just their roles. Most primaris squad names, and now this squad are just letter swaps of the same word essentially.

Looking at the kit, honestly it would be easy to make it entirely plastic. Just an upgrade sprue with 6 heads, 6 shoulder pads, 5 guns (just the gun, not the arms) and some torso fronts, compatible with the mk III plastic kit.

Some other specialist units could be done the same way. Alpha legion headhunters, templar brethren, grey slayers all would be easily done with upgrade sprues. Actually they already are just upgrade kits, but in resin.

I just built my first PBC, its effing tiny. Same footprint as a rhino more or less, with a lower profile.

If this tank is based on the sicaran chassis, its half again as big as the PBC at least.

Otherwise yeah, real similar outline.

I like it when they make things that give us hints of the origin of things we know from 40k.

This being somewhat of a precursor to the Crawler is very cool.

The platoon thing for the Kriegers is 500 canadian dollars, and it's sold out atm on the FW store.

there's less than 50 models, it's like $10 per Guardsman... and they are guardsman, they aren't even 10ppm!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like it. Less of a tank and more of an artillery tractor. If they make one with the Hellex plasma mortar from the thanatar, I'll probably grab it.

The squad though, meh. Plasma sprayers is an ok idea, but the name and the sculpts are nothing exciting. Especially another I-something-er to add to the jumble. Tactical, assault, devastator, sternguard, vanguard are all distinct and easy to tell apart, even if the names are just their roles. Most primaris squad names, and now this squad are just letter swaps of the same word essentially.

At least meaning makes bit sense.

Blood Angels Dawnbreakers. Nice models but no to that flight stand...

Forgive me if i've missed them in the lore somewhere... But what the hell are Dawnbreakers?

 zedmeister wrote:
Blood Angels Dawnbreakers. Nice models but no to that flight stand...

I like them - make good alts to Sang Guard

They're lovely but the flying stands are not!

More flying stands to adapt, yay!

If it connects to a solid point then you can literally just drill the model to create a slot for the stand (like the old ones)
It’s models like the sky dwarves that suffer as they connect to a sideways pipe.

Nothing a quick drill won’t fix though.


The models look great though.
Nice to see that they didn’t create the old and ornate look by piling on pointless and dull details like usual too.

Now, if only Sanguinius didn’t look awkward without his over priced base lol.

They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Kdash wrote:
Forgive me if i've missed them in the lore somewhere... But what the hell are Dawnbreakers?

The Dawnbreakers were elite Assault Marines used by the Blood Angels during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

Even within a Legion known for its Jump infantry and assault tactics, the Dawnbreaker Cohorts stood apart. These warriors were chosen from amongst the most experienced and daring of the Legion's assault squads, trained and equipped to act as the tip of the spear of the Blood Angels. The Dawnbreakers had only one purpose in battle, to sunder the enemy lines and tear the heart from its formation. These Space Marines emphasized not only martial excellence, but also the symbolic nature of their role, bringing light and justice to even the most hellish warzones.

They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

beast_gts wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

Useless and silly design, that's what it is.

beast_gts wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

It actually states in the future Blood Angel codex that these were the marines that found the dead Sanguinius on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit. Each marine carefully wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths, and as one, flew him back to Baal to intern him in the Sarcophagus.

It does look like the tabards could be used to glue them to the bases rather than using the flight stands, though.

The tabards are goofy but not as goofy as the potato guns on their wrists. Wrist mounted weapons never look half as good as whoever comes up with the idea thinks they do.

wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

 Azreal13 wrote:

wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

Silly primarch, being carried around like a coconut by a bunch of swallows.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

Silly primarch, being carried around like a coconut by a bunch of swallows.

It's not a question of how they grip it, it's a question of weight ratio.

is that a European or African?

Not a fan, those Torsos look pretty bad.

Jump Packs are nice

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

Jackal90 wrote:

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

But then they could not have sold these insanely overpriced resin models!

Jackal90 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

That or the guard officially formed out of these guys after Sanguinius' death, thus being there when he died.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

Sanguinary Guard are around in the lore too, Azkaellon is the first commander of the Sanguinary Guard in the 30k novels.

SG are on the Siege of Terra cover.....

Don't like the tabards, launchers, or stands.

Love the spears and backpacks.

The helmets should look like Suzerian heads

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

Both are around according to a lot of different sources.
Only difference is, the new guys only have their history mentioned recently and in 1 place.
Just them being described as they are completely renders their own purpose useless as there was already a unit doing that.
So what, these guys and the sanguinary guard were both around but people forgot about the guard somehow?

Completely agree on the models though.
These new guys look miles better and I’m half tempted to replace my sang guard with them.

Sanguinary Guard are totally and completely present in the Heresy. They're even portrayed in enough detail in some books as to have named individuals included in the story. Azkalleon is the named leader and crops up frequently in the Blood Angels threads across a bunch of the novels (most of the Imperium Secundus tangent IIRC) and I'm pretty sure that he's not the only named member of the Guard, and that they are described as they look in 40K more or less completely.

The Dawn Guard are just an excuse to give people another kit to buy, AFAICS, especially given I believe the BA still lack even rules for fielding Guard units in 30K.

The sanguinary guard we've seen in 30k artwork are basically the 40k models but with mk4 helmets instead of the deathmasks.
They don't have their own rules, the writers have said they are just command squads with jump packs, which we can already field. So saved the 2 legion specific units for more unquie things, such as these dawn breakers.

I love the models, but those bendy flight stands are horrible.

Well, the fluff changes. Originally the HH era Legions were just comprised of ten Chapter, pretty much in their modern (well. pre-Primaris layout) but then new fluff got written and new units and formations were invented and the Legions become more different from the later Chapters. Perhaps this is more of that, and Sanguinary Guard will no longer exist in the current version of the HH fluff?

*shrug*

Love the Dwwnbreakers, but at almost 18 a pop with no sword options... god damn, god damn... : |

Crazyterran wrote:That or the guard officially formed out of these guys after Sanguinius' death, thus being there when he died.

Maybe they formed for the Seige of Terra? or at least the lead up to?

I like 80% of how they look. wish jetpacks were more avian looking, a smaller wristgun, and the loincloth is a taaaaad toooooooo long. Otherwise looks cool.

 Moopy wrote:
Love the Dwwnbreakers, but at almost 18 a pop with no sword options... god damn, god damn... : |

These are the ones I'm using when I build mine.

https://www.conversionworld.de/index.php?pageId=produkt&language=en&id=50&kategorie=Bitz%20by%20Compatibility&tag3=Games%20Workshop*

https://www.conversionworld.de/index.php?pageId=produkt&language=en&id=6&kategorie=Bitz%20by%20Compatibility&tag3=Games%20Workshop*

 Crimson wrote:
Well, the fluff changes. Originally the HH era Legions were just comprised of ten Chapter, pretty much in their modern (well. pre-Primaris layout) but then new fluff got written and new units and formations were invented and the Legions become more different from the later Chapters. Perhaps this is more of that, and Sanguinary Guard will no longer exist in the current version of the HH fluff?

*shrug*

No. We’re saying, they do exist in the current version of the fluff. They’re all through the novel series, including some relatively recent ones. Azkaellon shows up in the Lost and the Damned SoT book, as ‘Captain, Sanguinary Guard’.
Edit: they’re also mentioned in Malevolence, where the Angels Tears were introduced.

That said, I don’t have anything against the Angels Tears, I like seeing new units in the Heresy stuff.

 Moopy wrote:
Love the Dwwnbreakers, but at almost 18 a pop with no sword options... god damn, god damn... : |

I don't have the BA HH black book - does the unit have a sword option in addition to the spear? And what sort of weapon are the wristguns?

I do like the guy in the back left of the picture, who appears to be doing an impression of his Primarch's spear pose...

New Warlord Titan Macro Gatling Blaster arm weapon 28mm scale up for preorder
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Warlord-Titan-Macro-Gatling-Blaster-2019

Also this one is new to me. Sabre Strike Tank and Armoury
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Sabre-Strike-Tank-and-Armoury-2019

Smaug wrote:
Also this one is new to me. Sabre Strike Tank and Armoury

The Sabre was released a few weeks ago - discussion starts on page 156.

Smaug wrote:
New Warlord Titan Macro Gatling Blaster arm weapon 28mm scale up for preorder
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Warlord-Titan-Macro-Gatling-Blaster-2019

About time.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Smaug wrote:
New Warlord Titan Macro Gatling Blaster arm weapon 28mm scale up for preorder
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Warlord-Titan-Macro-Gatling-Blaster-2019

About time.

QFT, but I'm also hanging out for these as carapace weapons.

 Padre wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Smaug wrote:
New Warlord Titan Macro Gatling Blaster arm weapon 28mm scale up for preorder
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Warlord-Titan-Macro-Gatling-Blaster-2019

About time.

QFT, but I'm also hanging out for these as carapace weapons.

I'm waiting for the VMB carapace mounts myself. And Las-cutter arm. At which point I ought to just get a second body to put all the spare weapons onto.

 Dysartes wrote:


I don't have the BA HH black book - does the unit have a sword option in addition to the spear? And what sort of weapon are the wristguns?

I do like the guy in the back left of the picture, who appears to be doing an impression of his Primarch's spear pose...

Book Malevolence, page 206. Better than power swords. The "guns" are 12" grenade launchers with krak/frag.

Merry Christmas everyone!

The Invisible Ringbearers are back for a week, and Rosie Cotton™ and Gaffer Gamgee are up for pre-order.

That is a fantastic set.
Flowers are ace. FW/GW really need to do more of that sort of thing.

In worse news FW continues the stripping of AoS models with all the following now on the last chance to get list and some already out of stock in some regions.

UPDATE
LAST CHANCE to buy model list:

Skinwolves
Wolfrats
Clawlord on Brood Horror
Myrewurm
Magma Dragon
Carmine Dragon
Bile Troggoth

 Overread wrote:
In worse news FW continues the stripping of AoS models with all the following now on the last chance to get list and some already out of stock in some regions.

UPDATE
LAST CHANCE to buy model list:

Skinwolves
Wolfrats
Clawlord on Brood Horror
Myrewurm
Magma Dragon
Carmine Dragon
Bile Troggoth

And the Dread Maw.

Yep - sorry forgot to ilst that one in this list as its copied over from my thread on the topic where the Dreadmaw is already listed (and gone from the USA store).

Already ordered insivible ringbearers.

Would totally buy Merwyrm and Dread Maw, if AoS wasn't so garbage of a system to me.

Finally the ringbearers came. Got the defender of rohan, mordor orc sets and warlord gatling carapace weapon at the same time

 Overread wrote:
In worse news FW continues the stripping of AoS models with all the following now on the last chance to get list and some already out of stock in some regions.

UPDATE
LAST CHANCE to buy model list:

Skinwolves
Wolfrats
Clawlord on Brood Horror
Myrewurm
Magma Dragon
Carmine Dragon
Bile Troggoth

The Myrewurm should have been moved to Idoneth when they came out.

beast_gts wrote:

Kdash wrote:
Forgive me if i've missed them in the lore somewhere... But what the hell are Dawnbreakers?

The Dawnbreakers were elite Assault Marines used by the Blood Angels during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

Even within a Legion known for its Jump infantry and assault tactics, the Dawnbreaker Cohorts stood apart. These warriors were chosen from amongst the most experienced and daring of the Legion's assault squads, trained and equipped to act as the tip of the spear of the Blood Angels. The Dawnbreakers had only one purpose in battle, to sunder the enemy lines and tear the heart from its formation. These Space Marines emphasized not only martial excellence, but also the symbolic nature of their role, bringing light and justice to even the most hellish warzones.

so, essentially a precursor to vanguard vets with a little spear flare thrown in.

I can't be the only one who thinks that Rosie looks like she's wearing the skin of someone else as a mask?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't be the only one who thinks that Rosie looks like she's wearing the skin of someone else as a mask?

Ahahahah. Holy gak.

Cannot unsee now.

"I wish to cut off your face and wear it like a mask. Join us mister Frodo, join usssss."

Oh dear.

Grabbed the Brood Horror, because I've been eyeing it for a while. Can't say I'll miss the wolf rats, they were a cool concept that just didn't really land for me.

Was never a big fan of large resin monsters, but it's sad to see them go.

Yeah, I really would have liked a Myrewurm, but I just can't spare the coin for it.

Well... I can... but if I bought it then i'd feel compelled to buy the dragons too, I do love the dragons. And I DEFINITELY can't afford all of them.

Got a pair of Carmine dragons already so that’s fine.
Have ordered a magma dragon though.
While I don’t have any use for it right now, I’d rather not have to pay £300 for one in the future.

Just grabbed the ringbearers set. Didn’t pick anything else though what with getting the lotr sbg box yesterday plus some older plastic sets I’ve got stashed away I have plenty of middle earth goodness to get on with.

Well, I hesitated but also pulled the trigger on a 3rd Carmine as well (impulsive but not regretted)
Glad I did now as less than half hour later, you can’t order them any more.
Doesn’t say sold out but if you click them, it says no longer available and the buy option is gone.

I wish I could get a Magma dragon, but every time I look at it I think the same question "When would I actually get to use it?"

Sadly I don't own nor plan to own any destruction army and in general dragons are quite under populated in the mortal realms outside of sigmar's army.

At £100 I can think of several models in that bracket (from FW ) that I could buy and actually put on the table more than once. And the wonderful wolfrats are gone already


edit - uk magma dragon is gone now too

 Overread wrote:
I wish I could get a Magma dragon, but every time I look at it I think the same question "When would I actually get to use it?"

Sadly I don't own nor plan to own any destruction army and in general dragons are quite under populated in the mortal realms outside of sigmar's army.

At £100 I can think of several models in that bracket (from FW ) that I could buy and actually put on the table more than once. And the wonderful wolfrats are gone already


edit - uk magma dragon is gone now too

Wolf rats looked like but the cost was a joke.
Mine are just fenrisian wolves with heads and tails from rat ogres plus a small bit of GS detail.
Quite literally half the cost and more poseable due to converting lol.
I have no immediate plans for the magma, but he may fit in somewhere in time.

I still have a huge regret for not pulling the trigger on the huge chaos dragon and mammoth while I could.

Only the Clawlord on Brood Horror, Bile Trolls & Skin Wolves left in the UK.

Honestly, I've just been wanting Tamurkhan but he's been sold out and no longer available in the US store for a while.

It's a shame about the big monsters though.

If you've got a bit of Christmas money hanging about that you're looking to spend, I've just noticed that FW have this Warlord Titan bundle up:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Warlord-Titan-Bundle-2019

You don't get any choice on the weapons but it saves almost £100 over buying the parts separately (or through the Warlord Titan Builder). Strangely, they don't seem to point out that there's actually a discount on it.

Are we continuing with this thread, or starting a 2020 one?

Either way, the next The Road to Thramas article is up – Part 2: On the Knight Shift.

Introducing the Inner Circle Knights Cenobium -

They're doing a great job with the DA stuff.

 gorgon wrote:
They're doing a great job with the DA stuff.

Indeed. As an Iron Hands player I'm starting to get jealous...

Agreed. They're some of the only non-primaris intercessor marines that I've been interested in for years.

So confirmed that there's Orders you can choose from that affects their rules. I wonder if this ties to the "Wings" or if that's a completely separate mechanic. Army-wide or just this unit? So many question.

That is GORGEOUS. It makes me feel conflicted, as they are basically what I want Black Templars to look like in 40k, but they have all the DA iconography. Alas, I don't have the funds or the patience to file that much down to consider buying them for practical gaming purposes. Great eye-candy though.

Ok do we have enough da now? Do we finally get Atrementar? This book is da vs Night Lords right?

FINE. I'll start another army, will that make you happy Forgeworld!? Bombarding me with these lovely DA....

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok do we have enough da now? Do we finally get Atrementar? This book is da vs Night Lords right?

I don't blame you for being impatient, but this book is the DA's big explosion onto the scene, they're going to hog the spotlight for the most part.

That being said I hope the Atramar come out soon and are as cool as these models!

Jesus, they’re fantastic. I think I might have to (slowly) start a Dark Angels force.

Utterly amazing models. Just busy enough to not go OTT. Really nailing the Dark Angels knightly aesthetic.

Someone at FW must really like the DA. All their models have been great.

The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

 Barzam wrote:
The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

Right? They went from stuck up pricks with robes to COOL stuck up pricks with robes.

Absolutely bloody epic models

The stellar job they're doing with the DA models has to annoy Space Wolf players due to how poorly executed their releases were. Those were IMO the biggest stinkers in the HH line whereas these are some of the best that I've seen since the Emperor's Children squads were released (primarchs themselves notwithstanding).

 warboss wrote:
The stellar job they're doing with the DA models has to annoy Space Wolf players due to how poorly executed their releases were. Those were IMO the biggest stinkers in the HH line whereas these are some of the best that I've seen since the Emperor's Children squads were released (primarchs themselves notwithstanding).

Indeed. Those Space Wolves were terrible where as these are just excellent.

 Barzam wrote:
The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

To be fair, it was originally the DA schtick so the're just taking it back.

 Crimson wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

To be fair, it was originally the DA schtick so the're just taking it back.

I thought that they had the native American thing going on at that point.

I wish ultramarines or iron hands got models that looked this good. Besides the primarchs and UM contemptor, all of their hh models are meh at best

I think the native American influence.came.about post heresy, after Caliban was destroyed.

OK, there's no two ways about it. I'm starting a 30K DA.

Wow, those new DA are brilliant. Best 30K models i've seen in a while TBH.

I'm going to reiterate what some people have said on here.

Where are my damn Black Templars GW?

 Grimskul wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

Right? They went from stuck up pricks with robes to COOL stuck up pricks with robes.

They're just giving hh da more of a Fallen aesthetic, which is of course cooler because everyone loves anti-heros. I'm expecting a praetor dual wielding a bolt and plasma pistol any day now.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
The hell, Dark Angels? You're not allowed to look that cool. Give the Black Templars their schtick back.

Right? They went from stuck up pricks with robes to COOL stuck up pricks with robes.

They're just giving hh da more of a Fallen aesthetic, which is of course cooler because everyone loves anti-heros. I'm expecting a praetor dual wielding a bolt and plasma pistol any day now.

Or they’re just going with a knightly theme more than the monk like theme 40k DA have.

You can also already make Cypher-lite. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-Moritat-with-Plasma-Pistols

Shall we do a new thread for the new year?

As before, I vote we reopen last year's thread instead.

 ingtaer wrote:

Shall we do a new thread for the new year?

I say open a new Horus Heresy news and rumour thread instead. All the other specialist games have their own threads, why bundle heresy into a generic Forgeworld thread?

While I loved everything DA previously, these seem over the top. Like they took Cataphractii and excessively slapped DA related bits on top.

 zedmeister wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:

Shall we do a new thread for the new year?

I say open a new Horus Heresy news and rumour thread instead. All the other specialist games have their own threads, why bundle heresy into a generic Forgeworld thread?

Do you think that there is enough other content to make a generic FW thread needed? FW don't seem to be doing any releases for AOS, is there much 40k only stuff?

Having a single FW thread would be easier.

 ingtaer wrote:

Do you think that there is enough other content to make a generic FW thread needed? FW don't seem to be doing any releases for AOS, is there much 40k only stuff?

They haven't done 40k stuff in a long while and the main 40K studio don't seem to be putting out rules for any Heresy releases, at least not lately. AoS are getting shuffled off with the recent spate of Last Chance to Buy and the 40k line seems to be reducing (latest to go was the 40k Imperial Guard Rapier). The other specialist games (Titanicus, Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Aeronautica) all have their own threads. Don't see the point with keep a generic FW thread that will be pretty much all Heresy related. If that changes, you can always open up a new generic thread.

Aye, FW's 40k range is going to dwindle into nothingness over the next couple of years, if past trends are anything to go by. For better or worse, they are the HH + specialist guys now.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Aye, FW's 40k range is going to dwindle into nothingness over the next couple of years, if past trends are anything to go by. For better or worse, they are the HH + specialist guys now.

They've not actually removed too much from the Xenos lines for 40K and I was under the impression more of what they've removed from Marines were things like shoulderguards.
That said they've been slashing a load of Age of Sigmar models including some really good ones (magma dragon, wolfrats etc.. ergo things that are in no way old/dated or looking poor compared to current offerings).

What FW's plans are are impossible to guess at really and I get the feeling that not only is there internal politics going on, but also that FW itself and GW don't really know what to do and it keeps shifting and changing around in the background. They even formed and AoS team for less than a year, which only released a efw stormcast heads before it was disbanded.

A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

I just recently reminded them that they forgot to adapt prices on atleast 5 units in the FW part.
still wating for a response.

Then again i am waiting for a response for 2 years now on the command vox net for R&H and for the interaction of enforcers with Marauders in regards to morale....

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

I just recently reminded them that they forgot to adapt prices on atleast 5 units in the FW part.
still wating for a response.

Then again i am waiting for a response for 2 years now on the command vox net for R&H and for the interaction of enforcers with Marauders in regards to morale....

Yeah I've sent multiple emails about why the hellforged super heavys are still horrendously over priced. It's possible that they may actually address the omissions in the faq but I'm not holding my breath.

The rumors of a traitor guard codex is particularly worrisome for any updates to R&H.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

I just recently reminded them that they forgot to adapt prices on atleast 5 units in the FW part.
still wating for a response.

Then again i am waiting for a response for 2 years now on the command vox net for R&H and for the interaction of enforcers with Marauders in regards to morale....

Yeah I've sent multiple emails about why the hellforged super heavys are still horrendously over priced. It's possible that they may actually address the omissions in the faq but I'm not holding my breath.

The rumors of a traitor guard codex is particularly worrisome for any updates to R&H.

if it is named traitor guard or R&H if the list provides an improvement on the clusterfeth that it is and was i am happy.
Also were there any new rumors for them or have i missed something.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

I just recently reminded them that they forgot to adapt prices on atleast 5 units in the FW part.
still wating for a response.

Then again i am waiting for a response for 2 years now on the command vox net for R&H and for the interaction of enforcers with Marauders in regards to morale....

Yeah I've sent multiple emails about why the hellforged super heavys are still horrendously over priced. It's possible that they may actually address the omissions in the faq but I'm not holding my breath.

The rumors of a traitor guard codex is particularly worrisome for any updates to R&H.

if it is named traitor guard or R&H if the list provides an improvement on the clusterfeth that it is and was i am happy.
Also were there any new rumors for them or have i missed something.

Nothing in recent weeks other than mentions in faith and fury lore. I think a lot of the speculation was fueled by the Blackstone fortress traitor guard models. But it would obviously be an easy move. Gw could just sell current ig models and expect us to convert them like they did for the majority of the chaos knights units. (As we already do for R&H without the benefit of the oop conversion kits from fw).

New today - the Legion Arquitor Bombard with Spicula Rocket System!

The Legion Arquitor Pattern Bombard is a heavy artillery platform designed to operate at the forefront of the Legiones Astartes' advance. Equipped with a reinforced chassis and brutal short-range firepower, it is called upon to break the most stubborn of fortifications or to annihilate massed enemy infantry and armour.

Available to both Loyalist and Traitor forces, the Legion Arquitor Pattern Bombard can be fielded in units of up to three vehicles. The spicula rocket system is able to remove any obstacle to the advance of your Space Marines army in a series of devastating explosions. You can also add even more firepower to your indomitable artillery platform in the shape of sponson-mounted heavy bolters or autocannons. If you need to add mobile heavy firepower to your force, the Arquitor Pattern Bombard is ideal.

30k Rules link.

I look at that tank and genuinely don’t even know what to say other than “why?”.

I quite like it. looks like the old hedgehog depth charge launchers from ww2

it' s like the love child of a panzerwerfer, katyusha and a sicarian.

I kinda like it.

How big is the crew? It only has one entry point. Can you say "death trap"? And those treads look flat. At least dry brush a little necron compound on there.

Dear Emperor, did they let the same sculptor who made the upside down Space Wolf bolters to sculpt vehicles, and that's how we got these terrible backwards tanks?

Gadzilla666 wrote:
How big is the crew? It only has one entry point. Can you say "death trap"? And those treads look flat. At least dry brush a little necron compound on there.

Doesn't that look lot like the small fast attack vehicles some time ago? If yes it's one crew inside.

tneva82 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
How big is the crew? It only has one entry point. Can you say "death trap"? And those treads look flat. At least dry brush a little necron compound on there.

Doesn't that look lot like the small fast attack vehicles some time ago? If yes it's one crew inside.

Looks more like a backwards Sicaran, which has two crew (driver & gunner), but I'm not sure where the gunner would go in it.

I do quite like that. Also nice it gives guaranteed hits should the template be even vaguely on target.

Quite keen on the smaller tank chassis we’re seeing. They seem somehow more Space Marine than larger chassis.

Looks cool!

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

Alot of MARINE stuff can be used in 40k, apart from Custodes and Knights everyone else gets alot less and its declining all the time.

The new Marine tank is IMO really ugly..... and not in a good way - compared to the great looking DA terminators....

beast_gts wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
How big is the crew? It only has one entry point. Can you say "death trap"? And those treads look flat. At least dry brush a little necron compound on there.

Doesn't that look lot like the small fast attack vehicles some time ago? If yes it's one crew inside.

Looks more like a backwards Sicaran, which has two crew (driver & gunner), but I'm not sure where the gunner would go in it.

It's at least as big as a Sicaran judging by the sponson auto cannons. That means at least a two man crew. I'm guessing they both use the top hatch. That means death trap.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
A lot of 30k stuff can be used in 40k, like those da terminators we were all just drooling over. Not to mention all the hellforged/relic units. Dreadnoughts are particularly common in 40k. Of course the recent ca shows that gw's rules team doesn't pay much attention to fw.

Alot of MARINE stuff can be used in 40k, apart from Custodes and Knights everyone else gets alot less and its declining all the time.

The new Marine tank is IMO really ugly..... and not in a good way - compared to the great looking DA terminators....

Xenos do still have the big eldar hover tanks which I personally prefer to wraithknights and several tau battle suits but yeah it's declining. And don't forget the squigoth.

New thread for 2020 here;
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/784280.page