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Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 10:07:24


Post by: reds8n


..new year, new thread.

Last thread :

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4410/713351.page



Happy new year everybody! Christmas may be over, but you needn’t be sad – Forge World has a whole month of free goodies planned to start your 2018. Welcome to Competition Month!

The rules are simple. Each week in January, anyone who spends £50 or more on a Forge World order will be automatically entered into that week’s draw for a free super-heavy kit. This week, you could win a Hierophant Bio-titan. It’d look awesome alongside that Malanthrope or Dimachaeron you’ve been thinking about. If you’ve got a free shipping voucher to use, or some Christmas cash burning a hole in your pocket, you could be in for a pleasant surprise.

With a new competition each week this month, there are plenty of chances to win, so make sure to keep checking back to see what’s on offer. Find out more (and grab some new models for the new year!) over at Forge World.




Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 10:57:42


Post by: Overread


With the competition one thing I noticed (because I got sent to the US instead of UK store) is this in the Terms and Conditions

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a Tyranid Hierophant Bio-titan’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Win-a-Tyranid-Hierophant-Bio-titan


I assume this has to do with local laws in that territory as the others appear to be by purchase only (just like how Canada requires the entrant to answer a simple question if they are drawn from the lot to win)


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 12:10:02


Post by: tneva82


Yeah that's standard for US based lotteries. Presumably they need to provide free option to enter lottery based on US laws. IIRC used to be due to this that GW didn't simply run these offers there but guess they changed policy on that.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 12:13:40


Post by: Looky Likey


I've had a go at doing a change log for the new HH rulebook, if I've missed something let me know.

First thing they added was everything from the FW rulebook FAQ: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf

EXCEPT:
Grenades
The sniper clarification for veterans wounding on a 2+ if they have a melta
Combi weapons can now fire both the combi bolter and combi flamer/plasma/melta/etc. component as many times as they want, this is the opposite of the above FAQ
Rites of War - they are mentioned but does not go into anywhere near the same detail as the FAQ
Named IC clarifications (Lorgar, Sevatar, Horus, etc.)

Next up is the 40k 7th edition FAQ, I believe this is the latest, let me know if it isn't: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/40K_The_Rules_v1.2_Nov16.pdf

Not included:
The heavy stubber in 30k has no AP, in 40k's FAQ it is AP6.
All other changes to text included, obviously the Q&A is not

Other changes:
The FoCs are the 30k FoCs, no 40k FoCs included. Only one FoC/Allied detachment
The Warlord Tactical Traits table is removed, the other traits are the same
The Allies table is the 30k one, come apoc is replaced by Warmaster/Emperor command, and Agents of Emperor/Warmaster added as additional type over 40k
Eternal and Maelstrom replaced by Age of Darkness mission table (12 vs. 6 of them)
40k deployment maps replaced by 30k deployment maps (3 vs. 6 of them)
All the 30k weapon types and their related special rules in this book, so rad, 30k grav (no 40k grav rules at all), phosphex, etc. are in here
Invisibility replaced by Mind Howl - this is the only power that is changed
Generic demon profiles added for summoning, and changes to what you can summon
All the pictures updated to use UM and DG models


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 13:39:43


Post by: Imateria


 Looky Likey wrote:
I've had a go at doing a change log for the new HH rulebook, if I've missed something let me know.

First thing they added was everything from the FW rulebook FAQ: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf

EXCEPT:
Grenades
The sniper clarification for veterans wounding on a 2+ if they have a melta
Combi weapons can now fire both the combi bolter and combi flamer/plasma/melta/etc. component as many times as they want, this is the opposite of the above FAQ
Rites of War - they are mentioned but does not go into anywhere near the same detail as the FAQ
Named IC clarifications (Lorgar, Sevatar, Horus, etc.)

Next up is the 40k 7th edition FAQ, I believe this is the latest, let me know if it isn't: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/40K_The_Rules_v1.2_Nov16.pdf

Not included:
The heavy stubber in 30k has no AP, in 40k's FAQ it is AP6.
All other changes to text included, obviously the Q&A is not

Other changes:
The FoCs are the 30k FoCs, no 40k FoCs included. Only one FoC/Allied detachment
The Warlord Tactical Traits table is removed, the other traits are the same
The Allies table is the 30k one, come apoc is replaced by Warmaster/Emperor command, and Agents of Emperor/Warmaster added as additional type over 40k
Eternal and Maelstrom replaced by Age of Darkness mission table (12 vs. 6 of them)
40k deployment maps replaced by 30k deployment maps (3 vs. 6 of them)
All the 30k weapon types and their related special rules in this book, so rad, 30k grav (no 40k grav rules at all), phosphex, etc. are in here
Invisibility replaced by Mind Howl - this is the only power that is changed
Generic demon profiles added for summoning, and changes to what you can summon
All the pictures updated to use UM and DG models

I should point out that 30K has two Grav rules, Graviton and Graviton Pulse. Graviton works the same way as 40K's Grav, so did they remove this special rule all together?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 14:13:20


Post by: Looky Likey


 Imateria wrote:
I should point out that 30K has two Grav rules, Graviton and Graviton Pulse. Graviton works the same way as 40K's Grav, so did they remove this special rule all together?
Which weapons in 30k use the 40k grav rules? Not sure I've ever seen them, only those that use the 30k version.

In the special rules section there is only gravition pulse, I can find no mention in this section or in the weapons section for the other type. I should point out that the index of this book is a bit hit and miss, all of the special rules aren't in the index, so a bit of a pain to find.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 14:26:52


Post by: Haighus


It is the Mechanicum Grav Imploder. May be just in their rules though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 14:30:08


Post by: Alpharius


Probably best to take the 30K Rules analysis down to the 30K sub-forum.

Thanks!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 14:32:16


Post by: Mr_Rose


So I picked up Culln the Risen and I think I want more leviathan dreads. Such a nice kit.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/02 17:54:07


Post by: Breotan


Not impressed with the bio-titan model. The legs have always been inadequate for supporting the weight of the model. Maybe next week.



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/03 14:54:34


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


 Breotan wrote:
Not impressed with the bio-titan model. The legs have always been inadequate for supporting the weight of the model. Maybe next week.



Protip: Clear acrylic rod holding up the body to remove weight on legs.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/04 04:33:04


Post by: changemod


 Mr_Rose wrote:
So I picked up Culln the Risen and I think I want more leviathan dreads. Such a nice kit.


Fair warning, the Culln dread has some subtle improvements over the original sculpt, most immediately noticable being the angled shoulder mounts allowing for improved arm poseability.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/04 06:06:47


Post by: Commander Cain


Clever clever Forgeworld, they know everyone and their mate has a free shipping voucher and now they're throwing in extra incentives in the form of a competition.

I cheated and sent in an email submission for the bio-titan (yay Canadian gambling laws) but I'll definitely be out 50 quid by the end of the month...

Any thoughts on what the other two or three models might be? I'm thinking a knight/warhound of some sort and maybe a Tau vehicle. That's assuming they only do 40K stuff though, I forget that they sell AoS and LotR stuff as well.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/04 06:59:30


Post by: Crazyterran


I would imagine a phantom/taunar, a warhound and a chaos warhound, all things in the same price range roughly, no?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/04 08:12:27


Post by: Racerguy180


 Commander Cain wrote:
Clever clever Forgeworld, they know everyone and their mate has a free shipping voucher and now they're throwing in extra incentives in the form of a competition.


I'm just at a loss as to what I should order. Kinda want a Spartan/Storm Eagle/Knight Cerastus.

I just wish they had some/more necro models+upgrades.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 08:50:32


Post by: BrookM


First FW release of the new year, let the whining commence: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Space-Wolves-Legion-Praetor-2018



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:14:49


Post by: zedmeister


For a Praetor, he's a very plain model with a bit of a 90's [make it easy to cast, flat pose] vibe.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:18:53


Post by: BrookM


It's a lot like the plastic Praetor from Betrayal at Calth, only mirrored.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:21:02


Post by: Malika2


It's a decent model, not bad...not mindblowing either...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:28:47


Post by: tneva82


Decent model. Not super quality but not bad either. compared to calth one nice it has regular hand for non-fist weapons. Too bad it's way too space wolf centric to work for sons of horus or blood angels so I'll pass at least until I get wolves(though that would be preeeetty long. Priority is legions involved in siege of terra)


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:32:59


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Space Woofs continue to disappoint.

I'm still wondering how much of it is the paintjobs though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:33:30


Post by: Fireball


I like the pose ... but as others already mentioned last year the fur looks subpar for a resin model ...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:39:52


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Has anyone else come to the realization of how much better a lot of Marine models would be if they wore frickin helmets?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 09:54:03


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


You know, I think my issue (and it's solely my issue), is that the Space Woof stuff looks like 3rd Party Knock-off, rather than what we've come to expect from FW.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 10:39:31


Post by: nedsta


Said it elsewhere but I hate the fur, it just looks so 3d sculpted. Compare it to the fur that is on kits from 10+ years ago and it looks exactly as Mad Doc says, a 3rd party knock-off.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 11:16:50


Post by: CragHack


MEH, mostly because it uses the same overused HQ pose and costs nearly 30 quid (counting in FW shipping prices). I bet one could kitbash a better looking Praetor...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 12:13:31


Post by: tneva82


Good. I have no need for eldar titan so happy I don't feel temptation to put in order for that Hoping last week of month is one I would like. Imperial titan or even knight would work just fine!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 12:52:04


Post by: farmersboy


£25 for a figure with the worst fur I've seen in years and a pose that looks like he just run into a plate glass window? Come on guys, this is 2018, not 1988!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 14:40:41


Post by: Haighus


 farmersboy wrote:
... a pose that looks like he just run into a plate glass window?

Now I can't unsee this

I'm not a fan of that model for the same reasons everyone has stated.

Honestly, there are some kitbashes on the Warhammer Community site of some BaC Terminators and plastic Wolfguard bits, which look far better than this. The only thing I like is the weapons, but that ain't worth £25 + shipping. Maybe it looks better unpainted, but I doubt it will improve that much. Pity :(


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/05 15:54:17


Post by: zedmeister


In unrelated news, the Centaur Artillery Tractor is now back in stock after being unavailable for about 6 months:



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 02:03:02


Post by: Padre


 Haighus wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
... a pose that looks like he just run into a plate glass window?

Now I can't unsee this

I(


Me too! I laughed out loud at that description - thank you, Farmersboy...



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 04:51:02


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 BrookM wrote:
First FW release of the new year, let the whining commence: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Space-Wolves-Legion-Praetor-2018



I see it as a replacement for this model, personally:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 06:48:49


Post by: Crazyterran


The fur on the Ragnar model is better.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 10:43:51


Post by: zedmeister


Spac Wolf upgrade (curtesy of Battle Bunnies)







Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 12:16:11


Post by: DaemonJellybaby


That is some of the nicest space wolf gear I've seen in a long time.
Its a really strong space - vikings theme.
Also, I really like the paintjobs on these particular pieces.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 13:05:14


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


I love how the axes don’t look ludicrously large.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 18:27:18


Post by: STG


I love that upgrade kit. the chest armour is superb. will definetly be getting one of them.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 18:32:39


Post by: BrookM


Those are surprisingly okay, the leather masks look a bit goofy IMHO though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 18:34:10


Post by: Yodhrin


I love that they have wooden handles

Those are some lovely bitz though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 19:14:54


Post by: Dryaktylus


I like the masks. One of them looks like there's a braid hanging out of his mouth though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/06 20:47:09


Post by: Haighus


Those are awesome! Some of the best Space Wolves stuff IMO, I love the shields!

The quality of those upgrade parts makes the poor Praetor look even worse by comparison :/



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 08:36:43


Post by: Thamor


Anyone else notice the gun has no grip on the Praetor's hand? Similar to the chainsword that looks like they've glued the top and bottom onto a fist.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 10:30:37


Post by: farmersboy


Thamor wrote:
Anyone else notice the gun has no grip on the Praetor's hand? Similar to the chainsword that looks like they've glued the top and bottom onto a fist.


Shh..they were hoping no one would notice.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 11:14:27


Post by: Iron Angel


So I really do like those shields.. but the axe.. why would you place a wolf head above the blade?
To me it seems that would prevent the blade from doing it's job.

Maybe I'm wrong on that, but to me it feels like a blade below the head of a mace makes no sense.

But then I'm not a Space Wolf player and may not understand all their Wolfy secret weapon stuff.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 12:43:42


Post by: farmersboy


 Iron Angel wrote:
So I really do like those shields.. but the axe.. why would you place a wolf head above the blade?
To me it seems that would prevent the blade from doing it's job.

Maybe I'm wrong on that, but to me it feels like a blade below the head of a mace makes no sense.

But then I'm not a Space Wolf player and may not understand all their Wolfy secret weapon stuff.


Most of what GW design doesn't actually make sense, but you have to ignore that...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 13:46:42


Post by: Mr_Rose


Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 14:10:48


Post by: Crazyterran


instead of leather hats it should've been like the helmet from Skyrim.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 14:45:33


Post by: Elbows


The leather masks feature prominently in the HH novels I've seen which include Space Wolves so I guess they felt compelled to make some.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 16:09:10


Post by: farmersboy


 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically a chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 16:12:01


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?


I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 16:14:07


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.



Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?


I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.


Eh, I can see chainswords being useful against targets with dense / tough flesh.
Stabbing is only good if the blow hits deep enough to hit a vital organ, and slashing is only good if the strike can cause mass bleeding, maiming or manage to bite hard enough in to high something precious.
If you're dealing with something that has tough flesh, then stabs might not pierce deep enough and slashes might not cause sufficient damage.
Power swords aren't really a logistically solution, because those are expensive and need a strong power source, iirc. Cheaper to make a chainsaw in sword form, which can just grind through that tough flesh and cause severe physiological damage.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 16:17:49


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.



Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.



Indeed. I’ve often wondered if powerswords are as impractical as say lightsabers, in that you can’t grasp them by the blade and use halfsword techniques.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 17:05:41


Post by: Haighus


CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.



Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?


I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.


Eh, I can see chainswords being useful against targets with dense / tough flesh.
Stabbing is only good if the blow hits deep enough to hit a vital organ, and slashing is only good if the strike can cause mass bleeding, maiming or manage to bite hard enough in to high something precious.
If you're dealing with something that has tough flesh, then stabs might not pierce deep enough and slashes might not cause sufficient damage.
Power swords aren't really a logistically solution, because those are expensive and need a strong power source, iirc. Cheaper to make a chainsaw in sword form, which can just grind through that tough flesh and cause severe physiological damage.

Indeed, and at each end of the spectrum you have small swords, which have no blade and cannot cut at all, and early falchions, which basically cannot stab (Elmsley type 1).

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.

A purpose designed chainsaw, with an adequate power source, would probably be reasonably useful for a superhuman in half a ton of strength-assisting armour to anchor them.
MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).


A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.



Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.



Indeed. I’ve often wondered if powerswords are as impractical as say lightsabers, in that you can’t grasp them by the blade and use halfsword techniques.

Is there much need? My understanding is that half-swording is primarily useful in fighting armoured opponents, where you cannot rely on the point and blade to wound the opponent, and need to essentially grapple the opponent into submission and precisely target weak points. To this end, the sword functions like a pointy crowbar. Power swords negate much of the effect of armour, so the need for half-swording is reduced.

Having said this, it depends on which bit of fluff you read- some seem to have the disruption field as an energy field vapourising stuff that touches the blade, but other fluff describes it more like an aura that basically softens stuff before the blade carves through it. The latter may be possible to grip with the precision Marines have.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 18:27:35


Post by: Zywus


The 30K spacewolf aestetic really is on another level than the 40K one.

More or less everyone of those bare heads look appealing while I've seen maybe 3-4 heads ever from the multitudes of 40K SW's that doesn't look ridiculous.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 18:47:08


Post by: GoatboyBeta


I wonder if FW will start selling the Custodes Contemptor body separately once the 40k codex arrives?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 18:50:48


Post by: tneva82


 Haighus wrote:

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.


Huh? Interesting. Weight is no issue as even unarmoured marine is many times stronger than normal human and power armour just makes it even better to the point main point of weapon against say human is longer teach(human would be incapacitated by just sheer impact). Maybe the chainsword impracticality is actually false idea then.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/07 21:15:58


Post by: Haighus


tneva82 wrote:
 Haighus wrote:

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.


Huh? Interesting. Weight is no issue as even unarmoured marine is many times stronger than normal human and power armour just makes it even better to the point main point of weapon against say human is longer teach(human would be incapacitated by just sheer impact). Maybe the chainsword impracticality is actually false idea then.

Weight is an issue- stength does not negate momentum. Even with infinite strength, if the chainsword is too heavy, the Marine will swing round it somewhat when he tries to swing the saw. Hence why I mentioned that the power armour is very heavy- this counters the weight of the chainsaw and actually would allow a Marine to wield a heavy melee weapon much better. Human chainswords would have to be considerably lighter.

I think even with the massively increased strengthof Marines over humans, it would be possible for humans to parry Marine weapon strikes- its a matter of levers. A weak but skilled fencer can block a blow from a very strong fencer because the strike hits at the end of the attacking blade, but near the hilt of the defending blade (if the attack was worth blocking at all). Having said this, there would be a degree of smashing through the block. I doubt this would be incapacitating, but it would be overwhelming against all but the most skilled, hardened humans.

When I say durable above, I men the teeth didn't fly off when they sawed wood (which is a lot tougher than flesh and living bone). However, they did not swing the thing into anything. I reckon a chainsword could be practical, but I doubt it would ever be the most practical melee weapon in an era that could produce it.

Anyway, despite being interesting, this is drifting off topic


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 09:17:09


Post by: Process


Has anybody got better pics of the imperial fists repulsor doors that went on sale at the weekend? h
Anybody know how much they are?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 12:10:52


Post by: Nicky J


Process wrote:
Has anybody got better pics of the imperial fists repulsor doors that went on sale at the weekend? h
Anybody know how much they are?


There's few pics about half way down the page here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Sd4BURqw-UE6SqnFMZwOmwvM5zG6BAHb


as for price, every other chapter's are £10, so probably that;
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?qty=com.gamesworkshop.endeca.EndecaUserContext%401c6d4e87&sorting=&view=&Ntt=repulsor


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 12:44:04


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


Jeez. Not to beat a dead horse... but the paintjobs coming out of FW nowadays are just awful. The style is jarring and does no justice to the sculpts. I wish they would get just like a single 'Eavy Metal person to move over and do them.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 13:25:44


Post by: Mymearan


They outsource the paint jobs to a guy who posts on FB quite often, he's Italian I think... he has a very distinct painting style indeed. I like it on some models and not so much on others.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 15:27:19


Post by: warboss




Does the guy on the right have a pony tail growing out of his mouth?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 16:42:54


Post by: Haighus


I think it is meant to be a braided beard, but it does look odd. Maybe the face is gurning? I suspect it will look better in person when you can view it from multiple perspectives and the image isn't blurry.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 17:02:33


Post by: Irbis


 Haighus wrote:

Weight is an issue- stength does not negate momentum. Even with infinite strength, if the chainsword is too heavy, the Marine will swing round it somewhat when he tries to swing the saw. Hence why I mentioned that the power armour is very heavy- this counters the weight of the chainsaw and actually would allow a Marine to wield a heavy melee weapon much better. Human chainswords would have to be considerably lighter.

Lighter, you say?

Spoiler:


Ironically enough the bolt pistols here look a lot less ridiculous than on most IG art due to being thin like actual guns...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/08 21:56:37


Post by: zedmeister


Not seen this posted in this thread as yet. From the latest Community post:

Finally, the New Year’s Open Day saw some very exciting news for Legio Custodes players – rules are on the way for using your models in Warhammer 40,000 alongside the new plastic Adeptus Custodes.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 02:34:55


Post by: ArtIsGreat


Ugh, are these ugly masks thanks to Abnetts terrible Burning of Prospero? When is that book going to stop hurting people lol


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 04:10:33


Post by: tneva82


 zedmeister wrote:
Not seen this posted in this thread as yet. From the latest Community post:

Finally, the New Year’s Open Day saw some very exciting news for Legio Custodes players – rules are on the way for using your models in Warhammer 40,000 alongside the new plastic Adeptus Custodes.


Was mentioned on the custodes thread but guess it works here. Now what about reverse? 30k rules for the new units? Terminators, basic armour elite guys and jetbike. Want an excuse to buy them.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 13:08:15


Post by: changemod


tneva82 wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
Not seen this posted in this thread as yet. From the latest Community post:

Finally, the New Year’s Open Day saw some very exciting news for Legio Custodes players – rules are on the way for using your models in Warhammer 40,000 alongside the new plastic Adeptus Custodes.


Was mentioned on the custodes thread but guess it works here. Now what about reverse? 30k rules for the new units? Terminators, basic armour elite guys and jetbike. Want an excuse to buy them.


-Valoris: Use as a tribune.
-Elite dudes: Use as Hetareon
-Awesome bikes: Use instead of awful bikes.

Only useless ones are terminators, even then they might be cheaper and a viable conversion base.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 13:12:02


Post by: tneva82


changemod wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
Not seen this posted in this thread as yet. From the latest Community post:

Finally, the New Year’s Open Day saw some very exciting news for Legio Custodes players – rules are on the way for using your models in Warhammer 40,000 alongside the new plastic Adeptus Custodes.


Was mentioned on the custodes thread but guess it works here. Now what about reverse? 30k rules for the new units? Terminators, basic armour elite guys and jetbike. Want an excuse to buy them.


-Valoris: Use as a tribune.
-Elite dudes: Use as Hetareon
-Awesome bikes: Use instead of awful bikes.

Only useless ones are terminators, even then they might be cheaper and a viable conversion base.


Elite ones don't show all with weapons.

And bike weapons don't match so not usable. 30k bikes are shooty units. These are h2h units. Wee bit different...

Besides these are way too overblinged to work as standard bike unit. More like elite bikes like Hetareon vs basic custodian squad.

And you forgot terminators who again don't match 30k equilavents at all for weapons.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 13:34:34


Post by: changemod


tneva82 wrote:
Elite ones don't show all with weapons.

And bike weapons don't match so not usable. 30k bikes are shooty units. These are h2h units. Wee bit different...

Besides these are way too overblinged to work as standard bike unit. More like elite bikes like Hetareon vs basic custodian squad.

And you forgot terminators who again don't match 30k equilavents at all for weapons.


If you're saying that the elites don't have alll Hetareon weapons, they still have a visually distinct look, good for converting weapons onto. And they come with a variant poleaxe version of the guardian spear, so there's something for their commonly used paragon blade right there.

Both bikes are a rider with a spear and an underslung gun. If you can't swap out an underslung gun on a bike I have nothing to say to you on the matter.

And no, I mentioned the terminators. Listed them seperately because they'll obviously be a little extra work and are conditional on being enough of a relative bargain to justify the conversion effort.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 13:40:34


Post by: tneva82


Swapping gun possible? Yes. EXCEPT THERE'S NO WEAPONS SOLD! What? You expect me to buy FW bike kit AND plastic version and use those weapons on plastic dumping rest of bike? Expensive bikes for sure! For overblinged bikes to be standard bike unit.

Guess it works if you are swimming in cash but waaaaay outside my budget. I just keep the FW bikes then and use them. Works better as basic bike unit anyway.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 13:44:30


Post by: changemod


tneva82 wrote:
Swapping gun possible? Yes. EXCEPT THERE'S NO WEAPONS SOLD! What? You expect me to buy FW bike kit AND plastic version and use those weapons on plastic dumping rest of bike? Expensive bikes for sure! For overblinged bikes to be standard bike unit.

Guess it works if you are swimming in cash but waaaaay outside my budget. I just keep the FW bikes then and use them. Works better as basic bike unit anyway.


I'm ignoring the "overblinged" and "basic bike" comments for Custodes because as little sense as that makes to me it's a subjective issue.

The other though... You can't imagine having the parts for fancy variants on heavy Bolters and Lascannons? You can't imagine working something out for the heavy hairdryer death ray?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 16:30:24


Post by: DaemonJellybaby


The only expensive part to replace is the heavy hairdryer, a volkite culverin is probably the best replacement.
£13.50 from forgeworld for 5.
Presuming you only want the death rays, you're sorted there and then.
I guarantee the total for 3 bikes is less than £90.
Cheaper than FW, you get (mostly) plastic over resin.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 16:50:28


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


ArtIsGreat wrote:
Ugh, are these ugly masks thanks to Abnetts terrible Burning of Prospero? When is that book going to stop hurting people lol


Never, we few that dislike the book are damned to eternal suffering.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 19:46:23


Post by: tneva82


changemod wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Swapping gun possible? Yes. EXCEPT THERE'S NO WEAPONS SOLD! What? You expect me to buy FW bike kit AND plastic version and use those weapons on plastic dumping rest of bike? Expensive bikes for sure! For overblinged bikes to be standard bike unit.

Guess it works if you are swimming in cash but waaaaay outside my budget. I just keep the FW bikes then and use them. Works better as basic bike unit anyway.


I'm ignoring the "overblinged" and "basic bike" comments for Custodes because as little sense as that makes to me it's a subjective issue.

The other though... You can't imagine having the parts for fancy variants on heavy Bolters and Lascannons? You can't imagine working something out for the heavy hairdryer death ray?


Yeah right slap heavy bolters on which then...Look like heavy bolters. GG! And then to add to confusion you would have multiple models on board with clearly different looking weapons with same weapon rules.

Maybe you like proxying. I don\t.


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DaemonJellybaby wrote:
The only expensive part to replace is the heavy hairdryer, a volkite culverin is probably the best replacement.
£13.50 from forgeworld for 5.
Presuming you only want the death rays, you're sorted there and then.
I guarantee the total for 3 bikes is less than £90.
Cheaper than FW, you get (mostly) plastic over resin.


So you proxy volkite weapons so you have somewhere volkite weapons that are volkites and elsewhere volkite weapons that aren't volkites and somewhere the real gun.

Naaah some people don't like proxying and such a confusing where you have volkites as volkites, volkites as death ray and death ray as death ray is way too confusing.

Cheaper it might be but also inferior. Quality is sometimes worth paying. It's not like custodians is army you need tons of model so might just as well make sure they are GOOD LOOKING. Plastic ones are yes cheaper but look wise also inferior.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 20:00:29


Post by: Crimson


As a person who has literally been waiting years for 40K rules for FW's Mechanicum stuff, I find it hilarious that people are now crying for HH rules for main GW stuff.

And yes, they obviously should make such rules, but FW is pretty gak at providing rules for non-marine stuff.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/09 20:38:39


Post by: Alpharius


Meanwhile, can you guys take just about all of that to a separate thread?

Thanks.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 09:30:41


Post by: zedmeister


Looks like the Hell Blade has been returned to us:



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 09:39:07


Post by: BrookM


Don't see any new releases yet on my end, but they've put up the next big thing you can win:



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 09:46:10


Post by: Overread


See that model is very much in my "would love one but can never justify buying one" pile. Seriously for such a new army Tau got some fantastic models out of forgeworld!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 09:54:03


Post by: Vorian


 Overread wrote:
See that model is very much in my "would love one but can never justify buying one" pile. Seriously for such a new army Tau got some fantastic models out of forgeworld!


Only in 40k could a 16 year old army be referred to as new


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 10:07:31


Post by: Overread


Vorian wrote:
 Overread wrote:
See that model is very much in my "would love one but can never justify buying one" pile. Seriously for such a new army Tau got some fantastic models out of forgeworld!


Only in 40k could a 16 year old army be referred to as new


Pfft well new compared to Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Necrons, Sisters and all the others

Seriously considering the ages you'd expect Tau to have fewer things from FW, yet they've got one of the more diverse ranges.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 10:16:56


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 10:54:45


Post by: Looky Likey


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.
Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 11:11:03


Post by: Clockpunk


Damnit, the weeks of no new FW releases are incredibly frustrating - especially as an ardent BB fan, and there are so many star players, goblin special weapons, and existing team booster packs still needed. >.<


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 13:04:41


Post by: Crazyterran


Killed it in two rounds with four Grav Cents last edition. Of course, theybhad Tigurius and Draigo with them...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 13:07:38


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Looky Likey wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.
Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.



I'm mostly just bitter that my Ordinatus Phallocannon consistently underperformed in that Apocalypse game.

Could I roll a 6? Could I nowt!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 13:10:06


Post by: Crazyterran


 Looky Likey wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.
Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.



When someone drops two Supremacy Suits and a Warhound on you, they should also just reach across the table and slap you with their wallet.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/12 14:34:17


Post by: Looky Likey


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Looky Likey wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.
Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.



I'm mostly just bitter that my Ordinatus Phallocannon consistently underperformed in that Apocalypse game.

Could I roll a 6? Could I nowt!
In an apoc or a full on competitive game I'd have no problems with it. My Ordiantus normally works well against everything but troops, it just doesn't generate enough wounds reliably enough.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/13 22:15:33


Post by: iggy


ArtIsGreat wrote:
Ugh, are these ugly masks thanks to Abnetts terrible Burning of Prospero? When is that book going to stop hurting people lol


Stoicly, Abnett churned out another stoicly terrible book of stoicism.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/13 22:36:52


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Crazyterran wrote:
 Looky Likey wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's also a complete sod in the game.

Well, it was in 7th Ed anyway, not sure about 8th.
Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.



When someone drops two Supremacy Suits and a Warhound on you, they should also just reach across the table and slap you with their wallet.


It would probably work better than the rules for Titans in 8th. Those need a major redo


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 09:51:09


Post by: BrookM


No new stuff yet on my end, though they have updated the contest:



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 09:59:21


Post by: tneva82


Oh crap. That is tempting. But I have 1 shot. This or wait for next week which might or might not be useful for me...ARGH!

Well odds would be pretty slim but the poker player in me is for spending when EV is maximum. Would kick me in ass if next week is even better! (though not much left that would be better...Reaver is about only one that could top this I think. Don't think they give warlord and I already have 1 warhound unlike this one)


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:07:10


Post by: CragHack


Oh wow, a FOURTH week with nothing new. Gotta give them a gold medal for slacking.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:09:23


Post by: Yodhrin


Aaaand of course the week that has something I might actually want to win right around the time I actually have a planned FW order that would qualify ends three days before I'll have the money to make the order. Of course it does


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:20:33


Post by: Peregrine


I'm honestly surprised this is all we're seeing. FW doesn't even have some doors or shoulder pads as a filler release? I wonder if this means they've been working on an interesting new project, or if they've just been lazy over the holidays and done zero work.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:22:49


Post by: beast_gts


They're re-doing old moulds like the Macharius and Hell Talon.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:24:22


Post by: Looky Likey


I would guess they are saving stuff back for the HH weekender on the 3rd Feb, which I am really looking forward to go to.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:24:50


Post by: Peregrine


Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:25:53


Post by: Fireball


FW sleepwalking ... instead of having upgrade kits ready for Custodes to coincide with GW release


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 10:33:44


Post by: beast_gts


According to the newsletter, The Nazgûl of Dol Guldur are pre-order today.


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Spoiler:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 11:10:14


Post by: Vorian


 Peregrine wrote:
Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.


All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 11:30:21


Post by: Peregrine


Vorian wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.


All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?


You need to look at the US rules (there should be a link in the rest-of-world rules): https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Win-an-Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a T’au KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.


(Pretty obvious cut and paste error on the prize listed, but I'd call and verify if you want to enter that way.)

And note that this is not an optional thing for FW to offer. It's illegal to run a giveaway like this in the US and require a purchase to enter. If they want to have it open to US residents they are required to offer a free entry option. So if you ever see a contest in the US without one stated you should contact the company running it and tell them that they are breaking the law and must allow you to enter for free.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 11:49:46


Post by: Vorian


Ahh, I see - I was just checking if it was free for the whole world, but seems like only you folks across the pond get to


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 12:01:00


Post by: tneva82


Vorian wrote:
Ahh, I see - I was just checking if it was free for the whole world, but seems like only you folks across the pond get to


Nah just the countries where they are legally bound. Other countries have mandatory quiz as you can't give just by random but entrant must show some "skill" so they get asked something very simple(wouldn't surprise if it was like "what was name of primarch that led Horus Heresy" or something like that Either case something that's silly easy for the target customer)


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 12:38:03


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


beast_gts wrote:
According to the newsletter, The Nazgûl of Dol Guldur are pre-order today.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Spoiler:


Bland, lifeless '00s style sculpts. Ick.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 12:47:47


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Peregrine wrote:
Vorian wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.


All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?


You need to look at the US rules (there should be a link in the rest-of-world rules): https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Win-an-Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a T’au KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.


(Pretty obvious cut and paste error on the prize listed, but I'd call and verify if you want to enter that way.)

And note that this is not an optional thing for FW to offer. It's illegal to run a giveaway like this in the US and require a purchase to enter. If they want to have it open to US residents they are required to offer a free entry option. So if you ever see a contest in the US without one stated you should contact the company running it and tell them that they are breaking the law and must allow you to enter for free.


If I'm right in thinking, that's because a compo that requires a purchase become gambling?

I'm sure we've got the same thing in the UK. Or at least used to. Crisp Packet prize draws used to have the 'no purchase necessary, write in and we'll open a bag for you, honest' thing.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 13:31:53


Post by: iggy


I'm sure we've got the same thing in the UK. Or at least used to. Crisp Packet prize draws used to have the 'no purchase necessary, write in and we'll open a bag for you, honest' thing.


The Tories happened.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 14:34:25


Post by: Haighus


 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
According to the newsletter, The Nazgûl of Dol Guldur are pre-order today.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Spoiler:


Bland, lifeless '00s style sculpts. Ick.

I like the dude with the axe, but the others are distinctly meh.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 18:18:19


Post by: scottmmmm


I wish they separated the competition by region if they're going to apply different criteria to entrants in different places.

Doesn't seem like it's worth paying to enter when everyone in the US can get in for free.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 18:27:17


Post by: Alpharius


I'd be shocked if someone from the USA actually wins though!

So, if you were going to order anyway, this is just a nice [potential] bonus...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/19 18:28:59


Post by: Overread


 scottmmmm wrote:
I wish they separated the competition by region if they're going to apply different criteria to entrants in different places.

Doesn't seem like it's worth paying to enter when everyone in the US can get in for free.


It's not so much that they are giving different criteria; but rather that different governments enforce different criteria depending on the nature of the competition.

Also lets be honest its a single prize and even at a slow period I'm sure FW makes quite a good number of sales - ergo free or paid the chances of winning are very slight.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/20 01:56:07


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Alpharius wrote:
I'd be shocked if someone from the USA actually wins though!

So, if you were going to order anyway, this is just a nice [potential] bonus...


I just ordered an Acastus last knight before I knew what it was today. It would be hilarious and awesome if that entry won an Acastus.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/20 02:04:15


Post by: Alpharius


I'd be OK with that!

Best of luck to you!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/22 02:49:27


Post by: vadersson


Does anyone know where they ever post the winners? I don't think I have ever actually heard of anyone winning one of these contests.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/22 03:46:19


Post by: Enginseer Kalashnikov


http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/22 12:38:48


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?


Someone please confirm this. I find it hard to believe Fires will ever truly be released.

When is the next Open day for FW? Anyone know?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/22 12:47:46


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Haven't heard corroboration myself - but all rumours start with a single one!

I'll keep some cashmunneh aside for that badboy.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/22 13:24:26


Post by: Looky Likey


 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?


Someone please confirm this. I find it hard to believe Fires will ever truly be released.

When is the next Open day for FW? Anyone know?
Next FW event is the HH weekender at the start of February. FW have released a IA book at a HH weekender before, I bought IA 13 at one before it went on general sale. However I would guess that would be too early as I can't see FW releasing an IA book featuring Tau before the Tau codex dropped.

The next big event that isn't AoS only is Warhammerfest in May, after that FW have an open day in July.

So either Forgeworld will release the new IA online when the Tau codex comes out, or they will likely wait till May?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/24 09:08:58


Post by: tedurur


Am I just blind or is it impossibly to buy the knight they have in the lottery?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/24 09:23:52


Post by: beast_gts


tedurur wrote:
Am I just blind or is it impossibly to buy the knight they have in the lottery?


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/24 11:28:39


Post by: unmercifulconker


 Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?


Missed that tidbit, hopefully it's true, interesting that the rumoured release schedule has Tau Codex for March, which seems to be more and more likely considering the schedule so far seems to be correct. Releasing Tau first half of March then Fires in the later half would make sense.

Eagerness to know more intensifies.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:20:33


Post by: BrookM


Nothing new in the store yet as far as I can tell, but the contest has been updated:



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:22:32


Post by: zedmeister


What a dry month for new releases... :(


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:23:48


Post by: BrookM


Or they are taking a breather, heaven forbid!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:24:04


Post by: Fireball


more tank doors ... very dull



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:29:45


Post by: Mymearan


Imperial fists repulsive doors! That’s anything but dull


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:32:00


Post by: Fireball


 Mymearan wrote:
Imperial fists repulsive doors! That’s anything but dull


yeah, they look fine but I am not into tanks (only collector not player) so the current stretch of releases from FW do not much for me ...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:45:46


Post by: Zingraff


Hooray!

I really wish they would spend their resources on keeping existing models in production, or reintroduce out of production items. I want them to bring back transfers and etched brass items that's been oop for a while now. I guess FW orders them from one or more suppliers, and once the stock is depleted, they don't make any further orders, which is a shame.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 09:49:04


Post by: beast_gts


 Zingraff wrote:
I really wish they would spend their resources on keeping existing models in production, or reintroduce out of production items. I want them to bring back transfers and etched brass items that's been oop for a while now. I guess FW orders them from one or more suppliers, and once the stock is depleted, they don't make any further orders, which is a shame.

They tried to bring transfers in-house, and even hired a designer for them - but they got transferred to other projects.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 10:28:02


Post by: Rolsheen


Have they announced any winners yet?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 11:33:55


Post by: tneva82


 Rolsheen wrote:
Have they announced any winners yet?


Didnt' check on early competition dates but at least last and this week draw will be on same day(90% sure) so maybe they all are drawn and announced on same day?

Aaaand guess this means I won't be spending 50£ for my free shipping. That prize is useless for me. So maybe just get Sons of Horus airbrush paint bottles for future.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/26 11:43:14


Post by: CragHack


I would just sell this one right away. 200 gbp is nothing to sneeze at. Might enter it just for the sake of this reason - still have free shipping vouchers and there's ALWAYS something to buy from FW :'D


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/27 10:53:07


Post by: reds8n


https://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/2018/01/26/horus-heresy-necromunda-weekender-2018-studio-guests/


In this news update for the Horus Heresy and Necromunda Weekender, we’re looking at who will be attending this event:
As you can see from the list above, every aspect of the Forge World Studio Design Team will be here at the Horus Heresy & Necromunder Weekender ready to talk about the hobby and pass on any hints and tips to help you with your hobby in 2018!

Black Library bring along a staggering array of Authors & Artists to this years Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender

Taking place at The Nottingham Belfry Hotel on Friday 2nd, Saturday 3rd and Sunday 4th February, this sold out event is going to be a great weekend for all fans of Horus Heresy & Necromunda.



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Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/27 16:14:24


Post by: zamerion


Do you know if there will be blood bowl too?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 09:38:21


Post by: Thamor


Weekender Schedule released, no seminar on Angelus. But there is one on the new Book: Malevolence



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 09:53:42


Post by: Looky Likey


Schedule for Sunday:


No Angelus on the schedule means it'll be on sale at the weekender. I'm also betting we will see either another red book on sale or announced.

I'm really looking forward to this, I'll be taking my Ultramarines. Anybody else going?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:01:48


Post by: Thamor


 Looky Likey wrote:
Schedule for Sunday:


No Angelus on the schedule means it'll be on sale at the weekender. I'm also betting we will see either another red book on sale or announced.

I'm really looking forward to this, I'll be taking my Ultramarines. Anybody else going?


You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:04:20


Post by: zedmeister


Interesting. And Titandeath gives me hope that we'll see a preview or something around Adeptus Titanicus


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:05:23


Post by: zamerion


No seminar on new models of necromunda? : /
I hope they show something in the seminary of necromunda's future.


Besides, is there nothing about blood bowl?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:05:48


Post by: CragHack


Man, they are sure pushing that Necromunda hard...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:12:53


Post by: Looky Likey


Thamor wrote:

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.
The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:14:07


Post by: Vorian


You'd expect quite a bit of Necromunda at the Heresy and Necromunda weekender to be fair (and probably expect less blood bowl).

The future of Necromunda is the likeliest place for future models to crop up (probably get to see Weapons packs, at least gang #4 hopefully)


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:18:06


Post by: tneva82


Uuu getting nervous about the Angelus. With BA as my 2nd force I really want that book.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:19:01


Post by: Thamor


 Looky Likey wrote:
Thamor wrote:

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.
The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.


I agree. Angelus has been a long time coming, Forgeworld know that they need to finish off the Legions - Rules wise. But knowing Forgeworld, Angelus has been delayed and Malevolence is a filler book to include Daemons


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:19:30


Post by: zedmeister


tneva82 wrote:
Uuu getting nervous about the Angelus. With BA as my 2nd force I really want that book.


I'm reckoning that Angelus has been split in 2 - Malevolance may be Dæmons and Blood Angels with Night Lords and Dark Angels later this year/early next year


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:26:51


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Wish they'd show us the niceness that'll be available on the day.

I mean, I'm not going, but I like a drool as much as the next nerd.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:29:31


Post by: Looky Likey


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wish they'd show us the niceness that'll be available on the day.

I mean, I'm not going, but I like a drool as much as the next nerd.
They seem to be drip feeding a new bit of info each day, so I'm expecting that later this week.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 10:55:37


Post by: jinnai


Valdor should be available to buy at the weekender as he’ll be shown.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 11:52:20


Post by: BrookM


 zedmeister wrote:
Interesting. And Titandeath gives me hope that we'll see a preview or something around Adeptus Titanicus
This is probably the new table they're building, which features a destroyed Warlord.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 13:00:31


Post by: zedmeister


 BrookM wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
Interesting. And Titandeath gives me hope that we'll see a preview or something around Adeptus Titanicus
This is probably the new table they're building, which features a destroyed Warlord.


Well, Titandeath on Beta Garmon was what the (initial) Adeptus Titanicus release game is supposed to be based around.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 13:08:12


Post by: Vorian


Andy Hoare is at that one - wouldn't that suggest it's a specialist game and therefore AT?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 14:10:52


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Future of Necromunda one will be the one I'm most interested in.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 14:32:53


Post by: gorgon


 Looky Likey wrote:
Thamor wrote:

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.
The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.


I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 15:03:55


Post by: Looky Likey


 gorgon wrote:
 Looky Likey wrote:
Thamor wrote:

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.
The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.


I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.
Where did that date come from? If I remember correctly the last weekender they said either end of 2017 or early 2018...

Before Alan's passing Angelus was nearly completed, so that would mean FW wanted another 20 odd months to finish it off rather than 12 months or so that delivering it for this weekend. That seems way off considering how many people they have recruited to the team and based on what they said at the last weekender.

At the last weekender they confirmed that content already:
The Blood Angels Legion
The Dark Angels Legion
Daemons
The Dark Mechanicum
The Night Lords Legion


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 18:52:44


Post by: gorgon


 Looky Likey wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Looky Likey wrote:
Thamor wrote:

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.
The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.


I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.
Where did that date come from? If I remember correctly the last weekender they said either end of 2017 or early 2018...

Before Alan's passing Angelus was nearly completed, so that would mean FW wanted another 20 odd months to finish it off rather than 12 months or so that delivering it for this weekend. That seems way off considering how many people they have recruited to the team and based on what they said at the last weekender.

At the last weekender they confirmed that content already:
The Blood Angels Legion
The Dark Angels Legion
Daemons
The Dark Mechanicum
The Night Lords Legion


There was an entire thread about it here.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/736341.page

Honestly, I'm not even confident that they'll hit that date. I'm not sure where you got the 'Angelus was nearly done' thing from, because I haven't heard that anywhere. But of course model development time could be a factor here, and we know that resources are tight at FW with everything going on there.

I feel like you haven't reached full acceptance of the realities at FW...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/29 18:58:43


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


 Looky Likey wrote:

Before Alan's passing Angelus was nearly completed,


No it wasn't.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/30 17:33:07


Post by: ImAGeek


Yeah, Angelus will be pushed back to 2019 if anything, there’s no way it’s ready now. End of this year was what they said.

I think Malevolence is probably just Angelus renamed.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/30 19:23:09


Post by: Fireball


Hopefully there will be an info tomorrow on what will be available at the weekender incl. a pic of Valdor


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/30 21:31:45


Post by: gorgon


I think everyone is expecting that both Dorn and Valdor will be unveiled.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 07:01:39


Post by: Fireball


 gorgon wrote:
I think everyone is expecting that both Dorn and Valdor will be unveiled.


Valdor is set ... but Dorn being available as well would be a huge surprise ... I do not think it will happen as FW is moving very slowly right now


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 09:09:17


Post by: Crazyterran


The releases could be slow because they are holding things back at this point to have a big unveiling and drum up some hype.

If people know Dorn/Valdor/etc are coming, they will save up a bit and maybe even buy extra.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 09:13:34


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Plus it was the end of the year/start of the new year. Not much going on then.

Expect a long list of awesome new stuff to show up this weekend. Hopefully that 'long list' includes Necromunda releases beyond some sketches/photos of the next gang and some bulletpoints about GW3.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 09:38:21


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It is odd we've not had any pre-release teases yet.

Wish I was going, but I just can't justify the ticket price. And of course, people snapping up multiples to try to sell on eBay for stupider money. Parasites.

As for slowed releases? It makes me wonder if these weeks were originally pencilled in for Adeptus Titanicus prior to it's delays. Pure speculation like, and probably wrong. But it does feel like something is missing.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 10:34:44


Post by: beast_gts


DORN!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/31/forge-world-preview-rogal-dorn-revealed/


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Spoiler:

Forge World Preview: Rogal Dorn Revealed

After 30 years, the castellan of the Imperium is finally getting a model to match his legendary reputation. Say hello to Rogal Dorn:



Rogal Dorn is the next magnificent entry in the Horus Heresy Character Series and the latest Primarch to join his brothers in miniature form. Dorn is depicted imperiously surveying the battle around him, a bulwark against the tide of terrors that face the Imperium in the 31st Millennium.




Rogal Dorn has long been an iconic character, and his miniature draws on art and influences from across Warhammer 40,000’s history. We caught up with the designers to see how they brought this iconic figure to life:



Whether you’re a dedicated Horus Heresy player or you’re just an Imperial Fists fan who’s been itching to get your hands on a Primarch of your own, Rogal Dorn’s arrival is a momentous occasion. You’ll be able to order this guy for your army soon, and if you’re attending the Horus Heresy and Necromunda Weekender, you’ll have the chance to pick him up early.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 10:48:07


Post by: tneva82


Owww if I wasn't overflowing with projects I would be starting Imperial fists for this!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 10:53:02


Post by: Shadox


What a sexy dude


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 10:54:49


Post by: kronk


Love it!

While I would have liked a dynamic pose with Alpharius like Fulgrim/Manos, I still like it. Stoic, feth you this is my goddam wall look on his face.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:07:47


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Definitely a competent warrior's 'who's next' pose - reminds me of Kung Fu type movies.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:10:17


Post by: alleus


It's absolutely perfect (except the abstinence of a mustache). The calm, collected sentinel of Terra.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:20:02


Post by: Fireball


Funny how I am always wrong ... if they really release Dorn and Valdor nearly at the same time I am extremely hyped ... gold all the way ...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:22:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Careful folks. Careful.

The problem with mentioning Dorn has never been about resetting the clock that FW has when it comes to making Dorn, simply releasing him.

So every time you mention Dorn, or ask for Dorn, or even just put the word 'Dorn' in your post, FW resets the release clock.

After my post alone the completed Dorn model won't be out for at least another 3.5 years.

DORN!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:23:27


Post by: Jack Flask


Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

Spoiler:




Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:29:13


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I did expect the eagle thing on his back to be bigger.

Shouldn't the dead Marines near him be Alpha Legionaries?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:32:47


Post by: Glumy


Simply amazing. Up this day i only really liked 2 Primarch models - Horus and Angron. Others are better or worse for me. Dont really know why only those 2 but...

Rogal Dorn is simply amazing. Its 3 now.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:45:09


Post by: Slinky


Dorn is very nice. VERY nice. Starting a 30k army nice. Oh dear :(


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:45:12


Post by: Process


Soooo, anybody from the North of England going to the weekender fancy picking me one of this guy up?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:49:56


Post by: Vorian


Definitely one of the best Primarch sculpts for me


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 11:58:01


Post by: Fayric


The fact he just stand there with a good old chainsword makes him the most badass primearch yet.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:09:11


Post by: Nostromodamus


He will be my first 30k Primarch, and I’m a Death Guard player


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:22:48


Post by: ShortyPreds


will judge him when we see how big his chainsword really is...the eagle in the back is too small...like his pose. Now lets see what forgeworld will do with the price of him.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:25:30


Post by: Messiah


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I did expect the eagle thing on his back to be bigger.

Shouldn't the dead Marines near him be Alpha Legionaries?


They are.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:35:51


Post by: Ketara


Kind of poor. It's as if the elements were there for a better model, but it's just lacking in execution. I've seen better conversion based off of other models.
Spoiler:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:37:33


Post by: Warpspy


Lord Adorable himself!

Very nice model, i like it. I think it can be the best primarch model released so far. The face is very very well done, it actually looks like a person and not some horrific doll (like most of the GW minis). The details are correct, not so cartoonish as some of the illustrations. The pose reflects very well the character of the lore character, stoic, tough, hard as a wall... That's a good thing. Really good.

It shows also that GW is capable and knows how to make well sculpted and beautiful models. It would be really nice if they put all these talent and good work in making nicer and more beautiful miniatures for their regular lines, and step away from the damned "heroic-scale" nonsense (that means ugly as hell models).



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:53:19


Post by: Imateria


I like the details but overall Dorn comes across as being one of the blander Primarch models, only one step up on Guillaman.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 12:54:42


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


Wow. Great sculpt AND a solid paintjob too.

And I know you IF players have been waiting a while. 6 full months longer than me waiting on my stupid decals. Must be satisfying.... I'm not salty, honestly.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 13:32:37


Post by: DaemonJellybaby


Dorn is lovely, except, as usual, he has a baby-face.
Everything else is lovely, but I want to see the bare resin before passing judgement on the head.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 13:43:29


Post by: Sunny Side Up


I knew it reminded me of something

[Thumb - rogal dorn.jpg]


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 13:50:31


Post by: Geifer


Hellooooo beautiful!

Didn't think this day would come.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 14:41:02


Post by: warboss


I like the stoic pose. Not every primarch needs to be frozen in a stasis field while in the middle of some dramatic action teetering on the tip of a pile of rubble.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 14:57:42


Post by: str00dles1


Pose is good, but that face is terrible. That's been a thing with FW though. Russ...Angelos...Now Dorn all horrid


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 15:28:30


Post by: warboss


str00dles1 wrote:
Pose is good, but that face is terrible. That's been a thing with FW though. Russ...Angelos...Now Dorn all horrid


The face could definitely use some improvement and, as you said, it's been a relatively long running issue.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 15:37:07


Post by: Bulldogging


Wish they would simply give us helmet options.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:26:20


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


Jack Flask wrote:Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

Spoiler:




Ketara wrote:Kind of poor. It's as if the elements were there for a better model, but it's just lacking in execution. I've seen better conversion based off of other models.




You are allowed your opinions, even if they are wrong.

Personally I love the model, I love some of the more rediculous details being toned down. The pose is great and fits my image of Dorn.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:29:10


Post by: djones520


Yeah, everyones got their opinions on it. Some folks like the Space Wolf sculpts. Some folks hate this.

They're wrong. But they can have their opinions.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:31:48


Post by: Formosa


Pleasantly surprised by dorn, not too over the top, cool pose, and it's my mates birthday pressy sorted


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:34:55


Post by: Verviedi


Oh my god, yet another Space Marine? How could FW-

I’m just kidding, don’t lynch me. Fantastic model, and you long suffering Imperial Fists players definitely deserve it. Needs a proper mustache though.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:57:30


Post by: ph34r


Jack Flask wrote:
Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

100% agreement from me. I have no idea what they were doing with this one.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 16:58:23


Post by: Galas


I think all FW Primarchs sculpts lack a Helmeted option. They are the ideal opportunity to give them really crazy and fancy helmets (But thats maybe my "always with an helmet" bias) ... as others, everything about the miniature is good... expect the face.

EDIT: I correct myself, that face is exceptional.



I still like helmets more, but the expresion and painting 10/10. After many controversial paintjobs, FW has show what they can do with this.

EDIT2: Damm... now I only see an old Cristiano Ronaldo:

Spoiler:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:04:10


Post by: ImAGeek


I’ve asked the FW loot sharing FB group if someone can pick this up for me. Making Dorn my first Primarch model. The Imperial Fists aren’t even a legion I had much interest in before, that’s how much I love this model. I think it’s my favourite of the Primarchs.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:04:47


Post by: Elbows


Personally, I dislike the majority of the Primarchs (either due to sculpt or pose, often both). This is one of the few I think is very well done. It's almost shocking to me that it's not wildly swinging arms in a circle leaping off the kneepad of a Titan, grimacing with weapons twice the size of his body.

In a current aesthetic zone where GW is continually disappointing me with largely comically-overstyled stuff, this is a breath of fresh air.

That being said, I understand that the overwhelming majority of GW customers/consumers/fans are not exactly "less is more" types...so I understand why some people will be disappointed. I think my general opinion comes form law enforcement/military experiences where the real bad asses aren't the ones wearing t-shirts and tattoos to advertise it.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:08:10


Post by: Vorian


 Galas wrote:
I think all FW Primarchs sculpts lack a Helmeted option. They are the ideal opportunity to give them really crazy and fancy helmets (But thats maybe my "always with an helmet" bias) ... as others, everything about the miniature is good... expect the face.

EDIT: I correct myself, that face is exceptional.



I still like helmets more, but the expresion and painting 10/10. After many controversial paintjobs, FW has show what they can do with this.

EDIT2: Damm... now I only see an old Cristiano Ronaldo:

Spoiler:


Yup, that face is great. Not sure how good it would have to be to get no criticism.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:08:37


Post by: WrentheFaceless


So where did this Meme of Dorn with a mustache start?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:12:07


Post by: Galas


To be honest I like him more with a moustache but because I love facial hair, and some as stoic as Rogal Dorn always had the kind of type of personality that I attach to a good moustache.

I believe it comes from the Bruva Alfabusa videos?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:15:31


Post by: Mandragola


I like the face. You can hear him saying "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed".

Also, it's cool that he's just got a bolt pistol and chainsword. They are even of a size that looks like he could lift them, in a radical departure from almost all other minis, ever.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 17:19:28


Post by: TalonZahn


Well it's definitely better than the alternate version sculpt they teased. (Courtesy of Radio Free FB Page)


[Thumb - DornAlternateModel.jpg]


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 18:05:23


Post by: Rosebuddy


 Galas wrote:
To be honest I like him more with a moustache but because I love facial hair, and some as stoic as Rogal Dorn always had the kind of type of personality that I attach to a good moustache.

I believe it comes from the Bruva Alfabusa videos?


A big but well-trimmed moustache does suit him, but not having a moustache is plainer and more practical so that's also a good option.


I think FW could probably get away with making alternative head sets for the primarchs, featuring one helmet and one with facial hair.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 18:10:05


Post by: Desubot


My body is ready. im super stoked. cant wait. any idea when he is going for normal release?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 18:18:06


Post by: gorgon


Nah...Dorn is the kind of dude who shaves twice a day and thrice on Sunday.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 19:04:22


Post by: DeffDred


Jack Flask wrote:
Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

Spoiler:




I have to disagree. Anything that moves away from Blanche garbage is an improvement. No need for all the ridiculous bling. Most of the time its stupid and impractical.

I think the pose is fantastic as he doesn't look like he's dancing or fighting ghosts. He looks like a battlefield commander. Much like Creed. I think its one of the best primarchs yet. Vastly superior to Russ or Angron.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 19:05:24


Post by: gnome_idea_what


DORN!

Personally I think he should look a bit more youthful, but that’s more of a paintjob problem than a modeling problem.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 19:06:43


Post by: Desubot


Eh i think russ and angrons pose works well for who they are.

Dorn is a stoic man. as much as girlyman is also a tactician rather than a beat stick so both of them in a standing pose works really well.

I wouldn't mind a bit more EAGLE but i think it looks fine.



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 21:30:07


Post by: Azreal13


Hooray! Not only are all the people that have been patiently waiting (fnar) for Dorn now get him, he even comes with a free Warlord Titan base!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/01/31 21:46:34


Post by: BrookM


The wooden grip on the bolter is a nice touch.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 06:55:14


Post by: Foxhound25


Fantastic model. As a Templars fan, this model of our gene-sire is stellar.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 07:04:52


Post by: Big Mac


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I did expect the eagle thing on his back to be bigger.

Shouldn't the dead Marines near him be Alpha Legionaries?


No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 10:36:12


Post by: Geifer


 BrookM wrote:
The wooden grip on the bolter is a nice touch.


I thought that it was Lolrus ivory from Inwit. Nice touch all the same.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 12:02:56


Post by: Crazyterran


The linked converted Dorn is clearly Guilliman still, as he still has the Ultima on the torso, lol.

I like this interpretation of Dorn - have we seen the Valdor model?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 13:05:03


Post by: Malika2


 DeffDred wrote:
Jack Flask wrote:
Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

Spoiler:




I have to disagree. Anything that moves away from Blanche garbage is an improvement. No need for all the ridiculous bling. Most of the time its stupid and impractical.

I think the pose is fantastic as he doesn't look like he's dancing or fighting ghosts. He looks like a battlefield commander. Much like Creed. I think its one of the best primarchs yet. Vastly superior to Russ or Angron.


LOL! Blanche is the creator of the whole 40k aesthetic. You want to move away from that? Then you might wanna change setting or stick to the often generic videogame looking artwork we've got in most of the codexes lately...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 13:08:23


Post by: AndrewGPaul


 Elbows wrote:
Personally, I dislike the majority of the Primarchs (either due to sculpt or pose, often both). This is one of the few I think is very well done. It's almost shocking to me that it's not wildly swinging arms in a circle leaping off the kneepad of a Titan, grimacing with weapons twice the size of his body.

In a current aesthetic zone where GW is continually disappointing me with largely comically-overstyled stuff, this is a breath of fresh air.

That being said, I understand that the overwhelming majority of GW customers/consumers/fans are not exactly "less is more" types...so I understand why some people will be disappointed. I think my general opinion comes form law enforcement/military experiences where the real bad asses aren't the ones wearing t-shirts and tattoos to advertise it.


I agree. Rogal Dorn (alongside Horus and Roboute Guilliman) is primarily a commander, not a [/I]champion[/I], so the pose suits him. I quite like some of the other fighting poses, it's all in the context. Fulgrim looks a bit goofy on his own, but pair him up with Ferrus Manus as intended and suddenly that pose makes sense. Same goes for Leman Russ and Magnus.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 13:17:39


Post by: Alpharius


 Big Mac wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I did expect the eagle thing on his back to be bigger.

Shouldn't the dead Marines near him be Alpha Legionaries?


No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!


LOLWUT?!?

And I now hate John French even more.

Didn't think that was possible!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 13:55:38


Post by: =Angel=


 Malika2 wrote:


LOL! Blanche is the creator of the whole 40k aesthetic. You want to move away from that? Then you might wanna change setting or stick to the often generic videogame looking artwork we've got in most of the codexes lately...


You need to tone down Blanche to get models that work in 3d. Blanche communicates clearly the wild energy and emotion of the setting, as though he were a madman living there.

If you want a model of this:


You'll need to tone it the flip down so that it has an internal aesthetic and balance and so that it can be reproduced by human sculptors in 28mm.

A direct reproduction of this:

would have been terrible.

The model looks far more grounded in Astartes power armour-which makes sense as Dorn is the most space marine of all primarchs (not a barbarian, not a monster, not a mage, not a cleric, not a smith, not a long haired nancy with wings, secret wings or dancers hips.)

He contrasts excellently with Guilliman, who also statically posed and modelled on Astartes armour, looks far more the statesman general than a warrior.

His sword looks like the master chainsword, his boltgun looks like the bolter-prime, being a second ed bolter with 1st-Ed and 3rd-Ed elements.

This is one of the best (if not the best) primarch models yet


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 14:20:00


Post by: gorgon


 =Angel= wrote:
The model looks far more grounded in Astartes power armour-which makes sense as Dorn is the most space marine of all primarchs (not a barbarian, not a monster, not a mage, not a cleric, not a smith, not a long haired nancy with wings, secret wings or dancers hips.)

He contrasts excellently with Guilliman, who also statically posed and modelled on Astartes armour, looks far more the statesman general than a warrior.

His sword looks like the master chainsword, his boltgun looks like the bolter-prime, being a second ed bolter with 1st-Ed and 3rd-Ed elements.


Great summary.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 15:10:26


Post by: guinness707


Love the pose but hate the gold. This is the only Dorn for me. Feth all the retconed jank.



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 15:14:28


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


 Alpharius wrote:
 Big Mac wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I did expect the eagle thing on his back to be bigger.

Shouldn't the dead Marines near him be Alpha Legionaries?


No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!


LOLWUT?!?

And I now hate John French even more.

Didn't think that was possible!


Dorn was only beaten by Curze because Curze was fully armed and armoured and Dorn was in his bath robe...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 16:05:09


Post by: Alpharius


...OK!

But that's NOT my problem with M. French...and Dorn.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 16:24:56


Post by: deadairis


So pleased with this. Dorn just keeping it down. Dang. Not at all what I expected or hoped for but I love that he's just the apotheosis of Imperial Praxis, a living statue ...

I like it


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 16:26:17


Post by: Bi'ios


Just saw Dorn, and I must say he’s fantastic, except for one thing.

Where’s the mustache?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 17:34:52


Post by: Red Corsair


His face is hilarious though, looks like a Rick and Morty character.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 17:47:31


Post by: Crimson


 guinness707 wrote:
Love the pose but hate the gold. This is the only Dorn for me. Feth all the retconed jank.


Where is this from?



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 18:40:45


Post by: Racerguy180


 Red Corsair wrote:
His face is hilarious though, looks like a Rick and Morty character.


I bet tiny Dorn gets schwifty


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 20:12:16


Post by: AndrewGPaul


 Bi'ios wrote:
Just saw Dorn, and I must say he’s fantastic, except for one thing.

Where’s the mustache?


What moustache?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/01 20:18:21


Post by: SeanDrake


 Crimson wrote:
 guinness707 wrote:
Love the pose but hate the gold. This is the only Dorn for me. Feth all the retconed jank.


Where is this from?



If memory serves it was in the Space Marine(epic1st ed) rulebook which had the original and best version of the heresy story (No fething smurfs or girlyman) again if memory serves it was a loooong time ago and beflre I discovered drink and all the good slaneshi stuff that messed with my memory.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 09:12:05


Post by: Fireball


A few more Nazgul ... and thats it for this weeks preorders it looks like ...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Forge-World-New


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 09:38:22


Post by: AndrewGPaul


SeanDrake wrote:
If memory serves it was in the Space Marine(epic1st ed) rulebook which had the original and best version of the heresy story (No fething smurfs or girlyman) again if memory serves it was a loooong time ago and beflre I discovered drink and all the good slaneshi stuff that messed with my memory.


Guilliman gets more column inches than Dorn does in that 1st edition Space Marine rulebook, although we don't get a picture of him; Dorn and Horus are the only Primarchs pictured. Plenty of Ultramarines too, although part of their appearance is a two-page spread of a couple of dozen dead ones tied to the columns of a building. Conspicuous by their absence are the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard - the latter not having been invented at that point. And the Dark Angels were green. Not quite the original version - the location of Horus and the Emperor's battle was moved to Horus command ship (rather than the command bunker on the ground as described in Slaves to Darkness).

Technically that edition of Epic was set during the Scouring - after Horus had been killed - although all of the flavour text was set prior to the siege of the Emperor's palace.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 12:30:57


Post by: Johnson101


New Forgeworld Nazgul of Dol Guldur

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/The-Nazgul-of-Dol-Guldur-2-2018



I love the Lingering Shadow.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 12:41:16


Post by: Fenris-77


Those figs are just wacky. Awful proportions. Unless they are Dwarf Ring Wraiths? Yeesh.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 13:44:04


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


Those are so, so bad. I am cringing. FW is all over the place. How can you have these follow on the tails of that incredible Dorn release?

They need to just scrap the LotR stuff and focus on their own properties.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 13:47:55


Post by: Dark Apostle 666


I'm really disappointed with how amateurish these models look - their torsos are as long as their legs!
It almost looks as if they sculpted the top half in the wrong scale, then realized that they would be too tall - then decided to give them dwarfy legs instead of starting over.

A shame, because I really liked the Nazgul from the Dol Guldur sequences.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 15:57:15


Post by: ImAGeek


Posted by a ‘40 below gaming’ on Facebook

Big Pic Here:
Spoiler:



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Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:03:02


Post by: warboss


Wow... he's... um... very fulgrimy.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:04:26


Post by: ImAGeek


Plus a shield captain:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:06:03


Post by: Thanatos73


Well that’s....something. I really need some better pictures but he doesn’t seem, right I guess is the word I’m looking for? There’s just a lot going on on the upper half of that model.


Edit: My God, why is that Shield Captain’s head so big?!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:07:54


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


What on earth is going on with that? Valdor is just bad and way, way too busy. Can't even focus on what I'm meant to be looking at.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:08:10


Post by: warboss


 ImAGeek wrote:
Plus a shield captain:


That's alot better and more of what I'd expect from a Custodes commander. The Valdor model is just way too Blanchey flamboyant for a Custodes IMO. YMMV.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:08:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The Shield Captain is clearly modelled on an original Thunderbirds marionette. Nothing else could explain why the head is so big.

As for Valdor... well they did say it'd be the most blinged out model to ever have bling.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:10:00


Post by: ImAGeek


Valdor is a good model with too much chucked on top, I think. And I really wish his head matched his art in Inferno because I really liked that.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:10:55


Post by: Fireball


Valdor is too overcrowded which was expected after we saw the first computer render ... nice there also is a new Shield Captain ... hopefully he is not event exclusive


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:14:13


Post by: warboss


 Thanatos73 wrote:

Edit: My God, why is that Shield Captain’s head so big?!


I didn't even notice that at first until you mentioned it. I've gotten so used to Primaris scaling (the only marines I've done in the past 3 years or so) that all "normal" 40k models look like Star Wars Galactic Heroes to me now. :(



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:16:31


Post by: Azreal13


Huh, I never once stopped and considered Constantin was a girls name...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:16:36


Post by: ImAGeek


 Fireball wrote:
Valdor is too overcrowded which was expected after we saw the first computer render ... nice there also is a new Shield Captain ... hopefully he is not event exclusive


I think he is the event exclusive.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Huh, I never once stopped and considered Constantin was a girls name...


It isn’t.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:18:48


Post by: Alpharius


Artemis isn't really a boy's name either though, is it?

And yes, why is that Shield Capatain's head so big?

Can we hold out hope that it's just a bad pic/bad angle/etc?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:20:43


Post by: ImAGeek


 Alpharius wrote:
Artemis isn't really a boy's name either though, is it?

And yes, why is that Shield Capatain's head so big?

Can we hold out hope that it's just a bad pic/bad angle/etc?


Artemis is definitely a female name, going by It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

I looked Constantin up after Azraels comment and it’s apparently a Romanian and French masculine given name, which can also be a surname.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:23:31


Post by: Alpharius


I think Azreal13's point may be that Constantin isn't looking particularly masculine, maybe?

Not sure...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:25:27


Post by: warboss


 Alpharius wrote:

Can we hold out hope that it's just a bad pic/bad angle/etc?


I don't think that's how light/photography works unless the pic is taken through a fish eye lens or door peep hole. Maybe Fulgr... I mean Blanchey Valdor and Big Head Mode Shield Captain along with Intro to 3D Modelling 101 Space Wolf Praetor are the new normal?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:25:43


Post by: ImAGeek


 Alpharius wrote:
I think Azreal13's point may be that Constantin isn't looking particularly masculine, maybe?

Not sure...


Oh, possibly. He does have a bit of a point, if so! Sometimes these things go right over my head.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:27:15


Post by: Azreal13


 Alpharius wrote:
I think Azreal13's point may be that Constantin isn't looking particularly masculine, maybe?

Not sure...


Honestly, a wit like mine is wasted on you lot!

That's what I meant, yes.

,


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:28:02


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It's the Guardian Spear blades that are ruining it for me.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:28:41


Post by: Azreal13


Although, TBF, androgynous is probably more accurate than feminine, but either way, not the visage I'd expect from one of the hardest blokes in the galaxy.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:29:52


Post by: Cephalobeard


I want Valdor very badly. Someone get it and gak it to me.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:30:20


Post by: warboss


 Alpharius wrote:
I think Azreal13's point may be that Constantin isn't looking particularly masculine, maybe?

Not sure...


I'm glad you pointed that out. I already had the wikipedia page for the Roman Emperor copied to link into a response. Yes, beyond the flamboyant pose with way too many Blanche style embellishements, his head because of the paint job looks like a cross between Schwarzeneggar's Mr. Freeze and Culture Club era Boy George.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Although, TBF, androgynous is probably more accurate than feminine, but either way, not the visage I'd expect from one of the hardest blokes in the galaxy.


Wait... is that another joke? I've cranked up my inneundar to max gain after the last post.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:31:48


Post by: Formosa


 ImAGeek wrote:
Posted by a ‘40 below gaming’ on Facebook

Big Pic Here:
Spoiler:



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Is that supposed to be valdor?

If it is then it's bloody awful


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:33:46


Post by: Yodhrin


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It's the Guardian Spear blades that are ruining it for me.


Huh. The weapons are the only bit of those that jumped out at me as being appealing.

I'll reserve judgement on Valdor though, FW have put out a lot of character models of late that looked like arse in event pics but turned out real nice once I saw decent images of models painted by people other than their retainered guy(who's not bad, per se, just not to my taste).

EDIT: Like, why on earth would you choose a reddish-brown tone for the stonework on the big OTT base for a model that's mostly gold shaded down to a reddish-brown and a dark red cape? It makes him blend in at the edges especially at the top of the model, and then you have *just* the furry-feathery-wotsit bit in a blue-grey so it stands out far too much and cuts the model's silhouette in half. I take it back, it is bad.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:37:24


Post by: zedmeister


Not, er, sure of Valdor...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:43:07


Post by: An Actual Englishman


Valdor looks like he's overcompensating with that spear and the Shield Captain looks like a bobble head lol.

Valdor isn't too bad I suppose, it's all personal preference. I hope the pic of the Captain is edited or something though because that looks like a joke.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:45:34


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Alpharius wrote:
I think Azreal13's point may be that Constantin isn't looking particularly masculine, maybe?
I have to admit the first name that popped into my head when I looked at the mini was "Lady Lafayette". Don't ask me why...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:46:05


Post by: Not-not-kenny


Yeah, not being able to see his silhouette properly is really making him kinda hard to look at, definitely not helped by the painting decisions pointed out by Yodhrin.

Also, really not seeing what so androgynous about him


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:47:28


Post by: Thanatos73


Battlebunnies also showed that there are Guardian Spear upgrade packs, Space Wolf upgrade packs and...House Vyronii transfers for sale!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:48:04


Post by: Asmodai


 Thanatos73 wrote:

Edit: My God, why is that Shield Captain’s head so big?!


The spear/glaive is short and stubby too. I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be another Squat model.

Brave move by GW to include Squat Custodes in the game.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:49:41


Post by: TalonZahn


Dammit, now that you guys said something about Constantin being a girls name, I can't unsee the female looking head on the mini.

Cabeza Grande the Shield Captain.... that has to be an issue with the photo.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:53:10


Post by: ImAGeek


Wait. Wait wait wait. Are these the ones?



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:54:26


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Yay! Special spears for the Custodes. Been waiting a while for those.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:54:47


Post by: Mothman


I actually quite like valdor, the claw and trophy shoulder I need a better pic of to judge.

He reminds me of yoshitaka amano art


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:55:33


Post by: zedmeister


Vyronii transfers available? Looks like another clock broke!

Somebody page Em_En_Oh_Pee!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 16:55:52


Post by: OneManNoodles


Maybe it's the paint style and the photograph of a photograph, but Valdor but It's what I'd expect of a great triumphalist painting rather than a miniature. It's more like one of those ostentatious paintings of Napoleon I, designed to feed his ego.
Which is actually what I'd expect from the Custodies, they are supposed to have all sorts of symbolism and hints to their past deeds on the armour are they not?

Yea I like it, not as much as I like Dorn.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:09:54


Post by: BrookM


Ooh, they finally did them decals? Did they get rid of the previous artist and get a new one or something?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:10:43


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yay! Special spears for the Custodes. Been waiting a while for those.


Where where where where where x infinity!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:11:53


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


Personally I think the Valdor mini is amazing. Could be my first HH character model.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:12:04


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yay! Special spears for the Custodes. Been waiting a while for those.


Where where where where where x infinity!





Borrowed from the Battle Bunnies Blog


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:13:05


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Saucy! And indeed, Dakkalicious!


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Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:17:27


Post by: Crimson


 Mothman wrote:
I actually quite like valdor, the claw and trophy shoulder I need a better pic of to judge.

Same. It is actually interesting looking model, and not just another identical looking dude in golden armour. The claw and bullhead just look a tad too big, but otherwise it looks pretty excellent.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:22:08


Post by: CragHack


Oh good, I was running out of what to buy from FW...I wonder if Valdor will have a helmeted head as well, since most other 'well know' marine chars do come with that option. Or I'd just put Eidolon's head it for extra pimp


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:22:50


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


I'll be getting Valdor, but I need to see more angles before I decide how badly I need Valdor.

After Dorn (who is perfection) I'm just left kinda meh about Valdor so far.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:22:59


Post by: Crimson


 Azreal13 wrote:
Although, TBF, androgynous is probably more accurate than feminine, but either way, not the visage I'd expect from one of the hardest blokes in the galaxy.

I like that he is just not another frowning grizzled macho dude.



Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:30:44


Post by: ImAGeek


 Crimson wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
Although, TBF, androgynous is probably more accurate than feminine, but either way, not the visage I'd expect from one of the hardest blokes in the galaxy.

I like that he is just not another frowning grizzled macho dude.



I really liked that about the art, but I don’t like the models head.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:31:47


Post by: gorgon


I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:36:38


Post by: BrookM


I'll wait for a better picture of Valdor before weighing myself.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:44:19


Post by: Galas


Theres only one miniature of Valdor and it is this dude:
Spoiler:


For me, the problem with the Shield Captain is not that the head is so big. The ears are the problem! He looks like dumbo!

And those special spears will have rules for 40k? Or are only HH?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:46:14


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


HH only, for the minute.

The Heresy Era stuff will be getting 40k rules, but how much of it we don't know.

We may know tomorrow though?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:46:33


Post by: VictorVonTzeentch


 Galas wrote:

And those special spears will have rules for 40k? Or are only HH?


HH only


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:47:34


Post by: ImAGeek


 Galas wrote:
Theres only one miniature of Valdor and it is this dude:
Spoiler:


For me, the problem with the Shield Captain is not that the head is so big. The ears are the problem! He looks like dumbo!

And those special spears will have rules for 40k? Or are only HH?


They’re tubes, or the bottom part of the “ears’ are at least.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:51:46


Post by: em_en_oh_pee


 ImAGeek wrote:
Wait. Wait wait wait. Are these the ones?



IS THIS REAL!??!?? SOMEONE BUY ME TWO THREE PLEASE. RIGHT MEOW!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:54:38


Post by: Galas


 ImAGeek wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Theres only one miniature of Valdor and it is this dude:
Spoiler:


For me, the problem with the Shield Captain is not that the head is so big. The ears are the problem! He looks like dumbo!

And those special spears will have rules for 40k? Or are only HH?


They’re tubes, or the bottom part of the “ears’ are at least.


Yeah, I know. But even with that, he has giant ears. I know, people is different, and theres no reason a Custodes wouldn't have giant ears, some humans have them, but it looks so...


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:55:47


Post by: warboss


BrookM wrote:I'll wait for a better picture of Valdor before weighing myself.


You're beautiful BrookM no matter what the scale says! Don't let Forgeworld's svelt models fat shame you.

gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.


It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 17:55:56


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Wait. Wait wait wait. Are these the ones?



IS THIS REAL!??!?? SOMEONE BUY ME TWO THREE PLEASE. RIGHT MEOW!


See my sig, join the group, trust to luck!

I honestly don't know if anyone in said group is attending, but worth a shot?


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 18:01:21


Post by: Galas


 warboss wrote:
BrookM wrote:I'll wait for a better picture of Valdor before weighing myself.


You're beautiful BrookM no matter what the scale says! Don't let Forgeworld's svelt models fat shame you.

gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.


It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).


Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
Spoiler:

Spoiler:


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 18:01:44


Post by: Cephalobeard


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Wait. Wait wait wait. Are these the ones?



IS THIS REAL!??!?? SOMEONE BUY ME TWO THREE PLEASE. RIGHT MEOW!


See my sig, join the group, trust to luck!

I honestly don't know if anyone in said group is attending, but worth a shot?



Oh, don't worry. Already joined, and have joined the tens of Americans begging for a Valdor.


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 18:05:02


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Hopefully the Café will alleviate the need for trans-atlantic transactions on some exclusives!


Forgeworld 2018 News & Rumors : Bloodbowl, Cawdor and LotR Pg 101 @ 2018/02/02 18:05:30


Post by: Crimson


 Galas wrote:

Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Both of those look uper generic. As someone pointed out, you can pretty much assemble guy looking like that from the Custodes plastic kit.