Baron Klatz wrote:
Bet your missing those "$1.00 per model for these guys while this one costs me $20?!" days now.

I wonder what did cause this price rise though.

Hoping they do something to justify it in the near future. Hate to see an amazing release like this get hurt by a price bump.

I heard a rumour that actually the pink horros would go to 20 per box. Then again the source where I got it is not as reliable as the statement of the blue horrors having 10 brimstones (though they DO cite that box's contents and nail them) so huge salt.

If they've repackaged the 10 Pinks to include 10 Brimstones... which doesn't make much sense when you think about but whatever we'll run with it... then that would be fine for an increase in price.

A, what is it, US$6 increase for a doubling of models? I doubt it, unless it's to make up for the scummy way they reduced Guardsmen to 10 and Avengers to 5.

If it was 10 pinks & 10 blues, with the other box being 10 blues & 10 Brimstones, that would work rather well considering Brimstones are (arguably) the least important of the three.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why only the foolish buy locally.

Is it really cheaper to import than buy locally ? That really is poor show!

I ask genuinely as have no idea what the prices are in Australia.

Marxist artist wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why only the foolish buy locally.

Is it really cheaper to import than buy locally ? That really is poor show!

I ask genuinely as have no idea what the prices are in Australia.

Twice as much as your average GW price. I think it's mainly because (aside from the transport distance) there was some act in Australia that enforced procedures to check there were no pests/dangerous beasties and that gak bloated the cost.

A box of 5 pinks, 10 brimstones, then a box of ten blues and ten brimstones.

That way to buy two of each box to make a squad! :p

Lord Kragan wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why only the foolish buy locally.

Is it really cheaper to import than buy locally ? That really is poor show!

I ask genuinely as have no idea what the prices are in Australia.

Twice as much as your average GW price. I think it's mainly because (aside from the transport distance) there was some act in Australia that enforced procedures to check there were no pests/dangerous beasties and that gak bloated the cost.

That's a crappy deal!

Joyboozer wrote:
Also my apologies to Mymearan, it wasn't my intention to mock you, just the situation, I do that often without realising.

No worries at all (although very much appreciated), as you pointed out I'm certainly not innocent of that myself. Polite discussion is great but sometimes we get carried away. I can certainly understand your frustration, especially seeing your flag icon.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why only the foolish buy locally.

Teach me your sneaky purchase-fu!

Marxist artist wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which is why only the foolish buy locally.

Is it really cheaper to import than buy locally ? That really is poor show!

I ask genuinely as have no idea what the prices are in Australia.

It's generally cheaper to import figs from UK to Finland than buy local and we don't screwed so badly on exchange rate. Albeit helped that not many shops offer discount here.

Compare AOS start box. 100€ from GW direct, 75€ or so(based on current exchange ratio) from store I use for miniature purchaces.

Don't have UK->australia rate but working from euro ratios it says it SHOULD be about 144$. GW site says 234...Holy smokey. Okay if they can't find free shipping(like Finns benefit from most stores in UK) it adds up but hard to believe it can be that expensive compared to japan->finland shipping.

New Stormcast cavalry. An all gryph army looks like a possibility. ( from Noct on the French warhammer forum) The gold armour is not a good choice for these guys but the mounts look cool.

they might be good for some tzeentch marked knights

Love those. Just like the vanguard, these look way more dynamic than current stormcast.

Oh, those are rather nice. Definitely better interpretation of the concept than Empire Demigryphs. They will probably look pretty good with a less terrible colour scheme. Dracoths remain as my favourite Stormcast cavalry though.

Wow, those mounts look sweet.

terry wrote:
they might be good for some tzeentch marked knights

Or Exodites...

streetsamurai wrote:
They are free to do so, but I'm free to criticize them for it. Which is something you seems to have a lot of trouble accepting. Accepting to pay to watch informercials will only encourage GW to use the kind or pratices (micro-transaction). It's sad how kids nowadays have lost every notions of consumer activism

So glad I am not alone in this feeling. Maybe it's a Canadian thing or what not. Having to pay for advertising is just so wrong. No matter how you spin it. When you give a link to your webstore it's advertising no matter how much you say they are "hobby tips".

Mymearan wrote:Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year. Even on price alone they have released a ton of boxes with savings of up to 50% and it doesn't look like they're stopping that anytime soon.

That is the problem. GW is only giving you savings if you want what is in the start collecting boxes. If you don't want them or just want some things but not wanting to pay $100 just to get what you want, is not the right way to go. Again, savings are only savings if you want the product. If you are buying something that you don't want, are they really savings?

Baron Klatz wrote:@Thebiggesthat,

Everyone's got a right to speak their mind, though. (Complaining is some peoples hobby too. )

Oh so true. I believe the real part of The Hobby is complaining about it.

Baron Klatz wrote:That thought crossed my mind as well. Some people were saying the SC sets would've bitten into their overall profits so maybe this might be a way to balance it out?


Edit: Just had a thought, do you think these models will also come with the new Warhammer quest? Two sources of Tzeentch deals might have encouraged the bump.

I don't understand this. If something is cutting into your profits, you don't do it then. Thing is, how would this really be cutting into profits? I mean if it wasn't for the start collecting kits, would there really be profits? So either they are trying to make the Start Collecting sets more enticing or this is just GW logic that boggles the mind and they are reverting to old practices again.

 Crazyterran wrote:
A box of 5 pinks, 10 brimstones, then a box of ten blues and ten brimstones.

That way to buy two of each box to make a squad! :p

'Cept Brimstones are two to a base, so one base replaces one Blue. You would need 10 bases to replace 10 Blue Horrors, not 20.

judicators sold out oO

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Stormcast-Eternals-Judicators

or replaced?


source: warhammer forum

Not sold out in the US store. Pretty sure those are an all new heavy artillery kinda shooty sigmarine. I'll have to grab a box of em, and those gryphon riders look great too. Never did get the drakoth riders though, meant to, but too many other projects going on :( Definitely want to get me a box of the gryphhounds. Still kinda bummed that the hound in the silver tower box was so much smaller than the one that came with the sigmarine lantern guy. Feels like they don't match. I guess the other one is just a baby.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

 Necros wrote:
Not sold out in the US store.

maybe repack

sold oud in EU store (UK, France, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Finland, Italy, Denmark, Deustchhland, Belgique, Poland, Norway)

Like the riders not the crossbow looks like they are holding a ballista , which I don't like. Each to their own though.

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I'm really liking the mount of this. I don't know if it's the sculpt or the paintjob, but something about the beasts face just screams "son, you done up" love it

Mhmm. That's a cracking model.

I prefer that mount so much more than the Dracoths. I'm not a massive fan of the Stormcasts but they have the odd thing that's really nice (as that thing is!)

It's a really cool model, but would make more sense as a mount for a Tzeentch hero.

That mount is craking. That will be extremely popular for conversions, mark my words.

Brraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!

The mighty gryph-chargers are known for their fearsome warcries, uttered in the closing moments of their charge.

"BA-KAW!"

Were literally getting drowned in sigmarines once again. As much ad the scouts were gakky, I Must say that all the cavs are gorgeous models. Especially the big white one (probably a hero). Just need to replace the ridiculous riders with something better (ie not a sce. How cool would have been an EMpire Noble riding this???). The crossbowman are pretty good too. At least much better than the current one. Real solid release from the big GW

Lord Kragan wrote:
The mighty gryph-chargers are known for their fearsome warcries, uttered in the closing moments of their charge.

"BA-KAW!"

More like "WARK!" amirite?

Digging the big rider

Oh well, so much for saving my tax return...

 streetsamurai wrote:
Were literally getting drowned in sigmarines once again. As much ad the scouts were gakky, I Must say that all the cavs are gorgeous models. Especially the big white one (probably a here). Just need to replace the rider with something better (ie not a sce. How cool would have been an EMpire Noble riding this???). The crossbowman are pretty good too. At least much better than the current one. Real solid release from the big GW

Seconded, I really hope those legs aren't moulded onto the mounts, or if they are, that they can be shaved off with relative ease.

In all honesty, I can't decide if the griffon creature is hilarious or inspired. My opinion changes every time I look at it. The sigmarine on top, however, definitely needs about 50% less bling.

Agreed. I will admit I'm a little biased as I dont find anything about the Sigmarines enjoyable, but I feel that mount would have looked cooler with Aelves or Deamons

Chopxsticks wrote:
Agreed. I will admit I'm a little biased as I dont find anything about the Sigmarines enjoyable, but I feel that mount would have looked cooler with Aelves or Deamons

GW really is making a mistake by shoving the SCE so much down people throat. They seems to be one of the biggest drawback to AOS succes, as a lot of people hate them, and let others indifferent at best.

Was a classical mistake of market (or producl) push. They should have release numerous little factions at the beginning, and let the customers decide which one they liked the most (which would have subsequetly turned into the face of the setting)

Must admit that Cavalry model is fantastic and seriously making me look at getting Stormcast.

So much conversion potential in this model- so very much. I really disliked the chubster Imperial Griffion from the dying days of WFB - this is much better (for me anyway)

 streetsamurai wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Agreed. I will admit I'm a little biased as I dont find anything about the Sigmarines enjoyable, but I feel that mount would have looked cooler with Aelves or Deamons

GW really is making a mistake by shoving the SCE so much down people throat. They seems to be one of the biggest drawback to AOS succes, as a lot of people hate them, and let others indifferent at best.

Was a classical mistake of market push. They should have release numerous little factions at the beginning, and let the customers decide which one they liked the most (which would have subsequetly turned into the face of the setting)

It's more like these sculpts are a response to the initial sets or where slated even before the creation of AoS rather than them wanting to shove the stormcasts. Between concept creation and appearance in stores, all GW stuff takes between a year and a half and two years.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
Must admit that Cavalry model is fantastic and seriously making me look at getting Stormcast.

You want more plastic crack, you know you do.

I'm a destruction player but this last releases make me consider branching off to order instead of chaos.

And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

That's just, like, your opinion man. Even with this release, Stormcast is still probably not the largest range considering how large the lines are for Seraphon, Daemons (wasn't hearing complaints about new Tzeentch models btw), and if you round up the existing Aelf minor factions together (which you should).

No, this is just bringing the posterboys up to a respectable range size imo.

Chikout wrote:
New Stormcast cavalry. An all gryph army looks like a possibility. ( from Noct on the French warhammer forum) The gold armour is not a good choice for these guys but the mounts look cool.

That ogroid thermatururururururu is giving the larry david curb your enthusiam look to the camrea right now.

Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

So anecdotal evidence, then.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

That's pretty opposite of what GW has said and what most FLGSs say as well.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

So anecdotal evidence, then.

Yes and no. Ebay is a huge market place. So the fact that they weren't selling even if they were priced way below market price is a rather good indication that something is not popular. And I'm not the only one who have trouble moving SCE. As you say, it's not a cold hard fact, but there seems to be a lot more enthousiasm for factions like Sylvaneth and Orruks, than they were for SCE


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Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

That's pretty opposite of what GW has said and what most FLGSs say as well.

Yeah, like GW said Dread Fleet was a success

I'd like to see the quotes of FLGS saying SCE sell well. I really do. But I won't hold my breath waiting for them.

GW is basing this on something though, right?

At its simplest form it is "Space Marines Sell".

Of course, it is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy if that's all you feature and push, but, still, it seems to be the case.

HH sells!

FW pushes HH hard, notes few sales of anything else, rinse and repeat.

So on and so on?

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

So anecdotal evidence, then.

Yes and no. Ebay is a huge market place. So the fact that they weren't selling even if they were priced way below market price is a rather good indication that something is not popular. And I'm not the only one who have trouble moving SCE. As you say, it's not a cold hard fact, but there seems to be a lot more enthousiasm for factions like Sylvaneth and Orruks, than they were for SCE


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Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

That's pretty opposite of what GW has said and what most FLGSs say as well.

Yeah, like GW said Dread Fleet was a success

I'd like to see the quotes of FLGS saying SCE sell well. I really do. But I won't hold my breath waiting for them.

Or that they just weren't interested on what may or may not be a totally unknown vendor, do you have an established record on ebay? In my experience there, people really prefer people with flying colours. And in addition, you really lack the sample size for making the statement, plus there's plenty of stormcasts being sold on ebay so yes your argument is anecdotal experience because plenty more people are doing what apparently you couldn't.

Yes. That's no great revelation that some manage to sell SCE on Ebay. I would also have done so if I I had persevered and listed them numerous times. But considering that I never had so much trouble selling other factions, I feel comfortable to say that SCE are not very popular. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but as long as GW doesn't release their sales by range, that's all we have (even Space marines selling well is an aanecdotal evidence, since we have no hard fact to base this on).

But let me ask you a question. Do you think AOS would have been better of if these critters were riden by another race (aelf or a completely new one), or do you think that releasing another wave of SCE was a good idea?

I think large home boy is gonna sell regardless as people are gonna want that mount! He is on my wish list

So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course it's only my opinion, but it's pretty obvious that SCE are not good sellers. I've put some on Ebay and Kijiji at a ridiculously low price, and never even got a hit.

So anecdotal evidence, then.

Yes and no. Ebay is a huge market place. So the fact that they weren't selling even if they were priced way below market price is a rather good indication that something is not popular. And I'm not the only one who have trouble moving SCE. As you say, it's not a cold hard fact, but there seems to be a lot more enthousiasm for factions like Sylvaneth and Orruks, than they were for SCE

eBay is a huge marketplace, and Stormcast were a fairly sizeable release. It's like the Space Marine Tactical Squads from Dark Vengeance though, in that you're looking at a VERY specific loadout/product with very little conversion potential. Even selling them at $5-$10 a pop is difficult unless someone is desperate for them without the other half of the starter set.

Anecdotally speaking, I saw several people buying a set at the same time as someone else and then the people would just trade the half they didn't want then and there.

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

I guess riding dragons wasn't good enough?

Coulda left the riding of birds to the human faction... Ya know continuing with that whole thing they HAD going on..

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

How do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said. Pretty much the only reliable rumour monger who made a comment about the sales of AOS

And butthurt How old are you? 13?

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
I guess riding dragons wasn't good enough?

Coulda left the riding of birds to the human faction... Ya know continuing with that whole thing they HAD going on..

Personally I was hugely dispaointed by the Stormcast Dragons - the smaller ones seemed to have tiny heads in proportion to their bodies and the big ones just looked chunky and without style. but only IMO.

This looks ace - can imagine loads of different ways to use - both in fantasy and 30k/ 40k

So we finally have armoured models riding chocobo?
Wondered when this would happen lol.


Also, am I the only one thinking that the small mounts look like the old forgeworld kroot gnarloc riders?

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

à



HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

This is like space marines: sales data are on the tables. I've run a couple tournaments already and in my experience stormcast outnumbered ANY other faction in presence. Stormcast also feature heavily in the tournament reports I've read and seen. Same as space marines, it's no longer anecdotical once you consider that everyone and their dog has an army or that they almost saturate tournaments, by sheer number of armies.

Also I find it cute you keep repeating a statement he said eight months ago ( AOS not doing well) and said that was no longer the case in november (he didn't say anything on doing well or anything else, he just said it was no longer the case).

Out of curiosity what did you sell, Streetsamurai? Those "Easy to build" kits would've made the basic stuff hard to move unless you included the rest of the weapon options.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Were literally getting drowned in sigmarines once again. As much ad the scouts were gakky, I Must say that all the cavs are gorgeous models. Especially the big white one (probably a hero). Just need to replace the ridiculous riders with something better (ie not a sce. How cool would have been an EMpire Noble riding this???). The crossbowman are pretty good too. At least much better than the current one. Real solid release from the big GW

Conversions exist for that.

https://pp.vk.me/c636422/v636422894/5d7/bsYYTok4doY.jpg

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

à



HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

Hastings? oooooooh well with that kind of gospel how could you possibly be in doubt. Look, gw is not a complicated company. The battleforce boxes were whatever the top 4 selling lines in each game system were at the time they were bundles. That's why they did space wolves over space marines. The stormcast paladins and judicators have been on the best sellers list forever and plenty of people buy them just for the really strong rules. Do I have concrete sales evidence beyond this? No, but neither do you and my anecdotal evidence comes from GW's policy, your anecdotal evidence comes from a guy who's been radio silent for a year(I.E. BEFORE the general's handbook when EVERYTHING was selling like horses***). You're made that your faction isn't as good as mine and that's fine, have fun with that.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

à



HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

This is like space marines: sales data are on the tables. I've run a couple tournaments already and in my experience stormcast outnumbered ANY other faction in presence. Stormcast also feature heavily in the tournament reports I've read and seen. Same as space marines, it's no longer anecdotical once you consider that everyone and their dog has an army or that they almost saturate tournaments, by sheer number of armies.

Also I find it cute you keep repeating a statement he said eight months ago ( AOS not doing well) and said that was no longer the case in november (he didn't say anything on doing well or anything else, he just said it was no longer the case).

Hey you're the one who started using Hasting cause you misinterpreted his comment Now that you found out he was claiming the opposite of what you said, you prefer to sweep him under the rug.

As for the tournament reports, where are they? I'm not trolling. I'd gladly admit I'm wrong if you can give me such data (that is, armies by tournament)


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So what you guys are saying is I need to start trolling eBay for underpriced Stormcasts.

Fair enough.

Searching begins in 3,2,1...

You'll find better deal on Kijiji


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ERJAK wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
And that's exactly what I'm saying. They should have planned a lot of small factions at the begining, and let the market decide which one was liked and deserved support. Instead of putting all their eggs in the same (crappy) basket.

Except the stormcast are selling really well, not sylvaneth well but definitely very popular and a lot of people really enjoy them and think that they look really cool and built a 5k army really fast and think that it's extremely rude to dismiss the entire line of models because they and some butthurt fantasy players like to waste time hating.

à



HOw do you know?

You have acces to GW sales data?

Cause that's not what Hasting said

Hastings? oooooooh well with that kind of gospel how could you possibly be in doubt. Look, gw is not a complicated company. The battleforce boxes were whatever the top 4 selling lines in each game system were at the time they were bundles. That's why they did space wolves over space marines. The stormcast paladins and judicators have been on the best sellers list forever and plenty of people buy them just for the really strong rules. Do I have concrete sales evidence beyond this? No, but neither do you and my anecdotal evidence comes from GW's policy, your anecdotal evidence comes from a guy who's been radio silent for a year(I.E. BEFORE the general's handbook when EVERYTHING was selling like horses***). You're made that your faction isn't as good as mine and that's fine, have fun with that.

Yeah. That's what I tought. a lot of BS spewed by an agry teen


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Baron Klatz wrote:
Out of curiosity what did you sell, Streetsamurai? Those "Easy to build" kits would've made the basic stuff hard to move unless you included the rest of the weapon options.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Were literally getting drowned in sigmarines once again. As much ad the scouts were gakky, I Must say that all the cavs are gorgeous models. Especially the big white one (probably a hero). Just need to replace the ridiculous riders with something better (ie not a sce. How cool would have been an EMpire Noble riding this???). The crossbowman are pretty good too. At least much better than the current one. Real solid release from the big GW

Conversions exist for that.

https://pp.vk.me/c636422/v636422894/5d7/bsYYTok4doY.jpg

That's an insanely good conversion

Most popular faction in my hometown. Anecdotally as accurate as you have put.

They have a huge amount of different builds, until moonclan grots and thundertusk became the new meta they were ever present.

To be honest, stormcast players dominate the local area.
I'd say around 30 or so AoS players and around half are stormcast.

The other half are a mix of sylvaneth, orruks, chaos dwarves and a few daemon players.

And sales wise, the local GW will be sold out of any new stormcast set for the first month or so of its release.




So in my area, they are selling stupidly well.

Pariah-Miniatures90078 9165051 null wrote:I guess riding dragons wasn't good enough?

Coulda left the riding of birds to the human faction... Ya know continuing with that whole thing they HAD going on..

Their army needed light cavalry like every human army needs.

This is like space marines: sales data are on the tables. I've run a couple tournaments already and in my experience stormcast outnumbered ANY other faction in presence. Stormcast also feature heavily in the tournament reports I've read and seen. Same as space marines, it's no longer anecdotical once you consider that everyone and their dog has an army or that they almost saturate tournaments, by sheer number of armies.

Very true, there's also the high rate of Stormcast players that get into the hobby on Reddit. Even on the main Reddit Warhammer page(40k, AoS, Wfb) they pop up more than any other fantasy model.

I also remember the favorite faction poll I made back before the AoS threads were created, Stormcasts took the top-spot. (I voted for Bretonnia)

SOme tournamens/eventst data I've found

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/a_call_to_arms.pdf
(1 in 12 is a SCE army)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/masters_2016_lists.pdf
(2 in 16 are SCE)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Alliance_Lists_2016.pdf

(5 in 35 are SCE)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpheqemndvhwrrj/call_to_war_2016.pdf?dl=0

(7 in 35 have some SCE. But a lot of them are mixed)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3hq8csaia3w8um/leeds_last_stand.pdf?dl=0

(1 in 10 is a SCE)


http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/scgt16-army-lists-v1.0.pdf

(18 in 130 are SCE. Might have made a mistake though, since there is a lot of entries)

http://baddice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WarpathArmylists.pdf

(6 in 37 are SCE)


Honestly, considering that they were in the starter sets, and that they've gotten so much attention release wise, I'd say that the number are fair to bad. Total being 40/275 so less than 15%. Not too impressive considering the amount of love they get.

SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

That's an insanely good conversion  

Yeah it is!

Wish I could get the owner to make me a army like that.

I'm hoping somebody will do the same to the large crossbow Vanguard. How's that for a imperial volley?

Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. In fact, numerous small sample added together is a batter inidcator than using imply one big event, cause you're adding more variance (for example, if the big event is made in an area where SCE are more popular than on the average, it will skewed the result) Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

There are roughly 60 factions.
To have a single one make up 15% of tournament entries is proof of sales, especially considering they are a new faction

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

Yet there's a handful of issues in that method: are there any repeats? Because if so they must be purged and taken out of account, something I don't really want to do and honestly is a task that brings in no real gain.

Yeah I too thinks it's too conservative, but then again, I'm not going to do an exhaustive fact check on wether the statistic is 100% fool proof or not. Then again it said "main". My main army have been always eldar but I have a DA detachement. But same can go here. Are these the ONLY armies they have? Did they buy them with AoS or are they part of the previous system? I recall a few names in these lists and those are old fantasy veterans, so you can easily chalk off those veterans with old armies, they had them already.

Still, 15% of the armies' while you're one out of 40+ factions is a pretty darn good percentage.

ButI think at this point, and seeing as the mods haven't come in (even though I called them since almost post one of this mess) I'll do this:

STAY ON TOPIC

Sales of stormcasts are NOT news rumors, unless we get a report of GW saying: OMGAWD DA GOLDIEBOYZ BEAT DA BLUEBERRIE ONES!!1one!!. We can argue and bitch about the model quality, but the sales and percentage of tournament armies that belong to Sigmar's powerfantasies are NOT part of the news. We've derailed this thread long enough.

Saying there is 60 factions is very dishonest. Some of them are simply not playable on their own (for example shadow blades). And SCE themselves are split between 2 (soon to be 3), but I've considered them as only one faction. And I would say that considering the amount of push they got, 15% is not too impressive. They nearly got as much kit release as the rest of the factions put together since the start of AOS, and they were in the starter set. 15% is decent but seems a bit subpar considering this. And you have to consider that factions that haven't got a BT yet won't attract a lot of customers.


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Lord Kragan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
SCGT, out of 150 had 23 all-stormcast armies, 30 once you account for armies that had models of that faction.


Aaand again, we are derailing this thread to kingdom come.

All those tournaments, barring SCGT are too small to represent valid samples (I mean, SCGT is still too small to be something valid at a poblational level, but it's still closer).
With 23 pure stormcast armies you get 15% of playable armies. By contrast, space marines represent 21% of played "main" armies.

If you add them together, it makes for a decent sample size. Where did you get the 21% for Space marines? Seems far too low.

Yet there's a handful of issues in that method: are there any repeats? Because if so they must be purged and taken out of account, something I don't really want to do and honestly is a task that brings in no real gain.

Yeah I too thinks it's too conservative, but then again, I'm not going to do an exhaustive fact check on wether the statistic is 100% fool proof or not. Then again it said "main". My main army have been always eldar but I have a DA detachement. But same can go here. Are these the ONLY armies they have? Did they buy them with AoS or are they part of the previous system? I recall a few names in these lists and those are old fantasy veterans, so you can easily chalk off those veterans with old armies, they had them already.

Still, 15% of the armies' while you're one out of 40+ factions is a pretty darn good percentage.

Because I think at this point, and seeing as the mods haven't come in (even though I called them since almost post one of this mess)

If it's bother so much that the thread goes off topic, WTF do you continue to add to the discussion? You"re like a pyromaniac that feel the needs to always call the fireman after his deed. You're one of the main reason why numerous threads goes OT (me being another one :lol, and you always cry afterward. YOu're not a mod, so you don't get to decide what's OT and what's not

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw. This whole sleek appearance is just so..WRONG :\

At the end of the day, they must be selling well enough for stuff to still be being put out for them.

Samurai, unlike others I know when the limits have been over-stepped... usually ten or twelve... or twenty steps after crossing it myself. BUT NONETHELESS!

 CragHack wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw.

Nah, they do have their charm. Though I may be biased since I'm a person VERY fond of baroque aesthethics.

I'm wondering. They've said they'd release rules for the specific stormhosts. Do you think they'll release rules to represen their special characters? Like, still use the generic model but, for a fee, make him special. Like, dunno, Tarsus or Hamilcar. I can easily imagine the latter being a CQC-berserker-esque leader.

Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

In about two and a half hours on the New Zealand site, approximately 4 EST.

 ImAGeek wrote:
At the end of the day, they must be selling well enough for stuff to still be being put out for them.

Doesn't mean anything, since the delay for production is about a year and a half to 2 years, maybe longer. So these guy were probably under production even before AOS was released.

Stormcasts sell out consistently faster than anything else at work.Every third player i see is running Stormcasts.

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

If I'm not too mistaken, they'll be up at 11:00 AM (on their timezone, sooo about 11:00PM if you live in greenwich' controlled land).

 CragHack wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...It's like, if WHF was Diablo/Diablo 2, so Sigmar is like Diablo 3, all colorful and bloomy.

IMO they look a lot like hypogryphs rather than proper gryphons.

Griffins would've looked way cooler. Some badass ones, like Franz's Deathclaw. This whole sleek appearance is just so..WRONG :\

Disagreed. That hyppogriff is an incredibly good looking model. It doesn't mesh too well with the SCE aesthetics, but it's an incredible model nontheless.

Yup. Have seen the griffons up-close. THey are good, but this motherfraggers look even better. Might as well start a vanguard chamber if I can play with alleigances.

There are actually 70+ factions - I ignored those in my initial count, becuase of the fact that they can't stand alone.
Stormcasts are actually a small faction, with 5-6 actual non-hero products ( as in liberator box, paladin box, etc)
To have a small faction make up more than a tenth is good numbers.
Don't forget that a lot of people in these tourneys are likely using old 8th edition armies, and thus need to be pulled from any comparison about sales.
Stormcasts are definetly popular just based on how much you see them.
Start drawing comparisons to Slaves of darkness, the daemons, Sylvaneth and skaven perhaps?

@Lord Kragon,

Yeah, these are definitely on my list.

My army is Bretonnian, Stormcast and Wanderers, so with just a little conversion these guys will look like a fusion of the three.

Space marines riding chicken dinosaurs. With one failed swoop they stripped chaos naked mounted a tzeench chicken and gave the storm bolters........ At some point this has to be called abuse.

Also final fantasy must be pissed they stole their chicken mounts.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

If I'm not too mistaken, they'll be up at 11:00 AM (on their timezone, sooo about 11:00PM if you live in greenwich' controlled land).

Hmm. I'm in the Central US. It is 12:42pm at the time I am posting this. I'll have to Google the difference.
I seem to remember Ghaz posted the pre-orders for the Disciples of Tzeentch around this time last week.

Edit: Just checked, looks like about 3+ more hours to go. I am dying to know the contents of all the boxes

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Neronoxx wrote:
There are actually 70+ factions - I ignored those in my initial count, becuase of the fact that they can't stand alone.
Stormcasts are actually a small faction, with 5-6 actual non-hero products ( as in liberator box, paladin box, etc)
To have a small faction make up more than a tenth is good numbers.
Don't forget that a lot of people in these tourneys are likely using old 8th edition armies, and thus need to be pulled from any comparison about sales.
Stormcasts are definetly popular just based on how much you see them.
Start drawing comparisons to Slaves of darkness, the daemons, Sylvaneth and skaven perhaps?

A lot of the legacy armies are unatractive for a tournament player since they don't have a battle tome.

Joke post:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Joke post:

Spoiler:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Space marines riding chicken dinosaurs. With one failed swoop they stripped chaos naked mounted a tzeench chicken and gave the storm bolters........ At some point this has to be called abuse.

Also final fantasy must be pissed they stole their chicken mounts.

Haha, at least they didn't steal these.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJugrJsYKl4.

We need a few overweight choc- er I mean gryph chargers for bringing in heavy weapons such as catapults.

 Galef wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

If I'm not too mistaken, they'll be up at 11:00 AM (on their timezone, sooo about 11:00PM if you live in greenwich' controlled land).

Hmm. I'm in the Central US. It is 12:42pm at the time I am posting this. I'll have to Google the difference.
I seem to remember Ghaz posted the pre-orders for the Disciples of Tzeentch around this time last week.

Edit: Just checked, looks like about 3+ more hours to go. I am dying to know the contents of all the boxes

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 Ghaz wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Are the Tzeentch Daemon pre-orders supposed to be up soon?
Is it New Zealand that gets them first?

In about two and a half hours on the New Zealand site, approximately 4 EST.

As of right now, it's about an hour and forty-five minutes.

Thanx Ghaz, you're the best.

That big griff is quite something. I might have to find an elf and some wings to stick on it.

(I blanked out the SCE...)

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:I guess riding dragons wasn't good enough?

Coulda left the riding of birds to the human faction... Ya know continuing with that whole thing they HAD going on..

I would love it if they had a human faction riding actual birds - chocobos, horseclaws, phorusrachids, dromornithids, etc...

Jackal wrote:Also, am I the only one thinking that the small mounts look like the old forgeworld kroot gnarloc riders?

Might have to put some kroot merc daydreams forward.

CragHack wrote:Wowzers, those got to be THE ugliest models, since the Gryph Hound.
Where's the GRIMNESS? Where's the DARKNESS? Just some lel chickens...

OgreChubbs wrote:Space marines riding chicken dinosaurs. With one failed swoop they stripped chaos naked mounted a tzeench chicken and gave the storm bolters........ At some point this has to be called abuse.

Also final fantasy must be pissed they stole their chicken mounts.

There's always someone who gets a whiff of feathers or a beak and all they can think is 'chicken', as if their only reference to the natural world is the KFC bargain bucket four times a week. (As in, you must never have seen a proper chicken even, let alone any other bird) Y'all need to watch more David Attenborough.

And it's 'fell' swoop.

Those crossbow Stormcast raise more questions about the sold out Judicators. The different heads, larger crossbow and birdie for the prime could all be part of an new sprue packed with the existing kit(plus the oval bases). But why bother with new legs? Did GW feel they had to fill the sprue?

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I am buying these and painting them up like tigers! (no mounts though) These are perfect for my Tiger Claw space marine concept! Add bolters and viola!

That's not even freakin funny I got like a mad phobia of birds...... We never had a good....... Relationship.

Attacked by a few gini hens a crow and a pidgin. Also there was this freaking quail nest outside my house a couple years ago.... My god those fees can run...... And bite they don't peck like a punch they stab and bite. Also there is like 20 eagles flying around in the summer who are not afraid to kill love stock. Devil creatures from the sky I tells ya

Birds also ALWAYS go for your face and they flap like demons from hell its self. But these birds lack a certain raptor look and more of a cluck cluck look.

The worse thing I ever seen in my life was a emu...... omg..... If I ever go to hell he will be there waiting for me.

krazynadechukr wrote:
Add bolters and viola!

You probably mean 'voilà', unless you're planning to equip your marines with string instruments.

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I'm really liking the mount of this. I don't know if it's the sculpt or the paintjob, but something about the beasts face just screams "son, you done up" love it

It doesn't have that STUPID grin like all the other creatures do.

 Manchu wrote:
Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

This thread is for discussing new AoS releases; not for discussing AoS or GW generally.

..or any other random thing that might pop into a person's head?

Thanks!

Preorders are up. No change in the number of models in any of the kits

An Exalted Flamer, all by itself, is the same cost the whole Burning Chariot?

Huh?!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
An Exalted Flamer, all by itself, is the same cost the whole Burning Chariot?

Huh?!

Just a real bad example of showing all the possible builds of a kit. Buy the Tzeentch chariot for the flamer and throw the rest away

 Ghaz wrote:
No change in the number of models in any of the kits

Super sad. I thought at the very least we'd see Flamers & Screamers go to 6 per box.
Yet another missed opportunity GW

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
An Exalted Flamer, all by itself, is the same cost the whole Burning Chariot?

Huh?!

Read the product description. It is not a separate kit.

With this kit you also receive the parts necessary to assemble a Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot, accompanied by 3 Blue Horrors, supplied with a Citadel 120x92mm Oval base, 3 Citadel 25mm Round bases for the Horrors, and a Citadel 32mm Round base giving you the option to model the Herald of Tzeentch on foot. There are 49 components in total to this kit.

Pink horrors cost the same as blue horrors, so 25 euros. Weren't they worth that before?

Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

You've gotta go to New Zealand... that or move your continent to reach their timezone.

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

US doesn't go on preorder until tomorrow. We're looking at the New Zealand preorders.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Pink horrors cost the same as blue horrors, so 25 euros. Weren't they worth that before?

Yes. All they did was remove the 25mm bases and put in 32mm ones. I should note that that is an increase in dollars. They were $29.75, now they are $35
It is bad enough that GW is creating a scale creep, but they are making us pay for it too.
So much for re-box deals.

The chariot got new bases as well. The description says there is a 32mm for the Herald and three 25mm bases for the Blue horrors, plus a small oval for the E-Flamer

 Ghaz wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
An Exalted Flamer, all by itself, is the same cost the whole Burning Chariot?

Huh?!

Read the product description. It is not a separate kit.

With this kit you also receive the parts necessary to assemble a Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot, accompanied by 3 Blue Horrors, supplied with a Citadel 120x92mm Oval base, 3 Citadel 25mm Round bases for the Horrors, and a Citadel 32mm Round base giving you the option to model the Herald of Tzeentch on foot. There are 49 components in total to this kit.

Well, that's just bad planning. The picture should reflect the description.

 Galef wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Pink horrors cost the same as blue horrors, so 25 euros. Weren't they worth that before?

Yes. All they did was remove the 25mm bases and put in 32mm ones

The chariot got new bases as well. The description says there is a 32mm for the Herald and three 25mm bases for the Blue horrors, plus a small oval for the E-Flamer

Sooo they only changed the price of the screamers and pink horrors and only for certain areas... weird.

Disappointed the Pinks, Screamers, and Flamers weren't increased in number. The LoC/Kairos and Changeling models look pretty sweet, though. Always love getting to see those 360 views.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Pink horrors cost the same as blue horrors, so 25 euros. Weren't they worth that before?

Yes. All they did was remove the 25mm bases and put in 32mm ones

The chariot got new bases as well. The description says there is a 32mm for the Herald and three 25mm bases for the Blue horrors, plus a small oval for the E-Flamer

Sooo they only changed the price of the screamers and pink horrors and only for certain areas... weird.

No. The prices for NZ went up on all of the existing plastics. Here's the old prices:

Burning Chariot of Tzeentch - $64.00 NZ
Screamers of Tzeentch - $52.00 NZ
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - $57.00 NZ
Flamers of Tzeentch - $41.00 NZ
The Changeling - $33.00 NZ

Through the power of price brackets I can determine that flamers are now $40AUD for 3, rather than ~$34AUD. (I don't know enough off hand to convert the others and am currently to lazy to check).

Also for a second there I got a bit worried. I couldn't see the Screamers in the thumbnail (or whatever the correct term it) for the SC! box. Clicking on it to see a larger images shows them though, as does the description. They just blend into the ice cliffs in the small image .

 Ghaz wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Pink horrors cost the same as blue horrors, so 25 euros. Weren't they worth that before?

Yes. All they did was remove the 25mm bases and put in 32mm ones

The chariot got new bases as well. The description says there is a 32mm for the Herald and three 25mm bases for the Blue horrors, plus a small oval for the E-Flamer

Sooo they only changed the price of the screamers and pink horrors and only for certain areas... weird.

No. The prices for NZ went up on all of the existing plastics. Here's the old prices:

Burning Chariot of Tzeentch - $64.00 NZ
Screamers of Tzeentch - $52.00 NZ
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch - $57.00 NZ
Flamers of Tzeentch - $41.00 NZ
The Changeling - $33.00 NZ

I stand corrected. Meh, looks they gone and done it. *shrugs* sucks I guess.

Though the changeling is a dead give-away that it would get more expensive.

Chickens... Chickens everywhere.

Two-headed, sword weilding chickens
Dog chickens
Chickens on a tenticle disc
Chickens you can ride

WTF is going on with AoS?

I, for one, plan on only getting 2 Blue Horror boxes.
I already have 5 from the Chariot kit. I will be painting some of them Pink (because I refuse to participate in scale creep and the new Blues are still bigger than the old metal Pinks).

I also plan to stretch out the Brims by cutting a few pairs apart and putting them on bases of their own (with some extra flames, of course)
When I am done, I'll have this:

9 Pinks, (1 with an Icon using the chariot Herald's staff)
16 Blues
24+ Brimstones (at least 20 yellow pairs & singles, 2 pink singles and 4 blue singles)

The pink and blue single Brims will act as unit fillers for my Pink and Blue units, since my lists all require 11 Pinks or 22 Blues

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 oni wrote:
Chickens... Chickens everywhere.

Two-headed, sword weilding chickens
Dog chickens
Chickens on a tenticle disc
Chickens you can ride

WTF is going on with AoS?

One may say that the setting has... chickened out.

But in all seriousness, tzaangors for tzeentch and gryph-hounds, and gryph-chargers. I find them awesome.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

You've gotta go to New Zealand... that or move your continent to reach their timezone.

Ghaz wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

US doesn't go on preorder until tomorrow. We're looking at the New Zealand preorders.

Ha! - That's what I get for having my flag set correctly for...ordering!

Thanks guys!

 Alpharius wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

You've gotta go to New Zealand... that or move your continent to reach their timezone.

Ghaz wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

US doesn't go on preorder until tomorrow. We're looking at the New Zealand preorders.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Anyone have a link?

The Pre-Order USA section is showing...zero items for me?

You've gotta go to New Zealand... that or move your continent to reach their timezone.

Ha! - That's what I get for having my flag set correctly for...ordering!

Thanks guys!

Preorders go up at 10am in each region, so you can see everything a bit early by changing it to the NZ site

Huh, I'd swear it was at 11:00AM, when did they change it?

It also looks like the LoC is indeed on a 100mm base. I was kinda hoping it was gonna be that big so that I could use the extra bits to update my current LoC/FW/Daemon Prince conversion.
But if it truly is that big, using the extra heads/arms/whatever will make it look cartoonish and silly. Not 'just as planned'

 ImAGeek wrote:
[Preorders go up at 10am in each region, so you can see everything a bit early by changing it to the NZ site

That would explain why I have to wait till 1pm in Ontario. We have to wait for the west coast to be 10am.


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Lord Kragan wrote:
Huh, I'd swear it was at 11:00AM, when did they change it?

I guess you have to wait for 10am UK time. So you are what 1 hour behind them?

Unit size for screamers and flamers look the same. Rather interesting choice to list the Exalted Flamer by himself for the full price of the chariot, but then when you read his description it says "also includes bits to make...." Quick glance and your like WTF, oh, silly GW

Lord Kragan wrote:

 oni wrote:
Chickens... Chickens everywhere.

Two-headed, sword weilding chickens
Dog chickens
Chickens on a tenticle disc
Chickens you can ride

WTF is going on with AoS?

One may say that the setting has... chickened out.

But in all seriousness, tzaangors for tzeentch and gryph-hounds, and gryph-chargers. I find them awesome.

The fowl forces of chaos are at work no doubt.

We need a few overweight choc- er I mean gryph chargers for bringing in heavy weapons such as catapults.

If we're doing oversized birds then I hope for the storm drake from Dark Souls 3. It even comes with it's own Stormcast already.

http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Dark-Souls-3/the_nameless_king_trophy.PNG

Chopxsticks wrote:
Unit size for screamers and flamers look the same. Rather interesting choice to list the Exalted Flamer by himself for the full price of the chariot, but then when you read his description it says "also includes bits to make...." Quick glance and your like WTF, oh, silly GW

They have to make it clear so when little Timmy says he wants an 'Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch', mummy and daddy know what to order

I see it, the celestant prime is getting a new mount. Expect an ultra-giga-baroque deisgn!

In other news I'm kind of interested in making disciples of tzeentch. Unless Battletome SE 2nd ed has rules to make Hamilcar bear eater I'm making them.

Could they be changing prices to fit certain brackets? I'm still curious as to why the price increases as they seem somewhat arbitrary.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Could they be changing prices to fit certain brackets? I'm still curious as to why the price increases as they seem somewhat arbitrary.

Gotta say yes, specially because it didn't really follow the trend made even in this release window (I mean, look at skyfires and acolytes versus their equivalents from other armies)

Then again I wasn't planning on buying many daemons aside from the start collecing's and a box of screamers. I prefer tzaangors and what the net has now called the "Roidrage Traumaturge".

25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

Lord Kragan wrote:
what the net has now called the "Roidrage Traumaturge".

Oh hey, that caught on? Neat.

Was a joke about how much focus this Tzeentch range has on burly buff models, and in particular all the Thaumaturge's abilities focusing around rage and smashing things.

Plus, just look at that art piece where it's standing atop a mountain of corpses tearing out a Stormcast's heart with it's bare hand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

Yeah... how about we talk about the price decreases in this tzaanuary? Kayric acolytes being cheaper than the khorne ones, skyfires being cheaper than the bloodcrushers (and those are the equivalents) on a model per model basis. Yeah, they just kept upping up prices.

Not saying that this is justifiable but you guys seem deadset in that this will be the norm instead of some bizarre/erratic exception. Still sets clearly that they aren't saints and they need a lot of work to reform. But I'm still going to hold up my judgement on stormcast's new releases. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...

Lord Kragan wrote:
Yeah... how about we talk about the price decreases in this tzaanuary?

You cannot decrease a price on something that's never been released before. Kairic Acolytes didn't get a price decrease they just got a price. Yes, it's nice that they're cheaper than their Khorne equivalents, but don't try to spin that into a decrease.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Not saying that this is justifiable but you guys seem deadset in that this will be the norm instead of some bizarre/erratic exception. Still sets clearly that they aren't saints and they need a lot of work to reform. But I'm still going to hold up my judgement on stormcast's new releases. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...

I've been doing this for a long time. I have seen nothing, not recently and not in the past 20 years to persuade me that GW have changed. They just put their prices up again on old models, so so far I'm still right.

That LOC brought a tear to my eye. GOd damn is it good looking

It's a gorgeous model. Even more impressed with it now that we've seen the full kit.

I love all the models for this new Stormcast release. Really intrigued by the direction of the Gryph mounts. The character one is especially impressive.

Some more info care of the warhammer forum and Google translate.
The new battletome will be €32.50 for 167 pages. (old one was €46 for 152 pages)
Gryph-hounds are €20 for 6, vanguard are €50 for 10.
The liberators, judicators and prosecutors are getting reboxed with twice as many minis in each box. No info on price (old liberators were €40 for 5.)
The aetherwings are birds that come in units of 6.
There are lots of movement related special rules but Google translate kind of breaks down. Maybe someone with better French than me can take a look.
It seems that a lot of the units are in the battle report but will be featured in the March white dwarf.

H.B.M.C. wrote:25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

It's not really the price I think it's what $6 or so increase, but it's the principle. I am shocked to read it's a 25% increase. I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. ) but a 25% increase is GW going back to their old ways, no matter how many Start Collecting boxes they release.

Oh well. Stay positive Davor, stay positive. So is getting the Start Collecting bundle is the way to go to start a Tzeench army correct? Or should I get the other minis like Acolytes instead?

The mounts look lovely, shame there are stormcast on them !


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More anecdotal evidence, my local supplier / store sells all his stormcast, almost every week without fail.

I put some on ebay too and they went quick.

I see them everywhere, and GW pushes them to the max, i have a feeling that they could well be big sellers.

Davor wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:25% increase on Flamers and Screamers for... what?

Thanks Obam... uhh... GW. You sure are 'getting better'. All the social media stuff (behind a paywall) makes up for years of price rises and this new one.

It's not really the price I think it's what $6 or so increase, but it's the principle. I am shocked to read it's a 25% increase. I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. ) but a 25% increase is GW going back to their old ways, no matter how many Start Collecting boxes they release.

Oh well. Stay positive Davor, stay positive. So is getting the Start Collecting bundle is the way to go to start a Tzeench army correct? Or should I get the other minis like Acolytes instead?

If you ask my opinion two start collecting would work wonders (they just happen to be 1500-ish points, not bad at al. Add in a unit of kayric accolites or maybe a unit you may need to complete a batallion and you have a fairly decent army of daemons/disciples (perfectly usable for 40k too, I'd say).


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Chikout wrote:
Some more info care of the warhammer forum and Google translate.
The new battletome will be €32.50 for 167 pages. (old one was €46 for 152 pages)
Gryph-hounds are €20 for 6, vanguard are €50 for 10.
The liberators, judicators and prosecutors are getting reboxed with twice as many minis in each box. No info on price (old liberators were €40 for 5.)
The aetherwings are birds that come in units of 6.
There are lots of movement related special rules but Google translate kind of breaks down. Maybe someone with better French than me can take a look.
It seems that a lot of the units are in the battle report but will be featured in the March white dwarf.

If you hand us the link we may take a look on it.

Davor wrote:
I have to agree with H.B.M.C. (what does that stand for by the way? Miss the rotating IG dude. )

It stands for 'half-brother of Marneus Calgar'.

It sucks that they increased the prices but I'm not going to let ruin my perception of what is overall a great release. Or in other words, the price increases are far outweighed by the number of good decisions/releases GW has made recently.

Well my mind is blown.

Someone pointed it out on Facebook that on the chinese calendar this is the year of the rooster.

Great job, GW! Many a avian army is going to be swarming the tabletop this year.

Everyone I know calls roosters cocks, it might also be the year for Slaanesh!

Haha, I remember finding that out on a British children's show that my niece was watching. Thank goodness she never picked up the word.

Next years animals are dog, pig and rat.

So maybe Nurgle(sick as a dog), Slaanesh (common pervert insult) and Horned rat?

French site also says we're getting warscroll cards too


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http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/247839-battletome-stormcast-eternals-v2/&

Someone french translate the long post about the new models/rules by giaja

Chikout wrote:
New Stormcast cavalry. An all gryph army looks like a possibility. ( from Noct on the French warhammer forum) The gold armour is not a good choice for these guys but the mounts look cool.

.

Could make some decent conversion fodder for kings of war.

I like the new gryph chargers (what are the actual creatures called?). To my mind an aelf or someone Tzeentchian should be riding those, Stormcast have their draconic thing going, which suit their burly plus gold armour aesthetic. All the gryph- creatures seem to be from Azyr though.

Good release though (not sure why more Stormcast though). There is no good reason that my (or anyone not designing's) bias from my own preference and the particular combination of fantasy I am familiar with and like should dictate what the new setting and inhanitants should be like.

UK:
Bloodthirster - £70
Lord of Change - £70

OZ:
Bloodthirster - $170 (£102, or 145% the cost, but ignore that for now).
Lord of Change - $190 (£114, or 162% the cost)

Why is the Lord of Change price in Oz different to the Bloodthirster price?

Kiwiland is no better here. Can't see the US prices yet.

Because - as always - feth us.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
UK:
Bloodthirster - £70
Lord of Change - £70

OZ:
Bloodthirster - $170 (£102, or 145% the cost, but ignore that for now).
Lord of Change - $190 (£114, or 162% the cost)

Why is the Lord of Change price in Oz different to the Bloodthirster price?

Kiwiland is no better here. Can't see the US prices yet.

Sorry, my fault, my standard of living slightly improved between those two releases, so GW had to charge more. It also means they'll have to rebox the bloodthirster so they can raise its price.

Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

To all australians: you're supposed to be a penal colony. Quite winning and keep mining in order to pay your debts to the glorious crown and for the sake of the metropoli, ya criminilas*



*Just in case: it's a joke.

Chikout wrote:
Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

*something something* minimum wage *something something* exchange rates.

But the Twitch channel Chikout! The Twitch Channel! Like Tzeentch, GW has changes sooooooooooooo much!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

*something something* minimum wage *something something* exchange rates.

But the Twitch channel Chikout! The Twitch Channel! Like Tzeentch, GW has changes sooooooooooooo much!

Hey, look at the bright side, at least you have changed your lines and dropped the tms. That for me is a great change.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

*something something* minimum wage *something something* exchange rates.

But the Twitch channel Chikout! The Twitch Channel! Like Tzeentch, GW has changes sooooooooooooo much!

Hey, look at the bright side, at least you have changed your lines and dropped the tms. That for me is a great change.

Grayt™ Chaynge™


... sorry I couldn't resist

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

*something something* minimum wage *something something* exchange rates.

But the Twitch channel Chikout! The Twitch Channel! Like Tzeentch, GW has changes sooooooooooooo much!

Hey, look at the bright side, at least you have changed your lines and dropped the tms. That for me is a great change.

Grayt™ Chaynge™


... sorry I couldn't resist

In all honesty I think I should better stop since we are starting to derail this. Nevertheless, I see clearly why they got the birds instead of regular humans: stormcasts also have a bird motive.

They are magpies. Expect them to appear with massive mechs they stole from the ironweld and name storm-wrath lightning-reavers of tempest-might.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Can Japan join the club? Bloodthirster 14000 yen, Lord of change 16100 yen (£112)

*something something* minimum wage *something something* exchange rates.

But the Twitch channel Chikout! The Twitch Channel! Like Tzeentch, GW has changes sooooooooooooo much!

I actually quite like the twitch channel and I do think GW is getting better, but I will be right there to call them out on their b***s*** when they take a step back.
One positive thing. The disciples of Tzeentch battletome physical version and Ebook is the the same price in the uk, but in Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, the Ebook is 2/3 of the price of the physical version.

Connect with someone in the UK, and have them pick you one up?

Should save money wherever you are, as despite postage preventing a legitimate bargain, it should still be cheaper than buying at home?

For instance, when I'm at work, Darksphere is close enough for me to nip up to after work, provided I don't need to be home in a hurry. Lord of Change in-store? £56.

Postage to Japan? According to Royal Mail's price finder, and assuming it's no more than 500g once packaged up....

Don't attach non wargaming images to Dakka.
Reds8n


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If I had it delivered to home (so all I'd need do is re-address the package), then the Lord of Change would be £52.50 plus £3.80 postage for a 48 hour service.

Provided you've got time to spare, that's quite a saving you could make.


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Ah, piccy deleted (sorry Reds8n!)

Postage to Japan could be as little as £14.85 if you don't mind a wait.

So essentially you can buy a model here from an independent retailer, pack it up and ship to Japan.
They still get it cheaper than we pay in the UK from GW lol.


But all in all I still think the bird riders are a mix of a kroot gnarloc and an ugly old chocobo.
Nice models though.
Just not keen on big bird.

 Jackal wrote:
So essentially you can buy a model here from an independent retailer, pack it up and ship to Japan.
They still get it cheaper than we pay in the UK from GW lol.


But all in all I still think the bird riders are a mix of a kroot gnarloc and an ugly old chocobo.
Nice models though.
Just not keen on big bird.

In theory - there a bit of necessary guesswork on the postage. But yeah, they should be able to make a saving via connections.

Though if my figures are right, it'd actually work out the same price (Darksphere store price plus £14.85 postage).

A member of Warhammer Forum site has posted information on new Stormcasts model featured in February WD.
It was posted by Giaja, and is written in French,
(See http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/247839-battletome-stormcast-eternals-v2/&page=1)

Below, I posted the info in English. However since I used the translator, some expressions might be awkward.
There are also french terms which seem to be referring to "inches", such as "ps".
Also, EFF seems to be a French term for Lightning Strike.
This is pure conjecture however.

"Hop, I have the WD under the eyes, then some info:
- It is indeed the Auxiliary Room opened by Sigmar to counter the threat of Tzeentch. This is sneakier than brute force Khorne, he uses these rangers, "known for their cunning and their sense of initiative." These are generally trackers, capable hunters to flush out the followers of Tzeentch where they are hiding.
- In addition to the Vanguard-Hunters walk, there are the vanguard-Palladors mounted Gryph-chargers that can be equipped ax or long spears like javelins, and vanguard-raptors (rafters that can either be long crossbow we've seen, called Longstrike, a huge crossbow repeatedly called Hurricane apparently able to swing 27 shots in a phase three figs)
- The ability of cdt of Aquilor Lord allows him to redeploy a vanguard unit (any I guess) on a table edge.
- The aeterwings are new birds (various star-eagle that accompanies the knight-venator) and are apparently able to "detect hostile tricks and magic." They will be sold by 6, but hard to really know their role in the battle report.
- The blue orb that holds a vanguard-hunters and the Lord aquilor is an astral compass that allows the fluff to the auxiliary track down their prey and game to the unit which has an s' install on the table edge of his choice.
- The Vanguard-palladors also have a reliability called "riding the ethereal winds" that allows them to move 36ps! To see what the constraints are, it can be used once per game.

- The SE have the trait of battle "son of the storm" that keeps some or all of his units in reserve and make the EFF on the 3+ anywhere in 9PS enemy. (This is still a bit ridicules summoning spells ... I think the players will not appreciate Death)
- BT 5 pages Artefacts power, new prayers, etc ..."

Hey look, it's the "it's more expensive in Aus and NZ!!!" Posts, so refreshing, haven't seen them for a while!

I think LoC is one of the 2-3 best massive models released GW released for a while, a definite step up from a sigmarine dragon or Bloodthirster... Not a jumping pose, yet pretty dinamic. The price is a little steep for me, if it was 10 pounds cheaper might have been a great "put on a shelf" mini for me.

I can't decide which changeling I prefer.. I liked, that the old one didn't resemble a human as much, but the bit connecting to the base looked kind of bland, making look very grounded, thus not as powerful and small (even more, than he already is).

The release would seem even more complete to me, if it had a troll sized tzeench beastie.. but I guess tzeench got new gryph cavalry, that has a sigmarines on top of it for some reason
Those mounts will make great proxies for bloodcrushers/varan Knights/any suitable sized fast chaos thing

Although what makes me more excited, is that we are left only with Slaanesh for a Make over! I only fear, that they will PG it to the ground and only leave "pink and purple" as it's thing.

What about poor nurgle?
They still have the lump of metal for a greater daemon and the beasts are just plain ugly, not to mention single pose sculpt.

I'm still using a FW GuO and descendants of decay for beasts.

 Jackal wrote:
What about poor nurgle?
They still have the lump of metal for a greater daemon and the beasts are just plain ugly, not to mention single pose sculpt.

I'm still using a FW GuO and descendants of decay for beasts.

They got blightkings, glottkin and something else, that I can't remember not thaaaat long ago
But I'd be up for nurgle as well! That's why I will probably buy a new warhammer quest..

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
They got blightkings, glottkin and something else..

The three Maggoth riders.

OK great, none of those are nurgle daemons though.
They haven't had the same updates and khorne or tzeentch.

Nurgle daemons are still the same old clunky models.


Both slaanesh and nurgle need the new daemon treatment.




Although, beating the FW GuO will take serious work.

Eh, Glottkin is basically GUO.

 Crimson wrote:
Eh, Glottkin is basically GUO.

IIRC there were rumors that the youngest sibling (read: hideous monstruosity they ride) was indeed intended as such.

 Jackal wrote:
What about poor nurgle?
They still have the lump of metal for a greater daemon and the beasts are just plain ugly, not to mention single pose sculpt.

I'm still using a FW GuO and descendants of decay for beasts.

Poor Nurgle? Did you miss that Nurgle dominated one of the End Times books, or that there are rules in the new Blood Bowl for a Nurgle but not even a generic Chaos team? Over the years, Nurgle has received way more love than Tzeentch, so this is just the Changer of Ways playing catch up.

Now, if you wanna make the 'poor Slaanesh' case, go ahead, but at least that has an in-story explanation.

duplicate

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
What about poor nurgle?
They still have the lump of metal for a greater daemon and the beasts are just plain ugly, not to mention single pose sculpt.

I'm still using a FW GuO and descendants of decay for beasts.

Poor Nurgle? Did you miss that Nurgle dominated one of the End Times books, or that there are rules in the new Blood Bowl for a Nurgle but not even a generic Chaos team? Over the years, Nurgle has received way more love than Tzeentch, so this is just the Changer of Ways playing catch up.

Now, if you wanna make the 'poor Slaanesh' case, go ahead, but at least that has an in-story explanation.

And it will have a glorious resurgence! Mark my words, I'm so sure of it, I'd bet one of Shinros' arms!

Duplicate.

Thread issue?

 Jackal wrote:
Duplicate.

Thread issue?

Highly likely, after all this has gone up for 171 pages, and the longer a thread goes the more issues there are when processing messages. I do remember a 1000-long thread that had "ghost" posts. Whenever you changed pages, the first comment couldn't be seen unless people made a secon one.

Still, gonna say that the beasties will have 4 wounds and a 3+ save, most likely moving 10-12 inches.

Lord Kragan wrote:If you ask my opinion two start collecting would work wonders (they just happen to be 1500-ish points, not bad at al. Add in a unit of kayric accolites or maybe a unit you may need to complete a batallion and you have a fairly decent army of daemons/disciples (perfectly usable for 40k too, I'd say).

Thank you, I will consider this and see how much funds I have to see if it's feasible or not. Greatly appreciated.

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
vanguard-raptors (rafters that can either be long crossbow we've seen, called Longstrike, a huge crossbow repeatedly called Hurricane apparently able to swing 27 shots in a phase three figs).

So if I'm reading this right the new larger crossbow equipped SC are not a new option for Judicators. They are a new 3 man unit with two ranged options?

Kragan - I think in keeping with nurgle they will be fairly slow.
Currently they work well, but the model is just stupid.
£18 for a lump of miscast resin that looks that bad the micasting adds to its quality.

My recommendation to anyone is buy the descendants of decay set for £18 for 3 on eBay.





But nurgle daemons haven't had a proper release atall.
Nurgle in general has, but not the daemons.

Both khorne and tzeentch got a huge boost to all factions of theirs for each God.

Nurgle daemons got what, a small plastic update ages ago.
They need an overhaul like the other 2.




Slaanesh is in a worse state.
Their range looks terrible (IMO)
The friends are now 1 sculpt and stupidly priced.
The keeper just looks fugly, plain and simple.
the daemonettes compared to the diaz ones, well, they just don't compare.





My only saving grace for slaanesh was the limited time diaz sculpts.
Got enough now to last me a lifetime haha.

 Jackal wrote:


My only saving grace for slaanesh was the limited time diaz sculpts.
Got enough now to last me a lifetime haha.

I envy you. I only have 20 :( And no diazanettes on seekers too! D: (everyone cares, I know)

Judging by the amount of kits and quality of this (Tzeench) release the next daemon one should be Ace.

Did you guys notice some improvement in the painting department as well? Most AoS stuff lookes like it had a very simple, straight forward paintjob. (making the miniatures even look worse in some cases)

The gryph mount of the Stormcast general seems like a big step up.

I made the most of it lol.
Had a nice bonus come in from work so ended up with 250 nettes and 100 seekers.
Will never need them all but means I can convert without worry.


And I agree in terms of painting.
The quality has gone up a lot recently.
I think it's more in terms of a smart use of colour palette than anything.
But it's still a lot higher quality than it used to be.

I once mentioned the contents for a SC! DoT kit, and I'm glad my guessings where correct.

Now, I'm wondering if there will be a SC! Tzeentch Arcanites; 10 Acolytes, 5 Tzaangos and 3 Disc Tzaangors already worths £50, then they could add a Tzaangor Shaman, but if that's the case, the SC! would be too, TOO damn good, since it seems you want some few Shamans to buff your Tzaangors anyway, so... an Ogroid Thaumaturge? anyway.

I like the Stormcasts, I liked the Lord-Achilor quite a lot, but I didn't liked this mount quite a lot, it needs far more feathers Imo, and those horns? lol nope, but I can see they have hooves instead paws on the back limbs. And the paint job here does NOT help, it looks far more like a plucked chick/cub griffon than an adult individual.

Is this a big demyhippogryph, or should I name it "gryraffe"?

But those gryph-chargers look sweet, and the ballista marksmen too, that raptor bird is lovely and their ballistas are using a support pole, which adds a cool and a thin realism layer, although... yeah, the poles could've been even better, but still the weapons themselves look awesome.

Still, I'd like something for Death or Destruction, but if they are going to update the original battletomes, that's also good, it would be more problematic if they keep on releasing new battletomes while letting the pre-Sylvaneth ones getting older and older.

Next battletome could be "Khornate Warriors", including daemons, Khorne Bloodbounds and Slaves to Darkness units.

P.S.:

OgreChubbs wrote:

Spoiler:

That's not even freakin funny I got like a mad phobia of birds...... We never had a good....... Relationship.

Attacked by a few gini hens a crow and a pidgin. Also there was this freaking quail nest outside my house a couple years ago.... My god those fees can run...... And bite they don't peck like a punch they stab and bite. Also there is like 20 eagles flying around in the summer who are not afraid to kill love stock. Devil creatures from the sky I tells ya

Birds also ALWAYS go for your face and they flap like demons from hell its self. But these birds lack a certain raptor look and more of a cluck cluck look.

The worse thing I ever seen in my life was a emu...... omg..... If I ever go to hell he will be there waiting for me.

*Clears his throat*:

 Jackal wrote:
Both khorne and tzeentch got a huge boost to all factions of theirs for each God.

Nurgle daemons got what, a small plastic update ages ago.
They need an overhaul like the other 2.

Overhaul? Small update? The Plague Bearers, Nurglings, Rot Flies and Herald are all newer than the Khorne and Slaaneshi plastic Daemon releases. They're not getting nor do they need an overhaul. Nurgle are just missing a plastic Greater Daemon, Palanquin and Beast of Nurgle.

Khorne has to get plastic Flesh Hounds and an on-foot plastic Herald, but otherwise is fine.

 Jackal wrote:
Slaanesh is in a worse state.

That's a matter of opinion. They have three metal minis that need replacing - the Keeper, Herald, and Fiends - but otherwise their range is completely plastic. You may think that the Daemonettes and Seekers are inferior to the Diaz ones (I know I do), but that doesn't mean that they need an overhaul. They have a mostly plastic range.

 Crimson wrote:
Eh, Glottkin is basically GUO.

Glottkin was intended to be GUO but they changed it to what we have now.

Is there an option to not have a rider in the Glottkin kit ?

 Rayvon wrote:
Is there an option to not have a rider in the Glottkin kit ?

Yes, you can not place them and make it a count-as GUO. But then again you'd miss on fielding to of the most awesome characters ever made by GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Nurgle are just missing a plastic Greater Daemon, Palanquin and Beast of Nurgle.

.

And, nurgle knights, chaos warriors, marauders, pestigors and a battletome.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Is there an option to not have a rider in the Glottkin kit ?

Yes, you can not place them and make it a count-as GUO. But then again you'd miss on fielding to of the most awesome characters ever made by GW.

Cheers, I dont play AoS, I just wondered if I needed to greenstuff or anything to use him as a GUO.

Slaanesh is in deep need of a makeover because it has less options and more importantly because it isn't attractive as an army preference. Mono-Slaanesh simply gets bent on the table without relying on StD's.

 NAVARRO wrote:
And, nurgle knights, chaos warriors, marauders, pestigors and a battletome.

I was talking more 40K, but in that list the other four Chaos Gods don't have Knights or Chaos Warriors either.

And up until that comment, the complaint was about the Nurgle daemon range. Which none of those are

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 Rayvon wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Is there an option to not have a rider in the Glottkin kit ?

Yes, you can not place them and make it a count-as GUO. But then again you'd miss on fielding to of the most awesome characters ever made by GW.

Cheers, I dont play AoS, I just wondered if I needed to greenstuff or anything to use him as a GUO.

Theres a few ''holes'' where the riders feets are supposed to go. YOu could fill them with GS or put nurglings on them (what I'll do).

 Rayvon wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Is there an option to not have a rider in the Glottkin kit ?

Yes, you can not place them and make it a count-as GUO. But then again you'd miss on fielding to of the most awesome characters ever made by GW.

Cheers, I dont play AoS, I just wondered if I needed to greenstuff or anything to use him as a GUO.

The area between his shoulders does look empty and like something should be there when the smaller brothers are left off, though. The slope, size and horn placement is deliberatly drawing attention to it. It also has a mini-ritual site of sorts, so either place a few Nurglings doing occult stuff/throwing a party there or be ready some conversion work.

I'm in the early stages of turning mine into a GuO as well and I'll probably leave the whole section off and sculpt him regular shoulders. As a plus that leaves that whole stage-like section to be used for a Nurgle warshrine, terrain or a mutated tank or such.


I'm eying the Blue Horrors thanks to the knuckle walking one, if there'd be more in that stance it'd be an instant buy. Chaos mutants walking on their hands are creepy and useful in all sort of conversions and settings. With only one like that, hmh.

PS: Anything Nurgle that can be done as a kit SHOULD be done.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:Did you guys notice some improvement in the painting department as well? Most AoS stuff lookes like it had a very simple, straight forward paintjob. (making the miniatures even look worse in some cases)

The gryph mount of the Stormcast general seems like a big step up.

The purple giraffe butt is excellent. I think the forelegs could've been left the same as the rest, though.

CMLR wrote:I like the Stormcasts, I liked the Lord-Achilor quite a lot, but I didn't liked this mount quite a lot, it needs far more feathers Imo, and those horns? lol nope, but I can see they have hooves instead paws on the back limbs.

Are the hooves a good or a bad thing?

With the Tzaangors coming out, I wonder if that means we'll get Khorngors, Slaangors and Pestigors.

Would be pretty amazing, I'd love to get some Khorngors

RyanAvx wrote:
Would be pretty amazing, I'd love to get some Khorngors

They already make "Khorngors":

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

Did you guys notice some improvement in the painting department as well? Most AoS stuff lookes like it had a very simple, straight forward paintjob. (making the miniatures even look worse in some cases)

The gryph mount of the Stormcast general seems like a big step up.

There is no amount of painting step us that can sace that model for me.

Even, if let the fact that its a Stormcast model, its still is a in utter confision.

{sarcasm}

The multi tailed chickengirraffe mount that has some eagle DNA in it and most likely drank too much Troll blood. Just highlights the former Slaanesh worshipping Bretonnian ascendent, who propebly killed a couple of white lions or stoled a piece of Leman Russ`s fur coat. Atleast one the scenarios would explain why is he looking at with a face what expresses: "What the duck are you looking at? " or "What the duck I am really doing here? I am late for lunch."
Just mentioning the they have made a picture in one the most worst angle of the model. Since one of the little lightnings are looking like some kind gue thats comming of the lions nose from the mounts breastplare.

{/sarcasm}

In short it can of dissapoints that we are getting the Space Marine treatment for Stormcasts, while there are no new models for Elves, Dwarfs and men what I would even buy, if GW could make me attach to them..... Oh well EEFL.

RyanAvx wrote:
With the Tzaangors coming out, I wonder if that means we'll get Khorngors, Slaangors and Pestigors.

Would be pretty amazing, I'd love to get some Khorngors

They actually made Khorngor and Pestigor models:

https://goo.gl/images/Y57HUR
https://goo.gl/images/fFFgjN

[edit for spelling]

Giving Brayherd and Warherd models the ability to take marks against would help a great deal, honestly. They obviously exist in the fluff, they gained the ability to be marked during the end times, but right now... Nothing. At least beyond one narrative battalion.

Spire of Dawn back in stock in the UK

ERJAK wrote:
Spire of Dawn back in stock in the UK

Has been for ages hasn't it?

Atia strongly implied Pestigors are coming on Bolter and Chainsword:

Hmm, very interesting. I wonder if it will mean a Tzeentch and Nurgle alliance to take the cities of Order.

Their warriors appearing in the next WQ could definitely hint at that.


:Earlier post from Warhammer site:

It is indeed the Auxiliary Room opened by Sigmar to counter the threat of Tzeentch. 

Huh, thought it was the harbinger chamber not the auxiliary one.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Hmm, very interesting. I wonder if it will mean a Tzeentch and Nurgle alliance to take the cities of Order.

Their warriors appearing in the next WQ could definitely hint at that.


:Earlier post from Warhammer site:

It is indeed the Auxiliary Room opened by Sigmar to counter the threat of Tzeentch. 

Huh, thought it was the harbinger chamber not the auxiliary one.

Now that you say it... maybe we are wrong in our predictions. Think about it, khorne, the strongest god, was the first released. Then tzeentch, the second-strongest. What if the next one is Nurgle and then Slaanesh instead of the other way around?

Hastings talked about a Plague army coming up, Atia has talked about Pestigors - it's been smart money on Nurgle after Tzeetch for a while

It would be good for warhammer quest if it was nurgle and tzeetch. Plus maybe new heroes, although the box art suggests not, maybe the pestigors and such will be in this box?

Since Nurgle does not have a battletome I'm convinced that when they do it they will bring some new kits for the Plague army. Loads of of slots available as I mentioned before.

Its ok demon wise but we need some beastmen or mortals troops.

If Pestigors are happening, I really hope Khorne gets some new Minotaur sculpts. They are fine at the moment but they would look truly stunning with the detail possible now.

I'd love some really dynamic poses, like one roaring into the face of some tiny human, saliva/blood flinging from its gob, veins rippling across muscles and tiny cracks in the horns.

Rumor only, and only building on my on biased opinion but I do hope this next arc (starting with Tzeentch includes the Light/Shadow Realm & Slaanesh story line). Really think this will happen before end of the year.

ImAGeek wrote:Atia strongly implied Pestigors are coming on Bolter and Chainsword:

That doesn't look like Lady Atia said that on Boldter and Chainsword. To me it looks like she said it on her website and someone linked a pic/screenshot taken from The War of Sigmar site.

*edit*

Yup. I am correct. She didn't say this on Bolter and Chainsword at all. Click on the picture you will see someone linked to it. This was said 4 months ago on her own website comment section.

Davor wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:Atia strongly implied Pestigors are coming on Bolter and Chainsword:

That doesn't look like Lady Atia said that on Boldter and Chainsword. To me it looks like she said it on her website and someone linked a pic/screenshot taken from The War of Sigmar site.

*edit*

Yup. I am correct. She didn't say this on Bolter and Chainsword at all. Click on the picture you will see someone linked to it. This was said 4 months ago on her own website comment section.

She linked that picture from her blog. That's her post.

I would be a little annoyed if Nurgle got more before Slaanesh. Nurgle could use some more, but got rotbringers not too long ago.
Slaanesh has an ironic lack of love.

As long as Slaanesh is coming, I don't mind waiting,

 unmercifulconker wrote:
As long as Slaanesh is coming, I don't mind waiting,

Where's that Archer "phrasing" pic again...?

I do like all the latest Tzeentch and Stormcast stuff.

Could this be the release that finally gets me into AoS?!?

Maybe?

 Alpharius wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
As long as Slaanesh is coming, I don't mind waiting,

Where's that Archer "phrasing" pic again...?

I do like all the latest Tzeentch and Stormcast stuff.

Could this be the release that finally gets me into AoS?!?

Maybe?

You want to join our ranks. JOOIIN US! Lord Alpharius of the Alpha Stormhost, the last stormhost made of secretive opperatives and rangers. I mean, you can even convert the stardrakes into massive hydras.

Looks like exactly what AoS needed, more slightly different sigmar models.

But these ones have Bolt Crossbow Pistols!

did someone mention a stormcast lord on a griffon?

 lord marcus wrote:
did someone mention a stormcast lord on a griffon?

Ah, you mean the lord riding the bird-gyraffe?

ImAGeek wrote:

Davor wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:Atia strongly implied Pestigors are coming on Bolter and Chainsword:

That doesn't look like Lady Atia said that on Boldter and Chainsword. To me it looks like she said it on her website and someone linked a pic/screenshot taken from The War of Sigmar site.

*edit*

Yup. I am correct. She didn't say this on Bolter and Chainsword at all. Click on the picture you will see someone linked to it. This was said 4 months ago on her own website comment section.

She linked that picture from her blog. That's her post.

I take your word for it. I just found it weird that pic wouldn't include who the poster was. Since we don't see who posted it in the first place, it could have been anyone who linked it.

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I never thought it would happen, maybe its the angle or the colour scheme but that is uglier than a Marine centurion.

 daemonish wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I never thought it would happen, maybe its the angle or the colour scheme but that is uglier than a Marine centurion.

Blasphemy!

Yeah... looks a little 80's plus chunky gaudy, but that's certainly not as bad as a cent IMHO.

Are they ever going to add anything to the Ogre line or do you think the line has been squatted? Ogres could use new Yhettis, maneaters, sabertusks, special characters etc.

sturguard wrote:
Are they ever going to add anything to the Ogre line or do you think the line has been squatted? Ogres could use new Yhettis, maneaters, sabertusks, special characters etc.

Doubtful (the squatting) considering most of their stuff is plastic and they have BCR which are fairly popular.

Davor wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:

Davor wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:Atia strongly implied Pestigors are coming on Bolter and Chainsword:

That doesn't look like Lady Atia said that on Boldter and Chainsword. To me it looks like she said it on her website and someone linked a pic/screenshot taken from The War of Sigmar site.

*edit*

Yup. I am correct. She didn't say this on Bolter and Chainsword at all. Click on the picture you will see someone linked to it. This was said 4 months ago on her own website comment section.

She linked that picture from her blog. That's her post.

I take your word for it. I just found it weird that pic wouldn't include who the poster was. Since we don't see who posted it in the first place, it could have been anyone who linked it.

It's because I went on all of Atias posts to find it, because I couldn't find it in the thread.

That bird is still one of the coolest creatures I've ever seen out of GW. It's going to see tooons of use in conversions because of how utterly Warhammer it is.

Yup, it's topped the lord celestant on dracoth as most power metal model in the game. And it says something when the previous title holder was a guy in pompous golden armour and a big cloak who swings a giant warhammer and rides a dragon on lightning. Me likes it. Depending on this stormhost specific rules I may or may not buy him and being order.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah... looks a little 80's plus chunky gaudy, but that's certainly not as bad as a cent IMHO.

Don't mind the chicken, but hate the rider doesn't look right, could be worse it could be a centurion riding the chicken

Marxist artist wrote:

Don't mind the chicken, but hate the rider doesn't look right, could be worse it could be a centurion riding the chicken

Or two Sigmarites !

Sigturians*

Ugh I just made myself vomit a little bit.

I know it's not supposed to be canon anymore (kind of) but I'd outright kill for them to release even upgrade sprues that contained non-human heads for the stormcasts. The armor with heads and dinamic poses would look nice. Imagine an orruk going on a charge position, preparing himself to swing his grandhammer violently.

 Carnikang wrote:
Sigturians*

Ugh I just made myself vomit a little bit.

Ssshhhhhh. You will give gw ideas!

Wonder when new warhammer quest likely, April or may I think

Marxist artist wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
Sigturians*

Ugh I just made myself vomit a little bit.

Ssshhhhhh. You will give gw ideas!

Wonder when new warhammer quest likely, April or may I think

Nah, stormcasts are solely human now so I'm not seeing it no matter how much you suggest it.

And I think it comes actually this february (maybe).

Lord Kragan wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
Sigturians*

Ugh I just made myself vomit a little bit.

Ssshhhhhh. You will give gw ideas!

Wonder when new warhammer quest likely, April or may I think

Nah, stormcasts are solely human now so I'm not seeing it no matter how much you suggest it.

And I think it comes actually this february (maybe).

Where was it stated that Stormcast are exclusively human? I'm a lore junky and I don't think I've read whatever that's from, so honestly curious.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
Sigturians*

Ugh I just made myself vomit a little bit.

Ssshhhhhh. You will give gw ideas!

Wonder when new warhammer quest likely, April or may I think

Nah, stormcasts are solely human now so I'm not seeing it no matter how much you suggest it.

And I think it comes actually this february (maybe).

Where was it stated that Stormcast are exclusively human? I'm a lore junky and I don't think I've read whatever that's from, so honestly curious.

At first it was left rather vague but later books have been more specific and it seems it's an all human organization. Josh Reynolds himself said as much, though maybe the astral templars MAAAY have some... quote on quote "Stormcast Orrukternals" (god talk about bad puns)

If that's true then I find that change to be disappointing. The AoS release wasn't all that long ago and the first book explicitly states other races being included, so while minor (since humans were/are obviously the vast majority anyway) changing the lore so soon after its release isn't a good sign.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 daemonish wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

Spoiler:

Anyone else see Squidward wearing sunglasses when they look at the riders face?

Joyboozer wrote:
Anyone else see Squidward wearing sunglasses when they look at the riders face?

Now I do.

Joyboozer wrote:
Anyone else see Squidward wearing sunglasses when they look at the riders face?

Replace his sword with a clarinet, he's a dead ringer!

 daemonish wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/27/stomcast-gryph-cavalry-inbound/

I never thought it would happen, maybe its the angle or the colour scheme but that is uglier than a Marine centurion.

My god that is fugly. Workable, but fugly.

I think it looks great. The lower ends of the back legs are a bit weird and the posing on the front left claw throws me off a little, but overall looks solid. Certainly better than the Dracoth cav in my eyes.

While not so interested in a Stormcast release, I am glad we are seeing some newer model stuff.

Also while I'm not interested at all I would like to see Death finally expanded out with some new battletomes! Come on I wanna see some big Necromancer/Zombie/Skeleton book with some cool new models!

Dragon forelimbs, hooves rear legs, two tails and a bird's head.

Is that an actual fantasy creature or a special one-of-a-kind GW Trademarkable creature.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dragon forelimbs, hooves rear legs, two tails and a bird's head.

Is that an actual fantasy creature or a special one-of-a-kind GW Trademarkable creature.

It's a spin on a Hippogryph (horse back half, eagle front half).