Seriously those guys are awesome, look a lot more dynamic than the standard soldiers and those gryph hounds....brah..... I didn't really like the past models too much but especially with that paint job, a fine collection to the Azyr warhost.
Love the pelts though, very fitting for a 'royal' looking Tempest Lord.
Clockpunk wrote: I just hope this new set contains some female Stormcast heroes / units to mix into the fray.
They replid to one of the people that posted on their FB message asking about Female heads or models and told them "We've seen none as of yet." Or something similar.
yay more stormcast... I rarely gripe about releases but so many factions need rules and minis in AOS last faction that needed anything were these dorks.
Wait, Aetherwing and the formidable Gryph-chargers? There's more?! Hot diggity dayum!
Another must buy book, lets see what's been going on in the realms. Guttered whilst in Edinburgh they didn't have the Tzeentch BT in stock.
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The gryph hounds are cool, but the SC are ultra gakky, even compared to other SC (who are for the most part boring and gakky). They all have the same stiff pose.
They probably are monoposed models with only a minimum of customisation possible,
Vanguard Stormcast Eternals...so they are rangers in their usual heavy armor, but with some furs and pelts. Not really something I'm hyped for.
Totally called the box of gryph-hounds and will gladly grab one box or two when they are out!
I'm curious for the last unit. Maybe we will know more tomorrow. Stormcast on gryph-something could be interesting for a themed army (gryph-beasts, assemble!).
CoreCommander wrote: The gryph hounds are excellent minies - I'll grab a box for my fantasy collection anyway (dnd and other rpg stuff). The stormcast kit though... I'm a stormcast collector, have read the lore, love the models etc. I've also been there to defend them when they were being called fantasy space marines... You know what? I take it all back, I surrender. A piece of me died when I saw the clip holding sergeant and the one holding the "scrying sphere" (crying inside) . There are too many similarities in the pose and intent there to just walk by... Probably will get a kit for my collection at the end of the year, though...
That war was lost as soon as it was started. Just the fact that they used terms like the 'first smithing' was a dead giveaway that sigmarines were meant to be fantasy spacemarines
I'm going to point out those look like repeater-crossbows, only that, for some bizarrre reason (read: GW not knowing jackwad about how things properly work.) the magazine (yes, the chinese used magazines for their repeating crossbows too) and arms aren't in the right side.
Yeah, now that I've looked at the pics on google, these are repeater-hand-crossbows, only that their firing mechanism is vertical instead of horizontal.
Clockpunk wrote: I just hope this new set contains some female Stormcast heroes / units to mix into the fray.
They replid to one of the people that posted on their FB message asking about Female heads or models and told them "We've seen none as of yet." Or something similar.
streetsamurai wrote: The gryph hounds are cool, but the SC are ultra gakky, even compared to other SC (who are for the most part boring and gakky). They all have the same stiff pose.
They probably are monoposed models with only a minimum of customisation possible,
bob wrote:Still waiting on : Gryph-chargers a new type of mount !
And a New battletome !
So the endless wave of SC continues. Exctitng. Just what AOS needed :/
You may want to look again, then. Just by looking at the legs, I can count 3 different poses, maybe four but with the different angles I'm not entirely sure. The arms too seem to be in diferent poses too, so you can bet there will be a decent bit of customizaiton, specially since the torsos also look distinctly different in a few cases and there's at least two unhelmeted heads.
Endless waves, people we had the initial releases, the extremis chamber 2-week period and that's it. In my books that's already better than the tide of power-armor 40k has.
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Alpharius wrote: Maybe it is just because they got painted black, but I just cant un-see the Blotgun with the Crossbow Cosplay attachments!
The originals weren't much better in terms of boxiness. The thing is we are so used to bolters we can't remember what they (fire arms) were actually inspired on design-wise.
Clockpunk wrote: I just hope this new set contains some female Stormcast heroes / units to mix into the fray.
They replid to one of the people that posted on their FB message asking about Female heads or models and told them "We've seen none as of yet." Or something similar.
That's not a no then Sounds like there's a cavalry unit and some kind of flying creature to come. Another hero or two wouldn't be a surprise either. Plenty of room for a few female bare heads in there.
Except for the ones pointing their crossbows forward, all others have the same pose, but only in reverse (crossbow up, other hand down). They all look very similar to each other, and I,m pretty sire it will be impossible to make them look more disting without some converting.
And no, we had a lot more release of SC than that. The prime wasn't released in the first wave, and they also released numerous clampack characters here and there.
streetsamurai wrote: Except for the ones pointing their crossbows forward, all others have the same pose, but only in reverse (crossbow up, other hand down).
And no, we had a lot more release of SC than that. The prime wasn't released in the first wave, and they also released numerous clampack characters here and there.
Characters that were used more as a breather than anything else. Big releases are done with 4 or so weeks all-together, something that none of those models did manage to pull of. Plus Celestant-Prime was released as part of a campaign book. You may think that the guy who gets Ghal Maraz should appear in the campaign book right next to the discovery of Ghal Maraz.
I really like the new release. The scout stormcast are awesome. I think they would look cool converted to be Liberators too (especially with the swords and round shields).
streetsamurai wrote: Except for the ones pointing their crossbows forward, all others have the same pose, but only in reverse (crossbow up, other hand down).
And no, we had a lot more release of SC than that. The prime wasn't released in the first wave, and they also released numerous clampack characters here and there.
Characters that were used more as a breather than anything else. Big releases are done with 4 or so weeks all-together, something that none of those models did manage to pull of. Plus Celestant-Prime was released as part of a campaign book. You may think that the guy who gets Ghal Maraz should appear in the campaign book right next to the discovery of Ghal Maraz.
Which doesn't contradict anything I have said. The game is not even 2 years old, yet we're already in the third wave of SC release (not even counting the Prime and the other characters), while armies that are a lot more interesting are not even touched a bit and barely acknowledge in the fluff.
HOLY gak my excitement level is over 9000. I sold all my Stormcast to focus on Tzeentch but this guys are some of the best models I've seen in a good long while. The posing, the bare heads, the pelts, the whole atmosphere is completely different from the normal guys. THIS is how Stormcast should've looked from the beginning. They're astonishing, and don't get me started on those Gryph-hounds, I need these things in my life... and still cavalry models and monsters to come. and a new battletome in the style of DoT. NOW PLEASE. Completely unexpected but insanely cool. Wow, just wow, talk about hitting it out of the park.
Alpharius wrote: Maybe it is just because they got painted black, but I just cant un-see the Blotgun with the Crossbow Cosplay attachments!
It doesn't help that they put the magazine on the wrong side. The ancient Chinese repeating crossbows had the magazine on top so that gravity made a new bolt drop down after the previous one was fired. GW had the old WHFBDE repeating crossbows have the magazines on top and that made sense. Putting the crossbow bolt magazine on the bottom means they have to include some mechanism to push the bolt upwards into the crossbow to load it. In modern firearms this is accomplished by have a spring attached to the floor of the magazine with a plastic follower on top that pushes rounds upward into the chamber. Putting the magazines on the bottom makes the crossbows look like modern firearms or bolt pistols rather than historic repeating crossbows or WHFBDE repeating crossbows.
Alpharius wrote: Maybe it is just because they got painted black, but I just cant un-see the Blotgun with the Crossbow Cosplay attachments!
It doesn't help that they put the magazine on the wrong side. The ancient Chinese repeating crossbows had the magazine on top so that gravity made a new bolt drop down after the previous one was fired. GW had the old WHFBDE repeating crossbows have the magazines on top and that made sense. Putting the crossbow bolt magazine on the bottom means they have to include some mechanism to push the bolt upwards into the crossbow to load it. In modern firearms this is accomplished by have a spring attached to the floor of the magazine with a plastic follower on top that pushes rounds upward into the chamber. Putting the magazines on the bottom makes the crossbows look like modern firearms or bolt pistols rather than historic repeating crossbows or WHFBDE repeating crossbows.
Which makes me angry, since I can see them just going: hey let's make this crossbow this way, it will look cool!!1one!! Instead of looking at practicalities. Those crossbows literally can't fire at all, because the magazine blocks off the axis. I'm sawing that gak off and placing it on one of the latterals, that way it will work out... sort of.
dubovac wrote: They look like great base for a thunder warriors.
I would like to see someone take a crack at this conversion. It could be pretty interesting.
Take the top arm of the crossbow bow off completely and take just the narrower end part of the bottom bow away and you're left with what would look like a bolt pistol with a vertical grip under the barrel. Leave the axes and swords. Don't use the globe hand or swap it out for an auspex hand and you're done, Thunder Warriors.
Eh, I can't say I'm impressed with the new Stormcasts. The pelts are nice, but why the cloak is made of cloth rather than hide to match the paws on the chest? I'm not a fan of the helmets and the crossbow pistol design is really perplexing. How the hell can the magazine hold any bolts if the string goes straight through it? I get that it is fantasy, and not everything needs to be perfectly sensible, but it is so blindingly obviously non-functional that it makes it awkward. Tempestors had perfectly functional looking hand crossbows; why not use that design? (Looked better too.)
I think that the best use for these is to kitbash them with other Stormcast kits to add some variety.
Payday tomorrow was going to order DoT stuff but already appear to have sold out of Curseling miniature, so guess I won't bother. Very poor to be selling out of new mini's within 2 weeks of release, just as I was about to be tempted back into Warhammer, oh well
Elysium64 wrote: Payday tomorrow was going to order DoT stuff but already appear to have sold out of Curseling miniature, so guess I won't bother. Very poor to be selling out of new mini's within 2 weeks of release, just as I was about to be tempted back into Warhammer, oh well
That's the old curseling that is sold out. The new one is up for preorder this Saturday.
Huh, was really betting the auxiliary chamber would have been the Stormcasts(?) used to aid the mortals. This is pretty cool, though. So after this release we're still waiting for the two last chambers to be revealed, correct?
Anyway, really loving the looks of these guys. The knight plumes are a nice touch and a release with helmetless knights can finally put those "aren't they hollow inside?" questions to rest.
I kinda like the crossbow pistols because I feel when the Steamhead and Ironweld are fleshed out the Stormcasts are going to be the main "medieval" look where as the tech factions will be using actual repeater pistols along with a cadre of steampunk weapons.(I'll probably take the magazine off though)
Really excited about the Gryph-hounds and the future Gryph-chargers.
"They bring with them loyal beasts of the Celestial Realm, some familiar, like the Gryph-hound, and some we have never seen before, like the Aetherwing and the formidable Gryph-chargers (more on those very soon)."
For me and my friends who are Stormcast and Bretonnian players that's a win-win.
Mymearan wrote:HOLY gak my excitement level is over 9000. I sold all my Stormcast to focus on Tzeentch but this guys are some of the best models I've seen in a good long while. The posing, the bare heads, the pelts, the whole atmosphere is completely different from the normal guys. THIS is how Stormcast should've looked from the beginning. They're astonishing, and don't get me started on those Gryph-hounds, I need these things in my life... and still cavalry models and monsters to come. and a new battletome in the style of DoT. NOW PLEASE. Completely unexpected but insanely cool. Wow, just wow, talk about hitting it out of the park.
I agree this is how Stormcasts should have looked from the beginning, I might not have been so harsh. Sad thing is now, I am still Stormcast overload. It was nice to have that break where we don't see any new Stormcasts. Thing is, I am still tired of them. Now all I see is Space wolves in Blood Angel armour. Ugh.
Just as I was getting excited for Age of Sigmar game, I am getting turned off now again.
What's even worse now, is the books are being obsolete even at a faster pace now. Now we are at
What book is legal, what book is not legal, what is the most updated book, what books I can't use now. This is almost like 40K now and the game is not even 2 years old now. I hope GW is not creating a mess of bloat now. Time will tell if this is the truth or not now.
Elysium64 wrote: Payday tomorrow was going to order DoT stuff but already appear to have sold out of Curseling miniature, so guess I won't bother. Very poor to be selling out of new mini's within 2 weeks of release, just as I was about to be tempted back into Warhammer, oh well
That's the old curseling that is sold out. The new one is up for preorder this Saturday.
Are you sure? Because the Curseling was displayed with the Week 1 Preorders on GW's site.
Elysium64 wrote: Payday tomorrow was going to order DoT stuff but already appear to have sold out of Curseling miniature, so guess I won't bother. Very poor to be selling out of new mini's within 2 weeks of release, just as I was about to be tempted back into Warhammer, oh well
That's the old curseling that is sold out. The new one is up for preorder this Saturday.
Are you sure? Because the Curseling was displayed with the Week 1 Preorders on GW's site.
That was actually a "glitch", so to speak. The current curseling will be released alongside all the daemon-related stuff.
In regards to the hand-crossbow functionality discussion; don't take the design too seriously. Literally every weapon Stormcasts use is magical, units like Prosecutors conjure fresh ammo out of thin air every time they shoot, while boltstorm crossbows generate ammunition similarly. Even the archers with quivers have fluff stating the after firing the arrows magically reform back in the quiver.
NinthMusketeer wrote: In regards to the hand-crossbow functionality discussion; don't take the design too seriously. Literally every weapon Stormcasts use is magical, units like Prosecutors conjure fresh ammo out of thin air every time they shoot, while boltstorm crossbows generate ammunition similarly. Even the archers with quivers have fluff stating the after firing the arrows magically reform back in the quiver.
NinthMusketeer wrote: In regards to the hand-crossbow functionality discussion; don't take the design too seriously. Literally every weapon Stormcasts use is magical, units like Prosecutors conjure fresh ammo out of thin air every time they shoot, while boltstorm crossbows generate ammunition similarly. Even the archers with quivers have fluff stating the after firing the arrows magically reform back in the quiver.
Well, that's super lame.
If by super lame you mean cheap, yes. Seriously, Sigmar is such a cheapskate he can't even get his troops degradable munitions like any proper dictator would?
Mymearan wrote: HOLY gak my excitement level is over 9000. I sold all my Stormcast to focus on Tzeentch but this guys are some of the best models I've seen in a good long while. The posing, the bare heads, the pelts, the whole atmosphere is completely different from the normal guys. THIS is how Stormcast should've looked from the beginning. They're astonishing, and don't get me started on those Gryph-hounds, I need these things in my life... and still cavalry models and monsters to come. and a new battletome in the style of DoT. NOW PLEASE. Completely unexpected but insanely cool. Wow, just wow, talk about hitting it out of the park.
Agreed on the helmless guys. This is two now, with that WHW exclusive guy a few months back. A nice trend. I still, for some reason I'm grateful for, have yet to play more than 2 games vs. Stormcasts. I wonder if I'll see more now. I wouldn't mind having these scamps across the table from my Fyreslayers actually, even if just to see what they do and enjoy the models painted).
Mymearan wrote:HOLY gak my excitement level is over 9000. I sold all my Stormcast to focus on Tzeentch but this guys are some of the best models I've seen in a good long while. The posing, the bare heads, the pelts, the whole atmosphere is completely different from the normal guys. THIS is how Stormcast should've looked from the beginning. They're astonishing, and don't get me started on those Gryph-hounds, I need these things in my life... and still cavalry models and monsters to come. and a new battletome in the style of DoT. NOW PLEASE. Completely unexpected but insanely cool. Wow, just wow, talk about hitting it out of the park.
I agree this is how Stormcasts should have looked from the beginning, I might not have been so harsh. Sad thing is now, I am still Stormcast overload. It was nice to have that break where we don't see any new Stormcasts. Thing is, I am still tired of them. Now all I see is Space wolves in Blood Angel armour. Ugh.
Just as I was getting excited for Age of Sigmar game, I am getting turned off now again.
What's even worse now, is the books are being obsolete even at a faster pace now. Now we are at
What book is legal, what book is not legal, what is the most updated book, what books I can't use now. This is almost like 40K now and the game is not even 2 years old now. I hope GW is not creating a mess of bloat now. Time will tell if this is the truth or not now.
The stormcast book is the first battletome to replace an old one. It kind of sucks for early adopters but combining three books into one is good for the game going forward. Aos has gone through a lot of growing pains early on, but they seem to be headed in a pretty good direction now.
Which makes me angry, since I can see them just going: hey let's make this crossbow this way, it will look cool!!1one!! Instead of looking at practicalities. Those crossbows literally can't fire at all, because the magazine blocks off the axis.
Well, we can't know until their artwork is shown to know where the strings are but maybe the crossbows have two strings going vertically on both sides of the barrel?
What book is legal, what book is not legal, what is the most updated book, what books I can't use now.
Doesn't the app and downloadable general's handbook make that less of an issue?
They needed an updated book anyway since the Sylvaneth book added in new game elements like the relics.
Mymearan wrote:HOLY gak my excitement level is over 9000. I sold all my Stormcast to focus on Tzeentch but this guys are some of the best models I've seen in a good long while. The posing, the bare heads, the pelts, the whole atmosphere is completely different from the normal guys. THIS is how Stormcast should've looked from the beginning. They're astonishing, and don't get me started on those Gryph-hounds, I need these things in my life... and still cavalry models and monsters to come. and a new battletome in the style of DoT. NOW PLEASE. Completely unexpected but insanely cool. Wow, just wow, talk about hitting it out of the park.
I agree this is how Stormcasts should have looked from the beginning, I might not have been so harsh. Sad thing is now, I am still Stormcast overload. It was nice to have that break where we don't see any new Stormcasts. Thing is, I am still tired of them. Now all I see is Space wolves in Blood Angel armour. Ugh.
Just as I was getting excited for Age of Sigmar game, I am getting turned off now again.
What's even worse now, is the books are being obsolete even at a faster pace now. Now we are at
What book is legal, what book is not legal, what is the most updated book, what books I can't use now. This is almost like 40K now and the game is not even 2 years old now. I hope GW is not creating a mess of bloat now. Time will tell if this is the truth or not now.
I too hope they aren't, but look at it this way: SE battle tome was divided in two, both books were at old prices (IE: 40 euros, 60-80 canadian dollars each, mayhaps?). New tome will combine BOTH, plus a new one. New tome will give plenty of new stuff for those players. And most likely will be around 20 euros, meaning less than a single of thos books. Sucks for the early adopters but I think it will benefit the newer players, and said early adopters too (since they get more stuff at a quarter of what they've paid already, and they only need to carry a single book).
I can agree (still dont' feel so, and I'm an ironjaw player) some people, but I think this is a decent move for the stormcasts' benefit.
NinthMusketeer wrote: In regards to the hand-crossbow functionality discussion; don't take the design too seriously. Literally every weapon Stormcasts use is magical, units like Prosecutors conjure fresh ammo out of thin air every time they shoot, while boltstorm crossbows generate ammunition similarly. Even the archers with quivers have fluff stating the after firing the arrows magically reform back in the quiver.
Well, that's super lame.
If by super lame you mean cheap, yes. Seriously, Sigmar is such a cheapskate he can't even get his troops degradable munitions like any proper dictator would?
That gave me a strong flashback of the King Edward from the Braveheart movie and him sending in troops to die instead of wasting valuable arrows.
Wonder what he would do with a army that could "reforge" it's casualties? Meh, probably end up a servant of Nagash not after so long.
Elysium64 wrote: Payday tomorrow was going to order DoT stuff but already appear to have sold out of Curseling miniature, so guess I won't bother. Very poor to be selling out of new mini's within 2 weeks of release, just as I was about to be tempted back into Warhammer, oh well
That's the old curseling that is sold out. The new one is up for preorder this Saturday.
Are you sure? Because the Curseling was displayed with the Week 1 Preorders on GW's site.
That was actually a "glitch", so to speak. The current curseling will be released alongside all the daemon-related stuff.
They're a ranger version(lighter armor, good firepower, warbeast support, better mobility) of the Stormcasts to act as a quick response unit to trouble in populated areas.
Seeing as the Liberator is the statue in front of GW and the main posterboy of AoS, I'd say definitely not. The vanguard are just the Stormcast version of the Empire's outriders.
The Liberators and Judicators(the main infantry) are most likely just getting price changes.
What puzzles me is the description of their being "rangers, trackers and cavalrymen without compare." If they are cavalrymen, does that mean they will come as two separate kits, one mounted, one not? If they are cavalrymen, why have a dismounted version?
Osorios wrote: What puzzles me is the description of their being "rangers, trackers and cavalrymen without compare." If they are cavalrymen, does that mean they will come as two separate kits, one mounted, one not? If they are cavalrymen, why have a dismounted version?
Because two of the three listed (rangers and trackers) don't necessarily mean that they're mounted.
I'm on the page that more factions need books in the first place. It really does feel like GW is treating Stormcast as Spess Mahreenz. Other factions might get the occasional awesome release (see Disciples of Tzeentch), but no one is going to get more models or books or love than the Sigmarines.
Baron Klatz wrote: Eh, maybe. Depends on what happens after the last few chambers are revealed. I think there's only two left with one of those being auxiliaries.
I love the hounds, and dislike basically everything about the Sigmarines. The sideways crossbows (don't worry they are MAGIC!!!) are particularly egregious. None of the disparate design elements with together. Scouts in full plate armor?(Don't worry, it is MAGIC!!! armor) Fur under your pauldrons? (Don't worry, they are MAGIC!!! pauldrons) Having to reload your magic pistol? (The magazine carries the MAGIC!!!). Scouts keep getting lost? How about a MAGIC!!! map they can consult? Every single one of them is in a bandy legged sumo stance. It is like being subjected to Space Marine stances all over again. GAH! To each their own, but I'll keep passing on the Sigmarines.
I've always loved the SE, I do recognize they are the direct counterpart to the Space Marines, but I don't give a damn, for me they look far more akin to Greek-Roman legionaries. Still, although those crossbow-guns look weird, they look much better than the first ones, imo.
I just feel them much more realistic (as it gets) and and overall great-looking.
And man, I just love that Gryph-hounds pack, they look awesome, like any GW Gryph.
But what I'm hyped for are the Gryph-chargers. I bet they are Stormcasts-scaled Demi-gryphs. Those guys are gonna be HUGE.
With the new SE Battletome, I'm gonna expect more updated ones for the factions already released, I'd like the next to be a new Seraphon one, and I can easily see they making the same for the other Chaos gods, as well as a new Battletome for Aelvish, Duradin, and Human armies. They might as well launch one with the smaller Death armies.
Also, I'm surprised no one has pointed out that yet, but there is a P.S. at the end of the article:
Warhammer Community wrote:We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow. Check back then to find out what
And this alongside the new Battletome really excites me; there are chances to see new miniatures for several armies each in a while.
Wayniac wrote: The only issue I have with this is its basically a Stormcast 2.0 book, when there are other factions that haven't gotten any books at all. Seems they are going back to the style of updating Space Marines constantly throughout the life of the game while ignoring others.
Truthfully, it seems less like "Stormcast 2.0" and more like 3rd edition 40k, where you got tiny little "update books" for SM. Just if those books also included the stuff you needed too.
But this is not an "update book", they said this is a reworked SE Battletome, to match the DoT format.
Baron Klatz wrote: Eh, maybe. Depends on what happens after the last few chambers are revealed. I think there's only two left with one of those being auxiliaries.
I really like the Stormcast actually. Wish there was a bit more variety in the posing. Looking forward to seeing the Gryph Chargers, hope they look better than the Dracoth cav (which are okay just dull poses).
Less Stormcast marinification of everything and more focus on other factions. If Stormcast have everything it makes the other races, especially human, over shadowed, redundant and worthless.
Should have left them at elite shock troops, not literal fantasy space marines with 'guns' and power weapons
That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.
Osorios wrote: What puzzles me is the description of their being "rangers, trackers and cavalrymen without compare." If they are cavalrymen, does that mean they will come as two separate kits, one mounted, one not? If they are cavalrymen, why have a dismounted version?
I imagine that the as yet unseen Gryph-chargers and/or Aertherwing will cover the cavalrymen part.
I'm not contesting that they are the chaos counterpart. But they go beyond sword and board. Chaos has nothing on these guys. They should be less te by with their 'guns' and more focuses on their angelic shock troop, riding in on a lightning flash.
Also, the pelts/ cloak thing does nothing for me but wish they had normal non cluttered chest plates.
Isn't that the sword and board* archetype, though?
Bad guys: Disorganized, hordes, specialized, tanky and loves melee.
Good guys: Disciplined, elites, balanced, jack-of-all-trades but loves shooting.
Agreed with the angelic shock troops but they also have a Roman legion/knight quality to them that would require troops of a skirmish/ranger/musketeer/outrider quality to do what their main force can't.
Edit: *By sword and board you mean medieval correct? Or are you referring to chaos' lack of shooting?
I'm not sure wether this has been mentioned or not but:
Daemons of tzeentch are getting a start collecting, it will consist of: a chariot, 3 flamers, 3 screamers, ten horrors and an herald. This comes from an image caption my LGS has sent to our Whatsapp group, so I guess it's a solid reliability.
LoC will cost the same as bloodthirster kit. Blue horros will be 25 euros per ten models.
I also found out some old artwork (Ie: forth edition) of warhammer fantasy. Which just doesn't want to appear...
nudibranch wrote: Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...
He has a french-sounding surname, can you fault them?
Yeah, that's not why...
Blanche's art is, to put it lightly, too abstract at times. Sometimes it's been good/iconic, other times it looks like it belongs to a totally different game system.
nudibranch wrote: Christ alive, people always seem to get so rude about Blanche...
He has a french-sounding surname, can you fault them?
Yeah, that's not why...
Blanche's art is, to put it lightly, too abstract at times. Sometimes it's been good/iconic, other times it looks like it belongs to a totally different game system.
I know, I know, I was joking. But there's this argument that his art is too "weird", according to some, and that hadn't he been involved-according to that same bunch- 40k/fantasy would be cooler.
Gallahad wrote:I love the hounds, and dislike basically everything about the Sigmarines. The sideways crossbows (don't worry they are MAGIC!!!) are particularly egregious. None of the disparate design elements with together. Scouts in full plate armor?(Don't worry, it is MAGIC!!! armor) Fur under your pauldrons? (Don't worry, they are MAGIC!!! pauldrons) Having to reload your magic pistol? (The magazine carries the MAGIC!!!). Scouts keep getting lost? How about a MAGIC!!! map they can consult? Every single one of them is in a bandy legged sumo stance. It is like being subjected to Space Marine stances all over again. GAH! To each their own, but I'll keep passing on the Sigmarines.
Glad I am not the only one who thinks this way.
NinthMusketeer wrote:That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.
A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?
Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)
Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.
One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...
Is there confirmation on this start collecting Daemons of Tzeentch? Any more news about the contents if so?
Lord of Change £70
Blue Horrors £20 (10 Blue, 10 Brimstone)
Changeling £20
Start Collecting Daemons of Tzeentch (yeah, forgot to ask about contents...)
Also Dwarf Giants team, with dice and special play cards coming for Blood Bowl.
One interesting thing... Liberators and Judicators are being pulled, to be replaced by... something else, no idea what yet...
Is there confirmation on this start collecting Daemons of Tzeentch? Any more news about the contents if so?
According to an image i got from my LGS-owner the box will contain the following:
NinthMusketeer wrote: That's part of the point though, Stormcast are supposed to be like humans but better. The fluff emphasizes this all over the place, and there is more or less nothing humans can do that Stormcast can't do better. Except procreate. Making a Stormcast is an intensive process that from fluff references seems to take years if not decades, and further that Stormcast was pulled from the mortal races to begin with. Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.
Pretty much they make the exact point during the age of myth and at the start of the age of chaos sigmar's normal dudes were getting trashed by chaos warriors. Even if they are stronger than a human stormcast are poor at dealing with the situation with tzeentch which is evident in the tzeentch battle tome and the city of secrets novel.
A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?
Sort of, but not necessarily in the way Space Marines let millions of hopefuls die to make new recruits.
When the true and mighty of Sigmar (or whatever) die, he takes their souls before they have a chance to be claimed by Nagash. He then attempts to reforge that soul into a new Stormcast, giving them new life to serve him and fight Chaos. In the fluff, you'll often see those dying to the forces of Chaos, or those falling to protect another, are whisked away to be given a new chance at life by Sigmar. If the reforging fails, well, you were dead already. If it succeeds, you become a superhero. Win/win.
A good way of putting it. Now when you say "thousands of Marauders who didn't make the cut" does this mean that Sigmar tried to make them, but they were "discarded" and killed because they were not strong enough?
Sort of, but not necessarily in the way Space Marines let millions of hopefuls die to make new recruits.
When the true and mighty of Sigmar (or whatever) die, he takes their souls before they have a chance to be claimed by Nagash. He then attempts to reforge that soul into a new Stormcast, giving them new life to serve him and fight Chaos. In the fluff, you'll often see those dying to the forces of Chaos, or those falling to protect another, are whisked away to be given a new chance at life by Sigmar. If the reforging fails, well, you were dead already. If it succeeds, you become a superhero. Win/win.
Even then if you are too weak or not strong of spirit the reforging takes a REALLY long time it's different for everyone. That's why from the looks of things sigmar chooses from how strong someone's spirit and character is over how physically strong they are. Hell one decimator prime used to be a baker.
Gallahad wrote:I love the hounds, and dislike basically everything about the Sigmarines. The sideways crossbows (don't worry they are MAGIC!!!) are particularly egregious. None of the disparate design elements with together. Scouts in full plate armor?(Don't worry, it is MAGIC!!! armor) Fur under your pauldrons? (Don't worry, they are MAGIC!!! pauldrons) Having to reload your magic pistol? (The magazine carries the MAGIC!!!). Scouts keep getting lost? How about a MAGIC!!! map they can consult? Every single one of them is in a bandy legged sumo stance. It is like being subjected to Space Marine stances all over again. GAH! To each their own, but I'll keep passing on the Sigmarines.
This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.
CMLR wrote:for me they look far more akin to Greek-Roman legionaries.
Spoiler:
I see what you mean.
NinthMusketeer wrote:Think of it as the light side to Chaos' dark; freeguild would be like an army of marauders, war hounds, and the occasional small monster thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of chaos warriors, knights, chosen, and the like. And for every one of those warriors or knights there are thousands of marauders who didn't make the cut.
Exactly. Or you could think of it like an army of imperial guardsmen, with tanks and guns and an occasional superheavy thrown in. Stormcast would be an army of... those guys. Y'know the ones.
Lord Kragan wrote:So can we please stop rambling about sigmarines??
What does that prove? A couple of those could be Karl Franz in full plate, with ghal--maraz. (Or a portrait of Balthazar Gelt) At best, John had the sigmarine idea years before GW fell back on it.
Anyone else notice that they stripped chaos naked and gave it to the space marines? Kinda annoying sifi fantasy is becoming more and more sifi and kid like.
AoS looks like a mixture of stargate, power rangers and some kind of fan fiction. The good guys always being the best is just not real and boring.
The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.
Stormcast are only bloated where it comes to characters. They have 5 kits otherwise (and Libs/Judicators are basically the same), which honestly doesn't feel that "bloated" to me.
The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.
Stormcast are only bloated where it comes to characters. They have 5 kits otherwise (and Libs/Judicators are basically the same), which honestly doesn't feel that "bloated" to me.
This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.
Umm.... You realize we're playing with toy soldiers, so.......
This is the thing about killing the old world: the grounding (even if it was a toehold in places) in historical themes, with flesh and blood clashing over a set geography was one of the bigger appeals over the years. Now, especially with these new models, it's all but 'anything goes', where an entire faction gets the magic item obsession that plagued WHFB characters, sounding more like "pew pew I shot you!" "Nuh-uh I've got magic armour!" "Well I've got magic bullets!" "Well you ran out!" "Well I've got magic reloads!" Far less structure and internal logic in favour of a superficial kewl factor.
Umm.... You realize we're playing with toy soldiers, so.......
Yes but when playing chess your playing with pieces of wood, when playing mtg yugioh or such you are playing with paper. With out proper rules it is al worthless.
Stormcast look cool as a set of three, with the clones clearly visible less so. The bare head seems like a really great sculpt, which is nice after the craptastik MK3 Marine heads.
The gryph hounds are very nice, but the beaks on the already relased ones are a bit bigger, aren't they. On thos they're more snout-like, which is a bit boring.
I might get both SC releases -which would be my first non starter SCs- depending on price and the bits included. Use a few of them as characters with the starter ones, the rest can be Artificer Armour SM/roided Inqs, Tzeentch Chaos Warriors with corrupted bird-hounds...hmh.
The addition to the already bloated Sigmarine line is passable.
Stormcast are only bloated where it comes to characters. They have 5 kits otherwise (and Libs/Judicators are basically the same), which honestly doesn't feel that "bloated" to me.
Compare with other factions.
You mean like the Tzeentch book that just came out and has 7 Daemon units alone, not counting the 3 Tzaangor units and the Acolytes which are mortals can be combined with the Slaves To Darkness range of 7 kits? None of that counting heroes, of course.
Stormcast might have more non-hero boxes than Sylvaneth or Bonesplittaz but they're far from the biggest. That goes to WHFB armies that made the transition without being broken apart like Seraphon or the Daemons. Most of the ones that were fractured aren't even expected to play within their own subfaction, so you might as well count all the High Aelf factions together as well, which brings them up there.
Mac V wrote:Umm.... You realize we're playing with toy soldiers, so.......
It's how I describe tabletop gaming to newcomers, so yes. But in this context, it's like saying people who play Total War and people who play Barbie Dreamtopia are all just playing vidja games.
I wonder if this is the news they were talking about in the Vanguard post or if we'll have more model release news in a few hours as well.
It's not what they were talking about in the Vanguard post, since they specifically said "... We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow..."
I also found out some old artwork (Ie: forth edition) of warhammer fantasy. Which just doesn't want to appear...
Thanks for posting these. AOS needs Blanche. I have been building a Stormcast army so I have leafed through the Stormcasts books numerous times. There is not a single piece of art I can recall. It is all technically very well made, but so bland and boring that nothing stands out.
I also found out some old artwork (Ie: forth edition) of warhammer fantasy. Which just doesn't want to appear...
Thanks for posting these. AOS needs Blanche. I have been building a Stormcast army so I have leafed through the Stormcasts books numerous times. There is not a single piece of art I can recall. It is all technically very well made, but so bland and boring that nothing stands out.
I tend to agree, with most of the art coming with AoS being very... cut and clean. Looking back at my old 5th or 6th edition rulebook, or my old Lizardmen books gives me a much darker, dirtier, and dangerous feel for the world. It's interesting to look at, compared to the stark colors and clean lines.
Alpharius wrote: Tzeentch and Nurgle used to be...diametrically opposed, like Khorne and Slaanesh, right?
What's happening?!?
As of the Disciples of Tzeentch battletome that dropped last week, they're still diametrically opposed to each other:
However, every Chaos God has his opposite, another whose nature is the antithesis of his own. For Tzeentch, that special foe is Nurgle. The Lord of Decay provides Tzeentch his fiercest rivalry. To Tzeentch’s hope and ambition, his demand for change, Nurgle counters with opposing ideologies – a resigned despair that accepts how things are, a willingness to not just be content with the base or mundane, but to actually wallowin it. In their endless battles, Tzeentch pits his ceaseless evolution against the stagnant loop of Nurgle’s closed cycle of life and death. Tzeentch, who delights in his carefully laid plans, is appalled to watch Nurgle’s slovenly and indiscriminate destruction, his jovial acceptance of the natural order. The two powers never miss an opportunity to match forces against one another, be it battles over boundaries in the Realm of Chaos, expansionist wars in the Mortal Realms or even political intrigues amongst the Cities of Sigmar.
GW just doesn't let the fluff get in the way of the artwork (if that is the final artwork, and not just a placeholder).
Alpharius wrote: Tzeentch and Nurgle used to be...diametrically opposed, like Khorne and Slaanesh, right?
What's happening?!?
I think the Khorne guys are dungeon enemies as well. The Slaughterpriest looks like he's ready to take a swing at the Corsair, and finish whatever was started when something took his leg off.
Might be all 3 of the currently active gods teaming up to take down one of Orders new cities?
Alpharius wrote: Tzeentch and Nurgle used to be...diametrically opposed, like Khorne and Slaanesh, right?
What's happening?!?
I think the Khorne guys are dungeon enemies as well. The Slaughterpriest looks like he's ready to take a swing at the Corsair, and finish whatever was started when something took his leg off.
Might be all 3 of the currently active gods teaming up to take down one of Orders new cities?
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I almost wonder if it's an expansion rather than a new game entirely. Perhaps a new campaign to expand the original game? New tile set?
All those models have rules already (via the card deck). There's really nothing new on display there.
Alpharius wrote: Tzeentch and Nurgle used to be...diametrically opposed, like Khorne and Slaanesh, right?
What's happening?!?
I think the Khorne guys are dungeon enemies as well. The Slaughterpriest looks like he's ready to take a swing at the Corsair, and finish whatever was started when something took his leg off.
Might be all 3 of the currently active gods teaming up to take down one of Orders new cities?
So anyone know what time they are supposed to drop more teasers for next months release? I know its supposed to be today, but its 6 PM in the UK, gotta wonder when theyre gonna release it.
Edit: I am an Idiot, thats what the silver tower is. Damn, was hoping for some gryph riders today.
Pity it wasn't Death themed like the rumors said but at least this means Silver Tower has a chance for yearly releases and will focus on the current AoS story arch. (So when Death gets it's due there's definitely going to be alot of happy undead fans)
The hint to use your Tzeentch forces and the "narrative" bit have me interested. Are they planning to make several releases before the game for a adventure leading into a huge city brawl?
Alpharius wrote: Tzeentch and Nurgle used to be...diametrically opposed, like Khorne and Slaanesh, right?
What's happening?!?
And so are slaanesh and khorne, which also appear in the box. On rare occassion they do ally against greater threats or gains. And think of it: Sigmar has secured two mortal realms and conquered swaths of the rest. When was the last time chaos EVER retroceded? Either in fantasy or 40k, whenever they gained something it was lost forever, yet in AoS we are seeing them fall back and fail to retake. The threat and balance of power have never been so real to the chaos gods.
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Baron Klatz wrote: Pity it wasn't Death themed like the rumors said but at least this means Silver Tower has a chance for yearly releases and will focus on the current AoS story arch. (So when Death gets it's due there's definitely going to be alot of happy undead fans)
The hint to use your Tzeentch forces and the "narrative" bit have me interested. Are they planning to make several releases before the game for a adventure leading into a huge city brawl?
In anycase, really looking forward to this.
Oh god, guys... do you imagine if Shadows Over Hammerhal becomes the new Mordheim?
Indeed, now chaos is fighting foes with a equal footing rather than mere mortals with some gunpowder & magic or a imperium with a corpse-god that's basically a lighthouse.
The bad part is that chaos is going to up it's game now instead of just playing around...
[Edit]: Haha, I thought of the Mordheim possibility on the Empire forum as well. If they release a bunch of mortal factions before the game's release then we'll have our anwser.
Hbbyaddict wrote: So anyone know what time they are supposed to drop more teasers for next months release? I know its supposed to be today, but its 6 PM in the UK, gotta wonder when theyre gonna release it.
Edit: I am an Idiot, thats what the silver tower is. Damn, was hoping for some gryph riders today.
They released the other Stormcast at 7PM yesterday, so I'm hoping for some news in about a half hour.
They said "PS: We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow. Check back then to find out what…", so I would imagine we'd see something else today. This WHQ won't be out next month I'd bet.
The chaos gods ally with each other all the time as part of the great game. Tzeentch-Nurgle do have a specific rivalry but that doesn't override everything, and armies with devotees of multiple gods exist all over the place in the fluff going back to WHFB.
Hbbyaddict wrote: So anyone know what time they are supposed to drop more teasers for next months release? I know its supposed to be today, but its 6 PM in the UK, gotta wonder when theyre gonna release it.
Edit: I am an Idiot, thats what the silver tower is. Damn, was hoping for some gryph riders today.
They released the other Stormcast at 7PM yesterday, so I'm hoping for some news in about a half hour.
They said "PS: We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow. Check back then to find out what…", so I would imagine we'd see something else today. This WHQ won't be out next month I'd bet.
Man, they make their community guys work late over at gw.
Hbbyaddict wrote: So anyone know what time they are supposed to drop more teasers for next months release? I know its supposed to be today, but its 6 PM in the UK, gotta wonder when theyre gonna release it.
Edit: I am an Idiot, thats what the silver tower is. Damn, was hoping for some gryph riders today.
They released the other Stormcast at 7PM yesterday, so I'm hoping for some news in about a half hour.
They said "PS: We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow. Check back then to find out what…", so I would imagine we'd see something else today. This WHQ won't be out next month I'd bet.
Man, they make their community guys work late over at gw.
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yeah, indeed! They are swamped. Those reveal videos in response to rumors/leaks...they are all made well afterhours there.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Shame there doesn't look to be any new models(or even alternate poses) in the new WHQ. But if it leads to a cheaper price I might consider a purchase.
There is bound to be new models, ( I hope) they just have not revealed them yet. We are basing judgement on a box art. Although I admit there are no obvious new models on it.
Just over the moon there is more warhammer quest!
Then again, this could just be a box of board tiles and dice with rules for using existing models in the game. It could also contain twelve empty sprues with instructions for converting them into the terrain shown in the box art. They said it was a long way off. I wouldn't make my purchasing decision based off of this announcement.
1. The box art is most likely to reflect the contents of the box. 2. The box art shows all existing hero models.
Therefore the box contains existing models.
The leap of logic would be to assume the opposite of that.
Exactly. I'm willing to bet a tenner that there will be now new models. It's obvious they would have been in the art if it was the case.
But as I said before, if they introduce some real campagin rules, and include stats for pretty much every models n the range (a la original WQ) this will be an instant buy from me, even if there's no new models. But unfortunately, I don't think it will be the case
I wonder if this is the news they were talking about in the Vanguard post or if we'll have more model release news in a few hours as well.
It's not what they were talking about in the Vanguard post, since they specifically said "... We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow..."
Nothing else up as yet(9.30pm UK time). Could the new WHQ box be coming sooner than we think?
I wonder if this is the news they were talking about in the Vanguard post or if we'll have more model release news in a few hours as well.
It's not what they were talking about in the Vanguard post, since they specifically said "... We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow..."
Nothing else up as yet(9.30pm UK time). Could the new WHQ box be coming sooner than we think?
No, because they state that "... This new set is a little ways off yet..." in the Warhammer Quest article.
I wonder if this is the news they were talking about in the Vanguard post or if we'll have more model release news in a few hours as well.
It's not what they were talking about in the Vanguard post, since they specifically said "... We have another reveal from next month’s releases tomorrow..."
Nothing else up as yet(9.30pm UK time). Could the new WHQ box be coming sooner than we think?
No, because they state that "... This new set is a little ways off yet..." in the Warhammer Quest article.
1. The box art is most likely to reflect the contents of the box.
2. The box art shows all existing hero models.
Therefore the box contains existing models.
The leap of logic would be to assume the opposite of that.
I doubt every model in the box is shown on the cover especially if this a full price release, although I can concede that it is likely that the models on the front are included and not new. But if full price I.e 95-100 quid surely there will be at least a couple of new mini's
Huh, I wonder if they are adding models for the Horrors, Flamers, or Screamers. Because all of those are price increases otherwise. First time that's happened on a repackage. Part of my is a bit annoyed because it could be a move to make the Start Collecting a better value.
Lame. I thought GW had stopped doing price hikes on existing kits. Pink Horrors went up $5. So did Screamers & Flamers. I could see the Screamers and Flamers going to 6 per box (which would be sweet) but I doubt it. Pink Horrors surely wouldn't get any more per box
Are we assuming that the Blue Horror box includes Brimstones as well?
Fingers crossed, maybe Flamers & Screamers are getting reboxed at 6 per box. After all, 6 infantry sized models for $25 is about right for tons of other kits. Flamers are not that much bigger than they other lesser Daemons that come 10 per box at $30.
It wouldn't be the first time an AoS repackage put 2 boxes worth into 1 at a discount (Crushers, Chaos Knights for example), although I am not sure those other boxes came with this much of a discount
Exactly. I'm willing to bet a tenner that there will be now new models. It's obvious they would have been in the art if it was the case.
But as I said before, if they introduce some real campagin rules, and include stats for pretty much every models n the range (a la original WQ) this will be an instant buy from me, even if there's no new models. But unfortunately, I don't think it will be the case
I wouldn't be so bold. It's been pointed out with the high collared individual in the background obscured by the logo might be the main nemesis.It's a similar position to the gaunt summoner in the ST cover art.
As for the new prices, well . So much for the new and improved GW if those are price hikes. This is a bad sign if they are price hikes. That means we can probably expect a normalizing (aka across the board price hikes) of all products in the future. I hope it means instead there are more models per box, but I'm not holding my breath.
Again, I REALLY doubt they are identical boxes with a higher price. Look at the other reboxings: all price decreases. Look at the new Lord of Change: exact same price as the Bloodthirster. I'm willing to bet these will have extra models in them.
Galef wrote: So I'm gonna put my prediction/hopes here for future reference:
Repacks:
$35 - 10 Pink Horrors with 32mm bases (ugh) and/or 10 Brimstone horrors (not fully committed to this, but its a nice idea)
$35 - 10 Blues & 10 Brims
$35 - 6 Screamers
$25 - 6 Flamers
I'm going to disagree with your Pink Horror prediction. Brimstones with the Pinks make no sense without Blues. I would say 20 Pinks in a box, but I would be more confident in that if the price was $40. We'll find out in two days who's right (or closest ).
I actually agree about Pinks and Brims not sharing a box, but 20 Pinks in a box for only $35 is just a bit too hard to believe. I wholeheartedly believe the Pink will stay at 10 per box, but will just get 32mm bases (which I hate for such weak models)
Exactly. I'm willing to bet a tenner that there will be now new models. It's obvious they would have been in the art if it was the case.
But as I said before, if they introduce some real campagin rules, and include stats for pretty much every models n the range (a la original WQ) this will be an instant buy from me, even if there's no new models. But unfortunately, I don't think it will be the case
I wouldn't be so bold. It's been pointed out with the high collared individual in the background obscured by the logo might be the main nemesis.It's a similar position to the gaunt summoner in the ST cover art.
As for the new prices, well . So much for the new and improved GW if those are price hikes. This is a bad sign if they are price hikes. That means we can probably expect a normalizing (aka across the board price hikes) of all products in the future. I hope it means instead there are more models per box, but I'm not holding my breath.
Might be true. I tought it was only a statue or something like that, but it might be the main nemesis
If this is a price increase, why would GW put the breaks on for all the good stuff they did last year and this year? Just look at Dakka Discussions about the "has GW gotten better". This will put a screeching hault to GW getting better.
Time will tell. This weekend we will find out if this is the case or not. Why cry and complain even before we know the full facts?
Davor wrote: If this is a price increase, why would GW put the breaks on for all the good stuff they did last year and this year? Just look at Dakka Discussions about the "has GW gotten better". This will put a screeching hault to GW getting better.
Time will tell. This weekend we will find out if this is the case or not. Why cry and complain even before we know the full facts?
Even if it is a price hike with no redeeming qualities, I somehow doubt a $6 increase on a single is going to turn everybody against the company.
Personally I think it's going to be updated with something but who knows.
Galef wrote: ... but 20 Pinks in a box for only $35 is just a bit too hard to believe.
I agree, but its almost as hard to believe that they're jacking up the price after all the price cuts they've done with their reboxings. Have we had an AoS reboxing where the per model price went up?
Davor wrote: If this is a price increase, why would GW put the breaks on for all the good stuff they did last year and this year? Just look at Dakka Discussions about the "has GW gotten better". This will put a screeching hault to GW getting better.
Time will tell. This weekend we will find out if this is the case or not. Why cry and complain even before we know the full facts?
Even if it is a price hike with no redeeming qualities, I somehow doubt a $6 increase on a single is going to turn everybody against the company.
Personally I think it's going to be updated with something but who knows.
It's not about price. It's about image. It's like, GW turned the boat around and not heading toward the cliff, let's resort to old practices that got us to the cliff in the first place. GW is trying to shed it's image of old. Why change now? Why go back to the old way? It just doesn't make sense.
Not sure if any AoS repacks have ever gone up in price, I only play 40K.
In either case, I won't be getting any Pinks. I'll be getting a couple boxes of Blues and paint a few of them Pink. I have never liked the size of the Pinks. I mean why is a T3 model about as big as a Space marine?
I am also going to split a few of the Brims to be 1 per base (with some extra flames) and paint them like pink and blue fire, like they are trying to imitate their big brothers.....and so I can get more models out of the box.
I'm fairly certain Screamers and Flamers will go 6 to a box, similar to how some of the 3-to-a-box Khorne stuff did.
The Pink Horror thing is a worry. Looking at the sprues there are 5 on one sprue, and then 5 on the other sprue, which also has the icon/instrument. They could be throwing in another of the 'generic' 5 model sprue to make it a box of 15.
Also consider that the Burning Chariot hasn't changed.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Looking at the sprues there are 5 on one sprue, and then 5 on the other sprue, which also has the icon/instrument. They could be throwing in another of the 'generic' 5 model sprue to make it a box of 15.
I had this thought at first as well, but then I realized that both sprues are molded as one (look at the 2 break points on the outside of each sprue). So I do not think this will be the case for Pinks
Davor wrote: If this is a price increase, why would GW put the breaks on for all the good stuff they did last year and this year? Just look at Dakka Discussions about the "has GW gotten better". This will put a screeching hault to GW getting better.
Time will tell. This weekend we will find out if this is the case or not. Why cry and complain even before we know the full facts?
Well GWs costs may well have gone up (brexit is hitting manufacturers especially) so price increases are certainly not out of the question,
new GW has a lower minimum margin than they used to under Kirby, but they'll still have a desired minimum
Davor wrote: If this is a price increase, why would GW put the breaks on for all the good stuff they did last year and this year? Just look at Dakka Discussions about the "has GW gotten better". This will put a screeching hault to GW getting better.
Time will tell. This weekend we will find out if this is the case or not. Why cry and complain even before we know the full facts?
Well GWs costs may well have gone up (brexit is hitting manufacturers especially) so price increases are certainly not out of the question,
new GW has a lower minimum margin than they used to under Kirby, but they'll still have a desired minimum
True, but then that is double dipping. If they only increased the GBP cost it would make sense. Here they are increasing the foreign costs so they get the improved exchange rate plus the price hike. Not liking it :(
To be clear not a single thing that's been reboxed for AoS has increased. ALL have stayed the same or decreased on a per model basis (i.e. more models for a discount over the old same number of models). It's why I'm hoping we're getting a model increase. Also it makes sense to make daemons relatively cheaper because they can be a bridge army between both games.
Fingers crossed for 6 screamers and 6 flamers for the price bump (Both are reasonable for the actual model count). Not sure what they would do for the pinks though.
Expect the price per model to go down. I don't know about the other boxes but I know that the blue horrors' box will also come with ten brimstone horrors. All for 25 euros. It's not the whole batch but to me it's an indicative at the very least.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
Probably to be repackaged for a rebasing and possible launch of the "Wanderers" range, if I had to guess. He's one of the models that would be easy to rebase as he doesn't have an integrated base.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
I'm still predicting Aelves will be the next major AoS release even before Duardin. I'm going to count this as evidence of that and predict this will be the Leader model in an upcoming Aelf SC box.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
I'm still predicting Aelves will be the next major AoS release even before Duardin. I'm going to count this as evidence of that and predict this will be the Leader model in an upcoming Aelf SC box.
Nomad Prince has a faction. It's Wanderers.
I don't think Wanderers are going to get a Start Collecting set, if I'm going to be honest.
I wouldn't be so bold. It's been pointed out with the high collared individual in the background obscured by the logo might be the main nemesis.It's a similar position to the gaunt summoner in the ST cover art.
Looks like a Stormcast statue to me, it even has a twin tailed comet badge.
I'm still predicting Aelves will be the next major AoS release even before Duardin.
'Bout time.
I'm going to count this as evidence of that and predict this will be the Leader model in an upcoming Aelf SC box.
Repackaged wood elves, do you think? Or anything new? (I'm still, after all this time, waiting for reasonable updates of HE archers. And non-fishy spearmen.)
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
You want to give one a quill and make some extra books and scrolls. Mine looks better for it.
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
That could have been why the Burning Chariot went 'Sold Out' before the other Tzeentchian plastics. Maybe a minor recut of the sprues specifically for that reason? We'll see soon.
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
That could have been why the Burning Chariot went 'Sold Out' before the other Tzeentchian plastics. Maybe a minor recut of the sprues specifically for that reason? We'll see soon.
No. It's just going to be an reboxing. Plastic moulding doesn't lend itself to minor recuts.
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
That could have been why the Burning Chariot went 'Sold Out' before the other Tzeentchian plastics. Maybe a minor recut of the sprues specifically for that reason? We'll see soon.
I doubt they would recut the sprue for such a small thing. However, including 3 bases, one Oval for the chariot, 32mm for the Herald and another 32 or 40mm for a lone Disc, plus an updated version of the instructions including a way to assemble the Scribes could be feasible.
I expect P'tarix and Xirap't are coming in plastic.
Blue Scribes already have a plastic model. It's called the Burning Chariot kit
Just assemble the disc with all the books and put 2 of the Blues on it. Done
A change Tzeentch approves!
Love the DoTBT, the fluff blurb about everyone in a crowd looking on as some Stormcast attempt to arrest a suspected heretic is neat. I guess the SC will be taking up guard roles in the cities. I can see the Tempest Lords naturally taking political and policing roles but chambers like the Celestial Vindicators, I can't see them taking much interest in hanging around cities.
I also found a particular piece of artwork interesting, where the fire wizard is dueling with the tzeentch wizard. The fire mage looks very dwarfish in the face but it's interesting to see the Freeguild soldier at the bottom in the normal Empire garb. I thought GW would want to avoid showing humans until they know what aesthetic to go for, that is if they are changing it at all. Perhaps they are and keeping the old look as well. Who knows, thought it was interesting to see anyway.
A kit I would love to see is Realm kits. Just a box of bits and basing stuff dedicated to each realm. Beast pelts and skulls for Ghur. Torches, lava bases and water canisters for Aqshy. Leaves, branches, wooden staves etc for Ghyran, just something to help people customise their army to a particular realm, without having to release Freeguild kits for each realm, not that wouldn't be awesome of course.
Here's another thought. The Burning Chariot's price is unchanged. Could they be slipping in a small sprue like THIS and would they be able to add enough extra components to make the Blue Scribes?
Ghaz wrote: Here's another thought. The Burning Chariot's price is unchanged. Could they be slipping in a small sprue like THIS and would they be able to add enough extra components to make the Blue Scribes?
While I don't think they would do this for the Blue Scibes, that does bring up an interesting thought:
What if they make a mini sprue like this for Brimstone Horror Pairs? With say, 4-5 pairs on each sprue? We already know that the new LoC has Brims on it's base. What if they don't actually come on his sprue, but on their own? Maybe they are doing them like Nid Rippers.
If so, then I might amend my prediction to this: 10 Pinks with a single Brimstone sprue 20 Blues with 10-15 Brims LoC with a single Brimstone sprue
Ghaz wrote: Here's another thought. The Burning Chariot's price is unchanged. Could they be slipping in a small sprue like THIS and would they be able to add enough extra components to make the Blue Scribes?
While I don't think they would do this for the Blue Scibes...
They essentially did just that to make the AoS Tzaangors suitable for 40K, so it's not unprecedented.
Galef wrote: What if they make a mini sprue like this for Brimstone Horror Pairs? With say, 4-5 pairs on each sprue?
We already know that the new LoC has Brims on it's base. What if they don't actually come on his sprue, but on their own?
Maybe they are doing them like Nid Rippers.
If so, then I might amend my prediction to this:
10 Pinks with a single Brimstone sprue
20 Blues with 10-15 Brims
LoC with a single Brimstone sprue
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Brimstone Horrors are small enough that they should be able to fit them into the sprues in spaces that are too small to hold a larger component.
Brimstone Horrors are small enough that they should be able to fit them into the sprues in spaces that are too small to hold a larger component.
Oh, for sure. That's how Tyranid Rippers are done. Some come in like 4 different boxes just squeezed somewhere in the sprues of those kits. But the Tzaangor 40K sprue got me thinking that maybe they'd do a Brimstone spure that they could just sprinkle into several boxes
I'm not saying I like this idea, but I could see GW doing this. I'd actually be pissed if they just put 5 Brimstone pairs in each box and that was the reason for the price bump.
Ghaz wrote: Here's another thought. The Burning Chariot's price is unchanged. Could they be slipping in a small sprue like THIS and would they be able to add enough extra components to make the Blue Scribes?
While I don't think they would do this for the Blue Scibes, that does bring up an interesting thought:
What if they make a mini sprue like this for Brimstone Horror Pairs? With say, 4-5 pairs on each sprue?
We already know that the new LoC has Brims on it's base. What if they don't actually come on his sprue, but on their own?
Maybe they are doing them like Nid Rippers.
If so, then I might amend my prediction to this:
10 Pinks with a single Brimstone sprue
20 Blues with 10-15 Brims
LoC with a single Brimstone sprue
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Your prediction on the blue horros is wrong. For 35 dollars (well, my LGS-guy said 25 euros, but you get the gist) you get 10 blue horros and 10 brimstones.
Lord Kragan wrote: Ehm... they have actually depicted humans from godbeasts (may-april) and onwards. Not too often but depicted them nonetheless.
Weren't they more of the fanatics though? Besides those Aqshy fellas were living underground in fear so they aint gonna be decked out in military uniforms. I was talking more of the soldiers, it will be interesting to see what the Azyr military in particular looks like considering most of what we have seen of Azyrheim does not really fit the current Empire models in terms of style, of course a more blue/white scheme would probably suffice.
Lord Kragan wrote: Ehm... they have actually depicted humans from godbeasts (may-april) and onwards. Not too often but depicted them nonetheless.
Weren't they more of the fanatics though? Besides those Aqshy fellas were living underground in fear so they aint gonna be decked out in military uniforms. I was talking more of the soldiers, it will be interesting to see what the Azyr military in particular looks like considering most of what we have seen of Azyrheim does not really fit the current Empire models in terms of style, of course a more blue/white scheme would probably suffice.
Then again most people from Azyrheim is likely to be a descendant of the inhabitants of the Empire. Still I'd love to see new aesthetics. Not generic please.
streetsamurai wrote: My AOS fluff-fu is waek, but Wasn't every mortals destroyed and were only recreated afterward bu the gods?
If that's the case, they are not any descendant of the old empire (bar maybe Sigmar)
Not exactly. "Bodies", so to speak, were indeed destroyed. But souls and the like were kept intact, floating in the void that laid in during the period between the destruction of the World That Was and the Moment Dracothion decided to dust off his lazy-shiny ass to rebuild the universe and put things into place. Then Sigmar began his search for the other gods and found said souls, proceeding to give them back the bodies they had lost through... some means, the books aren't really exact on how it went by. Aelfs went through a similar procedure, though most of their kin was trapped inside Slaanesh's gut. Tyrion, Teclis and Malerion would eventually rescue them, re-enacting elven dickery: whole worlds burned as the forces of chaos triumphed so the elves could save their kin.
Your prediction on the blue horros is wrong. For 35 dollars (well, my LGS-guy said 25 euros, but you get the gist) you get 10 blue horros and 10 brimstones.
Did your LGS guy give the numbers on the Pink Horrors, Screamers, or Flamers? Apologies if you already mentioned this, did a quick skim and didn't see it.
Your prediction on the blue horros is wrong. For 35 dollars (well, my LGS-guy said 25 euros, but you get the gist) you get 10 blue horros and 10 brimstones.
Did your LGS guy give the numbers on the Pink Horrors, Screamers, or Flamers? Apologies if you already mentioned this, did a quick skim and didn't see it.
He sent us a caption of the releases, though he just showed the names of LoC (90 euros), the changeling (25 euros) Start colecting( same as usual but, according to said caption we get 10 pink horros, 3 screamers and flamers, an herald and a chariot) and the blue horror box (which says that you'll be able to make 10 blue horros and 10 brimstone horrors. 25 euros all together
So no answer on the the other boxes. The SC box doesn't verify the contents of the others. There are other SC boxes with only half of a box of figures.
Still, I would bet money at this point it's a direct price increase. Baring any new spru I don't see any other explanation.
That would make the SC box discount rather slim. $87,50 by my math (USD prices), which would only be a $2,50 discount... Or if there's some plastic herald I overlooked 2,50 + $heraldprice which is still less than any other sc box.
IMO this basically confirms the price rise on reboxing but hey let's hope I'm wrong
Bolognesus wrote: That would make the SC box discount rather slim. $87,50 by my math (USD prices), which would only be a $2,50 discount... Or if there's some plastic herald I overlooked 2,50 + $heraldprice which is still less than any other sc box.
IMO this basically confirms the price rise on reboxing but hey let's hope I'm wrong
Your math is waaaaay off I'd say. Going on american dollars we have:
Yeah, that kinda confirms a price hike on those models as the savings on the box drops to $15 if they doubled up the screamers and flamers. That's a bit sad. But then again tzeentch was in a funny place of not having an expensive elite choice like khorne and nurgle. Guess we'll have to see.
streetsamurai wrote: the herald foot is part of the chariot. Unless they release a new clampack (which I seriously doubt)
*shrugs* the image DOES mention them as separate entities. Since I haven't bought daemons ever I don't know if it comes as a separate base or not.
Nevertheless we are looking at something like 33-35 dollar savings if I'm not too mistaken, better than start collecting space marines (27), space wolves (31) or necrons (28,75).
Perhaps not the best but not even close to the worst.
EDIT: oh, true. Well, we shall wait and see, shall we?
streetsamurai wrote: the herald foot is part of the chariot. Unless they release a new clampack (which I seriously doubt)
*shrugs* the image DOES mention them as separate entities. Since I haven't bought daemons ever I don't know if it comes as a separate base or not.
Yes, he does come with a separate base according to the product description:
Though this kit can be made into variants, should you equip your model with the Exalted Flamer, you are provided with a base to make the Herald of Tzeentch on foot.
Tyrion, Teclis and Malerion would eventually rescue them, re-enacting elven dickery: whole worlds burned as the forces of chaos triumphed so the elves could save their kin.
In their defense Sigmar did still have Nagash as a major ally at the time so probably thought they'd be able to hold the line together and that Nagash would bend the rules for Sigmar's fallen people.
Didn't work out that way, unfortunately.
As for the Empire uniforms, that seems to be a strong color-scheme due to Sigmar's influence over the people in Azyrheim and his memories/studies of the World-that-was. They retained alot of the heraldry as well(though with new titles) due to honoring those ancient warriors that battled chaos.
Though, as the vanguard have shown, the Azyrheim forces will eventually take cues from the mortal realms and adjust their uniforms accordingly.
Oh, also, it got washed away in the flood of recent news but I'd just like to say I love Blanche's artworks.
His style is surreal but it makes you feel like your genuinely staring into another world.
Bolognesus wrote: That would make the SC box discount rather slim. $87,50 by my math (USD prices), which would only be a $2,50 discount... Or if there's some plastic herald I overlooked 2,50 + $heraldprice which is still less than any other sc box.
IMO this basically confirms the price rise on reboxing but hey let's hope I'm wrong
Your math is waaaaay off I'd say. Going on american dollars we have:
That alone comes to 89.75 dollars, then there's the 29 dollars of the horrors and the cost of the herald on foot.
No mate, new prices are 25 for flamers, 35 for screamers, 35 for pinkies. If that's 6,6,20 a box as previously suggested (since apparently GW price rises are unthinkable now ) add those up and divide them by two, then add the cost of the chariot which includes the herald. Presto, just $87,50. Now assuming they do raise prices, it comes to $135. Which is about right. So yeah, flamers, screamers and pink horrors are getting a price bump.
Something that I thought of. We keep thinking they'll get the chaos knights treatment (ie: doubled up) but what if they get the chaos warriors treatment? The current box went from twelve to sixteen, they added an additional sprue and didn't double the size. MAAAAYBE we are getting 4 screamers instead of three.
Bolognesus wrote: That would make the SC box discount rather slim. $87,50 by my math (USD prices), which would only be a $2,50 discount... Or if there's some plastic herald I overlooked 2,50 + $heraldprice which is still less than any other sc box.
IMO this basically confirms the price rise on reboxing but hey let's hope I'm wrong
Your math is waaaaay off I'd say. Going on american dollars we have:
That alone comes to 89.75 dollars, then there's the 29 dollars of the horrors and the cost of the herald on foot.
No mate, new prices are 25 for flamers, 35 for screamers, 35 for pinkies. If that's 6,6,20 a box as previously suggested (since apparently GW price rises are unthinkable now ) add those up and divide them by two, then add the cost of the chariot which includes the herald. Presto, just $87,50. Now assuming they do raise prices, it comes to $135. Which is about right. So yeah, flamers, screamers and pink horrors are getting a price bump.
Or they aren't being doubled up. Pink horrors are basic infantry, none of the current boxes got doubled up: saurus warriors went from 12 to sixteen, same as chaos warriors.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I'm not sure the Screamer and Flamer sprues are designed in a way that would make a 4 man box possible without a recut and redesign.
Screamers wouldn't work as anything other than multiples of three. With Flamers it looks like you could do a four model kit, but you'd have half a sprue that you would never use.
Galef wrote: I had this thought at first as well, but then I realized that both sprues are molded as one (look at the 2 break points on the outside of each sprue). So I do not think this will be the case for Pinks
Ah yeah I didn't consider that. Good catch.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
Damned shame that. It was a mini I really wanted for Silver Tower, but it's been unavailable for a while.
Ghaz wrote: That could have been why the Burning Chariot went 'Sold Out' before the other Tzeentchian plastics. Maybe a minor recut of the sprues specifically for that reason? We'll see soon.
There's no such thing as a 'minor recut' of a sprue. It's 'Sold Out' for a change of packaging, and it's returning at the same price. It's possible they market it as the Blue Scribes with a new set of instructions that tells you to just put the Blues on the Disc, but this ain't a new mini.
Well, fortunately we'll know for sure in less than 48 hours Game store owner was pretty stoked tonight though. Tzaanguary continues. We're even happy that the LoC/Kairos is only $115. yeah, how weird to be celebrating a model for being $115.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
Damned shame that. It was a mini I really wanted for Silver Tower, but it's been unavailable for a while.
Really?
Weird. I'll have to check and see if my local shop got a few more in for stock, as I want one.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
Damned shame that. It was a mini I really wanted for Silver Tower, but it's been unavailable for a while.
He's still available in the Australia online store so go ahead and grab one while its still there.
Ghaz wrote: Hmm. The plastic kit for Araloth (aka the Nomad Prince) seems to have gone out of production and is no longer available in either the US or UK.
Damned shame that. It was a mini I really wanted for Silver Tower, but it's been unavailable for a while.
He's still available in the Australia online store so go ahead and grab one while its still there.
And pay Australian prices? Good God man, I have a mortgage to pay!!!
Poor Araloth, I guess that would be the final say that Lileath's haven was indeed destroyed. (Unless some kind of repackaging happens soon.)
Alpharius wrote: All this awesome Tzeentch stuff is REALLY making me miss the old WFB Old World setting!
You can always play them in the Old World if you want.
8.5 on the eefl (eighth edition for life) site is constantly updating to use new AoS stuff in the rank-and-file, you just need to supply the square bases.
Then there's always Total War Warhammer, of course.
Ghaz wrote:Here's another thought. The Burning Chariot's price is unchanged. Could they be slipping in a small sprue like THIS and would they be able to add enough extra components to make the Blue Scribes?
I doubt a unique character would become available as part of another kit. If anything they could add screamer tails and bases so you can make a disc plus 2 screamers. I doubt that too.
They'll probably just remove the squares and add a base for the exalted flamer.
Edit: possibly bases for the blue horrors to be on foot too.
The Burning Chariot kit won't have instructions for making the Blue Scribes.
Why?
Because the bits that the disc rests on (either the magic-y swirls for the Herald or the flames for the Exalted Flamer) have the tails for the screamers modeled into them. That disc is NOT designed to be used without the screamers pulling it.
Because the bits that the disc rests on (either the magic-y swirls for the Herald or the flames for the Exalted Flamer) have the tails for the screamers modeled into them. That disc is NOT designed to be used without the screamers pulling it.
The fire and "swirly stuff" come in parts. The bit that connects to the disc part is a separate part that you glue/stick next to the parts integrated with scrrames tails.
Because the bits that the disc rests on (either the magic-y swirls for the Herald or the flames for the Exalted Flamer) have the tails for the screamers modeled into them. That disc is NOT designed to be used without the screamers pulling it.
The fire and "swirly stuff" come in parts. The bit that connects to the disc part is a separate part that you glue/stick next to the parts integrated with scrrames tails.
Exactly. There are 3 parts to each. The 'swirly stuff' and flames each have screamer tails molded into them, but the 3rd part is a piece that attaches to the disc and it does NOT have any connection to the tails. And there are 2 inner discs for the kit as well
So with absolutely not cutting (other than off the sprue) you can make 1 Burning Chariot, 1 Herald on foot, and 1 Blue Scibes. Best $40 a Tzeentch player can spend.
The E-flamer would have to forgo the outer-ring disc so that the Scribe could attach all the books.
Ghaz wrote: That could have been why the Burning Chariot went 'Sold Out' before the other Tzeentchian plastics. Maybe a minor recut of the sprues specifically for that reason? We'll see soon.
There's no such thing as a 'minor recut' of a sprue. It's 'Sold Out' for a change of packaging, and it's returning at the same price. It's possible they market it as the Blue Scribes with a new set of instructions that tells you to just put the Blues on the Disc, but this ain't a new mini.
The 'new' Tzeentch Magister was revised from having a square base to a textured piece. Changing a die isn't ideal, but it isn't as hard as people seem to think it is.
That being said, I would put money on the Chariot just getting new trade dress.
Alpharius wrote: All this awesome Tzeentch stuff is REALLY making me miss the old WFB Old World setting!
I've been wondering a lot on how I would feel if somehow the Old World was reformed to an habitable planet but just became another planet like the Realms. Same geography etc but obviously there's no Altdorf like it used to be.
New Lord of Change will come with some cool different options, 5 different heads, two wing positions. Designer chat really interesting, so much detail in the model
Really looking forward to the lord of change.. don't even play tzeentch or even chaos at all, but it's such a nice model, not gonna be able to resist it.
Thebiggesthat wrote: New Lord of Change will come with some cool different options, 5 different heads, two wing positions. Designer chat really interesting, so much detail in the model
Interesting, where did you see that?
Don't tell me that GW is once again trying to make us pay to watch their infomercials?
Thebiggesthat wrote: New Lord of Change will come with some cool different options, 5 different heads, two wing positions. Designer chat really interesting, so much detail in the model
Interesting, where did you see that?
Don't tell me that GW is once again trying to make us pay to watch their infomercials?
It was on their twitch channel. When they interviewed the sculptor in question. You just missed it.
Damn them. GW is really making everything possible to make me lose interest in their products.
Some of us have a job and can't watch a vid whenever they feel like gracing us with some tidbits. Would it be so complicated to put the videos on youtube or on their website like every decent company does?
streetsamurai wrote: Damn them. GW is really making everything possible to make me lose interest in their products.
Some of us have a job and can't watch a vid whenever they feel like gracing us with some tidbits. Would it be so complicated to put it on youtube or on their website like every decent company does?
Considering those are 4-5 hours long videos, scheduled on a 3-days-per-week basis... Nope. Plus I know of plenty of companies that do put a paywall on their content. If 5 dollars a months is bankbreaking it's a bad sign.
Most of these vids are battle report and things like that. I'm talking about the promotionnal vids they are putting. I don't care about 5$. But I have enough decency to not encourage a company that try to make me pay to watch a commercial (unlike some others)
streetsamurai wrote: Most of these vids are battle report and things like that. I'm talking about the promotionnal vids they are putting. I don't care about 5$. But I have enough decency to not encourage a company that try to make me pay to watch a commercial (unlike some others)
Last time I checked 30+ minutes interviews weren't really commercials. Said commercials are already posted for free in warhammer tv's youtube channel.
Showing your ignorance once again. They are numerous informercials that are around or longer than 30 minutes. It' s rather sad to see the extent you'll go to to defend GW. They are not your friend. They are a corporation.
streetsamurai wrote: Showing your ignorance once again. They are numerous informercials that are around or longer than 30 minutes. It' s rather sad to see the extent you'll go to to defend GW. They are not your friend. They are a corporation.
And at this point I can't help but feel you're missing the irony. For someone who goes on to speak on the ignorance of others (on a rather entitled fashion dare I say) you missed a point you yourself have mentioned.
They are a company, and therefore they are free to charge you for stuff. And I repeat myself: if, for paying 5 dollars a months in order to get a lot of content (which the "infomercials"-which this really wasn't as they were speaking of plenty other topics aside from the sculpt- are but a small part of), you feel there's something wrong, there's indeed something wrong but not on the place you think about.
Alpharius wrote: All this awesome Tzeentch stuff is REALLY making me miss the old WFB Old World setting!
I've been wondering a lot on how I would feel if somehow the Old World was reformed to an habitable planet but just became another planet like the Realms. Same geography etc but obviously there's no Altdorf like it used to be.
Haha, I actually had a similar thought with chaos keeping the crust of the planet and putting people on it to build their civilizations without realizing their world is now like the Darkest Dungeon's world.
Darkest Dungeon Spoiler:
Spoiler:
That world is actually hollow and home to a slumbering old god known as "the heart of the world" which is mass of flesh, bones and eyes that resembles a heart with a human growingbout of it. When it finally awakens it will destroy the world and reclaim the flesh of man that originally came from it.
So same thing with the Old World but more of a world egg and their emotions are being used to feed the slumbering daemon.
streetsamurai wrote: Showing your ignorance once again. They are numerous informercials that are around or longer than 30 minutes. It' s rather sad to see the extent you'll go to to defend GW. They are not your friend. They are a corporation.
And at this point I can't help but feel you're missing the irony. For someone who goes on to speak on the ignorance of others (on a rather entitled fashion dare I say) you missed a point you yourself have mentioned.
They are a company, and therefore they are free to charge you for stuff. And I repeat myself: if, for paying 5 dollars a months in order to get a lot of content (which the "infomercials"-which this really wasn't as they were speaking of plenty other topics aside from the sculpt- are but a small part of), you feel there's something wrong, there's indeed something wrong but not on the place you think about.
They are free to do so, but I'm free to criticize them for it. Which is something you seems to have a lot of trouble accepting. Accepting to pay to watch informercials will only encourage GW to use the kind or pratices (micro-transaction). It's sad how kids nowadays have lost every notions of consumer activism
I don't pay for the infomercials. I pay for the battle-reports. It's also sad that sometimes people forget about preferences and the fact that this can be free if you watch it at the right time. This is how twitch works and has done so for years. You see micro-transaction I see product bundling.
Numerous Twitch channels offer their previous videos for free. Even charging to make us see their battle reports is a micro-transaction. And it's unsurprising that you see this in a positive light. You seem to be completely incapable of criticizing GW, and always feel the need to defend them against any (slight) criticisms that they received.
I wish I got this kind of micro-transactions as a rule. 60 hours of content for 5 dollars/euros a month? Most micro-transactions satisfy themselves with a skin or a two minutes-worth benefit. Main reason I stopped playing MMOs was because they were becoming too prevalent and I didn't want to fork out that cash.
Both valid points tbh, yes a company could offer these videos to us for free and just put them on youtube. Then again it's a small monthly fee for anyone who does want to support this.
For people who want to pay, they can watch to their heart's content. For people like me and others, who don't pay, can watch it free as it happens or just rely on screen caps and transcripts, I wouldn't call GW greedy devils for doing it.
For people who want to pay, they can watch to their heart's content. For people like me and others, who don't pay, can watch it free as it happens or just rely on screen caps and transcripts, I wouldn't call GW greedy devils for doing it.
It's still whales vs. casuals, though. And you're not even getting a game out of it - it's GW monetising their marketing, you paying them so they can advertise at you. It's White Dwarf talkies.
If you're not paying for it, is it worth taking time off work or getting up at whatever o'clock in your timezone to see? Are screen caps and transcripts
just as good?
Still really puzzled by the sold out Judicators on the UK and other EU sites as there listed as no longer available, with no email when back in stock option. If there getting reboxed what could GW be changing?
well there were those rumours around when AoS was just launching that GW was planning to prevent the SKU bloat of the old fantasy range by dropping stuff when they stopped selling (as well)
so this could be a sign that that is indeed going to be the case with the new weird vertical X-bow shooty sigmarites coming out as replacements that new players will get without knowing there was ever anything else and at least some of the established player base will pick up to have the new thing too
Because the bits that the disc rests on (either the magic-y swirls for the Herald or the flames for the Exalted Flamer) have the tails for the screamers modeled into them. That disc is NOT designed to be used without the screamers pulling it.
The fire and "swirly stuff" come in parts. The bit that connects to the disc part is a separate part that you glue/stick next to the parts integrated with scrrames tails.
Exactly. There are 3 parts to each. The 'swirly stuff' and flames each have screamer tails molded into them, but the 3rd part is a piece that attaches to the disc and it does NOT have any connection to the tails. And there are 2 inner discs for the kit as well
So with absolutely not cutting (other than off the sprue) you can make 1 Burning Chariot, 1 Herald on foot, and 1 Blue Scibes. Best $40 a Tzeentch player can spend.
The E-flamer would have to forgo the outer-ring disc so that the Scribe could attach all the books.
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Could you do that on your own? Sure. But the idea that GW would include instructions for it still doesn't work, because that would assume that GW include a flying stand that isn't already there. And given their recent trend of moving away from flying stands, I find this unlikely.
Because the bits that the disc rests on (either the magic-y swirls for the Herald or the flames for the Exalted Flamer) have the tails for the screamers modeled into them. That disc is NOT designed to be used without the screamers pulling it.
The fire and "swirly stuff" come in parts. The bit that connects to the disc part is a separate part that you glue/stick next to the parts integrated with scrrames tails.
Exactly. There are 3 parts to each. The 'swirly stuff' and flames each have screamer tails molded into them, but the 3rd part is a piece that attaches to the disc and it does NOT have any connection to the tails. And there are 2 inner discs for the kit as well
So with absolutely not cutting (other than off the sprue) you can make 1 Burning Chariot, 1 Herald on foot, and 1 Blue Scibes. Best $40 a Tzeentch player can spend.
The E-flamer would have to forgo the outer-ring disc so that the Scribe could attach all the books.
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Could you do that on your own? Sure. But the idea that GW would include instructions for it still doesn't work, because that would assume that GW include a flying stand that isn't already there. And given their recent trend of moving away from flying stands, I find this unlikely.
Flying stand? What are you talking about? There are 2 pieces that support the disc in the box, not including the screamer tail pieces. 1 Flame piece for the Burning chariot, and 1 swirly magic piece for the Scribes/Herald on disc.
I just got a Chariot kit recently and I made 1 E-Flamer chariot, 1 Disc Heralds, 1 Icon Horror (out of the blue + staff from the kit). No flying stand or greenstuff needed.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Cool article. I just opened my Flaming Chariot so I'll keep it in mind.
In other news, we know someone has the WD, so why do we not have confirmed contents for the higher priced Screamers/Flamers/Pink Horrors?
There's this POST from MongooseMatt who said his GW rep says there's no changes
We'll find out for sure in about seventeen hours...
If it really is an actual price hike then no one in there right mind would buy them individually over the Start Collecting! set, which is no doubt their plan...
H.B.M.C. wrote: Cool article. I just opened my Flaming Chariot so I'll keep it in mind.
In other news, we know someone has the WD, so why do we not have confirmed contents for the higher priced Screamers/Flamers/Pink Horrors?
There's this POST from MongooseMatt who said his GW rep says there's no changes
We'll find out for sure in about seventeen hours...
If it really is an actual price hike then no one in there right mind would buy them individually over the Start Collecting! set, which is no doubt their plan...
It depends on what you need. I'm doing 2,000 points of mainly Tzaangors with two minimum size units of Screamers, so a Start Collecting box wouldn't make sense for me.
H.B.M.C. wrote: For real? Just a straight up price rise for... nothing?
Yeah, GW sure is "getting better". Rebox some miniatures and raise the price.
Cmon man, they used to just raise the prices for no reason, we got new box art! And yes I did just swallow that vomit the hurled its way into my mouth when I typed that.
NinthMusketeer wrote: If a price increase on a few boxes is all it takes to spoil this release then you didn't want to like it in the first place.
Translation: You'll pay the prices are you'll like it! GW are the best and can do no wrong. It's a shame the prices aren't going up even more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
Just no.
It's the same product, for a significantly increased price. It's the opposite of value, and it's just proof that this "getting better" nonsense is just that: NONSENSE.
NinthMusketeer wrote: If a price increase on a few boxes is all it takes to spoil this release then you didn't want to like it in the first place.
Translation: You'll pay the prices are you'll like it! GW are the best and can do no wrong. It's a shame the prices aren't going up even more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
Just no.
It's the same product, for a significantly increased price. It's the opposite of value, and it's just proof that this "getting better" nonsense is just that: NONSENSE.
Well I suppose I can now rest assured that you are overreacting instead of assuming such.
Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year. Even on price alone they have released a ton of boxes with savings of up to 50% and it doesn't look like they're stopping that anytime soon.
Mymearan wrote: Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year.
It does, however, show that they definitely still haven't let go of their past ways when it comes to pricing.
Hell when was the last time we got an actual price rise on old release (ie. not a completely new, updated sprue and kit for an older model/unit)? It must've been way back when Kirby was in charge before AoS was even released. Was it the Eldar Dire Avengers after their rebox to a 5 strong box rather than the previous 10 man?
Mymearan wrote: Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year.
So by raising some prices now, they actually make things better!
Sorry, what? If that's a snarky comment I don't get it. Are you disagreeing with me?
No, I really think by raising prices it's great news!
That's an ignore I guess? I assume you think you're being funny... great way to behave if you like mocking people and stifling discussion.
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Mymearan wrote: Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year.
It does, however, show that they definitely still haven't let go of their past ways when it comes to pricing.
Hell when was the last time we got an actual price rise on old release (ie. not a completely new, updated sprue and kit for an older model/unit)? It must've been way back when Kirby was in charge before AoS was even released.
Was it the Eldar Dire Avengers after their rebox to a 5 strong box rather than the previous 10 man?
Yeah the Dire Avengers was one of the more egregious examples in the last few years. The lacklustre Eldar Start Collecting (edit: actually not SC but the recent Infantry+transport box) really shows this, it's the only one with only 5 Infantry and a vehicle. I can't remember when the last time was, every AoS reboxings so far has been a price decrease. Hopefully this isn't the start of a new trend but rather an exception.
To be honest, the fact that they try to charge us a few bucks to have the silver tower rules of some insanely priced miniatures,was a good enough proof for me that they haven't really changed.
It is unfortunate to see those prices go up. The battletome, the skyfires and the acolytes are all reasonably priced, so it is surprising. I imagine the are trying to encourage purchases of the start collecting set, as the more expensive boxes are all in that set and make it look a better deal.
streetsamurai wrote: To be honest, the fact that they try to charge us a few bucks to have the silver tower rules of some insanely priced miniatures, is a good enough proof for me that they haven't really changed.
Do you think you'll eventually leave the hobby due to price rises? I don't want to get my hopes up but thought I'd ask. Same question to the two Aussie Backslap brigade Joyboozer and HBMC
streetsamurai wrote: To be honest, the fact that they try to charge us a few bucks to have the silver tower rules of some insanely priced miniatures, is a good enough proof for me that they haven't really changed.
Do you think you'll eventually leave the hobby due to price rises? I don't want to get my hopes up but thought I'd ask. Same question to the two Aussie Backslap brigade Joyboozer and HBMC
To be fair, Australia/NZ definitely has more reason than the rest of us to have an issue with pricing. It's crazy expensive there.
My guess is that they try to augment the base of player of AOS, so that's why their recent release are moderately priced. They don't have the same issue for 40k, so kits that can be used for 40k are still absurdely priced (for example, the tzaangors, which can be used in both settings, are by far the worst deal in the recent DOT release)
streetsamurai wrote: To be honest, the fact that they try to charge us a few bucks to have the silver tower rules of some insanely priced miniatures, is a good enough proof for me that they haven't really changed.
Do you think you'll eventually leave the hobby due to price rises? I don't want to get my hopes up but thought I'd ask. Same question to the two Aussie Backslap brigade Joyboozer and HBMC
Why the frag do you care?
For the answer. No. I have a very good salary, and I've been in the hobby for 2 decades. These price rises don't affect me much.
Mymearan wrote: Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year.
So by raising some prices now, they actually make things better!
Sorry, what? If that's a snarky comment I don't get it. Are you disagreeing with me?
No, I really think by raising prices it's great news!
That's an ignore I guess? I assume you think you're being funny... great way to behave if you like mocking people and stifling discussion.
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Mymearan wrote: Price rises on three reboxings would be gakky, but I'd doesn't suddenly undo everything they've done right the past year.
It does, however, show that they definitely still haven't let go of their past ways when it comes to pricing.
Hell when was the last time we got an actual price rise on old release (ie. not a completely new, updated sprue and kit for an older model/unit)? It must've been way back when Kirby was in charge before AoS was even released.
Was it the Eldar Dire Avengers after their rebox to a 5 strong box rather than the previous 10 man?
Yeah the Dire Avengers was one of the more egregious examples in the last few years. The lacklustre Eldar Start Collecting (edit: actually not SC but the recent Infantry+transport box) really shows this, it's the only one with only 5 Infantry and a vehicle. I can't remember when the last time was, every AoS reboxings so far has been a price decrease. Hopefully this isn't the start of a new trend but rather an exception.
I do like mocking people but find the idea of stifling discussion abhorrent. It's why I never insulted that dude in the improved GW thread who claimed it was all smoke and mirrors, that give it a while and they'd go back to raising prices. I suppose technically he was incorrect as they haven't stopped using social media.
But it's so infuriating to come back to the hobby because GW have changed, and then the same gak happens. Is the only way to be profitable in this industry to be a complete dick?
Chikout wrote: It is unfortunate to see those prices go up. The battletome, the skyfires and the acolytes are all reasonably priced, so it is surprising. I imagine the are trying to encourage purchases of the start collecting set, as the more expensive boxes are all in that set and make it look a better deal.
Could they be increasing prices to offset lower profits from the start collecting set? It seems to me that wouldn't want to specifically encourage SC set purchases since they would have better margins off individual items.
Chikout wrote: It is unfortunate to see those prices go up. The battletome, the skyfires and the acolytes are all reasonably priced, so it is surprising. I imagine the are trying to encourage purchases of the start collecting set, as the more expensive boxes are all in that set and make it look a better deal.
Could they be increasing prices to offset lower profits from the start collecting set? It seems to me that wouldn't want to specifically encourage SC set purchases since they would have better margins off individual items.
That thought crossed my mind as well. Some people were saying the SC sets would've bitten into their overall profits so maybe this might be a way to balance it out?
Edit: Just had a thought, do you think these models will also come with the new Warhammer quest? Two sources of Tzeentch deals might have encouraged the bump.
As someone who literally just finished putting together 3 Flamers, 3 Screamers and the two minis from the Burning Chariot kit, I do hope that they don't go up in price for no reason. Screamers are so easy to put together!
They didn't do that with the Seraphon or Tau sets, and those are much better deals than a Tzeentch Daemons set at the current prices would be. That could still be the reason, it just seems strange they'd only start doing it now for a set that's middle of the road in terms of savings.
I mean they're making it a better deal artificially, which would encourage more people to but the SC! box and either try and sell the units they don't need (assuming they aren't just after 1 of the units in the set) or just keep the extra units for summon fodder, or in case they want to mix up their list.
As a Daemons player in 40k, a Word Bearers player in 30k and a Disciples of Tzeentch player in AoS I know the only way I'll be buying Tzeentch Daemons from now on is discounted Start Collecting! sets.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: As a Daemons player in 40k, a Word Bearers player in 30k and a Disciples of Tzeentch player in AoS I know the only way I'll be buying Tzeentch Daemons from now on is discounted Start Collecting! sets.
Ok you got me there, I'd just be buy those separately (also at a discount).
Though that's assuming I even buy them. I'm not shelling out on Wrath of Magnus for their rules with 8th Edition looming so close, and I don't see myself using them is AoS any time soon.
I bought Wrath of Magnus 'cause of everything else (and because I want GW to keep doing campaign books; it's something I've always wanted them to do). The Blue/Brim Horror rules are a bonus.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I bought Wrath of Magnus 'cause of everything else (and because I want GW to keep doing campaign books; it's something I've always wanted them to do). The Blue/Brim Horror rules are a bonus.
Is it worth buying? I love thousands sons, but that book is expensive. Which is weird as the AoS Tzeentch book is cheap as, almost an impulse buy.
Sounds like there's a cavalry unit and some kind of flying creature to come. Another hero or two wouldn't be a surprise either. Plenty of room for a few female bare heads in there.
. So much for the new and improved 
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