Hi everyone,

Representing Haste Games, I would like to introduce to DakkaDakka our new project titled 'The Empire' which is a medieval fantasy faction with an aesthetic of Spanish Tercios, which will be shown little by little through our facebook page simultaneously with this thread.

https://www.facebook.com/hastegames

We are pleased to announce the first project of Haste Games which will come out in the form of a crowdfunding campaign from the Kickstarter platform in mid March and will give life to our massive battles medieval fantasy board game.

'The Empire', a faction of humans consists of modular plastic miniatures in 28mm heroic scale, with 9 main regiments, including heroes and special units.

We will offer the latest information, news and exclusive unreleased material on the Empire and its background through our fanpage. So if you are expectant to know more about us, feel free to follow us and share with your friends.

'The Empire' Kickstarter Campaign is now LIVE !
Back us on Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma

We will appreciate all your comments and stay tuned for new updates

These look pretty good - I look forward to more info, and pics!

Looking very promising!

Exciting stuff! Hoping one of your planned regiments has full plate legs, for reasons.

Full plate would be nice on the legs. The current fabric looks like thick rubber for some reason.

I like it!

As I've said about Mantic's attempts, I think it's a mistake to try to beat the Perrys at their own game. These look a lot better than Mantic's, but they're still just pseudohistorical men.

They look very promising! Lovely piece of artwork as well, very evocative.

These look nice and interesting; looking forward to seeing more!

If like you've said these are 28mm heroic and compare well to GW I'll just hand you my bank card now.

Looking forward to this!
Regards,
Howie.

Following on from my last comment, do you think you could pick the most ahistorical of your plastic kits to show next? Whether it's angels, spellsword regiments or women, something that can't be found in a historically accurate range?

Looks like the bases are integrated, is that the case, or is the round disc they are on just part of the design system?

Alpharius wrote:These look pretty good - I look forward to more info, and pics!

Manchu wrote:Looking very promising!

Blackhoof wrote:I like it!

Pacific wrote:They look very promising! Lovely piece of artwork as well, very evocative.

Trodax wrote:These look nice and interesting; looking forward to seeing more!

thanks for your compliments, soon there will be more information and pics

plastictrees wrote:Exciting stuff! Hoping one of your planned regiments has full plate legs, for reasons.

I can not disclose much information yet but you will not be disappointed

BobtheInquisitor wrote:Full plate would be nice on the legs. The current fabric looks like thick rubber for some reason.

It may be because of color of the renders but Im sure that you will change your mind once you see a painted mini.

howie wrote:If like you've said these are 28mm heroic and compare well to GW I'll just hand you my bank card now.

Looking forward to this!
Regards,
Howie.

Thats right, I assure you that them will be fully compatible with gw's

AlexHolker wrote:As I've said about Mantic's attempts, I think it's a mistake to try to beat the Perrys at their own game. These look a lot better than Mantic's, but they're still just pseudohistorical men.

Them are not historical exactly. Units are fantasy, but we rely on historical clothing to create them.

AlexHolker wrote:Following on from my last comment, do you think you could pick the most ahistorical of your plastic kits to show next? Whether it's angels, spellsword regiments or women, something that can't be found in a historically accurate range?

We will be releasing more content, but most of the ahistorical material will be saved for the release of the kickstarter campaign since special units and heroes are the most fantasy units.

Theophony wrote:Looks like the bases are integrated, is that the case, or is the round disc they are on just part of the design system?

Bases are not integrated, in fact all pieces comes separated, we will include regular squared bases apart from the units in each regiment's boxes. What you see in the pictures are just part of the design system.

http://i.imgur.com/IJFdW1P.jpg

I'll need a set of Victoria's Spanish Inquisition for this game.

Because... nobody will expect it.

Can we expect pikemen? I really hope so. Do love me some pikemen. What type of plastic is it that you're planning on using? PVC like PP and AOW? Or plastic as in hard plastic that GW use?

I asked about the heroic scale as when I look at the sizes of the hqnds the looked more in scale to historical models I have rather than the empire line that GW produce.

I'm really looking forward to this release I've always wanted to do an estalian esque army.

Kind regards,
Howie.

 howie wrote:
Can we expect pikemen? I really hope so. Do love me some pikemen. What type of plastic is it that you're planning on using? PVC like PP and AOW? Or plastic as in hard plastic that GW use?

I asked about the heroic scale as when I look at the sizes of the hqnds the looked more in scale to historical models I have rather than the empire line that GW produce.

I'm really looking forward to this release I've always wanted to do an estalian esque army.

Kind regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie,

I was not supposed to disclose that, but since many people are asking me about that, yes, you can expect them. we are using hard grey plastic for regiments and high quality resin for special units and heroes.
Measures compared to gw are quite the same, we wanted that if you place one of our minis beside one of them you can't notice that it is from another manufacturer apart from the aesthetics of the units.

 Haste Games wrote:
We will be releasing more content, but most of the ahistorical material will be saved for the release of the kickstarter campaign since special units and heroes are the most fantasy units.

 Haste Games wrote:
we are using hard grey plastic for regiments and high quality resin for special units and heroes.

Is there any overlap between the fantasy units and the plastic units? Or are the plastic units all just men with pseudohistorical equipment?

Thanks for getting back to my questions. I can't wait to pledge to this.

Kind regards,
Howie

AlexHolker wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:
We will be releasing more content, but most of the ahistorical material will be saved for the release of the kickstarter campaign since special units and heroes are the most fantasy units.

 Haste Games wrote:
we are using hard grey plastic for regiments and high quality resin for special units and heroes.

Is there any overlap between the fantasy units and the plastic units? Or are the plastic units all just men with pseudohistorical equipment?

All units remains to fantasy, clothes from regiments are more inspired into historical clothes, but for special units such as generals you can expect a different touch.

howie wrote:Thanks for getting back to my questions. I can't wait to pledge to this.

Kind regards,
Howie

Thanks you for supporting us, if you have any other question don't hesitate to ask me.

We just released some pictures of a painted swordsman, hope that you guys enjoy it.

Swordsman soldier - 28mm heroic scale
Painted by: Arsies studio

That's pretty epic, the paintscheme is nice and the model itself looks great.

 Paradigm wrote:
That's pretty epic, the paintscheme is nice and the model itself looks great.

Thanks for the compliments

That swordsman looks absolutely lovely. Hope the other models look as good once they're in hand!

What type of plastic will you be using?

Sweet mother of.
That swordsman looks great. I can't wait to see the rest of the range. The painting is a far higher standard than mine will do them.

I know I keep harping on about it, but for me and probably others scale is a big thing. Would it be possible to get a scale shot with other ranges... like GW.

Do we have any word on money costs yet?

Can't wait.
Kind regards,
Howie.

 Haste Games wrote:

 howie wrote:
Can we expect pikemen? I really hope so. Do love me some pikemen. What type of plastic is it that you're planning on using? PVC like PP and AOW? Or plastic as in hard plastic that GW use?

I asked about the heroic scale as when I look at the sizes of the hqnds the looked more in scale to historical models I have rather than the empire line that GW produce.

I'm really looking forward to this release I've always wanted to do an estalian esque army.

Kind regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie,

I was not supposed to disclose that, but since many people are asking me about that, yes, you can expect them. we are using hard grey plastic for regiments and high quality resin for special units and heroes.

Should have kept on reading the comments.

Since they will not be that horrible crap called "restic" I will strongly consider kickstarting this.

I love the look of the swordsmen Haste games. My only critique is that it appears that the detail on your render is very shallow. The chunkier and sharper that detail is, the easier it will be to paint. A master painter can take very shallow detail and bring it out, but details as shallow as the rivets on the shield, the stacked armor plates, etc. will disappear under most painter's brushes.

Is the name a big middle finger to Warhammer? Because I'm in if it is.

If you check the Discussions area, I did a post about a week or so ago about companies constantly doing zombies, orcs, orks, nazi's, nazi zombies and 781687168238236 female figures and that we needed more guys in platemail in 28 heroic scale.


A week later you post this...exactly what I wanted. I shall endeavor to help you kickstart this. Huzzah!!!!!




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 AlexHolker wrote:
As I've said about Mantic's attempts, I think it's a mistake to try to beat the Perrys at their own game. These look a lot better than Mantic's, but they're still just pseudohistorical men.

Except th Perry's stuff is 25mm truescale and doesn't match well with GW stuff.

Brother SRM wrote:That swordsman looks absolutely lovely. Hope the other models look as good once they're in hand!

Ty

howie wrote:Sweet mother of.
That swordsman looks great. I can't wait to see the rest of the range. The painting is a far higher standard than mine will do them.

I know I keep harping on about it, but for me and probably others scale is a big thing. Would it be possible to get a scale shot with other ranges... like GW.

Do we have any word on money costs yet?

Can't wait.
Kind regards,
Howie.

We will not show any comparison directly for reasons but I think our painter will do in his blog. Anyways, we are the first ones who want our minis have the same measures as gw's, we still have to make a bit changes here and there so we will make sure that the scale and dimensions will be really similar.

Piston Honda wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

 howie wrote:
Can we expect pikemen? I really hope so. Do love me some pikemen. What type of plastic is it that you're planning on using? PVC like PP and AOW? Or plastic as in hard plastic that GW use?

I asked about the heroic scale as when I look at the sizes of the hqnds the looked more in scale to historical models I have rather than the empire line that GW produce.

I'm really looking forward to this release I've always wanted to do an estalian esque army.

Kind regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie,

I was not supposed to disclose that, but since many people are asking me about that, yes, you can expect them. we are using hard grey plastic for regiments and high quality resin for special units and heroes.

Should have kept on reading the comments.

Since they will not be that horrible crap called "restic" I will strongly consider kickstarting this.

Thanks!

Gallahad wrote:I love the look of the swordsmen Haste games. My only critique is that it appears that the detail on your render is very shallow. The chunkier and sharper that detail is, the easier it will be to paint. A master painter can take very shallow detail and bring it out, but details as shallow as the rivets on the shield, the stacked armor plates, etc. will disappear under most painter's brushes.

Hi Gallahad, excellent critique, let me explain this.

As you can see on this sample, this was not about the paint job, we already enhanced all the details as you mentioned:

We come from the videogame industry and our first set of regiments were made in human being proportions, then we adapted all the pieces to an heroic scale, sculpting all the details way more prominent after we contacted with some of the best miniature painters in Spain to analize our products and tell us about their weaknesses, so right now we are sculpting all the miniatures this way but we find out that renders in heroic scale look really bad and its hard to appreciate how it will be the model after its printed, thats why we thought that the best idea would be show the first renders before they were scaled, since they show better how the product is after the printing and painting process. So you can be sure that all pieces will be perfect for the painting process.

Scipio Africanus wrote:Is the name a big middle finger to Warhammer? Because I'm in if it is.

General Hobbs wrote:

If you check the Discussions area, I did a post about a week or so ago about companies constantly doing zombies, orcs, orks, nazi's, nazi zombies and 781687168238236 female figures and that we needed more guys in platemail in 28 heroic scale.


A week later you post this...exactly what I wanted. I shall endeavor to help you kickstart this. Huzzah!!!!!




Automatically Appended Next Post:

 AlexHolker wrote:
As I've said about Mantic's attempts, I think it's a mistake to try to beat the Perrys at their own game. These look a lot better than Mantic's, but they're still just pseudohistorical men.

Except th Perry's stuff is 25mm truescale and doesn't match well with GW stuff.

Thanks for supporting us !

Ah right well when he puts up his painting blog could you supply us with a link? I'm really anticipating this kick starter. Will it be a points buying system or what?

I'm looking forward to seeing what units get produced. If you're making musketmen can I suggest kneeling front rank. And if you're doing crossbow men a pavise is surely a must?

I've posted a link to your first post on warseer to try and drum up more support.

Kind regards,
Howie.

 howie wrote:
Ah right well when he puts up his painting blog could you supply us with a link? I'm really anticipating this kick starter. Will it be a points buying system or what?

I'm looking forward to seeing what units get produced. If you're making musketmen can I suggest kneeling front rank. And if you're doing crossbow men a pavise is surely a must?

I've posted a link to your first post on warseer to try and drum up more support.

Kind regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie, thanks you! Sure I will let you know.

About your question; yes, first line will be kneeling

btw, new update:

Are you ready for some hard plastic ( HIPS ) ?
Pic: Regiments preview - soon at kickstarter

Winner. Can't wait to see the picture explosion when you launch.

So you've got:
Great swords
Artillery
Swordsmen
Cavalry
Pistolliers
Some sort of militia?
Riflemen
Halberdiers
Pikemen

Very interesting. Can replace my entire army.

Regards,
Howie.

Hi everyone,

New update with some background:

Background of Empire Swordsmen:

Clash professional troops who are always on the forefront in the battle. They are armed with swords and shields. Their armors are steel breastplates, shoulder pads and greaves. They take no prisoners in battle, they have no mercy: their wounded or captured enemies are capped.

The swordsmen are trained in the armories of the empire for years before going to battle. They are professional soldiers who charge a monthly salary to defend the empire, are armed with light steel armor. They are in charge of guarding the social order of cities, obey and protect their lords and their castles or fortresses.
They also protect the empire from the outposts that are in the limits of imperial territory. They form patrols in the vicinity of the outpost to kill wild creatures and protect the villagers living nearby.

I have always been a fan of "normal" human fantasy figures, I will be watching these ones with great interest.

I'm liking the look of these definitely prefer the concept to the concept of GWs empire troops which are too frilly and ornate for me

I like the fact they son't have ham fists.

Color me intrigued. I like the thought of something that's fantasy medieval, but less 'fantastical' than Warhammer. Subscribed.

This is looking quite interesting. I have a soft spot for normal fantasy human beings in armour but the GW Empire ones have always looked a bit too comical for my tastes. These look very well done from what you've shown us so far.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I like the fact they son't have ham fists.

So much this. It's wonderful to see models in "heroic scale" that don't look like bizarre pseudo-human mutants with ankles like thighs and fists bigger than their already comically oversized heads. Just slight exaggerations here and there where necessary, not OTT.

I sense a gaping hole in my wallet in the near future if the rest of the range matches the quality of the test print.

As an aside, it would be nice to see some "frillyness", here and there, perhaps just as an accent on some characters and the more "elite" regiments; I like the more realistic take on ordinary soldiery, but there is something to be said for the Warhammer Empire aesthetic when it's used in moderation as it was in Mordheim for eg(which is where I suspect many of your models will be finding themselves when I get hold of them, heh).

Man, these Basileans look good.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Man, these Basileans look good.

You just mentioned these wonderful looking minis in the same sentence as dead dog [MOD EDIT - No 'workarounds' for the expletive filter, please! Thanks - Alpharius]

This has been on FB for a few days and not shown here, so I thought I'd drop it in.



The fluff to go with it:

The Heavy-armoured Knights are the elite troops of the empire. Dressed in chain mail, armour and protection in their extremities with which may withstand any attack on the battlefield. Also, their weapon is a heavy broadsword able to open any enemy carcass standing on their path.

To become part of the heavy infantry it takes many years of seniority as a soldier of the empire. The best and most veteran soldiers become heavy infantry.



Regards,
Howie.

Is the nick name for the Empire troops the Bearded Brave or Whisker Warriors?

they all have facial hair.

'The Empire' Kickstarter Date Announced – March 23th, 2014

looking forward to this.

can't wait to see whats in store for the kick starter, love the look of the minis

Any preview of pricing or pledge levels, start time/early birds?

Some of the best miniature sculpting in the world seems to be coming out of Spain at the moment.

This looks like that trend is set to continue. Absolutely fantastic stuff, if these are at all reasonably priced I'm sure they will be (and deserve to be) a massive success.

I would also like to see if there are any early bird specials/ start time if there are any early bird specials.

Been anticipating this since I seen that swordsmen :/



Kind Regards,
Howie

 howie wrote:
I would also like to see if there are any early bird specials/ start time if there are any early bird specials.

Been anticipating this since I seen that swordsmen :/



Kind Regards,
Howie

We will release the preview link later today. btw I just sent you a pm.

Having some really good looking Empire troops available has got me excited about getting back to building that long in planning WFB Empire army again!

'The Empire' Kickstarter Date Announced – Sunday March 23th, 2014
- 11am US EST - 3pm GMT

Looking forward to this

New update

Check out the preview for 'The Empire' Kickstarter Campaign https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/406776314?token=5ad2dd3e

I'm in.

There goes my pledge to Mercs.

EDIT:

I am in at the 155 dollar level.

A little math depending on which boxes you get, each model is about a 1.70 a pop. Obviously more for the more complex or elite units, I assume.

Good price. Considering they are hard plastic (meaning NO gakky restic)

And these actually look good and not something Picasso made.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I'm in.

There goes my pledge to Mercs.

Did the same , much more interested in this ks.

Can we get a direct link to the vimeo video explaining the reward structure please? It's broken on the page in Firefox, no video plays just audio.

I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

I'm really hoping this kick starter hits the high notes. As I'll want a lot pikes and muskets.

Also the guy I was speaking to on FB seemed like a genuinely nice guy and I hope he gets what he wants so we can get what we want, a bucket of great toy soldiers. :-D


Kind regards,
Howie.

Thanks everyone for your kind words.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Can we get a direct link to the vimeo video explaining the reward structure please? It's broken on the page in Firefox, no video plays just audio.

Sure
Second video: https://vimeo.com/89272021
Third video: https://vimeo.com/89272022

If only I still played Fantasy.

Looks pretty good so far, my only issue is that the sample 'Knight' looks out of proportion (I think his forearms are too long).

Need to fix the spacing on the reward levels - looks bad, hard to read.

Also in the FAQ on the bases:
" Bases will be compatible with motion bases aswell. "

What are motion bases? Is that a fancy term for "movement tray?"

And it looks like the first 3 regiments are unlock from the get go, and the 75k "goal" actually just unlocks the first stretch goal? - So maybe the goal should just be "allow us to produce these first 4 regiments." And then stretch goals from there.

Looking very good overall though. Excited to see how this works out and how the game expands in the future.
*cough* make dwarves next *cough*

Schmapdi wrote:
Need to fix the spacing on the reward levels - looks bad, hard to read.

Also in the FAQ on the bases:
" Bases will be compatible with motion bases aswell. "

What are motion bases? Is that a fancy term for "movement tray?"

And it looks like the first 3 regiments are unlock from the get go, and the 75k "goal" actually just unlocks the first stretch goal? - So maybe the goal should just be "allow us to produce these first 4 regiments." And then stretch goals from there.

Looking very good overall though. Excited to see how this works out and how the game expands in the future.
*cough* make dwarves next *cough*

Hi Schmapdi, yes its usually called movement tray, we will change it back to this therm to avoid any confusion.

btw could you attach me a screenshot to see the spacing in the reward levels ? I see it this way:


please tell me if you see it different. Thanks in advance.

 Palindrome wrote:
If only I still played Fantasy.

Looks pretty good so far, my only issue is that the sample 'Knight' looks out of proportion (I think his forearms are too long).

Hi Palindrome, I can assure you that its not out of proportion, I uploaded a video of this exact model for you so you can check by yourself: https://vimeo.com/89806955

How much would the box of 10 knights cost at retail after the kickstarter?

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

Seriously, why does somebody always have to try and crap over new companies with this "hurr durr just buy Perryz" line? The Perry's stuff is a completely different scale, and Haste's stuff has a different aesthetic.

Butting into someone's KS thread to advertise a different company is just really bad form.

Any chance of a size comparison pic vs some of the other fantasy miniature producers?

This does seem to be a bit on the pricey side though, unless I'm missing something?

I really like the look of the miniatures though...

Please explain me something. How is it possible if the company is based in Spain, the shiiping cost to Europe to be higher than USA and Canada?
This is really some kind of paradox...

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

Seriously, why does somebody always have to try and crap over new companies with this "hurr durr just buy Perryz" line? The Perry's stuff is a completely different scale, and Haste's stuff has a different aesthetic.

Because they're the same scale and three times as expensive. If anyone doesn't think that giving a medieval man a different outfit is worth tripling the price a year in advance, directing them to Perry Miniatures might be appreciated.

 corgan wrote:
Please explain me something. How is it possible if the company is based in Spain, the shiiping cost to Europe to be higher than USA and Canada?
This is really some kind of paradox...

Coolminiornot is handling their US shipping, maybe that's it?

 Haste Games wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
Need to fix the spacing on the reward levels - looks bad, hard to read.

Hi Schmapdi, yes its usually called movement tray, we will change it back to this therm to avoid any confusion.

btw could you attach me a screenshot to see the spacing in the reward levels ? I see it this way:

please tell me if you see it different. Thanks in advance.

Sure - it looks like this:


That's just in IE 11 though, checked it in Chrome and it seems fine there. Though none of the other, many kickstarters I've viewed have had this issue. So I'm not sure what the problem could be?

Schmapdi wrote:
That's just in IE 11 though, checked it in Chrome and it seems fine there. Though none of the other, many kickstarters I've viewed have had this issue. So I'm not sure what the problem could be?

The problem is that they used spaces instead of a line break, as you can see here:

BRONZE Reward ============================== You will have access to: 1 regiment box from group A 1 regiment box from group B 1 regiment box from group C You can choose which box you want...

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

Seriously, why does somebody always have to try and crap over new companies with this "hurr durr just buy Perryz" line? The Perry's stuff is a completely different scale, and Haste's stuff has a different aesthetic.

Because they're the same scale and three times as expensive. If anyone doesn't think that giving a medieval man a different outfit is worth tripling the price a year in advance, directing them to Perry Miniatures might be appreciated.

They're not the same scale at all, and if you don't fancy the product you can feel free to not back the KS. How would you like it if you were trying to start a business and some numpty stood outside telling all your potential new customers to go shop down the road at the guy that sells a cheapo version of your product? Justify it all you like, you're pulling a move and you know it.

Piston Honda wrote:How much would the box of 10 knights cost at retail after the kickstarter?

I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

JoeRugby wrote:Any chance of a size comparison pic vs some of the other fantasy miniature producers?

We will show comparison pics showing measurements.

Alpharius wrote:This does seem to be a bit on the pricey side though, unless I'm missing something?

I really like the look of the miniatures though...

Having two-thirds of the regiments locked may lead to confusion. There are regiments composed of 10,15 and 20 units. You can select which regiments you want.
Anyways, we can't give huge discounts at the beginning but once we get a healthy pledge we will give discounts in form of free boxes or single units.

btw, we added extra units to some regiments since some people were complaining, so we are doing our best about that.

corgan wrote:Please explain me something. How is it possible if the company is based in Spain, the shiiping cost to Europe to be higher than USA and Canada?
This is really some kind of paradox...

Its because the deal that CMON offered to us but we will reduce the price to $12 same as UK to not have anyone discontent, I think its the maximum we can adjust right now. Its not the same pricing at the beginning than if all regiments would be unlocked already because all mold production would be assured and we could give discounts to everybody in an equitative way or even free boxes ( which its what we have planned to do once all regiments are unlocked )

Schmapdi wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
Need to fix the spacing on the reward levels - looks bad, hard to read.

Hi Schmapdi, yes its usually called movement tray, we will change it back to this therm to avoid any confusion.

btw could you attach me a screenshot to see the spacing in the reward levels ? I see it this way:

please tell me if you see it different. Thanks in advance.

We will show pictures showing measurements.

Sure - it looks like this:

Spoiler:

That's just in IE 11 though, checked it in Chrome and it seems fine there. Though none of the other, many kickstarters I've viewed have had this issue. So I'm not sure what the problem could be?

Thanks, I corrected it, please tell me if now is fine for you, hope so.

 Haste Games wrote:

Piston Honda wrote:How much would the box of 10 knights cost at retail after the kickstarter?

I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

JoeRugby wrote:Any chance of a size comparison pic vs some of the other fantasy miniature producers?

We will show comparison pics showing measurements.

Alpharius wrote:This does seem to be a bit on the pricey side though, unless I'm missing something?

I really like the look of the miniatures though...

Having two-thirds of the regiments locked may lead to confusion. There are regiments composed of 10,15 and 20 units. You can select which regiments you want.
Anyways, we can't give huge discounts at the beginning but once we get a healthy pledge we will give discounts in form of free boxes or single units.

btw, we added extra units to some regiments since some people were complaining, so we are doing our best about that.

corgan wrote:Please explain me something. How is it possible if the company is based in Spain, the shiiping cost to Europe to be higher than USA and Canada?
This is really some kind of paradox...

Its because the deal that CMON offered to us but we will reduce the price to $12 same as UK to not have anyone discontent, I think its the maximum we can adjust right now. Its not the same pricing at the beginning than if all regiments would be unlocked already because all mold production would be assured and we could give discounts to everybody in an equitative way or even free boxes ( which its what we have planned to do once all regiments are unlocked )

Schmapdi wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
Need to fix the spacing on the reward levels - looks bad, hard to read.

Hi Schmapdi, yes its usually called movement tray, we will change it back to this therm to avoid any confusion.

btw could you attach me a screenshot to see the spacing in the reward levels ? I see it this way:

please tell me if you see it different. Thanks in advance.

We will show pictures showing measurements.

Sure - it looks like this:

Spoiler:

That's just in IE 11 though, checked it in Chrome and it seems fine there. Though none of the other, many kickstarters I've viewed have had this issue. So I'm not sure what the problem could be?

Thanks, I corrected it, please tell me if now is fine for you, hope so.

Thanks for the explanation on the shipping costs and your efforts of reducing prices and add to the regiments.
May I ask the exact time of the launch of the KS?
Cheers

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

Seriously, why does somebody always have to try and crap over new companies with this "hurr durr just buy Perryz" line? The Perry's stuff is a completely different scale, and Haste's stuff has a different aesthetic.

Butting into someone's KS thread to advertise a different company is just really bad form.

Exactly, and I must say that it seem like those mini are miles better than the perry's one, so I can live with the price

I really dig the look of these minis, and would like a few for use in my RPGing (mostly Warhammer Fantasy RPG). The KS campaign seems extremely focused on building armies, though, so it doesn't really look like it will suit my interests. Or will there be some way of picking up anything less than 15 of that swordsman (for example)?

I also think the target goals look really, really high. $75K to fund the first three regiments and $375K to unlock all nine regiments are pretty big numbers when it comes to miniature KS's. It may very well cost that much to produce them, I just worry that the demand will not be that great, however nice the minis.

We have reduced all prices, don't see this as a weak movement by us. Now it will be harder for you guys to unlock all the regiments since the price value of plastic injection molds doesn't change. Its just because we received too many complaints about price.

 Trodax wrote:
I really dig the look of these minis, and would like a few for use in my RPGing (mostly Warhammer Fantasy RPG). The KS campaign seems extremely focused on building armies, though, so it doesn't really look like it will suit my interests. Or will there be some way of picking up anything less than 15 of that swordsman (for example)?

I also think the target goals look really, really high. $75K to fund the first three regiments and $375K to unlock all nine regiments are pretty big numbers when it comes to miniature KS's. It may very well cost that much to produce them, I just worry that the demand will not be that great, however nice the minis.

There will be lots of single fantasy units. Some of the regiments are less than 15 units anyways.

$75k for plastic injection molds for 3 regiments is half the price we would need, considering that we will invest $75k from our own budget it turns to be quite cheap.


@corgan:

16:00 for Germany

 Haste Games wrote:

Piston Honda wrote:How much would the box of 10 knights cost at retail after the kickstarter?

I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

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Thanks.

That seems like a fair price.

Comparing it to various other models/games

War games Factory Zombie Survivors - 22.00 for 30 figures (00.74 a pop)

GW Greatswords - 41.25 for 10 figures (4.10 a pop)

Mantic Games BASILEAN PALADINS 24.73 for 10 (2.47 a pop)

Perry Miniatures War of the Roses Mercs - 40 figures for 33.00 (00.83 a pop)

AoW Dwarf gunners 12 figures for 53.80 (4.48 a pop)
AoW Berserkers 20 figures for 50.00 (2.50 a pop)

Haste Games Empire Knights 10 figures for 28.00 (2.80 a pop)

Note: Prices are from the company's website and not a discount place. Other things that may or may not be a factor for you in regards to the prices of various models from companies I posted.

Material made of
Level of customization
Quality of sculpt
*Insert something else here

Did my best in comparing the price of a box of multiple plastic figures from several companies. GW's greatswrds and Mantics Paladins would be the best comparison IMO. Cheaper than GW. a Few pennies more than Mantic.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'm just going to point out that if you pay $80 plus shipping a year in advance, you can get 25 infantry and a cannon.

Or, if you pay $80 with free shipping, you can get 80 infantry and 12 knights.

Seriously, why does somebody always have to try and crap over new companies with this "hurr durr just buy Perryz" line? The Perry's stuff is a completely different scale, and Haste's stuff has a different aesthetic.

Because they're the same scale and three times as expensive. If anyone doesn't think that giving a medieval man a different outfit is worth tripling the price a year in advance, directing them to Perry Miniatures might be appreciated.

An outfit change and a scale change. Scale and compatibility is important. The Perry WOTR stuff looks tiny on the table compared to anything else in the Warhammer universe, and most other fantasy miniatures.

Maybe I missed it, but who will be making the actual plastics?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but who will be making the actual plastics?

Hi Tannhauser42, plastics will be made by a manufacturer associated with Haste Games which has no relation with CMON

 Haste Games wrote:


Thanks, I corrected it, please tell me if now is fine for you, hope so.

Yep - looks fine now!

Schmapdi wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:


Thanks, I corrected it, please tell me if now is fine for you, hope so.

Yep - looks fine now!

Cool, thanks

Haste Games,

In your rules, will units be activated one by one alternating between players?

Or do players move and attack with their entire army? IGOUGO system.

Looks very interesting. I like the aesthetic. I'll be keeping an eye on this, and I feel my Mercs pledge may be getting pulled also.

Haste Games, do you have any examples of the completed work from the plastic company that you will be using?

 Gallahad wrote:

An outfit change and a scale change. Scale and compatibility is important. The Perry WOTR stuff looks tiny on the table compared to anything else in the Warhammer universe, and most other fantasy miniatures.

Which is a good thing considering that Humans tend to be smaller than most other fantasy races. I also prefer realistic proportions.

Its possible that these can be compatible with the Perry's WotR stuff though, Swordsmen are difficult to do with the Perry's stuff.

 Azazelx wrote:
Looks very interesting. I like the aesthetic. I'll be keeping an eye on this, and I feel my Mercs pledge may be getting pulled also.

Haste Games, do you have any examples of the completed work from the plastic company that you will be using?

I'd second the request for some examples of the plastic company's previous work. There have unfortunately been several companys who's models have been let down by poor production. Putting in a large pledge with a year to wait would be much easier if I could be reassured that the resulting models were not going to turn out to be plastic blobs on a sprue. Everything else looks good especially the style and proportions of the figures and I'll definitely consider the gold earlybird if you could avert these fears.

@Azazelx @edlowe

Hi guys, our mold manufacturer has worked for modelism companies, I uploaded a sample of their work:



Hope this helps

That looks like the 1/72 Tiger model kit from Trumpeter. Here's an assembled version with a aftermarket barrel and a metal hatch handle added:



Am I right?

I don't know - but I knew the Detectives on Dakka Dakka would sort it out once a sprue pic was posted!

That looks pretty good, id be interested to see how they did organic textures. Not long till launch now

Trumpeter! Awesome.
Trumpeter has slide core tooling and their models kits are relatively high quality and affordable. When they first started they were pretty cheap but recently they've been competing neck and neck with Tamiya and DML but are cheaper. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but they also do photo-etch IIRC. Awesome choice, they definitely know what they're doing.

I'll wait for confirmation that it is the same people involved with Trumpeter, but I don't know of a single other tiger kit that looks like the one posted other than the Trumpeter one.

And yeah, they started out as a cheap budget model options, but all their kits from the last few years have just been fantastic.

As for the organic vs vehicle issue, I think that'll end up being 100% on the 3d design side of things. If the mould making and injection stuff is done in a technically correct manner, then it'll pretty much faithfully reproduce the piece. If something can be crisp in detail for a rivet or an armour plate, organic shapes tend not to have the same sharp angles and are probably even less demanding on the plastic.

It is live!

Formatting still looks skewed using Firefox...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma

It's live and I'm in for an imperial pledge thus far.


Regards,
Howie

So far the only 'stretch goals' are for unit unlocks - no 'freebies' or additional miniatures.

I also can't help but think that a different 'unlock order' would have made more sense.

Leaving the Griffon until the end maybe?

Moving Knights up sooner?

I think they've done that because the griffon will be a resin model and the knights plastic.

I'm really hoping they get backed for at least $225k so I don't end up with 6 cannons.


Regards,
Howie

Im thinking 1 of each unit for now. Have to see what they do with the pledge manager regarding adding on later. I'd love to get some heroes later.

In for a Gold level EB.

Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

 tre manor wrote:


Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

I'm kinda banking that they are not the current watermelon-head ham-fist GW scale. I prefer proportions more like Fife & Drum or Perry.

If this is approximately what we'll get then I'm 100% happy with that.

I'm in for a Platinum EB for now. Good to know who is doing the actual plastics, although I've not heard of Trumpeter, clearly others here have and are giving them good reviews, so my mind is at ease on that (it's not like everyone can use Wargames Factory every time, all the time).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I'm in for a Platinum EB for now. Good to know who is doing the actual plastics, although I've not heard of Trumpeter, clearly others here have and are giving them good reviews, so my mind is at ease on that (it's not like everyone can use Wargames Factory every time, all the time).

Trumpeter makes 1/35 and 1/72 armor & tanks and their recent kits in the past year have utilized very high end manufacturing techniques and are competing directly with the biggest names in scale models (Tamiya and DML)
They also make aircraft and naval ship models, but I have little experience with that aspect of modeling.

 Haste Games wrote:

 tre manor wrote:


Ok so is this Heroic scale or true scale? If it is heroic scale then these renders cannot be the actual end target. These renders if printed to the same height as the average GW figure ( 32 mm ) will NOT look compatible with GW. To make these renders " GW " scaled then they would have to drastically reduce the distance between the hips and shoulder, enlarge the hands and Head drastically and shorten the length of the legs. Meaning that the final figures cannot look anything like these renders IF Heroic Scale is the target. If that is the case then these renders are no more than fancy concept art. If heroic scale is NOT the target then what thy have here might turn out well depending on their manufacturer / printer.

Personally I think what they have looks great for what it is and that the hobby should move on from the dated " heroic " scale anyway. BUT I also think that companies who are running Kickstarter campaigns should be a bit more transparently forthright or ( in the case of less experienced creators ) maybe better informed / aware as to what they will be delivering in the end.

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

That's a bit troubling, BUT if the models look like the pics JudgeDoug posted, all will be well!

Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

 edlowe wrote:
Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

The helmets on that painted sample are definitely the "post-heroic-adjustment" thing they showed earlier in the thread

 edlowe wrote:
Just to confirm, the pictures of painted figures on the ks show the renders after the heroic adjustments? Id be concerned if not and we were being maybe unintentionally misled.

Exactly

Hi tre manor, these renders are not the end target, you are right. We actually tried to explain that renders shown in the video are in human being proportions before we scale them to heroic scale since renders in heroic scale looks really different than the end result after they are printed. We decided to show these renders because they are more clean and good looking, we already explained everything about that, I apologize if this lead to confusion.

I'm kinda banking that they are not the current watermelon-head ham-fist GW scale. I prefer proportions more like Fife & Drum or Perry.

If this is approximately what we'll get then I'm 100% happy with that.

This is what I was getting at. The confusion was already there before you guys ever posted anything. The entire issue of " scale " is a crazy mess. I do not mean to insinuate AT ALL that I think you guys are beign shady or misleading. I am more trying to point out that you need to be a lot more specific about the end target and the scale compatibility aspect. Trust me I hear it all the time. Everyone has a different idea of what " heroic " scale is because even the manufacturers themselves have different ideas of what it means. What you are showing in the renders is great on it's own, bu tit will take some very drastic remodeling to make the end result " GW " scaled.

I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

 corgan wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

Yes, the final miniatures will look exactly the same like the two painted versions shown in the KS webpage

Tentatively backed. Always interested in seeing new plastic in the fantasy/sci-fi market.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

 Haste Games wrote:

 corgan wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I always thought "heroic scale" had nothing to do with scale and was about proportions. The comparitive size of the hands, weapons, etc., to a realistic size.

Everything I've seen so far here has been realistically scaled, but with details being nicely deepened to make the detail more pronounced at a smaller size. Nothing about that has to do with proportions.

So a nice clear question: Will the figures people get be of the same proportions as the painted figures shown thus far?

Yes, proportions will be the same as the painted figures.

The question is simple. Will the final miniatures look exactly the same like the two painted version shown in the KS webpage?

Additionally and after pledging I have to admit that the pledge levels are quite high and the total amount which should be collected is alo very high. I don't say anything new. I has been pointed out previously. In order to produce all the main miniatures, which are included in the basic groups, 375k should be collected, namely 300k more than the fund amount. It seems too high. I hope to be proved wrong.

Yes, the final miniatures will look exactly the same like the two painted versions shown in the KS webpage

Excellent news, they look perfectly proportioned to me

In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

 Piston Honda wrote:
In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

True enough!

Ham-fisted Bloated Head Men would seem to fit a lot of what GW sculpts.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
In for gold.

I love the proportions as shown in the painted exampled.

Perfect IMO.

I've read about a dozen meaning for the word "Heroic scale"

In short, I define it as ham fisted elephant men.

Haste Games miniatures seems to be more on the true scale (in terms of proportions) than "Heroic scale"

When Haste said they would be comparable in scale, I now assume comparable in height?

True enough!

Ham-fisted Bloated Head Men would seem to fit a lot of what GW sculpts.

They are that terrible.

When I compared a GW model to a Infinity model it was like comparing a Saturday night stripper in Philly to a weekday stripper in Binghamton, New York.

I think I know what you're after there, and will say that you win "Most Interesting Analogy for March 23, 2014"!

Fillet mignon vs Arby's roast beef.

That is all.

I'm in for Gold atm

But I'm really on the fence.

I like the look and design of the first 3 unit types shown, but I'm probably not going to need that many fantasy humans. They would mostly be used if I find a great skirmish rule set or for RPGs (not big battle games)

I need to see a size comparison vs some of the other fantasy minis on the market. as always my collection is 28-30mm and if it doesn't fit I just won't get it.

Looks like some of the sg could be moving a round, plus the war priests artworks been unveiled and he unlocks now at 250 backers not 1000.

sorry for the big pic!

I've jumped in at the Gold level. Am very excited about this as the painted samples looks fantastic! If the details transfer over to hard plastic (I'm assuming the samples are some sort of resin prints?) then it puts another nail in the coffin of Hard Plastic can't achieve the same level of detail as resin or metal.

I think DFG and KD:M already nailed that coffin shut, for the most part!

We have adapted all the SG's, now with a 35k difference instead of 50k and the next regiment to unlock after the goal will be +15k only ( 90k in total ).

Regiments' unlock distribution has been adapted as well because of complainments about the risk to repeat cannon, now next regiment to unlock will be from group C, and all unit types are visible.

New update comming soon.

Looks nice, but a bit more historically accurate (grounded in reality?) than I can use.

Now if we start to see other races showing up, I may have to pull the trigger....

Updated stretch map.

New update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma/posts/786643

 Alpharius wrote:
I think DFG and KD:M already nailed that coffin shut, for the most part!

Not to mention products like Dark Vengeance and Space Hulk...

@haste-games - how come you decided to go for a very large KS on your first foray into the market (I'm guessing this is the case from what you've said before)?

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of you business model, but to me it would have made sense to use your first go to;

Get a footprint in the market - in my experience as a backer, people are more likely to give you money if they have an idea on what you've done before.

Get your first 2 units funded and made in hard plastic, have any stretch goals as resin ad dons/ characters for your line (or wave 2 units if sufficient funding is received)
This smaller batch will allow you better q&a control, and get something on the market sooner which can create a buzz (if done as well as the models prints/masters you've had painted) for a future large kickstarter to fill out your line.

Test and perfect your manufacturing and your relationship with your plastic caster. (And resin if that's outsourced too) -again only going by what you've said but your caster hasn't worked with you before. In any business relationship there will be teething troubles. Better to have these on a smaller scale than adding more stress to the relationship with a massive workload, looming deadlines.
Also getting to know what volumes/time frames your caster can actually work too rather than going by the dates and times they say.

P.s sorry for the poor spelling and grammar am sleepy

How many people on your team are artists that work on the models? Both drawings and the 3D renders (or whatever you call them).

Aren't they doing that? The funding goal is for three hard plastic kits. The stretch goals are to fund additional waves of kits.

i rather hope this gets funded, it has nice potential
also, those halberd armed fellows have the potential to be a nice replacement for the steelhead halberdier mercs in warmachine

I like the look of The Empire, but I could never opt into a game that didn't have all its factions to choose from unless I was gonna use the models for something else. And since I don't play humans in any game I am playing at the moment...

greenskin lynn wrote:i rather hope this gets funded, it has nice potential
also, those halberd armed fellows have the potential to be a nice replacement for the steelhead halberdier mercs in warmachine

I was thinking 30+ of the sword & shield guys would make a great core to a Cygnar infantry swarm. It'd be such a nice change from the goofy proportions of the existing sword knights.

Though I also really like the idea of a Capt Damiano list using these models. You have guys with firearms, halberds and cavalry if it hits 195K.

How many different poses are there in each unit?

Hi guys, We decided to add 5 extra units to heavy knights, 5 extra units to harquebusiers and 2 extra units to outriders.
So now Heavy knights will be a 15 units regiment, Harquebusiers 15 units and Outriders 10 units.

I will be answering all your questions asap.

 tre manor wrote:
How many different poses are there in each unit?

It varies with each regiment but we implemented many poses for all pieces ( both arms and legs ), you can see an example in the third video of our kickstarter campaign.

For example, at Swordsmen regiment there are 4 different arms, each one comes with 4 different poses, except one them that comes with 3 different poses.
Then there is 2 different legs and they come with 5 different poses each.

 Piston Honda wrote:
How many people on your team are artists that work on the models? Both drawings and the 3D renders (or whatever you call them).

2 people of the team are in charge of 3D sculpt

Asked a few questions in comments:

Ed Lowe about 2 hours ago
1. How do the command pieces break down per sprue, for example with the 15 knights could you have 3 units of 5 with full command?

2. Are the bases provided similar to a well know brands? (Gw)

3. Are the regiments supplied to ks backers boxed as per the retail release? (This doesn't bother me but if they would ship faster unboxed im sure some people maybe interested)

4. Could we hear a bit more about the game world you are creating, with more info on future races? ( I'll most likely be using them for Mantics Kings of War but it would be cool to try something different)

5. Could we have a bit more info on Haste Games? What your overall plan is, what games you play and maybe some links to the sculptor's previous work?

Thanks in advance! Remember plenty of updates keep us all interested and gives us more news to spread!

 

Ed Lowe about 2 hours ago
1 last thing, if you could do a graphic for the front page showing the maximum number of figures you could get at each pledge level it would be good to help people visualise what they could/will be getting. If you could show it with fully ranked up renders of each unit it would be really cool. Oh if you could show more renders of the comand too to really show off the units.

Thanks

and Haste Games reply:

Haste Games 15 minutes ago
@Ed Lowe: Answering your questions: 
1. Yes, you can have 3 units and 5 with full command 
2. Yes 
3. Boxes will be supplied faster to backers 
4. Future races will be another fantasy races, both tipycal races such as dwarfs, elfs, orcs, etc and other races of our own. Our world has a very dark background, a wild world where the good ones resist as they can the unstoppable advance of evil. 
5. We would like to finish all our other factions asap but we would like to create fantasy games as videogames, not just miniatures. 
6. Good idea, we will work on something like that.

Just posted a comparison picture:



20x20mm base square

 JoeRugby wrote:
@haste-games - how come you decided to go for a very large KS on your first foray into the market (I'm guessing this is the case from what you've said before)?

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of you business model, but to me it would have made sense to use your first go to;

Get a footprint in the market - in my experience as a backer, people are more likely to give you money if they have an idea on what you've done before.

Get your first 2 units funded and made in hard plastic, have any stretch goals as resin ad dons/ characters for your line (or wave 2 units if sufficient funding is received)
This smaller batch will allow you better q&a control, and get something on the market sooner which can create a buzz (if done as well as the models prints/masters you've had painted) for a future large kickstarter to fill out your line.

Test and perfect your manufacturing and your relationship with your plastic caster. (And resin if that's outsourced too) -again only going by what you've said but your caster hasn't worked with you before. In any business relationship there will be teething troubles. Better to have these on a smaller scale than adding more stress to the relationship with a massive workload, looming deadlines.
Also getting to know what volumes/time frames your caster can actually work too rather than going by the dates and times they say.

P.s sorry for the poor spelling and grammar am sleepy

Hi Joe, very solid points, you are right in some of them but I can assure you that you are underating us quite a bit, I will answer you more extensively later on.

 Haste Games wrote:
Hi guys, We decided to add 5 extra units to heavy knights, 5 extra units to harquebusiers and 2 extra units to outriders.
So now Heavy knights will be a 15 units regiment, Harquebusiers 15 units and Outriders 10 units.

I would add this to the update.

Thanks.

 Haste Games wrote:
Just posted a comparison picture:



20x20mm base square

 JoeRugby wrote:
@haste-games - how come you decided to go for a very large KS on your first foray into the market (I'm guessing this is the case from what you've said before)?

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of you business model, but to me it would have made sense to use your first go to;

Get a footprint in the market - in my experience as a backer, people are more likely to give you money if they have an idea on what you've done before.

Get your first 2 units funded and made in hard plastic, have any stretch goals as resin ad dons/ characters for your line (or wave 2 units if sufficient funding is received)
This smaller batch will allow you better q&a control, and get something on the market sooner which can create a buzz (if done as well as the models prints/masters you've had painted) for a future large kickstarter to fill out your line.

Test and perfect your manufacturing and your relationship with your plastic caster. (And resin if that's outsourced too) -again only going by what you've said but your caster hasn't worked with you before. In any business relationship there will be teething troubles. Better to have these on a smaller scale than adding more stress to the relationship with a massive workload, looming deadlines.
Also getting to know what volumes/time frames your caster can actually work too rather than going by the dates and times they say.

P.s sorry for the poor spelling and grammar am sleepy

Hi Joe, very solid points, you are right in some of them but I can assure you that you are underating us quite a bit, I will answer you more extensively later on.

Where's the mini from?

Cool I look forward to it.

Please know i want you to succeed! I want to purchase your miniatures and I don't want some of the mistakes that other kickstarters have made to be repeated.

4. Future races will be another fantasy races, both tipycal races such as dwarfs, elfs, orcs, etc and other races of our own. Our world has a very dark background, a wild world where the good ones resist as they can the unstoppable advance of evil.

Are you going to do anything that Warhammer doesn't already have?

 JoeRugby wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:
Just posted a comparison picture:



20x20mm base square

 JoeRugby wrote:
@haste-games - how come you decided to go for a very large KS on your first foray into the market (I'm guessing this is the case from what you've said before)?

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of you business model, but to me it would have made sense to use your first go to;

Get a footprint in the market - in my experience as a backer, people are more likely to give you money if they have an idea on what you've done before.

Get your first 2 units funded and made in hard plastic, have any stretch goals as resin ad dons/ characters for your line (or wave 2 units if sufficient funding is received)
This smaller batch will allow you better q&a control, and get something on the market sooner which can create a buzz (if done as well as the models prints/masters you've had painted) for a future large kickstarter to fill out your line.

Test and perfect your manufacturing and your relationship with your plastic caster. (And resin if that's outsourced too) -again only going by what you've said but your caster hasn't worked with you before. In any business relationship there will be teething troubles. Better to have these on a smaller scale than adding more stress to the relationship with a massive workload, looming deadlines.
Also getting to know what volumes/time frames your caster can actually work too rather than going by the dates and times they say.

P.s sorry for the poor spelling and grammar am sleepy

Hi Joe, very solid points, you are right in some of them but I can assure you that you are underating us quite a bit, I will answer you more extensively later on.

Where's the mini from?

Cool I look forward to it.

Please know i want you to succeed! I want to purchase your miniatures and I don't want some of the mistakes that other kickstarters have made to be repeated.

Inifnity yeah don't get me wrong, I want to answer you as you deserve but we are working so much right now not just answering you guys in forums ( which would help us a lot if you help us to spread the word because we are working really hard in the design line ) and don't have so much time, we are preparing lot of content right now, even if we fail with this campaign our goal is to provide maximum quality in sculpts and plastics so we are doing our best all the time and this is very weary sometimes.

You guys can expect more updates, since lot of people compained about using renders in other proportions than the final result ( printed and painted minis ) we are preparing all regiments with the final renders apart from many other things

 AlexHolker wrote:

4. Future races will be another fantasy races, both tipycal races such as dwarfs, elfs, orcs, etc and other races of our own. Our world has a very dark background, a wild world where the good ones resist as they can the unstoppable advance of evil.

Are you going to do anything that Warhammer doesn't already have?

Definitely yes. we are working actually on new races apart from the typical ones.

 Haste Games wrote:

Hi Joe, very solid points, you are right in some of them but I can assure you that you are underating us quite a bit, I will answer you more extensively later on.

I really hope that this is the case because the miniaures look really promising and I am looking forward this project to be funded.

Let me tell you what I think is problematic. The higher the pledge the higher the numbers of the regiment boxes of each group. Let's say that the goal of 75k is achieved. Let's also assume that the amount of 90k is also achieved and the Harquebusier regiment box is unlocked. If the project doesn't go higher than 100k, which is a very good result for a first attempt (and I have no intention of underrating you here, I really hope that you get as high as possible), then four regiment boxes will be produced.
I see it very possible people seeing that the project will finalise close to 100k to reduce their pledge from let's say gold to silver level, by thinking that they don't need 3 regiments of swordsmen and heavy knights. Two of each would be enough, along with one cannon and one unit of harquebusiers.
I know that you lowered the stretch goals for every next regiment and you increased the number of heavy knoghts to 15, which both I find great, I just want to mention the issues that can be arise.



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 JoeRugby wrote:


Please know i want you to succeed! I want to purchase your miniatures and I don't want some of the mistakes that other kickstarters have made to be repeated.

Exactly! These are precisely my thoughts. I couldn't express it better.

 AlexHolker wrote:

4. Future races will be another fantasy races, both tipycal races such as dwarfs, elfs, orcs, etc and other races of our own. Our world has a very dark background, a wild world where the good ones resist as they can the unstoppable advance of evil.

Are you going to do anything that Warhammer doesn't already have?

In red.

Edit:

I would love to see a Human fantasy race that looked more Viking/Greyjoy-ish.

Javier from Arsies Studio talks in his blog about our minis:

"From the beggining they catched my attention because their seriously and care they put on their product. They were always looking for perfection searching for advices and testing those things I told them that they thought could be good to improve their miniatures. Proof of that are some changes they introduced in the original models to make cast and paintingjob easier."

http://arsiesweb.com/2014/03/haste-games-empire-kickstarter.html

I'm in. Only for $1 at the moment as I'm selling some Mantic stuff off - but when that's gone I'm hoping to up to at least Bronze level to start a new Kingdoms of Men force for Kings Of War.

Great models and i wish you guys luck. Just you really, REALLY should have picked a name that wasn't "The Empire" for a fantasy human army :s.

 JP1138 wrote:
I'm in. Only for $1 at the moment as I'm selling some Mantic stuff off - but when that's gone I'm hoping to up to at least Bronze level to start a new Kingdoms of Men force for Kings Of War.

Ooh, what Mantic stuff - PM me!

 LordOfSmurfs wrote:
Great models and i wish you guys luck. Just you really, REALLY should have picked a name that wasn't "The Empire" for a fantasy human army :s.

Ty, we will explain why this name in the background. btw, lot of people are complaining that we planned a whole faction so they don't know when next factions will be created and when the full game will be done.

We are preparing an adapted version of our rules so you guys can play empire vs empire. In any case, we are working already in another faction so it will be just provisional for those who backed for many regiments.





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New update with 3 videos from Cannon regiment:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma/posts/789021

 Haste Games wrote:


I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.

I can't crunch the numbers obviously but when you look at the more successful Kickstarters, anything CMON does, Kingdom Death, Mercs, etc

they list at what pledge level people kick something free. Be it tokens, special miniatures, whatever and at what amount.

Example: At 100,000.00 everyone at the Silver reward or above gets a free Batman mini.

Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.

People like free stuff.

People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

Interesting updates from the comments.

 If all 9 regiments haven't been unlocked there will be no problem that you guys pick less regiments from group C and more from the other groups, we will just ask you after the campaign is over which regiments you want so you can choose more regiments from group A/B than from group C if you want 

I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

JP1138 wrote:I'm in. Only for $1 at the moment as I'm selling some Mantic stuff off - but when that's gone I'm hoping to up to at least Bronze level to start a new Kingdoms of Men force for Kings Of War.

That was exactly my thought as well!

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Not really... Unknown company with no previous releases looking $75,000 to make plastic models, which really aren't that good (the drapery is terrible on the swordsmen) ... I doubt this will fund.

Wow, looking forward to this. They'd be a good addition to my Westerosi armies (maybe Tyrells?). I won't back the kickstarter since I'm strapped of cash at the moment, but i'll definitely buy at least one of each box once it's officially released.

Saxon wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Not really... Unknown company with no previous releases looking $75,000 to make plastic models, which really aren't that good (the drapery is terrible on the swordsmen) ... I doubt this will fund.

I have to completely disagree with you on that there not good, I think there fantastic! I cant wait to get my hands on these (but I understand that people have different tastes).

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

GW has pretty much gutted the warhammer fantasy player base that might be very enthusiastic about this project. While these will certainly be enjoyed as stand alone miniatures by many, the potential for massive interest in them as alternative warhammer fantasy miniatures has waned along with the WFB player base.

GW may have influence on it.

But think it it more linked with the company has no previous releases and more importantly look at the 4 giant KS it is going up against.

Arcadia quest just finished

Mercs recon

Super Dungeon Explorer

Dark Lands

I'll be using mine as a KoW Kingdoms of Man army!

It makes me think of Berserk. The wait period is too long for the money I personally would have to put down, but if I had the spare cash right now? I'd be chipping in.

 Piston Honda wrote:

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.....
-snip-
...Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.
People like free stuff.
People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

I have to second this. The promise of free stuff, bonuses and optional extras is what drives the success of a lot of kickstarters. =)

New update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/haste/the-empire-28mm-heroic-scale-medieval-fantasy-huma/posts

Piston Honda wrote:

 Haste Games wrote:


I think it will be around $28 but we will try to lower it as much possible as we can, anyways you can expect free rewards apart from what you are backing

Have you considered advertising at what levels contributors get free stuff.

I can't crunch the numbers obviously but when you look at the more successful Kickstarters, anything CMON does, Kingdom Death, Mercs, etc

they list at what pledge level people kick something free. Be it tokens, special miniatures, whatever and at what amount.

Example: At 100,000.00 everyone at the Silver reward or above gets a free Batman mini.

Being parts of KS for 2 years, I can say 2 things.

People like free stuff.

People like to stare at the screen counting down to free stuff while pressing F5 talking about in the comment section.

Yeah thanks a lot for your feedback, we are studying options like this one.

Schmapdi wrote:I'm surprised this has gotten off to such a slow start ...

Honestly we did many mistakes, its common for first time kickstarter creators

Just have to say I appreciate the constant communication and interaction.

More so on this forum. Something you don't really see from companies. Big or Small. (from my own exp.)

Tre from Red Box is the only one I am aware of off the top of my head.

I don't expect everyone to do it, or be sitting in front of their computer every hour answering questions. But love to see a mild effort.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Just have to say I appreciate the constant communication and interaction.

More so on this forum. Something you don't really see from companies. Big or Small. (from my own exp.)

Tre from Red Box is the only one I am aware of off the top of my head.

I don't expect everyone to do it, or be sitting in front of their computer every hour answering questions. But love to see a mild effort.

Ty, we are trying our best

Questions being raised by haste games whether to switch materials from plastic to resin. It'd makes the goals smaller and the shipping times earlier.

From the kickstarter

"Hi everyone, we have been discussing many options for breaking the goal mark. 

If we change material to high quality resin instead of hard plastic we could unlock 6 regiments when reaching the goal mark, then we could upgrade the material to hard plastic when we reach a high pledge amount. Would all of you still interested in the project if we use resin instead of plastic ? We would appreciate all your feedback."

now I wouldn't mind so much. But I would understand others not being thrilled with an entire army of resin.


kind regards,
Howie.

Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Snark aside, I would have been more interested in something else....and the talk of resin is a big turn off after Mantic ruining that for me. As in a company pulling a bait and switch with materials after people put money in..

I'll pass on this one.

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

 agnosto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

Really? No one I've ever seen playing an army of empire has used pure historicals. Historical models are dwarfed by goblins.

I play Valhallans, they cost a lot, I haven't turned to historical models to substitute the horde of infantry I need. It would look out of scale and I wouldn't get the same enjoyment out of it.




Kind Regards,
Howie.

Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

 agnosto wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Oh look more fantasy/middle-ages humans; there absolutely aren't a gackton of companies already making these...

Last time I checked, there isn't really for fantasy, at least not in hard plastic. I agree that switching to resin (or anything other than "hard plastic") would kill this though.

Yeah but most people who want fantasy humans inevitably turn to historicals... a guy with a sword/halberd/bow is a guy with a sword/halberd/bow....

Do you actually believe the things you say? You have no idea what you're talking about but you just keep talking and talking.

I'm curious as to what miniatures you own and why you bought them. I mean, a future soldier with a laser gun is a future soldier with a laser gun. Why buy a GW Space Marine when you can buy a Grenadier/EM4 Space Ranger for a fraction of the cost?

My 4th-6th ed Warhammer Empire army is not my English Civil War Parliamentarian New Model Army is not my Hundred Years War French army is not my War Of The Roses army is not my Anglo-Danish army is not my Italian Wars Landsknecht army is not the Haste Games army despite them all being Humans With Swords. Unless you're blind or trolling.


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 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

Your army would like like gak then. So you have War of the Roses Perry infantry side by side with English Civil War from hundreds of years later with Harquebusiers as cavalry and Perry American Civil War cannons? With Avatars of War chaos guys mixed in and some WGF Viking units? And this would be your... Warhammer Empire army?

When you play minis games, do you use stones from your driveway for infantry and Coke-Cans-Counts-as-Carnifxes?

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

I won't get into a discussion as judgedoug has done about mixing different historical eras, as I do that with my historical substitutions for LotR and I think it works fine. I have to argue against any historical manufacturer managing to "scale well with WFB" though. I own Perry, Warlord, Gripping Beast, Victrix, and Fireforge. I also have 5th Ed Brets, early 6th Ed Empire, and 6th Ed Brets. You might get away with mixing some of them with 5th/early 6th Ed models, but not current (including 6th Ed Brets) GW at all.

@judgedoug, I PM'd you so as not to derail the thread further.

@Dawnbringer, I agree and I'm not advocating randomly mixing lines together as aesthetics do count for something. The point that I apparently made poorly is that I, personally, would be much more apt to back a kickstarter that didn't do something as boring and overdone as human middle-ages/fantasy miniatures. YMMV and this is just my personal opinion, I don't expect people to agree with me.
If I did a Brettonian army, I think I'd go with Fireforge; they have nearly everything except the trebuchet but crossbowmen instead of bowmen.

With that, gents, I'll bow out of the thread and wish Haste Games the best in the future. I'll keep an eye out to see if they come up with something other than humans later.

Cheers.

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

I just thought I'd post a scale shot with an older empire handgunner with a historical model and an orc, just showing how small they are by comparison.

I'd much rather something that looks good and fits in with the scale or Warhammer,

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

Have you seen any of the Perry WOTR or Warlord Pike and Shotte stuff? Not being facetious, but it doesn't scale well with Warhammer stuff at all. If you wanted a warhammer army composed solely of spears, handguns, some knights, and a few halberds, you could make it work, but none of your core infantry would scale at all with all of the specialist troops you need to make a viable Empire army. The niche that Haste games is trying to exploit is making stuff in plastic that you could actually mix and match with existing WFB empire troops.

Just got an email from Kickstarter saying the project was cancelled. So I guess that's the end of that, for now at least.

Shame that this project never really got off the ground. Hopefully Haste will get their product(s) out in time as I really like the aesthetic of the models. They were just far too ambitious with the scope of this Kickstarter.

The didn't get off to the best of starts, and then the "Would you mind if we changed materials?" question was the end, for all intents and purposes...

Such a shame to see that they've cancelled it. I'm hoping that they've done this so that they can make the original stretch goal smaller and start off in resin with the hope of getting it to plastic

Hi everyone, we decided to cancel the campaign and come back in a reasonable time period with a better product plus some casts done. It was hard to lead it back at that point because of the stretch goals structure that we created which forced the whole campaign from the start to be a 'nothing or everything' project which scared many people to back us. We want to come back with a fresh campaign with a better deal to everyone, from more accessible rewards to a wider variety of products and freebies.

We also want to encourage to all of you to follow us on facebook if you have not done it yet for further updates since the project remains completly alive.

There were a lot of kickstarters running at the moment, It is very tough for a little guy to compete when other companies are running theirs.

I still want hard plastic as an option.

My advice.

Layout your rules and make them available ASAP prior to the KS.

Label freebies clearly on your kickstarter on various goals.

More fluff and background, perhaps an introduction of other races.

Presentation of your models - It's ok to show them individually, but when you showed them as a group shop on round bases people make get the wrong impression. Position them in rank and file as they would be in the game.

Hold off for several months. I wouldn't restart this any where near the next Zombicide cook mini or not kickstarter preorder.

My contribution also, as I was a backer too.

Yes, there were several "big" KS around but this is possible to be the case in the future also. If your product is good the chances to be successful are also high. I think that you have a good product here, therefore it was a matter of scheduling the KS.

As mentioned before the collecting amount was huge for this kind of a product. Mierce, after two very successful KS put as their collecting amount the 20k pounds and in their first one 5k, where they were also offering minis already existing and known for their quality. The reason I started with Mierce was just because I always wanted their Chimera model and now I have the 70% of their line.
Reaper is an even better example, as it is an well known large company.What did they do in their first Bones KS? The initial amount for the project to be funded was 30k $. And they had already realeased some figures made of the new material, therefore customers had an idea before the KS.
This could be an idea to consider if you can afford.

Ant then it was the huge pledge levels and the way the new units were unlocked, which made it very difficult to unlock all the units you showed from the beginning. Everyone who would support this KS would go for an as possible as complete army. Otherwise would be less interested.
The point is that you have to secure that someone who pledges won't reduce his pledge out of project acomplishment reasons. The approach you followed didn't guarantee that.

I really want to see your next effort soon. All the best!

If you want to succeed next time around, I would tell you to start with the most interesting unit you have, in hard plastic. That is not the pseudohistorical mooks (who only become interesting once you've unlocked 5-9 of them), it is your best special unit. Look at Mark's Eisenkarn campaign: did he start with a bunch of armoured men with rifles? No, he started with an eight inch tall articulated mech.

Ideally, this would be a unit that people would be willing to buy on its own - one that could successfully be integrated into other armies even if the rest of your campaign does not fund (you don't want the rest to not fund, but you don't want to create a catch-22 where people are not pledging to unlock the rest of your stuff because the rest of your stuff is not unlocked). If the angels in an Empire army or cervitaurs in a Wood Elf army are aesthetically different, that is more forgivable than if the swordmen stand out from the riflemen in the same way.

Alex brings up a VERY good point - and that sounds like good advice to me!

Bring the Sexy first, and then the rest will follow...

I'd be tempted to check out the sexy.

I'm not a collector of the historical type figures, but am always swayed by the lure of interesting fantasy figures.

I know Barzam and I were discussing this one over the weekend, and Barzam is just as particular about steering clear of historical figures as I am.

The fact that we'd both be willing to give things a fair shake the second time around is a good sign.

Hard plastic, unique designs... sounds like a good recipe for success. Will go hunt down the facebook page this afternoon.

I do think Alex has the right of it. Start with the model that makes everyone say "I don't know for certain what I'll use it for, but I WANT THAT NOW ANYWAY."

As I see it the problems you faced were:
1. Running a campaign for a single fantasy-based army. Fantasy isn't as big as sci-fi, so less of a customer pool available for it, especially with only a single army on offer.
2. Running a campaign for a single army, without the entire army unlocked at the start. This automatically reduces initial pledges, as many people will want to wait for more units to become unlocked before pledging, as almost nobody really wants an army with only three units available in the same aesthetic and having to fill out with different looking models.
3. The high cost. Not the cost for the models themselves ($20-something for a box is very reasonable), but how much money you would have needed to unlock even half of the whole army.

Alex already mentioned, above, the Dreamforge campaign. Mark was able to offer two giant robots, smaller scale versions, and an entire scifi army with a total pledge amount of $205,971. How much would $200,000 have unlocked in your campaign? I ask this, because Mark was able to accomplish that because he had a very good partner for the plastics production: Wargames Factory. How many plastics companies did you shop around for before making your final selection? I know plastics production isn't cheap to get off the ground, but I can't help but think there could have been a better deal out there for you.

I loved the love of the Empire army, had enough grittyness without being covered in skulls. One thing I'd suggest is to bulk out the background of your world.

Thinking about the ks last night, one thought was why not aim for a starter set launch? Aim for maybe 3 units from two forces, multi sprued like the 40k box to maximise sprue use and once that funds add on extra units as addons.

You'd only need 3 pledge levels. One for addons only, one for the basic box game and one higher pledge that would gain some of the extra units as they unlocked.

I'd keep it simple and break up the big stretch goals with resin figure addons unlocked inbetween.

You wouldn't even need to include a big glossy rulebook just a glossy magazine like book with the current rules for ks backers to playtest your rules before a full launch.

This is just how I'd launch a new game, and I'm sure many would disagree. However if you want people using your figures for more than wfb proxies it maybe worth considering.

Oh and if you could team up with Wargames Factory I'm sure it would be worth the wait for the goods. Their experience and good reputation add alot to a kickstarter campaign.

If I am might add another bit of helpful advice, get some resin masters, send them to some reputable game review site, and ask them to post up comparison photos of your models and the models you claim they scale with. A single photo lets people understand instantly how they will look next to their existing models.

Again, I would echo Alex's advice, find a unit that people will want to buy on its own, and fund that first.

Your pseudo historical models were nice, but you would need a whole bunch of units in order for them to become a viable alternative for massed battles, and no single unit was so spectacular that people would want to buy it on their own.

Here are some ideas of types of units that in my opinion would pique the interest of the community:
1)Monstrous cavalry in hard plastic. Horse sized creatures in hard plastic will always be a hit because they can be shoehorned into many different armies by swapping out riders (make sure you have generic leg options and add on saddles preferably). They are currently popular in WFB. Look at how many warhammer players have converted cavalry riding Cold Ones and White Lions.
2) Scenery. Barrels, fences, ruined walls, small animals, a wagon, buildings not covered in skulls. GW discontinued selling all of their injection plastic scenery, so the field is wide open.
3) Dinosaurs/Dragons The fantasy equivalent of giant stompy robots in sci-fi.

Additionally, some good ideas for stretch goals would be adding neat little bits to already funded sprues. For example, "If we hit $X we will include an arm holding a lantern, a backpack, and this head with a characterful scar on the swordmen sprue" Or even better, make a series of stretch goals that funds tooling an accessory sprue that is an optional add on to pledges. Each goal adds another interesting piece to the sprue. This could pull in people who are more interested in the skirmish scene, without dampening the enthusiasm of the "I just want tons of troops" crowd.

 Gallahad wrote:
3) Dinosaurs/Dragons The fantasy equivalent of giant stompy robots in sci-fi.

Not really. Mechs and tanks are both far better suited for HIPS kits than dinosaurs and dragons because they have mechanical joints. That means that you can change the pose without worrying about the musculature getting screwed up, which means you can buy half a dozen of them without having half a dozen dragons all in the exact same pose. For fantasy, you're more likely to end up with this.

There are a ton of things you could make that could more credibly be fielded in multiples, while still being interesting. Some of them could even work for your Empire faction.

The key is that it has to be hard plastic... that's a major major selling point at the moment. There's resin everywhere, metal too, but hard plastic is something almost everyone prefers, and if you can do it, do it.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
3) Dinosaurs/Dragons The fantasy equivalent of giant stompy robots in sci-fi.

Not really. Mechs and tanks are both far better suited for HIPS kits than dinosaurs and dragons because they have mechanical joints. That means that you can change the pose without worrying about the musculature getting screwed up, which means you can buy half a dozen of them without having half a dozen dragons all in the exact same pose. For fantasy, you're more likely to end up with this.

There are a ton of things you could make that could more credibly be fielded in multiples, while still being interesting. Some of them could even work for your Empire faction.

My comment was about which units are likely to bring in pledges, not the difficulties of manufacturing. I agree that dragons are harder to tool than robots.

What do you think are some of the tons of things they could make that could more credibly be fielded in multiples? Specifics will be very helpful to Haste Games.

I think one thing they could possibly look at is weapon swap options for their units - people might be willing to pick up 5 boxes of swordsmen if, for example, there was the option for hatchets or flails, or replacing the handgunner's muskets with, say, crossbows. Adding that extra versitility (an extra sprue in each box?) seems to me like it would increase their appeal a lot.

 Micky wrote:
I think one thing they could possibly look at is weapon swap options for their units - people might be willing to pick up 5 boxes of swordsmen if, for example, there was the option for hatchets or flails, or replacing the handgunner's muskets with, say, crossbows. Adding that extra versitility (an extra sprue in each box?) seems to me like it would increase their appeal a lot.

This sounds like a very good idea too.

Never mind the old standby of beating the competition in terms of quality AND quantity!

I would not force us to take 5 from choice A, 5 from choice B, and 5 form choice C. Just do number of boxes. I did not want to join in this KS because I did not care for some of the models but would have to buy them if I wanted to make a large purchase. I also agree with adding weapon choices. Being able to swap a crossbow with a handgun allow more choices and time periods.

I really, really hope this comes back. The aesthetic was brilliant and I loved the look of the models. I was down for $300 and ready to grab some of the extra hero stuff... this would make such a great Empire army, and frankly better (my opinion) than any of the stuff from GW.

 agnosto wrote:
Hi Howie. The renders in this thread look great, don't get me wrong but if I wanted a WFB empire army, I'd probably go Perry Brothers' hard plastics or Warlord historical for the rank and file, artillery and cavalry. Avatars of war if I wanted them to have a chaos feel. They all scale well with WFB as does wargames factory's vikings. There was a polish company making some damn sex vikings in heroic 28mm as well but I can't recall the company name.

You must have eyesite problems. Teh Perry stuff and Wargames Factory stuff is tiny next to WFB figures. They look almost laughably bad on the same table.


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And I clicked on this threadd to get the link to join in the KS :( I sooo want these figures!

re the Dreamforge campaign, wasn't that also because WGF was fronting a portion of the costs? Basically credit? Otherwise it would have been significantly more expensive...

 Gallahad wrote:
My comment was about which units are likely to bring in pledges, not the difficulties of manufacturing. I agree that dragons are harder to tool than robots.

And I'm saying those manufacturing difficulties make it less likely for a single customer to buy 2+ dragons than 2+ mechs or 2+ tanks. Even if you have a ruleset that allows squadrons of dragonriders, you don't want all your dragons in one pose.

What do you think are some of the tons of things they could make that could more credibly be fielded in multiples? Specifics will be very helpful to Haste Games.

The best example I can think of, and the one I would consider if I were in charge of a new fantasy HIPS manufacturer, is cervitaurs - like Warcraft's dryads and Keepers of the Grove - as my first kit. Mechanically they're similar to the various types of elf cavalry in the game, including Core, so they could find a place in Warhammer, while aesthetically they're something unique in plastic yet well known, and being a different race could be passed off as allies to a bunch of wood elves even if the art style is a bit different. Plus, centaurs and cervitaurs look better if there's a better balance in the size of the two parts, so they could be done with smaller sprues than proper cavalry.

What do you think are some of the tons of things they could make that could more credibly be fielded in multiples? Specifics will be very helpful to Haste Games.

The best example I can think of, and the one I would consider if I were in charge of a new fantasy HIPS manufacturer, is cervitaurs - like Warcraft's dryads and Keepers of the Grove - as my first kit. Mechanically they're similar to the various types of elf cavalry in the game, including Core, so they could find a place in Warhammer, while aesthetically they're something unique in plastic yet well known, and being a different race could be passed off as allies to a bunch of wood elves even if the art style is a bit different. Plus, centaurs and cervitaurs look better if there's a better balance in the size of the two parts, so they could be done with smaller sprues than proper cavalry.

Since this discussion is less specifically about Haste Games, I've created a new thread here.

Can't believe I missed this.

The minis are gorgeous and would love to buy loads. They are superior sculpts to both GW and Mantic and they are just plain wonderful.

Only in hard plastic though, no interest in expensive resin.

Would rather have one kit released in hard plastic than 8 released in resin.

Stick with the basic infantry first as a priority, try to include a few alt weapon options if possible... a kit that is primarily swordsmen, but has a few spear and halberd arms on as well would be great.

Their facebook page is pretty quiet, so not sure what they're up to... but I really want these guys

Hopefully they are taking their time to correct all problems. Working on releasing the rules and perhaps a working on a unique faction.

Ideally it would have been great if they were able to release ample product.

Either way, I will be ready when or if they are. No Hurry.

Its too bad this company quited

ATXMILEY wrote:
Its too bad this company quited

Out of curiosity why did you bump this out of no where?

At any rate, I can't guarantee they quite... yet.

What I can say is they they have been slowly working on making and releasing a single box set of miniatures made in HIPs. It will be a slower progress as the funds are coming out of their own pocket. They want to release a product, show what they can do and achieve then start another *possible* kickstarter but at a much smaller scale and funding goal.

That is all assuming they don't get burned out, lose motivation and/or get side tracked from other work. Which is possible IMO. The artist have done work in the video game industry, one of their more notable titles they worked for was the Elder Scrolls games.

 Piston Honda wrote:

ATXMILEY wrote:
Its too bad this company quited

What I can say is they they have been slowly working on making and releasing a single box set of miniatures made in HIPs. It will be a slower progress as the funds are coming out of their own pocket. They want to release a product, show what they can do and achieve then start another *possible* kickstarter but at a much smaller scale and funding goal.

That is all assuming they don't get burned out, lose motivation and/or get side tracked from other work. Which is possible IMO. The artist have done work in the video game industry, one of their more notable titles they worked for was the Elder Scrolls games.

That is good news! Id definitely by a few boxes of the basic infantry when released.

PM Sent to ya edlowe

 Piston Honda wrote:
PM Sent to ya edlowe

Cheers for the info Piston, sounds like their going down the right route, im hoping they can make an announcement soon.

So keen for said announcement