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Post by: Darth Bob
That's a really badass model.
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Post by: sing your life
I can't get over the proportions...
[It's standard dire troll body and MK arms]
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, the proportions are really, really out of whack. My brain keeps telling me that his hand is REALLY close to me, while his body is like a foot back from it at least. If I just stare at his face, it starts to shrink his hands. My brain is probably right.
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Post by: Cyporiean
'Heroic-Scale: The Mini'
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Post by: Wehrkind
"Oh... well when your email said ' a heroic dire troll' I just assumed you meant.... I mean, can we still make it? It took like, 400 hours..."
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Post by: Starfarer
Proportions be damned, this was my first though seeing that dire troll:
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Post by: ImAGeek
I am starting a trollbloods army
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Post by: Joyboozer
I already started a Trollblood army! Ha, I one upped a cat!
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Post by: Thanatos73
I have a Trollblood army and this makes me want to dust them off again. I always try to get into Hordes but I never really stick with them. Multiple Warmachine factions always hold my attention much more than Hordes for some reason.
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Post by: Maddermax
The more I look at this guy, the more awesome he seems - the details and sculpting are awesome, but the paint job just makes him pop. Just looking at the cracked fingernails, manky toenails and inflamed gums really makes him come to life 
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Post by: sing your life
If I had a trollblood army, I would be unlikely to stop myself from buying this damned thing.
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Post by: Surtur
Update in the first post
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Post by: Platuan4th
Seriously guys, who's going to Lock And Load, I need a Ninja for Cephalyx.
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Post by: Surtur
Updated the first post a bit more. Now with unit pic and stats!
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Post by: frozenwastes
I really like the Cephalyx release. When the eDene tier list came out, I finally picked up some of the existing Cephalyx stuff and really liked the models. I hope the plastics turn out good. My friend's bane cav were great in terms of quality, as were about half of the convergence stuff another guy got. I'm a bit wary of the plastic unit box after seeing some of the small base convergence stuff.
Love all the rules though. Just solid fun stuff. I can't stand the nyss hunter miniatures, so I might get a box of Dark Eldar wyches and put them on 30mm bases as I think they'd really go well with the cephalyx models and give me a non-ugly option for nyss hunters with the donimator.
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Post by: Enigma Crisis
I found my replacement models for Wracks and Grotesques.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Way, WAY ahead of you. The old ones have been used in my Dark Eldar for years as Haemonculi and Wracks/Grotesques, even in the old book. I'm already in a pretty good position for not spending much when it comes to them, I've already god 2x Max of the original unit and 2x Overlords built and painted. Add in the Cryx solos and I just need ET, a pair of the solos, and a couple Monstrosities to hit 35.
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Post by: insaniak
Sooo... turns out I need to buy some Cephalyx stuff, or I may die.
It's possible that's a slight exageration, but I can't see any logical reason to take that chance.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
I'm so glad I left GW for this. Trollbloods are awesome.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
What the ? I practically need for my big guns Gunnbjorn army! AWESOME!
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
New, beefier gators on the way...plus to all your prospective Troll players, plastic Runeshapers (with a price drop--yep switching to plastic got cheaper with this company)---and an EBDT plastic kit. Not going to post the Runeshapers/EBDT--it's the same models/poses as before, just plastic/cheaper. But new Gators!
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Post by: Schmapdi
Very nice - like the new gators. I hope some of the other gator stuff hits plastic too, I'd like to see the Wrastler get updated and the Bull be bigger.
I'm surprised about the plastic Runeshapers/EBDT - I wouldn't think a small unit and a relatively rare Dire Troll would get plastics before say ... The Kriel Warriors that everyone wants to be plastic (because a full unit is $$$)
Very nice savings on the Runeshapers too.
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Post by: motyak
Well, it's a relatively small unit that makes up Runes of War, which is Doomy101, so that may have had something to do with it. And the EBDT is a great Dire I think, and shows up quite a lot in brick lists for its animus.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I've wanted a Dire Troll for some time, so it's great news for me.
Was planning on picking up some Gators this week, and I still will. Those new ones will be icing on the cake, especially with all my Mierce ones to play with them and intermingle!
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Post by: Surtur
Threw the pics of the new plastics in the first post. Also, nephelim bloodseer
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Post by: AduroT
 Platuan4th wrote:
Way, WAY ahead of you. The old ones have been used in my Dark Eldar for years as Haemonculi and Wracks/Grotesques, even in the old book.
I find this very amusing because I Hate the look of the Drudges and use Dark Eldar Wracks in place of mine because I find them to be a Much better sculpt.
Also, I'm super bummed that none of the new Cephalyx stuff will work in a Cryx army. Super bummed.
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Post by: Elemental
New Gators look great, apart from the dancing leader. If I get them, I think I'll pose him to be standing on a half-eaten corpse, or something.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 AduroT wrote: Platuan4th wrote:
Way, WAY ahead of you. The old ones have been used in my Dark Eldar for years as Haemonculi and Wracks/Grotesques, even in the old book.
I find this very amusing because I Hate the look of the Drudges and use Dark Eldar Wracks in place of mine because I find them to be a Much better sculpt.
Well, when I started doing it, it was still the previous book and the only option we had were these:
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
 motyak wrote:Well, it's a relatively small unit that makes up Runes of War, which is Doomy101, so that may have had something to do with it. And the EBDT is a great Dire I think, and shows up quite a lot in brick lists for its animus.
After having to assemble one, the EBDT needed to be plastic IMHO. I'm pretty sure I could put him in a sock and beat someone to death if I had to as well. Maybe the heaviest Warjack/Warbeast kit?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Unhappy to see the gorgeous EBDT go to plastic since I don't believe the new material will keep the texture.
Glad to see the runeshapers plastic with a price drop, since those models were just absurdly expensive in metal, and only okay looking.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Might well be, though the metal gnarlhorn is pretty darned heavy himself. And of course the extreme kits... the Extreme Juggernaut weighs just about 216 grams.
I definitely am liking the new gatormen, even if the bokor looks like he just stepped on a board with a nail it in. I will have to finally pick them up this summer. The only thing I feel they need is some necklaces or bangles or something; they are a little plain as they stand. Not pants or whatever, but I feel like sentient beings need to decorate themselves a bit.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Wehrkind wrote:Might well be, though the metal gnarlhorn is pretty darned heavy himself. And of course the extreme kits... the Extreme Juggernaut weighs just about 216 grams. I definitely am liking the new gatormen, even if the bokor looks like he just stepped on a board with a nail it in. I will have to finally pick them up this summer. The only thing I feel they need is some necklaces or bangles or something; they are a little plain as they stand. Not pants or whatever, but I feel like sentient beings need to decorate themselves a bit.
Yeah, as a Gator fanboi, I really like them(not sure if I like 'em better than the originals, I like how realistically close to upright Gators they are), but they'd be even better with the danglies and necklaces of the originals. Welp, definitely standing in line for PP day one of Gencon. Too much potential Blindwater goodness to miss out on.
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Post by: Alpharius
EBDT?
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Post by: sing your life
A 3 man unit in plastic. I was NOT excepting that.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Well, they are big models for infantry. It is surprising, but those things about about the size of most other faction's light warbeasts, and you get three, so it makes as much sense as plastic Argus breeds 
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Post by: Maddermax
Wehrkind wrote:Might well be, though the metal gnarlhorn is pretty darned heavy himself. And of course the extreme kits... the Extreme Juggernaut weighs just about 216 grams.
I definitely am liking the new gatormen, even if the bokor looks like he just stepped on a board with a nail it in. I will have to finally pick them up this summer. The only thing I feel they need is some necklaces or bangles or something; they are a little plain as they stand. Not pants or whatever, but I feel like sentient beings need to decorate themselves a bit.
Honestly, looking at him, just put his front foot standing on a slain enemy/rock/dead beast/jack, and the pose will seem completely different (from "rain dance" to triumphant).
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Post by: AduroT
Platuan4th wrote: AduroT wrote: Platuan4th wrote:
Way, WAY ahead of you. The old ones have been used in my Dark Eldar for years as Haemonculi and Wracks/Grotesques, even in the old book.
I find this very amusing because I Hate the look of the Drudges and use Dark Eldar Wracks in place of mine because I find them to be a Much better sculpt.
Well, when I started doing it, it was still the previous book and the only option we had were these:
Eeeeaaaauuugggeee... Ok, yeah, fair enough, those are even worse than the Drudge Slave models.
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Post by: George L.
I really hope the new nephlim comes with bits for the other nephlim variants. Really liking the new gators though. Will have to replace mine
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Post by: Platuan4th
George L. wrote:I really hope the new nephlim comes with bits for the other nephlim variants.
It won't. Plastic Lights would be as really expensive as multi-kits.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Sadly no plastic light released so far has been a multi-kit, so I'm not expecting one here.
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Post by: TechMarine1
Darn it! I wasn't planning on doing a Cephalyx force, but those are some really good alternatives for wracks, grotesques and heamonculi.
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Post by: Avian
New druid somethingorother. Looks like a Blackclad crossed with a Stone Keeper (though more of a Stone Smasher, I guess).
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Post by: Platuan4th
Circle of Orboros Earthbender.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Needs more cloak. 30 feet isnt long enough!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That big crazy cloak will come in handy for modeling and attaching all the floating rock pieces to.
Curious to see what that sculpt will look like.
Has there been any more word on that Farrow Doomblade we saw artwork for a while back?
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Post by: Surtur
Updated first post. Hail to the king baby!
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Post by: Schmapdi
Daaaaamn that's cool looking.
** Oooh - the non-LE versions of the junior casters are up to.
I think I like the non-limited Jakes better.
I prefer LE Aikos, (though I'm not a big fan of either)
LE Tristan (though both are pretty cool imo)
and LE Gastone (regular Gastone has a weird pose, looks like he has a stomache ache.
Elara and Malakov I'm ambivalent. Elara's pose is very similar to the LE though, just kinda mirrored. The non LE Malakov has a better pose IMO, but doesn't have the snobby feel of the LE one.
Overall I'm pretty happy I bought the LE ones, but the regular ones are pretty nice too. So I think I'd be pretty happy either way really. Nice way to handle Limited Edition stuff PP!
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Post by: AduroT
Man the front legs on the horse to our right just look poorly posed.
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I have no idea why Derpy Hooves is carting captain shoulderpads around, or how that thing even moves. 
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Schmapdi wrote:Daaaaamn that's cool looking.
** Oooh - the non- LE versions of the junior casters are up to.
I think I like the non-limited Jakes better.
I prefer LE Aikos, (though I'm not a big fan of either)
LE Tristan (though both are pretty cool imo)
and LE Gastone (regular Gastone has a weird pose, looks like he has a stomache ache.
Elara and Malakov I'm ambivalent. Elara's pose is very similar to the LE though, just kinda mirrored. The non LE Malakov has a better pose IMO, but doesn't have the snobby feel of the LE one.
Overall I'm pretty happy I bought the LE ones, but the regular ones are pretty nice too. So I think I'd be pretty happy either way really. Nice way to handle Limited Edition stuff PP!
it does seem like Malakov is the only one with a different look...
i'm glad i chose Commander Sturgis to paint for the Clash for a Cure charity auction...
seems i grabbed the only really unique LE character to paint ...
at least people who missed out on the Kickstarter will not feel so left out anymore...
cheers
jah
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Post by: Laughing Man
I'd give it a couple weeks before Sturgis gets his own place on the website. Don't think he's getting a different sculpt though, IIRC.
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Post by: Backfire
AduroT wrote:Man the front legs on the horse to our right just look poorly posed.
You'd look stiff too with all that armour and bling on... It really wouldn't hurt PP to have slightly bigger pictures about their minis.
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Post by: AduroT
Backfire wrote: AduroT wrote:Man the front legs on the horse to our right just look poorly posed.
You'd look stiff too with all that armour and bling on...
It really wouldn't hurt PP to have slightly bigger pictures about their minis.
It's not Just stiff though, the legs are out of sync as well.
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Post by: frozenwastes
I don't think PP has ever done horses well. These aren't the worst they've done. But if they were the best they've ever done, they'd still be mediocre. Even Uhlans have this wonky young foal look to them.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Horgol is looking pretty good! Imperatus looks good so far as Ret 'jacks go; never really liked their aesthetic much myself.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Played with Horgle this weekend, I think he'll find a permanent spot in my pGrim list--running a Pyre/Slag combo and hotswapping Hotshot.
Imperatus is going to be a nightmare to face against...
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Post by: Laughing Man
So I'm starting an Everblight army now.
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Post by: RiTides
That troll is cool. Nice, dynamic pose!
And those horses are terrible...
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Post by: Schmapdi
Stuff like this and the Journeyman convinces me that they really need to go back and re-sculpt more of the older Warcasters. They've really come a long way in a pretty short amount of time.
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Post by: Tanakosyke22
 malfred wrote:http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warlocks/absylonia-daughter-of-everblight
Epic Abby
Malfred, stop that. You are making me want to try Legion. 
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Post by: malfred
 Tanakosyke22 wrote: malfred wrote:http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warlocks/absylonia-daughter-of-everblight
Epic Abby
Malfred, stop that. You are making me want to try Legion.
Pffft, there is evidence that you can't get over certain stylistic things with the faction
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Post by: Maddermax
Nice!
Apparently she'll have Conferred Rage (like Butcher2) and from her description it sounds like she'll give some sort of mutation ability to her beasts, which would be cool. I think she has a lot of potential, can't wait to see the full spoilers this weekend
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Post by: frozenwastes
That's actually a pretty big miniature. That's a 40mm base she's on.
I think a couple local legion players will get her and I'll end up playing against her. I'll stick to my skorne for Hordes.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Wow, that is a pretty awesome looking model! Can't wait to see what she does.
I really wish PP could put out models like that and Horgol more often. They are about 40/60 hit/miss with me, maybe 35/65. I love the game so much, but I hate having to buy the models. :(
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Post by: frozenwastes
Wehrkind wrote:Wow, that is a pretty awesome looking model! Can't wait to see what she does.
I really wish PP could put out models like that and Horgol more often. They are about 40/60 hit/miss with me, maybe 35/65. I love the game so much, but I hate having to buy the models. :(
I just finished a painting comission for the entire convergence of cyriss line released so far and I know exactly what you mean. The metal models are mostly okay, but the plastics are especially inconsistent. The cyriss light jacks were my least favorite thing to paint ever and the small based models had horrific mould lines and everything needed heat treatment to straighten out the weapons. I was originally going to do Cephalyx but when I found out just how much the initial release is plastic, I decided to stick with the eDeneghra tier list with Cephalyx instead. I have 75 points of Cryx, 75 of Khador, 20ish of Mercs and I got a bunch of metal skorne in a trade, so I'm pretty much good for WM/H and have moved into historicals in a big way instead.
eAbby looks great though. Too bad the model will be paired up with things like banana-hands scythian and the terrible hobgoblins they call nyss.
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Post by: Wehrkind
 frozenwastes wrote:
eAbby looks great though. Too bad the model will be paired up with things like banana-hands scythian and the terrible hobgoblins they call nyss.
Oh man, yea. The only things that can make me want to buy GW lately are Nyss heads; I am told Wytch heads swap nicely for them.
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Post by: RiTides
Agreed, both on PP plastics and their high "miss rate" on sculpts. It's crazy for what is now a really established company bringing in a lot of revenue to continue both trends... and to top it off, duplicate, non-poseable sculpts in every unit, even most small ones!
I would love if they would move away from PVC / restic... it works fine on larger jacks and beasts, imo, but does not lend itself to small infantry well at all. But I think they're moving much more towards it, instead... a local friend who picked up Cyriss said the same thing about those models, and that's one of their newest lines 
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Post by: Alpharius
How's PP's customer service then?
As good as GW's when it comes to replacing miscasts?
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Post by: Wehrkind
I don't know about miscasts, but I have never had problems getting them to replace missing cards or parts.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Yes. You send them an e-mail. A short time later you have all your replacement parts.
That's not service btw. That is required by the law in any country. If you as a company fail to deliver the product (or parts of it), you are OBLIGED by the law to fulfill it.
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Post by: Alpharius
If you've never had miscasts, that's a pretty good indicator of overall quality, maybe?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 Alpharius wrote:If you've never had miscasts, that's a pretty good indicator of overall quality, maybe?
I haven't had miscasts, but have had poorly mixed/set resin, which I find way worse since you can figure that out too late (have one colossal that I needed to brace with scenery so it would stay standing up). Their QC and replacement policy/communication is about on par with any medium-sized minis company I've gotten stuff from.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Well, I also haven't gotten any of the models known for miscasts, so there's that. My plastics are limited mostly to Circle wolves and argusses and skinwalkers. I have heard locals complaining about Cyriss stuff a fair bit, but I have no personal experience.
In terms of replacement of missing bits and service, it is true it is required, but how they go about executing that requirement has a huge amount of leeway. PP never asked questions about replacing cards for me, and only asked if I could send a picture of the two right arms I got with Megalith. In all cases the turnaround time was very quick, which is good compared to some companies that have given me a run around for a few weeks (CMoN).
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Cyriss seems to get the most flak in regard to bad castings.
My trolls have been all over the place in terms of plastics quality. I've got some Dire Trolls that were flawless, while others were just covered in flash in all the worst places.
I've got champions that were great, and warders (basically same mold) that I have yet to touch because the rampant flash and mold lines on them has not made me want to even open the box up again, they were going to require so much work!
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Champions/Warders are one of their better units too. I had a miscast champion and a few card issues. They sent replacements within 3 days of getting the email.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Wehrkind wrote: frozenwastes wrote: eAbby looks great though. Too bad the model will be paired up with things like banana-hands scythian and the terrible hobgoblins they call nyss.
Oh man, yea. The only things that can make me want to buy GW lately are Nyss heads; I am told Wytch heads swap nicely for them.
I don't buy GW stuff much anymore, but I'm thinking of adding Nyss Hunters to my cryx and instead of getting the actual models, I might just get a box of dark eldar wyches. Instead of bows they'll have strange crxian pistols and their general aesthetic will probably fit pretty well. Locally I've seen someone use glade guard as Nyss Hunters. I've also seen Dark Elf corsairs in a Legion army. PP makes great rules and a good portion of their miniatures are awesome as well, but it's sad that I'm honestly considering playing the game with GW models after having left 40k and WFB long ago. Automatically Appended Next Post: When I started the entire faction commission, I started with the large jacks and the medium base infantry and they were all fine. Then I got the light jacks to paint along with all the small based plastic infantry. That's where the problems were. Though I have heard from people who have had really bad mould lines on their heavies. The ones I worked on were flawless.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
EAbsylonia:You now want to start legion
Me:No, I want to finish my khador and do trollbloods
EAbsylonia: But look at me
Wallet: Dont listen to her, you already started IG, dont listen to her
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Post by: RiTides
Whoa, I picked up Una the Falconer for a friend at AdeptiCon, but had never seen the painted pic... that model is sweet!
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Post by: Wehrkind
Was that friend not me? Or did you just forget to tell me?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That Cephalyx is looking like he's doing Maximus' "Are you not entertained?" pose. Like there isn't enough bloodshed on the field as it stands...
That Falconer is going to be one of those pieces that I bet sees a lot of action in painting competitions. It just looks really nice done up nicely. Too bad I can't paint one that nice (nor do I want to start yet another faction).
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Post by: RiTides
It was one of our local press gangers (Andrew) . Sorry, next time I'll check if you want something! (I didn't offer but he texted me while there to see if I could nab it)
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Post by: Wehrkind
 RiTides wrote:
It was one of our local press gangers (Andrew) . Sorry, next time I'll check if you want something! (I didn't offer but he texted me while there to see if I could nab it)
Eh no worries. I think Jin was supposed to get the Circle releases for me, but was hung over and still wiping the powder off his nose by the time they sold out.
Just wanted to check because I had just put in a MM order Monday for Una and the lights and didn't want to find out there was one waiting for me at your house
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Post by: malfred
Wehrkind wrote: RiTides wrote:
It was one of our local press gangers (Andrew) . Sorry, next time I'll check if you want something! (I didn't offer but he texted me while there to see if I could nab it)
Eh no worries. I think Jin was supposed to get the Circle releases for me, but was hung over and still wiping the powder off his nose by the time they sold out.
Just wanted to check because I had just put in a MM order Monday for Una and the lights and didn't want to find out there was one waiting for me at your house
It wasn't just on his nose.
Just saying.
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Post by: frozenwastes
All the solos and unit attachments from the skarlock commander to the iron fang kovnik to the cephalyx dominator have all gone into crazy land in terms of prices. I just got the blister of three overlords and they were $22 for three models. $18 for one? No sale.
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Post by: AduroT
Can't wait to get Imperitus. I've been proxying him in games and he's So Good.
I've swapped Nyss Hunter heads for various Dark Eldar unhelmeted heads on several units and I think it looks really good, depending of course on which heads you get your hands on. I've got a unit I'm going to put the Scourge masked heads on eventually, but not gotten around to it.
I love Una's model, except the staff. That stick of hers is just way too busy with the birds on it like that. Plus she's apparently stupid strong to hold it up off the ground like that.
Are you actually emailing PP for missing parts or are you using the portal? I've never had a miscast metal or resin part, and while their plastic is a crap material, I've never gotten any with mold lines or other issues that made it nessisary to replace them. I have had missing or wrong parts multiple times but filling out that missing parts form portal on their site always gets that fixed in short order.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I have used the portal, and I think emailed them once or twice, though I don't remember why I emailed them... either way, neither experience was memorable other than "Well, that went well."
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Post by: RiTides
Wehrkind, just a quick note that I will be ordering some cards from PP next month, so remind me this time to ask you if you need anything before putting it in
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Schmapdi wrote:
Stuff like this and the Journeyman convinces me that they really need to go back and re-sculpt more of the older Warcasters. They've really come a long way in a pretty short amount of time.
Yes, please. Both Deneghra's are terrible. Give her the Goreshade treatment... his new mini is incredible. Haley could also use a re-do.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Generally speaking, their portal service is top notch. However, my one bad (I wasn't upset more than amused) experience;
Ordered a couple of blisters, missing an arm and a card.
Fill out portal.
Week later, get the arm, no card.
Send a picture of the original ticket, open a ticket stating "Thanks for the arm--still missing the card though"
Week later, get the wrong card.
Send a picture of the original ticket, next to the second ticket, open a new ticket stating "Thanks for the arm and the card, that's the wrong card though"
Week later, get the right card.
What made me chuckle, was on my 3rd ticket--whomever had processed it highlighted the card name, drew a line under, drew a circle around it and had two arrows pointing to it with all caps stating "PLEASE GET THIS CARD AND DOUBLE CHECK IT PLEASE!!"
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Post by: sing your life
I'd quite like a Darius who doesn't half seem to go to battle in a toilet bowl, if any caster is being re-made.
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Post by: malfred
Their new lock and load exclusive which can be purchased on their webstore this weekend:
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/privateer-exclusives/gobber-drudges
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Gobber drudges, their bodies broken and minds bent to the will of the cephalyx, can take the place of drudges in a Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges unit or serve as fun and characterful additions to your model collection! Debuting at Lock & Load GameFest 2014, these Privateer Exclusive models are also available from the Privateer Press Online Store during the event, June 6-8.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
So, a unit of three identical models. They are fun and cool and all, but seriously, PP, what with the identical twin syndrome!
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Post by: AduroT
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:So, a unit of three identical models. They are fun and cool and all, but seriously, PP, what with the identical twin syndrome!
They're not a full unit in fairness, but models that will replace some of the existing models in a six/ten man unit.
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Surtur wrote:http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/units/cephalyx-dominator
When is this coming out? I need a Psycho Mantis mini.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:So, a unit of three identical models. They are fun and cool and all, but seriously, PP, what with the identical twin syndrome!
No, they're meant to be supplemental models to an already existing unit.
You're not supposed to have a unit of just gobber drudges all in the same pose. They're an expansion of poses for the unit above.
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malfred wrote:Their new lock and load exclusive which can be purchased on their webstore this weekend:
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/privateer-exclusives/gobber-drudges
Gobber drudges, their bodies broken and minds bent to the will of the cephalyx, can take the place of drudges in a Cephalyx Mind Bender & Drudges unit or serve as fun and characterful additions to your model collection! Debuting at Lock & Load GameFest 2014, these Privateer Exclusive models are also available from the Privateer Press Online Store during the event, June 6-8.
Those gobbers got swag...if it wasn't so expensive to get them mailed to Aus, I'd pick them up. Ah well, theres always the second hand market. Because they aren't available after L&L, right?
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Post by: frozenwastes
That said, I am out on the cephalyx. I'm not a fan of the bent spine drudges, I dislike their grey pvc plastic for small models, their metal solo prices are terrible and their monstrosities are based on the same pose with no option for customization. I drastically modified my Menoth heavies so they could be in different poses like running, bracing for shooting, swinging their melee weapon and I just don't see the potential for anything like that with the monstrosities. They're too samey.
So instead, I'll grab Nightmare to finish off all the options for the NQ eDeneghra list. and be happy with my metal cephalyx and completely avoid the overpriced solos and crappy plastic models.
The existing metal drudges are also getting redone in plastic with the same bent spine poses I don't like. So I won't be getting another unit of those guys:
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motyak wrote:
Those gobbers got swag...if it wasn't so expensive to get them mailed to Aus, I'd pick them up. Ah well, theres always the second hand market. Because they aren't available after L&L, right?
All of the convention exclusives are subject to the "As Matt Wilson wills it" clause.
Will they show up at the later conventions? As Matt Wilson wills it.
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Post by: motyak
 solkan wrote: motyak wrote:
Those gobbers got swag...if it wasn't so expensive to get them mailed to Aus, I'd pick them up. Ah well, theres always the second hand market. Because they aren't available after L&L, right?
All of the convention exclusives are subject to the "As Matt Wilson wills it" clause.
Will they show up at the later conventions? As Matt Wilson wills it.
Cheers. I'll hold onto hope then.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Im not sure if lega, but Dozer an smigg.
I was planning on a Gunnbjorn and blizter army, this just makes it sweeter.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Uh yeah...RAT 9 Bombers and Warwagons under eGrim is going to do some work...
MAT 5 makes me sad but he's 9 points, which is much cheaper than I thought. Plus under eGrim's feat turn he'll be RAT 8 if aiming/animus/mark target with arcing fire. That plus a Bomber (or two) will be a pretty big "No no" zone for enemy casters, whatever they be camping.
4 POW 16's with boosted damage at RAT 9? Yes please.
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Post by: malfred
 AgeOfEgos wrote:Uh yeah... RAT 9 Bombers and Warwagons under eGrim is going to do some work...
MAT 5 makes me sad but he's 9 points, which is much cheaper than I thought. Plus under eGrim's feat turn he'll be RAT 8 if aiming/animus/mark target with arcing fire. That plus a Bomber (or two) will be a pretty big "No no" zone for enemy casters, whatever they be camping.
4 POW 16's with boosted damage at RAT 9? Yes please.
I don't like you and you're not a nice person.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
AgeOfEgos wrote:Uh yeah... RAT 9 Bombers and Warwagons under eGrim is going to do some work...
MAT 5 makes me sad but he's 9 points, which is much cheaper than I thought. Plus under eGrim's feat turn he'll be RAT 8 if aiming/animus/mark target with arcing fire. That plus a Bomber (or two) will be a pretty big "No no" zone for enemy casters, whatever they be camping.
4 POW 16's with boosted damage at RAT 9? Yes please.
What about an 18 inche gun because bjorn and impalers have snipe?
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
malfred wrote: AgeOfEgos wrote:Uh yeah... RAT 9 Bombers and Warwagons under eGrim is going to do some work...
MAT 5 makes me sad but he's 9 points, which is much cheaper than I thought. Plus under eGrim's feat turn he'll be RAT 8 if aiming/animus/mark target with arcing fire. That plus a Bomber (or two) will be a pretty big "No no" zone for enemy casters, whatever they be camping.
4 POW 16's with boosted damage at RAT 9? Yes please.
I don't like you and you're not a nice person.
Everyone likes Troll players! It's impossible not to.
hotsauceman1 wrote: AgeOfEgos wrote:Uh yeah... RAT 9 Bombers and Warwagons under eGrim is going to do some work...
MAT 5 makes me sad but he's 9 points, which is much cheaper than I thought. Plus under eGrim's feat turn he'll be RAT 8 if aiming/animus/mark target with arcing fire. That plus a Bomber (or two) will be a pretty big "No no" zone for enemy casters, whatever they be camping.
4 POW 16's with boosted damage at RAT 9? Yes please.
What about an 18 inche gun because bjorn and impalers have snipe?
Well, can't use Impaler or else you sacrifice his (terrific) animus on the bombers. However, eGrim's feat grants snipe (+ Mark Target) so really puts the Bombers into the "We don't care, we'll hit it" zone. And yeah, Bjorn can throw his upkeep snipe on him too.
I'll have to math it out but if I'm thinking right...cast snipe from Gunjborn on him 1st turn, put Rush from an Axer on him...have him trample..then cast his own animus on himself...then shoot 18" down the field. That's;
7" deploy
10" trample
18" shot (You reroll for the deviation distance/direction you want)
10" enemy deploy
Which means, you just need to scatter 3" (with a reroll!) to start clipping things first turn. Warwagon can do it too (without using Rush no less and a 5" AOE). If they have advanced deploy, you're going to hit them. Will be pretty funny to do against something (once).
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 hotsauceman1 wrote:Im not sure if lega, but Dozer an smigg.
I was planning on a Gunnbjorn and blizter army, this just makes it sweeter.
Pretty cool. Do anyone know what is on the other side of the card?
It is nice, but it does not provide what Gunnbjorn really lacks : something to deny Stealth/Could effect/other “you just cannot shoot me” stuff.
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Post by: malfred
Boosted blast damage will help vs. Stealth.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Well, not much against beasts or jacks with stealth. Too much ARM anyway!
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Post by: sing your life
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:Im not sure if lega, but Dozer an smigg.
I was planning on a Gunnbjorn and blizter army, this just makes it sweeter.
Pretty cool. Do anyone know what is on the other side of the card?
It is nice, but it does not provide what Gunnbjorn really lacks : something to deny Stealth/Could effect/other “you just cannot shoot me” stuff.
+2 to attack rolls on the Blitzer is great against stealth models if you get close.
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Post by: Wehrkind
+2 to AoE attacks will also negate concealment from forests/clouds, so that's something. You are right though that stealth heavies will remain an issue.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Gunnbjorn's problem usually is not about hitting high defense (Guided fire takes care of that), it is usually all those “You cannot target/automatically miss” ability that are the problem. If the models are behind those forests and could effect, +2 is not going to help you in the slightest.
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Post by: Wehrkind
That's very true, though short of granting Hunter or Eyeless Sight there wasn't much that was going to solve the problem of models on the other side of LoS blocking terrain and clouds. Stealth isn't so bad so long as it isn't on an Arm 16+ model when you have boosted blast damage and rerollable scatter.
Then again, I might just be assuming everyone hates blasts as much as my Arm 11 Blood Trackers. Are Arm 16+ Stealth infantry fairly common in some lists?
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Post by: malfred
Saw this posted on Muse on minis
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Post by: Alpharius
What is it?
And where exactly is the head/face?!?
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Post by: RoninXiC
That's the new character nephilim(sp) for legion.
I THINK the head is on the right side in the middle. You can make up the mouth.
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Post by: Thanatos73
It's head is right in the middle of the shoulders coming straight out like all nephalim. He's got some funky bladed helmet on.
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Post by: malfred
It's the character beast for Rhyas/Saeryn.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
NO, I dont want to start legion too, you cant make me PP
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Stop it Privateer! I've been able to steer clear of Nephilim for the draconic division of my reptilian army, please don't make me start with this new one!
I like the pose, and I've always liked the Nephilim's armor as it stands. This guy seems to have a lot more of that dragon blood/ energy/ whatever it's called flowing through him.
I like.
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Post by: malfred
Their twitch stream from Lock and Load goes live in 3hours
http://privateerpress.com/livestream
Schedule of live streaming events:
Friday June 6
8:00pm PDT - STAFF PANEL
Join the Privateer Press crew for announcements and news on upcoming releases.
8:30pm PDT - WAR STORIES: THE ORIGIN OF WARMACHINE
Matt Wilson and company share anecdotes and stories about where the Iron Kingdoms came from, how it came to be, and where it's going! Live from Lock & Load!
9:30pm PDT - Iron Painter and Iron Kingdoms Trivia Challenge
Tune in for a game show format showdown as contestants face the Iron Painter in a speed painting contest featuring wacky challenges and trivia questions for the audience! Live from Lock & Load!.
Sunday June 8
10:00am PDT - IRON GAUNTLET WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
The first ever Iron Gauntlet World Champion is crowned in the culmination of the first year of Iron Gauntlet! Watch coverage from all four rounds of this milestone event! Live from Lock & Load!
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Post by: malfred
And then this appeared online somewheres.
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Post by: Maddermax
This was from a week ago or so, but I don't think anyone linked it, so I'll just put it here - the concept art for Gobber Pirates, unlocked through the league:  Tiny tiny harpoon guns! I suppose that means they'll have that Drag, though I wonder if you'd really want to drag enemies *closer* to a gobber unit, considering how generally poor they are in melee. Pretty sweet, though is that a blighted snake, or just some weird multi-eyed snake I wonder? Also, this means that Minions are getting two casters, both female this round - that's pretty awesome Edit: Also, the PP twich feed from their con is currently live: http://privateerpress.com/livestream
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Post by: greenskin lynn
it looks like a tiny version of that one snake, the one that comes with the elf girl with a flute
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Post by: Laughing Man
Its an undead tatzylwyrm. Different species than Skaryth, same genus essentially.
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Post by: Maddermax
Images incoming from the live feed (stolen from PP forums, thanks Liberator525):
eBorka:
Maddog:
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Lost his cod piece, gained a bear. Bearka in 2015!
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Post by: jah-joshua
i would trade a codpiece for a bear anyday!!!
actually, the silly codpiece is the only thing that has kept me from painting Borka, even though he is my favorite Hordes character...
i will definitely be painting eBorka!!!
thanks for sharing ...
cheers
jah
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Post by: malfred
 jah-joshua wrote:i would trade a codpiece for a bear anyday!!!
actually, the silly codpiece is the only thing that has kept me from painting Borka, even though he is my favorite Hordes character...
i will definitely be painting eBorka!!!
thanks for sharing ...
cheers
jah
Borka is all about sowing his seed across the the kriels.
The cod piece is essentially a part of his character.
Now he has a more virile symbol of fertility
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Post by: Maddermax
I've gotta say I'm excited about the new Protectorate flamethrower jack
Arc node, Heavy flamer, some sort of Magic mace - Should be fun
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
With innate Stealth? No. With spells, it can happen. And on warbeasts too.
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Post by: cygnnus
Why did Thriller start playing in my head when I saw this picture?
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: sing your life
 cygnnus wrote:
Why did Thriller start playing in my head when I saw this picture?
Valete,
JohnS
Now I need to paint up a unit with an red-robed, unhelmeted leader...
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Post by: gunslingerpro
A new Kodiak chassis? I suppose that'll be the next heavy kit for Khador with the Grolar.
Likely won't be released for some time.
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Post by: sing your life
I wants my official reliant model, hopefully it'll be a plastic kit with the option for a stormclad.
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Post by: Maddermax
 gunslingerpro wrote:A new Kodiak chassis? I suppose that'll be the next heavy kit for Khador with the Grolar.
Likely won't be released for some time.
If you're talking about the "Mad Dog", it actually looks like it's the Berserker chassis, rather than the Kodiak. Whether that means two Khador jacks are coming out, or some multi-kit that covers both the Kodiak and Berserker types, I dunno.
 sing your life wrote:I wants my official reliant model, hopefully it'll be a plastic kit with the option for a stormclad.
Yeah, it's almost certainly going to be another 3-option kit, like the other two heavy kits. The Protectorate jack above, for instance, is definitely the 3rd jack for our Guardian/Indictor kit, which I'm looking forward to. I expect the third jack for the Reliant/Stormclad kit will be revealed sometime soonish (next few months at most).
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cygnnus wrote:
Why did Thriller start playing in my head when I saw this picture?
Valete,
JohnS
Funny enough I had The Creep do that when I saw it
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Post by: Laughing Man
From Sketch201 on Privateer's boards regarding Bearka: WOW!! Our favorite drunken brawler just got really interesting in his new incarnation!!!
SPD - same as Longrider
MAT - 1 more than SPD
RAT - Same as before
DEF - Same as before
ARM - 1 higher than before
Fury - Same
Beast Points - 1 less than speed
Still has the bombs
Trauma got Slams on a crit!!!
Mount attack (same POW as Longriders) with crit brutal
Has Assault and Combat Rider
Got an interesting Field Marshall that makes his battlegroup immune to cold (more on this later)
SPELLS:
Battle Charged - Counter charge for the battlegroup!
Frost Hammer - spray that deals cold damage + crit stationary, pretty decent considering it can effectively ignore some of your own stuff (see next spell)
Snow Shroud - gives unit concealment and immune: cold
FEAT (this is BONKERS!)
Everything in his control area gets Stealth, and anything that hits a cold immune model with a melee attack gets stationary after the attack!!!! (reference the Field Marshall and Snow Shroud spell)
So having seen our new Cav caster, I am a very happy Troll player! His lists are going to be BRUTAL the turn after the feat. Put the immune cold spell on your tarpit (Fenns, Warriors, anything disposable) and make the enemy come at you (they can't really shoot you that turn!), then anything that hits your front lines gets stationary (or countercharged by Mulg!). Fun times!
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Post by: malfred
Haha, screq you esorscha!
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I'll try him with the MK. Unless they have cheap weapon master spam, pretty much makes him immune at getting one rounded. In fact, double Warder MK could be kind of nightmarish for certain armies.
Dunno though, at first blush, he looks kind of boring compared to Borka1.
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Post by: B0B MaRlEy
That feat would have been great on an Ezerkova
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Post by: Alpharius
As a beginner, and a Khador player, and a fan of Sorscha, 'immune: cold' makes me...angry.
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Post by: frozenwastes
I'm glad that hard counters to other casters are rare, but this is a pretty severe hard counter to sorscha. It's like eDenny hard countering eVyros' feat.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Alpharius wrote:As a beginner, and a Khador player, and a fan of Sorscha, 'immune: cold' makes me...angry.
Yeah, it's like the guy that designed him just got his face stomped in by Freezing Grip or something....then stood in front of the whiteboard and said "Ok, what can I do about this..."
Still, I think he's pretty boring. The MK interaction will need to be playtested, as it makes him nigh unkillable for a round, then fixes his MAT 5 the following round..but still, doesn't feel like Borka.
I would like to think he can be paired with Runes (as I think Khador is their weakest matchup) but that still leaves you naked for Cryx coverage, as I find Runes 'meh' at best against Cryx. Also not sure what Borka2 would do against a standard Menoth list.
I'm just worried, whatever his puzzle ends up being unlocked, it's going to consist of staying 2nd line, spend 2 to upkeep spells, dump one in the stone, camp 2 and wait until a good Feat turn. Which is pretty much the opposite of Borka (which, to be fair, is probably the most enjoyable damn Warlock I've ever played).
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Post by: Maddermax
There are currently a few hard stops to Stationary based casters, but to be fair that's why there's multi-caster formats, to prevent the hard-counter thing. I mean, Menoth has a hard counter just by using the Covenant in any army, so a single caster based immunity shouldn't be too much of a worry, it's just another thing to look out for. In the same way, my High Reclaimer has real trouble against anyone who can see through clouds (creating clouds is his thing), which means Ret and Legion are basically hard counters, and there's usually one caster in most armies that also do that. It doesn't make him a bad caster though, just one where you have to be aware of who your opponent might be. Also, interesting thing to note on eBorka is that the feat gives stealth to everyone, not just friendlies, which is interesting. Obviously it's only an issue if Borka feats early, because of how long the feat lasts for, but it is interesting - I wonder if that was a typo by someone As for playing him, well he's a personally powerful cavalry caster with a spray, an assault bomb and crit slam, and has a full counter-charging battlegroup. Perhaps not as fun as Borka1, yeah, but few casters are. I think setting up ride-by strafing runs and counter-charging axers/mulg (reach helps a lot) could be a lot of fun.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
 Maddermax wrote: gunslingerpro wrote:A new Kodiak chassis? I suppose that'll be the next heavy kit for Khador with the Grolar.
Likely won't be released for some time.
If you're talking about the "Mad Dog", it actually looks like it's the Berserker chassis, rather than the Kodiak. Whether that means two Khador jacks are coming out, or some multi-kit that covers both the Kodiak and Berserker types, .
I can see that happening the berserker can totally use an upgrade and fit with the kodiak
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Post by: B0B MaRlEy
hotsauceman1 wrote: Maddermax wrote: gunslingerpro wrote:A new Kodiak chassis? I suppose that'll be the next heavy kit for Khador with the Grolar.
Likely won't be released for some time.
If you're talking about the "Mad Dog", it actually looks like it's the Berserker chassis, rather than the Kodiak. Whether that means two Khador jacks are coming out, or some multi-kit that covers both the Kodiak and Berserker types, .
I can see that happening the berserker can totally use an upgrade and fit with the kodiak
That'd be very weird, as the 2 chassis have a bunch of differences, and the older Berzerker chassis should be smaller and thinner than the newer Juggernaut one, and a good deal less bulky.
I guess (if it sticks to the old artworks) it could work with different smoke exhausts and shoulders, though to be honest the whole backplate/hunch is different
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Post by: Laughing Man
Highly doubt it. The chest region is also a completely different design, as are the legs. You'd basically have a kit that builds two entire warjacks no matter what.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I think it can work.
the juggernaut/destroyer/Marauder changes alot.
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Post by: Laughing Man
The juggy/destroyer/marauder changes the arms and head. That's literally it. The Kodiak is basically the same chassis as the Juggernaut, with the addition of some studs on a shoulder. The Berzerker/Mad Dog is MASSIVELY different from the Juggernaut, in virtually every regard. I'd honestly expect a plastic version of them to more closely resemble Drago in general build.
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Post by: Alpharius
hotsauceman1 wrote:I think it can work.
the juggernaut/destroyer/Marauder changes alot.
Huh?
Laughing Man wrote:
The juggy/destroyer/marauder changes the arms and head. That's literally it. The Kodiak is basically the same chassis as the Juggernaut, with the addition of some studs on a shoulder. The Berzerker/Mad Dog is MASSIVELY different from the Juggernaut, in virtually every regard. I'd honestly expect a plastic version of them to more closely resemble Drago in general build.
Ah, right then!
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I meant from the old sculpts
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Post by: Maddermax
While it would be different, it wouldn't be impossible - they'd have to have different shoulders, neck piece and plates and such a plastic conversion would certainly would still look fairly different from the metal berserker. That said, they changed the look of the classic mule and nomad a fair bit to make them into the same chassis for a kit, so there's precedent, but I figure they'd still want to make the 'zerker and Kodiak frames look fairly different.
It would involve more bits than they would have ever done before, however, on top of the significant changes to the frame, so unless it was part of their new plastic process that's in development, I don't think it's likely.
Possible, but unlikely. The only odd thing still is that it means they're introducing the Mad Dog on the berserker chassis before a 3rd Kodiak jack, which is odd enough to make me speculate on such things.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Maddermax wrote:
Possible, but unlikely. The only odd thing still is that it means they're introducing the Mad Dog on the berserker chassis before a 3rd Kodiak jack, which is odd enough to make me speculate on such things.
My thoughts exactly. Unless they're doubling up plastic kits in Reckoning? Or perhaps the art is a bit different from the jack?
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Post by: Cyporiean
Painted Bearka:
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I just had a beargasm
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Post by: Accolade
Well, I tell you what- Privateer Press has found the symbol of the brand in the Trollkin. They seem to spark the imagination of all sorts of customers, and are unique enough to draw people into the game (not Space Marine-grade, but good nonetheless).
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Post by: sing your life
 Accolade wrote:Well, I tell you what- Privateer Press has found the symbol of the brand in the Trollkin. They seem to spark the imagination of all sorts of customers, and are unique enough to draw people into the game (not Space Marine-grade, but good nonetheless).
Not really. The image of warjacks from the main WM armies seems to be what people start this game for [I did]. Meanwhile Trollbloods were the worst faction looks-wise until Convergance showed up [ IMO]
Still love eBorka mind.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Accolade wrote:Well, I tell you what- Privateer Press has found the symbol of the brand in the Trollkin. They seem to spark the imagination of all sorts of customers, and are unique enough to draw people into the game (not Space Marine-grade, but good nonetheless).
Very good point. Warjacks do it for some, but Trollkin seem to be over and above it all.
Also, interesting to see he is on a large base. A lot of folks on the PP forums seemed to expect him to be on a huge base instead.
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Post by: sing your life
Wehrkind wrote:
Also, interesting to see he is on a large base. A lot of folks on the PP forums seemed to expect him to be on a huge base instead.
Why were they thinking this?
It's not like the bear is going to be THAT big.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That base looks too small for the bear. Makes me worried he's going to topple over. I might just have to put him on a bigger base, rules be damned.
Will he be metal, or probably a mix of resin and metal?
Trollkins were the ones who finally made me succumb to Privateer's games. Maybe it was the Gatormen that initially drew my interest, but I know my first PP figures were Trolls.
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sing your life wrote: Wehrkind wrote:
Also, interesting to see he is on a large base. A lot of folks on the PP forums seemed to expect him to be on a huge base instead.
Why were they thinking this?
It's not like the bear is going to be THAT big.
highlord tamburlaine wrote:That base looks too small for the bear. Makes me worried he's going to topple over. I might just have to put him on a bigger base, rules be damned.
.
Mostly that. Looking at the proportions of Borka (who is on a medium base) and the bear it looked like the model was going to be about 4 inches nose to tail. At the time a bunch of people thought that it would have to be on a huge base as a result. They probably were excited about XERXISepic and his rhino, and also forgetting that PP doesn't like models that don't overhang their bases by 1-2 inches.
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So we can expect Xerxes to be on a 40 or 50mm base so he can overhang it in every direction, right?
Also, there should be at least one or two feet off the base to facilitate it toppling over.
So Borka looks to be on a 50mm base? Did they say how big Xerxes' rhino thing's base will be? 60? 80mm?
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Post by: Wehrkind
Xexes will be on the 120mm base, but the rhino's horn is ~50mm itself, and overhangs completely. He has to compete with the little elephants more the title of "Skorne Butt-Charge King" after all
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Wait, It sounds like Reckoning will be character jack based.
Sooo....the beserker guy could be an upgrade kit.
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Post by: Laughing Man
Only if they make a plastic Berserker kit to upgrade. And the Mad Dog isn't a character, we already know that from High Command.
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Post by: AduroT
What are the odds that Menoth jack is a light and we're getting another round of Character lights? I mean except Mad Dog, since Khador don't do no light Warjacks.
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Post by: Maddermax
AduroT wrote:What are the odds that Menoth jack is a light and we're getting another round of Character lights? I mean except Mad Dog, since Khador don't do no light Warjacks.
Zero chance that jack is a light, that's a Guardian chassis jack (flags and shoulder bling are absolute give aways). We could be getting another light/character light as well, of course, but the Menoth jack previewed above is definitely a heavy. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wehrkind wrote:Xexes will be on the 120mm base, but the rhino's horn is ~50mm itself, and overhangs completely. He has to compete with the little elephants more the title of "Skorne Butt-Charge King" after all
It wouldn't be skorne if it didn't have to butt-charge - there are expectations to uphold you know!
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Post by: Maddermax
Trollkin Bandits (which are apparently going to be different than the rumored "Trollkin Highwaymen"). Works in progress spotted being painted by PP staff at Lock'n'Load.   
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Post by: Thanatos73
So those are Bandits? So still no info on the Highwaymen? How sure are we that they are different units?
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Post by: Laughing Man
Highwaymen are called out in a theme force, if memory serves, so they're definitely different things. Nifty looking models though.
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Post by: Maddermax
 Thanatos73 wrote:So those are Bandits? So still no info on the Highwaymen? How sure are we that they are different units?
Yeah, as said Highwaymen are called out in the theme force by name, where as these are definitely called "bandits", going by the official name on the concept art.
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Post by: AduroT
Five unique models is interesting.
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Post by: Schmapdi
I agree - and Hooray.
Are they metal or plastic, do we know? Might they be one part of a Highwaymen/Bandit combo box?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I loves me some trolls with guns. Big oversized guns naturally. Good to see at least one female in the mix.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, I was going to say, is that the first non-character female trollkin in a unit? I can't recall ever seeing another.
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Post by: AduroT
Wehrkind wrote:Yea, I was going to say, is that the first non-character female trollkin in a unit? I can't recall ever seeing another.
That's because no one ever plays the Sluggars.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Wehrkind wrote:Yea, I was going to say, is that the first non-character female trollkin in a unit? I can't recall ever seeing another.
Sluggers have one. Her breast are so large that her arm is literally going through it. However, her pose does not really put them in the foreground, so people do not notice.
What I have never seen is a female pygmy/pureblood/dire. I would love one female dire.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Ahhh yea, looking at the picture on the site there is one there. I'll be damned!
I really would LOVE a series of female warbeasts. I have no idea how they would do it that is SFW and not stilly looking, but female warpwolves, dire trolls etc. would be a really nice touch. We know female warpwolves exist, though perhaps dires just reproduce by fission or something.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Wehrkind wrote:I have no idea how they would do it that is SFW and not stilly looking
Take current dire. Use green stuff to make the breast bigger. Done .
For Warpwolves, you will need 6 very small breasts on the torso or something.
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Well, the exposed nips would probably break the SFW work req for PP. Not for me by any stretch, but PP.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Then I guess PP will never be able to make a cow model .
Seriously though, they have penises on horses, why not breasts on warpwolves ? I mean, those would not be sexy or attractive to the normal human being anyway, so…
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?
It's not like my Wolfen vestals had more than one pair either... just saying.
Most big warbeasts seem to have a bit of modesty as it stands, what with all the loincloths and armor. I don't think we've seen one totally nekkid warbeast yet.
Female dire trolls would be fun. I would support some equal opportunity snackers.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?
Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.
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Post by: Maddermax
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Then I guess PP will never be able to make a cow model . Seriously though, they have penises on horses, why not breasts on warpwolves ? I mean, those would not be sexy or attractive to the normal human being anyway, so…
PP has no problem making animals anatomically correct (all their horses and dogs are), but those are animals, and unlikely to bother any but the most amazingly prudish. Warbeasts, however, are kind of a major focus point of Hordes as a game, are both anthropomorphic (that is closer to human-like, rather than animal like) and generally upright (meaning unless covered, everything is front and center, not underneath the model), both of which mean that the game would be less "family friendly" in a business sense - prudish people worry about those things, and it makes it more difficult to display/show off the game to younger audiences (even thought the game tends to be pitched to a somewhat older crowd). They could, of course, cover up any "offending" parts, as they do already on the warbeast males, but that modesty would only look more contrived than the current modesty patches on the males (the fur-patch on the warpwolf for instance). That said, I could possibly see them making female warbeasts as Privateer Exclusives one day, though I reckon they have a lot of other projects to do first, but not as any sort of main kit. Until then though, a bit of greenstuff sculpting is the best option.
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Post by: malfred
Kreas are female.
It's the only one I can think of.
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Post by: AduroT
I forget which it is, but one of the troll Warbeasts is obviously male when you look at the back/underside of its loincloth...
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Post by: Wehrkind
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: highlord tamburlaine wrote:No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?
Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.
No, but they do have human torsos, human hands (mostly), human arms... basically neck to nuts they are human shaped. So it isn't stupid to expect less than a half dozen nipples.
You might want to dial it back a bit
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Post by: malfred
AduroT wrote:I forget which it is, but one of the troll Warbeasts is obviously male when you look at the back/underside of its loincloth...
Metal Mauler.
Not that I checked.
Or painted the part flesh colored.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/felixjr/3478034394/in/set-72157616549675196
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Post by: Thanatos73
I know there are highwaymen in a theme force, hence why I was wondering about these guys. Why they announced highwaymen so long ago then tease the art for the bandits then show they aren't highwaymen I don't understand.
PP has a habit of mentioning future units in theme forces but showing bandits when highwaymen aren't out is strange.
Unless highwaymen were renamed bandits. Can't imagine where highwaymen were different than what the bandits are.
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Post by: Laughing Man
Cannoneers usually are as well, if memory serves. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wehrkind wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: highlord tamburlaine wrote:No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?
Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.
No, but they do have human torsos, human hands (mostly), human arms... basically neck to nuts they are human shaped. So it isn't stupid to expect less than a half dozen nipples.
You might want to dial it back a bit
That, and they already have two nipples. They're kinda sculpted on, IIRC.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Do we know that any of the beasts aren't female? Except the ones that are clearly stated as male/female (like bronzeback/krea)?
I mean, do we know the differences between male/female titans? Or griffins?
We're assuming a lot of obvious sexual dimorphism here.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
gunslingerpro wrote:Do we know that any of the beasts aren't female? Except the ones that are clearly stated as male/female (like bronzeback/krea)?
For those that are very heavily inspired by actual species without clear sexual dimorphism for average Joe, like all the Gatormen warbeasts (how do you know if an alligator is male of female? I have no freaking idea!), or razor worms, we do not know. For Everblight's creation, we do not even know if the question make sense. For Circle's constructs, we know the question does not make sense. But those that are obviously designed by mixing a specie where sexual dimorphism is pretty clear to about anyone with humans, like Warpwolves and Satyrs, I think it is pretty easy to tell. Same for trolls given the examples of female trollkin we have.
Do not get me wrong, I am all for alien sexual dimorphism that are nothing like the human sexual dimorphism, but here assuming one in Satyr is just looking for excuse.
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Post by: AduroT
Stick your finger up it's cloaca.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Not going to do that!
It might make it angry. And an angry alligator could kill me. And I do not want to die just yet. Especially this kind of death, which seems extremely painful.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, with Circle beasts at least, every beast save the argus line is just a human torso and arms with animalish heads and legs attached. (This bothers me to no end... those are not griffons :( ) For those at least we should be able to recognize male/female pretty handily.
Trolls, aside from the Rule 34 style slash fic and the metal mauler (I am going down to check mine later), there is really no reason to assume the beasts have different sexes as such.
All the others, yea they are pretty uniform but that doesn't mean a lot necessarily. It would be nice if they would offer optional sculpts of females with slight differences, like how elephants can be told apart by ear size and tusks in some subspecies, just for collectors who want to round out the fluff a bit. For many of the models it would just require a bits swap or maybe a variant torso etc., which to my modeler's mind would be a huge option anyway.
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Post by: malfred
Wehrkind wrote:
Trolls, aside from the Rule 34 style slash fic and the metal mauler (I am going down to check mine later),.
Don't say I didn't link a pic for you.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I still remember the first time Borka's model finally sank through my addled brain tissue..and I finally made the connection. Then, like a 12 year old boy discovering a new dirty joke, immediately purchased the model and painted him up.
I looked for easter eggs on the new Borka but like his rules, his model looks pretty straight forward. Speaking of which....
I've been thinking quite a bit about Bearka and I think he may have merit in a beast heavy list, in a 3 caster tournament due to how prevalent Khador is now. He keeps Butcher3 from eating your army for a turn, generally makes Sorscha unhappy and really does ok against most other Khador stuff. Plus, he can probably throw a Warwagon in there for his shroud spell target and keep it alive for another round (and the WW shines against certain Khador builds). I might proxy up a list this weekend and give him a go.
So, it seems solid enough now that Trolls are getting Bandits AND Highwaymen. I'm assuming the Highwaymen will be the Trolls new cav...or at least that's the rumor now. Surprised we haven't seen a photo of them yet, they must be late in the development cycle.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I could have sworn I read in Circle fluff that some of their warpwolves were humans who were transformed by some sort of spell or drought they had to guzzle.
Maybe that was the skinwalkers I was thinking of? Some of those things were definitely human to begin with.
I thought that was how they had the Warpwolves with the swords- they retained a bit of their intelligence from their human times. Or maybe those are Mierce's waerwulfas I'm thinking of. Or both?
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Post by: malfred
highlord tamburlaine wrote:I could have sworn I read in Circle fluff that some of their warpwolves were humans who were transformed by some sort of spell or drought they had to guzzle.
Maybe that was the skinwalkers I was thinking of? Some of those things were definitely human to begin with.
I thought that was how they had the Warpwolves with the swords- they retained a bit of their intelligence from their human times. Or maybe those are Mierce's waerwulfas I'm thinking of. Or both?
Warpwolves are humans that have been transformed into savage beasts well suited for battle. The druids of the Circle Orboros use the vicious feral warpwolves to strike their enemies hard and fast, unleashing them to sow death and discord with tooth and claw. Contrastingly, the white-furred purebloods cut swathes through the enemies of Orboros with measured ferocity and bone-shattering howls. Retaining some portion of their human intellects, the sword-wielding stalkers are stealthy killers that prowl behind enemy lines and strike without warning.
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Post by: AduroT
Ghetorax was a Tharn Chieftain, most Ferals and Stalkers were humans. They drank the potion that makes them into the big wolves. Once they're wolves they can get freaky with each other and have Warpwolf babies. After a few generations of such a Pureblood is born. Purebloods are never former humans, the Feral and Stalkers might not have been as well but usually are.
I believe Skinwalkers are a lesser form of the transformation, and they can go back and forth between wolf form and human iirc.
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...and now we know!
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Post by: Maddermax
AgeOfEgos wrote:I still remember the first time Borka's model finally sank through my addled brain tissue..and I finally made the connection. Then, like a 12 year old boy discovering a new dirty joke, immediately purchased the model and painted him up.
I looked for easter eggs on the new Borka but like his rules, his model looks pretty straight forward. Speaking of which....
I've been thinking quite a bit about Bearka and I think he may have merit in a beast heavy list, in a 3 caster tournament due to how prevalent Khador is now. He keeps Butcher3 from eating your army for a turn, generally makes Sorscha unhappy and really does ok against most other Khador stuff. Plus, he can probably throw a Warwagon in there for his shroud spell target and keep it alive for another round (and the WW shines against certain Khador builds). I might proxy up a list this weekend and give him a go.
So, it seems solid enough now that Trolls are getting Bandits AND Highwaymen. I'm assuming the Highwaymen will be the Trolls new cav...or at least that's the rumor now. Surprised we haven't seen a photo of them yet, they must be late in the development cycle.
The one little Easter egg I noticed in his rules is that he makes both allies AND enemies stealth - now that also means they stop blocking LOS for shooting >5" away. Not amazing, but could allow an unforeseen ranged assassination against a cocky opponent who thinks his caster is safe behind other models.
As for there being both Highwaymen AND bandits, it's possible, but I wouldn't expect it. Highwaymen could easily have to wait till the next book, just as Flamebringers had to wait 2 whole books as nothing but a name in a theme force.
Word from people in the know, however, is that there will be two casters per faction...
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Post by: AduroT
Highway men is a Cav heavy class in IKRPG, so they might be Trollkin light Cav similar to the gun Mages on ponies.
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Post by: HiveFleetPlastic
That painted Bearka looks fantastic.
More female trolls is great. Maybe one day I'll get the Sluggers. Maybe.
Re: female other stuff, I don't think a female model should have to be unambiguously female any more than you'd demand a male model be unambiguously male. The best is to avoid stuff like boobplate and allow the possibility for models to be anything. I want to point to the Eldar - to start with, any Eldar model could be female and you couldn't tell. Then they added silly boobplate to the Guardians and suddenly only a specially-marked minority were.
There should still be unambiguously female models too, but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).
These great releases. If only I could paint faster!
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Post by: Wehrkind
 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:That painted Bearka looks fantastic.
More female trolls is great. Maybe one day I'll get the Sluggers. Maybe.
Re: female other stuff, I don't think a female model should have to be unambiguously female any more than you'd demand a male model be unambiguously male. The best is to avoid stuff like boobplate and allow the possibility for models to be anything. I want to point to the Eldar - to start with, any Eldar model could be female and you couldn't tell. Then they added silly boobplate to the Guardians and suddenly only a specially-marked minority were.
There should still be unambiguously female models too, but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).
These great releases. If only I could paint faster!
I agree with you on that, especially with most of the armor (though women do benefit from armor fitted to them, boob plates are generally not the result ). However, beasts wearing just a loin cloth and neck ruffle that were once human should be at least moderately female looking. Just one of the side effects of their largely hairless warpwolves is that you can see just about everything on them.
I would trade wolf boobs for werewolves with sculpted fur quite happily, I will note.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
HiveFleetPlastic wrote:but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).
That is the case for every reptile and every bird and every invertebrate in the game already, and should stay so. But dire trolls, warpwolves and other warbeast that are going around bare-chested and are obviously mammalians? Well, we are able to tell, and they are all males. So some of those should go into the obviously female department now.
Same thing for our friend the pygs. They are all bare chested !
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Or since pigs and wolves do not have prominent breasts unless they are feeding pigglets/puppies they (or you) ould just add a row of nipples onto the existing sculpts
Female figures without anything obvious to protect the children from
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Post by: Wehrkind
We addressed that earlier: warpwolves, satyrs and griffons have human torsos and arms. They don't even have chest hair, so no obvious reason for multiple mammaries, or indistinguishable ones.
As to farrow, there is a female farrow character coming out in the new book, so perhaps she will shed some light on how their bodies work.
I mean, yea, we are applying some science to a fantasy setting, but let's face it, you can only stretch "MAGIC" so far before it becomes "random crap that is convenient!"
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Post by: skrulnik
The female Farrow, Helga, has two breasts and is heavily inspired by the Valkyrie Opera singer look,
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, that's what I took away from the concept pics I had seen too. Maybe extra under the armor, but it looks like PP is solidly sticking with their "human torso and arms + animal heads and legs" style with the Farrow as well.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
If we really want to apply science then its the number of offspring from a single pregnancy that determines the number of nipples a given mammal will evolve. So the question is do warpwolves/farrow/other normally have one, possibly twins, offspring per "litter" or more?
Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.
That said some more realistic female armor would be nice at least; the individually sculpted boob-plates would be great for catching a strike at the seams and increasing an attacker's ability to penetrate the torso armor. Really you would want to continue the rise to a point in the center to deflect blows away from the torso.
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Post by: Avian
One of the few good things about Jack the Giant Slayer was that the princess had a sensible breast plate.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 NinthMusketeer wrote:Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.
Those people are the problem. Still working on the cure  .
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote:Though in reality its much more simple; though these creatures are indeed fusions of animals and humans, the people playing them are not. Many players would find female versions with multiple full breasts off-putting and that would hurt sales.
Those people are the problem. Still working on the cure .
But once you cure them a new generation will come along that you haven't! 
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Depend on how the cure works. If the cure is some deeper evolution on how society as a whole view women and the female body, actually the new generation may be better in that regard .
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Perhaps we should move back on topic...
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Post by: Elemental
Please! I can think of exactly zero (0) times where this sort of tangent has improved any thread anywhere.
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
Wait, those Cephalix are a new faction? They look amazing o.O
Plastic?
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Post by: RiTides
Restic...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (the mold lines on Convergence and Cephalyx models have caused a lot of angst among even the most hardcore Privateer Press fans)
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Post by: Wehrkind
Damnit RiTides, you know better. They are PVC; "restic" isn't really a thing.
They are crappy, crappy PVC.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
At least the designs are awesome and thematic. Though I hope Cephalyx players really like that monstrosity pose...
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Post by: AduroT
From what I've heard/seen they did Much better with the molds this time around than the convergence.
And yes, Restic is not a thing. They are plastic, just a crappy version of plastic.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
PVC seems better able to do organic shapes that hard mechanical ones. How this plays out for the Cephalyx is unclear. PP has stated they had heard our concerns regarding the material (I found the second Cyriss jack wave better than the first), but time will tell.
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Post by: RiTides
AduroT wrote:And yes, Restic is not a thing. They are plastic, just a crappy version of plastic.
If people prefer to use the term "crappy plastic" rather than "restic" that's fine with me
Obviously, PVC is the correct term, as Wehrkind points out.
It's good that PP says they're listening, but the fact is, now they're charging almost the same prices on some kits in PVC that they would have charged in metal ($35 for a Convergence heavy jack, for example). That means one of the major benefits of PVC is dissipating- for the consumer, at least. PP is making more money per model in the material, but putting out subpar models... this is obviously pretty undesirable. I have several local friends who either started or planned to start Convergence and were completely put off by the quality of the casts, particularly on light jacks and infantry.
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Post by: AduroT
Their metal Jack sculpts were comparable in price, but smaller and didn't come with the parts to make all three, so they are cheaper in plastic still. Their plastic pricing is also weird as they seem to be working to make certain things certain standardized prices. Bane Thralls went down from $80+ to $55 when they went plastic, while Retribution Houseguard went Up from $45/50 to $55.
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Post by: motyak
The price drop on IFP will make me cry when they come out in plastic. Tears of blood and anguish.
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Post by: Maddermax
Rumours are at the moment that the Cyriss Battle Engine (The Transwhatever something projector) is currently being tested as PPs first model done using a new plastic on sprues. The exact details are hazy, only mentioned by a couple of people on various threads (don't know where they got their info from), but I'd be interested to see if that's the path the go down.
Personally, the PVC stuff hasn't bothered me much so far, but I might just be lucky (or have low standards ).
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Post by: sing your life
None of the Ret players at will buy the new infantry. They should have been half the price at the very least. We won't buy the mixed-media cavalry either, though that's more to do with PP chucking 10 whole pounds onto the English price.
That's what I don't like about Privateer Press. Warmahordes could have made them the greatest Wargaming company on earth, but they were more interested in selling Americans Vinyl miniatures that cost very bit as much as high-quality Polyeutherene resin models and sometimes an 8 point unit that costs more than entire skirmish games.
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
AduroT wrote:Their metal Jack sculpts were comparable in price, but smaller and didn't come with the parts to make all three, so they are cheaper in plastic still. Their plastic pricing is also weird as they seem to be working to make certain things certain standardized prices. Bane Thralls went down from $80+ to $55 when they went plastic, while Retribution Houseguard went Up from $45/50 to $55.
Plus, the PVC kits aren't all bad. Actually, some of them, like the Convergence heavy hover vectors, are really really nice, as good as GW kits, even. Of course, on the other hand you have the Convergence starter box, which is just an abomination - horribly placed mouldlines and warped pieces galore.
~Tim?
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Maddermax wrote:Rumours are at the moment that the Cyriss Battle Engine (The Transwhatever something projector) is currently being tested as PPs first model done using a new plastic on sprues.
Please let this be true. I'd defiantly buy the model if it is.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Is that PVC what the dire troll kit is made of?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Eugh. PVC is why I've practically stopped buying PP minis (it wasn't a matter of offense, just a slow stop to purchases... realized one day that it was the plastic killing the hobby for me).
Thanks for the reminder- I'd been tempted to get into the Cephalyx.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Oh. It was not so bad then. Still better for conversions that metal ihmo. Though not being able to use the usual plastic glue was a bit of a downer.
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Post by: sing your life
She'd be more likely to be able to get the PVC version, since the metal is OOP now.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
He. I already have it. I plan on getting the metal, old sculpt of the blitzer at some time for variety, because every dire with the same pose is bad-looking.
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Post by: sing your life
I would convert a Blitzer from the metal Mauler and the slugger from the plastic dire troll kit, since the metal Blitzer miniatures has weird proportions, meanwhile the plastic just looks stupid.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
The metal blitzer look awesome imho. Though I have only seen picture, never the actual mini.
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Post by: Maddermax
It's the look of absolute joy on the little pyg's face that says "I'm riding on the back of a dire troll, firing a gun that's twice as large as I am - **** my life is awesome!".
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Post by: willb2064
Maddermax wrote:Rumours are at the moment that the Cyriss Battle Engine (The Transwhatever something projector) is currently being tested as PPs first model done using a new plastic on sprues. The exact details are hazy, only mentioned by a couple of people on various threads (don't know where they got their info from), but I'd be interested to see if that's the path the go down.
Personally, the PVC stuff hasn't bothered me much so far, but I might just be lucky (or have low standards ).
Wow, that would be great!
I haven't had too many issues with PVC with PP. I think it works ok for the jacks. Metal jacks weren't always the easiest models to put together, and my case weighed a metric ton with all my Menoth in. The only units I've put together in PVC are the Menoth knights, which were really annoying, but I remember them being equally annoying in metal so I think it was pretty much a lose-lose situation.
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Post by: sing your life
The pose is great, but It looks to me like the torso and legs are quite skinny compared to the arms, which kind of ruins the model.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Well, to be fair to the blitzer, all the dire trolls have ridonkulous upper bodies with tiny little waists and legs. PPs design preferences seem to be pretty solidly in the "everything above the floating rib MUST be scaled up 300% from reasonable!" range.
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I was going to say "You Must Be New Here/Welcome to Privateer Press!"
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Post by: Maddermax
sing your life wrote:
The pose is great, but It looks to me like the torso and legs are quite skinny compared to the arms, which kind of ruins the model.
Maybe it's the female of the species 
Seriously though, The blitzer has obviously just been missing leg day
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Alpharius wrote:I was going to say "You Must Be New Here/Welcome to Privateer Press!"
And now I have to show you one of the greatest images in the history of everything:
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Post by: AduroT
Been hearing that PP staff have supposedly confirmed the new Circle Warlock will only be allowed to have Wolds in his Battlegroup, but gets Synergy on his spell list. Could be sweet. It's probably the Druid artwork we saw during the league.
Also, MAXIMUS!
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Post by: RoninXiC
Not as sweet as the artwork but I'll get him for sure
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Wasn't the artwork for Maximus just him chillin' with his sword resting? This is much more dynamic.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Dynamic is not always better.
A simple yet menacing pose can be briliant as well.
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Concept art is almost always chilling.
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Is that a warthog gladiator? I might need this.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Just reading the blurb makes Hordes sound way more dire than Warmachine.
Nevermind the Cephalyx, Skorne incursions, or the Kriels upsetting the whole ecosystem as the Mountain Kings come trolling- Krueger will probably find a way to end the world all by himself!
I'd love to see the fiction reach some sort of conclusion that would totally change how some of the factions played, but that would be a pretty big step for all involved.
Looking forward to handicapable 4 legged Xerxis!
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Post by: Laughing Man
Hordes actually is more dire, amusingly. It's especially fun when you realise that Krueger made Blightergast actually start moving from his perpetual sentry post in the Wyrmwalls, and a certain Cygnaran army is bringing a supercharged athanc right to his doorstep.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
I just keep reminding myself that my spending moratorium (self imposed) is up in two weeks or so....
That Epic Borka shall be mine... as well as a War-Wagon for my E-Grim shooty-list.
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
 Just another reason I'm glad I play trolls! And another reason I'm trying to get Farrow!
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This… makes me want to play Gatormen! It is awesome!
Any information on how she plays?
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Nothing I know of. I assume she'll have some undead abilities without stepping on the toes of the Witch Doctor (tough/undead) or Maelock (resurrection, ghostly).
I'm thinking perhaps soul collection (gathering spirits in her description) along with some curses/beast death manipulation. Perhaps in a similar vein to Midas.
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Post by: 44Ronin
Maddermax wrote:
It's the look of absolute joy on the little pyg's face that says "I'm riding on the back of a dire troll, firing a gun that's twice as large as I am - **** my life is awesome!".
And people complain about Gw's sculpts.....
This looks like a toy for a 5 year old
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
What if it was sculpted and made by an Australian company? Would you like it then? ~Tim?
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Post by: motyak
That circle warlock....fine. I'll buy into circle. Are you happy PP? ARE YOU HAPPY?
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 motyak wrote:That circle warlock....fine. I'll buy into circle. Are you happy PP? ARE YOU HAPPY?
Most assuredly.
Interested to see what this guy's back story is. But that model is seriously unreal.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
You know all those rocks on the circle warlock will be metal. Solid pieces too, none of that hollow stuff. With tiny contact points.
Then to make matters more fun they should make the caster resin.
It's a great model visually, I just worry about how it will get put together. I still remember trying to build my Terminus.... 
More gators for me too though!
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Post by: gunslingerpro
highlord tamburlaine wrote:You know all those rocks on the circle warlock will be metal. Solid pieces too, none of that hollow stuff. With tiny contact points.
Then to make matters more fun they should make the caster resin.
It's a great model visually, I just worry about how it will get put together. I still remember trying to build my Terminus....
More gators for me too though!
Well it does say metal and resin model. Hopefully the stones are the resin pieces, eh?
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Post by: TechMarine1
As cool as that gator caster is, I have a small legion army to expand, along with Skorne to build...as well as Cygnar, Protectorate, Cryx and Convergence for Warmachine.
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Post by: solkan
It could be worse. You could have had to jump into a volcano to prove your loyalty to Lord Turok. Although I guess if you had to assemble Death Jack and Terminus back-to-back, the volcano might not be so bad.
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Post by: motyak
So what is the release date for exigence? I need time to save...
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Post by: AduroT
gunslingerpro wrote: highlord tamburlaine wrote:You know all those rocks on the circle warlock will be metal. Solid pieces too, none of that hollow stuff. With tiny contact points.
Then to make matters more fun they should make the caster resin.
It's a great model visually, I just worry about how it will get put together. I still remember trying to build my Terminus....
More gators for me too though!
Well it does say metal and resin model. Hopefully the stones are the resin pieces, eh?
I'm betting the rocks and cloak will be a single resin piece, but the main body and the rocks on the base being metal.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I hope they have enough common sense to put the metal on or around the base.
Then again, there's always Terminus' wings, or the Death Jack, or...
jumps into volcano. 
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Post by: ImAGeek
I play Skorne, but after seeing these previews I wanna get a circle force and maybe trolls too! And that gator caster is awesome. When is Exigence outtttt
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
ImAGeek wrote:I play Skorne, but after seeing these previews I wanna get a circle force and maybe trolls too! And that gator caster is awesome. When is Exigence outtttt
Maybe this will keep your Skorne itch going;
Wow, just terrific sculpt.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I need to know what its rules do... hopefully it sucks and Im not tempted to start skorne...
then again, Capt. Gunnbjorn ain't that great and I'm definitely tempted to start Trollbloods regardless >.<
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
chaos0xomega wrote:then again, Capt. Gunnbjorn ain't that great and I'm definitely tempted to start Trollbloods regardless >.<
Yes, join us! Military caps and bazookas!
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Post by: timetowaste85
I just downloaded the minions cards today. Dammit, I'm starting gator men. Oh, wait. I already decided on it.
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Post by: Surtur
Old man Xerxis has found a new way to keep kids off his lawn.
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Post by: Barzam
Forget Xerxis and the trolls, I want the pig gladiator! Is he out with this latest assortment, or is he coming later?
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Post by: AduroT
 Barzam wrote:Forget Xerxis and the trolls, I want the pig gladiator! Is he out with this latest assortment, or is he coming later?
He wasnt listed with this recent batch that I'm aware of, and announcements are ~3 months in advance of release, so he's a ways out still I believe.
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Post by: jah-joshua
AgeOfEgos wrote:ImAGeek wrote:I play Skorne, but after seeing these previews I wanna get a circle force and maybe trolls too! And that gator caster is awesome. When is Exigence outtttt
Maybe this will keep your Skorne itch going;
Wow, just terrific sculpt.
i have got to get my brushes on this bad boy!!!
thanks for sharing...
cheers
jah
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Post by: ImAGeek
AgeOfEgos wrote:ImAGeek wrote:I play Skorne, but after seeing these previews I wanna get a circle force and maybe trolls too! And that gator caster is awesome. When is Exigence outtttt
Maybe this will keep your Skorne itch going;
Wow, just terrific sculpt.
Oh, my lord. Yeah I'm sticking with Skorne... And maybe Circle.
That sculpt is incredible, maybe even better than I imagined from the art. But when I started it was between Skorne and circle so I'm just gonna do both, screw it
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I dread all the gold trim I'll have to paint on that sucker.
Sometime, someday, someone should tell the Skorne that "Less is more."
I love how his flails are larger than he is now. Trollbloods be gettin' mad jealous they see the size of his weapons!
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Post by: motyak
When will we know if brad-dawg is available at gencon? If he is, I will need to go grovelling to the dcm forums
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Kinda' surprised at the positive reaction here... the detail's nice, but I feel it suffers even more than usual in PP's absurd sense of proportion and posing.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, that was my take. Rhino is interesting, but that weapon in particular... sheesh. Shoulder pads too, of course.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
But I already have all the Khadors and a lots of Blindwater... and a Legion starter...
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, PP's scaling is getting a little nuts. Brad's cape is what, 10 yards of fabric? How could you even walk with that? It is like he is the bride at a druid themed wedding.
... which now will be the theme of the army I build for him with all the wolds....
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Post by: plastictrees
I think I have a pretty high tolerance for "Heroic" scaling, but that Skorne guy is just bananas.
The mount is nice enough, but the rider has established some terrifying new hat/weapon/body ratio that should not be allowed to exist in our world.
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Post by: greenskin lynn
 plastictrees wrote:I think I have a pretty high tolerance for "Heroic" scaling, but that Skorne guy is just bananas.
The mount is nice enough, but the rider has established some terrifying new hat/weapon/body ratio that should not be allowed to exist in our world.
my theory is the mount is the caster, and the caster is just a decoration he wears
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Post by: Schmapdi
 greenskin lynn wrote: plastictrees wrote:I think I have a pretty high tolerance for "Heroic" scaling, but that Skorne guy is just bananas.
The mount is nice enough, but the rider has established some terrifying new hat/weapon/body ratio that should not be allowed to exist in our world.
my theory is the mount is the caster, and the caster is just a decoration he wears
I have to say, I love this theory. It'd be awesome to just leave Xerxis off and paint off the rhino. Boom, rhino warcaster.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
chaos0xomega wrote:But I already have all the Khadors and a lots of Blindwater... and a Legion starter...
But do they have nice military caps? And bazookas? Well, the Khadoran do have bazookas. But not as stylish as Gunnbjorn's!
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
All I know is, in the new Exigence preview video they describe Xerxis' rhino as the "ultimate wheelchair" pretty much guaranteeing I need to start a Skorne army.
I've gotta represent my people, and this is the best take on a "wheelchair" bound model, ever. ;-)
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Okay, this may be unenlightened of me, not spending any significant amount of time around anyone who needs a wheelchair, but what sort of condition requires you have assistance with mobility, but...
-allows you to ride in combat with what appears to be no additional assistance (straps, harnesses, etc)? (I was pretty sure you normally use your legs for riding)
-allows you to carry a flail that's probably got around as much weight as you do, but is based on momentum... and do so one-handed.
Yeah, I know, suspension of disbelief, but that's asking the audience to meet you half-way, not blindly accept. This thing just frustrates me more, the more I look at it.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, we had this conversation with the local warmachine players, but they didn't want to hear it
I do get that this argument is repeated often ( PP's sculpts are out of proportion)... but this is a pretty egregious example of it!
Love that rhino, though.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Warcasters are superhuman, not out of the realm of belief that a likely magical weapon doesn't weigh as much as it looks, think 'Mjolnir' of Marvel-verse Thor infamy. Automatically Appended Next Post: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:But I already have all the Khadors and a lots of Blindwater... and a Legion starter...
But do they have nice military caps? And bazookas? Well, the Khadoran do have bazookas. But not as stylish as Gunnbjorn's!
Khador is all about nice military caps and bazookas, but no bazooka is as nice as Gunnbjorns....
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