Whoa, thanks Orlando! I had a big order waiting to go next week, but it is so much cheaper with that sale... you just saved me $50

Tempting to pick up one of the starters at this cost. Probably the hordes one....hmmm.....

Yep - I gave in an ordered both starter sets. Been wanting t for a while but their plastics reputation gives me pause.

At $60 a pop though - I don't mind a little extra cleanup required. It was tempting to order some of the big gargantuans too - but better to wade in than dive headfirst

Thanks for the heads up! I grabbed a couple of solos and a light jack I needed. I came really close to pulling the trigger on some Collosals...

 RiTides wrote:
Whoa, thanks Orlando! I had a big order waiting to go next week, but it is so much cheaper with that sale... you just saved me $50

no problem, I do like sharing a good deal with fellow mini enthusiasts

Finally snagged a Kraken, an Enigma Foundry, and a token set.

I suppose I should finish the last things I started before this stuff arrives in the mail..

 Hulksmash wrote:
Tempting to pick up one of the starters at this cost. Probably the hordes one....hmmm.....

Come on in..the water's fine

Missed out on the Warmachine starter and Berserkers. Everything else I wanted, I got:
Drago
Behemoth
Greylord Escort
Winter Guard with Rockets
Manhunter
Widowmaker Solo
Winter Guard Field Gun

Came to $135 for all that. Which basically means I bought Drago, Behemoth and the Widowmaker at retail, and the rest was free.


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As a question, does anyone know if you can add something on to an order after you've paid? I missed something I wanted and submitted a ticket, but it's after hours for them. I don't really want to add on an item with $10 shipping after I'm already getting free shipping on something else.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Missed out on the Warmachine starter and Berserkers. Everything else I wanted, I got:
Drago
Behemoth
Greylord Escort
Winter Guard with Rockets
Manhunter
Widowmaker Solo
Winter Guard Field Gun

Came to $135 for all that. Which basically means I bought Drago, Behemoth and the Widowmaker at retail, and the rest was free.


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As a question, does anyone know if you can add something on to an order after you've paid? I missed something I wanted and submitted a ticket, but it's after hours for them. I don't really want to add on an item with $10 shipping after I'm already getting free shipping on something else.

They're usually pretty good about it, so long as the item remains in stock by the time they process your ticket. I've had them retro-actively add points to my account after I failed to login on my phone before, as well as add items.

Should I add it instead of waiting for them to add it, and ask to have the money credited back?

A friend said this code works on top of the discount. I have no idea as I already placed my order, but it's worth a shot if you haven't:

FWDKMR647

 RiTides wrote:
A friend said this code works on top of the discount. I have no idea as I already placed my order, but it's worth a shot if you haven't:

FWDKMR647

Huh - I threw some WM stuff in the shopping cart and went to try the code - it knocked about $4 off a $78 order (5%). I was hoping it'd say what the code was for (since I'm on MM's mailing list - and don't recall any recent sales or anything in my inbox) but it did not.

I hope the good folks at MM don't take too much of a bath on this sale!

It's probably some promotion related to the Forward Kommander website.

Boo! $15 shipping on $21 item, so no buy for me. Why is the cheapest international shipping option called "First class"? Couldn't we get an option for "Second class"?

Avian wrote:
Boo! $15 shipping on $21 item, so no buy for me. Why is the cheapest international shipping option called "First class"? Couldn't we get an option for "Second class"?

There used to be. It was called 'surface mail' but USPS decided to get rid of it about 18 months ago, and double the price of first class at the same time.

Tempting, Miniatures Market, but they have been CLEANED OUT.

Oh, and of course I ordered $200 worth of WM/Hds three days ago from them... dammit. :-p

Man - the PP love continues at MM today - Their "Deal of the Day" today is Warmachine: Vengeance (the newest book) for about $15. I wonder why they felt the need to burn through their WM/H stock?

And yeah - a cursory glance today shows it is getting slim pickins' with what remains.

Thought to long. No Hordes starter for me. Oh well.

Schmapdi wrote:
Man - the PP love continues at MM today - Their "Deal of the Day" today is Warmachine: Vengeance (the newest book) for about $15. I wonder why they felt the need to burn through their WM/H stock?

And yeah - a cursory glance today shows it is getting slim pickins' with what remains.

A great way to quickly get liquidity, I guess? Almost everything I bought is out of stock now, and I got a shipping notice today (I'm probably one of the earlier orders, though).

If you get a build up of stock, it's a good idea to clear it so you can invest it in stocking the newer releases and other products.

And It continues - MM has the Blighted Nyss Legionares as the deal of the day. $25

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/pip73077.html

A few items were restocked this morning - managed to pick up the Khador Collosus and Cryx Kraken that were out of stock when I looked yesterday.

Wish their website didn't fall over every time they have a sale though.

Yeah, MM has been continually restocking about half of their WMHDs inventory every day, I figure since its the weekend that probably won't be the case now, wonder how much longer this sale is going to go on for... I've dropped something like $700 in the past 3 days ><

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/warlocks/helga-the-conquerer

My order is due in Thursday, already have my shipping notice. I had to have them combine two orders too, so complicated it a tiny bit more. Hulk, I probably snagged your hordes starter.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
My order is due in Thursday, already have my shipping notice. I had to have them combine two orders too, so complicated it a tiny bit more. Hulk, I probably snagged your hordes starter.

No worries. The more I look at stuff the less I like the aesthetic of the main factions. The only faction that has a consistant aesthetic I like seems to be the minions/mercs groups.

For those in the know are minions and mercs two totally seperate factions or are the basically one faction (i.e. can I mix Farrow dudes and the Dwarf dudes in a single list)?

Minions and Mercs are two separate factions, beyond that, each of them has a number of separate subfactions within them. When playing either faction you are actually playing one of those subfactions, rather than the faction as a whole, meaning that just because you are playing mercs or minions doesn't mean you can freely pick from all the merc or minion units, etc.

For Minions, this is the Thornfall Alliance (Pigs) and Blindwater Congregation (Gators).

For Mercs, this is Cephalyx, Talion Charter (Pirates), Seaforge Commission (Dwarves), Highborn Covenant (Llaelese resistance & some Cygnar), and Four Star Syndicate (General mercs, allows use of most, but not all merc units).

In both cases there is some overlap between the various subfactions of both mercs and minions, and there is even some very limited overlap between mercs and minions, but to my knowledge there is nothing that allows a cross between Farrow and Dwarves.

Well poop. Maybe I'll just order their respective books. I have a heck of a time finding enough models I like in a faction to get into WH/Hordes.

The books are useful for helping understand how the various subfactions work, but both of them are out of date considering all the new releases that have come out for both since they were published (and in the case of Mercs, it doesn't detail the Cephalyx at all, which have their own separate force book despite technically being a merc subfaction). My advice is to download War Room and purchase the Mercenaries and Minions decks through there (should work out to being cheaper than the books), you can use the Army Builder function of said app to mess around with various builds and see if you can mix and match the models that you like.

As a side note, when playing in multi-list format tournaments, Mercs/Minions aren't locked into a specific subfaction. When playing Minions, you can bring both a Blindwater list and a Thornfall list for example, or when playing Mercs one of your lists can be Seaforge Commission, and the other can be Talion Charter. As a further aside, I'm not sure if that applies to the Cephalyx at all, as they are a very restrictive subfaction, and despite being mercs are being billed as a separate faction alltogether in some ways.

Cephalyx are still a Merc contract. They are in the merc section of Warroom, the cards say Mercenary on them. They're just a very restrictive contract.

And I'd still pick up the books if you're interested in Mercs or Minions. They're the most confusing factions in Warmachine with all the different Contracts and Pacts and some models being Mercs and Minions. The newer releases aren't in the faction books, but the vast majority are. Plus there are still some errors in Warroom so don't trust it 100% when building a list. Check it with the books or on the faction forums on PP's website until you are more comfortable with the factions.

Is the Cephalyx force book out?

I've always loved minions (both factions) the most of all the factions but the lack of choice put me off them. I went with Skorne in the end, but I keep considering starting Minions too, and I might pull the trigger on it with Exigence.

Cephalyx book is still unreleased (also just realized its pretty much impossible to enter a multi-list format tourney with Cephalyx unless you play other Merc pacts due to character restriction).

If you're playing Skorne you should definitely check out the Minion pacts as both have a variety of models that will work for Skorne which would be a good stepping stone for you to transition to playing Minion armies, as the cost barrier to entry is reduced by virtue of the fact that you can purchase a single unit at a time and still see use from them in a Skorne list.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Cephalyx book is still unreleased (also just realized its pretty much impossible to enter a multi-list format tourney with Cephalyx unless you play other Merc pacts due to character restriction).

If you're playing Skorne you should definitely check out the Minion pacts as both have a variety of models that will work for Skorne which would be a good stepping stone for you to transition to playing Minion armies, as the cost barrier to entry is reduced by virtue of the fact that you can purchase a single unit at a time and still see use from them in a Skorne list.

Thanks yeah I know Gatorman Posse are pretty good in Skorne so I think I'll get some when the plastic ones come out. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Minion battle engines, and I really like the 2 new casters.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Cephalyx book is still unreleased (also just realized its pretty much impossible to enter a multi-list format tourney with Cephalyx unless you play other Merc pacts due to character restriction).

Right, but merc players I've seen tend to play a mix of contracts anyway, so it's no big deal.

I think Gatormen are everyones favorite unit, probably one of the best in the game. The battle engines look pretty sweet though based on the pre-production images, etc. ive seen. Rules wise, assuming the leaks are accurate, the Blindwater one will be amazing (and a great little "feth you" to Cryx players everywhere lol)

 malfred wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Cephalyx book is still unreleased (also just realized its pretty much impossible to enter a multi-list format tourney with Cephalyx unless you play other Merc pacts due to character restriction).

Right, but merc players I've seen tend to play a mix of contracts anyway, so it's no big deal.

I know a few who are keen on Cephalyx who aren't mercs players.

 Surtur wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/warlocks/helga-the-conquerer

And this is why I can't take this game seriously.

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/warlocks/helga-the-conquerer

And this is why I can't take this game seriously.

As opposed to the flying wolf chariot that's just been released in 40k...

Why?

No wait, allow me to correct myself...

Why can't you take Warmahordes seriously, but somehow you can take Warhammer Fantasy and 40k seriously despite being far worse offenders?

chaos0xomega wrote:


I know a few who are keen on Cephalyx who aren't mercs players.

There are some, yes. However, they go into Cephalyx knowing that this is a merc thing, just
like rhulic players know that as well.

Who in their right mind thinks that a release like Helga is supposed to be taken seriously? The pigs and to a lesser degree the trolls are the comedy relief factions in WM/H.

I happen to think Helga is one of the most awesome miniatures I have ever seen, but not because I think it asks to be taken seriously.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/warlocks/helga-the-conquerer

And this is why I can't take this game seriously.

As opposed to the flying wolf chariot that's just been released in 40k...

Or Murderfang from the planet Omnicide, whose Murderlust drives him to murder people with his Murderclaws.

I'm offended by the people that can't take Helga seriously.

Disclaimer: Ghost pirates, zombie pirates, and angry ninja elves.

That's murderfangs fluff?

 malfred wrote:
That's murderfangs fluff?

Yep. Meanwhile we get awesome fun models that play with tropes. Female vodoo gatorman and Ms Piggy in battle regalia.

I love the female gatorman model. Do we have any idea on these twos rules yet?

 Surtur wrote:

 malfred wrote:
That's murderfangs fluff?

Yep. Meanwhile we get awesome fun models that play with tropes. Female vodoo gatorman and Ms Piggy in battle regalia.

Can't believe you didn't even mention Murderfang's claws being made of alien ice that doesn't melt...

That's all I could think when I saw this, I was like, Warhmahordes has now gone Miss Piggy. To be honest, I don't like the 40k flying chariot thing but then again I don't play 40k all that much, I'm predominantly a Fantasy player.

Better be able to take a Croak Hunter in Helgas theme force.

 AduroT wrote:

 Surtur wrote:

 malfred wrote:
That's murderfangs fluff?

Yep. Meanwhile we get awesome fun models that play with tropes. Female vodoo gatorman and Ms Piggy in battle regalia.

Can't believe you didn't even mention Murderfang's claws being made of alien ice that doesn't melt...

Seriously, it makes Revenge of the Fallen look well written. I watch Asylum films for fun and I still think Murderfang's fluff is the stupid thing ever put to paper.

Also, we find out the Beer Model today!

ImAGeek wrote:
Better be able to take a Croak Hunter in Helgas theme force.

Why?

Helga -> Miss Piggy

Croak hunter-> Kermit

Totally picking her up. My wife has threatened to buy me a little girl's farm playset for all the animal people I've been painting lately (pigs, goats, bulls, wolves, birds).

I told her it would make nice terrain for an Animal Farm campaign.

Just need some horse men.

So then the Thrullg would be Gonzo?

I am actually a little offended she doesn't have more hair to paint blond. I am going to have a fair bit of sculpting ahead of me.

is it just me or should the cephalyx be a separate faction and not mercenary..

They started as a subfaction

Mercs actually fits. They can take merc units and put that UA on them. They have in the past worked for Cryx for some sort of payment/arrangement, but they themselves are not Cryx. Well, some of them count as Cryx.

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-8-6-2014



http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/strider-rangers



http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/strider-blightblades




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I have a new cauldron of blood

Love the bather - particularly the rubber uhm, ducky?

Important to note - the Rangers/Blightblades are the first 2-in-1 unit. So you'll have parts in the box to build either kit
(or, if you are really talented - can magnetize them for hot swapping).

Schmapdi wrote:


Important to note - the Rangers/Blightblades are the first 2-in-1 unit. So you'll have parts in the box to build either kit
(or, if you are really talented - can magnetize them for hot swapping).

Didn't realize that. Good catch.

Think they're the first Everblight infantry I like.

Yeah but it will be restic so will be awful. I don't understand companies persistence with the stuff on infantry models. I got some bastions and they were worse then mantics restic!

I don't own any everblight.

But I think I need that bather.

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah but it will be restic so will be awful. I don't understand companies persistence with the stuff on infantry models. I got some bastions and they were worse then mantics restic!

They'll be plastic actually. Pp doesn't do resin units.

AduroT wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah but it will be restic so will be awful. I don't understand companies persistence with the stuff on infantry models. I got some bastions and they were worse then mantics restic!

They'll be plastic actually. Pp doesn't do resin units.

No, restic. It's what mantic started calling the PVC that is the same stuff that privateer uses. The name sort of stuck.

It's terrible crap and I'll never buy anything made from it again, so no potential sale for me on the striders.

Incidentally, their old metal cavalry units have been reissued with resin horse bodies, so they do have resin units with metal parts.

Exciting to see them branch out into two unit/box packaging. Hopefully they do that in future releases---with a different 'plastic' .

Damn I want the bather model - why is Exclusive :(

 Mr Morden wrote:
Damn I want the bather model - why is Exclusive :(

All of the 'RAM' models are. You can get it on the PP store during GenCon (though I suppose shipping may be unreasonable).

It will likely be available from their website during whatever cons it is being sold at, just like last years exclusives.

I am really liking the looks of those Striders. A big improvement on what I used to think was one of the two ugliest factions in terms of infantry (Skorne and Legion). Those are nice models, though who knows how they will work in PVC after cleaning/scraping.

It makes me excited to think that Wolves/Reeves will be coming out soon in PVC. I can't bring myself to spend that kind of cash on models I don't like much, but a nicer material will help. (Those spears break at a glance, and the arms don't line up well.)

Those look fun.

I've got about 7 or 8 boxes of various PP restic that I'm loathe to start working on, but I can see myself painting up some Blightblades for some reason or another.

Does the PP web store limit exclusive purchases during Gencon? I have got a neat idea for that bather but I'd need more than one.

Those Rangers look fantastic compared to the current ones.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Does the PP web store limit exclusive purchases during Gencon? I have got a neat idea for that bather but I'd need more than one.

If there is one, I believe it's a limit of 3-5.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those Rangers look fantastic compared to the current ones.

Yeah, the OG Striders aren't...the worst, but I think I prefer these guys more.

Also, while I don't particularly care for cheesecake models I might pick up the bather just for the rubber ducky Shredder.

I'll leave this here:

That looks awesome, totally jealous of Skorne players.

Here's hoping we get Doomy3 riding a giant Dire Troll.

"Argh! My nose is itching! Curse my flamboyant stylistic choices!

Skorne Praetorian Keltarii:

Still hate the Skorne heads.

Those new Skorne are much nicer than the current Swordsmen. Really glad I decided to pick up Skorne as a second Hordes faction.

 Souleater wrote:
Those new Skorne are much nicer than the current Swordsmen. Really glad I decided to pick up Skorne as a second Hordes faction.

Yeah I agree. Skorne are my first faction haha, but I don't like the weird angular heads.

ImAGeek wrote:
Still hate the Skorne heads.

That's what I love about them! Though it looks like their restic so I won't be touching it!

 Souleater wrote:
Those new Skorne are much nicer than the current Swordsmen.

Speaking of, they're a dual kit with the Swordsmen, too.

Spoilers galore on Muse on Mini's fb page https://www.facebook.com/museonminis

I'm still waiting for a new Convergence release. Yes, I know it'll be some time, but a gamer can dream, can't he?
Maybe a "character" vector or an epic caster?

How bout they finish releasing all the jacks from vengeance first

 motyak wrote:
Spoilers galore on Muse on Mini's fb page https://www.facebook.com/museonminis

So, that female gator warcaster uses her snake as a melee weapon. And the usual way, by adding the strength to the pow of the weapon. Let me reiterate, she actually HITS PEOPLE WITH HER SNAKE! That is crazy.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'm still waiting for a new Convergence release. Yes, I know it'll be some time, but a gamer can dream, can't he?
Maybe a "character" vector or an epic caster?

Waiting for the battle engine myself - my Iron Mother wants two

Not, uh, that I play CoC. Or have a load of them waiting in boxes, thanks to Miniature Market's stupid sale

- Salvage

Miniature Markets sale was glorious, I now pretty much own FA of every Khador model (and at least 2, often 3, of every non-character warjack), I just need a second unit of Kossites, as well as a second of a couple solos for theme lists where I can exceed FA (i.e., second widowmaker marksman, second MOW Drakhun, third Koldun Lord, etc.).

On top of that, I now own at least 2 of every non-character Blindwater model/unit...

Oh, and I now have about 400 points of Legion >.>

chaos0xomega wrote:
Miniature Markets sale was glorious, I now pretty much own FA of every Khador model (and at least 2, often 3, of every non-character warjack), I just need a second unit of Kossites, as well as a second of a couple solos for theme lists where I can exceed FA (i.e., second widowmaker marksman, second MOW Drakhun, third Koldun Lord, etc.).

On top of that, I now own at least 2 of every non-character Blindwater model/unit...

Oh, and I now have about 400 points of Legion >.>

I've got a Cephalyx army on the way from the sale, myself.


And yes, Jaga-Jaga hits people with her Tatzlewyrm. Her undead Tatzlewyrm. I really need to finish painting her as well as the rest of my GenCon pre-release haul.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'm still waiting for a new Convergence release. Yes, I know it'll be some time, but a gamer can dream, can't he?
Maybe a "character" vector or an epic caster?

Waiting for the battle engine myself - my Iron Mother wants two

Not, uh, that I play CoC. Or have a load of them waiting in boxes, thanks to Miniature Market's stupid sale

- Salvage

What does she get/give?

She doesn't give it lots, but it is so much juicy infantry removal that they give her Axioms huge benefits. From what I understand, at least.

Seeing the new restic kits, I am excited to see Wolves of Orboros getting that treatment. As much as I despise restic, those spears in metal are terribly fragile, enough to make putting together a somewhat silly looking unit not worth it.

Mostly her personal servitors give even more D6 for damage - so a TEP with all servitors in the right (?) quadrant is chunking 2x 6D6 sprays. And if that didn't get me hot and bothered enough, the TEP is also in Iron Mum's theme list

- Salvage

Miniature maret just posted on facebook that they've had a re-stock so over 275 WH/H stuff back in stock and still 40% off

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


Miniature maret just posted on facebook that they've had a re-stock so over 275 WH/H stuff back in stock and still 40% off

You know, I was promising myself not to get anymore until I finished up what I painted.

Now this is tempting.

This sale really needs to end...

 Eldarain wrote:
This sale really needs to end...

It really does. It's killing me dollar by dollar

 motyak wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
This sale really needs to end...

It really does. It's killing me dollar by dollar

I'm putting OrlandotheTechnicoloured on ignore until September . He's an enabler for my addiction.

 Eldarain wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
This sale really needs to end...

It really does. It's killing me dollar by dollar

I'm putting OrlandotheTechnicoloured on ignore until September . He's an enabler for my addiction.

We can always quote his posts for you, if you like...

one of us.....one of us....

Now if only MM could set up an EU operation I would be able to make more use of these offers myself,

thus removing some of the temptation

Oh good, they're still out of Woldwatchers and Woldwardens, I don't have to buy anything.


Besides, it's not like I've painted Bradigus yet anyway...

Okay guys, I broke down and bought the second-to-last Bronzeback Titan. Well, it does help me with upping my Skorne force.


I am not even sorry.

Spooning Vessel with a Rubber Ducky Shredder! Jump on it! The blood is fine!

Really, I have got to get a bunch of those Rubber Ducky Shredders and use them as the Shredders that pop out of the vessel...

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Mostly her personal servitors give even more D6 for damage - so a TEP with all servitors in the right (?) quadrant is chunking 2x 6D6 sprays. And if that didn't get me hot and bothered enough, the TEP is also in Iron Mum's theme list

- Salvage

I think only the TEP's own servitors add to it's shooting tricks, though Mum's do give it the +2 to hit as I recall.

Sigh. I just placed a huge order of Gatormen two days ago and now they restocked the Snappers, Witch Doctors and Croak Hunters. Everything I really need to round out my starting Blindwater army. Damn sale is deadly to my wallet!

 Wehrkind wrote:
I think only the TEP's own servitors add to it's shooting tricks, though Mum's do give it the +2 to hit as I recall.

I meant Imperil from Directrix's servitors, but I got the rule wrong - I thought it added +D6 damage, but it's just +2. So 5D6+2 damage then. Still sexy, just not as pants exploding

- Salvage

Aye, from everything I have read the TEPs are just sex on a 120mm platter. They fall apart once somethings get to them in melee, but with all the sprays ever they just shred infantry and can reliably drop a heavy in a pinch. Every time I think about fielding a... well whatever Circle has that ISN'T a TEP, I get a little sad.

Here we go, 2 new jacks (I didn't see this artwork earlier)

1) Cygnar jack. My hypothesis (from the shoulder pads and weapon) is that it is the third jack from the kit with the stormclad and reliant coming soon



2) Cryx Jack. It's a heavy. It looks like it has burrow. Good god I hope not.

Hmm... that looks like a character Centurion and maybe the rebuilt Nightmare after he got squished?

How long is that limited time sale at MM going to last!?? >.< I've already spent all the money I have on Legion and Khador, now I'm trying not to spend all the money I DONT have on buying Trollbloods and Farrow (to compliment my Blindwater) too >.<

And don't even get me started on Convergence... I mean, just a few warjacks, a couple infantry and solos, I can get a nice little army for 200-300... spending $300 never hurt anyone, right?

>.<

chaos0xomega wrote:
How long is that limited time sale at MM going to last!?? >.< I've already spent all the money I have on Legion and Khador, now I'm trying not to spend all the money I DONT have on buying Trollbloods and Farrow (to compliment my Blindwater) too >.<

And don't even get me started on Convergence... I mean, just a few warjacks, a couple infantry and solos, I can get a nice little army for 200-300... spending $300 never hurt anyone, right?

>.<

Yes - I know what you mean. I love a good sale, but I already bought 30+ minis didn't really need and now I don't appreciate the lingering temptation to pick up more goodies.


And I mean at 40% off - you're basically somehow magically saving money anytime you buy anything. So it's almost foolish to NOT buy more.

 Marrak wrote:
Hmm... that looks like a character Centurion and maybe the rebuilt Nightmare after he got squished?

More likely a third jack for the Stormclad and Seether chassis (Chasses? Chassi?).

The trick with the sale is to put an unreasonable painting goal ahead of yourself.

Mine was to paint my 2nd unit of steelheads, the heavy cav, a mariner, freebooter, 2 merc plastic jacks, a vanguard, driller, Damiano and Rocinante.

The good:
Merc painting progress accelerating!

The bad:
Going to have a painted freebooter and probably end up with more equally cool looking but worthless on the table top models once I fulfill my painting requirement. I'm looking at you steelhead riflemen and Stannis!

Freebooter is hardly worthless, just be sure to pair it with a buccaneer first

chaos0xomega wrote:
Freebooter is hardly worthless, just be sure to pair it with a buccaneer first

I'm more amazed at the belief that Stannis Brocker is worthless.

The whole statement is rather incredulous. Steelheads just move pair up and shoot. I don't see what he thinks is wrong with them

This MM sale is seriously testing my patience.

I haven't played WM in over a year. I have a smattering of Menoth troops that have never seen a paintbrush.

And all I can think about is how Fire of Salvation and a Chior is only $56 shipped or I could get the entire pKreoss tier list for $120.

Wearing down...

Edit:

----aaaaaaannnnnnd broken. At least I just ordered the Fire of Salvation.

Heaven help me if they restock though....

The key to steelhead riflemen is to refuse a micro flank with just them and start your shooting against models that can counter attack them directly. The end result should be that 4 or 5 enemy models in a unit are dead and the rest of the unit can't reach them on a charge or run.

Works with pretty much every ranged unit in the game and when you can combine ranged shots like they can, it works rather well.

Does this make sense at all? I have no idea if I described it well or not.

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah but it will be restic so will be awful. I don't understand companies persistence with the stuff on infantry models.

They persist because the stuff is dirt cheap and nets them huge profits. Most of the customer base doesn't seem to care that the quality is appalling so companies can continue to get away with it.

angryboy2k wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah but it will be restic so will be awful. I don't understand companies persistence with the stuff on infantry models.

They persist because the stuff is dirt cheap and nets them huge profits. Most of the customer base doesn't seem to care that the quality is appalling so companies can continue to get away with it.

You seem to have a pretty weird definition of what appalling quality is.

Now I prefer metal to any type of plastic when it comes to miniatures, but the complains against PP's plastics usually boil down to warpage of the plastic prior to assembly (that can usually be easily fixed with hot water and also sometimes happen in metal models) and the excessive presence of mold lines that only means a longer than usual prep time of the miniature prior to assembly (and again, that also happens to metal miniatures). I wouldn't define any of these issues as appalling quality.

So it's not so much that riflemen and Stannis are without use.

In Damiano's tier they are awesome.

In Highborn riflemen compete with long gunners and gun mages. When I roll with shootier or even combined arms lists, I tend toward Highborn for access to the area denial / incorporial hunting / stealth squashing / one of the best jack marshals in the game- gun mages.

Marshal discipline is great if running a crap ton of steelheads. I might change my tune about Stannis after I start running the cavalry + halberdier package. Right now he is the same points as Ayanna and Holt.

Freebooter. I want to love it. Trash is a cool rule, so is the arcane turbine thing and chain attack grab and smash is also rad. It's why i picked it up.. that and being a really cool model. Pow 14s are just sad. For a little more reliably, I can get a Nomad for 6 points. More reliable damage and reach! On a heavy with Arm 19, not 17. Lash and no knock down is also cool just... well I'm going to need to field it to feel better about it.

TL;DR
Gun mages and nomads are still really awesome.

the_trooper wrote:
Freebooter. I want to love it. Trash is a cool rule, so is the arcane turbine thing and chain attack grab and smash is also rad. It's why i picked it up.. that and being a really cool model. Pow 14s are just sad. For a little more reliably, I can get a Nomad for 6 points. More reliable damage and reach! On a heavy with Arm 19, not 17. Lash and no knock down is also cool just... well I'm going to need to field it to feel better about it.

I love the Freebooter, I really do. It's got some neat rules and it's fast. Hell, I owned a Freebooter way before I owned a Nomad and I bought my Freebooter on release weekend in MkI(shame on me). Ignoring the entire "Nomad is better for the points" thing for a moment, I find the issue to be not so much that it's fragile, but that it requires other models to do what it does best(wreck or cripple then throw away a heavy). At the very least, you'll need a Buccaneer to knock a target down. At that point, I begin to question why I need to invest two models into removing a single piece when a single Mangler for the same cost will do mostly the same, minus the throw, or a cheaper Nomad even(guess we couldn't actually ignore that, huh?).

Trash is a neat rule, but I find it's a hindrance more than it helps. Like Weapon Master, the Freebooter ended up pillow fisted and as a result, you need to invest more points to get it working. I get that this is Warmachine and that combos are part of the whole point, but when it's going up against some of the better, very cost efficient jacks Mercs already have, said combo loses out. A charging Nomad may not get that 4th die against a KD target, but the difference in P&S just about covers it when you take into account average dice rolls.

Highwaymen

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/trollkin-highwaymen

Plastic Scattergunners

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/scattergunners

Nice to see the highwaymen and plastic scattergunners are always nice. Maybe they'll put out plastic Kreil Warriors one day to Lowe that units price!

hm...i like the highwaymen, if not so much the price

the scattergunners have a few guys with hands that seem just slightly to large, so i guess its good i already have a full unit in metal

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/skorne/units/praetorian-karax

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 greenskin lynn wrote:
hm...i like the highwaymen, if not so much the price

the scattergunners have a few guys with hands that seem just slightly to large, so i guess its good i already have a full unit in metal

It's a bit much, but they are medium based models. Given that GW sells it's equivalent sized termies at 5 for $50, 10 for $60 ain't so bad

 malfred wrote:
Highwaymen

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/trollkin-highwaymen

Plastic Scattergunners

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/scattergunners

Oh my god, Privateer Press must just love me! First Dozer and Smigg, and now that? That is like the total absolute opposite of GW!

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/solos/maximus

Are you not entertained?!

Will those new scattergunners come with new stats to make them more useful though?

Maximus is pretty awesome.

Have you not run them with egrim and the ua?

 malfred wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/solos/maximus

Are you not entertained?!

I am now!

Maximus is awesome! War Pigs are my favorite faction and it's nice to see them get some love. Such a sweet model.

Love the Highwaymen. Love scattergunners, too. I'll probably pick up a box of the plastics since I only have a min unit.

Man, there have actually been some aesthetically pleasing models lately. I hope they don't keep this up...

 Alpharius wrote:

 malfred wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/solos/maximus

Are you not entertained?!

I am now!

Oh that is nice... So very, very nice... Yeah.... I'll be getting a Maximus to joint Lord Carver!

I am, indeed, entertained!

Valete,

JohnS

 malfred wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/solos/maximus

Are you not entertained?!

Sounds kinda like a certain betrayer of a character...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Will those new scattergunners come with new stats to make them more useful though?

I hope not! Scattergunners are terrifying enough as it is!

privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/warjacks/dynamo

Well, looks like those previews are character Jacks after all. Puts the third chassis vs. character argument to bed. Can't wait to see the other faction ones!

Which previews?

But, but... plastic kodiak

 Surtur wrote:
Which previews?

The yellowed 'sketches' from a few pages back. Filter for my posts and you'll find them.

 HoverBoy wrote:
But, but... plastic kodiak

There's still going to be a plastic Kodiak with the Grolar, they'll just most likely be a 2-in-1 kit rather than a 3-in-1.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Well, looks like those previews are character Jacks after all. Puts the third chassis vs. character argument to bed. Can't wait to see the other faction ones!

Pp confirmed they were character jacks a couple weeks ago already.

 AduroT wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Well, looks like those previews are character Jacks after all. Puts the third chassis vs. character argument to bed. Can't wait to see the other faction ones!

Pp confirmed they were character jacks a couple weeks ago already.

Missed that part. Last I saw there was still speculation on if they were 2 in 1, 3 in 1 or two with a character upgrade in the box. I'm still wondering when we'll see the jacks from the last book.

 Thanatos73 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Well, looks like those previews are character Jacks after all. Puts the third chassis vs. character argument to bed. Can't wait to see the other faction ones!

Pp confirmed they were character jacks a couple weeks ago already.

Missed that part. Last I saw there was still speculation on if they were 2 in 1, 3 in 1 or two with a character upgrade in the box. I'm still wondering when we'll see the jacks from the last book.

Ok yeah, we knew they were characters, we didn't know how they were going to be boxed, if they'd be upgrade kits or mixed in as a multipart plastic kit. Otherwise I've heard the reason we've not gotten the jacks from the previous book is because they're going to be boxed as a single kit that includes a Jack from the next book for 3in1s again.

 AduroT wrote:
Otherwise I've heard the reason we've not gotten the jacks from the previous book is because they're going to be boxed as a single kit that includes a Jack from the next book for 3in1s again.

Which is entirely possible. There could indeed be new non-character Jacks based on the Warjacks of Renown chassis variants.

Which would kind of be cool to have a non-character thunderhead chasis jack. Just to advance the story a bit, with Nemo remembering a little of what allowed him to create Thunderhead in the first place.

 Vertrucio wrote:
Which would kind of be cool to have a non-character thunderhead chasis jack. Just to advance the story a bit, with Nemo remembering a little of what allowed him to create Thunderhead in the first place.

That's Apotheosis, not Renown. The Renowns are already all non-character and include the Stormclad, Seether, Guardian, and Kodiak.

Any word on if this will be a metal or resin kit?

 cincydooley wrote:
Any word on if this will be a metal or resin kit?

White metal and resin (not plastic).

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/units/farrow-bone-grinders



http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/kriel-warriors



ZE BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLIES!

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/blight-wasps

The flying bases' stands really do not work with those small bugs :(

Boo metal on the wasps too. I've been wanting them to make stingers/harriers into plastic. Now I've got another tiny critter that needs plasticized.

On the other hand - thank god they finally made Kriel Warriors plastic. It was, I think, the most-requested plastic kit. It cut the cost of the full unit nearly in half.

RoninXiC wrote:
The flying bases' stands really do not work with those small bugs :(

Yeah they look really silly.

Not impressed with those insects.

I do like that they keep replacing those incomplete unit boxes though.

Those flying bases really don't work with such small models...

I'm also not a fan of the insect wings themselves. I think I'm giving these ones a pass.

Finally, plastic Kriel Warriors!

Those bugs look exactly like butterflies look in my wife's mind's eye, I think. At least that would explain her reactions to them.

Perhaps some brass rod would work better than the giant flight stands, but over all they are not too terrible... needs better wings though.

Fenris is doing laser etched acrylic wings for their giant hornet



http://fenrisgames.com/shop#!/FGPF01-Giant-Hornet/p/36769815

and they are usually flexible about supplying parts if you ask them

 Surtur wrote:
ZE BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLIES!

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/blight-wasps

I've nabbed a bunch of small plague drone wings off ebay for a similar model, I think they'd work pretty well with these, too (although they'd be a lot bigger than what's on them currently).

These wings:



But yeah, agreed about the flying stands needing to be replaced on those, too. Still, with some work the models could be sweet! The project I got the wings for was to convert the below Chronopia swamp goblin drones, which also might make decent counts-as for these models (alhtough I know most PP players don't do a lot of counts-as):



For the other releases, plastic kriel warriors is great!

@Wehrkind- Lol about your wife's reaction to butterflies . Did I mention my coworker raises them as a hobby...

Uhh those "Wasps" are horrible :(

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/zuriel

Zuriel looks pretty awesome, though I don't want to try and fit him into a carrying case

I'm also not a fan of the flying beast bases, nor the wings.

Are all the Horde's factions getting these packs? If so, what's in store for Circle, anyone know?

PhantomViper wrote:
Those flying bases really don't work with such small models...

I'm also not a fan of the insect wings themselves. I think I'm giving these ones a pass.

It's not the size of the models. They look fine on the Convergence stuff.

 .Mikes. wrote:
I'm also not a fan of the flying beast bases, nor the wings.

Are all the Horde's factions getting these packs? If so, what's in store for Circle, anyone know?

Just Legion and Skorne are getting beast packs.

So far, anyway.

 Surtur wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/zuriel

man, the karate kid really let himself go, and apparently took some bad drugs

 Wehrkind wrote:
Zuriel looks pretty awesome, though I don't want to try and fit him into a carrying case

Magnetize the wings, much better than those attack bumblebee's

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Zuriel looks pretty awesome, though I don't want to try and fit him into a carrying case

Magnetize the wings, much better than those attack bumblebee's

The wings and the right arm at least. He looks like he is 5 inches tall toe to tip. The bumble bees seem like they will lay down flat at least.

I am jealous of the model though, and it is the first Legion heavy whose jaw scale thing doesn't look like a googly eye.

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/accessories/warmachine-3-area-of-effect-ring-markers



http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/accessories/warmachine-4-area-of-effect-ring-markers



http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/accessories/warmachine-5-area-of-effect-ring-marker

 malfred wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Those flying bases really don't work with such small models...

I'm also not a fan of the insect wings themselves. I think I'm giving these ones a pass.

It's not the size of the models. They look fine on the Convergence stuff.

Yes, I agree, but the CoC servitors are just balls so there isn't much of a chance of they looking bad.


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 Surtur wrote:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/zuriel

Now THIS is a Legion model that I like!

The flying stands look better in person. The way pp does their pictures they end up looking a lot more frosted and noticeable than on the table.

Rings!!!! Sold. Sold 1000 times over. I've been too slack to track down rings from somewhere else, so pp offering them is great

The rings are great, and it was about damn time they'd start selling their own! The Zuriel is pretty great too

A lot of the legion models lately are fantastic, I love the legion beasts and characters... I just HATE their infantry -.-

Oh gods, rings. I have been trying to track down a set of bloody 4" rings around here forever. I actually look forward to dropping 30$ on official PP rings now...

New Legion model looks like he's trying to be a cheerleader. Switch the swords for pom-poms and yell "Go team!"

Northkin Fire eaters -
Amazing paint job, and pretty snazzy models.




Braylen Wanderhart - Trollbloods are really getting some loving at the moment.



Resculpt of Seige Brisbane - probably not the most necessary resculpt, but hey, now he's using his gun rather than his hammer.



Oh, and in the vein of PPs new rings, they've put out another set of game aids - health markers for multiwound models, in small, medium and large varieties.



While it's usually easy enough to keep track of things on the cards, this will really help with some situations.

Those wound markers are a neat idea. Hopefully they don't clutter the table too much. I can see them being a hassle when everyone goes smashing in to each other (unless you just set the counter on top of the card at that point).

But those new Trolls- WOW. Not even interested so much in stats for them as I am in just getting to paint them! That outlaw is going to be a must purchase for sure, and hopefully my daughter won't snatch her up (as she steals all my "fighting girls" as she likes to call them). Those firebreathers are the perfect balance of cool, crazy, and ridiculous for me.

Not a fan of the new Siege model, it retains the weird proportions that makes him look like a space marine, in a bad way.

The wound markers will help big time for those multi wound medium or large based models. So many people just don't mark models and it's always a hassle to keep track of which model is which for some.

That said, it can be just as much a hassle to try and pickup those tokens on a busy table, especially when those big multiwound models will be on the front lines.

I think picking up the tokens and keeping them straight is going to be an issue. Every unit with them will take up to twice as long to move as you have to touch stuff twice for every model. I also don't see why they are better than a d8 for tracking. I dunno, not seeing the value.

I do love the new troll models, though I am troubled by the outlaws' wrists rotating out instead of in. Usually when you have two pistols you hold them vertically or more likely rotated in a bit so you can see the sights. Rotated out, not so good. Probably not too hard to fix, just one of those little oversights that bugs me on an otherwise great model.

The troll character looks bizarrely narrow to me, but the unit's one of the nicer things I've seen PP put out recently.

Marcus is pretty good, but he looks kind of stubby.

Agreed with wherkind on the markers. Also, good point on the details... I feel PP very often misses the point of why things are things (with one of the most egregious errors being their handling of firearms, like the above and revolvers where the chambers don't line up with the barrels)

The character troll is a bit thinner than the other troll females we've seen. I'll chalk that up to her lifestyle choices.

The guns I don't see as much of an issue. I see it as more of her trying to keep a large area covered, as opposed to concentrating her fire on one target. Like you guys said though, I'd imagine that's a fairly easy fix, especially if the hands and guns are cast separately then the rest of the body.

I'll definitely get some of those new gaming aids when I get my Khador army up to speed.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The guns I don't see as much of an issue. I see it as more of her trying to keep a large area covered, as opposed to concentrating her fire on one target. Like you guys said though, I'd imagine that's a fairly easy fix, especially if the hands and guns are cast separately then the rest of the body.

Not so much the direction the muzzles are going, but the rotation on the wrists. Even when pointing at targets far to the left and right the weapons would be rotated in. Not a huge deal, but it makes her look rather limp wristed. Like S.Cadaver said, it is one of those little details that PP is sloppy about but really offends the eye when you see it.

Ohh, looks like they have a couple more resculpts coming out today too! And these ones were definitely worthy candidates for them!



And the famously Horse Faced Zerkova has been resculpted as well! She now doesn't look like Sarah Jessica Parker holding an ice cream cone!



Lastly, the Extreme Sculpts are now going into general release (rather than online only), as a mixture of Metal and Resin! Well, the Khador ones anyway, but presumably the others will follow:




Trolls and Khador are definitely winning today

Edit: Now with clicky-pop links on the photos to see the 360s

Don't think Fiona particularly needed it, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually think Zerkova's old sculpt was better. Dumb face and all, she at least doesn't have this one's awkward pose (apparently she's ready to club you with her zappy stick?) and weird wind she's in- part of her cape is affected, but not her hair and her tabard thing doesn't look like it's moving the same way...

I have no idea what Zerkova is supposed to be doing in the new sculpt. Is she dancing or something?

Turns out her magic is powered by orgoth dancing.

I like it better than ice cream sales Zerkova.


Here is your cone!

If you combine the top half of the new sculpt, and the bottom half of the old one, you may get one partly decent sculpt out of it

I personally didn't think the Siege sculpt was that bad, I was kinda hoping it was the Siege2 sculpt personally

nobody wrote:
I personally didn't think the Siege sculpt was that bad, I was kinda hoping it was the Siege2 sculpt personally

Not bad, just very static It was also very odd, IMO, that he wasn't even holding(much less using) his signature weapon.

nobody wrote:
I personally didn't think the Siege sculpt was that bad, I was kinda hoping it was the Siege2 sculpt personally

I prefer the old sculpt to this new one myself. Guess I'm going to have to pick it up before it goes OOP.

Loving all the new troll love.

May start pigs though now too.

Man, they are just pumping out models now;

Well, I think I prefer the old Thags model, but I do like that they're doing resculpts of the older models. The new fiona looks great.

The original thags looks way better. This one looks goofy and it looks like they enlarged his hand even more.

I love the cyriss battle engine though. The little legs underneath are a great touch.

Old Thags was craptastic. This one is a massive improvement in my opinion.

That Convergence battle engine is amazing. And it's all plastic, not resin.

That forced perspective isn't really doing him any favors either...

 Alex C wrote:
Old Thags was craptastic. This one is a massive improvement in my opinion.

Agree. I like how it matches eThags more than the original.

Yeah old pThags is kinda trash compared to this one...

The new pTharg looks much better in the 3D rotation.

if PP re-do all the bad Legion Infantry i am going to be very poor...

 MWHistorian wrote:
That Convergence battle engine is amazing. And it's all plastic, not resin.

Yes - it'll be interesting to find out more about this release. It's in the much rumored "new plastic." Whether this is "proper" plastic, or some other formulation remains to be seen.

But two things worth noting right off the bat:
1) They didn't feel the need to make any pieces out of resin, or metal.
2) At $70 it's $15-25 cheaper than all the other battle engines.

Those alone are enough to make excited at future prospects.

He has really being working out with one hand

Been waiting for the TEP, happy to see it's so solid - and affordable? - now that it's arrived. Now I'm back to wanting two + whatever caster helps them be even more awesome

- Salvage

WMW store items. Of note, new Exclusive: Thagrosh, Painter of Everblight




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Zuriel is on sale at WMW? Damn!

PhantomViper wrote:
Zuriel is on sale at WMW? Damn!

I felt the same when I saw Maximus on the list.

This is amazing.

Anyone know if they said anything about a new DEneghra sculpt? They've yet to do one that isnt just straight up terrible.

Not playing Hordes but I presume that painter model is just a collecter's item?

Those troll fire eaters are lovely models. Picked up a Troll faction a few years ago but mainly have them boxed away. Will definitely pick up some of those new models and dust off my old ones!

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Anyone know if they said anything about a new DEneghra sculpt? They've yet to do one that isnt just straight up terrible.

Maybe so, but we really don't need a 4th pDenny sculpt before other models get a 2nd.

That painter of Everblight mini is just straight up cool.


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And now it's confirmed from a live stream from warmachine weekend - the Cyriss Battle Engine is made using a new type of plastic - on a Sprue. Also, they're planning on using it for all mechanical models like warjacks from here on! Probably why we're still waiting for the Warjack kits from Vengence. Very good news

 Maddermax wrote:
That painter of Everblight mini is just straight up cool.


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And now it's confirmed from a live stream from warmachine weekend - the Cyriss Battle Engine is made using a new type of plastic - on a Sprue. Also, they're planning on using it for all mechanical models like warjacks from here on! Probably why we're still waiting for the Warjack kits from Vengence. Very good news

Hooray!

Neat, that's a big move for PP.
Can't imagine that it's cost effective to replace their existing horrible plastic kits though.

Hilarious that they've produced a Golden Demon mini.

I kind of wish Thags just had a hole in his hands for holding your paint brush. That would make a bangin' brush rest.

And I cannot say how happy I am that PP is finally going in for proper HIPS models. The future is looking very bright for them; I am excited at the prospect of moaning about these very glory days some 15 years from now on Dakka!

 Wehrkind wrote:
I kind of wish Thags just had a hole in his hands for holding your paint brush. That would make a bangin' brush rest.

And I cannot say how happy I am that PP is finally going in for proper HIPS models. The future is looking very bright for them; I am excited at the prospect of moaning about these very glory days some 15 years from now on Dakka!

The new style stuff is currently only planned for mechanical based models(ie. Warjacks). Current kits and organics will continue to use the PVC, though it's not entirely out of the question that there may be some organics in the future using the new stuff.

They're probably not going to but I really want them to redo all the CoC vectors in the new plastic...

Looking forward to a Grolar on a sprue though!

 Maddermax wrote:
Braylen Wanderhart - Trollbloods are really getting some loving at the moment.

That metal corset? How is that supposed to go with the desperado/outlaw/cowboy theme?
I am going to green-stuff it away if I ever get the model.

Eh, just paint it as cloth or leather with studs. What's a little stranger that I hadn't noticed till just now is the thighs fully wrapped in bandages. Sort of an odd choice... is she a mummy from the waist down?

 ImAGeek wrote:
They're probably not going to but I really want them to redo all the CoC vectors in the new plastic...

Looking forward to a Grolar on a sprue though!

For a lot of their current kits, they simply can't be converted to hard plastic (HIPS) without a complete resculpt due to the undercuts they have. The COC vectors are particularly egregious examples of this, and are terrible to model with even in PVC, because there is so much detail in convex parts and tiny cog/screw imprints in otherwise flat panels.
On the other hand, most of them can be converted 1-for-1 to PVC - see the new plastic EBDT and Runeshapers.

I could definitely get back into Warmahordes with this. CoC looks like it could be the faction for me (Khaldor second) but I'd need to see how they play before I spend my money.

I'd love to see the CoC become more fully fleshed out in HIPS, compared to the restic they currently use. It's been one of the barriers for me to resist getting into the system, as I haven't liked the material their stuff is made from. This could change all that.

Trasvi wrote:
For a lot of their current kits, they simply can't be converted to hard plastic (HIPS) without a complete resculpt due to the undercuts they have.

Nonsense. It just means that when they design the sprue, they'll need to break apart sections into two or three smaller components to allow for those undercuts. GW and Wyrd are pretty good at doing this and with the new CoC polystyrene kit, I see no reason PP can't do the same.

BTW, anyone know if there's a date for the TEP to be released?

 Wehrkind wrote:
Eh, just paint it as cloth or leather with studs.

A cloth or leather corset makes only very, very marginally more sense for a desperado/bandit.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Eh, just paint it as cloth or leather with studs.

A cloth or leather corset makes only very, very marginally more sense for a desperado/bandit.

It doesn't have to make sense. We're talking about a female Troll guerrilla fighting in a steam-fantasy world where techno-wizards magically controlling steam-powered robots in battle against Dragonspawn under the direction of Elves with bits of Dragon stuck in their rib cage is considered "normal".

I can forgive a marginally confusing wardrobe choice...

 Alex C wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Eh, just paint it as cloth or leather with studs.

A cloth or leather corset makes only very, very marginally more sense for a desperado/bandit.

It doesn't have to make sense. We're talking about a female Troll guerrilla fighting in a steam-fantasy world where techno-wizards magically controlling steam-powered robots in battle against Dragonspawn under the direction of Elves with bits of Dragon stuck in their rib cage is considered "normal".

I can forgive a marginally confusing wardrobe choice...

That's kind of the point though; why does a female Troll guerrilla fighting in a steam-fantasy world where techno-wizards magically controlling steam-powered robots in battle against Dragonspawn under the direction of Elves with bits of Dragon stuck in their rib cage model need cleavage?

To confuse the enemy

 Alex C wrote:
It doesn't have to make sense.

Sorry, wrong choice of expression. Replace “make sense” with “fit the character”.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That's kind of the point though; why does a female Troll guerrilla fighting in a steam-fantasy world where techno-wizards magically controlling steam-powered robots in battle against Dragonspawn under the direction of Elves with bits of Dragon stuck in their rib cage model need cleavage?

Sometimes a girl wants to feel sexy?

Can we talk about her choice of that bandana with those shoes now?

Okay, I am sorry. The discussion on whether this mindset is appropriate or not should go to a completely different thread, that would inevitably degenerate into namecalling after between a dozen or five pages, and then be closed. I did not want to create a discussion in here. If someone feels like doing so, please create a thread, we can discuss the intricacies of female character design there. Here, please keep the discussion on the new PP release.

Don't we have enough of those threads that have burnt through their life cycle of useful discussion?

I'm super excited about the hard plastic. The PVC really caused me to put the brakes on my WM/H spending. Thankfully I managed to get metal winterguard, banes, mechanithralls and all the ret infantry while they were available.

If they start rolling out hard plastic for more releases, I'll find it very, very hard to resist.

Fingers crossed we see it for the Minion battle engines.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Maddermax wrote:
Braylen Wanderhart - Trollbloods are really getting some loving at the moment.

That metal corset? How is that supposed to go with the desperado/outlaw/cowboy theme?
I am going to green-stuff it away if I ever get the model.

/cough

With the introduction of hard plastics, I wonder if we will finally, FINALLY, FINALLY see some modular joints in PP's figures.

Man, I just saw these new sprues! This could be huge for PP, it certainly seems to shorten the gap between GW and PP plastics, often a "last hold-out" reason for those citing why they don't play WMH.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
With the introduction of hard plastics, I wonder if we will finally, FINALLY, FINALLY see some modular joints in PP's figures.

The models that they're using it for(mechanical stuff like Warjacks) tend to already have some modular joints.

I'm excited enough about the new plastic that as soon as I saw the sprue picture for the battle engine, I was like, is it possible to make an army that only has metal and hard plastic? Two of the battle engines, a caster, some solos...

Sadly, not yet as the jacks and units are entirely PVC :(

Wow! Proper hard plastic! I wonder if this means with might possibly see a change in price? Nah, probably not.

I really like the Painter of Everblight. I hope they make him easy to get.

 Barzam wrote:
Wow! Proper hard plastic! I wonder if this means with might possibly see a change in price? Nah, probably not.

The resin and metal battle engines are $85-$95 and this plastic one is $70 and it's at least as big as any other battle engine. But a price drop from the crappy PVC plastic? Not likely.

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Wow! Proper hard plastic! I wonder if this means with might possibly see a change in price? Nah, probably not.

The resin and metal battle engines are $85-$95 and this plastic one is $70 and it's at least as big as any other battle engine..

At least.

Legion wins by a head!

Also, for the person that asked about a release timeframe on the TEP, all the previews launched this past week are for February I believe.

 malfred wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Maddermax wrote:
Braylen Wanderhart - Trollbloods are really getting some loving at the moment.

That metal corset? How is that supposed to go with the desperado/outlaw/cowboy theme?
I am going to green-stuff it away if I ever get the model.

/cough

You my friend, just earned an exalt

New plastic Reliant and Stormclad courtesy of MuseonMinis.

Sweet!

 Platuan4th wrote:
New plastic Reliant and Stormclad courtesy of MuseonMinis.

Spoiler:

Please be the new plastic... That would totally get me to finish my Cygnar to 50 points.

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
New plastic Reliant and Stormclad courtesy of MuseonMinis.

Spoiler:

Please be the new plastic... That would totally get me to finish my Cygnar to 50 points.

The Vengence jacks are all gonna be the new plastic I believe. Dynamo is metal and resin though but he is a character.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
New plastic Reliant and Stormclad courtesy of MuseonMinis.

Spoiler:

Please be the new plastic... That would totally get me to finish my Cygnar to 50 points.

The Vengence jacks are all gonna be the new plastic I believe. Dynamo is metal and resin though but he is a character.

Yup. They stated at WMW that all mechanically based plastic models(starting with the TEP) will be using the new plastic.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Yup. They stated at WMW that all mechanically based plastic models(starting with the TEP) will be using the new plastic.

More great news. Now the other thing I want to hear is that all new production runs of previously released mechanical subjects will be slowly re-released in the new plastic.

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Yup. They stated at WMW that all mechanically based plastic models(starting with the TEP) will be using the new plastic.

More great news. Now the other thing I want to hear is that all new production runs of previously released mechanical subjects will be slowly re-released in the new plastic.

I'd assume that'll happen, but it might take a fair amount of time - changing production methods can take years, but I'm sure they'll get around to it as moulds wear out.

 Maddermax wrote:

I'd assume that'll happen, but it might take a fair amount of time - changing production methods can take years, but I'm sure they'll get around to it as moulds wear out.

If it's all outsourced, the switch can be more rapid than having to wait for moulds to wear out.

 malfred wrote:
/cough

Yeah. Exactly. Do you see this guy in a metal or even leather corset? Me neither.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah. Exactly. Do you see this guy in a metal or even leather corset? Me neither.

You do realize that WM doesn't take place in the old west, don't you?

Hey look, here is another gunfighter Trollblood with a metal coursete:



And another!



Its almost like its a theme for Trollbloods...

 Maddermax wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Yup. They stated at WMW that all mechanically based plastic models(starting with the TEP) will be using the new plastic.

More great news. Now the other thing I want to hear is that all new production runs of previously released mechanical subjects will be slowly re-released in the new plastic.

I'd assume that'll happen, but it might take a fair amount of time - changing production methods can take years, but I'm sure they'll get around to it as moulds wear out.

Since they're sticking with PVC for organics and they didn't say or even imply that they were going to re-work the older stuff, I'm not going to assume anything. It'd probably be more work than it's worth for them.

PhantomViper wrote:
You do realize that WM doesn't take place in the old west, don't you?

Yes I do.
An article on what corsets are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset
An article on what breastplate are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastplate

Hunters Grim is not wearing a corset, and neither is Jarl Skuld. That is a pretty different garment from a breastplate, with very different uses an very different thematic associations. The few extra pieces of armor on Jarl and Grim just makes them look armored up.

Pity about only using good plastic on mechanicals. My only real interests in Warmahordes is normally organics from Hordes. Trollbloods in particular. I just loathe the metal models and their pvc is just horrible if the starters are anything to go by.

I'd be interested but not till they expand more into the plastic range.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Pity about only using good plastic on mechanicals. My only real interests in Warmahordes is normally organics from Hordes. Trollbloods in particular. I just loathe the metal models and their pvc is just horrible if the starters are anything to go by.

I'd be interested but not till they expand more into the plastic range.

They've said they haven't ruled out the good plastic on organics. I'm guessing they just want to get it right, and mechanical stuff is a lot easier to make convincing in that plastic than organic shapes, so Id rather they took their time and did it right.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
You do realize that WM doesn't take place in the old west, don't you?

Yes I do.
An article on what corsets are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset
An article on what breastplate are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastplate

Hunters Grim is not wearing a corset, and neither is Jarl Skuld. That is a pretty different garment from a breastplate, with very different uses an very different thematic associations. The few extra pieces of armor on Jarl and Grim just makes them look armored up.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl - please start a separate topic on this in whatever section of the forum is appropriate, if you actually feel you have to start and/or participate in yet another one of these, and do not continue to drag this one off topic.

Privateer has always been a financially conservative company, so I expect a slow roll out of the new plastic, just like they had a slow roll out of the PVC plastic. Unless the sales don't justify it, I really don't see why it won't eventually become the normal plastic for them given enough time. And "enough time" is going to be years, just like it was for the PVC. I just don't see them jumping into hard plastic for everything like Wyrd did for Malifaux.

Sorry, I was just kidding about that.

Corsets and heels are par for the female characters in game.

I found this on Facebook and thought I'd share here.

The third leg seems to be missing, Breotan - amusing idea, though.

I didn't make it, just linked it. I'm guessing the third leg was used to make terrain.

Could always be a female Colossal...

So apparently we got a new Khador jack coming up. No stats released yet.
I really hope it's Butcher's character jack.

Lots of Orgoth symbols there, probably Zerkova's or possibly the Butchers.

Also, it's no ordinary wolf skin there On the shoulder

I'm getting a Butcher or maybe Old Witch vibe from that jack. Either way, it's looking pretty damn savage.

I hope it's Zerkovas.

Very nice to see PP moving to hard plastics. I'm hoping that one of the by products of this is that the end result models will more closely match the digital sculpts, which is a lot easier to do with hard plastic than with PVC (and its also a higher quality material, IMHO). I think it will really help them to maintain an end result product that more closely matches their art direction and design intent. That's always been a bit of a "hit or miss" nature with PP's models - the art direction and design intent are always flawlessly gorgeous, but then the final model tends to be very hit or miss.

For instance, the trollblood and everblight stuff (mostly) tends to be right on target, where the retribution stuff is very spotty. See also Kayazy assassins (not sure if they ever remade these, but the original metals looked like Khador's High Kommand took riders of a short bus and put knives in their hand and released a propaganda campaign about them being deadly killers).

This is a great move for them overall I think. If they can get their plastics in line with the quality i'm used to in plastic kits, i might pick the game up again.


-- Haight

It might be for Old Witch now that you mention it. She figures a bit in the Exigence fluff as a frenemy of Wormwood, so maybe she is about to become more active after getting pissy about the dragon issue.

I had heard from other places that it was Butcher's jack, but not with any source for confirmation.

The Witch already has Scrapjack though... On the other hand The Warpwolf Skin hints to her, she´s Khadors primary anti Circle character.

 tommse wrote:
The Witch already has Scrapjack though...

The Scrapjack is not an Affinity Warjack, it's a Companion Warjack.

Or maybe it's for an eWitch. She dumps scrapjack and gets this one to replace him.

Looks like he skipped leg day

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Looks like he skipped leg day

I continue to hope for a Zerkova alligned Warjack that uses Orgoth tech to let it cast it's controller's spells using the Focus that's been Allocated to it in the same manner as Deathjack. For the Affinity, let it use one of her Orgoth relics when it does so.

I don't want it to be for pZerkova. How bad do you really wanna arc Razor wind?