The Bloodwrack is on 40, but she looks somewhat larger than these new medusa/gorgons. Just looking at the pics, their bases don't look much bigger than the witch aelves.
Vorian wrote: You'd imagine they are in for a reboxing... hopefully discounted from their current crazy price like other reboxings have had
I mean, you'd imagine they would have done that with Tree-Revenants and Vulkite Berzerkers...but they didn't.
You've lost me. They reboxed old WHFB units to bigger but discounted boxes. What do these two AoS releases have to do with that?
To be fair they’ve done it with Stormcast too, but they did it when they got a new book (which Sylvaneth and Fyreslayers haven’t).
They did it with Stormcast, Seraphon, Ogres, and a few others. Not all of them have coincided with book releases either. Just the majority of them.
You're being either deliberately obtuse or your missing the actual point. If the rebox accompanies a new battle tome then it generally gets a discount. Stormcast followed the updated stormcast book, Seraphon happened with their release, orgres with theirs, iron jaws with theirs, and dryads with theirs. If you notice a trend it's the reboxed battleline "for battle tome release" that tends to happen. Every thing you listed as reboxed but not bumped in size isn't for a new a book.
Honestly, this would be a good opportunity for them to go 20 for $63 or something similar as that would bring the prices closer to inline with the current battle line options for released books of the same point value. Personally I hope they do. I could easily see wanting to field 2-3 20-30 man units of daughters infantry alongside the harpies and snake ladies. The new models look fantastic and it feels like an AoS army from the previews. Not an entirely new faction unfortunately like the Overlords but something closer to Iron Jawz & Sylvaneth which outside of the GHB2 changes to Iron Jawz, is a great thing.
Hulksmash wrote: Not an entirely new faction unfortunately like the Overlords but something closer to Iron Jawz & Sylvaneth which outside of the GHB2 changes to Iron Jawz, is a great thing.
The Ironjawz/Sylvaneth style update is my favorite method. It allows people to use their old legacy armies while still giving them new toys. I'd love to see this continue with other legacy factions!
Hulksmash wrote: You're being either deliberately obtuse or your missing the actual point. If the rebox accompanies a new battle tome then it generally gets a discount. Stormcast followed the updated stormcast book, Seraphon happened with their release, orgres with theirs, iron jaws with theirs, and dryads with theirs. If you notice a trend it's the reboxed battleline "for battle tome release" that tends to happen. Every thing you listed as reboxed but not bumped in size isn't for a new a book.
Honestly, this would be a good opportunity for them to go 20 for $63 or something similar as that would bring the prices closer to inline with the current battle line options for released books of the same point value. Personally I hope they do. I could easily see wanting to field 2-3 20-30 man units of daughters infantry alongside the harpies and snake ladies. The new models look fantastic and it feels like an AoS army from the previews. Not an entirely new faction unfortunately like the Overlords but something closer to Iron Jawz & Sylvaneth which outside of the GHB2 changes to Iron Jawz, is a great thing.
Several Tzeentch boxes actually had price increases when their Battletome was released.
Hulksmash wrote: You're being either deliberately obtuse or your missing the actual point. If the rebox accompanies a new battle tome then it generally gets a discount. Stormcast followed the updated stormcast book, Seraphon happened with their release, orgres with theirs, iron jaws with theirs, and dryads with theirs. If you notice a trend it's the reboxed battleline "for battle tome release" that tends to happen. Every thing you listed as reboxed but not bumped in size isn't for a new a book.
Honestly, this would be a good opportunity for them to go 20 for $63 or something similar as that would bring the prices closer to inline with the current battle line options for released books of the same point value. Personally I hope they do. I could easily see wanting to field 2-3 20-30 man units of daughters infantry alongside the harpies and snake ladies. The new models look fantastic and it feels like an AoS army from the previews. Not an entirely new faction unfortunately like the Overlords but something closer to Iron Jawz & Sylvaneth which outside of the GHB2 changes to Iron Jawz, is a great thing.
Several Tzeentch boxes actually had price increases when their Battletome was released.
Hulksmash wrote: Not an entirely new faction unfortunately like the Overlords but something closer to Iron Jawz & Sylvaneth which outside of the GHB2 changes to Iron Jawz, is a great thing.
The Ironjawz/Sylvaneth style update is my favorite method. It allows people to use their old legacy armies while still giving them new toys. I'd love to see this continue with other legacy factions!
Mine too. I really like it when they can implement it in a cool way like they seem to have done. We'll see if this slots in well with the other two that way.
@Ghaz
Was that flamers and screamers? I think that was a fault of the Start Collecting which is why it's been an outlier so far. Tzeentch daemons didn't have a "big" unit like khorne and nurgle and they didn't have a combine two chariots to make this model like Tzeentch. So that left them either bumping the prices on two units they've probably sold tons of already and which aren't super popular choices anyway and putting them in the bundle or dropping one choice to add another pink set or putting in their new blue and brim set which they wouldn't do. Tzeentch suffered because they were already reasonable and didn't have a big unit that was overpriced.
I showed my wife these. Or tried to. She already subscribed to GW’s mailing list, so saw them before I could show her myself, and she loved them. Followed by “oh...I love you too” as an add-on. I wonder how many of these will be entering our apt...
Boss Salvage wrote:1) AOS is probably the only place I'm really going to use an army of snake chicks, especially one that transmogrifies into an enormous snake monster. I can't think of a great KOW port right now (though Twilight Kin is being reworked and I'm pretty great at finding rules for minis).
- Salvage
The fallen, for Varangur.
EnTyme wrote:Yep. Totally fielding these ladies as the Slaanesh cult in my Chaos army. I'm sure that'll go against GW's fluff, but in my mind, they're heretical Slaanesh worshippers.
I foynd that a simple head swap and the right skin tone made the elves on the shrine into decent heralds of Slaanesh, so you could turn them into daemonettes.
I wonder if this means that there will be Stormcast warmachines? Sure, you could bring allies, but it is a bit weird that the Ordinator has two abilities that affect warmachines, while his own faction doesn't have any.
Crimson wrote: I wonder if this means that there will be Stormcast warmachines? Sure, you could bring allies, but it is a bit weird that the Ordinator has two abilities that affect warmachines, while his own faction doesn't have any.
Well, the fluff is that he leads work gangs of Dispossessed and Freeguild and builds fortifications/the great cities.
Vorian wrote: The great Warqueen makes the stuff behind her look terrible
Yeah... At least they didn't use the old marauders. I really want new marauder models with Darkoath aesthetic. That would finally make me start a chaos army.
Hulksmash wrote:I dislike the move toward the models and units "wholly within" for aura's and abilities.
I prefer it this way in most cases. It prevents those weird conga line formations.
Crimson wrote:
Vorian wrote: The great Warqueen makes the stuff behind her look terrible
Yeah... At least they didn't use the old marauders. I really want new marauder models with Darkoath aesthetic. That would finally make me start a chaos army.
Not that they couldn't be improved, but I think I'm the only person who actually likes the marauder models.
Nah, I like the barbarians, too. You just have to remodel the shoulders to properly line up muscles and you have a very nice old style miniature. The WoC are great, too. Killing machines without unneeded trimmings. The chaos knights are already a bit busy and lets not talk about Varanguard. The styles don't mix well, though, so a line of updated barbs as Darkoath dudes would rock...if priced like Kairics at worst.
But those elves...they're so good. Probably so expensive that I won't be tempted. Right?!
Managed to find myself another Blood Coven box. Gods, I'm so in. I'm so excited for this release and we don't even have any idea about the release date
Galas wrote: And is not like she has that much armour.
Eh, having helmet, big metal shield, and vambraces would make her far better protected than Stormcast guy is, given his naked head and arms, and vastly better protected than the other two t-shirt clad clowns. Especially if she is supposed to be a 'duelist' type and actively use said shield/axe for defense (something Stormcast can't really do as parrying with hammer, especially so laughably big, is next to impossible). 3+ might be going too far but IMO she should have either 4+ or mechanism to dodge rend modifiers, at least.
She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+. A Stormcast Paladin has a 4+ save! Dwarf Thunderers and Warriors have a 5+! The ghost has that armour save because hes a ghost, it doesn't represent armour, it represent how hard he his to hit, thats why he ignores rend.
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman. The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
But they are saying this Warscrols are fake. So lets see.
I'm really liking Morathi, could even be a conversion project for a female Archon for 40K
I'm thinking the same thing.
Looks promising, but I think some people will freak out soon. Think she is in lobster claw boots which is a very John Blanche touch.
Excited for this release as I was expecting just a new tome with no new models. Gorgon girls is a fun addition and matches old Dark Elf imagery. There were a couple banners with gorgons imagery in the 4th ed books I recall.
Yodhrin wrote: Wait those are Harpies? I thought they were just "because it's ultra-high fantasy now" Elves with wings. Yeah, not as appealing in that case
Galas wrote: She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+. A Stormcast Paladin has a 4+ save! Dwarf Thunderers and Warriors have a 5+! The ghost has that armour save because hes a ghost, it doesn't represent armour, it represent how hard he his to hit, thats why he ignores rend.
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman. The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
But they are saying this Warscrols are fake. So lets see.
No one is saying Herald warscrolls are fake, they’re talking about the Death ones. Based on one angry dude posting on Facebook. It’s very unlikely that they actually are fake.
I was halfway through a reply about how, if they were fake, they were exceptionally well done, but actually there are some curiosities: for example, damage tables on the Maggotkin warscrolls use "Wounds allocated" instead of the old "Wounds suffered" terminology that appears on these. But, that said, elsewhere they do use the more precise style AoS has adopted since 40K dropped (like using " roll of n+" instead of "n or more" etc.). "SUMMONABLE" as a keyword also sounds kind of...I dunno...dorky too. I'd expect something a bit more thematic - THRALLS or ANIMATES or something, you know?
Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?
Galas wrote: And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.
That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.
If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:
Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?
Galas wrote: And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.
That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.
If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:
Galas wrote: The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
So, naked guy, no shield, no helmet, has same save. QED.
Wait, why you just completely demolished your own argument and not realized how silly everything you wrote before this line sounds?
Personally I think she should have 5+ armor given what she is wearing. Look at stormcast covered in plate getting a 4+. Btw, the slaughterpriest DOES have only a 5+ save and 'completely naked' really isn't true. The 4+ save on exalted deathbringers is based off the initial model rather than the newer ones (but the newer ones should totally have more armor imo). I still think that as a model that's supposed to be a viable general she is too squishy, the runeshield should be a 5+ with the wound-bouncing; it would make her more durable and penalize enemies for attacking her more. And honestly a 4+ armor wouldn't help her much given how often character-sniping uses mortal wounds to do so.
Also, an arrow through the arm won't kill you, an arrow through the gut certainly will. Just throwing that out there.
His Master's Voice wrote: Arguing over the comparative defensive parameters of a steel bra and a six pack. Good stuff, good stuff.
Clearly the six-pack provides better defensive parameters, feth straker has a 3+ save just for his deliciously oiled abs.
Like the model ever had anything to do with the armor save. What a stupid waste of time. If you have enough time to whine about THIS you should get a job hippie.
The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.
I’m really loving those Daughters Of Khaine, the winged harpy-looking one is pretty close to perfect. I appreciate the lack of boobplate - the raised ridge is a good compromise from a completely flat plate to a silly full boobplate.
Verviedi wrote: The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.
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Indeed.
One wouldn't put too much store with regards to actual non magical examples and so forth.
Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?
Galas wrote: And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.
That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.
If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:
Galas wrote: The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
So, naked guy, no shield, no helmet, has same save. QED.
Wait, why you just completely demolished your own argument and not realized how silly everything you wrote before this line sounds?
Personally I think she should have 5+ armor given what she is wearing. Look at stormcast covered in plate getting a 4+. Btw, the slaughterpriest DOES have only a 5+ save and 'completely naked' really isn't true. The 4+ save on exalted deathbringers is based off the initial model rather than the newer ones (but the newer ones should totally have more armor imo). I still think that as a model that's supposed to be a viable general she is too squishy, the runeshield should be a 5+ with the wound-bouncing; it would make her more durable and penalize enemies for attacking her more. And honestly a 4+ armor wouldn't help her much given how often character-sniping uses mortal wounds to do so.
Also, an arrow through the arm won't kill you, an arrow through the gut certainly will. Just throwing that out there.
Could you please just put long quotes in a spoiler, like this. We've all seen what you're quoting a few times now.
Verviedi wrote: The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.
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Indeed.
One wouldn't put too much store with regards to actual non magical examples and so forth.
It's just toy soldiers.
But, mayhaps take it to a 'discussion' thread, instead?
The Skullvane Manse is going to be very tempting. It would look really good looming over a few Gardens of Morr and spooky woods. Fingers crossed for the oop towers to make a comeback as well.
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
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I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
Wow, that Kharadron set is... kind of meh. I expected an Arknaught Company since they're the core of the army. Also disappointing to see a Gunhauler as the centrepiece, rather than a Frigate but I guess Kharadron's don't sell as poorly as Fyreslayers and their Magmadroth.
Yeah, let's be realistic here. The Overlords is amazing if you want the models if it's a start collecting and $85 as it's $155 (Endrinmaster, Gunhauler, Balloon Dudes, and Thunderers) regular for stuff in the box.The Vanguard also at for what appears to be around $155 (Hunters, Hounds, Aquilor, and Palladors). And that box is all awesome stuff for someone who is leaning that direction for stormcast or who want to essentially add one of all the vanguard units in a single go at a significant discount.
That's assuming they are both for $85 and not $100 like the some of the more recent rando sets.
Goddamn. I don't need another Lord-Aquilor(I have 3 of them at the moment) or more Gryph-Hounds(I have 34 at the moment)...but I want more Palladors and Hunters.
They've stated in the past that Start Collectings are going to stay static at their current price point.
Chopstick wrote: Was expecting Neave Blacktalon to lead the band in the SC Vanguard box.
Why?
Horticulous got released solo. She's slated to get a solo release too--but not for awhile. It'll probably be whenever the novel/novella about her gets released.
It's kind of sad but right now there are only two hero options for a Vanguard player. Lord-Aquilors and Naeve Blacktalon, and Naeve locks you into playing Hammers of Sigmar.
Hopefully we'll get a generic Knight-Zephyros(Naeve is supposedly "the first" of them) soon, and hopefully it'll come as a double kit with another Knight variant that would be a ranged assassin instead of a CC monster like Naeve and the Zephyros are supposed to be.
Kanluwen wrote: Goddamn. I don't need another Lord-Aquilor(I have 3 of them at the moment) or more Gryph-Hounds(I have 34 at the moment)...but I want more Palladors and Hunters.
They've stated in the past that Start Collectings are going to stay static at their current price point.
Since blightwar came out you can buy palladors for like 20$ on ebay, and hunters for a nickle since not very many people want them.
Chopstick wrote: Was expecting Neave Blacktalon to lead the band in the SC Vanguard box.
Why?
Horticulous got released solo. She's slated to get a solo release too--but not for awhile. It'll probably be whenever the novel/novella about her gets released.
It's kind of sad but right now there are only two hero options for a Vanguard player. Lord-Aquilors and Naeve Blacktalon, and Naeve locks you into playing Hammers of Sigmar.
Hopefully we'll get a generic Knight-Zephyros(Naeve is supposedly "the first" of them) soon, and hopefully it'll come as a double kit with another Knight variant that would be a ranged assassin instead of a CC monster like Naeve and the Zephyros are supposed to be.
'Locking' into Hammers of Sigmar isn't like it would be in 40k, it doesn't do anything, it isn't a keyword, and there's no restrictions that result. Would still be better if she were generic. As a sidenote I wish they would stop releasing new character warscrolls and instead do them as alternate builds, like Slaughterpriests or Exalted Deathbringers. The Lord-Ordinator could have been a new equipment option for the Castellent, and even more obviously the named shield dude (who will never get used since he is named) should have just been a different Celestant option.
Mhm, those SCs are tasty if you have zero of the minis included The Stormcasts I'll mostly have once I buy Blight Wars, but I'll get the Kharadron one sometime. Palladors are 30€ on ebay from a quick search, so the SC would still be okay if you want the rest.
Sooo, in other news, Overlords took how long to get a SC? Maybe next year I can get a Daughters of Khaine SC, eh? Drool.
Chopstick wrote: Was expecting Neave Blacktalon to lead the band in the SC Vanguard box.
Why?
Horticulous got released solo. She's slated to get a solo release too--but not for awhile. It'll probably be whenever the novel/novella about her gets released.
It's kind of sad but right now there are only two hero options for a Vanguard player. Lord-Aquilors and Naeve Blacktalon, and Naeve locks you into playing Hammers of Sigmar.
Hopefully we'll get a generic Knight-Zephyros(Naeve is supposedly "the first" of them) soon, and hopefully it'll come as a double kit with another Knight variant that would be a ranged assassin instead of a CC monster like Naeve and the Zephyros are supposed to be.
For the Neave thing. 1. Hammers of Sigmar only have rules if you pay 400pts in battalions to get them, which no-one does. In 40k it would be a bit of a problem because of buff auras and special characters but not in Sigmar And 2. If you're worried about painting her blue and gold, don't be. Do you know how many red/black/grey/rainbow guillamen I've seen on the table since he came out? Or how many allarielles painted all winterized?
Paint her however you want her to look. No one will care.
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
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I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
---
I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
---
I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
We got a Christmas battle force for them. I would assume that's good enough for GW until the next round of start collecting boxes comes around.
Trapped somewhere between the Realms, Slaanesh has also had an insight into the dark future that could await the Mortal Realms, and is deliciously tormented by what the visions foretell – for one, it would make escape that much more difficult, and for another, the dominion of Death would just be unbearably dull.
Who will be the first to spin this as the squatting of Slaanesh?
Trapped somewhere between the Realms, Slaanesh has also had an insight into the dark future that could await the Mortal Realms, and is deliciously tormented by what the visions foretell – for one, it would make escape that much more difficult, and for another, the dominion of Death would just be unbearably dull.
Who will be the first to spin this as the squatting of Slaanesh?
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
---
I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
We got a Christmas battle force for them. I would assume that's good enough for GW until the next round of start collecting boxes comes around.
So did the Kharadron and Vanguard Chamber. It's just disappointing that we aren't getting one yet.
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
---
I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
We got a Christmas battle force for them. I would assume that's good enough for GW until the next round of start collecting boxes comes around.
So did the Kharadron and Vanguard Chamber. It's just disappointing that we aren't getting one yet.
Who says we're not?
If I had to guess though, it might be coming with Thousand Sons.
I'd guess:
1x Tzaangor Shaman
1x box of Tzaangors
1x box of Skyfires
Trapped somewhere between the Realms, Slaanesh has also had an insight into the dark future that could await the Mortal Realms, and is deliciously tormented by what the visions foretell – for one, it would make escape that much more difficult, and for another, the dominion of Death would just be unbearably dull.
Who will be the first to spin this as the squatting of Slaanesh?
you just did
Humbug! Slander! Propaganda! I'm just fulfilling my journalistic duties!
2 nouvelles SCle 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard
Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?
No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !
That's really cool.
---
I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)
I completely missed the new SCs (realizing how long it's been since I took French)! Disappointing that we aren't getting a Tzeentch Arcanites SC, though.
We got a Christmas battle force for them. I would assume that's good enough for GW until the next round of start collecting boxes comes around.
So did the Kharadron and Vanguard Chamber. It's just disappointing that we aren't getting one yet.
Well, yeah. I'm not saying it's not disappointing (for those who like Tzeentch). Just guessing as to why it went down the way it did. Of those three armies, I would put Tzeentch down as the one that's the least priority for GW. They obviously want to sell Sigmarines and while people have been pretty positive about the Tzeentch models, I think the dwarfs received more attention overall. That's just my impression, though. I look at the Start Collecting boxes as filler and assume they just don't want to release too many at the same time.
Well, yeah. I'm not saying it's not disappointing (for those who like Tzeentch). Just guessing as to why it went down the way it did. Of those three armies, I would put Tzeentch down as the one that's the least priority for GW. They obviously want to sell Sigmarines and while people have been pretty positive about the Tzeentch models, I think the dwarfs received more attention overall. That's just my impression, though. I look at the Start Collecting boxes as filler and assume they just don't want to release too many at the same time.
But of course, who knows with GW?
The issue with your theory is that Vanguard Stormcast? They're effectively treated as a 'separate army' at this point. They're in the same book as regular Stormcast, but their range and numbers required is way different to a normal Stormcast army. They're also considered fairly expensive in terms of cash for what they are. I know that I had a really hard time finding someone willing to split a Blight Wars with me so I could get the Vanguard half(before the big Vanguard box came out). Previous starter sets or things of that nature? I've been able to split multiple boxes with people and build entire damn armies. Nobody wanted to go in on this one since they all wanted to grab the Vanguard half as well since it was discounted.
It's also hilarious that they have put Gryph-Hounds into both bundle boxes for the Vanguard when they can't even take Gryph-Hounds as part of their Path to Glory rolls.
I love how pretty much everyone has enormous stakes and it's all important, glorious and epic! ... and then you read Ironjawz's:
The Ironjawz, Greenskinz and Grots
The lads are very excited. All the ‘umies look like they’re preparing for a Waaagh! or somethin’ – and according to the Fungoid Cave-Shamans (and who’d doubt them?) they all seem to be headed to the same place to fight it out against the dead. This is going to be the best scrap since the Realmgate Wars! Hopefully, even Gordrakk shows up!
Well, yeah. I'm not saying it's not disappointing (for those who like Tzeentch). Just guessing as to why it went down the way it did. Of those three armies, I would put Tzeentch down as the one that's the least priority for GW. They obviously want to sell Sigmarines and while people have been pretty positive about the Tzeentch models, I think the dwarfs received more attention overall. That's just my impression, though. I look at the Start Collecting boxes as filler and assume they just don't want to release too many at the same time.
But of course, who knows with GW?
The issue with your theory is that Vanguard Stormcast? They're effectively treated as a 'separate army' at this point. They're in the same book as regular Stormcast, but their range and numbers required is way different to a normal Stormcast army. They're also considered fairly expensive in terms of cash for what they are. I know that I had a really hard time finding someone willing to split a Blight Wars with me so I could get the Vanguard half(before the big Vanguard box came out). Previous starter sets or things of that nature? I've been able to split multiple boxes with people and build entire damn armies. Nobody wanted to go in on this one since they all wanted to grab the Vanguard half as well since it was discounted.
It's also hilarious that they have put Gryph-Hounds into both bundle boxes for the Vanguard when they can't even take Gryph-Hounds as part of their Path to Glory rolls.
As it stands, I really am thinking that the reason for no Arcanites box yet is to tie it in with the Thousand Sons release.
I'm going to revise my guess a bit as well.
1x Shaman
2x Tzaangors boxes
1x Mutalith Vortex
Ultramarines and Space Wolves, Sigmarines and sneaky Sigmarines - all the same to me. It's GW's darlings and they want to sell them above anything else. That's my perspective. You may have a valid point about organization and perceived value on part of the customers, but none of that enters my equation.
When do you expect that box to tie in with Thousand Sons? They get a codex in a couple of days and that's that release. That's all the support I'd expect them to get, just like every other book only codex. If there was a time for a Tzeentch start collection, it's now.
I love how pretty much everyone has enormous stakes and it's all important, glorious and epic! ... and then you read Ironjawz's:
The Ironjawz, Greenskinz and Grots
The lads are very excited. All the ‘umies look like they’re preparing for a Waaagh! or somethin’ – and according to the Fungoid Cave-Shamans (and who’d doubt them?) they all seem to be headed to the same place to fight it out against the dead. This is going to be the best scrap since the Realmgate Wars! Hopefully, even Gordrakk shows up!
It's a shame there was no mention of Morathi or the Daughters there. Obviously a couple more months to go before a release if they're not getting directly tied into the event yet.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It's a shame there was no mention of Morathi or the Daughters there. Obviously a couple more months to go before a release if they're not getting directly tied into the event yet.
They're an order faction. They'll be out in march.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It's a shame there was no mention of Morathi or the Daughters there. Obviously a couple more months to go before a release if they're not getting directly tied into the event yet.
Considering what happend in the "watchers" videos I suspect Morathi knows more than most about what Nagash is up to. She's probably biding her time so she can arrive at the best moment to earn the gratitude of the other Order factions.
Yeah, but stories like these (and the chaos spanking in 40K) make you think what is really the point of mortal normal men in both settings. If a vast mobile fort that supposedly crushes armies of chaos like chaff can be effortlessly destroyed by a single undead despite having spellcasters of their own aboard for protection, why bother? Yes, yes, I know TT =/= Fluff, but how hard writing fluffy pieces that match game a bit more closely and don't make half of the armies in the game look pathetic can be?
Also, I am the only one that finds the fact that somehow no one was around the boilers and doors in order for the crew to to suddenly and dramatically find them rusted through kind of dumb?
Yeah, but stories like these (and the chaos spanking in 40K) make you think what is really the point of mortal normal men in both settings. If a vast mobile fort that supposedly crushes armies of chaos like chaff can be effortlessly destroyed by a single undead despite having spellcasters of their own aboard for protection, why bother? Yes, yes, I know TT =/= Fluff, but how hard writing fluffy pieces that match game a bit more closely and don't make half of the armies in the game look pathetic can be?
Also, I am the only one that finds the fact that somehow no one was around the boilers and doors in order for the crew to to suddenly and dramatically find them rusted through kind of dumb?
It was sudden because it's magic and of course they had people around. How else do you think they found out what had happened?
From what I gather the fort was stationary, thus there was no need for people in the boilers room, as "normally" they would be either unlit or kept at the lowest temperatue possible, since the Cogfort wasn't moving.
Regarding the fact a single undead was able to vanquish a whole fort, well, I'd say the fact they were a mile from a Realmgate would have been reason for that.
If the wind of death itself was flowing from that realmgate it'd surely be enough to age the metal and the crew of the fort.
Let's remember one of the old spells Vampire Counts had was more or less an accelerated aging, which if I reckon was used against askaven by a Strigoi, and it caused the assassin to age of decades in few seconds. It's not that weird to assume that the effect of the wind was the same, and that the undead was simply an herald or messenger of Nagash.
*Crosses fingers for impractically vast cogfort model one day in the future*
Oh YES ! This story was awesome, building on fluff from WHQ : Shadow Over Hammerhal and Firestorm. Really good.
Also - we don't know yet if this "Death gale" they mention isn't a tabletop-usable abilitiy from the Malign Portents book (like a 40k Stratagem or something). It's really cool.
Anyway I can't wait next week to get my hands on LoN and MP !
Yeah, but stories like these (and the chaos spanking in 40K) make you think what is really the point of mortal normal men in both settings. If a vast mobile fort that supposedly crushes armies of chaos like chaff can be effortlessly destroyed by a single undead despite having spellcasters of their own aboard for protection, why bother? Yes, yes, I know TT =/= Fluff, but how hard writing fluffy pieces that match game a bit more closely and don't make half of the armies in the game look pathetic can be?
Also, I am the only one that finds the fact that somehow no one was around the boilers and doors in order for the crew to to suddenly and dramatically find them rusted through kind of dumb?
It was sudden because it's magic and of course they had people around. How else do you think they found out what had happened?
"Because its magic" is basically the rationale in the absolute worst written sci-fi/fantasy books. It's been said countless times across history but internal consistency is the most important thing in these settings. Without that all you have are comic books, which I guess some people enjoy but wasn't what GW fluff was modeled after.
Yeah, but stories like these (and the chaos spanking in 40K) make you think what is really the point of mortal normal men in both settings. If a vast mobile fort that supposedly crushes armies of chaos like chaff can be effortlessly destroyed by a single undead despite having spellcasters of their own aboard for protection, why bother? Yes, yes, I know TT =/= Fluff, but how hard writing fluffy pieces that match game a bit more closely and don't make half of the armies in the game look pathetic can be?
Also, I am the only one that finds the fact that somehow no one was around the boilers and doors in order for the crew to to suddenly and dramatically find them rusted through kind of dumb?
It was sudden because it's magic and of course they had people around. How else do you think they found out what had happened?
"Because its magic" is basically the rationale in the absolute worst written sci-fi/fantasy books. It's been said countless times across history but internal consistency is the most important thing in these settings. Without that all you have are comic books, which I guess some people enjoy but wasn't what GW fluff was modeled after.
It was literally magic that caused the accelerated rusting and filled the boilers with ash.
Death is getting two magical lores, which is nice because thus Nagash can use his full allotment of spells without choking the other guys' output too much.
Kanluwen wrote: With the mention of "Gravesites" in that article...I wonder if that's what the gibbets/gallows-ish preview we got today for the Rumor Engine is?
I could see them adding a small little $30 "Gravesite" thing like the Gnarlmaws that Maggotkin just got.
Its certainly possible. Although if it is something that requires a model its IMO more likely that it will be a new use for the Garden of Morr or some of its components. Just like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood and the Citadel wood.
Yeah, but stories like these (and the chaos spanking in 40K) make you think what is really the point of mortal normal men in both settings. If a vast mobile fort that supposedly crushes armies of chaos like chaff can be effortlessly destroyed by a single undead despite having spellcasters of their own aboard for protection, why bother? Yes, yes, I know TT =/= Fluff, but how hard writing fluffy pieces that match game a bit more closely and don't make half of the armies in the game look pathetic can be?
Also, I am the only one that finds the fact that somehow no one was around the boilers and doors in order for the crew to to suddenly and dramatically find them rusted through kind of dumb?
It was sudden because it's magic and of course they had people around. How else do you think they found out what had happened?
"Because its magic" is basically the rationale in the absolute worst written sci-fi/fantasy books. It's been said countless times across history but internal consistency is the most important thing in these settings. Without that all you have are comic books, which I guess some people enjoy but wasn't what GW fluff was modeled after.
...are you in the wrong forum or what? Like...this is Sigmar, magic is pretty mundane in Sigmar and the faction of death and decay having magic that makes death and decay happen faster seems pretty internally consistent to me.
Chopstick wrote: The 35US$ price really turn me away from buying any of the Harbinger. Feel like i'm paying extra 5-10$ for the extra large box.
It's the same price as every other single-sprue named model released in the last three years. How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? And if you're planning on saying "doesn't mean I have to like it", it also doesn't mean you have to buy it, nor does it mean you have to post this same comment after every single-sprue named model is announced at $35.
I like 3/4 of them. Wish there was a bundle for all of them that saved me the cost of 1.5 or something Oh well. I'll definitely get the warqueen (cause pretty) and the death dude (cause awesome).
Hulksmash wrote: I like 3/4 of them. Wish there was a bundle for all of them that saved me the cost of 1.5 or something Oh well. I'll definitely get the warqueen (cause pretty) and the death dude (cause awesome).
Pretty much the same exact reasons for the same exact models. The Goblin will be because I have Ironjawz, so, might as well
Kanluwen wrote: With the mention of "Gravesites" in that article...I wonder if that's what the gibbets/gallows-ish preview we got today for the Rumor Engine is?
I could see them adding a small little $30 "Gravesite" thing like the Gnarlmaws that Maggotkin just got.
Its certainly possible. Although if it is something that requires a model its IMO more likely that it will be a new use for the Garden of Morr or some of its components. Just like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood and the Citadel wood.
While I really hope there is a cool set of Gravesites coming, the new WD has the description for the Warscroll cards for LoN which contain cardboard coffin tokens to mark Gravesites. So realistically, I'm not expecting anything.
Chopstick wrote: The 35US$ price really turn me away from buying any of the Harbinger. Feel like i'm paying extra 5-10$ for the extra large box.
It's the same price as every other single-sprue named model released in the last three years. How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? And if you're planning on saying "doesn't mean I have to like it", it also doesn't mean you have to buy it, nor does it mean you have to post this same comment after every single-sprue named model is announced at $35.
As it stands, I really am thinking that the reason for no Arcanites box yet is to tie it in with the Thousand Sons release.
I'm going to revise my guess a bit as well.
1x Shaman
2x Tzaangors boxes
1x Mutalith Vortex
Shaman, Skyfires, Tzaangors and it's a minimum one box probably at least 2 from me. This box I don't think I'd even get the one. Fingers crossed your first guess was on the money!
It's strange reading the complaints about the offer story. The spell was curse of years, ripped straight out of the game. The figure on the steed was probably Arkhan the black (curse of years is his spell), a character more than powerful enough to destroy a cog fort.
I hope these stories continue all year. I have really been enjoying them.
Chopstick wrote: The 35US$ price really turn me away from buying any of the Harbinger. Feel like i'm paying extra 5-10$ for the extra large box.
It's the same price as every other single-sprue named model released in the last three years. How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? And if you're planning on saying "doesn't mean I have to like it", it also doesn't mean you have to buy it, nor does it mean you have to post this same comment after every single-sprue named model is announced at $35.
They're not named. They have a character modeled on the respective miniatures to drive the story, but they are generic characters by their warscrolls.
The Darkoath Chieftain is 20€, released in the last three years on a small character sprue. He even comes with minimal equipment options The Darkoath Queen is 25€. Same sprue size, no options we know of. Clearly the same price for the same thing from the same period.
Chopstick wrote: The 35US$ price really turn me away from buying any of the Harbinger. Feel like i'm paying extra 5-10$ for the extra large box.
It's the same price as every other single-sprue named model released in the last three years. How is this a surprise to anyone at this point? And if you're planning on saying "doesn't mean I have to like it", it also doesn't mean you have to buy it, nor does it mean you have to post this same comment after every single-sprue named model is announced at $35.
They're not named. They have a character modeled on the respective miniatures to drive the story, but they are generic characters by their warscrolls.
The Darkoath Chieftain is 20€, released in the last three years on a small character sprue. He even comes with minimal equipment options The Darkoath Queen is 25€. Same sprue size, no options we know of. Clearly the same price for the same thing from the same period.
Ehhh...Vandus Hammerhand and Kull were done the same way.
They're intended to be special characters by their sculpts and lack of options but they've just released them as generics so they can keep being used afterwards.
Does the Black Gem affect the bearer as he/she are a unit within 3" of the bearer?
Gravesites seem to be a thing like the Nurgle Trees. Ah ignore that just read yesterdays
Every Legions of Nagash army gets to place four gravesites on the table – two in their territory and two in the enemy’s. Summonable units can be set up to emerge from these gravesites later in the game, and they have a similar effect to Deathly Invocation, healing nearby units.
Kanluwen wrote: I think that the use of the Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon is a great one.
Shame that Blood Knights are still prohibitively expensive.
It really is. And I highly doubt we get a vampire model with LoN.
I had hoped for a Soulblight Battletome with Vampire foot soldiers, new Blood Knights, Vampire Bats, maybe human slaves.
Book so far seems good for everyone but the vampires. Its obvious they were not going to give us soldiers or able to ally humans in as controlled slaves, but its what that subfaction needed. Pure Vampire force. Elite, deadly, low model count.
Best case is a character makes blood knights battleline, or some special rule lets it happen. Id then at least consider a pure vamp force. Just would use third party knights or procure them another way then the insane 100 for 5 price still. Especially since its terrible finecast
Kanluwen wrote: I think that the use of the Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon is a great one.
Shame that Blood Knights are still prohibitively expensive.
It really is. And I highly doubt we get a vampire model with LoN.
I had hoped for a Soulblight Battletome with Vampire foot soldiers, new Blood Knights, Vampire Bats, maybe human slaves.
Honestly, all we need is for the Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon to get a set of standing legs on a sprue and we'd be golden for that. It'd be like the Magmadroth; which can be three characters if done right(build the Runeson or Runefather on the Magmadroth, build the other on foot, Runesmiter goes on foot as well) and we'd have a use for those leftover bits!
nels1031 wrote: I can’t believe they are still pushing the old zombie kit. Put that boxed set out to pasture, regardless of the lack of a current replacement.
Yeah the corpse cart looks good but that old zombie kit has not aged too well. That was from a time before they were going crazy with CAD design. Even the Eldar Guardians have aged better and that kit is getting old as hell.
Interesting new unit for Soulblight - coven throne variant
For some Soulblight vampires, the consumption of blood becomes more than an unnatural imperative, but an obsession that dominates every moment of their existence. Seated upon the macabre luxury of a Bloodseeker Palanquin, these Sanguinarchs direct their spectral bearers into the fray, enjoying the orchestra of screams unleashed by the banshees bound to her conveyance. The brew that a Bloodseeker Palanquin bears to the battlefield is intoxicating, and the Soulblight vampires affected by it fall upon the foe in an orgy of slaughter that stains the ground a deep crimson.The Bloodseeker Palanquin is a huge model that possesses a lower half of pure ethereal madness. Ghostly, and occasionally armoured, tendrils stretch upward at an angle, at the head of which are skeletal riders on armoured horses. At the centre of the model stands the sinister, cloaked Sanguinarch, who is surrounded by a swarm of howling Banshees. The kit is bedecked with a mind-boggling range of features, from lanterns to skeletons, to ghostly winds, decadent cushions and magical flames.
Well just killed my wallet for a bit. Both books, the 4 heralds, the dice and 2 boxes of the blood coven for the daughters. Rest well my credit account.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Well just killed my wallet for a bit. Both books, the 4 heralds, the dice and 2 boxes of the blood coven for the daughters. Rest well my credit account.
Guess I'll just have to hold my nerve then.
*rolls*
*fails*
*orders box*
......Damn it
Edit:- Reading the tale of four warlords in this months WD(and re reading last months) its kinda funny how cagey the DoK player is about his expansion plans and background ideas
Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!
Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).
I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....
The cost of the Nagash Book and the Malignen Portent books are all right.
The champions are overpriced, yeah, but... like all special characters. I'lll buy the Darkoath queen because is beautifull, but nothing more from this release. The Spanish Battletome is 20€ for a Softback of 93 pages instead of 32,5€ for the hardback english one with 123 pages. A shame because before the Spanish version was released in a cheaper softback but with the same number of pages, but now the spanish and italic version come without all the new background.
The digital version of the Malign Portents book is just £10. Having their digital noticeably cheaper than physical is a very good step by gw and somewhat balances out the price of the minis. I think I will just get the goblin for now. He really is an amazing figure.
455_PWR wrote: Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!
Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).
I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....
They've been getting better (or at least not getting worse) on prices everywhere except single-sprue characters it seems.
Jesus Christ, I wanted to buy the warqueen just for gaks and giggles but at $35 that's probably not gonna happen. Even if I played AoS that would be hard to swallow for a single infantry-sized character.
I dunno, might change my mind later but that gave me sticker shock pretty hard. Even the fething goblin is $35 so I'm pretty sure it isn't because it's a larger model, either.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer me this. Will there be an update for Skirmish and Path to Glory formats? I'd be nice, if I could use new DoK in those two formats.
Knight wrote: Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer me this. Will there be an update for Skirmish and Path to Glory formats? I'd be nice, if I could use new DoK in those two formats.
The army book should have Path to Glory Warband setups in it. Most army books these days have updated Path to Glory campaign stuff in them.
Skirmish seemingly doesn't get much love, but you can really 'make your own' Skirmish lists since you take the Points Cost and divide it by 5 to get the Skirmish cost.
Wow. I really wanted to get the Warqueen so my wife could have a woman to lead some Chaos forces, but despite how people are going to defend it, $35 is too much for a single figure, even if this has been an established price for special characters for a couple of years now.
I refuse to spend as much on a Darkoath Warqueen as a trio of easy-build Primaris Aggressors who are EACH 30% bigger.
455_PWR wrote: Holy hell... just saw the prices of the preorders. The four champions each cost as much as what i paid for the custodes codex, with shipping!!
Jeepers, I thought gw was getting better. This is getting crazy compared to cmon kickstarters with boxes of models just as detailed (rising sun, blood rage, b.p., hate, etc... many multipart but preassembled).
I do like the fact they are unfolding the nagash story in aos though. That cost though....
They've been getting better (or at least not getting worse) on prices everywhere except single-sprue characters it seems.
It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters (which is dumb because if there is one range that can rely on volume of sales, it's Space Marines, and the price just caused people to say 'feth this' and to instead convert cheap lieutenants from DI), then same sized Death Guard characters with niche appeal and lower sales were costed much less (despite being harder to convert and having good rules, so if you wanted to overprice anything, it was them). Then the pendulum swung again to overpriced Custodes, again to cheap-ish Marbo and DA/BA lieutenants making you question why the hay the rest of primaris are so expensive, and now is back to overpriced with Portents. The price seems to follow no pattern or sensible logic that anyone was able to divine out somehow...
Eldarain wrote:The Malign Portents book should be pretty affordable given it seems reasonsble on the NZ site.
I woke up yesterday not knowing what was going to be released. I saw they finally released it, and I ordered it from my Local Friendly Gaming store right away. For $30 it's almost an insta buy. If it was 40K it would have been what $50 Canadian but for $30 yeah picked it up just to read and collection even if I don't get to play. Wish the minis were a bit cheaper but we can't have everything eh?
I wish these were the prices for Age of Sigmar from the beginning, I would have a good collection of them. Oh well, I can start now.
It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters
3/4 Primaris Characters are on 2 sprues, only the Chaplain are one 1 sprue, so the 35$ tag is somewhat reasonable. These Harbinger are on single sprue and the only reason that justified their cost is the VERY BIG box that come with them, the extra are from packagin and printing the box.
Indeed. The idea that printing little boxes in the literally industrial scale that GW orders them can put 5-10 quid on the RRP of every single unit is laughable. It would cost pennies, fractions of pennies even.
Fancying-up the packaging at a tiny cost in order to justify a substantial increase in price is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
It's worse, it seems they roll a die what the new character will cost. Last year, we had ridiculously overpriced primaris characters
3/4 Primaris Characters are on 2 sprues, only the Chaplain are one 1 sprue, so the 35$ tag is somewhat reasonable. These Harbinger are on single sprue and the only reason that justified their cost is the VERY BIG box that come with them, the extra are from packagin and printing the box.
The truly odd thing is, the economy of scale should mean the former two cost less, not more. They'll make and sell a lot more generic marine characters than chapter specific marine characters. Just by the odds, the chaplain specifically sells to Codex Generic, BA and DA, rather than the smaller sets of just BA or just DA.
Yes you manage to miss my point completely by bringing up all the 1 sprue primaris release, good observation. I don't even consider the anniversary model to be a character.
As far as all thing goes, I am the first person in this thread voicing my convern about the absurd price of the Harbinger. Days before the pre-order are up.
If you’re concerned about the prices why not co ordinate a group moan on their facebook page? They seem open to feedback and it might curb some of the more excessive pricing over time.
I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).
So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).
So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.
That's likely a factor, yeah. But then they turn around and make kits webstore exclusive and you're stuck giving them crazy money for "poor sellers" like Maggoth Lords and Empire infantry. When Shadespire *teams* cost as much or less than single characters on less or equal amount of sprues with cards and all...it's bananas.
I thought the crazy hero pricing was over when they created Gorechosen to supposedly get rid of Khorne heros and stuck characters into squads as bundles for a while, but no.
Chopstick wrote: Yes you manage to miss my point completely by bringing up all the 1 sprue primaris release, good observation. I don't even consider the anniversary model to be a character.
No, you missed the point. You claimed +50% to price is 'reasonable', somehow, stop moving the goalposts. Do tell us how four nearly identical pieces of plastic warrant huge premium on two of them, we're listening. All are same size, same range, same no-name generic characters. That is Kirby-like pricing.
Even the excuse for the remaining primaris SM, namely two sprues, don't make any sense seeing this is two sprue kit too, from same range, and offers vastly more options than any primaris kit, all while costing less than one-spruers: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Space-Marine-Commander-2015
Voss wrote: The truly odd thing is, the economy of scale should mean the former two cost less, not more. They'll make and sell a lot more generic marine characters than chapter specific marine characters. Just by the odds, the chaplain specifically sells to codex, BA and DA, rather than the smaller sets of just BA or just DA.
It's even funnier than that, while there is small chance vanilla SM players buy DA/BA model for conversion, but similarly sized Death Guard characters (who are useful for one army only, and cannibalize sales of each other seeing there is like 12 of them and no army is going to include more than 3-5 at best) have most reasonable prices of all recent power armour releases...
Me, I'm interested to see if they get rules for Quest. I'd love to unleash a Gobbo off his box on 'Shrooms!
They're getting to the point that they could release an update hero pack with a lot of the new characters models or things that have only been in White Dwarf.
The Heralds, Kharadron Overlords, Slambo, the Celestial Hammers heroes, and I'm sure there's more... maybe some Shadespire teams to pad things out?
Oddly, the Branchwych wasn't in the hero cards pack despite being in the app. I'm definitely hoping we get a "hero cards part 2" at some point. Also adversary cards for Death and Destruction units.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I want to throw out a pet theory. That their current pricing is based around discounters these days so they prices accordingly. With GW's friendliness to 3rd parties growing, obviously more people are going to buy from them rather than direct (I mean who wouldn't with an average of 20% available).
So they price the Harbringers for example at £20, knowing full well that most 3rd parties are going to be selling them around the £15-£16 mark. Probably the price we would have expected and what GW would expect us to pay. But of course if you price it at that, the discounters will then drop it again to around the £12 mark, probably too little for GW. So they expect the bulk to be bought through discounters and anybody who buys them through direct is just a bonus.
That's likely a factor, yeah. But then they turn around and make kits webstore exclusive and you're stuck giving them crazy money for "poor sellers" like Maggoth Lords and Empire infantry. When Shadespire *teams* cost as much or less than single characters on less or equal amount of sprues with cards and all...it's bananas.
They know they're going to be selling all of the Shadespire teams to everyone though. It's the X-Wing mentality since there are new generic cards present in every team box.
Me, I'm interested to see if they get rules for Quest. I'd love to unleash a Gobbo off his box on 'Shrooms!
They're getting to the point that they could release an update hero pack with a lot of the new characters models or things that have only been in White Dwarf.
The Heralds, Kharadron Overlords, Slambo, the Celestial Hammers heroes, and I'm sure there's more... maybe some Shadespire teams to pad things out?
I could go for an annual update.
No harm in having spares of stuff one already has!
Ok so will this passage from malign portents finally crush the slaanesh meme and get people to accept it's a storyline like I have been saying for the last 2 and a half years?
shinros wrote: Ok so will this passage from malign portents finally crush the slaanesh meme and get people to accept it's a storyline like I have been saying for the last 2 and a half years?
Hmmm 2 and a half years of nothing versus a couple of paragraphs still think the purple perverts might be reading too much into it.
On a serious note I noticed that pp's don't show the box following this one. It is the horned rat plotting but noticing that somone else who wants godhood is coming and that there not replacing him.
So which God is getting replaced bound to be one of the ones with a full new range obviously
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh or maybe between the new guy, Morathi and having to escape , Slannesh becomes changed and the chaos God of beige or something other than the God of little plastic boobies.
shinros wrote: Ok so will this passage from malign portents finally crush the slaanesh meme and get people to accept it's a storyline like I have been saying for the last 2 and a half years?
Hmmm 2 and a half years of nothing versus a couple of paragraphs still think the purple perverts might be reading too much into it.
On a serious note I noticed that pp's don't show the box following this one. It is the horned rat plotting but noticing that somone else who wants godhood is coming and that there not replacing him.
So which God is getting replaced bound to be one of the ones with a full new range obviously
It has not been 2 and a half years of nothing that's the thing if people actually follow the narrative from the start instead of reading random comments by doomsayers and those who have barely read anything. Slaanesh has gotten several short stories and mentions in several battletomes dealing with chaos and is the main antagonist in the warhammer quest hammerhal that pretty much shows slaanesh is still playing the great game. Plus releasing a start collecting daemons box along with giving them tide over rules in the general handbook 2017 along with GW also starting in a Q&A that we are going to start seeing the narrative for slaanesh in 2018.
Also even in AOS they are not shying away from those aspects either. These images are from the AOS main campaign books. What do we see? Boobs. Now that's only one aspect of slaanesh but those saying that GW are trying to "save the kids" are also spreading a false narrative.
I sure hope Slaanesh gets a kit that copies the brilliance of the Lord on demonic mount the same way Blight Kings and Blight Lords copied the Lord of Plagues and Harbinger. It's one of the few 10/10 models for me. If we don't get such a kit the new Gorgons will make a solid base for Chosen or knights I guess, but look at that Lord. Who wouldn't want an army of his/her mini-mes?
Legions of Nagash also talks about Slaanesh and interestingly that Nagash himself is really ticked off that the Aelf gods nicked their own races souls back when they captured Slaanesh.
Although its also said that he would not have been sure but Morathi syphoned some off for her own purposes - which we know now are the Daughters of Khaine.
Bared breasts are also a theme with the Medusae models - its not just Slaanesh.
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Start Collecting Vanguard and Kharadon next week, along with Naeve Blacktalon solo.
Anyone who's wanting to run Vanguard, I'd highly suggest splitting a Blight Wars with a Nurgle player and then also snagging the Start Collecting set. It's some good value there.
So I got the Malign portents book in the god reaction section to the chaos gods the horned rat is also there. One I love his reaction? Because he himself utterly annihilates the meme that he replaced slaanesh.
The Great Horned Rat crawled between the hidden places of the void, his thirteen sky-scratching whiskers twitching as he stared down at the teeming multitudes of Blight City. Their endeavours were pleasing to him, as they had always been. So many, now, it was hard even him to keep track. Let the four take the brunt of the god-king's resurgence.(This line totally kills the meme that the horned rat replaced slaanesh thank god.) The myriad swarm would continue to grow more powerful in the corners of each realm, burrowing through time and space to make ready for the great upheaval even as he fellow dark gods and the Pantheon of order expended their strength.
When the time was right, he would turn the Mortal Realms to blighted wastelands fit only for glorious vermin, thereby rising through the chaos pantheon to make the other dark gods kneel before him. It was a solid plan, and the Great Horned Rat was in no mind to change it.
His whiskers twitched again, sending rippling auroras of green-black energy cascading across the skies of the Mortal Realms. There was something coming; its rippling in the smog-ridden miasma of Blight City was unmistakeable. Its was the touch of death - or rather undeath - laced through the arid tang of the desert tomb. Something that sought to contend for same power he himself would rightfully claim.
A rival.
The Great Horned Rat curled his lip, the glow of warpfire and infernal industry glinting from colossal chisel-like teeth that could sever realities. No Rival would take his place on the ladder. No would-be godling would disrupt his ascension. He was the lord of pestilence, of vermin and of endless, starving wastelands, and he had already suffered the sneers of the four for far too long.
If the cosmos was to turn to utter ruin, it would be him and him along would ensure it.
So yeah the great horned rat himself destroying the stupid meme that he replaced slaanesh(even though this was not said once in any book). Thank you the great horned rat!
That Slaanesh squatted/replaced thing was dead a since the very first campaign book, the only people supporting it have been doing so with disregard for the facts. That said I haven't seen anyone supporting that view lately but plenty complaining about it, so maybe we can just drop the issue entirely...
NinthMusketeer wrote: That Slaanesh squatted/replaced thing was dead a since the very first campaign book, the only people supporting it have been doing so with disregard for the facts. That said I haven't seen anyone supporting that view lately but plenty complaining about it, so maybe we can just drop the issue entirely...
Trust me I still see it. Topics that deal with slaanesh from reddit to even the total war forums/reddit they believe slaanesh has been removed to this day. Just a few days ago I saw someone using the first campaign book to prove that slaanesh has been removed and the amount of upvotes he got made me shake my head in sadness. Even on the GW facebook page people think slaanesh has been squatted.
NinthMusketeer wrote: That Slaanesh squatted/replaced thing was dead a since the very first campaign book, the only people supporting it have been doing so with disregard for the facts. That said I haven't seen anyone supporting that view lately but plenty complaining about it, so maybe we can just drop the issue entirely...
It certainly isn't the case along those that could be considered hardcore fans of the lore, those that do bother and gather quite a... few books. But to what would be more accurate to describe as layman/casual it's actually suprisingly pervasive, just that they don't bring it too much because they don't get involved too much/too deeply.
Really. They're going to do a 'game results dictate to the setting' campaign again? That went so well the last couple times.
If you read about it the campaign is more a choose your adventure than which faction stomps the other. Now it's less about a popularity contest with the armies *looks at order* and more about where players want the narrative to head by clocking games into a certain path or portent. I think the 40k campaign would of ended differently if they used this system. I won't be surprised when next year they do a campaign again for 40k they will be using this system again.
Really. They're going to do a 'game results dictate to the setting' campaign again? That went so well the last couple times.
Unlike the other times, though, the choice isn't faction locked. You can have order votes be spread all over the choice pool depending on how they feel .
Uh, it went pretty well last time. Yeah Order won all three cities, but those cities & and references to the campaign defending them were subsequently included seamlessly in later fluff (and rules). I remember all the people insisting that it was going to get ret-conned, based on a sample size of 2 from a decade earlier. They haven't touched on the subject again, coincidentally
I also see that you need to log your results with participating stores, so none of the old campaigns where players could log their own results via a site or snail mail.
I like the fact that you can have a vote by painting a unit. It means that people like myself, who are more into the painting side of the hobby and not so much gamers, can still influence the campaign. Nice one GW.
Really. They're going to do a 'game results dictate to the setting' campaign again? That went so well the last couple times.
Unlike the other times, though, the choice isn't faction locked. You can have order votes be spread all over the choice pool depending on how they feel .
I feel that's the better way to do it. The old good v bad was much too dull. But to have all armies hurtling towards unseen and uncertain outcomes really does appeal to me.
Wonder if I can speed-paint Skellingtons? I've got the models, and I've got the airbrush and paint!
The lines of good and bad are blurry as is right now with the setting. Daughters of Khaine are considered a good faction, despite being a thinly veiled murder cult, but there's also the Knights Excelsior, who maintain quite a (understatement here) genocidal modus operandi towards any form of corruption, weakness and the like.
BrookM wrote: The lines of good and bad are blurry as is right now with the setting. Daughters of Khaine are considered a good faction, despite being a thinly veiled murder cult, but there's also the Knights Excelsior, who maintain quite a (understatement here) genocidal modus operandi towards any form of corruption, weakness and the like.
Yes and no - Daughters of Khaine are an Order faction not a Good faction even if GW itself sometimes confuses the two in its writing.
Same as Death is not technically a "bad" faction especially if you go by the novels - but the Battletomes do tend to make it much more black and white than the setting has become but I guess they are trying to make it simple for players?
Gotrek is getting an audiobook in October, set in the Mortal Realms...
Amazon pre-order page wrote:Fabled hero of the Warhammer Old World, Gotrek Gurnisson is reborn and cast into the Age of Sigmar for a brand-new, feature-length audio adventure.
Gotrek Gurnisson was the greatest monster slayer of the age, who met his doom at the End Times. The heroic duardin stepped forth into the Realm of Chaos to fight the daemons gnawing at the world's ending and satisfy his death oath, leaving behind his companion Felix Jaeger. Now Gotrek has returned, having outlived the old gods and the Old World. Spat from the ruinous depths with his redemption unfulfilled, he emerges into the Mortal Realms, a strange new world where gods walk the earth and dark forces are ascendant. Nothing is as he remembers. His oaths are dust, and the lands are torn asunder by Chaos. Yet when Gotrek learns of human champions being elevated to immortality for Sigmar’s fight against this darkness, the so-called 'Stormcast Eternals', he knows why fate has brought him into this new age. To find Felix. For only then can he find the peace in death he seeks. But is there more to Gotrek's apotheosis than even he can fathom? Has he truly been chosen by Grimnir and for what purpose?
This audio drama boxed set contains a four-part story read by a stellar cast, recounting the much anticipated return of Gotrek Gurnisson.
Yeah, I kinda want it. Merging the ultimate slayer into the AoS mythos is gonna be so sweet. Especially watching thru his eyes the differences between this new world and the world that was.
Geifer wrote: The universe blows up but nobody dies. Is this how following a comic book series feels like?
I mean, everyone did die. Their souls got spat back out and Sigmar made a deal with Dracothian or something like that. Poof. Magic.
OK, so they died, and then lived again. How does that semantic distinction meaningfully affect his point?
THey've experience death and the setting changed. Many of them went through changes, such as Tyrion, Teclis, Malkeith, his mom, Grimnir, and a number of other figures becoming actual gods/demigods. Otherwise the common folk just got rebirthed. THey aren't the same people, only the same souls living new lives and new people.
No where near as comic books are with someone being brought back from the Underworld as the same person with a bit of Death PTSD.
His whiskers twitched again, sending rippling auroras of green-black energy cascading across the skies of the Mortal Realms. There was something coming; its rippling in the smog-ridden miasma of Blight City was unmistakeable. Its was the touch of death - or rather undeath - laced through the arid tang of the desert tomb. Something that sought to contend for same power he himself would rightfully claim
Anyone notice the peculiar adjective previous to the word tomb?
Geifer wrote: The universe blows up but nobody dies. Is this how following a comic book series feels like?
I mean, everyone did die. Their souls got spat back out and Sigmar made a deal with Dracothian or something like that. Poof. Magic.
OK, so they died, and then lived again. How does that semantic distinction meaningfully affect his point?
THey've experience death and the setting changed. Many of them went through changes, such as Tyrion, Teclis, Malkeith, his mom, Grimnir, and a number of other figures becoming actual gods/demigods. Otherwise the common folk just got rebirthed. THey aren't the same people, only the same souls living new lives and new people.
No where near as comic books are with someone being brought back from the Underworld as the same person with a bit of Death PTSD.
This is my first real setting reset (I'm not following comics firsthand). I'm a bit confused how either option in your post has appeal.
So all those characters are different. Like, Morathi wears a bra now. Great, why does it have to be Morathi and not a new character that is written specifically for the new setting?
If it's the same character with PTSD, OK, so it's still the same character. Why did we blow up the world again if nothing comes of it?
I don't get it.
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lord marcus wrote: His whiskers twitched again, sending rippling auroras of green-black energy cascading across the skies of the Mortal Realms. There was something coming; its rippling in the smog-ridden miasma of Blight City was unmistakeable. Its was the touch of death - or rather undeath - laced through the arid tang of the desert tomb. Something that sought to contend for same power he himself would rightfully claim
Anyone notice the peculiar adjective previous to the word tomb?
SETTRA LIVES!
Well, he is owed a reign of another 996,000 years, give or take. Just saying.
Geifer wrote: The universe blows up but nobody dies. Is this how following a comic book series feels like?
I mean, everyone did die. Their souls got spat back out and Sigmar made a deal with Dracothian or something like that. Poof. Magic.
OK, so they died, and then lived again. How does that semantic distinction meaningfully affect his point?
THey've experience death and the setting changed. Many of them went through changes, such as Tyrion, Teclis, Malkeith, his mom, Grimnir, and a number of other figures becoming actual gods/demigods. Otherwise the common folk just got rebirthed. THey aren't the same people, only the same souls living new lives and new people.
No where near as comic books are with someone being brought back from the Underworld as the same person with a bit of Death PTSD.
This is my first real setting reset (I'm not following comics firsthand). I'm a bit confused how either option in your post has appeal.
So all those characters are different. Like, Morathi wears a bra now. Great, why does it have to be Morathi and not a new character that is written specifically for the new setting?
If it's the same character with PTSD, OK, so it's still the same character. Why did we blow up the world again if nothing comes of it?
I don't get it.
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lord marcus wrote: His whiskers twitched again, sending rippling auroras of green-black energy cascading across the skies of the Mortal Realms. There was something coming; its rippling in the smog-ridden miasma of Blight City was unmistakeable. Its was the touch of death - or rather undeath - laced through the arid tang of the desert tomb. Something that sought to contend for same power he himself would rightfully claim
Anyone notice the peculiar adjective previous to the word tomb?
SETTRA LIVES!
Well, he is owed a reign of another 996,000 years, give or take. Just saying.
BrookM wrote: This isn't the place for such a discussion?
Correct, more or less.
Please take the more esoteric aspects of this conversation to the appropriate sub-forum, leaving this thread in the News & Rumors sub-forum to focus on AoS...News & Rumors.
Chikout wrote: So Naeve Blacktalon will be £15. A pleasant surprise after the malign portents minis.
Wait, where was that said? I've been waiting to get that model separately. When will she be released?
She goes up for preorder on Saturday alongside of the Vanguard Start Collecting and the Kharadron Start Collecting.
Be aware that if you're looking at starting a Vanguard themed force? You really are better off grabbing a Blight War+Start Collecting Vanguard set than just buying components individually.
Geifer wrote: The universe blows up but nobody dies. Is this how following a comic book series feels like?
yeah, this is lame.
That's what bother me about the more about AOS. If at least, you want to blow up the Old setting and create a new one, don't do it half assed by importing most of the minis from the old one. (That they still try to sell us old empire humans as regular mortal realms human, more than a thousand years after its destruction, is beyond laughable). It's getting better with each new release, but it is still a much too slow process.
People who played Warhammer Fantasy lost their minds when the game and the setting changed. It was already too much change. Keeping the old armies was an attempt to hold on to some of the player base. If they had squatted everything very few would have tried their game. From what I see in the trends, AOS models are up-scaling. I think in a few years GW will phase out all of the old miniature lines and at any rate, they won't look right compared to the modern sculpts. Same thing is happening in 40k. Deathguard are bigger than previous models and marines are slowly being replaced with Primaris marines.
lord marcus wrote: His whiskers twitched again, sending rippling auroras of green-black energy cascading across the skies of the Mortal Realms. There was something coming; its rippling in the smog-ridden miasma of Blight City was unmistakeable. Its was the touch of death - or rather undeath - laced through the arid tang of the desert tomb. Something that sought to contend for same power he himself would rightfully claim
Anyone notice the peculiar adjective previous to the word tomb?
SETTRA LIVES!
GIven the end of the first ET book, I've always wanted Settra to come back as a Chaos lord (kind of ironic considering my last post, but humans are strange like that ). Read that according to some BL author, he supposedly killed Kholek and turned on Archaon (lame), but this is not cannon AFAIK
Be aware that if you're looking at starting a Vanguard themed force? You really are better off grabbing a Blight War+Start Collecting Vanguard set than just buying components individually.
I just want that one model. Or perhaps two of them, in case I want to convert one into Custodes.
Be aware that if you're looking at starting a Vanguard themed force? You really are better off grabbing a Blight War+Start Collecting Vanguard set than just buying components individually.
I just want that one model. Or perhaps two of them, in case I want to convert one into Custodes.
Cool deal then. Just trying to make people aware that the bundle boxes containing Vanguard stuff are a far, far better way to start the force then anything else.
JSG wrote: I was honestly hoping she'd look more monstrous. I feel this diminishes the point of her having two forms. Still very excited to see the mini though.
Agreed on both counts. Hopefully this art shows her mid transformation.
Damn I am loving the Greek feel. After making some Free-guild that look like the Athenians from the second 300 film, all thanks to Duncan and co for the amazing idea, these gals are gonna be absolutely perfect to fight alongside these dudes.
I now demand a Jason and the Argonauts series set in the Mortal Realms.
JSG wrote: I was honestly hoping she'd look more monstrous. I feel this diminishes the point of her having two forms. Still very excited to see the mini though.
I hope she doesn't to be honest. Morathi has always been far too vain to allow herself to look in the eyes of everyone else "monstrous". Even if she's giant and half snake, she still needs to be best looking on the battlefield.
unmercifulconker wrote: Damn I am loving the Greek feel. After making some Free-guild that look like the Athenians from the second 300 film, all thanks to Duncan and co for the amazing idea, these gals are gonna be absolutely perfect to fight alongside these dudes.
I now demand a Jason and the Argonauts series set in the Mortal Realms.
Hope this release is soon!
Some good ideas - although poor Medusa always got a raw deal in the stories... bless her.
Hopefully the inevitable novels will flesh them out a bit - the Battletomes are not very good at it sadly.
Seems in the Malign Portents book Sigvald is basically referenced, not by name but "The Vainest soul trapped in the Magnificent Mirror" is essentially him in all but name
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Seems in the Malign Portents book Sigvald is basically referenced, not by name but "The Vainest soul trapped in the Magnificent Mirror" is essentially him in all but name
Quite so, I saw that reference and thought of Sigvald. It seems the pieces for Slaanesh's escape are slowly falling into place. I predict Nagash's attempts to reclaim the self-souls will end up with Slaanesh breaking free or being found.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: In other AOS news; Gotrek is back. As a character in BL fiction at least. This pleases me. Maybe he'll get a new model (we can but hope).
Could be seeing an expansion on the scourge privateers. I doubt we're seeing undead pirates when they just released Legions of Nagash but I suppose it's possible.
Hulksmash wrote: Could be seeing an expansion on the scourge privateers. I doubt we're seeing undead pirates when they just released Legions of Nagash but I suppose it's possible.
I'm thinking you're right on the money about this. Scourge Privateers are apparently now known for capturing rare and exotic beasts, rather than being slavers.
Scourge Privateers also have the advantage of already having several kits similar to the the other expanded factions. 3 units and a character. Add in that you could pretty easily shift the Hydra back to them and incorporate dark riders if they aren't put in DoK and the excellent potential for bolt throwers to be shifted back in and you've got a solid faction out of existing models that you can expand with 2-3 kits, 2-3 blister characters, and a monster of some sort.
You mean to tell me im getting Greek themed Aelves for my Greek Free-guild BUT NOW you tellin me I might get underwater monsters to use for my Kvaldir force?!
GW what are you doing to my wallet, I should literally set up a direct transfer from my payslip to GW now, they are relentless with these releases now.
Dread it.......Run from it.......The plastic still arrives.
Hulksmash wrote: Scourge Privateers also have the advantage of already having several kits similar to the the other expanded factions. 3 units and a character. Add in that you could pretty easily shift the Hydra back to them and incorporate dark riders if they aren't put in DoK and the excellent potential for bolt throwers to be shifted back in and you've got a solid faction out of existing models that you can expand with 2-3 kits, 2-3 blister characters, and a monster of some sort.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point to see the Shadowblades get shifted into Scourge Privateers. The Dark Riders synergize so damn well with them.
They do have Bolt Throwers by the way, since they get the Scourgerunner Chariots.
Temoulon, the guy that told us about custodes and TS in november and forewarned us about DoK, has this to say:
This is an actual piece of scenery GW is going to sell, and that will have its own rules like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood. It's part of the entire Sea Aelves new range, which are absolutely stunning visually, will have tons of sea creatures to ride, one of which is MASSIVE, and unique high cost heroes with crazy design. Also forget about the Cthullu look, their design is closer to bad-ass Atlantean Spartans.
I actually believe that is a scenery piece, the sculpting on it looks so. From the little twin tailed comets to what looks like mold lines. But why would a wrecked ship like that be planted on non underwater tables, not to mention sea monsters functioning out of water? Seems fishy to me...
Thargrim wrote: I actually believe that is a scenery piece, the sculpting on it looks so. From the little twin tailed comets to what looks like mold lines. But why would a wrecked ship like that be planted on non underwater tables, not to mention sea monsters functioning out of water? Seems fishy to me...
Oh boy I'm glad no one has pics of the puzzled look that must have been all over my face when the Goldfish swam on
Thargrim wrote: But why would a wrecked ship like that be planted on non underwater tables, not to mention sea monsters functioning out of water? Seems fishy to me...
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
Davor wrote: Can someone explain to me this undead pirates. I don't know the Warhammer lore so not sure why people are excited.
All I can see is a Johnny Depp mini coming out.
In Fantasy there was a Vampire Count named Luthor Harkon who was shipwrecked in Lustria, he formed some Undead Pirates and sailed from an area of Lustria called the Vampire Coast.
Lord Kragan wrote: Temoulon, the guy that told us about custodes and TS in november and forewarned us about DoK, has this to say:
This is an actual piece of scenery GW is going to sell, and that will have its own rules like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood. It's part of the entire Sea Aelves new range, which are absolutely stunning visually, will have tons of sea creatures to ride, one of which is MASSIVE, and unique high cost heroes with crazy design. Also forget about the Cthullu look, their design is closer to bad-ass Atlantean Spartans.
I still have some doubt that the guys is a credible rumour monger, but that sounds ace
Davor wrote: Can someone explain to me this undead pirates. I don't know the Warhammer lore so not sure why people are excited.
All I can see is a Johnny Depp mini coming out.
In Fantasy there was a Vampire Count named Luthor Harkon who was shipwrecked in Lustria, he formed some Undead Pirates and sailed from an area of Lustria called the Vampire Coast.
Thank you very much. This sounds interesting. Looking forward to more.
I just hope GW wasn't trolling us since it's almost an ad on how it's cheaper to go to the pet store to buy our scenery than going through GW.
If this sea elves rumor does pan out, then they don't sound like the same faction(or factions) that the two Silver tower elves belong to. Looks like AoS is not going to be short of choice for fans of the pointy ears.
GoatboyBeta wrote: If this sea elves rumor does pan out, then they don't sound like the same faction(or factions) that the two Silver tower elves belong to. Looks like AoS is not going to be short of choice for fans of the pointy ears.
If they develop all the sub factions and add new content, that'd be amazing. Who knows, maybe they'll do just that.
Davor wrote: Can someone explain to me this undead pirates. I don't know the Warhammer lore so not sure why people are excited.
All I can see is a Johnny Depp mini coming out.
In addition to wait Victor said, during the Firestorm campaign, there was a Community article that gave Death armies the ability to deploy units from off-board (ala Deep Strike) that mentioned a spectral ship.
Really looking forward to reading this book.
