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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/24 23:53:08


Post by: Gallahad


GaroRobe wrote:
I don't know why, but I thought the General Greviouses had a bunch of nipples on the front of their chests. Turns out, its bolts or something for their armor.


Or is it....

Spoiler:

I think you should paint your Bone guys a fleshy pale and realize your artistic vision!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 00:04:07


Post by: skullking


Glad to see the firebellys added to the magic lores. I'm a little disappointed that they never got expanded into a full army list, as I thought the one model had some cool design aesthetics. I'm looking forward to getting the Ogors book, and hopefully they'll get some new models other than the tyrant.

Also... Slaves to Darkness!!!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 00:54:51


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 skullking wrote:
Glad to see the firebellys added to the magic lores. I'm a little disappointed that they never got expanded into a full army list, as I thought the one model had some cool design aesthetics. I'm looking forward to getting the Ogors book, and hopefully they'll get some new models other than the tyrant.

Also... Slaves to Darkness!!!
Pretty much on the same page here!


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Voss wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Voss wrote:
I dunno, they're ugly models, but some of the paint jobs do help.

The rules don't. Way too many rules-exceptions and 'even more better because we're new,' which I thought GW had worked past.
Rules exceptions? There's run & charge for one subfaction but that's relatively common. The army ignores battleshock, but for an elite army with bravery 10 across the board that amounts of a small upgrade. Did I miss some?

Probably referring to the artefact that ignores all saves and wound-negation, which is only available to the anti-magic faction, and possibly ignoring that it is a singular item that does nothing useful against hordes, likely mostly because it’s specifically called out as countering Gotrek. Which is silly because it doesn’t actually counter Avatar of Grimnir at all…


Nope. I'm referring to nothing of the sort.

I was referring to immune to battleshock (no matter how 'small' an upgrade it is), and negate wounds, and roll a bunch of dice for bonus not!command points and treating troops as heroes with their own command abilities, plus the various modifiers for each unit and subfaction.
See though, those aren't rules exceptions; they are just rules.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 01:08:55


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I too have often longed for more Ogres.

Guess I'll have to supplement with a bunch of Mierce stuff for the time being!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 02:11:05


Post by: Orlanth


The ogre range was never large. One basic infantry, two elite infantry, one missile infantry, one cavalry.
However the new tyrant is nice. I wonder if i can fudge him onto a 40x40 base.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 02:12:36


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Orlanth wrote:
The ogre range was never large. One basic infantry, two elite infantry, one missile infantry, one cavalry.
However the new tyrant is nice. I wonder if i can fudge him onto a 40x40 base.
An appropriately shaped rock always solves the problem!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 02:19:13


Post by: angel of death 007


 Alpharius wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Faeit 212 got the US price lists and Feast of Bones is $195 looks like GW changed their exchange rate again


Brutal.

You'd think this would help insulate us from price hikes, and maybe it does to some small extent, but...probably not.

£115 in the real world = $149 USD.

£115 in GW World = $195 USD.

Yuck.


The good thing is I think it is getting close to a ceiling here. The fact that Blood of the Phoenix is still around and available everywhere means that people are actually starting to get sticker shock to the point of stopping to buy. With Feast of Bones being $195 in USA I debated it but in all honesty it is too much. The value really isn't there because the price is so overinflated. There is only one thing we can do as consumers and that is NOT purchase it. If we get enough people not impulse buying everything that is released, hopefully we can see the prices balance out. There really is no reason for this box set to be above $160. Even $160 is getting hard to justify for a full box set, which this is not. This is just two small armies like everything else they have been releasing. Seeing as how the new Necromunda is about to release I think my days of impulse buying need to be over. Save up for the few purchases that make sense and stop trying to convince myself that paying for these limited box sets are an actual value. I don't see the value of paying near 200 and I sure didn't see the value in the 230 for Blood of the Phoenix. Gotta start some tough love. GW is out of control with their prices and only us the consumer can change that.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 04:36:21


Post by: Sabotage!


So that distribution sheet or what not listed a Slaves to Darkness release. I imagine if we are going to see one, we'll probably see it previewed at Blood and Glory the weekend after this one.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 12:29:50


Post by: Geifer


I really like the Ivory Host color scheme (I think I got the subfaction right - you know, the Tyranid Warrior with the amber swords) and I hope we'll see pictures of other troops in that color scheme. I've been on the fence before, but I'm starting to think the models' aesthetic is not for me and not easily adjusted to my taste either after seeing the models in different color schemes (that I like better than the original one they showed).

Guess I'm going to have to keep waiting for a Death release that's actually for me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 16:35:23


Post by: porkuslime


Gee.. they did not show an alt paint scheme for the bone guys with chrome bones and glowy green weaponry and magic items.. I am sure SOMEONE will paint up one or 2 as a Cryp... hero, I mean..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 21:43:05


Post by: Overread


The release is EARLY
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/New-Exclusive?N=2030501316+3206404541&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3ANZ_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_NZ_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+<%3D+1572085740000+and+product.endDate+>%3D+1572085740000%5D


At least on GW New Zealand! There you go all the warscrolls for the models up and visible. Though only 1 version of the duel kits is on show for the feast of bones box and the terrain for Ossiarchs hasn't yet been uploaded.

The soul bird looks way more interesting now with not just a line of sight bonus but it also rolls a dice if there are any order, destruction or chaos units killed within 6 inches of it. It can heal, deal mortal wounds or both based on the dice roll.

Whilst its situational 3 out of 4 grand alliances isn't bad and it makes it a really nasty spell to keep close to the front lines, esp with soul-link so your opponent can't get it out of the way.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/25 22:15:58


Post by: Ghaz




Table of contents for the Ossiarch Bonereapers (if you can squint enough to read it ).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 01:16:23


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Going through the starter set warscrolls. I like the bonereaper ones (especially that Volkmortian's lesser hand of dust can't have its range modified), bar the issue with stalker stances that I mentioned when they were previewed earlier. I was concerned they might go overboard on the complexity but they did not, so pretty happy with that. I wish they took the opportunity to make the double-blade option on morghasts 6 attacks to bring it on par with the glaive, since as it stands the blades only deal more damage against enemies with a 6+ save (not even accounting for weapon range).

Ogor warscrolls look to be updated & modernized well. The ironblaster has two shooting options and they are both useful, which I definitely like. And the extra nomnom attack has a profile good enough that it will be relevant. Basic ogors got streamlined quite well with both their equipment options being worthwhile and notable but not annoying-to-keep-track-of bonuses from their command group.

Displeased with the Tyrant. The glaive has an ability where it does extra damage on a hit roll of 6, meaning those must be rolled to wound separately. This creates an extra step in the process that is statistically irrelevant; busy work for no reward. The big name can be chosen now, but the bonuses were not re-evaluated so that entire ability amounts to "a Tyrant has a 3+ save" since that is the best choice.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 02:18:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Wow. AUD$320.

Go home GW. You're drunk.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 02:26:34


Post by: Tim the Biovore


And yet somehow sold out in 20 minutes.

Guess some people really want that Tyrant, eh?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 02:55:55


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I'm convinced that they only allocate a tiny amount of boxes there because the number of direct-order players is very small and very consistent.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 03:34:35


Post by: nagash42


the only change to Morghasts is the Hekatos and bonereapers keyword which means they can be healed by the bonshaper, give nearby units the 6+ deathless minions save and get you more command points.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 06:33:06


Post by: Aaranis


The Ossiarch looks really flavourful reading these Scrolls. The Tesla-lite on Mortek was unforeseen. Vokmortian looks like a risky character to play, I like it. He wants to get close but has a 5+ and 6 Wounds, but he shines within 3" of ennemies.

I hope their endless spells are appropriately costed though, their effects are easily worth a Hero and can't be used by the opponent because reasons.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 07:00:28


Post by: Overread


At the same time with slower moving wizards and warriors (barring expensive morghasts which might come into their own with the army as a fast attacking option); those Endless Spells might be very helpful in establishing wounds and board control before the army actually gets there .


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 08:59:45


Post by: Cronch


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm convinced that they only allocate a tiny amount of boxes there because the number of direct-order players is very small and very consistent.

According to someone on reddit, their FLGS owner told the GW rep informed him there will not be enough boxes allocated to satisfy the demand. Take it with a pinch of salt, but it's consistent with recent battlebox releases for AoS


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 09:37:39


Post by: Aeneades


Element Games have just removed the box from sale on the website and updated to only available directly from GW which is concerning as they removed it whilst I was checking out but my order still went through so not clear if II actually will get my copy or not. They did have 55 in stock a few seconds before they removed it.


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Edit: it’s back up again now with 47 copies left.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 09:53:20


Post by: UltraPrime


Aeneades wrote:
Element Games have just removed the box from sale on the website and updated to only available directly from GW which is concerning as they removed it whilst I was checking out but my order still went through so not clear if II actually will get my copy or not. They did have 55 in stock a few seconds before they removed it.


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Edit: it’s back up again now with 47 copies left.


Did you get an order confirmation? I didn't, but money still went out...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 09:56:15


Post by: Aeneades


UltraPrime wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Element Games have just removed the box from sale on the website and updated to only available directly from GW which is concerning as they removed it whilst I was checking out but my order still went through so not clear if II actually will get my copy or not. They did have 55 in stock a few seconds before they removed it.


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Edit: it’s back up again now with 47 copies left.


Did you get an order confirmation? I didn't, but money still went out...


My order confirmation came through straight away, have you check to see if it’s in your order history? As long as it’s there you should be fine.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 10:05:54


Post by: UltraPrime


Aeneades wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Element Games have just removed the box from sale on the website and updated to only available directly from GW which is concerning as they removed it whilst I was checking out but my order still went through so not clear if II actually will get my copy or not. They did have 55 in stock a few seconds before they removed it.


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Edit: it’s back up again now with 47 copies left.


Did you get an order confirmation? I didn't, but money still went out...


My order confirmation came through straight away, have you check to see if it’s in your order history? As long as it’s there you should be fine.


It's not. And no contact available on a saturday. Bit miffed now.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 12:07:52


Post by: CoreCommander


It seems like the box sold out in UK and Europe atleast. On a side note I read an amusing comment how someone was pleasantly surprised that the box wasn't 140, but only 115 quid. I guess sales can now safely bump the prices of these double boxes up by another 25 euro in march .


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 13:28:19


Post by: Overread


Well now I've got a painful week waiting to see if I get a copy! Travelled out and ordered at my local GW store first thing this morning (well they open at 10 so around 10ish).

The only thing I'm surprised at is that GW has not only undersold but put another hero in a limited box which is a shame, at least mortek guard adn stalkers will be on preorder next week though it means an extra weeks wait if the box order fails.



Box - spells - tome all coming next week I hope.
I'm still hunting for an Ogor player to swap the reapers with.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 13:32:35


Post by: Kanluwen


The nice part is that Ossiarch hero is actually a named one--so missing out on him isn't going to hurt too much, since he'll be a unique option.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 14:07:46


Post by: sockwithaticket


I've generally been quite meh on a lot of the spells, but these ones all look good..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 15:03:16


Post by: Sqorgar


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
And yet somehow sold out in 20 minutes.

Guess some people really want that Tyrant, eh?
I'm convinced that GW is artificially constraining the production of these releases in order to trigger a FOMO reaction in people, causing them to accept the moronic high prices that GW is setting for their products. Like I said in another thread, if these boxes ever had enough stock to last just two weeks, they'd sit on the shelves for months unsold. GW ensures that there is never enough stock to make sure this doesn't happen. I think they might also be afraid that offering these bundles may devalue the individual unit boxes, so they probably don't want them sticking around so that their entire audience just splits boxes on eBay.

It also seems particularly worse with AoS, as their 40k two army boxes do generally have enough stock to last a few months while AoS boxes sell out during the preorder period - every time. It isn't because AoS is more popular, but because they make far fewer copies of these boxes. A shrewd company would see that the demand is there and make more copies - why leave potential sales on the table and risk the anger of customers who couldn't get one? Even at a lower price, GW must be making like 70% profit off each box - but for some reason, GW doesn't make more. Why? My guess is that they think the 40k boxes will eventually sell, while the AoS ones will hit a saturation point and not sell.

GW is using loot box psychology to trick its customers into paying more than they want or should feel comfortable with. Their entire business plan is built on FOMO, hype, and limited releases to obfuscate the true value of their product. If they ever stopped pumping out new crap for a second, people would look at their pile of boxes of unbuilt models and realize that they are literally spending money on something which has zero real world value to them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 15:12:05


Post by: Galas


Well, I had it pre-ordered a week ago but as the GW distributor of our zone is some stupid italian that can't even speak spanish properly I won't get mine. And I can't even buy it online in any retailer that I have found because in 2 hours everyone was out of stock.


Great move GW. I assume selling your production run of a box set in 20 seconds is something to brag in front of your investors A shame those production runs are 7 boxes or something like that.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 15:12:33


Post by: Overread


 Sqorgar wrote:


GW is using loot box psychology to trick its customers into paying more than they want or should feel comfortable with. Their entire business plan is built on FOMO, hype, and limited releases to obfuscate the true value of their product. If they ever stopped pumping out new crap for a second, people would look at their pile of boxes of unbuilt models and realize that they are literally spending money on something which has zero real world value to them.


Wait what? The boxes GW makes are all discount boxes, limited production and they are certainly using limited to help drive sales up of those boxes there's no denying that. However you get a box of models at the end of the day - a box with a pretty good discount from GW direct and even more discount if you get it from a 3rd party store. And yeah if you are one of those people with a million boxes of unbuilt stuff then yes its adding to the pille; but honestly the majority of people I see with a mountain of models that big have been building the mounting for decades in general.


Heck one thing driving boxes out of sale is likely more ebay stores buying and spiltting boxes - so they are certainly getting a real world value (and profit) out of them


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 15:34:05


Post by: Galas


It seems the box is again availible in GW webstore. But in many 3rd party stores it seems as a direct-only box. Hmm. Strange.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 16:59:48


Post by: Sasori


Reviews are now up on both the Ossiarch and Ogor Mawtribes.

GMG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whg32GhCqVE

Mini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfr0wqLXSE


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 17:25:10


Post by: Aeneades


 Galas wrote:
It seems the box is again availible in GW webstore. But in many 3rd party stores it seems as a direct-only box. Hmm. Strange.


It’s now out of stock on the uk webstore (appears to be in stock until you actually click on it).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 17:27:37


Post by: Sqorgar


 Overread wrote:

Wait what? The boxes GW makes are all discount boxes, limited production and they are certainly using limited to help drive sales up of those boxes there's no denying that. However you get a box of models at the end of the day - a box with a pretty good discount from GW direct and even more discount if you get it from a 3rd party store. And yeah if you are one of those people with a million boxes of unbuilt stuff then yes its adding to the pille; but honestly the majority of people I see with a mountain of models that big have been building the mounting for decades in general.
The problem is that just about everything GW puts out is a limited time release or released under conditions which temporarily increase the price. But that temporarily never gets tested because very little of it stays on shelves for very long. The stuff that doesn't sell well, GW takes back and puts on their online store (where it can sit for years) so that they can release another $3,000 worth of product each month. They know that if they kept their product on the shelves, it would eventually be sold on sale or clearance just to get rid of the damn thing - because that's the ACTUAL value of GW products, and GW would rather buy all their stock back than ever see a single GW product on clearance.

The end result is that it is virtually impossible to determine the actual market value of GW products because they are all sold under manipulative practices designed to drive up prices. None of these market manipulations would survive actual market conditions, which is why GW does everything in its power to make sure that their product is NEVER found under real world market conditions.

Heck one thing driving boxes out of sale is likely more ebay stores buying and spiltting boxes - so they are certainly getting a real world value (and profit) out of them
This right here is an indication to me that GW's primary audience is whales and scalpers, and not of a healthy market full of loyal consumers. After all, why release a two army bundle which doesn't really work as a starter set for two players? How many GW customers are buying these two armies for themselves and not splitting the box? Why not just release the two armies separately, as start collecting boxes? For the same reason you can't just buy any Fortnite skin you want whenever you want it. For the same reason you have to get a loot box for a chance to get the thing you want rather than getting it directly.

It's because GW is trying to sell two things for the price of one and two-thirds things, hoping that the perceived value of the discount (not the product) is enticing to consumers. The idea that you are saving $30 is supposed to offset the idea that you are buying something your don't really want in order to get something you do want. Being able to sell the stuff you don't want to make part of your investment back is enticing as well, but these boxes generally have unequal propositions in them. A lot more people want the Ossiarchs than the Ogors, and the Ogor half is worth less than half of the price, whichs means that if your goal is to sell the Ogor half of the box, you will probably end up taking a loss. Either you end up paying more for "half" of the box, or you end up dumping the Ogors on eBay for less than market value because there's been a recent flood of them (also why GW doesn't want these boxes to stick around).

So who wins here? Not the consumer. They've had to buy something they didn't want and even if they eBay it, they'll still end up subsidizing someone else's purchase. Because it is a discount, it seems like a good deal, but remember that this discount is in comparison to prices which have been artificially inflated in the first place. I'd wager that even with the discounts, the actual market value of the models contained in this box are far less than people would pay for it under normal market conditions. If they produced enough, this is the kind of thing you'd see on clearance in six months.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 17:32:32


Post by: Ghaz


Lady Atia has her review up on War of Sigmar:

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 17:42:55


Post by: Kanluwen


His "companion abilities" is what I had hoped we would get with Cities of Sigmar.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 19:45:16


Post by: Sasori


I've spent some time reviewing everything, and I think the army is going to be strong, but not back breaking.

The Army has tons of good stuff. The only thing I really dislike, is the fact that one subfaction is just clearly so much better than the others it's not even close. That's really too bad, but the Petrifex Elite is just heads and shoulders above everything.

There is tons of depth the army. With so many command abilities, it's rare you are going to be doing the same things every time. I like that a lot.

Most of the units appear to be really strong. I don't really see any duds, besides maybe the soul reaper. I think Nagash is going to be too expensive to really see play. Orpheus is really cool, but 500 points and his legion is a bit of a dud.

The main thing that is keeping this army in check is the points values. I've been brewing a few lists, but it is impossible to fit everything you want into it. You have to balance how much healing, Discipline Points and other abilities you want in the army.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/26 20:01:19


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Petrifax elite is obviously OP, the army as whole is going to struggle against any sort of MW spam. If you run an army without much rend or MWs, however, you're going to have a tough time at best. Strong overall, not a beginner's army IMO. It would be really easy to make a list/play the army in a manner where it does poorly. On the other hand, it also has the tools to do well at tournaments bar MW spam.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 00:33:08


Post by: GaroRobe


Did they just reuse the corpses from the corpsecart on the base of the Carrion Bird endless spell? I swear, they look identical. Same hair, same screamy mouths, clothes, etc.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 00:35:29


Post by: Tiberius501


It’s mainly just the basic troops for me, they seem bonkers for their points. The 3+ re-rolling saves with either the subfaction every human and their mom will go, or if Katakros is around with his subfaction, and then all the ways to get models back and being fearless, they just won’t die unless you unloading a billion mortal wounds into them which isn’t fun.
Otherwise the army seems fine and quite fun to play/fight against.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 02:42:15


Post by: angel of death 007


 Sqorgar wrote:
 Overread wrote:

Wait what? The boxes GW makes are all discount boxes, limited production and they are certainly using limited to help drive sales up of those boxes there's no denying that. However you get a box of models at the end of the day - a box with a pretty good discount from GW direct and even more discount if you get it from a 3rd party store. And yeah if you are one of those people with a million boxes of unbuilt stuff then yes its adding to the pille; but honestly the majority of people I see with a mountain of models that big have been building the mounting for decades in general.
The problem is that just about everything GW puts out is a limited time release or released under conditions which temporarily increase the price. But that temporarily never gets tested because very little of it stays on shelves for very long. The stuff that doesn't sell well, GW takes back and puts on their online store (where it can sit for years) so that they can release another $3,000 worth of product each month. They know that if they kept their product on the shelves, it would eventually be sold on sale or clearance just to get rid of the damn thing - because that's the ACTUAL value of GW products, and GW would rather buy all their stock back than ever see a single GW product on clearance.

The end result is that it is virtually impossible to determine the actual market value of GW products because they are all sold under manipulative practices designed to drive up prices. None of these market manipulations would survive actual market conditions, which is why GW does everything in its power to make sure that their product is NEVER found under real world market conditions.

Heck one thing driving boxes out of sale is likely more ebay stores buying and spiltting boxes - so they are certainly getting a real world value (and profit) out of them
This right here is an indication to me that GW's primary audience is whales and scalpers, and not of a healthy market full of loyal consumers. After all, why release a two army bundle which doesn't really work as a starter set for two players? How many GW customers are buying these two armies for themselves and not splitting the box? Why not just release the two armies separately, as start collecting boxes? For the same reason you can't just buy any Fortnite skin you want whenever you want it. For the same reason you have to get a loot box for a chance to get the thing you want rather than getting it directly.

It's because GW is trying to sell two things for the price of one and two-thirds things, hoping that the perceived value of the discount (not the product) is enticing to consumers. The idea that you are saving $30 is supposed to offset the idea that you are buying something your don't really want in order to get something you do want. Being able to sell the stuff you don't want to make part of your investment back is enticing as well, but these boxes generally have unequal propositions in them. A lot more people want the Ossiarchs than the Ogors, and the Ogor half is worth less than half of the price, whichs means that if your goal is to sell the Ogor half of the box, you will probably end up taking a loss. Either you end up paying more for "half" of the box, or you end up dumping the Ogors on eBay for less than market value because there's been a recent flood of them (also why GW doesn't want these boxes to stick around).

So who wins here? Not the consumer. They've had to buy something they didn't want and even if they eBay it, they'll still end up subsidizing someone else's purchase. Because it is a discount, it seems like a good deal, but remember that this discount is in comparison to prices which have been artificially inflated in the first place. I'd wager that even with the discounts, the actual market value of the models contained in this box are far less than people would pay for it under normal market conditions. If they produced enough, this is the kind of thing you'd see on clearance in six months.


I agree GW didn't get my money on blood of the phoenix or Feast of Bones. They keep upping their prices by making fake demand. Everyone in a panic because they sell out in an hour, well no duh, when you only make 1000 units to distribute worldwide of course you will sell out. It does three things, increases the inpulse buyers because they feel if they don't order it they won't get it, increases direct sales to guarantee a copy (more money directly into GW wallet per unit), and people who are buying these sets are always buying all the add ons to go with the one or sometimes both armies in the set, so GW banks yet again.

Blood of Phoenix stopped my impulse buying, Feast of Bones made me think and finally come to my sense. The new upcoming Necromunda release was appealing until I heard it might be $290 USD... At that price GW might have priced this consumer clear out as I keep loosing interest more and more and can't justify the prices. It won't be until we stop buying that GW will adjust prices, people please, keep preordering the stuff and keep the process growing... at what price will you stop is what you should be asking yourself. Luckily I woke up and my credit card bill this month won't be including the 230 for Blood of Phoenix and the 190 for Feast of bones... $420... Just thinking about that makes me wonder why i never woke up before.


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Post by: NinthMusketeer


I am fine putting a bunch of money down on preorder (way more than I normally would for miniatures) because if I change my mind I know that not only can I get my money back by reselling but I can actually make money. If I had the time and the spare funds I would see no reason not to order 5, 10, however many they'd let me, just to part out and resell. Taking a while to resell them all isn't even a bad thing since the price on the exclusive models will continue to go up and the box is a heavy discount off the retail price the miniatures will eventually go for.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 07:42:23


Post by: tneva82


angel of death 007 wrote:

Blood of Phoenix stopped my impulse buying, Feast of Bones made me think and finally come to my sense. The new upcoming Necromunda release was appealing until I heard it might be $290 USD... At that price GW might have priced this consumer clear out as I keep loosing interest more and more and can't justify the prices. It won't be until we stop buying that GW will adjust prices, people please, keep preordering the stuff and keep the process growing... at what price will you stop is what you should be asking yourself. Luckily I woke up and my credit card bill this month won't be including the 230 for Blood of Phoenix and the 190 for Feast of bones... $420... Just thinking about that makes me wonder why i never woke up before.


Thing is if you want to start the bone guys the feast of bone is no brainer money saver. Similarly blood of phoenix can save you money compared to buying separately.

So what you are saying: don't start bonereapers.

Or even more accurately: quit all gw right now


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 07:47:38


Post by: angel of death 007


tneva82 wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:

Blood of Phoenix stopped my impulse buying, Feast of Bones made me think and finally come to my sense. The new upcoming Necromunda release was appealing until I heard it might be $290 USD... At that price GW might have priced this consumer clear out as I keep loosing interest more and more and can't justify the prices. It won't be until we stop buying that GW will adjust prices, people please, keep preordering the stuff and keep the process growing... at what price will you stop is what you should be asking yourself. Luckily I woke up and my credit card bill this month won't be including the 230 for Blood of Phoenix and the 190 for Feast of bones... $420... Just thinking about that makes me wonder why i never woke up before.


Thing is if you want to start the bone guys the feast of bone is no brainer money saver. Similarly blood of phoenix can save you money compared to buying separately.

So what you are saying: don't start bonereapers.

Or even more accurately: quit all gw right now


No you can keep feeding them your money all you want. But at what price will you stop? Or the steady price increases don't seem to bother you then so be it. Some people have infinite funds. Bonereapers will be out... and eventually they will even get a start collecting box... and all the craziness right now will just keep encouraging GW to raise their prices. So keep buying and rock on. Saving over $400 by not just grabbing a gimmick or two is worth it to me and at this rate I think I will just keep ignoring it as there are far better games then GW makes out there at a fraction of the price... And even more on the way.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 08:44:12


Post by: Chopstick


angel of death 007 wrote:


No you can keep feeding them your money all you want. But at what price will you stop? Or the steady price increases don't seem to bother you then so be it. Some people have infinite funds. Bonereapers will be out... and eventually they will even get a start collecting box... and all the craziness right now will just keep encouraging GW to raise their prices. So keep buying and rock on. Saving over $400 by not just grabbing a gimmick or two is worth it to me and at this rate I think I will just keep ignoring it as there are far better games then GW makes out there at a fraction of the price... And even more on the way.


Well you can have lots of value out of Feast of Bone box by forcing the Orgor player to take the short end of the straw with 50% value splitting. Playing with GW nowaday you can't just be a customer, you have to also be a used car salesman.

I didn't tell you to buy any of those boxes btw, just some interesting take from my POV.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 08:49:19


Post by: angel of death 007


Chopstick wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:


No you can keep feeding them your money all you want. But at what price will you stop? Or the steady price increases don't seem to bother you then so be it. Some people have infinite funds. Bonereapers will be out... and eventually they will even get a start collecting box... and all the craziness right now will just keep encouraging GW to raise their prices. So keep buying and rock on. Saving over $400 by not just grabbing a gimmick or two is worth it to me and at this rate I think I will just keep ignoring it as there are far better games then GW makes out there at a fraction of the price... And even more on the way.


Well you can have lots of value out of Feast of Bone box by forcing the Orgor player to take the short end of the straw with 50% value splitting. Playing with GW nowaday you can't just be a customer, you have to also be a used car salesman.

I didn't tell you to buy any of those boxes btw, just some interesting take from my POV.


Why should you go thru all that effort? Try to get a few to resale and bump up the cost and rip off all your fellow gamers who already couldn't afford to buy the set to get what they wanted or needed. Great motto. Rather then stand up against the company only producing 1000 copies so they can cause the chaos in the first place. Well maybe GW isn't the place for me anymore, luckily all you believers have drove the cost up so high i can sell my stuff for very little loss and give someone a deal.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:10:38


Post by: Bubbles420


I haven't been interest in warhammer fantasy since 6e and have to say I am loving the Ossiarch just wish I A) had the money to grab FoB & B) GW didnt do such ridiculously low runs that they can justify their price hikes (yet after lurking for ages I am aware this conversation ,has occurred multiple times across multiple threads).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:26:10


Post by: Chopstick


Bubbles420 wrote:
I haven't been interest in warhammer fantasy since 6e and have to say I am loving the Ossiarch just wish I A) had the money to grab FoB & B) GW didnt do such ridiculously low runs that they can justify their price hikes (yet after lurking for ages I am aware this conversation ,has occurred multiple times across multiple threads).


Well it's sold out online everywhere so your problem is gone now. They will be on store separately in November if leak is correct so you can still get whatever Bonecast you like.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:33:21


Post by: Kanluwen


Bubbles420 wrote:
I haven't been interest in warhammer fantasy since 6e and have to say I am loving the Ossiarch just wish I A) had the money to grab FoB & B) GW didnt do such ridiculously low runs that they can justify their price hikes (yet after lurking for ages I am aware this conversation ,has occurred multiple times across multiple threads).

These "sellouts" are just the webstore/preorder allocations. Around Monday or Tuesday we might see some go back up on the webstore when orders that had payment problems or the like get cancelled out, but by and large you're down to "if you want it, show up early on Saturday".
Most GW stores will have at least 2-3 to put out on the shelves on Saturday, but that crap will go fast.

Additionally, we know from the Model Focus article for the Bonereapers that:
While the Mortek Guard and Necropolis Stalkers will be available separately the week after the release of Feast of Bones, Vokmortian will initially only be available in this set. If you want to add him to your collection, make sure to pre-order yours this weekend!


Vokmortian's a named character, making this the third time(Blight War being the first, Blood of the Phoenix being the second, and now Feast of Bones) we've had named characters in one of these boxes.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:42:50


Post by: Bubbles420


Yeah I think I'll have to grab some of the Ossiarch if sell some of my stuff and move soon.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:44:55


Post by: Overread


The only bonus of named characters in boxes like this is if you can get them off ebay as anyone who doubles up technically won't need a second. However in practice many do hang onto the model to paint/convert; whilst the stock that goes up on ebay will sell out fast leaving only the expensive ones (someone in Italy is already being really creative with around £800 for each model option in the box).

Of course with the box selling out this fast I don't think there will be a huge amount of reapers on ebay to get - too many people want them and bought in on the box.



When I got Carrion empire it took moments to find several willing to trade half and half for flesheaters even though skaven were more popular in general. This boxed set feels like GW has really understocked compared to the previous ones, even Carrion Empire. Plus I think ogors being an elite style army means that many ogor players just weren't "as" tempted by the box since they already owned many of the core options present. I think if GW had put a little more content in for ogors they might have tempted them over. Then take out the morghasts that GW spent a month coaxing us to buy direct and replace them with cavalry for reapers


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:54:50


Post by: Kanluwen


There's always a perception of "GW has really understocked!"...but how many various eBay "stores" and the like have been taking preorders since the box got announced?

Where exactly do you think they get their product if they don't actually have a trade account?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 17:57:11


Post by: Overread


 Kanluwen wrote:
There's always a perception of "GW has really understocked!"...but how many various eBay "stores" and the like have been taking preorders since the box got announced?

Where exactly do you think they get their product if they don't actually have a trade account?


I've not actually seen many in the UK. Granted it might be that they aren't putting up for pre-orders and will only sell once they get stock; and that what few which have appeared have been bought fast


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:09:26


Post by: Marshal Loss


Pretty much everything up for preorder next weekend. Really like that GW aren't dragging it out.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:11:30


Post by: Bubbles420


It all looks incredible and very shocked dropping the whole lot across just two weeks. I suppose with SOB, Necromunda etc they do have lots coming out already.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:12:24


Post by: beast_gts


 Overread wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
There's always a perception of "GW has really understocked!"...but how many various eBay "stores" and the like have been taking preorders since the box got announced?

Where exactly do you think they get their product if they don't actually have a trade account?


I've not actually seen many in the UK. Granted it might be that they aren't putting up for pre-orders and will only sell once they get stock; and that what few which have appeared have been bought fast


One of my FLGSs made a FB post Saturday saying that while GW had sold out, they still had some of their allocation available - but now GW was out there was no guarantee they'd actually get their allocation...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:16:42


Post by: DaveC


Pity the Stormthrone is part of a $100 kit hopefully it will get released later in a smaller kit or I'll have to chase down the parts on ebay/bits sellers. I'm up to my eyes in Stormvaults I don't need any more of them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:17:34


Post by: Ghaz


So do I get the new Ossiarchs next week or the 'Start Collecting: Painting Handles'?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 18:35:15


Post by: Overread


Bubbles420 wrote:
It all looks incredible and very shocked dropping the whole lot across just two weeks. I suppose with SOB, Necromunda etc they do have lots coming out already.


I'm more surprised at how little they dropped in week 1 to be honest. We got a limited print run boxed set; battletome, spells and terrain etc.... The second week is pretty much the ENTIRE army.

It also makes me wonder why they've got this odd policy of having short term duel army sets with characters in them which appear to have production lead times of months to a year before they come around again. It' seems odd and a little bit like GW is testing the waters on how 3rd parties are actually reacting and how it actually affects GW's bottom line. It might be GW is relenting on their fear of the 3rd party market.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 20:11:35


Post by: angel of death 007


 Kanluwen wrote:
There's always a perception of "GW has really understocked!"...but how many various eBay "stores" and the like have been taking preorders since the box got announced?

Where exactly do you think they get their product if they don't actually have a trade account?


When you only make 1000 for worldwide distribution, you are understocking it intentionally to make a false demand. It is a gimmick GW picked up in Carrion empire and have been rolling with.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 20:25:04


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


So where has it been stated they only made 1K?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 20:38:17


Post by: Overread


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So where has it been stated they only made 1K?


I think they are just using that number as a display number. 1K for launch would be a nuts number.



That said GW UK is already sold out of Ogors Warscroll cards! I don't think I've ever seen Warscroll cards sell out that fast before. Normally its a few weeks at least, even for big and popular armies before they vanish.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 20:57:50


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


With the Ogors stuff releasing does that mean we'll possibly get some repackaging of the old kits?

I haven't seen Ironguts or Leadbelchers in the wild for some time. When I do, it's always the WFB versions.

Wouldn't mind them stuffing a few more in the box but that's probably wishful thinking.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 20:57:59


Post by: Kanluwen


 Overread wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So where has it been stated they only made 1K?


I think they are just using that number as a display number. 1K for launch would be a nuts number.



That said GW UK is already sold out of Ogors Warscroll cards! I don't think I've ever seen Warscroll cards sell out that fast before. Normally its a few weeks at least, even for big and popular armies before they vanish.

Cities of Sigmar, Idoneth Deepkin, Daughters of Khaine, and Sylvaneth all sold out that fast here in the US.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 22:14:24


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I know two of my local stores got 10 each.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 23:19:12


Post by: Chikout


Always a lot of conspiracy theories about these box sets. Gw doesn't limit supply to drive up demand , they do it to limit risk.
The last time I remember reading numbers for these sets was that they do a run of 10,000 copies each time. That number may have increased recently but probably not by much.

From gw's point of view it is far better to produce 10,000 copies and sell them all, than to make 20,000 and sell 17,000. These are big boxes that cost a lot to ship and stock. They also take up a lot of shelf space in stores. Gw has had warehouse issues recently. They don't want stuff lying around taking up valuable warehouse space.

There are lots of stories about companies going out of business after making too many copies of something. The landfill full of et games springs to mind. I can't think of a single famous case of a business going bust by selling too few copies of a popular product.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 23:48:32


Post by: H.B.M.C.


That's no excuse. They've been at this for long enough that if they're afraid of making 20,000 and only selling 17,000 then maybe just make 17,000 and sell them all. They know they sell out, so they know they can make sure.

In fact rather than incrementally increasing the prices of these boxes, they could have instead incrementally increased the production runs until they found where they didn't need extra.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 23:50:50


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Increasing price to reduce demand makes a lot of sense though. They may simply lack the production capacity to increase output by that much.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/27 23:58:28


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Why would you want to reduce demand?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 00:07:37


Post by: Overread


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you want to reduce demand?


As he said, GW can't actually produce to meet demand. So they produce fewer boxes and price them higher, working within their production capacity. We might see these short-falls drift away once the new factory comes online. Don't forget we started much of this golden era from GW with massive amounts of models out of stock on even the UK GW website. Plus even now some kits regularly fall out of stock (Cauldron of Blood for Daughters of Khaine - esp overseas from what I've heard).

Since these boxed sets are optional short term releases anyway it doesn't really matter if GW hits the bottom end of their market or the top end - because once they are gone they are gone and thereafter there's only the regularly priced kits to buy.

Honestly I think the real issue is that for some reason GW puts a huge lag time on bringing the unique model in the kit to market. Considering that the mould is made, the model already cast and GW has regular shipments from overseas for all their packing I'm really not sure why they stall it for so long. Esp when you consider that some armies like Flesh-eaters have very little to actually buy from GW. Heck as a faction they are likely only selling Getting Started sets to the majority of their customerbase (esp now that you can make a 6 or so dragon army from the battletome).
If those unique models came out a month or two later then I'm sure many of the complaints would go away.



Also don't forget the new Eldar boxed set was at a higher price, but it still offered discount. The real complaints were from those who didn't want the regular models and who just want the new stuff. They don't want to pay for a high priced box when they only want a small portion of it. This is fuelled by the worry that it might be 6 months or even 12 months before they see some or all of those unique models (to that box) again on the regular market.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 00:08:01


Post by: Sarouan


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you want to reduce demand?


Why indeed. Exponential production can't work forever. And it's better to sell a lesser number to a bigger price than a big number for a lower price, in more than one aspect.


 Overread wrote:

If those unique models came out a month or two later then I'm sure many of the complaints would go away.


But then you lose the exclusive appeal that is behind these boxes. I believe it is artificial here - it is to push the customers to buy impulsively, so that the set number is sold entirely as expected.

This is how limited editions work. If they aren't limited, then it's useless.

You'll say it's unfair for those who weren't able to buy the said model, and you're right. That's why it gives worth to the box sold at that time - if you miss the opportunity, you may have lost it forever. That's why GW is so vague about when (and if) these exclusive models will be sold alone a later date. So that you don't think too much and buy right now. And it is also why GW doesn't like when leaks on a long term release plan appear, because it kills the hype and enable the customer to think more before buying now (especially when they know such and such model/box may be sold later in a more interesting deal).

If for 40k there is a good chance it will be done indeed, for AoS, I have a much bigger doubt. Especially for models like the Tyrant Ogor, when you know the resin ones are still sold on the website.We already have seen one-shot models/games, that disappear forever after a set time. It was an exception before, now it becomes more common. Because it's working.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 17:06:21


Post by: DaveC


UPDATED: This weeks prices GBP USD and EURO now confirmed

Mortisan Boneshaper $30 €22.50 £17.50
Mortisan Soulreaper $30 €22.50 £17.50
Mortisan Soulmason $35 €25 £20
Arch Kavalos Zandtos/Liege-Kavalos $50 €40 £30
Orpheon Katakros $110 €85 £65
Kavalos Deathriders $60 €45 £35
Mortek Guard $60 €45 £35
Necropolis Stalkers/Immortis Guard $50 €40 £30
Gothizzar Harvester $50 €40 £30
Mortek Crawler $80 €65 £50

Dominion of Sigmar Hallowed Stormthrone $100 €80 £60
Dominion of Sigmar Penumbral Stormvault $125 €100 £75


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 17:11:09


Post by: ImAGeek


Those prices seem weirdly reasonable. I expected £80-85 for Katakros.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 17:26:45


Post by: Overread


 Sarouan wrote:

But then you lose the exclusive appeal that is behind these boxes. I believe it is artificial here - it is to push the customers to buy impulsively, so that the set number is sold entirely as expected.

This is how limited editions work. If they aren't limited, then it's useless.


Thing is these aren't limited editions, just limited production stock. The rules are in the Battletome, the model is released and gamers and 3rd parties know what it looks like and the time left between release and GW going to retail is long enough for industrious 3rd parties to get other sculpts out there to compete. Furthermore the longer they are off sale the more likely people buy overpriced ebay options which means GW is losing money to resales.

Furthermore GW doesn't need exclusives to sell heavily discounted boxes anyway; they sell really well on their own. In fact the only one that hasn't sold out is Wrath and Rapture which is an enigma unless GW produced an insane volume because it was cross brand (40K and AoS). It's not even "last chance"


Plus once you start talking about a year or so between box and model release that's not a small amount of time; that's a huge amount of time for a limited release model, most of which sold out in the first month. That's 11 months that GW isn't selling a brand new model; 11 months of resales and 3rd parties getting a field day to profit on GW; whilst GW has the model ready to go and just has to box it up.


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Post by: Galas


45€ for 10 "Basic" even if a little elite small infantry... We have breached the 40€ for 10 (Something seen as very crazy) of Witch Elves or Namartii Reavers, etc...

But the rest are nearly reasonable.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 17:37:18


Post by: DaveC


 Galas wrote:
45€ for 10 "Basic" even if a little elite small infantry... We have breached the 40€ for 10 (Something seen as very crazy) of Witch Elves or Namartii Reavers, etc...

But the rest are nearly reasonable.


The preview image shows 20 but it wouldn't be the first time they got the images wrong.

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 17:38:28


Post by: Overread


I believe on the GW facebook one of the staff has confirmed its boxes of 20 (or at least used words "it looks like it" which from a community rep should mean yes its 20


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 18:05:31


Post by: LunarSol


 Sarouan wrote:

But then you lose the exclusive appeal that is behind these boxes. I believe it is artificial here - it is to push the customers to buy impulsively, so that the set number is sold entirely as expected.


GW has a bit of a bind in this regard. Remember that we're not really GWs customers; retailers via distributors are. At the moment, minis are just a terrible product for retailers, who have no real means of competing with online shops for either selection or price. They really have no incentive to support minis beyond their own passion to do so. No small part of GWs resurgence is because they create a minis product that reliable sells out. That's the appeal for retailers. They don't even necessarily care what the contents are; Dark Imperium is largely indistinguishable from Tooth and Claw for example. If box sets sit on shelves, retailers stop ordering the new ones. That's kind of the easy thing to forget here. Game stores don't have to carry GW stuff and currently, its actually pretty detrimental for them to do so outside of the stuff that sells out.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 18:09:19


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


 Galas wrote:
45€ for 10 "Basic" even if a little elite small infantry... We have breached the 40€ for 10 (Something seen as very crazy) of Witch Elves or Namartii Reavers, etc...

But the rest are nearly reasonable.


20, so about £1.50 a piece. Sounds decent to me.
Also, when was the last time we got a monster piece around £30? That's the bigger surprise with the Harvester there.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 18:11:00


Post by: Galas


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Galas wrote:
45€ for 10 "Basic" even if a little elite small infantry... We have breached the 40€ for 10 (Something seen as very crazy) of Witch Elves or Namartii Reavers, etc...

But the rest are nearly reasonable.


20, so about £1.50 a piece. Sounds decent to me.
Also, when was the last time we got a monster piece around £30? That's the bigger surprise with the Harvester there.


I'll take back my words then. If they are in fact 20 for 45€ thats a great price not seen since the Kairic Acolytes at 20 for 40€.

Really can someone explain me AoS pricing logic? You have releases with sensibles prices like Tzeentch Arcanites and this one and then you have crazy stuff.
And I mean even in points they are similar to many other 10-man 40€ boxes, and is not like their kits are less complex.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 18:28:15


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Those are actually reasonable prices, especially if it is 20 per box. The Harvester too. I expected upwards of 60+ usd.

Then again looking at the preview battalions and the numbers of models each one uses, things are going to get pretty expensive fast if you want to play any of those...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 18:30:32


Post by: Kanluwen


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Those are actually reasonable prices, especially if it is 20 per box. The Harvester too. I expected upwards of 60+ usd.

Then again looking at the preview battalions and the numbers of models each one uses, things are going to get pretty expensive fast if you want to play any of those...

Only if you want to do the numbers in question.

Take the Kavalos Lance, for example. It's a hero and 2+ units of the cavalry, with no mention of a limitation on unit sizes.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 19:29:02


Post by: judgedoug


GW US Nov 2

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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 19:32:27


Post by: Overread


Red handle seems oddly priced - sure you get 1 more but its still more than the 5 pack of black handles. Also the painting pot stand has a totally different price to the leak we saw. So there's justification that details on the leaked excel document are not fully accurate/detailed.




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 19:39:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


pretty sure the red handles are one run and that's it as a bit of Xmas fun so have a higher cost than the normal black ones


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 20:31:39


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I was expecting $50 for 10 Mortek Guard, $60 for 20 is a pretty good price for models of that quality.

GW put up an article with three thematic lists, effectively saying they aren't tourney-tier but good for regular play. And credit where credit is due; they are. The catapult list is pushing it with just one hero at 2000 points but overall the three lists are solid and someone who built along those lines would not have trouble doing well save a competitive meta.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 21:36:07


Post by: Overread


I like them as well, heck their cavalry list is close to what I was envisioning eventually making. Two blocks of 15 Deathriders and then one block of 5 for battleline tax and to have a roaming small group.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 22:25:57


Post by: Ghaz


 Overread wrote:
Also the painting pot stand has a totally different price to the leak we saw.

Unless this is the individual retail price and the other is for a minimum order of six stands (or sets thereof).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 23:13:18


Post by: Chikout


Those Bonereaper prices are less than I was expecting, especially the Harvester and Katakros himself. Maybe they are smaller than they look.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 23:18:45


Post by: Overread


Chikout wrote:
Those Bonereaper prices are less than I was expecting, especially the Harvester and Katakros himself. Maybe they are smaller than they look.


Harvester is smaller - if you look at the photos its closer to a carnifex or dreadnought - which honestly is still plenty big but "modest" by today's standards. Meanwhile the crawler looks to be huge, though will have a variable height depending in what position you put the arm. I'm hoping it might even be possible to practically magnetize the joining spot for the arm so that you can move it into different firing positions. For transport arm down is best, then during the game having it up in the air firing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 23:29:38


Post by: Binabik15


Are the cav skellis 3 or 5 to a box? 20 skellies would be a good enough proce and I'll get a harvester to use as...something, but 45 for 3 cav when your sample list has 35 of them would be, uh, fun. The catapult being so expensive is not a surprise, but still a bummer, if it was cheaper I'd get one as a more knightly plagueclaw count-as.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/28 23:33:28


Post by: DaveC


 Binabik15 wrote:
Are the cav skellis 3 or 5 to a box? 20 skellies would be a good enough proce and I'll get a harvester to use as...something, but 45 for 3 cav when your sample list has 35 of them would be, uh, fun. The catapult being so expensive is not a surprise, but still a bummer, if it was cheaper I'd get one as a more knightly plagueclaw count-as.


Looks like 5 - 5 shown in the preorder image and all 5 mounts are different.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 03:18:05


Post by: angel of death 007


Chikout wrote:
Always a lot of conspiracy theories about these box sets. Gw doesn't limit supply to drive up demand , they do it to limit risk.
The last time I remember reading numbers for these sets was that they do a run of 10,000 copies each time. That number may have increased recently but probably not by much.

From gw's point of view it is far better to produce 10,000 copies and sell them all, than to make 20,000 and sell 17,000. These are big boxes that cost a lot to ship and stock. They also take up a lot of shelf space in stores. Gw has had warehouse issues recently. They don't want stuff lying around taking up valuable warehouse space.

There are lots of stories about companies going out of business after making too many copies of something. The landfill full of et games springs to mind. I can't think of a single famous case of a business going bust by selling too few copies of a popular product.


Sorry to say I think your estimate is inaccurate. Look at their limited edition stuff, usually under 1000 units. I think you would be surprised at the actual number of units GW makes of these not limited/ yet limited release sets. I bet you GW won't answer that one for a reason. They use it as a gimmick and a cheap gauge to see how much of additional units they need to produce for said army.

There is no way GW had 10000 of these to sell look at the pure math. Selling out in less then an hour at most countries I dunno. While I think there are 10,000 people out there who would drop the money on the set, I don't think GW produces it. It is more of a loss for them anyway as it is more of a gimmick to drive up sales and prices. It works well. Driving up the prices of the box and making people believe they get a deal, causes them to sell out. They release contents of box and now can raise the prices as they already got your mind set that it is a savings reguardless of the prices they charge. And you have to buy it or else you can't get it again. So rather then people boycotting them, they get into a panic that i need it. Thus filling GW's pockets, not on the box set.. but on all the other purchases the box set mania creates. GW is like a kardasian, they can be rediculous as they want but cause anything they sell to turn to gold. It is pretty sick to be honest but true how easy the consumer is to manipulate. Create a little fake demand and people go crazy. It is the let 10 people in line in the club effect, so the masses wait outside the doors. Smoke and mirrors. Create the demand, however you can, through lack of supply is a great economical way... then you can charge what you want.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 04:00:07


Post by: Sqorgar


There's no way this box had a print run of more than a few thousand. 10,000 boxes would be obscene. You'd be tripping over stacks of them on clearance in every Warhammer store and comic book shop.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 05:38:19


Post by: ImAGeek


 Overread wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Those Bonereaper prices are less than I was expecting, especially the Harvester and Katakros himself. Maybe they are smaller than they look.


Harvester is smaller - if you look at the photos its closer to a carnifex or dreadnought - which honestly is still plenty big but "modest" by today's standards. Meanwhile the crawler looks to be huge, though will have a variable height depending in what position you put the arm. I'm hoping it might even be possible to practically magnetize the joining spot for the arm so that you can move it into different firing positions. For transport arm down is best, then during the game having it up in the air firing.


You can build your Mortek Crawler in a loading or firing position, or, if you like, leave the arm free to pivot on its own.


From the pre-order preview article.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 05:51:34


Post by: Chikout


 Sqorgar wrote:
There's no way this box had a print run of more than a few thousand. 10,000 boxes would be obscene. You'd be tripping over stacks of them on clearance in every Warhammer store and comic book shop.

Not at all. Gw has more than 500 stores world wide and a much larger number of independent stockists. That means less than 10 copies each leaving 0 for gw online.
Element games in the UK shares their stock numbers. They got 200 copies, so we know some places got way more than 10 copies.
Another way to look at it is that gw made £240 million last year not counting royalties. That an average of 41,000 Mawtribes per week.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 06:31:34


Post by: angel of death 007


Chikout wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
There's no way this box had a print run of more than a few thousand. 10,000 boxes would be obscene. You'd be tripping over stacks of them on clearance in every Warhammer store and comic book shop.

Not at all. Gw has more than 500 stores world wide and a much larger number of independent stockists. That means less than 10 copies each leaving 0 for gw online.
Element games in the UK shares their stock numbers. They got 200 copies, so we know some places got way more than 10 copies.
Another way to look at it is that gw made £240 million last year not counting royalties. That an average of 41,000 Mawtribes per week.


Well with looncurse they each got 2. A lot of vendors canceled their 100 plus preorders... most of the ones who sale online. So I highly doubt most stores got 10. Maybe some of the bigger stores in certain locations.

200 orders is not 200 copies. GW didn't care about fulfilling orders before and they won't now. The idea isn't to sell as many as they can, it is to sell X amount and make sure they sell out as fast as possible to get people to buy more and so they can justify price increases... All gimmics. Any other place that failed as miserable as GW did in fulfilling preorders for Carrion Empire wouldn't have heads after what happenend with Looncurse, unless it was intentional.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 09:16:56


Post by: Binabik15


 DaveC wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
Are the cav skellis 3 or 5 to a box? 20 skellies would be a good enough proce and I'll get a harvester to use as...something, but 45 for 3 cav when your sample list has 35 of them would be, uh, fun. The catapult being so expensive is not a surprise, but still a bummer, if it was cheaper I'd get one as a more knightly plagueclaw count-as.


Looks like 5 - 5 shown in the preorder image and all 5 mounts are different.


Wow, I managed to completely overlook that article between all those faction previews and other pieces about the bonedudes.

With 5 to a box I might get a box one day for more exotic mounts for Nurgle knights.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 09:24:14


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'm wondering if the trebuchets legs might work on a plagueburst crawler hull, will be interested to see how the sizes match up when the local store gets them in


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 13:08:10


Post by: GaroRobe


Was reading the article Bonereaper list building and at the bottom was this gem:

"Help”, your enemies will cry, “I want to get off Mr Arkhan’s Wild Ride”.

I never thought I'd see the day when the Warhammer Community site references a meme, especially something kind of obscure like Mr. Bone's Wild Ride. Its nice to see GW having more fun with these articles.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 13:30:08


Post by: Cataphract


GaroRobe wrote:
Was reading the article Bonereaper list building and at the bottom was this gem:

"Help”, your enemies will cry, “I want to get off Mr Arkhan’s Wild Ride”.

I never thought I'd see the day when the Warhammer Community site references a meme, especially something kind of obscure like Mr. Bone's Wild Ride. Its nice to see GW having more fun with these articles.


I thought they were referencing Mr Toad’s Wild Ride


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 17:15:29


Post by: GaroRobe


Cataphract wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
Was reading the article Bonereaper list building and at the bottom was this gem:

"Help”, your enemies will cry, “I want to get off Mr Arkhan’s Wild Ride”.

I never thought I'd see the day when the Warhammer Community site references a meme, especially something kind of obscure like Mr. Bone's Wild Ride. Its nice to see GW having more fun with these articles.


I thought they were referencing Mr Toad’s Wild Ride


I highly recommend going through Mr. Bone's wild ride:
https://imgur.com/gallery/Wxzbl


I do like the look of the Arkhan list. I'm not big on the core skeleton units, but they don't look terrible when they lack noses. And I like the harvesters. They're derpy but not the worst thing this army has.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 18:07:41


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


GaroRobe wrote:
Was reading the article Bonereaper list building and at the bottom was this gem:

"Help”, your enemies will cry, “I want to get off Mr Arkhan’s Wild Ride”.

I never thought I'd see the day when the Warhammer Community site references a meme, especially something kind of obscure like Mr. Bone's Wild Ride. Its nice to see GW having more fun with these articles.


Obscure? That meme is a classic. Much better than stupid fortnite dances and 420 blaze it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/10/29 20:21:53


Post by: GoatboyBeta


New WHC article about Bonereaper tactics
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/29/ossiarch-bonereapers-tactics-from-a-progw-homepage-post-2/
Which mainly leaves me with the big question of "where the heck is my bone fortress?"


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 00:58:22


Post by: nels1031


New terrain, some of which we haven’t seen before.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/31/happy-halloween/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 01:50:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Although it looks like something that should be on sale, I think that it was revealed a while back that this was just studio-made stuff and not for general release.

Sadly...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 03:11:44


Post by: Ghaz


 nels1031 wrote:
New terrain, some of which we haven’t seen before.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/31/happy-halloween/

On Facebook they've said it was built by their Armies and Battlefields team. It's not new terrain kits.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 03:34:59


Post by: nels1031


Ah snap


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 16:03:18


Post by: Cataphract


Looks like tomorrow we will be seeing details on the STD releases given their AOS FB Page just put up the Chaos Undivided Star...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 22:57:49


Post by: aracersss


fresh from bation games (twitter: @games_bastion)



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 23:02:05


Post by: Tiberius501


What the hell is that majestic beast?!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 23:21:09


Post by: Overread


I have no idea but I want one (at least). I just really hope I can use it in a Slaanesh/Slaves army!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 23:39:51


Post by: skullking


That Humanoid with the horns looks like the Ogre Thamaturge, so I hope it's some more of those, and not a new design for Warhammer Minotaurs (they need to not have such a human face IMO). That 'elegant beast' doesn't seem very chaotic. Looks more elven, or perhaps Sylvan (wood Elfy)? Perhaps both are for some new army based on the Kurnothi Hunters from Beastgrave?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/01 23:48:17


Post by: Tiberius501


The Ogroid looks 100% chaos, but I also agree that the majestic champius creature of glory could potentially be Light Aelf which would make me cream slightly. I really hope it’s not just for some random side game.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 00:35:39


Post by: Ghaz


Note that these are most likely Warcry releases:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/30/warcry-the-future-of-the-eightpoints/



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 05:17:14


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Well the ogroid is literally on the cover, so that answers that...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 05:17:43


Post by: Tiberius501


:C


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 07:29:04


Post by: ImAGeek


They’re definitely Warcry releases, one of the uncropped photos shows ‘new Warcry Monsters revealed!’ as the video title.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 14:58:55


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


weren't there supposed to be reveals this weekend?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 15:02:55


Post by: Overread


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
weren't there supposed to be reveals this weekend?


There's two photos of new beasties doing the rounds from a video that went up and then was taken down/hidden very fast on the GW youtube channel.

The reveals event this evening is 9pm GMT so its a good few hours off yet. Though we fully expect to see a LOT of slaves to darkness stuff. (possibly more than GW might have wanted to say/show but in light of the major leak that's taken place many now know the slaves are coming)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 15:38:52


Post by: GaroRobe


The beasties are warcry related though. Could still be a slaves to darkness reveal, but so far, nothing leaked.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 16:07:10


Post by: Arbitrator


GaroRobe wrote:
The beasties are warcry related though.

Nothing they couldn't slap into the StD book.

We'll definitely be getting a Battletome reveal just because the leaked release list has proven accurate thus far.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 16:08:27


Post by: Overread


GaroRobe wrote:
The beasties are warcry related though. Could still be a slaves to darkness reveal, but so far, nothing leaked.


So far all the Warcry models are Slaves to Darkness too - so even if its marketed for Warcry it also fits into Slaves (which is why even if they don't get anything at launch its still going to be a big update to their range)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 16:09:03


Post by: GaroRobe


At the very least, that Ogroid is going to be a Daemon Prince. Perfect model


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 16:38:56


Post by: timetowaste85


Agreed. Khorne Daemon Prince, specifically!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 17:10:44


Post by: ImAGeek


 Overread wrote:
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
weren't there supposed to be reveals this weekend?


There's two photos of new beasties doing the rounds from a video that went up and then was taken down/hidden very fast on the GW youtube channel.

The reveals event this evening is 9pm GMT so its a good few hours off yet. Though we fully expect to see a LOT of slaves to darkness stuff. (possibly more than GW might have wanted to say/show but in light of the major leak that's taken place many now know the slaves are coming)


9:30 GMT


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 17:43:30


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Love that we’re seeing new beasties.

Chaos needs it’s Gribblies, otherwise it’s just Barbaric Bungholes Wiv Pointy Bits!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 17:47:38


Post by: Yodhrin


A bit behind the trend, but I'm wondering - is there a rough eta on when the Ogre Tyrant from the boxed set will be available separately? Even just speculation based on previous instances of the "new character in a box full of old stuff" things.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 18:05:01


Post by: Kanluwen


Unfortunately, these things seem to just happen. Sometimes they happen sooner rather than later--sometimes they wait for a release slot that lines up with the thing in question.

I'd guess maybe next summer at the earliest though.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 18:08:28


Post by: Sasori


 Yodhrin wrote:
A bit behind the trend, but I'm wondering - is there a rough eta on when the Ogre Tyrant from the boxed set will be available separately? Even just speculation based on previous instances of the "new character in a box full of old stuff" things.


Probably a long time. Some of the models like the Guardian of Souls from Soul wars is still not an individual clampack.

Nothing from Carrion Empire or Loon Curse has had it's individual clampack made available yet either.

Sadly, if you want to use it anytime soon you have to pick up one form FoB or try to Ebay it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 18:11:42


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Just for completion, Carrion Empire was released in mid-February, and as said those characters have not yet appeared as individual releases. So yeah - it could be a while.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 18:12:29


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Seems to be about 6 months to a year, with a significant chance of never too

long enough that if you actually want one grabbing it from ebay makes sense


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 19:33:00


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Didn't Karanak and the Slaaneshi character come out pretty quickly?

Sure seemed like Karanak did.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 19:38:00


Post by: Overread


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Didn't Karanak and the Slaaneshi character come out pretty quickly?

Sure seemed like Karanak did.


I think so however its really random. GW releases some faster and some its almost as if they've forgotten about them. Honestly whilst the Skaven Warlock I can somewhat understand tehre being less faction pressure for; the Arch Regent I would have thought would have come out very fast considering that, at present, Flesh Eaters have a tiny roster of models (and even smaller if you consider that many people likely get the bulk of their army through start collecting sets).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:34:26


Post by: Geifer


I don't know if this is true for every last model, but it seems to me that a box comes some time prior to its army book release, the associated model comes out in a timely manner with the book. Whereas a box released alongside or after the army book doesn't present such an opportunity and the individual model release doesn't happen quickly or predictably.

The Daemon characters or Necron Cryptek would be an example of the former, the Carrion Empire and Looncurse models of the latter.

Which if close enough to the truth doesn't bode well for the ogre character and it may be worth looking at getting it second hand instead of waiting on GW to act.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:38:19


Post by: Kanluwen


They're heckin' gorgeous.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:38:53


Post by: ImAGeek


They are really cool. Great modern take on the classic chaos warriors.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:38:57


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Hang on a sec is that a SC box full of new models?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:39:37


Post by: ImAGeek


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hang on a sec is that a SC box full of new models?


Yep!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:39:53


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Those are really nice looking.

When I was looking at the new Ossiarch book there was artwork of them fighting chaos knights. The knights in the photo looked little like the old ones- because they're totally these new ones!

Crap, and this is all on top of more Ossiarchs coming too!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:39:54


Post by: Kanluwen


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hang on a sec is that a SC box full of new models?

YUP.

Explains why there's a new one coming.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:43:16


Post by: Ghaz


The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:43:35


Post by: DaveC


Yep that will the one released on the 14th of December.

Great update of the Chaos Warriors keeps the old design but updates them and makes them more dynamic.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:44:04


Post by: Marshal Loss


DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:44:59


Post by: Chaplain Pallantide


Wow...so amazing! I want them like yesterday!!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:45:53


Post by: Scrub


Slaves to dankness, here I come! Maybe there are dark gods? Something's been listening to my prayers!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:46:54


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


And here we see the design advantage of AoS over WHFB. Simply, you can sculpt models to look Fighty, rather than Ranky.

That these are absolute amazing is just a significant bonus!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:47:11


Post by: Sotahullu


 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models


Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:50:35


Post by: Kanluwen


Sotahullu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models


Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:50:39


Post by: Starfarer


Overall those are some fantastic models, but I don't get why AOS needs to creat a new vaguely dragon-esque monster thing for every hero mount. They even seem to be mocking the genericness of it in the teaser by even calling it "whatever that thing is".


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:52:21


Post by: Overread


Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:54:55


Post by: Alpharius


 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?

But yes, they are nice looking models...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:56:16


Post by: Obispudkenobi


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And here we see the design advantage of AoS over WHFB. Simply, you can sculpt models to look Fighty, rather than Ranky.

That these are absolute amazing is just a significant bonus!



Ally Morrison spoke about this exact thing on the Storm cast pod cast a few weeks /months back, about how restrictive sculpting for Warhammer fantasy was due to rank and file , I believe chaos knights were mentioned or at least hinted at as difficult due to the size on the models Vs the base size


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:59:21


Post by: DaveC


So the Start Collecting Slaves to Darkness is $95 £60 €80 from the leaked release list. I guess I need to put £48 aside then (no more armies starts next year right? plus it's adding to not starting)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 21:59:46


Post by: Ghaz


 Kanluwen wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models


Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.

Making the assumption that the new Warriors are on 32mm bases, I'd agree with that...



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:01:47


Post by: Arbitrator


Those actually look fantastic.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:02:32


Post by: Sotahullu


 Ghaz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models


Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.

Making the assumption that the new Warriors are on 32mm bases, I'd agree with that...



Do note those are Varanguard horsies, not knights. Only knigh is behind the lord on crock.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:07:32


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


What’s doing it for me is the curve on the shields of the Warriors.

It’s far more pronounced, making them look better designed for parrying blows, than simply absorbing them.

It’s a very small touch, but having done LARP fighting with sword and board, and knowing how much better it is to turn a blow than outright block it, I very much appreciate it.

What’s that? LARP fighting isn’t real?

Yeah. I know.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:12:15


Post by: Overread


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s doing it for me is the curve on the shields of the Warriors.

It’s far more pronounced, making them look better designed for parrying blows, than simply absorbing them.

It’s a very small touch, but having done LARP fighting with sword and board, and knowing how much better it is to turn a blow than outright block it, I very much appreciate it.

What’s that? LARP fighting isn’t real?

Yeah. I know.


You know what else is neat - if you look at the shield arm of the new Bonereapers for the small Mortek Guard they've got not just back detail to the shield; not just arm detail; but an actual grip and supporting strap. For detail that is going to be hidden much of the time that's really great. A huge difference to, say, the skaven ones where its just a round shield with hardly any back detail


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:13:11


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Yup. Very nice touches all round.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:17:39


Post by: Tiberius501


Oh my god they are so cool! Archaon Cometh!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:22:33


Post by: Starfarer


 Overread wrote:
Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.


It's less that they ride a mythical beast, heroes in Warhammer have pretty much always done that. It's just that literally every one is a different beast, and the only one of that type in the range.

I guess maybe they make mention of the beasts in the lore, I don't really follow AOS outside the model releases, so I don't know. But it's from that outsider perspective that it comes across as "new generic beast" when every mount for every faction is different in some nominal way, but largely is just a hulking slightly reptilian thing with nothing particularly cool or special about any of them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:22:51


Post by: Overread


So with the new starting set we can certainly see the old warriors (and their great weapons and halbard expansions) as well as the knights vanish from the GW store. Do we think the lord on manticore might follow? I'd have not thought so but GW did remove a lot of new modern plastics with High Elves; and the lord on manticore is another lord on beast.

Personally I'd have thought it would remain and the finecast lord on demonic mount would go instead.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:26:06


Post by: Binabik15


Oh my, oh my, I need to finish my other Nurgle knights before those hit. My Order of the Fly army is HAPPY (and now might have better rules, too). If I get 2 SCs I'd have 20 knights and 3 Varanguard, but 20 Chaos warriors are a must, sooo.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:36:30


Post by: GaroRobe


The Untamed beast show up in the trailer for slaves to darkness


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:37:23


Post by: Rogerio134134


I literally had zero interest in age of sigmar but now I really want a slaves to darkness army... Amazing models


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:39:27


Post by: DaveC


GaroRobe wrote:
The Untamed beast show up in the trailer for slaves to darkness


There's also an Iron Golem front left in that artwork.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:39:45


Post by: drbored


I'm real pleased that they're putting all of these new models into the start collecting. That's pretty great, not gunna lie. It'll make it that much easier to start a big army of these guys right off the bat.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:40:55


Post by: Insane Ivan


Are those the first actual horses sculpted for AoS?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:46:44


Post by: Marshal Loss


 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?


....that was the joke

 Starfarer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.


It's less that they ride a mythical beast, heroes in Warhammer have pretty much always done that. It's just that literally every one is a different beast, and the only one of that type in the range.

I guess maybe they make mention of the beasts in the lore, I don't really follow AOS outside the model releases, so I don't know. But it's from that outsider perspective that it comes across as "new generic beast" when every mount for every faction is different in some nominal way, but largely is just a hulking slightly reptilian thing with nothing particularly cool or special about any of them.


You're not wrong, when they announced the Bonethingy dude on mount they described him as a "dark mirror for the Lord Celestant"- amusingly the exact same words they used here


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 22:58:09


Post by: Alpharius


 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?


....that was the joke



Sure...

Anyway, hopefully we get real rules for the Big 4 in there too, as well as being able to mix in daemons?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:03:29


Post by: Souleater


Well...bugger...this morning I was feeling really pleased that I had cut myself down to just three AoS armies...

...then GW drop these beauties.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:04:24


Post by: Marshal Loss


 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?


....that was the joke



Sure...


Talk about a lost cause


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:08:08


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Oh feth yes.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:11:54


Post by: Soulless


The chaos warriors looks fantastic! Makes me wanna start an AoS army just to collect them!

But is every new faction tanky elites?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:12:46


Post by: Alpharius


 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?


....that was the joke



Sure...


Talk about a lost cause


Agreed.

Also agree with the sentiment of ‘damn, now I want to start another AoS army!’


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:16:55


Post by: Overread


Soulless wrote:
The chaos warriors looks fantastic! Makes me wanna start an AoS army just to collect them!

But is every new faction tanky elites?


Nope.
Even Chaos isn't purely tanky elites. Warriors, knights and varangaurd are; but they've got the warcry warbands and marauders and monsters like the furies which are all swarmy type units. So Chaos can be a full elite army; or can go regular size with elite support or even dump most of the elite and go for an en-mass swarm of models.

Skaven are the traditional swarmy army, though again with their large range of models they can diversify as well. Seraphon are the same. Even some of the smaller range armies can do it really well. Flesh Eater Courts can either be a massive swarm of ghouls and summoning more ghouls or you can load up and take 6 or so zombiedragons/terrorgiests into battle instead (which is good because with that army you'd likely expand it by mostly buying getting-started sets. So o nthe way to building a swarm of ghouls you'd be building an elite force of dragons).


You've got some armies like Stormcast which are mostly elite and armies like Ossiarchs where they are fully elite.


I've not even touched on the Gloomspite Gitz and demonic armies and such.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:41:38


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Those look very cool.

But... they're all going to inter mingled on a single big sprue (or two sprues). These are like the Vanguard and Shadowspear Chaos minis, right?

This is the future of Start Collecting! boxes. Unique minis that exist only in that box, and aren't even multi-part in GW's current limited multi-part manner?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:47:20


Post by: Sasori


Hot Damn, those new sculpts are awesome.

The new Warcry models are sweet too!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:48:46


Post by: Souleater


@HMBC Quite possibly. Your first box is a picnic basket of lovely models...but folks will be less likely to load up on multiple boxes, instead (or GW hopes) moving onto multi part kits. This is guesswork on my part.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:49:47


Post by: Voss


Some nice new models there. Chaos wins, at least in fantasy.

I don't quite like the detailed eyes under the helms (that's going to be a pain to paint), but those are very very nice models, a welcome relief from the monopose warriors.

And the formorian, ogre and llama-sphinx are great additions to the chaos line as well (though I don't really like the alternate head to the llama-sphinx).

That they're in a Start Collecting, all together... that's really tempting, and a huge surprise given how things have been going the last couple months.

Best preview, may well buy in.



Obispudkenobi wrote:

Ally Morrison spoke about this exact thing on the Storm cast pod cast a few weeks /months back, about how restrictive sculpting for Warhammer fantasy was due to rank and file , I believe chaos knights were mentioned or at least hinted at as difficult due to the size on the models Vs the base size

It was a definite problem assembling and ranking them. You had to very carefully position each horse on the bases (and in a specific order) to get them to rank up at all. Unlike the warriors, the old knights were great models, but they were problematic.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/02 23:51:33


Post by: Overread


I'd remind people that Reapers don't have any inter-mingled models. Granted they don't have a Start Collecting set, but they don't have any intermingled sprues.

So we don't know at all if those models are going to be placed on the same sprue or not for the new Chaos Start Collecting set. I would think it odd for GW to go back to than when its burned them in the past (all that money spend on Island of Blood moulds - all those sculpts now lost)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:10:18


Post by: Eldarain


They seem to have taken the lesson not to intermix different factions on the same sprues.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:13:53


Post by: SeanDrake


 Insane Ivan wrote:
Are those the first actual horses sculpted for AoS?


Nope there not horses they are likely sesroh


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:21:54


Post by: Lockark


These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.

For a moment I was really excited that a new Chaos Warrior kit might include halberds and Great weapons in plastic. But then realized that is probably not the case.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:27:58


Post by: Marshal Loss


The warriors come with different head options at least (can see them on the back of the box), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they might get some weapon options

I'm just hoping the new warriors/knights (etc) match the scale of the old ones


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:31:52


Post by: usernamesareannoying


Now if they would just replace the marauders


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:35:20


Post by: Yodhrin


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And here we see the design advantage of AoS over WHFB. Simply, you can sculpt models to look Fighty, rather than Ranky.

That these are absolute amazing is just a significant bonus!


The only problem there being if you need a lot of them in your army, you end up with loads of guys all striking exactly the same set of 10 poses, which is more noticeable to my eye when all those poses are unique and action-y than if it's just blocks of blokes all marching.

Anyway, I hope they're still a bit Ranky, because those new Warriors will make excellent Chosen providing you can stand them in a couple of lines on 25mm squares without looking daft.

Like all the AoS releases that broadly stick to the classic faction aesthetics, they're very nice. In fact the only thing I dislike about them is now I'll have to completely rework my hobby spending to move next year's planned Chaos purchases forward just in case the classic Knights & Warriors vanish.

Do we think the other STD stuff will be getting reboxes and going back into regular circulation? I'm wavering on whether I need to grab an extra Chariot and a Warshrine now with the small discount third party stores can give on Direct Only items, or if they'd end up being cheaper even after the inevitable price increase that would accompany a rebox/rerelease.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 00:46:36


Post by: Alpharius


I’d almost say get what you can now before it (might) disappear and/or (almost certainly) go up in price.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:17:26


Post by: Danny76


 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD


Eh, phrasing?


....that was the joke



Sure...


Talk about a lost cause


Well I thought it was clear it was a joke considering ‘time for me to get a Slaves To Darkness’ doesn't make sense, only the shortened format (making it funny)..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:19:13


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Those look very cool.

But... they're all going to inter mingled on a single big sprue (or two sprues). These are like the Vanguard and Shadowspear Chaos minis, right?

This is the future of Start Collecting! boxes. Unique minis that exist only in that box, and aren't even multi-part in GW's current limited multi-part manner?


Dont see why they would waste the sprue budget. All 10 warriors and 5 knights are unique, no sets of twins that would mean a doubled sprue. Most of the starter style have paired sprues with a mix of basic troops, then a third unique sprue for the unit leaders and specialist.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:20:24


Post by: Alpharius


That’s a good point.

I’m with HBMC too though - I want more multi-part variety!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:21:38


Post by: Danny76


 Lockark wrote:
These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.

For a moment I was really excited that a new Chaos Warrior kit might include halberds and Great weapons in plastic. But then realized that is probably not the case.


How many SC’s have been a bunch of ShadowSpear monopose models? None I know of.
(Obviously some sets, like SS or the AoS ones, have been made into SC boxes, but that’s ontinuing purpose).

I mean for sure they could be like the Death Guard and many other kits that are limited options and funny stick together set ups etc.
But I doubt it is monopose like a starter box.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I don’t know why you’re convinced the SC boxes are going that way now, just because two have come out that’s making use of a set that was like it (I mean why waste the mould).

They did that with the AoS starter Khorne and Stormcast, yet loads of SC have come out since with the normal kits etc..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:26:41


Post by: Voss


 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Now if they would just replace the marauders


I'm leaning toward the Warcry bands being the marauder replacements.
Unless there is another reveal soon.

Frankly, they could do with more characters and monsters. The webstore section for StD is pretty thin, and a fair number of those entries are redundant or pointless with the new kits, or old and not looking so good.
About the only kit I'd keep from the old range are the marauder horsemen.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 01:50:13


Post by: EnTyme


To quote Albus Dumbledore: This is beyond anything I could have imagined. I'm not sure that the Knights kit really needed an update, but I'm not going to complain. I'm not even mad that I already have 40 fully-painted Chaos Warriors that will soon be replaced. This all looks incredible!

usernamesareannoying wrote:Now if they would just replace the marauders


I swear I'm the only one who actually likes the old marauder kit.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 04:49:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Lockark wrote:
These new Chaos Warriors are being released as a start collecting set, witch makes me think this is going to be shadow spear monopose models.
They 100% will be. And I think that's the way Start Collecting!'s will go from now on.

Damned shame, especially considering what Battleforces used to be...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 05:03:01


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Those multi-pose bonereapers in the most recent box set release certainly speak to a continuing* trend towards exclusively mono-build releases.

*Fictional

Seriously guys, it's one preview image. There will be plenty of time to criticize posing once we actually know what the posing is!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 05:27:20


Post by: Carlovonsexron


I'm so happy slaves to darkness is coming! Its finally a main game release* that I can look forward to!

*Not that I actually play...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Now if they would just replace the marauders


Who knows if it will be sooner than later, but I would bet that the Dark Oaths time will come, and when they do they will replace the marauder and marauder horsemen.

I'll be happy, save that I think the marauder horseman kit has some of my favorite heads and spearheads in the whole GW catalogue. (I dislike the rest of the kit, but I will miss those elements dearly when it finally bites the dust)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 06:30:13


Post by: CMLR


Ok. I'm all over for those Warriors.

But I'm 50/50 for the Knights. Poses are great, but I still like the previous cavalry armour a lot more. Also, those lances are a no-no for me.

Also also, no banners, no musician? Wonder which rules they will change. Hoope we still have all the weapons options.

I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. But what makes the news for me is that bloody Chaos dewback. Can't wait to see SW conversions.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 06:40:54


Post by: Voss


Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 07:16:09


Post by: jake


 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .


Theres a photo with a helmet option.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:09:33


Post by: Chopstick


The spear-tip lance is atrocious., a normal lance would be too flat for the sculptor, so he put a spear tip there instead.

The classic glaives on Chaos knight would be fine.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:14:25


Post by: Umbros



They are push fit I'm told by someone at the seminar.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:30:21


Post by: CMLR


Voss wrote:
Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.


I just don't find Chaos Knights as fond of jousting as the EMpire or Brets.

 jake wrote:
 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .


Theres a photo with a helmet option.


Lmao, totally missed it.

I'm a bit worried about prices, tho.

- Chaos Knights were in packs of 5 in 8E. Then they are in packs of 10 since AoS at the same price (or almost, I don't really remember. I do remember Bloodcrushers came in packs of 3, now on 6, and cost exactly the same, which is a real good deal). Are they going to cost more now for half the packages now? because the picture has only 5, and while the SC! bundle has also 5, I wonder if we are going to see them sold separetly on 5s.
- Chaos Warriors are in packs of 16, 12 in the current SC!. Now they seem to come in 10s, and I am quite certain that they will come on packs of 10 from now on. I'm assuming that they will cost the same because they want to justify the dynamic poses.
- So am I only going to get my Chariots and Sorcerers via online store?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:41:42


Post by: ImAGeek


 CMLR wrote:
Voss wrote:
Really? I like the lances. They actually look like fantasy lances that I've been seeing in D&D books for the last 30 years, rather than short sticks with a little bit of metal stuck on the end.

(or the full swords somehow jammed on a pole, which the previous knights had (or the halberds that were for some reason called lances).

While I did like the old chaos steeds, the knights themselves had those silly glue-on pauldrons with no real connection points, and just a solid block of metal with no real articulation.


I just don't find Chaos Knights as fond of jousting as the EMpire or Brets.

 jake wrote:
 CMLR wrote:


I don't like the new CL head. Hope there is an additional head option. .


Theres a photo with a helmet option.


Lmao, totally missed it.

I'm a bit worried about prices, tho.

- Chaos Knights were in packs of 5 in 8E. Then they are in packs of 10 since AoS at the same price (or almost, I don't really remember. I do remember Bloodcrushers came in packs of 3, now on 6, and cost exactly the same, which is a real good deal). Are they going to cost more now for half the packages now? because the picture has only 5, and while the SC! bundle has also 5, I wonder if we are going to see them sold separetly on 5s.
- Chaos Warriors are in packs of 16, 12 in the current SC!. Now they seem to come in 10s, and I am quite certain that they will come on packs of 10 from now on. I'm assuming that they will cost the same because they want to justify the dynamic poses.
- So am I only going to get my Chariots and Sorcerers via online store?


I think they’re only going to be sold in the Start Collecting as Shadowspear esque monopose models. The leaked release list only has the start collecting.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:44:52


Post by: Tim the Biovore


So does this mean we expect a range of full kits to be coming out early next year? I've got no issue with what the box is offering, but surely that couldn't be it then?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 08:51:39


Post by: Tiberius501


Umbros wrote:

They are push fit I'm told by someone at the seminar.


This would be unfortunate.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 09:40:29


Post by: Umbros


I should say, pushfit in the same manner as Shadowspear's models are


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 10:15:41


Post by: ImAGeek


Umbros wrote:
I should say, pushfit in the same manner as Shadowspear's models are


So monopose, not pushfit. Although it’s functionally the same result.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 10:35:16


Post by: Binabik15


I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 10:47:46


Post by: ImAGeek


 Binabik15 wrote:
I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.


From the leaked price list it’s the same as the most expensive SC sets currently from what I recall (£60).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 11:33:59


Post by: Binabik15


 ImAGeek wrote:
 Binabik15 wrote:
I just hope that the SC won't be price hiked. I can use everything in it, even multiples of it. The leader dude can be mounted on a "toad dragon" hatchling for my Order of the Fly army. Better rules for knights and Varanguard, please, plus third mounted non-wizzard leader choice (= new guy) being good and I'd be a very happy camper. Possibly archers for StD so I can use mine without using Ungor rules -> perfection.

PS: And to get greedy Chaos dragon rules outside compendium rules...once I build my zombie dragon-as-Nurgle-dragon I don't really want to use him as just a Manticore, but not as Archaon, either.


From the leaked price list it’s the same as the most expensive SC sets currently from what I recall (£60).



That's 55€ from Wayland, losing the chariot (I have two) and foot sorc, gaining the lizzard lord and much better CWs for 5€ more. That's surprisingly ok. The lower price band would have been even better, but, eh, better thanmno new models at all. Or Varanguard priceing I'll stick with conversions for those, especially now that Bonedudes have 5 big knights for a decent price to steal horsies from. If CWs get a full kit 20 for the same price as the new skellis would be too much to as for, no?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 12:03:41


Post by: Overread


Honestly looking at the size of the lord the £60 sounds pretty fair for the SC. You get a nice body of warriors and knights and a powerful large lord.

The only question I've got that I kinda hope GW answers is if the lord on manticore is going to vanish. I wouldn't have thought so but they have just removed things like high elf dragons which were another "surely GW would never" removal.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 12:33:31


Post by: Chikout


This very blurry picture confirms that there will be head options and an option for the knight leader to take a Lance.
Although it does look like the kits are monopose they all seem to be completely unique which is better than the shadowspear sets. I couldn't see any doubling up of legs or bodies.

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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 12:54:54


Post by: Umbros


Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 12:55:22


Post by: AegisGrimm


Does anyone else cringe at the sight of one of the new knights being connected to the base only by a single hoof? Good god, it's not even just one model, but 4 of them (the fifth gets the addition of the very edge of the other hoof).

The warriors looks great, updated to be more three-dimensional and action-posed, and I agree that the Lord is a nice balance to the Stormcast on Dracoth.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 13:09:32


Post by: GoatboyBeta


I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 13:32:30


Post by: DaveC


Umbros wrote:
Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?


Slaves to Darkness Battletome, Endless Spells, The Start Collecting and (presumed) Warcry warband reboxes for AoS are released on the 14th of December according to the leaked release list. Anything else will likely be next year.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 13:43:52


Post by: Tiberius501


Chikout wrote:
This very blurry picture confirms that there will be head options and an option for the knight leader to take a Lance.
Although it does look like the kits are monopose they all seem to be completely unique which is better than the shadowspear sets. I couldn't see any doubling up of legs or bodies.


Ah this is great and good enough for me. 2 boxes and I can make 2 units of 10 warriors and a unit of 10 knights with 1 leader. I am sold.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 13:44:10


Post by: ImAGeek


 DaveC wrote:
Umbros wrote:
Do we have an idea of release date for the chaos warriors?


Slaves to Darkness Battletome, Endless Spells, The Start Collecting and (presumed) Warcry warband reboxes for AoS are released on the 14th of December according to the leaked release list. Anything else will likely be next year.


The Start Collecting is all the new models we saw yesterday.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 13:49:28


Post by: beast_gts


GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.


Cities of Sigmar / Free People would be a good one, or a faction that needs a boost like Kharadron Overlords.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/03 15:40:29


Post by: Tim the Biovore


GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.


Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 13:35:09


Post by: GaroRobe


I wonder if the price increase on the Warcry bands is because they're included in the Slaves of Darkness tome? Maybe they'll get extra sprues, since I can't imagine how their unit compositions will work, given that they have access to some weapon options.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 14:46:30


Post by: Carlovonsexron


Tim the Biovore wrote:

Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.


I'm hoping for redone lizardmen mysefl!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 15:04:14


Post by: Adeptus Doritos


GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder if the price increase on the Warcry bands is because they're included in the Slaves of Darkness tome? Maybe they'll get extra sprues, since I can't imagine how their unit compositions will work, given that they have access to some weapon options.


I am hoping they will actually have a battle role/slot and the like, because I'm gonna field a whole mess of Unmade.

Because they're absolutely mental. I love those models.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 16:54:26


Post by: NinthMusketeer


You guys do know they have warscrolls already, right?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 17:18:05


Post by: Voss


They do have warscrolls, but they need new ones, especially with the way the kits are set up for alternate models.

That an Iron Golem unit of 32 models must have 4 signifiers is rather ridiculous, especially as the alternate build looks better (IMO) & adds more variety, plus the multiple signifiers don't actually _do_ anything.
There are similar problems in some of the other bands as well.




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 17:20:10


Post by: Danny76


I’m still not convinced SC sets are all going monopose sets.

I don’t think we can base that on existing moulds getting repurposed into SCs (which is a good cheap use of the sprues, so why not).
But maybe I’m wrong..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 17:39:10


Post by: Popsghostly


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder who will be next to get one of these new style SC sets? DoK could really do with a non Morathi hero that's not part of the Cauldron of Blood kit. But this StD box shows that GW are willing to replace an existing set.


Call it wishful thinking, but I'd be hoping for Seraphon. One of the oldest battletomes in the system, and perfect for a reworking on this level - Saurus need bigger and bulkier miniatures, Saurus Knights are in dire need of models that actually fit together, and a mounted Scar Veteran wouldn't go unappreciated. Don't know if Slaves to Darkness will be getting anything more (I hope for full kits at least), but from there it'd just be the Kroxigor and Salamanders/Razordon that need attention before Seraphon would be in one of the best conditions of all the factions. Throw in some Endless Spells, and GW could comfortably ignore them for another five years with minimal complaint.


This. Who doesn't love dinosaurs riding dinosaurs? I just converted some of the new Blood Bowl Lizzies into Saurus Guard. The new models are huge compared to the older ones. I've been rather irritated with small skinny lizzies and have been buying third-party replacements that are bigger until GW redoes them. My feeling is there might be drastic changes though and the Seraphon morph into something more fantastical and easier to copyright.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 19:16:32


Post by: CMLR


Danny76 wrote:
I’m still not convinced SC sets are all going monopose sets.

I don’t think we can base that on existing moulds getting repurposed into SCs (which is a good cheap use of the sprues, so why not).
But maybe I’m wrong..


The SC! that used to be the two halves of the first AoS Starting Set are all monopose/pushfit.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 20:35:03


Post by: EnTyme


Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 20:41:24


Post by: Kanluwen


 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 20:43:17


Post by: Popsghostly


 Kanluwen wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?


In mono-pose, anyone think these guys were originally slated for a box but got replaced by Ogors and or Bonemen?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 21:13:18


Post by: Kanluwen


Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/04 21:27:52


Post by: Overread


 Kanluwen wrote:
Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".


Except having high value for a new player is just the same in value because the "cheap stuff" is only bought because those veterans are expanding their armies - the very same thing beginners and intermediates do as well.

I think its less about trying to discourage buying multiple getting-started sets and more to do with GW seeing that push-fit helps get more people into the hobby and thus introducing it into the getting started range for some (perhaps one day all) armies. The idea being that the beginner can now get "push fit" models for a whole range of armies not just the two poster-child armies that GW markets. From there they can advance onto more complicated kits (even though honestly I don't think one single GW kit is really that "complex" if you compare it to, say, a typical medium to high range airfix plane or ship).

If GW wanted to discourage multiplebuying they'd just make the models in the start collecting good but one-off sets (or most of them one-off) so that there'd be no real pressure to buy into them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 05:28:59


Post by: Danny76


 Kanluwen wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
Isn't that literally the situation Danny is describing? They already had a mold, so decided to make an SC kit out of it. They didn't design those molds to be used as an SC. As far as I can tell, we've yet to see GW design a sprue of monopose models to be an SC kit. Even these at least have new head options. It's actually far more likely these units are designed like the Bloodreavers and Kairic Acolytes, which is to say they are mostly standardized poses with a few weapon and head options.

It's hard to disprove a negative, which is effectively what the argument you and Danny are putting forward is.

Several people when Shadowspear was released suggested it would become a pair of Start Collecting sets later.
The new Sisters of Battle are getting an Army Pack made in the same vein.
People present at Blood and Glory were flatout told that "Yes, these are monopose models with full kits coming next year". Notice how there was no standard bearer or musician in the Knights or Warriors sets?


Surely suggesting Shadowspear would become SC is irrelevant, I think that just furthers my point, the sprues already being there etc. (I think they all will now (starter sets), as it’s a use for an expensive mold)

But if they were talking about it at B&G then maybe so, I didn’t see that anywhere (but it is so hard to find actual news/rumours in these threads these days with all the ridiculous arguments every page).
I could see them being like the Bloodreavers etc as EnTyme says.
But you do make a point on the standard etc (they would definitely have something like that), though perhaps it’s an option for an arm swap as with heads. With only showing one build on the back, but a separate box of them would show several options.


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 Overread wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Supposedly, they've been looking into how to make Start Collectings have more value to actual new players for a faction rather than just "Hey veteran players, buy all this crap for cheap!".


Except having high value for a new player is just the same in value because the "cheap stuff" is only bought because those veterans are expanding their armies - the very same thing beginners and intermediates do as well.

I think its less about trying to discourage buying multiple getting-started sets and more to do with GW seeing that push-fit helps get more people into the hobby and thus introducing it into the getting started range for some (perhaps one day all) armies. The idea being that the beginner can now get "push fit" models for a whole range of armies not just the two poster-child armies that GW markets. From there they can advance onto more complicated kits (even though honestly I don't think one single GW kit is really that "complex" if you compare it to, say, a typical medium to high range airfix plane or ship).

If GW wanted to discourage multiplebuying they'd just make the models in the start collecting good but one-off sets (or most of them one-off) so that there'd be no real pressure to buy into them.


Are the Shadowspear models Push Fit Though?
I thought they were just monopose kits, where though some may clip nicely but not designed that way in the same way starter boxes and ETB are


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 13:00:46


Post by: Kurgash


Not push fit but keyed specifically to just exactly one arm and or gun. Can’t mix options.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 13:36:39


Post by: Geifer


Bit late to the party, but it's nice to see new Chaos Warriors, even if for now they're just monopose ones. The old ones are cool in closed rank formation but simply don't look good Age of Sigmar's spread out skirmish formations. And keeping the aesthetic might even make mixing old and new ones an interesting option.

I never had that problem with old Chaos Knights and I really liked the bits in that kit. And the price. Shame if they're going out of print for these new ones.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 15:21:13


Post by: GaroRobe


It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up some chaos knights now. 10 for $60 isn't a terrible deal and I imagine the new kit will be more expensive. It definitely won't be 5 for 30$.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 15:42:45


Post by: Marshal Loss


Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 15:54:58


Post by: Overread


 Marshal Loss wrote:
Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.


I can't foresee GW keeping the old kits when replacing them with new ones. Most certainly the warriors look dated in terms of the sculpt. Knights could remain as they are somewhat newer, but honestly I'd expect both to go.

The only big question mark really is if the lord on Manticor remains or goes; since that is a "lord on monster" similar model. I wouldn't have thought so but GW already surprised us in removing the high elf dragon and other models. Though one can argue that the manticore also comes with wings and makes a sorcerer build too (I believe).


Other than that Chaos Chosen and any of the other finecast would be up to vanish from the store.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 17:52:33


Post by: Marshal Loss


 Overread wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
Do we actually know if the old kits are going away? If these new kits are the same scale and on the same bases, seems more likely to me that they'll only be available in the SC box for the foreseeable future, but that the old warriors & knights will remain on sale as separate kits.


I can't foresee GW keeping the old kits when replacing them with new ones. Most certainly the warriors look dated in terms of the sculpt. Knights could remain as they are somewhat newer, but honestly I'd expect both to go.


But are they actually replacements at this stage? They aren't really replacing anything if they can only be found in a Start Collecting box. One would assume that we'll see a new warrior & knight box sometime down the track, and when that happens they'll definitely remove the older kits, but my point is that I'd expect both the old & new chaos warriors/knights to remain on the shelves until that happens.

E.G. view this in 40k terms: Shadowspear was released with a new & redesigned monopose CSM squad. That squad did not replace the older kit, which remained on the shelves. Soon afterwards, a full squad was released, which did replace the older kit. This wave of warriors/knights is the Shadowspear equivalent. It's not a perfect analogy as Shadowspear was limited and the SC box is not, but I still think we'll see the old warriors/knights on the shelves for many months to come


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 18:18:56


Post by: Cronch


I mean, you are free to believe what you want, but don't be too surprised when the 15yo chaos warrior kit is gone one day.

Also, you assume somehow that just because the models will initially be released in SC! box they wont be released in their separate box. Chainrasps were.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 18:23:48


Post by: Obispudkenobi


The warrior, knights and lord kits have been pulled from the order list


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 18:31:59


Post by: Overread


Obispudkenobi wrote:
The warrior, knights and lord kits have been pulled from the order list


Which lists and which specific lords? There's quite a few


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 19:09:08


Post by: EnTyme


Warriors, Knights, and Lords are still available on the US store.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/05 19:43:10


Post by: Overread


And the UK so I think he's talking about a store ordering list for retailers. Which would make sense if GW wants to run the stock down and not have 3rd parties/stores holding old stock.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 04:33:05


Post by: Moopy


I looked through the thread and didn’t see the answer so the question is:

Has there been any word about being able to by the terrain from the Ossiarch Battletome? The gate/walls/floors? It looked mass produced.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 05:33:33


Post by: ImAGeek


 Moopy wrote:
I looked through the thread and didn’t see the answer so the question is:

Has there been any word about being able to by the terrain from the Ossiarch Battletome? The gate/walls/floors? It looked mass produced.


It was made by the terrain team for photos and stuff according to responses from GW on Facebook.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 06:34:45


Post by: Eldarain


I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 08:03:34


Post by: Moopy


 Eldarain wrote:
I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.


That was my thoughts! Unless they 3d printed it- it was far too uniform.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 09:01:30


Post by: tneva82


Cronch wrote:
I mean, you are free to believe what you want, but don't be too surprised when the 15yo chaos warrior kit is gone one day.

Also, you assume somehow that just because the models will initially be released in SC! box they wont be released in their separate box. Chainrasps were.


Ah but then we would know that the individual boxes are coming. What he is saying is that it's very unlikely GW will drop the kits NOW and then say on march 2020 release the individual kits leaving the SC only way to get chaos warriors from december to march.

In other words if you want chaos warriors you don't have to panic buy them NOW. If the old kits dissapear that's because new ones are coming to replace them. And fast rather than months ago. No worry about the old kits dissapearing with only SC as only source of warriors/knights is what he's saying. When the replacement for the individual boxes come sure that's when they dissapear.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 10:06:28


Post by: Overread


 Eldarain wrote:
I don't buy it. Far too reapeated to be a one off. I expect a Siege centric release after all books are up to date.


Eh I can believe it. Esp as GW is now using 3D printers to cast up things. If that terrain is just for photos and isn't product going out to customers then they could easily design it in 3D and just make some masters cast up without having to invest into the whole process of producing for production. The main keep and gate are also well within GW's skill to make.

Heck we see gamers themselves make repeat detailed terrain features all the time without them being mass produced and that's working without 3D printers.

That said I think that GW has had a good amount of interest shown in the terrain and perhaps it might spur them to consider making it as a kit. A Siege expansion coupled to multiple factions getting some themed siege gear and some walls and such (perhaps not walls for everyone but one per grand alliance) would be a very neat addition. I recall Old World had at least one siege expansion with generic siege weapons and walls and before the great culling and splitting at the start of AoS, most factions had one or more ranged artillery weapons. Bolt throwers; grudge throwers; grot throwers - lots of stuff being thrown that with a bit of orky determination and magic could easily punch walls or at least scatter defenders from the ramparts.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 11:28:12


Post by: Cronch



Ah but then we would know that the individual boxes are coming

We only know what GW wants us to know for Christmas and what the leaks (which end in December iirc?) showed. It's entirely possible they will release the SC! box, remove the old kits as unceremoniously as they killed Greenskinz (with maybe week or two of "last chance to buy") and then release the models in separate boxes a month or two later. I'm not saying it will happen, but from GW's perspective it's got the added bonus of not confusing the kiddies/new players with two different types of chaos warriors/knights.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/06 11:45:26


Post by: Overread


It's not just that, I'm not aware of GW ever keeping old kits on sale when they've released new kits to replace them. It's simple product management for a production company to retire old product before/when new product comes on sale to replace it.

It's not even kiddies, established people can get confused when a company doesn't release things with clear patterns. Keeping old models up when new ones come along just makes people get all kinds of confused as to what is happening which is more likely then to stall buying rather than encourage it. Unless the old kits are popular "legacy" kits and marketed as such.


So yep I'd expect GW to drop the old stock. This will either happen a few weeks before launch or on the launch day. I'd also expect that they would recall all the old kits from their own brand stores (including the battalion from last Christmas). They might even recall from distribution networks as well. Basically dry up the stock from the retail chain so that its not there and then release the new shiny thing.



Unlike Greenskins we can clearly see a new product to replace the existing for warriors and knights. Greenskins was a surprise because GW wasn't replacing them at the time - heck they didn't even udpate Orruks in general until month or so ago.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:11:47


Post by: zamerion


From aos facebook



What in the world…
Find out more tomorrow (Friday), at 3pm GMT,




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:12:19


Post by: Kanluwen


It's almost assuredly Warhammer Legends.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:17:23


Post by: Overread


AoS's next major expansion - Formation Battles. Contains a limited edition collection of square and rectangular bases to rebase your AoS models for use in a new rank and file battle system.


Or
AoS THE END END TIMES. Following the necroquake Nagash has a fit of rage and throws all the power of the dead at the living; which results in a magical surge so powerful that it shatters all the realms. The quake only ending when it collides with Gotrek who shouts it into submission and reforms the world with a grumpy word. The Old World is reborn.

GW releases the old style bases and - requires you to rebase everything for a return of the Old World system. Note all new AoS armies are moved to legendary status and whilst getting formal rules won't be sold any more.



Or yeah its the Warhammer Legends rules.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:24:23


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Wouldn't surprise me if it's a release of classic Warhammer.

I mean, it's little skin off GW's nose to reprint and republish?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:26:17


Post by: Geifer


I know a Tomb King base when I see it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:28:08


Post by: Marshal Loss


What the hell


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:28:21


Post by: Carlovonsexron


OMG, I hope somehow tomg kings get re-released. I would kill for a couple of tomb guard kits.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:33:46


Post by: Cronch


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if it's a release of classic Warhammer.

I mean, it's little skin off GW's nose to reprint and republish?

Considering how toxic the relationship between old fans and GW is due to End Times, and how it'd make little to no sense to push AoS as the only fantasy setting for last 4 years only to release a competing setting, even if with no models now...I doubt it. Hopefully with StDs being released next month, we can finally have closure on the WFB-AoS hybrid that tomeless armies were.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:37:17


Post by: Overread


They could be doing an old rules reprint or even just selling square bases once again.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:46:55


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


 Overread wrote:
They could be doing an old rules reprint or even just selling square bases once again.


An out of the blue surprising and vague post making everyone wait 24 hours just to announce square bases?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:51:41


Post by: SKR.HH


Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:53:06


Post by: Avrik_Shasla


SKR.HH wrote:
Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.


You're probably right :/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:55:14


Post by: nels1031


SKR.HH wrote:
Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.


The GW facebook team already shot that down, tongue in cheek. They said they already offer that and linked to the GW filing tools.

We sell that already, it just takes a while...
www.games-workshop.com/Citadel-File-Set


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 15:57:55


Post by: lord_blackfang


Obviously a cross promotion for Kings of War 3rd edition


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 16:17:57


Post by: Yodhrin


Yeah this will be something utterly mundane/a pun of some kind, there's zero chance they're bringing back WHFB.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 16:22:02


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 nels1031 wrote:
SKR.HH wrote:
Personal gut feeling: base adaptors... Nothing more.


The GW facebook team already shot that down, tongue in cheek. They said they already offer that and linked to the GW filing tools.

We sell that already, it just takes a while...
www.games-workshop.com/Citadel-File-Set

Ok, that's pretty good.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:26:26


Post by: auticus


Since GW has been on a tear bringing back specialist games, I would love if this is Warmaster rebooted to the new AOS background.

Because quite frankly AOS is not a game that I can enjoy, but a warmaster style game in the world would be something I'd fork money over for.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:28:51


Post by: Arbitrator


Won't be anything major. They'd save a big announcement for an event - like New Year Open Day - rather than slap it down on a random Friday. Mind you, it might be a teaser and 'MORE DETAILS SOON'.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:30:37


Post by: Overread


 auticus wrote:
Since GW has been on a tear bringing back specialist games, I would love if this is Warmaster rebooted to the new AOS background.

Because quite frankly AOS is not a game that I can enjoy, but a warmaster style game in the world would be something I'd fork money over for.


I'd freaking love it because the Warmaster scale would work perfectly with AoS. With 28-32mm you can't really do proper sieges and have the right feeling. You can do them don't get me wrong, but they are more skirmish sieges. Warmaster scale you can certainly do a full castle and battle and everything and it looks better at that scale. That said such a release would be massive for GW. I think this tease is too light in tone for something as major as that.

Warmaster AoS is the kind of thing that gets announced at a major event rather than on the GW website news on a Friday


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:32:43


Post by: RazorEdge


I guess a Warmaster set in the Old World makes more sense.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:39:03


Post by: Cronch


I'd love AoS Warmaster. Chances of it happening are nil, but it sure would be nice, I still think it was the best ruleset GW ever created.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:51:17


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


I don't know that I trust GW to do Warmaster correctly right now. I feel like Middle-Earth went unmolested simple because it avoided the gaze of the number-crunchers... ditto for Bloodbowl, but any really "new" system has come back either unrecognizable, or largely worse.

I dread a new Warmaster (now in 15mm for example, so everyone has to start a new scale), being to its original version, what say Warhammer Quest was to its original game.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 17:58:39


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


A warmaster scaled Total War in the Old World.

Everything on squares. Good excuse to sell us the same things, except different.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 19:30:42


Post by: godswildcard


I’m eagerly awaiting this while trying not to get my hopes up.


I’d squee over just about anything fantasy that wasn’t AoS-related.

I’d go bankrupt if they decided to some serious MTO runs for things like Brets or Tomb Kings.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 20:28:36


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Most rumor-sites are just saying it is Apocalypse/Siege Age of Sigmar, akin to the 40k version, but with a token nod toward regimental/ranked movement trays.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 21:10:08


Post by: Boss Salvage


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Most rumor-sites are just saying it is Apocalypse/Siege Age of Sigmar, akin to the 40k version, but with a token nod toward regimental/ranked movement trays.
Ah, that makes sense re: movement trays and APOC's existence for 40k. I was getting sorta excited it might be Mordheim's return (on round bases), given that came out in 1999 and GeeDub likes money. That or a rerelease of some Oldhammer books ala the WD compendium that just came out.

Holy hell tho, the raging in the KOW FB groups / bizarre declarations of love for WHFB in the AOS FB groups over this post


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 21:13:51


Post by: Mr Morden


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Most rumor-sites are just saying it is Apocalypse/Siege Age of Sigmar, akin to the 40k version, but with a token nod toward regimental/ranked movement trays.


Looking forward to AOS Apoclyspe -


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 21:24:54


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


Considering Apoc40k is in a lot of ways superior to vanilla, I will at least hear them out. :-p



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 22:07:29


Post by: lord_blackfang


Rippa's Snarlfangs article posted

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/warband-focus-rippas-snarlfangsgw-homepage-post-2/



The middle card... a new Orc faction? He looks different and Morgok isn't any existing GW character (tho, awkwardly, he's a Blizzard character)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 22:11:06


Post by: H.B.M.C.


zamerion wrote:
From aos facebook

Spoiler:


What in the world…
Find out more tomorrow (Friday), at 3pm GMT,
What... ?

I'd be very surprised if they wanted to still manufacturer square bases.

Does anyone know what boxes still come with them?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 23:04:10


Post by: Arbitrator


 Boss Salvage wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Most rumor-sites are just saying it is Apocalypse/Siege Age of Sigmar, akin to the 40k version, but with a token nod toward regimental/ranked movement trays.
Ah, that makes sense re: movement trays and APOC's existence for 40k. I was getting sorta excited it might be Mordheim's return (on round bases), given that came out in 1999 and GeeDub likes money. That or a rerelease of some Oldhammer books ala the WD compendium that just came out.

Holy hell tho, the raging in the KOW FB groups / bizarre declarations of love for WHFB in the AOS FB groups over this post

What makes it funnier is many of those people in the AoS groups are no doubt the same who kick, scream and sneer that anything to do with WHFB should be purged and gleefully snigger when something from it goes LCTB.

If WHFB did come back in some form, you can guarantee those same GW-White Knights will proclaim it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and how they 'always loved it and wish it would return in some form'.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/14 23:40:21


Post by: auticus


Thats because a lot of the gw white knights are die hard gw fans because of the community. The games themselves don't mean as much as the fact that whatever the games are, they know that they have tens of thousands of people playing it with them.

Especially in today's community where it seems everyone has a paid blog, patreon, or twitch stream behind a pay wall they want to milk the rest of the community for.

I can't get 5 seconds into twitter without seeing someone posting about their paid content.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 01:52:57


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Rippa's Snarlfangs article posted

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/warband-focus-rippas-snarlfangsgw-homepage-post-2/



The middle card... a new Orc faction? He looks different and Morgok isn't any existing GW character (tho, awkwardly, he's a Blizzard character)
Looks like a savage orc to me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 04:02:24


Post by: techsoldaten


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What... ?

I'd be very surprised if they wanted to still manufacturer square bases.

Does anyone know what boxes still come with them?

Just finished organizing a box full of bitz. Filled a couple bags with square bases and now I see this.

Cannot be a coincidence.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 07:23:05


Post by: ImAGeek


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Rippa's Snarlfangs article posted

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/14/warband-focus-rippas-snarlfangsgw-homepage-post-2/



The middle card... a new Orc faction? He looks different and Morgok isn't any existing GW character (tho, awkwardly, he's a Blizzard character)
Looks like a savage orc to me.


The Orruks this season are Brutes, as per other cards from the starter.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 12:07:08


Post by: nurgle5


Reposting re: the square bases teaser thing -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpnLjwOn5tg


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 12:51:34


Post by: Overread


Ok this might be somewhat bigger than I thought!


Also someone make sure Auctus is near a hospital! News like this could result in vast amounts of either joy or bitter madness - or both at the same time!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 12:53:29


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Overread wrote:
Ok this might be somewhat bigger than I thought!


Also someone make sure Auctus is near a hospital! News like this could result in vast amounts of either joy or bitter madness - or both at the same time!
He might combust.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 12:55:45


Post by: Yodhrin


It has to be a Legends-related bait & switch surely.

Right?

If this actually is WHFB-as-Horus Heresy for AoS...I'm more afraid than excited. There are so, so many ways they could do that in a gak way, and only a couple where it would actually be good.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 12:55:54


Post by: Tiberius501


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Ok this might be somewhat bigger than I thought!


Also someone make sure Auctus is near a hospital! News like this could result in vast amounts of either joy or bitter madness - or both at the same time!
He might combust.


Or implode.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 13:04:47


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 techsoldaten wrote:
Just finished organizing a box full of bitz. Filled a couple bags with square bases and now I see this.

Cannot be a coincidence.
Providence is the word you're looking for.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 14:14:28


Post by: GaroRobe


Wouldn't fantasy be the HH equivalent to aos? At least the end times. Tho I suppose itll just be some age of myth nonsense


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 14:19:36


Post by: Boss Salvage


 auticus wrote:
The games themselves don't mean as much as the fact that whatever the games are, they know that they have tens of thousands of people playing it with them.
Honestly GeeDub's ubiquity, followed closely by its unrivaled plastic kits, is probably its games' greatest selling point. And a monolith that all emergent games struggle against, on top of having to compete with video games, the eternal boogeyman.

But anyway, guess we'll find out whatever the poop is up with square bases in ~40 minutes!