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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:01:29


Post by: The Green one


Fantasy is returning in the future confirmed https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/old-world-new-warhammer/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:04:36


Post by: Overread


This is both huge and not so huge news if only because its 2 to 3 years off. That said GW generally doesn't like to present info like that unless they are committed to it. This also bodes well for them doing some of the alpha testing of releases for rules like they did for Sisters of Battle.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:05:34


Post by: bbb


It will be interesting to see how they manage this. I wonder if they might move to a different scale, maybe 15mm and half all measurements? Maybe re-release old metal models in a Reaper Bones-type material? Whatever they do, I'm sure there will be lots of people angry that their favorite edition wasnt selected as the basis for the new system.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:15:43


Post by: terry



They don't say fantasy is coming back, they're saying they're working on something set in the old word and that it takes at least 3 years before its done


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:22:52


Post by: Overread


2 to 3 years suggests brand new models rather than re-releasing the old sculpts. Which isn't a bad thing considering that many of the models that were around at the end of the Old World were old sculpts barring a handful of armies that got something new. Plus a good few of those very last months releases were more AoS vibe than Old World (things like gods and such).


The hint of something from the realm of light (Light Aelves?!) and Gargantuan is also very encouraging for AoS; though I'm guessing we are looking a good many months before those hints appear. Still shaping up 2020 to be a great year for AoS if they get a new army; something big and also will (it seems from some leaks) get all three remaining Battleomes released by March


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:33:48


Post by: Cronch


Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:38:56


Post by: godardc


Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.

What ? That probably the best news From GW since the end times
WFB never failed, GW stopped it. Now they are finally undoing their mistake. It took time for them to put pride away and to come back to this but eventually everyone sees the truth, including GW.
Greatest news !


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:39:23


Post by: Yodhrin


Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:45:35


Post by: Voss


 bbb wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they manage this. I wonder if they might move to a different scale, maybe 15mm and half all measurements? Maybe re-release old metal models in a Reaper Bones-type material? Whatever they do, I'm sure there will be lots of people angry that their favorite edition wasnt selected as the basis for the new system.


Ugh. Reminds me of the WoW Classic fights. 'Why is it based on patch 1.12 and not patch 1.115768?' Paladins lost 0.01% DPS in that change!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:51:47


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


 Yodhrin wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers


And sentiments like yours make me think you should be applying the toddler moniker to yourself. Thrown toys and prams and all that.

Wake me up in half a decade when we know what scale this is, if the setting is made interesting and if it's plastic or forge world only. Then it may be worth looking at.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 15:59:20


Post by: Tiberius501


 Overread wrote:

The hint of something from the realm of light (Light Aelves?!) and Gargantuan is also very encouraging for AoS; though I'm guessing we are looking a good many months before those hints appear. Still shaping up 2020 to be a great year for AoS if they get a new army; something big and also will (it seems from some leaks) get all three remaining Battleomes released by March


The hint for something big coming from the realm of light being Light Aelves was my thought as well. If so, my poor wallet just got wrecked by Sylvaneth, only just barely managed to escape Ossiarchs (my brother got them so I am enjoying them through him), is about to further get demolished by Chaos, and potentially soon Light Aelves... X|


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 16:02:12


Post by: Geifer


Well, that's good. Biggest mistake of AoS was blowing up the old world for it instead of just making it an addition. Hopefully that will be rectified.

Giants and Hysh? Probably not related (not that I care either way), and people were certainly expecting light elves, but was there any demand for giants? Almost seems to me like they're porting Knight armies to Fantasy with a small model count, all giant army, That's the worst case scenario anyway, but I guess all (or mostly) monster armies are a thing already so whatever.

I won't complain if we get a nice giant model out of it, though.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 16:30:18


Post by: SamusDrake


This is excellent news and happy for those WHFB players who have felt abandoned with AoS. Free cities seemed to perk up spirits but this is something, even if years away.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Geifer wrote:

but was there any demand for giants?


AoS-apocalypse? Give those Titans a run for their money!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 16:55:50


Post by: Cronch


 Yodhrin wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers

I'll just move on, like I did with other games, when the time comes. I'm not the one that was first treated to a nice nurgle banquet by GW with End Times and then blowing up the old world, only to spend 4 years not getting over it, and now eagerly jumping back into the same bed with the same company because they decided your money is good again.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 18:07:57


Post by: Yodhrin


Cronch wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers

I'll just move on, like I did with other games, when the time comes. I'm not the one that was first treated to a nice nurgle banquet by GW with End Times and then blowing up the old world, only to spend 4 years not getting over it, and now eagerly jumping back into the same bed with the same company because they decided your money is good again.


I eagerly await the bit where all the "nyeeeh, boomer, nyeeeh, ded gaem" people move on. Could that be soon? It'd be real nice if it was soon.

And you know, it usually helps when you're about to try snarking someone to do a quick wee check first to see if you're about to make a massive wobbly boob of yourself when you put words in their mouth - GW are going to have to woo me like we're in a late 90's romantic comedy if they expect to get money out of me, I learned the lesson of the End Times/AoS debacle well, and these days I have 3D printers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 18:18:02


Post by: Galas


If the rules are made to be able to put your AoS armies in movement traits and play with them in both sistems like they did with War of the Ring Ill be all over it.
I love AoS, bot setting and game, but I also love Fantasy even more. Yeah Im one of those strange people that likes both games.
Also, new models are always cool.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 18:37:32


Post by: Kanluwen


SamusDrake wrote:
This is excellent news and happy for those WHFB players who have felt abandoned with AoS. Free cities seemed to perk up spirits but this is something, even if years away.

And then promptly dashed them for many of us, but that's because the ideas weren't really expanded upon well.


 Geifer wrote:

but was there any demand for giants?


AoS-apocalypse? Give those Titans a run for their money!

If it's anything like the giants described in the Forbidden Power book? Oh hell yes, I'm down for that.

For those interested, they were basically Sigmarite clad giants that Sigmar gave shields, armor, and weapons in exchange for them helping him put what we now know as Katakros into the Lethisian Vault.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 19:30:14


Post by: lare2


Blowing up the old world was a mistake. Bringing the old world back... that's another mistake.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 19:56:04


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Galas wrote:
If the rules are made to be able to put your AoS armies in movement traits and play with them in both sistems like they did with War of the Ring Ill be all over it.
I love AoS, bot setting and game, but I also love Fantasy even more. Yeah Im one of those strange people that likes both games.
Also, new models are always cool.
IKR? It feels like there's pressure to 'pick a side.'


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 20:13:14


Post by: Geifer


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

but was there any demand for giants?


AoS-apocalypse? Give those Titans a run for their money!

If it's anything like the giants described in the Forbidden Power book? Oh hell yes, I'm down for that.

For those interested, they were basically Sigmarite clad giants that Sigmar gave shields, armor, and weapons in exchange for them helping him put what we now know as Katakros into the Lethisian Vault.


Sooo... titan sized Sigmarines? I can see why GW would want to make that for AoS.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 20:27:13


Post by: sockwithaticket


 lare2 wrote:
Blowing up the old world was a mistake. Bringing the old world back... that's another mistake.


They want some of that sweet cash from theTotal War: Warhammer fan base, many of whom won't know or care about the Old World being blown up, and AOS.

'Hey, I like Vampire Counts {or whatever faction) wonder if I can... wait what's a Bonerattle or a Nighthaunt? What's Age of Sigmar? Eh, you know what, I'll just start a new campaign."


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 20:39:41


Post by: Mr Morden


 sockwithaticket wrote:
 lare2 wrote:
Blowing up the old world was a mistake. Bringing the old world back... that's another mistake.


They want some of that sweet cash from theTotal War: Warhammer fan base, many of whom won't know or care about the Old World being blown up, and AOS.

'Hey, I like Vampire Counts {or whatever faction) wonder if I can... wait what's a Bonerattle or a Nighthaunt? What's Age of Sigmar? Eh, you know what, I'll just start a new campaign."


And hopefully we get some of the new stuff they made for Total War - like the Undead Pirates


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 20:40:54


Post by: Overread


I think the Total War game has helped, but I'd wager the vast majority of its fanbase won't buy Warhammer models. Some willl and some won't; many who will likely already bought into AoS itself.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 20:54:38


Post by: Kanluwen


 Geifer wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

If it's anything like the giants described in the Forbidden Power book? Oh hell yes, I'm down for that.

For those interested, they were basically Sigmarite clad giants that Sigmar gave shields, armor, and weapons in exchange for them helping him put what we now know as Katakros into the Lethisian Vault.


Sooo... titan sized Sigmarines? I can see why GW would want to make that for AoS.

Not really, but okay.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 21:17:55


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


If it means we get some Total War styled Lizardmen I'll be quite happy. Especially all those new Kroxigors


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 21:19:53


Post by: ImAGeek


 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
If it means we get some Total War styled Lizardmen I'll be quite happy. Especially all those new Kroxigors


Oh sweet lord yes please.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 22:58:11


Post by: Galas


Please, Vampire Coast army in plastic thanks GW.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/15 23:23:42


Post by: shinros


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers


And sentiments like yours make me think you should be applying the toddler moniker to yourself. Thrown toys and prams and all that.

Wake me up in half a decade when we know what scale this is, if the setting is made interesting and if it's plastic or forge world only. Then it may be worth looking at.


This is what is confusing me why are they announcing something that is possibly almost half a decade away?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 00:11:46


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Overread wrote:

The hint of something from the realm of light (Light Aelves?!) and Gargantuan is also very encouraging for AoS; though I'm guessing we are looking a good many months before those hints appear. Still shaping up 2020 to be a great year for AoS if they get a new army; something big and also will (it seems from some leaks) get all three remaining Battleomes released by March


The Giant hint is the really interesting thing for me as its fairly unexpected. Fingers crossed GW will have something to show off at the next preview.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 01:45:26


Post by: Carlovonsexron


It could also be literal giants, like the upcoming Fomoroid...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 01:58:28


Post by: Ghaz


I did see where Forge World discontinued their Fimir models. Maybe we'll see plastic Formoroids replacing them in the (hopefully near) future?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 02:07:08


Post by: nagash42


Maybe the thunder giants reincarnated back in azyr or maybe hysh.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 02:24:14


Post by: Tiberius501


I’d be both disappointed and relieved if it was giants instead of light aelves. It means I don’t have to spend money, but also means no light aelves.

But I’m sure that, if they look cool, I’ll be getting them as well. Because I have a problem.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 04:35:13


Post by: dogfender


Sky titans could be cool


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 06:15:05


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’d be both disappointed and relieved if it was giants instead of light aelves. It means I don’t have to spend money, but also means no light aelves.

But I’m sure that, if they look cool, I’ll be getting them as well. Because I have a problem.


As the meme says "why not both?" GW could certainly do a Giant focused model release/campaign and Light Aelves within a few months of each other.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 06:30:21


Post by: Carlovonsexron


 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’d be both disappointed and relieved if it was giants instead of light aelves. It means I don’t have to spend money, but also means no light aelves.

But I’m sure that, if they look cool, I’ll be getting them as well. Because I have a problem.


I'm the exact opposite- we've had 3 different elf releases, and no order humans. I'd be delighted if we could take a year or two away from elves.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Ghaz wrote:
I did see where Forge World discontinued their Fimir models. Maybe we'll see plastic Formoroids replacing them in the (hopefully near) future?


I'm hoping the Fimir proper come back in plastic...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 06:59:04


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Carlovonsexron wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
I’d be both disappointed and relieved if it was giants instead of light aelves. It means I don’t have to spend money, but also means no light aelves.

But I’m sure that, if they look cool, I’ll be getting them as well. Because I have a problem.


I'm the exact opposite- we've had 3 different elf releases, and no order humans. I'd be delighted if we could take a year or two away from elves.
Well, that seems unlikely with the reimagined wood elf+animal hybrids already seen in Underworlds bound to make a larger appearance in the relatively near future. Then again, anybody wanting something like what the light aelves would be is as much served by any of the elvish releases so far, as somebody wanting order humans is served by stormcast.

From the text, it does imply the Hysh and giants are linked. Could be interesting, I've long liked the idea of the ancient Sky Titans as a force. Just wonder what scale they would be in - would they once again make the last giant look small by comparison?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 07:44:52


Post by: streetsamurai


 Yodhrin wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Great, it's a Studio project, so it'll actually drain at least some resources from AoS development (I've no doubt 40k will be left alone) all for the sake of a project that failed once already and some nostalgia money from boomers.


The fact that people who express sentiments like that will be annoyed by them diverting resources from AoS is actually the best thing about this announcement.

Just wait until we're back in stores and clubs, with our actively supported game, luring away new players with superior not-Egypt and Proper Dwarfs rather than silly He-Man Bone Bois and Fyretoddlers


Can't agree more. While AOS got around it's rough start, WHFB was a much superior product (no stormcast for a start). Can't wait to see whre this will go


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 Geifer wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

but was there any demand for giants?


AoS-apocalypse? Give those Titans a run for their money!

If it's anything like the giants described in the Forbidden Power book? Oh hell yes, I'm down for that.

For those interested, they were basically Sigmarite clad giants that Sigmar gave shields, armor, and weapons in exchange for them helping him put what we now know as Katakros into the Lethisian Vault.


Sooo... titan sized Sigmarines? I can see why GW would want to make that for AoS.


really hope that's not the case. A giant army has potential. 3up sigmarine doesnt.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 10:57:38


Post by: Galas


Just give me a plastic Shaggoth done like TW Kolek!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 11:01:54


Post by: ImAGeek


 Galas wrote:
Just give me a plastic Shaggoth done like TW Kolek!


And Lizardmen like the TW ones pls.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 13:51:48


Post by: streetsamurai


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Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 14:27:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


A plastic Shaggoth would be wonderful.

I'd get one for Warhammer Quest. I like making an already blisteringly unfair game even more unfair.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 15:59:09


Post by: Carlovonsexron


Coenus Scaldingus wrote: somebody wanting order humans is served by stormcast.


That's like saying someone wanting Imperial guard is served by space marines.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 16:54:39


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Carlovonsexron wrote:
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: somebody wanting order humans is served by stormcast.


That's like saying someone wanting Imperial guard is served by space marines.

Now there's a quote that really doesn't work without the context of the first part of the sentence.
-Somebody said they were hoping to see the hinted at "light aelves" released.
-Another responded they were tired of elven releases.
-I commented that the previous elves are as much use to somebody interested in the light elves, as somebody interested in normal humans will find their needs satisfied by stormcast - which is to say, probably not at all.

In short, we are entirely in agreement.

And on a semi-related note, I too look forward to seeing what they do with either the light elves, or indeed something resembling normal humans not in the service of Chaos.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 16:57:48


Post by: Carlovonsexron


I was the one who who said they were tired of elven releases, and while perhaps not your intent, I had taken your comment as one basically saying both elf and humans players should be made happy by focusing on related but different factions.

I appreciate your clarification!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 17:21:45


Post by: Morgasm the Powerfull


I for one hope to see something other than humans, aealvaeas or dworfs.

More than that I'd like Destruction to be expanded beyond just savage barbarians. Give us something like smart ogres with magitech who rather than being hungry seek to power their machines with... I dunno... stuff... people, realmstone, magic, fabric of reality or something.

Play around with the notion of destroying stuff, after all greedy civilised people have been far more detrimental to the world that than stone age tribals. Maybe that would hit too close to home for GW.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 22:19:48


Post by: AegisGrimm


Maybe it'll be a force of Giants from Shyish that will be like fielding Knight "armies" in 40k. Which is visually evocative, but financially a kidney punch.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/16 23:40:47


Post by: Overread


Giant might not mean big model it might mean a big release of lots of small things. It might also be terrain or something like that instead of giant giant models.



Also I just finished building an Ossiarch Deathrider and want to note that I'm honestly amazed at whoever is doing the parting for models for GW. Almost every single join line is hidden! The only thing I would say is a bit sad is that they made the rider and mount as a single model (the riders groin is part of the saddle which means that the legs have to be part of the mount). That said if you wanted to modify it because you stick the legs on the groin area you can scrape the groin region of the rider off to put a different rider if you wanted.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 00:28:10


Post by: Ghaz


From Warhammer Community:

There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans for the Mortal Realms…

The 'huge plans' would cover a big release whereas 'giant' would tend to be in regards to what's being released. The Formoroid for Warcry would fit this description, and the Ogroids possibly could as well.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 00:33:53


Post by: Overread


Eh its loose enough and its marketing hype language - never take it as gospel nor as accurate. A Giant Plan for the Mortal Realms could even be a story event like the Necroquake rather than a massive model.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 00:40:32


Post by: Ghaz


A phrase like that should always be read as "There are some HUGE (some might say 'giant') plans for the Mortal Realms…" with extra emphasis and a on the word 'giant' meaning that the HUGE plans are plans for giants and not that the plans are redundantly both huge and giant.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 00:51:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


or else they're bringing back the pygmies from WHFB and are trying to put up a 'giant' smokescreen?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 09:36:21


Post by: Jackal90


Sky titans making a return?
They missed a trick there as they could have dropped those with Mawtribes in the set.

Generally speaking though, WHFB making a return isn’t always a bad thing.
They do need to keep an eye on their rules though.
For me it just got too much near the end, bloated was an understatement for the rules.

AoS was something I hated to begin with, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised with how it’s turned out so far.


There are some issues though.

WHFB ran heavily on characters - most of which are now gone (model wise)

Rank and file - models are designed freely now, so ranking units of current models won’t work.

Bases - guessing trays will help here but back to square again?


I think they could revive it just fine, but they’d have to be careful in doing so.
They would need a free mix between AoS and WHFB as a divide would likely hurt them a lot.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 10:05:05


Post by: Cronch


My guess is they'll have FW resculpt most of the stuff for Old World to look like TW:W models, since that's the target audience, not the physically dying old guard who remembers when WFB was a new thing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 11:01:27


Post by: Geifer


 Ghaz wrote:
A phrase like that should always be read as "There are some HUGE (some might say 'giant') plans for the Mortal Realms…" with extra emphasis and a on the word 'giant' meaning that the HUGE plans are plans for giants and not that the plans are redundantly both huge and giant.


Got to agree. Regardless of how overblown GW's marketing language is, it's usually fairly competent. There's no point to follow up a full caps "huge" with a plain "giant" unless the latter is specifically hinting at the teased thing.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
or else they're bringing back the pygmies from WHFB and are trying to put up a 'giant' smokescreen?


It'll be Azyrite Mootlyngs. Long have the halflings of the Mortal Realms lived in peace under Sigmar's watchful gaze, but as the days grow darker and ever fewer warrior chambers remain unopened, Sigmar prepares to unleash his most terrible weapon on the scourges of Chaos and Nagash.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 11:10:25


Post by: Mr Morden


I honestly hope that Hafflngs NEVER appear in AOS or indeed in any future version of Warhammer


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 11:37:51


Post by: Geifer


That's just mean!

A unit or two would have made a nice addition to Cities of Sigmar so GW doesn't have to worry about making a fully functional army out of them, and added to the cosmopolitan feel of the army.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 11:39:29


Post by: Mr Morden


 Geifer wrote:
That's just mean!

A unit or two would have made a nice addition to Cities of Sigmar so GW doesn't have to worry about making a fully functional army out of them, and added to the cosmopolitan feel of the army.


Nope Hate them


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 11:48:30


Post by: Geifer


Damn it! I don't have a counterargument to that!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 12:17:58


Post by: SeanDrake


Cronch wrote:
My guess is they'll have FW resculpt most of the stuff for Old World to look like TW:W models, since that's the target audience, not the physically dying old guard who remembers when WFB was a new thing.


You better hope that they don't aim for the TW:W player base as even a small percentage of them moving across will likely result in AoS being relgated to specialist games.

As one of the "dying old guard" I can just say jog on little boy get back to moving your saturday morning cartoon models around in the bestest dice rolling simulator ever produced in 15minutes on the back of a beer mat


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 12:24:03


Post by: Yodhrin


Cronch wrote:
My guess is they'll have FW resculpt most of the stuff for Old World to look like TW:W models, since that's the target audience, not the physically dying old guard who remembers when WFB was a new thing.


"Physically dying old guard" Lol, total fetus. The people you're talking about are in their late 20's and 30's, the Pensionhammer crowd have been and will continue to be happy playing 3rd Ed with metal Oldhammer-style models.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 13:38:44


Post by: Mr_Rose


I for one hope they go the War of the Ring route, in terms of basing and rules because that was a truly excellent and severely underrated system.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 15:42:14


Post by: timetowaste85


I started in 5th and I’m 34. Pretty sure that means I have one foot in the grave at this point. I miss 6th edition WHFB. If the new thing is something close to that, I’ll be happy.

Now, more importantly...any rumors/news on the upcoming Everchosen stuff?? I’m REALLY looking forward to that!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 15:51:05


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Apologies if I sound like a snide tosspot here, but why do peeps feel this is a FW effort?

Wording in the article is;

Warhammer Community announcement wrote: The Old World is to Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as the Horus Heresy is to Warhammer 40,000. The bedrock of lore from which mortals rose to godhood and legends were forged. And like the Horus Heresy, seeing those mythic heroes in action has an undeniable appeal, as does re-creating the glorious armies of a previous epoch – an exciting proposition for hobbyists and gamers alike. And now, we have a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio beginning the work of bringing all that awesome back to the tabletop.


Sounds to me like it’s a main studio product. Unless I’m missing something, which can never be ruled out.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 15:55:15


Post by: Overread


Probably because traditionally side projects and the Horus Herasy (which its been compared too) come from Forgeworld. Also there's a lot of general chatter so in that those who forget or who didn't read all the info make mistakes and then self perpetuate.

Honestly the line between GW and FW has become increasingly blurry as to what it actually "means" for us gamers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 16:51:10


Post by: Yodhrin


Also because Tony Cottrell was on the teaser video they did.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 16:51:16


Post by: kodos


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apologies if I sound like a snide tosspot here, but why do peeps feel this is a FW effort?


Horus Heresy Reference and the ForgeWorld Guy in the original Teaser Video


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 16:53:10


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 Overread wrote:
Probably because traditionally side projects and the Horus Herasy

I misread that, and from now on will be referring to this event as "the Horus Hearsay".

-"Did you hear what that guy Horus did?"
-"No, why - was it bad?"
-"Oh, yeah, you can say that alright..."


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 16:58:13


Post by: Danny76


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apologies if I sound like a snide tosspot here, but why do peeps feel this is a FW effort?

Wording in the article is;

Warhammer Community announcement wrote: The Old World is to Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as the Horus Heresy is to Warhammer 40,000. The bedrock of lore from which mortals rose to godhood and legends were forged. And like the Horus Heresy, seeing those mythic heroes in action has an undeniable appeal, as does re-creating the glorious armies of a previous epoch – an exciting proposition for hobbyists and gamers alike. And now, we have a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio beginning the work of bringing all that awesome back to the tabletop.


Sounds to me like it’s a main studio product. Unless I’m missing something, which can never be ruled out.


Yeah just people assuming it can’t be anything else, based on nothing really.

Though as mentioned, with the blurred lines, yeah it’s harder to distinguish these days..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 16:59:35


Post by: ImAGeek


Danny76 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apologies if I sound like a snide tosspot here, but why do peeps feel this is a FW effort?

Wording in the article is;

Warhammer Community announcement wrote: The Old World is to Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as the Horus Heresy is to Warhammer 40,000. The bedrock of lore from which mortals rose to godhood and legends were forged. And like the Horus Heresy, seeing those mythic heroes in action has an undeniable appeal, as does re-creating the glorious armies of a previous epoch – an exciting proposition for hobbyists and gamers alike. And now, we have a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio beginning the work of bringing all that awesome back to the tabletop.


Sounds to me like it’s a main studio product. Unless I’m missing something, which can never be ruled out.


Yeah just people assuming it can’t be anything else, based on nothing really.

Though as mentioned, with the blurred lines, yeah it’s harder to distinguish these days..


I mean, it’s mainly based on Tony Cottrell (head of Forge World) being in the video, which is hardly nothing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 19:08:39


Post by: Alpharius


Maybe he’s just a big WFB fan too?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 19:22:05


Post by: kodos


Or maybe with Horus Heresy reaching Terra (in with it the end of the campaign) he needs a new main project for the studio


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 20:26:21


Post by: Alpharius


BL HH has reached Terra, it I don’t think FW HH is that close yet?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/17 20:44:16


Post by: kodos


book 9 should release beginning of 2020 and there are at 4 more arcs planned (at least 5 books as I guess the Solar War will have more than one)

1 to 2 books a year and the HH will be done in about 3-4 years

so now is the time to start development of the upcoming new project, specially if GW/FW want to have plastic starter boxes, to have the stuff ready when HH ends


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/18 10:35:01


Post by: Alpharius


 kodos wrote:
book 9 should release beginning of 2020 and there are at 4 more arcs planned (at least 5 books as I guess the Solar War will have more than one)

1 to 2 books a year and the HH will be done in about 3-4 years

so now is the time to start development of the upcoming new project, specially if GW/FW want to have plastic starter boxes, to have the stuff ready when HH ends


In these perilous, grim and dark times, it is refreshing to see such an optimistic viewpoint!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/19 18:38:02


Post by: reds8n


https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

Ogor and Bonereaper FAQs are out.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/22 18:07:12


Post by: lord_blackfang


Hey this thread fell off the front page!

Bumping wiiith... official announcement for Slaves to Darkness coming this year (right at the bottom)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/22/what-is-the-varanspire/


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/22 19:22:43


Post by: Voss


Interesting that the formorians were initially enslaved by the human/elves/dwarves and not chaos.

Though for something described as 'an island' and 'a fortress,' Allpoints/Eightpoints sounds much bigger than that, with multiple cities and nations.

Is there a map somewhere?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/22 19:27:04


Post by: warl0rdb0b


None that I know off, I imagine it to be something along the lines of the size of Ireland maybe, given the note on multiple cities and nations, while the other realms would be on the level of continents if not entire worlds themselves.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/22 19:30:31


Post by: Overread


There's a bit of a map of one part in the Warcry book. It's far bigger then Ireland.

The Realms are each bigger than the Earth we live upon (bigger than the Old World); so even a whole continent would easily fit inside the eightpoints


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 01:45:47


Post by: NinthMusketeer


It seems more like each realm is the size of the old world on it's own, IMO. As for Eightpoints that still leaves tons of room for it to be a tiny island by comparison yet large enough to have multiple kingdoms within it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 15:58:09


Post by: Irbis


 kodos wrote:
book 9 should release beginning of 2020 and there are at 4 more arcs planned (at least 5 books as I guess the Solar War will have more than one)

1 to 2 books a year and the HH will be done in about 3-4 years

so now is the time to start development of the upcoming new project, specially if GW/FW want to have plastic starter boxes, to have the stuff ready when HH ends

Except they can drag HH for a decade more if they want, there is still the Scouring which was longer than HH itself (and we know it will be touched in at least some way as two of the HH books by FW already had campaigns from it).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 16:29:02


Post by: Mr Morden


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It seems more like each realm is the size of the old world on it's own, IMO. As for Eightpoints that still leaves tons of room for it to be a tiny island by comparison yet large enough to have multiple kingdoms within it.


The Mortal Realms are vast - they have dozens or even hundreds of continents.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 18:39:53


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Mr Morden wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It seems more like each realm is the size of the old world on it's own, IMO. As for Eightpoints that still leaves tons of room for it to be a tiny island by comparison yet large enough to have multiple kingdoms within it.


The Mortal Realms are vast - they have dozens or even hundreds of continents.
From the maps we have, it seems like the continents are smaller than those we have IRL, considerably so. The structure of land and water masses is completely different, no surprise given it isn't driven by plate tectonics. Notably there is much more land in the land:water ratio.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 19:44:11


Post by: kodos


Comparing the Old World map, which is about the size of the RL world
Spoiler:



which is about the same size as this:


which is just a small spot within a Realm




So the Old World could just be another small spot within a known Realm and it would be no problem at all


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 19:53:46


Post by: Mr Morden


Yep thats how I see it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 23:17:31


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Unless there are some measurements I missed we have no definite numbers on how big those each are. What if the great parch map is only the size of Ulthuan? The scale changes entirely.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/23 23:39:45


Post by: TBD


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Probably because traditionally side projects and the Horus Herasy

I misread that, and from now on will be referring to this event as "the Horus Hearsay".

-"Did you hear what that guy Horus did?"
-"No, why - was it bad?"
-"Oh, yeah, you can say that alright..."


Only the physically dying old guard remembers what he did.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 09:55:27


Post by: Geifer


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Unless there are some measurements I missed we have no definite numbers on how big those each are. What if the great parch map is only the size of Ulthuan? The scale changes entirely.


I don't think you missed anything. GW seems to have gone out of their way to not introduce tangible measurements (of both space and time) in Age of Sigmar.

Probably to make it appear more mythical and avoid continuity issues.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 10:01:36


Post by: Mr_Rose


On the other had, those are mountains marked on the Parch map and, while I doubt individual peaks are ‘accurately’ represented, they do help figure out a rough scale – unless they are being deliberately contrary of course.
That basically makes the Parch a minimum of about three times the size of Ulthuan and could be up to twenty times. Either way, it does make Aqshy vastly larger than the Old World, by an order of magnitude at least.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 12:27:12


Post by: Irbis


 Mr_Rose wrote:
On the other had, those are mountains marked on the Parch map and, while I doubt individual peaks are ‘accurately’ represented, they do help figure out a rough scale – unless they are being deliberately contrary of course.
That basically makes the Parch a minimum of about three times the size of Ulthuan and could be up to twenty times. Either way, it does make Aqshy vastly larger than the Old World, by an order of magnitude at least.

We do have much more accurate map, though, and seeing there are only like 3 cities on it Parch could be even as small as Empire province, no problem. Especially that red mountain in the middle seriously limits its size:

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 12:36:26


Post by: Mr Morden


Well Hammerhal itself is vast - the size of a small country IIRC

Cities are rarer at the moment as few survived the Age of Chaos and/or have been written about - this is changing.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 12:44:08


Post by: Overread


Cities that get mentioned, like Hammerhal, are also mega-cities. Huge fortifications and bastions against Chaos.

There are many smaller kingdoms and cities and settlements that just go unmentioned in the lore at present. They are nameless and locationless settlements that might have hidden or held out during the Age of Chaos or only been born in the time after the arrival of the Stormcast.


The time is a very hard issue to pin down because the lore stories jump around as to when they are set. Clearly since the Realmwars there have been multiple human generations and it seems even at least one or more full generations of dwarf. Aelves are harder because they live for insane numbers of years.

Human wise I'd say there's been at least a few hundred years. Enough time for many of these cities to have been built/rebuilt and to have reached a stage where those dwelling within do not remember the Age of Chaos. Of course when you consider that its not even been 100 years since World War 2 and you already cannot find much overt evidence for it in the landscape of many nations (though bombs still turn up in farmers fields in some European countries). However for vast cities to grow and for even things like Stormcast to be near a myth in some regions suggests a good few hundred years.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 12:54:21


Post by: Mr Morden


Yep

There are cities in the novels that are now getting mentions in the Battletomes or WD articles etc such as Izelend

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Izalend

Cities of Sigmar notes that just the poor population of Hammerhal is in the millions - Even Ancient Rome only had about a million at its greatest and that was not matched in Western Europe for a long time.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 12:57:35


Post by: Cronch


It's roughly 150 years give or take based on information in the BL books. AoS is heroic fantasy, so everything's REAL BIG. I mean, Hammerhal Aqshy built a lava-moat and directed it through the realmgate to Ghyran to stop plantlife from overgrowing the other side of the city.

As for size of realms, it's said it would take roughly a lifetime of a person to walk from one edge of a realm to another, assuming of course they could last a second in the raw magic of the outer edge of the realms. That's significantly larger than Earth, which you really need a few years at most to walk around the landmass of.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 13:50:36


Post by: GaroRobe


Cronch wrote:
It's roughly 150 years give or take based on information in the BL books. AoS is heroic fantasy, so everything's REAL BIG. I mean, Hammerhal Aqshy built a lava-moat and directed it through the realmgate to Ghyran to stop plantlife from overgrowing the other side of the city.

As for size of realms, it's said it would take roughly a lifetime of a person to walk from one edge of a realm to another, assuming of course they could last a second in the raw magic of the outer edge of the realms. That's significantly larger than Earth, which you really need a few years at most to walk around the landmass of.


How hard would a lava moat even be? Pay a few fyreslayer priests and they can easily control the magma


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 16:04:29


Post by: Mr_Rose


Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 16:13:42


Post by: GaroRobe


 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.


That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 16:23:40


Post by: Kanluwen


GaroRobe wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.


That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army

Well, Court of the Blind King is apparently introducing the Valay(half squid, half-duardin) into the lore so...

With regards to the whole 'lava moat' thing:
Remember that Hammerhal is the 'city of two realms'. Half of it is in Ghyran(Realm of Life), half in Aqshy. The halves are connected through a massive, open Realmgate. Fyreslayers and Collegiate Arcane redirected lava flows through the gate in Aqshy to form said moat in Ghyran.
Highly suggest anyone interested in reading about it check pgs 12+13 in Cities of Sigmar.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/24 22:04:04


Post by: AduroT


GaroRobe wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Especially on Aqshy; be harder to make a moat of water there, really.


That's what we need. Wyterslayers. The tiny allies of the Deepkin. Or Fireaelves. Which I actually want to convert one day, so hopefully GW won't release a far superior looking army


Everything was fine, and then the Fireaelves attacked.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 00:27:06


Post by: Irbis


 Mr Morden wrote:
Well Hammerhal itself is vast - the size of a small country

If it has millions of inhabitants, it can't be size of small country. Ancient Rome had over million and it was pretty small. Either it has billions of inhabitants, or is the size of San Marino sized country at best.

Ditto with the mountain, there is actually hard limit how big mountains can be on Earth (less than 10 km). Any higher and it starts to fall apart as the rock can't resist stresses pulling it apart. And that's regular mountain, not much weaker volcano. Even if you were to make it from superhard rock, at that point it would start sinking in the crust, if not pierce it outright.

Higher mountains are possible, but they require weaker gravity, like on Mars, and even then making tall, sharp mountain is impossible - the 20 km tall volcano on Mars is more of a small plateau, stretching hundreds of km to the sides to support its height even in the pitiful gravity and rock solid surface of Mars...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 00:28:51


Post by: Overread


There are loads of countries that don't have billions of people.

London is the size of a small country and easily has 10million or more living within it and that's with high rise buildings and modern infrastructure


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 10:18:50


Post by: Cronch


Ah yes, the gravity and physics of a flat disc where mountains theoretically couldn't form much because there is no tectonics since it has nothing beyond the crust. That's the real limiting factor in how large the mountains can be in a setting where if you get too close to the edge of the world you can get pregnant, turn into a tree and flock of butterflies all at the same time


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 10:52:58


Post by: Overread


Don't make me go looking for Diskworld science to justify all this.


Interestingly, long before he wrote the colour of magic, TP did write a short story about a sci-fi based diskworld.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 12:53:26


Post by: Cronch


First Pratchett book I actually read, needless to say I was quite confused by lack of continuity with his actual Discworld series at first!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 13:03:01


Post by: Overread


First one I was was Darkside of the Sun and to this day I seem to be one of the exceptional few who has read it compared to the legions who have read the Diskworld books. Which is odd because he even got several covers of it done with the same Diskworld art style.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/25 13:11:01


Post by: Chikout


One of the things that first attracted me to AOS was how similar some of it is to the discworld. Ankh Morpork is a city that could easily exist in the mortal realms.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/30 19:52:02


Post by: Voss


So, Skaven Christmas box
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Corrupting-War-Swarm-2019

It doesn't show up in any of the group shots, but if you scroll through the images there are randomly pictures (painted: 3rd picture in second row and sprue: 3rd picture first row of third set) of the finecast version of Lord Skrolk (now just a 'plague priest')

But the box itself and the group photo just shows the alternate sculpt from the Screaming Bell/Plague Furnance

Anyone know what's going on here, did they really plop a Finecast Skrolk model in each of these boxes? Or just a random error with incorrect pictures?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/30 20:41:42


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Going by the description I think you do not and they accidentally included the wrong plague priest for the individual images.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/11/30 21:02:50


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


Confusion with the Plague Furnace Plague Priest seems the logical explanation, although it's interesting they have the sprue picture of the finecast boy.
They don't typically have the sprue pictures of those anywhere, and the actual listing in the webstore does indeed not have it in this case either.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 18:05:29


Post by: DaveC


Next weeks releases

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/01/coming-soon-chaos-cults-ogre-teams-war-in-rohan-and-more/

Slaves to Darkness



Warcry Warbands are just doubled in size.



Aos Terrain



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 18:25:53


Post by: Cataphract


I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 18:41:52


Post by: Overread


Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.


I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:01:21


Post by: Tim the Biovore


GW wrote:You’ll get nine updated Chaos Warriors, plus a Champion, five mounted Chaos Knights, a stunning Chaos Lord mounted on a Karkadrak and a Chaos beast we’ve never seen before.


So I'm guessing this is just an awkwardly worded way of saying that the "Karkadrak" is the "Chaos beast we've never seen before"?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:01:39


Post by: zamerion


I wonder if the two missing bands of warcry will come in the codex


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:11:26


Post by: Overread


Tim the Biovore wrote:
GW wrote:You’ll get nine updated Chaos Warriors, plus a Champion, five mounted Chaos Knights, a stunning Chaos Lord mounted on a Karkadrak and a Chaos beast we’ve never seen before.


So I'm guessing this is just an awkwardly worded way of saying that the "Karkadrak" is the "Chaos beast we've never seen before"?


Yeah because they don't show any other model even in the cover-photo for the boxed set, which would be very abnormal for GW. It's juts some bad wording

zamerion wrote:I wonder if the two missing bands of warcry will come in the codex


Well Spire Tyrants have already been previewed as coming early next year. So I'd expect to see them and the new beasties appearing in the Battletome. GW appears a bit less neurotic about having stuff in Battletomes/Codex without models on sale - as long as they've something going on sale "soon" in their ilne up. Just look at how they've left nearly a year without releasing the new Skaven or Flesh Eaters models to general retail releases.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:21:38


Post by: Galas


TWO FEMALE OGRES. OMG. They look great, specially the one with the valkiria braids.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:44:35


Post by: Voss


 Overread wrote:
Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.


I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.


I'd hope they tweak them a little. There are a couple alternate builds that can't be used because one version 'must' be present for every 8/9 models. In the case of the iron golems, its the standard bearer, which is pretty pointless thing to have multiples of.
Plus they're uneven, with variations in attacks, wounds, and special rules- some have distinct roles, others are pretty meh.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:48:41


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Voss wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Cataphract wrote:
I wonder if they will change up the rules for the Warcry war bands then.


I'd be surprised, I'd wager those are the rules they will get, same for their current points value. The only thing that will change is going to be based on allegiance abilities within Slaves to Darkness.


I'd hope they tweak them a little. There are a couple alternate builds that can't be used because one version 'must' be present for every 8/9 models. In the case of the iron golems, its the standard bearer, which is pretty pointless thing to have multiples of.


The photo of the Iron Golems box shows one Signifier, and one of the alternate build. I'd assume that means they've tweaked it.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 19:54:37


Post by: Binabik15


One SC and Grot Bommers or two SCs


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 20:12:28


Post by: Ordana


 Galas wrote:
TWO FEMALE OGRES. OMG. They look great, specially the one with the valkiria braids.
Spoiler:

Has warhammer finally gone to far?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 20:30:15


Post by: NinthMusketeer


That satanic fire-breathing endless spell looks awesome, especially with that paint job. Other ones look cool too, excited to see what the rules are. Definitely interested in double-size warcry reboxes, concerned what the price may be.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 20:37:30


Post by: Overread


$65 according to the spreadsheet leak which has been pretty accurate so far.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 21:00:39


Post by: ScarletRose


I like those endless spells a lot. Along with the new battletome and SC I'm really thinking it's time to dust off my Chaos warriors.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 21:04:00


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Man that burning icon is great. Have to find a way to get that from the set.

And I want the Lord on Chaos Crocodile... sorry, Karkadrak™.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 21:46:25


Post by: Jackal90


I think that burning icon is going to be part of tons of conversions in the future.
Almost too good to pass up.

Just hoping forgeworld give chaos dwarves some love.
Wouldn’t mind some endless spells and a bit of terrain.
Hell, I’d settle for having the skullcracker mould fixed.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 22:29:10


Post by: lord_blackfang


Those spells look boring for spells, but great terrain/conversion bits.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 22:35:02


Post by: Overread


Jackal90 wrote:
I think that burning icon is going to be part of tons of conversions in the future.
Almost too good to pass up.

Just hoping forgeworld give chaos dwarves some love.
Wouldn’t mind some endless spells and a bit of terrain.
Hell, I’d settle for having the skullcracker mould fixed.


At present FW seems to be going in the opposite direction. Even with GW central now doing the rules they are still rather undervalued as models so far as central GW is concerned it seems. Far less advertising; almost nothing new (the only new things AoS has had in 5 years are the Chaos Dragon that started in the End Times and 12 new Stormcast heads). Meanwhile we've actually lost several models recently and a few more this this weekend have a big question mark over them (including the warpfire dragon - however they are only listed as sold-out which might just mean FW has to get new moulds cast for them).

However they still have odd rules in so much as when you compare things like exalted and regular greater demons the FW offerings appear to be weaker/less interesting. Meanwhile destruction still has multiple models listed that would easily fit into the themes of other factions (including a huge undersea monster that still, for some unfathomable reason, isn't allowed for the Idoneth).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 23:16:04


Post by: Jackal90


 Overread wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
I think that burning icon is going to be part of tons of conversions in the future.
Almost too good to pass up.

Just hoping forgeworld give chaos dwarves some love.
Wouldn’t mind some endless spells and a bit of terrain.
Hell, I’d settle for having the skullcracker mould fixed.


At present FW seems to be going in the opposite direction. Even with GW central now doing the rules they are still rather undervalued as models so far as central GW is concerned it seems. Far less advertising; almost nothing new (the only new things AoS has had in 5 years are the Chaos Dragon that started in the End Times and 12 new Stormcast heads). Meanwhile we've actually lost several models recently and a few more this this weekend have a big question mark over them (including the warpfire dragon - however they are only listed as sold-out which might just mean FW has to get new moulds cast for them).

However they still have odd rules in so much as when you compare things like exalted and regular greater demons the FW offerings appear to be weaker/less interesting. Meanwhile destruction still has multiple models listed that would easily fit into the themes of other factions (including a huge undersea monster that still, for some unfathomable reason, isn't allowed for the Idoneth).



While it’s not much more, remember that they have added stuff like Shar’tor too.
I believe he was the first AoS era model to drop from them.
While it has been stupidly quiet, legion of Azgorh do have entries in the GHB 2019, so squatting doesn’t seem likely.
My only annoyance is that they have been limited for quite a while, so if FW don’t repair moulds, they will die off because of that.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/01 23:41:36


Post by: GoatboyBeta


I wonder if the Spire Tyrants and the Scions of the Flame warbands will go straight to these double sized boxes, or if they will have an initial run of the smaller sets + cards?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 01:30:29


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Well they'll get Warcry boxes with the cards and whatnot, and then hopefully double boxes right from the go.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 04:36:18


Post by: Carlovonsexron


I hope that too, but I think its.pretty likely they'll be staggered by a few weeks, at least.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:05:51


Post by: Marshal Loss


I see I was correct in my belief that the Slaves to Darkness SC box isn't replacing anything. Good stuff.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:12:07


Post by: Tim the Biovore


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/02/kit-focus-start-collecting-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-1/

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I see I was correct in my belief that the Slaves to Darkness SC box isn't replacing anything. Good stuff.


No kidding. Genuinely disappointing, that. And to think they nearly had me coming back.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:19:11


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/02/kit-focus-start-collecting-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-1/

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I see I was correct in my belief that the Slaves to Darkness SC box isn't replacing anything. Good stuff.


No kidding. Genuinely disappointing, that. And to think they nearly had me coming back.


So what you are saying is that you wanted them to discontinue some models?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:26:49


Post by: Binabik15


The CW helmets are not all great, but those bare heads are oh so sweet. I guess two boxes it is. 20 knights - later on 25 - should be nice enough for an Order of the Fly list. Maybe...there will even be advantages to run a ton of knights instead of 40 men blobs of marauders :O


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:28:11


Post by: Overread


I think he means he'd rather they discontinued the only knights and warriors and replaced them with these newer sculpts with multi-part options for various weapons. Rather than the current setup where you've got old warriors, old knights and at least one weapon upgrade pack for the warriors.

So nothing would be lost from the army, just updated with a new sculpt.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 18:31:13


Post by: Tim the Biovore


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/02/kit-focus-start-collecting-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-1/

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I see I was correct in my belief that the Slaves to Darkness SC box isn't replacing anything. Good stuff.


No kidding. Genuinely disappointing, that. And to think they nearly had me coming back.


So what you are saying is that you wanted them to discontinue some models?


Yes? Isn't that how updated kits tend to work?

The current Chaos Warriors were fine for WHFB, but they're just sad and outdated in AoS.

EDIT: Overread's on the money


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 19:34:45


Post by: zamerion


interesting that tyrants from warcry are in the pictures.

i hope to see scions of the flame too


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 19:54:09


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 19:58:36


Post by: Sarouan


 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.


It's a bad thing because GW does it. When it is Mantic Games, it is genius. See the trick ?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 20:47:23


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Sarouan wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.


It's a bad thing because GW does it. When it is Mantic Games, it is genius. See the trick ?
Ohhhh, I get it now!


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 20:47:27


Post by: Galas


If they kept the old chaos warriors with the new chaos warriors in the multipart plastic kit then thats great, more variety.

But the days of the old chaos warrior kit are clearly counted.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 23:28:55


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.


You must be new here.

Personally, I'm digging the new sculpts, and I'm okay with the classic kits not going away quite yet. Until they have a multi-part kit that covers all available weapon options, they should keep those around.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 23:54:59


Post by: aracersss


Did anyone noticed the warcry band in the backgroun ...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/02 23:55:34


Post by: Eldarain


Chosen as well (was sure they'd get retired)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 00:39:21


Post by: NurglesR0T


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Man that burning icon is great. Have to find a way to get that from the set.

And I want the Lord on Chaos Crocodile... sorry, Karkadrak™.


Both should hit eBay not long after the box is released (that's how I got my individual endless spells without having to buy the whole lot.)

 Overread wrote:
I think he means he'd rather they discontinued the only knights and warriors and replaced them with these newer sculpts with multi-part options for various weapons. Rather than the current setup where you've got old warriors, old knights and at least one weapon upgrade pack for the warriors.

So nothing would be lost from the army, just updated with a new sculpt.


I would not be surprised at all if in a few months time once the SC box has been around for long enough they will break them down into MPPK boxes for sale (the new Chosen also make me believe that there will be much more for SoD being released later down the track)




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 02:43:48


Post by: rybackstun


I like that they are not discontinuing the old Chaos Warriors. I genuinely love the look of those guys as they make amazing rank and file members of the general Chaos Army, while the new guys looks like THEY should be Chosen, or something more elite.

Seeing that people can get both is a great way to keep the old fans of the models (like me) interested in continuing to purchase product.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 05:16:28


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.
It's baffling, huh?

Really this is just a pivot on what Start Collectings! are. Soon they'll all be more simplistic minis (like the last 2 that came out, and this one), and not something existing players use to bulk up an army.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 05:43:02


Post by: ImAGeek


 NurglesR0T wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Man that burning icon is great. Have to find a way to get that from the set.

And I want the Lord on Chaos Crocodile... sorry, Karkadrak™.


Both should hit eBay not long after the box is released (that's how I got my individual endless spells without having to buy the whole lot.)

 Overread wrote:
I think he means he'd rather they discontinued the only knights and warriors and replaced them with these newer sculpts with multi-part options for various weapons. Rather than the current setup where you've got old warriors, old knights and at least one weapon upgrade pack for the warriors.

So nothing would be lost from the army, just updated with a new sculpt.


I would not be surprised at all if in a few months time once the SC box has been around for long enough they will break them down into MPPK boxes for sale (the new Chosen also make me believe that there will be much more for SoD being released later down the track)




Those aren’t new Chosen, they’re the existing ones.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 06:04:04


Post by: Tim the Biovore


I mean, the assumption in my earlier posts is that there aren't full kits on the way, and the SC set is the extent of the update (which is how I read the article), in which case, yeah, there's no reason to discontinue the current Warriors and Knights and lose every option not in the box. Thought that was fairly obvious, but if it wasn't clear enough, then my bad, I'll cop that.

As much as I dislike the current models for the Warriors (the Knights are perfectly fine), I wouldn't be happy with the ten in the SC set being the only ten available. That's why it's disappointing to me. More than happy to be incredibly wrong, but until we get confirmation otherwise, what we're getting now is a "starter" set that goes nowhere.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 06:17:23


Post by: Voss


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm surprised someone is able to frame new and old kits being available concurrently as a bad thing, but whatever.
It's baffling, huh?

Really this is just a pivot on what Start Collectings! are. Soon they'll all be more simplistic minis (like the last 2 that came out, and this one), and not something existing players use to bulk up an army.


But... all three _can_ be used to bulk up an army.

Seriously, the SM is $15 cheaper than the two boxes of it that are actually available, and gets you the unit that doesn't otherwise exist, plus the yet-another-lieutenant. You might have to buy the eliminators separately (though those are also out of stock still) if you want las-talons, but it seems pretty hard to justify $50 for 3 guns.

Chaos Marines are similar, and arguably even better at army building.

This one isn't quite as clear since the price/unit size of the old models is different, but I'd definitely take the new warriors with set poses over the march-of-the-clones warriors. Multiple boxes don't seem at all a bad thing, though there is less value than the Marine ones.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 10:43:36


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Sure, if you want to bulk up your army with the same minis repeated over and over again. Does everyone want the same two Greater Possessed over and over? Chaos Lord on Chaos Crododile? Same Phobos LT in the same post over and over?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 10:52:44


Post by: Hanskrampf


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure, if you want to bulk up your army with the same minis repeated over and over again. Does everyone want the same two Greater Possessed over and over? Chaos Lord on Chaos Crododile? Same Phobos LT in the same post over and over?

Not saying it is a good thing, but it has always been like that, only now everything is in plastic instead of metal/resin. Just looking at the ogre lineup without 3rd party stuff.... Frost Sabre pack of 12 with only 2 slightly different poses. 3 Butcher with different heads, and two weapon options, etc.
Monopose models are pretty awesome, because they allow for far better poses, but GW builds games where you want to have multiples of the same unit/hero.
I think the Primaris kits are a pretty decent compromise between these two worlds. Body posture is fixed (5 variations), but there are so many arms and heads, no model looks the same.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 11:07:29


Post by: Cronch


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure, if you want to bulk up your army with the same minis repeated over and over again. Does everyone want the same two Greater Possessed over and over? Chaos Lord on Chaos Crododile? Same Phobos LT in the same post over and over?

Does anyone realistically buy 2x the same HQ/Hero model?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 11:19:42


Post by: tneva82


 Overread wrote:
I think he means he'd rather they discontinued the only knights and warriors and replaced them with these newer sculpts with multi-part options for various weapons. Rather than the current setup where you've got old warriors, old knights and at least one weapon upgrade pack for the warriors.

So nothing would be lost from the army, just updated with a new sculpt.


Well they could still do that later. Remember until GW is ready to announce it they will deny it. Even if announcement is in 2 weeks. So no reason this can't be for few months and THEN come multi part kit. Wouldn't be first time GW has done that.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 11:54:07


Post by: Dread Master


Yeah... I think some folks are reading a bit much into this. The article just says that these kits aren’t replacing the existing ones, and if you like the old, you can keep using them. That doesn’t indicate to me that new multipart kits aren’t going to happen. Just that while this SC is introduced, you can still use the old multipart kit. They don’t appear to be saying much at all about the future,really.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 13:47:40


Post by: Carnikang


Cronch wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure, if you want to bulk up your army with the same minis repeated over and over again. Does everyone want the same two Greater Possessed over and over? Chaos Lord on Chaos Crododile? Same Phobos LT in the same post over and over?

Does anyone realistically buy 2x the same HQ/Hero model?


Depends on the kit, and whether you want to use it as a conversion base or not. I know I've done that with several GSC hero/commander models.

I like the new Krakalackadile a lot. And might try to change it a bit if I get more then one SC.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 17:14:22


Post by: Voss


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/03/faction-focus-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-2/

Faction Focus

'In-game, you’ll be able to harness the fickle blessings of the Chaos Gods with a truly glorious random table. Roll after you slay a hero or a monster and you could see some incredible new powers, including transformation into a Daemon Prince. Or you might transform into a Spawn – the gods have a sick sense of humour like that.'


Nothing inspires more fear in me (while controlling that army) than a 'truly glorious random table.' They trend toward actively terrible.



-----
 Carnikang wrote:

I like the new Krakalackadile a lot. And might try to change it a bit if I get more then one SC.

Ah goofy fantasy names. It doesn't help that it looks like a typo for Kraka Drak, the norse dwarf stronghold.
Though imagining it as a lizard made up of the essence of thousands of dwarf corpses helps, oddly enough.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 17:16:07


Post by: zamerion


I'm still hoping to see the scions of flame in this codex


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 17:25:11


Post by: Voss


The Ravagers are rather interesting, given that aura abilities get better for the army general. You can basically tailor and buff sections of the battlefield as you need it.


On an odder note....
These could be Chaos Warriors for an elite force, Chaos Marauders for a horde, or Chaos Knights and Marauder Horsemen for faster, mounted horses!

mounted...horses?

I know what they were going for here, but, mounted horses sounds like the start of a weird hentai pyramid scheme, when they should have been aiming for 'faster mounted units or faster mounted troops'


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 17:53:05


Post by: Galas


The Ravagers sound extremely cool to play, TBH.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 19:23:05


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Hmm... I see a direct reference to "Chaos Undivided". So that's changed again.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 20:00:23


Post by: lord_blackfang


Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/03/faction-focus-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-2/

Faction Focus

'In-game, you’ll be able to harness the fickle blessings of the Chaos Gods with a truly glorious random table. Roll after you slay a hero or a monster and you could see some incredible new powers, including transformation into a Daemon Prince. Or you might transform into a Spawn – the gods have a sick sense of humour like that.'


Nothing inspires more fear in me (while controlling that army) than a 'truly glorious random table.' They trend toward actively terrible.



So the table from CSM 1 or 2 editions ago. Pure cancer.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/03 20:15:42


Post by: zamerion




Can anyone watch it?

i really need to know if scions of the flame are in this book




pd. Does anyone know if there will be a seminar at PAX Unplugged this weekend?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 01:13:33


Post by: Voss


I assume if they were doing a thing at Pax, they'd have a banner on the WarCom site announcing it, promising reveals. They've been pretty consistent about it for event coverage this year.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 01:22:03


Post by: Ghaz


The next preview will most likely be at the New Year Open Day on January 4th.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 04:04:28


Post by: nagash42


I want to see what mark of Slaanesh does.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 05:02:50


Post by: Danny76


 Ghaz wrote:
The next preview will most likely be at the New Year Open Day on January 4th.


I’m sure I’d seen them mention that the 40k open day was the last preview of the year.
Though I suppose that could have meant last 40k one and not overall, but..


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 05:03:16


Post by: NurglesR0T


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/03/faction-focus-slaves-to-darknessgw-homepage-post-2/

Faction Focus

'In-game, you’ll be able to harness the fickle blessings of the Chaos Gods with a truly glorious random table. Roll after you slay a hero or a monster and you could see some incredible new powers, including transformation into a Daemon Prince. Or you might transform into a Spawn – the gods have a sick sense of humour like that.'


Nothing inspires more fear in me (while controlling that army) than a 'truly glorious random table.' They trend toward actively terrible.



So the table from CSM 1 or 2 editions ago. Pure cancer.


That was my first thought too. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks to the previous 40k Daemons Codex and the 30min pre-game book keeping phase "just sit tight for a while while I roll all my boons and gifts"





Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 06:33:17


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Well the WoC one from 8th was pretty good, so I wouldn't give up hope yet.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 07:40:32


Post by: zamerion


 Ghaz wrote:
The next preview will most likely be at the New Year Open Day on January 4th.



full reveal of the next psychic awakening is on December 25

If chaos battletome has rules for tyrants and the ogroid (they look in the pictures), the logical thing would be to also have rules for scions of the flame and other monsters, so the ideal would be to show them at pax.

If they don't include the rules of scions of the flame in the book, it would be a bit shabby to leave a single chaotic band out of the book


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 10:13:14


Post by: Geifer


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the WoC one from 8th was pretty good, so I wouldn't give up hope yet.


This right here. The 8th ed Eye off the Gods table wasn't remotely comparable to its dumb 40k counterpart.

It was a 2D6 table with mostly good results and the ability to manipulate it with the Chaos Shrine. It may have even been a little too good considering it gave me an unbeaten Chaos Lord who always took down the enemy army by herself while the rest of the army mostly just stood there and cheered her on.

I will say I was not impressed with how the Vortex Beast lost its random table, too, when AoS came out. That used to be great fun. People can be skeptical about random tables all they want, I say a Chaos army without them is dull and boring. Part of the reason why I played Slaves to Darkness exactly once. The army had lost any and all flavor in the transition to Age of Sigmar (which, admittedly, was partly due to the core rules of AoS - the odd random table alone wouldn't have done anything to fix that).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 11:08:41


Post by: Irbis


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure, if you want to bulk up your army with the same minis repeated over and over again. Does everyone want the same two Greater Possessed over and over? Chaos Lord on Chaos Crododile? Same Phobos LT in the same post over and over?

I had no idea GW forbid doing conversions and made CSM and SM arms/heads/other stuff no longer compatible. It's like half of the fun in this hobby is making your own stuff, did they blocked it with mandatory prison sentences or should I just pay a fine?

As for the Lord, please, not only there is a whole range of bits to swap (in the same box, even), but you're also acting like any GW box ever that was a Character on Beast was in any way not-repeatable. If anything, plastics are getting better at this, instead of terribad Fantasy metals that were impossible to convert you often have multiple heads and other stuff to differentiate appearance of big AoS kits. Look at say Lord of Change or bonestealer mounted General and tell me with a straight face any Fantasy kit was better (especially their direct equivalents)...


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Post by: Galas


I think having SC! boxes with the monopose/starterlike plastics is a bad thing, because it disallows people from buying multiples to make their armies cheaper.

I could accept it with the excuse of "but they are doing it to make the boxes cheaper, so they catter more for new players" if that were true. Yes, the Stormcast and the Bloodbound boxes that feature the miniatures from the first AoS starter are still at the old cost of 65€. But the new ones from Shadowspear for example are at 80€, the higher of the new SC! cost.

And I doubt this new Slaves to Darkness SC! will cost 65€. It will probably be also 80€.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 11:27:05


Post by: Overread


I can see GW's angle, esp for AoS. There's a couple of AoS factions which have so few models you basically only buy start collecting sets for them. Flesheaters its pretty much ALL in the start collecting set and GW even made it more practical by giving them the ability to take an army of all dragon/gast models.

So I can see where their logic comes from that the start collecting set is supposed to be a starting point that offers discount to get in the door, then GW cleans up profits from sales of model sets through regular channels.


The only real issues are going to be when they've got it like Slaves appears to be; where they've got two different and distinct styles of model. Hopefully that's just a short term thing and in the new year we'll see new knight and warrior kits released for Slaves.

In theory for expanding the core basic units it shouldn't be a huge problem. Even with variable parts most GW kits have a limited range of practical poses of weapons and heads and such. With many having quite a fixed leg and torso construction. So variable parts is never going to give infinite variety (at least in a practical sense).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 11:46:43


Post by: Irbis


 Galas wrote:
I think having SC! boxes with the monopose/starterlike plastics is a bad thing, because it disallows people from buying multiples to make their armies cheaper.

I could accept it with the excuse of "but they are doing it to make the boxes cheaper, so they catter more for new players" if that were true.

Why? Having new poses is good, and you can always grab a box of multipose unit to mix and match/customize them to produce something new, at least if my experience with primaris is any indication. The price issue is entirely different matter, caused by price raises of SC kits in March, and would have been a problem no matter if the SC had monopose or normal kits...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 11:51:13


Post by: Galas


I don't disagree with having monopose and then multipart. Thats why I always buy the monopose options at least once , to add variety to my forces.

But as you say, money is the problem here. Because they are charging you the same for less options. Multipart kits are not only a matter of more options in poses but also, normally, in weapons, etc...


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 12:10:25


Post by: Cronch


Multipart no longer means multipose though. Take Namarti thralls and reavers, one of the newer kits. Just about the only thing you can pick and mix are heads. Besides that you get to pick between two weapons for about 5 out of the 10 models in the box, so if you have 20 models, you've exhausted all the posing options.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 14:08:35


Post by: Ghaz


Danny76 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
The next preview will most likely be at the New Year Open Day on January 4th.


I’m sure I’d seen them mention that the 40k open day was the last preview of the year.
Though I suppose that could have meant last 40k one and not overall, but..

You do realize that the New Year Open Day occurs next year?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 15:01:44


Post by: Voss


 Galas wrote:
I don't disagree with having monopose and then multipart. Thats why I always buy the monopose options at least once , to add variety to my forces.

But as you say, money is the problem here. Because they are charging you the same for less options. Multipart kits are not only a matter of more options in poses but also, normally, in weapons, etc...


Which isn't a factor with the existing chaos warriors at all. Those are old sprues with a ton of empty, wasted space consisting of nigh-identical bodies (including legs and heads) and a 'choice' of two weapons or shields that need to be jammed onto the sides of the model with green stuff and hope.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 16:25:28


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Multipose is overrated. The current chaos warriors and knights are multipose and it doesn't do them any good, because there is only a limited range where the posing makes sense next to the 'one size fits all' torso. By making monopose the entire body of the model can be posed so it fits with the positioning of the limbs, and the end result is dynamic poses that would look completely awkward otherwise.

Also, 10x different monoposes? Even in a 30-man unit that isn't going to be very apparent.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 16:38:30


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


I think the option of both helmet and bare head for each Chaos Warrior helps, to an extent. Throw in potential weapon and shield swaps for anyone with a degree of modelling skill and you should be able to get enough variety out of the kit for as many Warriors as you would ever want or need.



Spoiler:





Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 16:53:27


Post by: NinthMusketeer


It's funny how derpy those heads look when taken put of the context of the larger miniature.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 17:02:26


Post by: John Prins


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It's funny how derpy those heads look when taken put of the context of the larger miniature.


I kind of expect Chaos Warriors to have derpy faces, what with all the fighting and mutation.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 17:12:05


Post by: Jpogfreak886


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It's funny how derpy those heads look when taken put of the context of the larger miniature.


Especially the guy in the second row with the mono-horn. I'm sure he looks like a big savage rhino-brute when it's on a model, but he makes smile just as a head

EDIT: and I don't think I could resist turning the head in the bottom right into a Shovel Knight reference


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 17:26:15


Post by: Scrub


I'm looking forward to mixing things up between different kits with the new knights, warriors and Warcry sprues. Plenty of scope for some unique and interesting looking models.

As a starting point I think the Iron Golems and Spire Tyrants in particular will benefit from some of the above head and weapon options.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 17:53:19


Post by: Ghaz


 Jpogfreak886 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It's funny how derpy those heads look when taken put of the context of the larger miniature.


Especially the guy in the second row with the mono-horn. I'm sure he looks like a big savage rhino-brute when it's on a model, but he makes smile just as a head

EDIT: and I don't think I could resist turning the head in the bottom right into a Shovel Knight reference

Nurgle has a fair number of models with 'mono-horns' especially Plaguebearers.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 19:41:11


Post by: Jpogfreak886


 Ghaz wrote:
 Jpogfreak886 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It's funny how derpy those heads look when taken put of the context of the larger miniature.


Especially the guy in the second row with the mono-horn. I'm sure he looks like a big savage rhino-brute when it's on a model, but he makes smile just as a head

EDIT: and I don't think I could resist turning the head in the bottom right into a Shovel Knight reference

Nurgle has a fair number of models with 'mono-horns' especially Plaguebearers.


I'm sure that's what they were going for, but to me it just looks like an ice cream cone hit him in the forehead. I love it and I know it'll look great on the whole model, but as just a head it makes him look like a funny baby.

Wait! I know what it is! He looks like a thumb with a big pointed nail


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 21:33:54


Post by: NurglesR0T


Cronch wrote:
Multipart no longer means multipose though. Take Namarti thralls and reavers, one of the newer kits. Just about the only thing you can pick and mix are heads. Besides that you get to pick between two weapons for about 5 out of the 10 models in the box, so if you have 20 models, you've exhausted all the posing options.


This has been the trend easily for the last 5 years with new kits so people can't exactly be too surprised with it



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 21:41:16


Post by: lord_blackfang


I for one think 10 significantly distinct monoposes give a more varied army than the classic 4 legs + 4 torsos deal that barely differ and realistically can only be rotated a few degrees at the waist, shoudlers and neck before they start looking like they need an ambulance.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 21:42:27


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Say that when your army has 100 of them.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 21:49:35


Post by: lord_blackfang


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Say that when your army has 100 of them.


That's 10 of each of 10 vastly different dudes - and they usually still have weapon and head swaps - compared to 25 copies of each chest and legs where the same pair will still come up 4 times each, with minor rotations, and have generally less distinct poses because every part needs to fit with every other part, and you end up with 100 marines that all look like they're trying to walk while holding in a poop, 50 of them left leg forward and 50 of them right leg forward, and only waiving their arms slightly differently to each other,.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 22:34:24


Post by: Ghaz


From War of Sigmar:

Spoiler:

It looks like the Ogroid Myrmidon will be in the Slaves to Darkness battletome.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 22:42:17


Post by: Mr Morden


Cool - the more non human Chaos worshippers the better - makes it more interesting for me


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 22:50:48


Post by: Galas


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Say that when your army has 100 of them.


That's 10 of each of 10 vastly different dudes - and they usually still have weapon and head swaps - compared to 25 copies of each chest and legs where the same pair will still come up 4 times each, with minor rotations, and have generally less distinct poses because every part needs to fit with every other part, and you end up with 100 marines that all look like they're trying to walk while holding in a poop, 50 of them left leg forward and 50 of them right leg forward, and only waiving their arms slightly differently to each other,.


All you are saying is actually true.

But what is also true is that our brain is wired to find patterns with great speed. That means to our eyes, those 10 exact same dudes will look much worse and be much more obvious than those 25 dudes that are just slighly different.

And as I said, I'm not opposed to modern plastic (Intercessors for example. 5 body posses but free arms, heads, weapon options, etc... those still allow for a ton of variety).

But that is not the same that this chaos warrior kit. Is the same difference from Shadowspear chaos marines and the multipart plastic kit.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 22:57:30


Post by: zamerion


from sandlemad on tga information from twitch:

Spoiler:
Soooo the twitch preview of the Slaves to Darkness battletome just mentioned that each of the four StD subfactions has an associated short story written by none other than Aaron Dempski-Bowden, presumably on the model of the Josh Reynolds stories in the Cities of Sigmar battletome.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 23:03:04


Post by: Cronch


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Say that when your army has 100 of them.

They will still look more unique than 100 of the bus-rider chaos warriors, all lined up and holding their suitcases, i mean shields, tight. At that size of units (i assume no one would actually field 10x10) they all look like blobs of whatever you painted them in anyway.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/04 23:24:59


Post by: nels1031


zamerion wrote:
from sandlemad on tga information from twitch:

Spoiler:
Soooo the twitch preview of the Slaves to Darkness battletome just mentioned that each of the four StD subfactions has an associated short story written by none other than Aaron Dempski-Bowden, presumably on the model of the Josh Reynolds stories in the Cities of Sigmar battletome.


Thats awesome. Hope we get more of ADB in the Mortal Realms.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 01:54:05


Post by: streetsamurai


These chaos warriors and knights are pure greatness. Would be such a shame if they don't give us real multipart kits though


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 02:41:20


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Say that when your army has 100 of them.
2000 points spent on the same unit?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 02:57:39


Post by: Crimson


JFC, is someone actually preferring the old chaos warriors over these? Those guys are not multipose, the basically have one pose and it is rather awkward looking.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 05:04:03


Post by: Saturmorn Carvilli


I think the new models will mix in fine with the old ones. They are probably going to form the first rank or front of my Chaos Warriors units as they look far more like they are attacking while the rest of the formation is waiting their turn. I am more curious about the new knights since those are lances not glaives they are carrying.

I don't think the old Chaos Warriors are too bad. A little dated, but not too bad. Better than the old Chaos Space Marines were. I recently built mine (in the Spoiler) for AoS so I could mix things up a bit with them. I tried to personalize them all without going with too much effort. I think Cronch is correct that at certain point no matter how they are modeled, they start to blend into a blob. That's is just what is going to happen with a big crowd.

Spoiler:

I am still painting them as I have only had them about 3 weeks along with the rest of the beginnings of a S2D army


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 05:50:23


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 Crimson wrote:
JFC, is someone actually preferring the old chaos warriors over these? Those guys are not multipose, the basically have one pose and it is rather awkward looking.

If I played AoS, I'm not sure. I don't think I would want more than 20 of them; i.e. one duplicate for which it wouldn't be too difficult to have a conversion to conceal the fact that it is a duplicate.
For a small skirmish game, sure, I'd take the new ones any day of the week.
If I wanted to add them to a WHFB army, the old ones. They actually look like a disciplined unit, they won't have weird action poses when not near the enemy (i.e. in the back rank) and they can actually be ranked up of course.

I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses.

Besides, the "slowly striding forwards" poses remind me of the initial glimpses of them in the Mark of Chaos trailer, and that alone makes them good.



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 08:08:09


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses.
Good to see some people get what I'm talking about.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Besides, the "slowly striding forwards" poses remind me of the initial glimpses of them in the Mark of Chaos trailer, and that alone makes them good.
That is exactly the image the Chaos Warrior kit summons for me.

I didn't understand how the big deal about Chaos Warriors until I saw that opening movie. I had just assumed that they were nothing more than humans in very good armour. I didn't realise they were huge and basically unstoppable for mere mortals.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 08:39:05


Post by: Cronch


They actually look like a disciplined unit

As we all know, worshippers of mad gods of disorder are well known for their discipline and love of regulations


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 09:50:29


Post by: Galas


Cronch wrote:
They actually look like a disciplined unit

As we all know, worshippers of mad gods of disorder are well known for their discipline and love of regulations


Thats what I LOVED about Chaos Warriors. They aren't crazy barbarians. They are the Darth Vader of Chaos.

I love the new dynamic CW. But the old ones will always have a place in my earth, as others have pointed out, their pose, as limited as it was, worked perfetly for what they where trying to convey. The Mark of Chaos cinematic is just the cherry on top.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 10:25:09


Post by: Lord Kragan


 nels1031 wrote:
zamerion wrote:
from sandlemad on tga information from twitch:

Spoiler:
Soooo the twitch preview of the Slaves to Darkness battletome just mentioned that each of the four StD subfactions has an associated short story written by none other than Aaron Dempski-Bowden, presumably on the model of the Josh Reynolds stories in the Cities of Sigmar battletome.


Thats awesome. Hope we get more of ADB in the Mortal Realms.


Oh god no, please no. Keep him away.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 10:52:55


Post by: Cronch


They aren't crazy barbarians

Some were. Some were imperial turncoats. Some were random people who sort of...oopsied into being chaos worshippers and then found out they have a hidden talent for slaughter.

However, most stories in Old World that I can recall (it's been a while), did have Chaos Warriors depicted as insanely individualistic, and simply further along the worship of chaos than the marauders from Norsca and the Wastes. They fought in groups, of course, but their individual prowess was almost always juxtaposed with their civilized opponents discipline and teamwork.

So in a way you are right, they were the Darth Vaders of Chaos, and we all know how good of a team player Vader was


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 20:49:46


Post by: NinthMusketeer


If it were a matter of rank & file I would definitely go with the old ones. They ranked up so well, and looked so good when they did.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses.
Good to see some people get what I'm talking about.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Besides, the "slowly striding forwards" poses remind me of the initial glimpses of them in the Mark of Chaos trailer, and that alone makes them good.
That is exactly the image the Chaos Warrior kit summons for me.

I didn't understand how the big deal about Chaos Warriors until I saw that opening movie. I had just assumed that they were nothing more than humans in very good armour. I didn't realise they were huge and basically unstoppable for mere mortals.
Except the old 'multipose' kit isn't 40 slightly different poses. It's one pose, yet you prefer it over a kit with more posing (an entirely valid preference). It gets to the core of the matter: neither monopose or multipose are inherently good or bad. The wider context of what the poses are, what the kit looks like, what role the unit serves, the system the unit is in, and the fluff behind that unit all factor in.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 21:11:11


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Except the old 'multipose' kit isn't 40 slightly different poses. It's one pose, yet you prefer it over a kit with more posing (an entirely valid preference). It gets to the core of the matter: neither monopose or multipose are inherently good or bad. The wider context of what the poses are, what the kit looks like, what role the unit serves, the system the unit is in, and the fluff behind that unit all factor in.
Despite quoting it, you appear to have missed the point of what Coenus was saying:

"I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses."

The 10 dynamic poses repeated over and over again will stand out very quickly (add to that the pattern recognition comment from earlier).

Think of it this way. When GW puts up a picture of new minis and photoshops the same mini in a few times, we notice it, because we notice the same mini repeated. With the multi-part Chaos Warrior kit it's not something that you ever think about. They're all roughly the same and most of them is covered up by their fur cloak and giant shield. With these guys, you're always going to notice Champion pointing his mace forward, or the guy holding the mace about his head, or the flail on the Knight champion over and over again.


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Post by: NinthMusketeer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Except the old 'multipose' kit isn't 40 slightly different poses. It's one pose, yet you prefer it over a kit with more posing (an entirely valid preference). It gets to the core of the matter: neither monopose or multipose are inherently good or bad. The wider context of what the poses are, what the kit looks like, what role the unit serves, the system the unit is in, and the fluff behind that unit all factor in.
Despite quoting it, you appear to have missed the point of what Coenus was saying:

"I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses."

The 10 dynamic poses repeated over and over again will stand out very quickly (add to that the pattern recognition comment from earlier).

Think of it this way. When GW puts up a picture of new minis and photoshops the same mini in a few times, we notice it, because we notice the same mini repeated. With the multi-part Chaos Warrior kit it's not something that you ever think about. They're all roughly the same and most of them is covered up by their fur cloak and giant shield. With these guys, you're always going to notice Champion pointing his mace forward, or the guy holding the mace about his head, or the flail on the Knight champion over and over again.
Despite quoting it, you appear to have missed the point of what I was saying. What you said even supports my argument.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/05 22:14:32


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Whatever... I'm not doing this dance with you.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 06:28:24


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Whatever... I'm not doing this dance with you.
It is interesting that I agree with you, then you find a way to disagree with me agreeing with you.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 11:37:50


Post by: timetowaste85


Besides...we’re all capable of swapping/cutting weapons out and swapping heads. If you have 40 that all look like 4 copies of the same 10 guys it’s your own fault.
Example: cut mace, glue on sword from classic kit (or even a new one). New model done.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 11:42:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 timetowaste85 wrote:
Besides...we’re all capable of swapping/cutting weapons out and swapping heads.
That shouldn't be a requirement to make things look different though.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 11:49:18


Post by: Lord Kragan


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Besides...we’re all capable of swapping/cutting weapons out and swapping heads.
That shouldn't be a requirement to make things look different though.


So you keep the minis on their sprues and play it like that?


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 11:50:06


Post by: timetowaste85


While it shouldn’t be, we also haven’t seen the sprue layout yet. There might be some shuffling around of weapon parts/hands and/or shields. We already know we have 20 head choices. So we’re already at >20models to have “identical” models. So the sky might be falling because a squirrel threw an acorn at somebody.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 13:04:03


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


NinthMusketeer wrote:If it were a matter of rank & file I would definitely go with the old ones. They ranked up so well, and looked so good when they did.

They sure did rank up incredibly well - I converted a unit to Grave Guard (representing the dead Chaos warriors lost in Sylvania when Crom invaded during the Storm of Chaos.. probably retconned since?), and somehow managed to squeeze them onto 20mm bases. Admittedly a very tight fit, but even that worked!

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Spoiler:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I am definitely one of those people that would have rather have 40 slightly different models, than 10 very different models times 4. The similarity will just stand out like a sore thumb, especially with particularly dynamic poses.
Good to see some people get what I'm talking about.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Besides, the "slowly striding forwards" poses remind me of the initial glimpses of them in the Mark of Chaos trailer, and that alone makes them good.
That is exactly the image the Chaos Warrior kit summons for me.

I didn't understand how the big deal about Chaos Warriors until I saw that opening movie. I had just assumed that they were nothing more than humans in very good armour. I didn't realise they were huge and basically unstoppable for mere mortals.
Except the old 'multipose' kit isn't 40 slightly different poses. It's one pose, yet you prefer it over a kit with more posing (an entirely valid preference). It gets to the core of the matter: neither monopose or multipose are inherently good or bad. The wider context of what the poses are, what the kit looks like, what role the unit serves, the system the unit is in, and the fluff behind that unit all factor in.

Well, I did say they looked different, not that they had different poses. (Technically correct, the best kind of correct. )
And that's kind of the key here. A block of the old style will look cohesive, disciplined, pretty darn imposing and while (also in my view a tad too) similar, they're clearly not the same. Different hats, shields, weapons. It's not like they're clones...
Spoiler:

Now, I mostly like the uniform style and lack of dynamic poses becasue of exhibit A) the Mark of Chaos trailer, and B) what these exact figures represent. Wouldn't want my Marauders to be like this. I think it's also a great look for e.g. Temple Guard, but again, wouldn't want it on skirmishing Skinks.

timetowaste85 wrote:Besides...we’re all capable of swapping/cutting weapons out and swapping heads. If you have 40 that all look like 4 copies of the same 10 guys it’s your own fault.
Example: cut mace, glue on sword from classic kit (or even a new one). New model done.

Sure, and I'd do that. I started this hobby with the Middle-earth figures, which are almost exclusively monopose sculpts. It's a heck of a lot easier if models are designed for this however, with bits that are made to be interchangeable and poses that work with various weapons. As above, you can have 40 of the old style Warriors all be a bit different (wouldn't mind if they were a bit more variable, but they still look great in my opinion). Now, take the guy just left of the centre in the picture below. You can swap the head, weapon and shield all you want, but he's still going to be very recognizable.
Spoiler:

Yes, it remains to be seen how many options there might be. But figures like that (or mandatory ammo crate a là Van Saar, burning heretic as per Sororitas flamer) I'm just not a fan of. Especially when the dynamic poses cost optionality, because recent kits like this typically don't have weapons or shields that can easily be swapped between models (or indeed between kits).
And it's not like you can't have dynamic poses that still work well with numerous options, like these Victrix Dark Age figures, if bothering to design them that way:
Spoiler:



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 14:21:18


Post by: Cronch


you can have 40 of the old style Warriors all be a bit different

No, they won't. They all have the same pose, and if swapping heads doesn't make the new models unique poses, neither does swapping sword for axe on the old clonewarriors.

You are allowed to make the claim that the 10-pose kit would look to repetitive without saying that the kit that even back in the day was widely snubbed for it's lack of variability is somehow more multipose.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 14:53:10


Post by: Alpharius


That's rather unnecessary, and off topic.

I'd love some AoS news and/or rumors though.

That would be cool.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/06 14:56:02


Post by: Overread


 Alpharius wrote:
That's rather unnecessary, and off topic.

I'd love some AoS news and/or rumors though.

That would be cool.


Eh I'm not expecting any big news now until New Years. I figure we'll have battletome chatter go nuts tomorrow with what's in the battletome and if there's anything new that GW hasn't told us about once the NDA ends for the youtube reviewers. After that eh I don't think we'll get much. Also that BIG spreadsheet leak we had earlier I think is going to have GW go nuts at stopping leaks again for a while so I'd not expect anything new until next year. So a dry spell.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 02:12:30


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Quite surprised by the Slaves to Darkness sprues. They're not jumbled. The Knights are separate to the Warriors are separate to Lord Crocodile.

Maybe they will come out separately...

Lord Kragan wrote:
So you keep the minis on their sprues and play it like that?
You are missing the point so hard it's like you're doing it on purpose.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 06:11:06


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Quick rundown on the updated scrolls:

Warriors & Knights
-Basic stats unchanged
-Runeshields do the same thing
-Champion now has +1 attack (instead of +1 to hit)
-Standard & Music are 1 per 5
-Undivided is its own keyword now (and you must take that or a god keyword)

Warriors
-The unit re-rolls all saves (improved from 1s) at 10+ (improved from 20+)
-Dual-weapons re-roll all hits (improved from 1s)
-Still have halberd & great weapon options

Knights
-The champion can take a special weapon option (but its strictly worse than the basic ones so you won't want to)
-Lances get rend -2 on the charge (improved from rend -1 on the charge), but you won't take them because...
-Ensorcelled weapons now wound on a 3+ (improved from 4+) and have rend -1 (improved from -)

Both units got considerably better, and in the right ways. Warriors are (much) tankier and the dual wield option is now worth taking, knights deal more damage more consistently. And that little annoying chore of the champion being a different hit profile is gone too (this pleases me more than it probably should).


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 07:30:42


Post by: Binabik15


The SC is already temporarily out of stock online on the NZ site. I hope the UK discounters will have enough. Might order a second one locally just in case, though.

I wish knights got improved damage on their lances, but more rend, okay, guess that'll have to do. Do knights get any bonus/boni for bigger units? I don't like reading scrolls on my phone.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 07:53:55


Post by: Carnikang


 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Knights
-The champion can take a special weapon option (but its strictly worse than the basic ones so you won't want to)
-Lances get rend -2 on the charge (improved from rend -1 on the charge), but you won't take them because...
-Ensorcelled weapons now wound on a 3+ (improved from 4+) and have rend -1 (improved from -)


I dunno about not taking Lance's. On the charge they get +1 damage too in the first line of Impaling Charge. Couple that with the new Lord on Krakalackadile's Command Ability, they're hitting on 3+ rerolling 1s.... Seems decent to me.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 11:02:40


Post by: Overread


I think GW learned from Island of Blood - if you mix armies on the same sprue or even warriors on the same sprue you might make it cheaper to produce that kit - but in contrast you also increase the costs in the long term if you ever want to bring those kits back to the market again. Putting them on their own sprue keeps the doors open to releasing one or more of those models on their own.

The Warriors and Knights I'd expect to remain exclusive to the kit. The leader will likely remain exclusive to the kit until such time as that start collecting set is retired; then the leader can always be moved out on its own and sold separate whilst the warriors and knights are replaced (of course by that stage I'd expect to see GW selling multi-part options for both the warriors and knights as their own kits anyway).



Spears on Knights sounds like you use them basically as a shock attack retinue for the lord; charging in to do maximum damage, perhaps using them as a hero/lord/monster hunting unit that maximises a high rend with a powerful charge. Meanwhile the knights with swords are more independent and suited toward attacking larger blocks of infantry and warriors - able to put out more attacks with some rending.

It makes swords generalist and spears situational.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 11:13:46


Post by: DaveC


GMG Battletome review is up




Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 16:04:56


Post by: Tiberius501


Man Archaon’s point increase is BRUTAL. I wanted to make an army of Chaos Warriors/Knights/Varanguard with him but I’m not sure how you could if you want more than 3 models.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 17:33:47


Post by: Saturmorn Carvilli


 Tiberius501 wrote:
Man Archaon’s point increase is BRUTAL. I wanted to make an army of Chaos Warriors/Knights/Varanguard with him but I’m not sure how you could if you want more than 3 models.


Especially with price hikes of warriors (+10pts per 5) and knights (+20pts per 5) if the points page I saw was correct. Oh, I and I think Varaguard with up 40pts per block.

Silver lining, I don't have to buy anymore models now as it looks like I am going from 1800 or so to almost 2000 now with that 50pt increase to my Daemon Prince. Sooo... thanks GW. It remains to be seen if the units warrant their points cost or the buffs given are again removed by the point cost. My benchmark is going to continue to be Bonereapers, and I kinda think my warriors are still going to get ripped to shreds by the Mortek Guard.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 17:42:12


Post by: Tiberius501


 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Man Archaon’s point increase is BRUTAL. I wanted to make an army of Chaos Warriors/Knights/Varanguard with him but I’m not sure how you could if you want more than 3 models.


Especially with price hikes of warriors (+10pts per 5) and knights (+20pts per 5) if the points page I saw was correct. Oh, I and I think Varaguard with up 40pts per block.

Silver lining, I don't have to buy anymore models now as it looks like I am going from 1800 or so to almost 2000 now with that 50pt increase to my Daemon Prince. Sooo... thanks GW. It remains to be seen if the units warrant their points cost or the buffs given are again removed by the point cost. My benchmark is going to continue to be Bonereapers, and I kinda think my warriors are still going to get ripped to shreds by the Mortek Guard.


Yeah I’m struggling to make a list with the point costs he read out. I think I can do one sort of cool though. And I’m really not sure Archaon needed to be changed that much, it seems a little insane, since he was pretty crap before at his 660pts cost. Now he’s seen a few improvements, I’m surprised he went up.

Also it’s hard to compare much with Ossiarchs, they’re quite broken.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 17:45:12


Post by: Voss


At least the Eye of the Gods table isn't so bad. Could have been much worse. And Spawndom/Daemon transformations allow you just to take or heal wounds instead of replacing the model.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 17:55:34


Post by: Tiberius501


So working out some stuffs you can make this list:

Spoiler:


HEROES
- Archaon
- Lord on foot
BATTLELINE
- 10x Warriors
- 10x Warriors
- 10x Knights
OTHER
- 3x Varanguard


I’m not sure if it’d perform particularly well tbh haha, but it would look pretty cool.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 17:59:55


Post by: Saturmorn Carvilli


 Tiberius501 wrote:


Also it’s hard to compare much with Ossiarchs, they’re quite broken.


Just comparing to the faction I am most likely to play.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
So working out some stuffs you can make this list:

Spoiler:


HEROES
- Archaon
- Lord on foot
BATTLELINE
- 10x Warriors
- 10x Warriors
- 10x Knights
OTHER
- 3x Varanguard


I’m not sure if it’d perform particularly well tbh haha, but it would look pretty cool.


Yeah tough call, I still want groups of 20 for my warriors even if the Save buff only needs 10 now. Maybe 15 could work that maybe gives the warriors 2 rounds of attacks before losing their buff. Maybe. I think if you want knights you will want a group of 10. Although, you could just get another unit of Varaguard at that price too I guess it depends on what you want. Army building is going to be super tricky. I also suspect that including an Everchose core to an army is going to leave you both struggling to capture objectives and removing enemies from the table with the exception of Archaon early game.

I will probably be trying something close to your list though in the future though. It includes all the Everchosen models I have, and I do want to field them at some point.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:14:02


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
 Tiberius501 wrote:
Man Archaon’s point increase is BRUTAL. I wanted to make an army of Chaos Warriors/Knights/Varanguard with him but I’m not sure how you could if you want more than 3 models.


Especially with price hikes of warriors (+10pts per 5) and knights (+20pts per 5) if the points page I saw was correct. Oh, I and I think Varaguard with up 40pts per block.

Silver lining, I don't have to buy anymore models now as it looks like I am going from 1800 or so to almost 2000 now with that 50pt increase to my Daemon Prince. Sooo... thanks GW. It remains to be seen if the units warrant their points cost or the buffs given are again removed by the point cost. My benchmark is going to continue to be Bonereapers, and I kinda think my warriors are still going to get ripped to shreds by the Mortek Guard.
I was concerned the warriors & knights wouldn't go up, considering the massive performance buff they got with the new warscrolls.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:14:44


Post by: Voss


Spire Tyrants are interesting (the other warband doesn't seem to be in, sadly)

Tyrants- 9 models, same general cultist statline except 5+ save
1 in 9 models must be
Pit Champion brings extra attacks (+2?)
Headclaimer, +1 to damage characteristic (so 2D)
and
Bestigor Destroyer, also +2(?) attacks

so 13 attacks total per 9 models, one of which is damage 2

Unit ability- pit fighters, +1 to hit if unit charged.

They're... ok. Sadly I think a lot of the warcry cultists are overshadowed by the basic maruaders, since they have an inherent dice manipulation ability- whenever they charge, the lowest die (or one die on a tie) turns into a 6. Automatically, no restrictions. Every time. They can't charge less than 7", and that only happens on double 1. And drummers as well, so minimum 8" charge.
Plus they have two attacks base, +1 to hit if 10+ models, and rend if 20+, and better saves with shields (which you should take).



Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:29:01


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Binabik15 wrote:
The SC is already temporarily out of stock online on the NZ site. I hope the UK discounters will have enough. Might order a second one locally just in case, though.

I wish knights got improved damage on their lances, but more rend, okay, guess that'll have to do. Do knights get any bonus/boni for bigger units? I don't like reading scrolls on my phone.
As Carnikang mentioned, they do get +1 damage as well. I didn't mention it because that part is the same as the old warscroll.

 Carnikang wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Knights
-The champion can take a special weapon option (but its strictly worse than the basic ones so you won't want to)
-Lances get rend -2 on the charge (improved from rend -1 on the charge), but you won't take them because...
-Ensorcelled weapons now wound on a 3+ (improved from 4+) and have rend -1 (improved from -)


I dunno about not taking Lance's. On the charge they get +1 damage too in the first line of Impaling Charge. Couple that with the new Lord on Krakalackadile's Command Ability, they're hitting on 3+ rerolling 1s.... Seems decent to me.
Fortunately this is a case where we can run the numbers:

5 Knights w/Lances against 4+ save:
-On charge average damage - 7.36
-Non-charge average - 3.08
-On charge with +1 to hit - 9.8
-Non-charge with +1 to hit - 4.1

5 Knights w/Ensorcelled against a 4+ save:
-Normal average - 7.1
-With +1 to hit - 9.1

The lances' problem is they have a worse hit profile AND less attacks, which really hurts them. Just one or the other and the options would be balanced. TBF they do have a 2" range, but even on the charge they barely do more damage than the ensorcelled weapons do all the time.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:32:14


Post by: Ghaz


Lady Atia has a couple of reviews up, including the warscrolls for the Formoid Crusher and Mindstelaer Sphiranx:

Spoiler:


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:34:46


Post by: EnTyme


I think the Warcy models will be best used as units to summon in a Ravagers list.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 18:37:06


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Those are juicy.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 19:11:18


Post by: Voss


Sadly the new chaos warriors seem one of the losers in the new book. The change to two weapon warriors (reroll all misses) make them much more desirable than shields, and several of those shields are very much moulded onto the body

Plus honestly? I'm not sure if warriors are a good way to go in general. For the point cost, trying to combine hammer and anvil in a slow unit may not be a thing this book does well.

There are a lot of cheaper, faster options that bring attacks and cheaper tank units (Iron Golems spring to mind). They don't combine everything in one package, but for points and utility, I think some serious analysis needs to be done.


----
FYI, the new versions of warscrolls seem to be up on the store in the downloads section for each thing. (Barring the stuff that isn't in the store yet)


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 19:11:36


Post by: Galas


A shame you can't give marks to those monsters.

And also a Shame that all the options I have built, Varanguard with lances, Knights with Lances and Chaos Warriors with sword and shield are now the clearly worse options


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 19:31:14


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Sword and board is still really good. The main counter to units with 4+ rerollable saves is MWs, shields cancel a third of them. Dual weapons at re-roll 1s weren't worth taking, doubly so since it is so easy for StD's to be getting that from something else already.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/07 21:44:38


Post by: Marshal Loss


Interested in seeing all the rules for the Despoilers. I have a lot of of WHFB Monsters & DPs lying around, could be a fun & easy project for me if the crunch is enjoyable to play with.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/08 06:52:25


Post by: lord_blackfang


Hypno Llama is amazing, 12" bubble of -2 Bravery


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/08 07:57:41


Post by: Tiberius501


It still hurts me greatly with how many points Archaon is now. I’m not sure he’s worth that much at all, even with the rule rewords and things.


Age of Sigmar News & Rumors. p323 new FAQS  @ 2019/12/08 09:49:32


Post by: Jackal90


 Tiberius501 wrote:
It still hurts me greatly with how many points Archaon is now. I’m not sure he’s worth that much at all, even with the rule rewords and things.



I’d wait and see.
He’s always been a huge force multiplier on top of being a beat stick.
I’d say there will be a lot of synergy with rules in the new book that also works with him, so they may have factored that in to it already.