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Sotahullu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models

Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.

Overall those are some fantastic models, but I don't get why AOS needs to creat a new vaguely dragon-esque monster thing for every hero mount. They even seem to be mocking the genericness of it in the teaser by even calling it "whatever that thing is".

Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

But yes, they are nice looking models...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And here we see the design advantage of AoS over WHFB. Simply, you can sculpt models to look Fighty, rather than Ranky.

That these are absolute amazing is just a significant bonus!

Ally Morrison spoke about this exact thing on the Storm cast pod cast a few weeks /months back, about how restrictive sculpting for Warhammer fantasy was due to rank and file , I believe chaos knights were mentioned or at least hinted at as difficult due to the size on the models Vs the base size

So the Start Collecting Slaves to Darkness is $95 £60 €80 from the leaked release list. I guess I need to put £48 aside then (no more armies starts next year right? plus it's adding to not starting)

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models

Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.

Making the assumption that the new Warriors are on 32mm bases, I'd agree with that...

Those actually look fantastic.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
The most amazing thing is it looks like the Start Collecting box coming in December for Slaves to Darkness will be the new models

Welp! I think I know now what I am getting.


Although I am surprised that they are replacing chaos knights. Bit static but not that bad looking.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's because they plan on making them a bit beefier, ruleswise, and want to give them a bigger model to accompany it.

Making the assumption that the new Warriors are on 32mm bases, I'd agree with that...

Do note those are Varanguard horsies, not knights. Only knigh is behind the lord on crock.

What’s doing it for me is the curve on the shields of the Warriors.

It’s far more pronounced, making them look better designed for parrying blows, than simply absorbing them.

It’s a very small touch, but having done LARP fighting with sword and board, and knowing how much better it is to turn a blow than outright block it, I very much appreciate it.

What’s that? LARP fighting isn’t real?

Yeah. I know.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s doing it for me is the curve on the shields of the Warriors.

It’s far more pronounced, making them look better designed for parrying blows, than simply absorbing them.

It’s a very small touch, but having done LARP fighting with sword and board, and knowing how much better it is to turn a blow than outright block it, I very much appreciate it.

What’s that? LARP fighting isn’t real?

Yeah. I know.

You know what else is neat - if you look at the shield arm of the new Bonereapers for the small Mortek Guard they've got not just back detail to the shield; not just arm detail; but an actual grip and supporting strap. For detail that is going to be hidden much of the time that's really great. A huge difference to, say, the skaven ones where its just a round shield with hardly any back detail

Yup. Very nice touches all round.

Oh my god they are so cool! Archaon Cometh!

 Overread wrote:
Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.

It's less that they ride a mythical beast, heroes in Warhammer have pretty much always done that. It's just that literally every one is a different beast, and the only one of that type in the range.

I guess maybe they make mention of the beasts in the lore, I don't really follow AOS outside the model releases, so I don't know. But it's from that outsider perspective that it comes across as "new generic beast" when every mount for every faction is different in some nominal way, but largely is just a hulking slightly reptilian thing with nothing particularly cool or special about any of them.

So with the new starting set we can certainly see the old warriors (and their great weapons and halbard expansions) as well as the knights vanish from the GW store. Do we think the lord on manticore might follow? I'd have not thought so but GW did remove a lot of new modern plastics with High Elves; and the lord on manticore is another lord on beast.

Personally I'd have thought it would remain and the finecast lord on demonic mount would go instead.

Oh my, oh my, I need to finish my other Nurgle knights before those hit. My Order of the Fly army is HAPPY (and now might have better rules, too). If I get 2 SCs I'd have 20 knights and 3 Varanguard, but 20 Chaos warriors are a must, sooo.

The Untamed beast show up in the trailer for slaves to darkness

I literally had zero interest in age of sigmar but now I really want a slaves to darkness army... Amazing models

GaroRobe wrote:
The Untamed beast show up in the trailer for slaves to darkness

There's also an Iron Golem front left in that artwork.

I'm real pleased that they're putting all of these new models into the start collecting. That's pretty great, not gunna lie. It'll make it that much easier to start a big army of these guys right off the bat.

Are those the first actual horses sculpted for AoS?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

....that was the joke

 Starfarer wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Well in a mythical setting full of monsters and godbeasts surely the lord would ride something more powerful than a regular horse. That's for the marauders and knights. A Lord of Chaos gets something far better - a Manticore or this new chunky monster.

It's less that they ride a mythical beast, heroes in Warhammer have pretty much always done that. It's just that literally every one is a different beast, and the only one of that type in the range.

I guess maybe they make mention of the beasts in the lore, I don't really follow AOS outside the model releases, so I don't know. But it's from that outsider perspective that it comes across as "new generic beast" when every mount for every faction is different in some nominal way, but largely is just a hulking slightly reptilian thing with nothing particularly cool or special about any of them.

You're not wrong, when they announced the Bonethingy dude on mount they described him as a "dark mirror for the Lord Celestant"- amusingly the exact same words they used here

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

....that was the joke

Sure...

Anyway, hopefully we get real rules for the Big 4 in there too, as well as being able to mix in daemons?

Well...bugger...this morning I was feeling really pleased that I had cut myself down to just three AoS armies...

...then GW drop these beauties.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

....that was the joke

Sure...

Talk about a lost cause

Oh feth yes.

The chaos warriors looks fantastic! Makes me wanna start an AoS army just to collect them!

But is every new faction tanky elites?

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
DAMN. Was not expecting all this. OK, count me in GW. It is time for me to get a STD

Eh, phrasing?

....that was the joke

Sure...

Talk about a lost cause

Agreed.

Also agree with the sentiment of ‘damn, now I want to start another AoS army!’

Soulless wrote:
The chaos warriors looks fantastic! Makes me wanna start an AoS army just to collect them!

But is every new faction tanky elites?

Nope.
Even Chaos isn't purely tanky elites. Warriors, knights and varangaurd are; but they've got the warcry warbands and marauders and monsters like the furies which are all swarmy type units. So Chaos can be a full elite army; or can go regular size with elite support or even dump most of the elite and go for an en-mass swarm of models.

Skaven are the traditional swarmy army, though again with their large range of models they can diversify as well. Seraphon are the same. Even some of the smaller range armies can do it really well. Flesh Eater Courts can either be a massive swarm of ghouls and summoning more ghouls or you can load up and take 6 or so zombiedragons/terrorgiests into battle instead (which is good because with that army you'd likely expand it by mostly buying getting-started sets. So o nthe way to building a swarm of ghouls you'd be building an elite force of dragons).


You've got some armies like Stormcast which are mostly elite and armies like Ossiarchs where they are fully elite.


I've not even touched on the Gloomspite Gitz and demonic armies and such.

Those look very cool.

But... they're all going to inter mingled on a single big sprue (or two sprues). These are like the Vanguard and Shadowspear Chaos minis, right?

This is the future of Start Collecting! boxes. Unique minis that exist only in that box, and aren't even multi-part in GW's current limited multi-part manner?