GoatboyBeta wrote: If this sea elves rumor does pan out, then they don't sound like the same faction(or factions) that the two Silver tower elves belong to. Looks like AoS is not going to be short of choice for fans of the pointy ears.
If they develop all the sub factions and add new content, that'd be amazing. Who knows, maybe they'll do just that.
I'm here still waiting for Polynesian based Firebellies ogres... someday... I'm sure...
Lord Kragan wrote: Temoulon, the guy that told us about custodes and TS in november and forewarned us about DoK, has this to say:
This is an actual piece of scenery GW is going to sell, and that will have its own rules like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood. It's part of the entire Sea Aelves new range, which are absolutely stunning visually, will have tons of sea creatures to ride, one of which is MASSIVE, and unique high cost heroes with crazy design. Also forget about the Cthullu look, their design is closer to bad-ass Atlantean Spartans.
Spoiler:
Good Gods, this can't be true. Same year, Greek themed Snek Girlz and Atlantean Elves?! GODS!
Something something "historical stuff is boring and not protectable IP so it has to go" *eyebrow*.
Anyway, I'd take Ghost Pirates over more pointy-ears, but as long as that shipwreck is an actual kit at a reasonable price there's something for me to like in whatever this release turns out to be.
GoatboyBeta wrote:
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
GoatboyBeta wrote: Oh boy I'm glad no one has pics of the puzzled look that must have been all over my face when the Goldfish swam on
Thargrim wrote: But why would a wrecked ship like that be planted on non underwater tables, not to mention sea monsters functioning out of water? Seems fishy to me...
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
I forgot to reply to this one earlier, but I would expect any "sea monsters" to be more Kharibdyss or Merwyrm styled creatures, something that can survive deep ocean but also survives on land.
I mean, Kharibdyss are basically giant pissed off lobsterhydras. It's not a huge deal there.
GoatboyBeta wrote:
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
Kinda like screamers then?
Cant believe I forgot about them. For the record I'm hoping for crawling and slithering, not magic fish on flying stands.
GoatboyBeta wrote:
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
Kinda like screamers then?
Cant believe I forgot about them. For the record I'm hoping for crawling and slithering, not magic fish on flying stands.
Lord Kragan wrote: Temoulon, the guy that told us about custodes and TS in november and forewarned us about DoK, has this to say:
This is an actual piece of scenery GW is going to sell, and that will have its own rules like the Sylvaneth Wyldwood. It's part of the entire Sea Aelves new range, which are absolutely stunning visually, will have tons of sea creatures to ride, one of which is MASSIVE, and unique high cost heroes with crazy design. Also forget about the Cthullu look, their design is closer to bad-ass Atlantean Spartans.
Oh yeah, I'd buy a couple of those wracked ships. Make a Gutrot Spume 's Reivers warshrine carried by maritime mutants out of one, a gunship on wheels out of another for a more thematic Plagueclaw Catapult and maybe an Empire Landship with crew for Skirmish...or a Skaven Landship like the one in old, old, oooold WD. It'd save me the hassle to look at scale models for the Nurgle stuff I want to do since the Maggotkin release.
Pirate Undead, Spartan elves, Cthullu elves...all three would be very welcome, too.
Does anyone else think this has something to do with malign portents the ship? I may have missed what that video showed but the ships do look similar. I'm thinking squat navy (since that's most likely a squat on the front) or it's more elves. I hope it's teasing more death but that's my hope. It could be true, if we take the connection of the ship with the cold fish and the MP video as true, the ship in the video seems to appear, and both videos have a deathly gloom feel to them. The ship in MP is much bigger and doesn't have the front, or the curl but I'd hope a navel based (hopefully) death army has more then one ship. Maybe the ships will be remnants from other armies that sunk and are now being used in death. My arguments have a lot of holes in them, I know, I just want to know why GW is making aquarium decor now.
The coming of the Daughter Of Khaine and then those Sea-Atlante Aelves gives again credit to the Heachi (ATT)-Temouloun (Discuss) rumor we got around new year's eve !
So we can expect those releases between March and early June. That's pretty cool - we'll surely learn more on the AOS open day 3rd of March !!
Someone asked if they would look like DE corsairs, or like the HE.
Neither really. Something completely new. The foot infantry are the best models I've ever seen coming from GW, with a very audacious design. Something between the Sylvaneth Spite-Revenants and the greek looking Slaanesh Hellstriders.
About tyrion and teclis involvement:
I can't say haha. No Malerion/Teclis/Tyrion, but Mathlann a lot.
Someone asked if they would look like DE corsairs, or like the HE.
Neither really. Something completely new. The foot infantry are the best models I've ever seen coming from GW, with a very audacious design. Something between the Sylvaneth Spite-Revenants and the greek looking Slaanesh Hellstriders.
About tyrion and teclis involvement:
I can't say haha. No Malerion/Teclis/Tyrion, but Mathlann a lot.
and Sharks:
Big ones and very big ones.
Hmm so they are now going to litterally jump the shark after figuratively doing for quite some time.
I think there's a competition among designers to find somthing that the fans will not buy. I think the current leader is Mr Lego head storm cast, but the guy who designed winnie the pooh style dwarf ballon riders and Mr Monopoly ballon rider had it in the bag and has now told his colleagues hold my beer i'm braking out the fishmen.
It appears so far that the people designing the new witch cult stuff are not taking part in the contest thankfully.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Oh boy I'm glad no one has pics of the puzzled look that must have been all over my face when the Goldfish swam on
Thargrim wrote: But why would a wrecked ship like that be planted on non underwater tables, not to mention sea monsters functioning out of water? Seems fishy to me...
The wreck could work for a coastal or river themed board, and sea monsters crawling or wriggling onto dry land to attack land lubbers is not a new idea. The alternative would be to have them magically flying through the air as if it was water. Which could be either the stupidest or most amazing thing GW have done with AoS so far
In AOS lore there are fish aka sharks that can both fly and swim. You see sailors hauling such a creature or talking of it in city of secrets.
In-game, you’ll need both models to use Morathi (but don’t worry, they come in the same kit!). While you’ll start each game with Morathi in her form as an aelven queen, you can choose to transform her in any of your turns, while damaging her can cause her to lose control unexpectedly – much to your enemy’s misfortune. We’ll be taking a look at Morathi’s rules in detail later in the week with a full preview, but rest assured that if you’re collecting the Daughters of Khaine, this is the ideal commander for your collection.
So she transforms midgame. I like that if hes damaged he can transform. Thats avoid Lil-Morathi being snipped turn 1 by your opponent.
You can even field the Khainite statue that usually stands atop the Shrine as a separate unit, representing an iron Avatar of Khaine.
I was just thinking about this possibility the past week. So if you build the altar, you can have the Khaine Statue has is own unit, and if you build the cauldron of blood, you can have the medusae (Or just build the Cauldron without the statue and from one kit you have the Cauldron of Blood, the Medusae, the Iron Avatar of Khaine, and the Witch Elf hero)
Huh. Those are actually nice models. I'm mildly surprised by that- I've gotten used to GW models so covered in useless detail that they're just blobs with junk bolted on.
(The scenic base for the normal figure is easily removed- her left foot is barely in place as is. Trim down the end of the robe and the blood drops and you don't even need a built up base).
Too bad the video didn't show off the normal form in 360.
You can even field the Khainite statue that usually stands atop the Shrine as a separate unit, representing an iron Avatar of Khaine.
I was just thinking about this possibility the past week. So if you build the altar, you can have the Khaine Statue has is own unit, and if you build the cauldron of blood, you can have the medusae (Or just build the Cauldron without the statue and from one kit you have the Cauldron of Blood, the Medusae, the Iron Avatar of Khaine, and the Witch Elf hero)
Got a Blood coven box a couple of weeks ago and a second is really tempting now. It will be interesting to see what build options give the most bang for the book with the Shrine kit.
Even the dice look freakin' amazing! Total surrender to GW with this release, wow, just WOW!
I use to complain about the Age of Sigmar art but dang, you are so correct, that cover is really good. I just went, is this my new army? Then I look at all the other plastic armies that haven't been started or finished. Frack that, yup, my new army.
dan2026 wrote: I still don't get how these girls are in an Order Battletome.
Especially as Morathi is literally a Daemon Prince.
As was pointed out. Morathi hates Chaos, doesn't want to die, and doesn't want constant destruction. The team mentioned that she's more order.. Not good
She essentially wants a murderbased form of order and is willing to help Sigmar defeat a major threat.
dan2026 wrote: I still don't get how these girls are in an Order Battletome.
Especially as Morathi is literally a Daemon Prince.
As was pointed out. Morathi hates Chaos, doesn't want to die, and doesn't want constant destruction. The team mentioned that she's more order.. Not good
She essentially wants a murderbased form of order and is willing to help Sigmar defeat a major threat.
They just adressed this very question concerning the Daughters of Kharine 30 mns ago (from Warhammer TV facebook):
Warhammer TV The Daughters of Khaine are firmly opposed to Chaos Daniel. Being part of Grand Alliance Order does not make them 'good' in any way shape or form. It simply means that they are not undead, do not worship the Chaos Gods and are not part of the more savage races of the Mortal Realms.
dan2026 wrote: I still don't get how these girls are in an Order Battletome.
Especially as Morathi is literally a Daemon Prince.
Because you seem to be trapped on an “order = good/nice guys” train of thought. She’s Order because she’s alive, hates Chaos, and wants, well, order. Just because it’s her order, where she’s at the top, her chosen are beneath her, and everyone else is blood for the cauldron doesn’t mean it’s not an order, nor that she doesn’t respect/expect to have rules, or that she wants to endlessly tear down everything around her for the sake of it.
As for being a daemon prince, not many of them hate their new form enough to even try to return to their old one, even temporarily, much less actually have enough residual self image post transformation to even begin to hope to do it accurately. She clearly has managed this feat though, so there’s a good chance that there’s a bit more going on than the standard.
For those interested, the runes on her scales seem pretty close to old High Elf runes.
The fourth rune down is the High Elf rune for 'Vengeance'. Rune below that is 'Balance'.
Oh God....and Friday is my payday...rest well wallet, the month of March hardly knew you.
But how much we guesstimating? She's not as bulky as Alarielle and the Wardroth and doesn't look as tall as the Lord of Change and Archaon. Is around £65-70 too much to hope for?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Oh God....and Friday is my payday...rest well wallet, the month of March hardly knew you.
But how much we guesstimating? She's not as bulky as Alarielle and the Wardroth and doesn't look as tall as the Lord of Change and Archaon. Is around £65-70 too much to hope for?
Do not forget she is very likely to be sold with here "human" form... I believe 75 ?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Oh God....and Friday is my payday...rest well wallet, the month of March hardly knew you.
But how much we guesstimating? She's not as bulky as Alarielle and the Wardroth and doesn't look as tall as the Lord of Change and Archaon. Is around £65-70 too much to hope for?
Do not forget she is very likely to be sold with here "human" form... I believe 75 ?
Not "Likely". It's a certainty:
In-game, you’ll need both models to use Morathi (but don’t worry, they come in the same kit!).
Only bummer for me "rest assured that if you’re collecting the Daughters of Khaine, this is the ideal commander for your collection."
As much as I like the Morathi model it's a bit much for me, i'd rather run a smaller army with a more basic HQ that I can name myself. The problem with a model that nice is I don't want to game with it. I'd much rather run a small new medusa type hq with a staff that doesn't have a dozen breakable wing tips.
Using generic hags is what I was afraid of, those models are okay but I was really hoping for an HQ of one of the new serpent types (I like the mutated units more so far). I guess all I can do is hope those kits have bits for an HQ unit, like a pair of arms or head option for an exalted leader. I've seen no indications they plan on releasing new generic HQs like the Kharadrons received (I think they got four total, and not at a bad price).
Thargrim wrote: Using generic hags is what I was afraid of, those models are okay but I was really hoping for an HQ of one of the new serpent types (I like the mutated units more so far). I guess all I can do is hope those kits have bits for an HQ unit, like a pair of arms or head option for an exalted leader. I've seen no indications they plan on releasing new generic HQs like the Kharadrons received (I think they got four total, and not at a bad price).
I would be incredibly surprised if they don't have a hero option in the Medusae boxes or if the Bloodwrack Shrine's Medusa can be fielded as a Hero.
Kharadron got 4 heroes, with only one not essentially being a 'buffbot' and one being a named character.
SeanDrake wrote:Hmm so they are now going to litterally jump the shark after figuratively doing for quite some time.
I think there's a competition among designers to find somthing that the fans will not buy. I think the current leader is Mr Lego head storm cast, but the guy who designed winnie the pooh style dwarf ballon riders and Mr Monopoly ballon rider had it in the bag and has now told his colleagues hold my beer i'm braking out the fishmen.
It appears so far that the people designing the new witch cult stuff are not taking part in the contest thankfully.
Just because you don't like it does not make it bad. GW seems to be going for designs that less people like, but the people should do like them really do.
zamerion wrote:
Spoiler:
I get the sense that my medusa conversion (just a head swap and a pair of daemonette claws) will be too small for a KoS when the new one comes. This should do nicely.
SeanDrake wrote:Hmm so they are now going to litterally jump the shark after figuratively doing for quite some time.
I think there's a competition among designers to find somthing that the fans will not buy. I think the current leader is Mr Lego head storm cast, but the guy who designed winnie the pooh style dwarf ballon riders and Mr Monopoly ballon rider had it in the bag and has now told his colleagues hold my beer i'm braking out the fishmen.
It appears so far that the people designing the new witch cult stuff are not taking part in the contest thankfully.
Just because you don't like it does not make it bad. GW seems to be going for designs that less people like, but the people should do like them really do.
zamerion wrote:
Spoiler:
I get the sense that my medusa conversion (just a head swap and a pair of daemonette claws) will be too small for a KoS when the new one comes. This should do nicely.
I like the design of the fyreslayers, but the execution was terrible. Hell of an ugly, stiff-posed, army
I get the feeling that this Khaine release is gonna be a huge shot in the arm for AoS, theres so much interest around these new models, including my own! I will probably at least buy the battletome.
This is probably one of my favourite big minis from gw, which have come out in the past few years. Alongside with Glottkin and... and... the elf on the beatle (can`t remember her name :/ )
I really like the pose and proportions. I`d just nitpick the runes - they seem to be out of place, but that`s easily fixed with a small amount of green stuff.
One of the problems GW seems to have is the need to put ornaments on everything, as if they are afraid of clear surfaces.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: This is probably one of my favourite big minis from gw, which have come out in the past few years. Alongside with Glottkin and... and... the elf on the beatle (can`t remember her name :/ )
I really like the pose and proportions. I`d just nitpick the runes - they seem to be out of place, but that`s easily fixed with a small amount of green stuff.
One of the problems GW seems to have is the need to put ornaments on everything, as if they are afraid of clear surfaces.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: This is probably one of my favourite big minis from gw, which have come out in the past few years. Alongside with Glottkin and... and... the elf on the beatle (can`t remember her name :/ )
I really like the pose and proportions. I`d just nitpick the runes - they seem to be out of place, but that`s easily fixed with a small amount of green stuff.
One of the problems GW seems to have is the need to put ornaments on everything, as if they are afraid of clear surfaces.
You're thinking of Alarielle.
That`s the one!
Mr_Rose wrote: What was the Beatle called, though? John, Paul, George, or Ringo?
You know... maybe it's just me, but I really struggle to like her human version. It looks unnaturally stiff and two dimensional like old metals. Wish legs were in a bit more dynamic pose and the other arm did more than just hung lifelessly. Pity they didn't take inspiration from Lelith hesperax, she is still the best 'elf' model GW did, even after all these years...
I don’t know if I agree. I think the elven version has that whole “royal attitude marking an offender for death” and then when provoked she flies into her furious avatar of murder appearance. It’s like this is cold, calm and controlled Morathi...while the other version is the insane version. It’s like we have “you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry” version and “oh feth, you did NOT just touch one of my henchwomen’s butts inappropriately!”
You know... maybe it's just me, but I really struggle to like her human version. It looks unnaturally stiff and two dimensional like old metals. Wish legs were in a bit more dynamic pose and the other arm did more than just hung lifelessly. Pity they didn't take inspiration from Lelith hesperax, she is still the best 'elf' model GW did, even after all these years...
You know that Lilith Hesperax is a Wych, right?
And that Morathi wasn't? She was a Sorceress. She was a seer. She relied upon her magic and dark pacts to keep herself safe.
If you wanted to make an argument for the Hag in the Cauldron kit to be more dynamic or to have the possibility for more dynamic, I'd be down--but Morathi has never really been a super fighty character.
timetowaste85 wrote: I don’t know if I agree. I think the elven version has that whole “royal attitude marking an offender for death” and then when provoked she flies into her furious avatar of murder appearance. It’s like this is cold, calm and controlled Morathi...while the other version is the insane version. It’s like we have “you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry” version and “oh feth, you did NOT just touch one of my henchwomen’s butts inappropriately!”
What he said. The only thing I dislike about her mortal form is the blood dripping off the "wings". It just doesn't seem to fit the rest of the model. I may try to file that off.
EnTyme wrote: Just read the Community page. Interesting to see that Khaine is very much dead, but since Morathi stole his heart, prayers to him empower her.
timetowaste85 wrote: I don’t know if I agree. I think the elven version has that whole “royal attitude marking an offender for death” and then when provoked she flies into her furious avatar of murder appearance. It’s like this is cold, calm and controlled Morathi...while the other version is the insane version. It’s like we have “you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry” version and “oh feth, you did NOT just touch one of my henchwomen’s butts inappropriately!”
Look at her legs. She is extending heavy object forward while tiptoeing - there is no way she wouldn't just fall on her face unless her left leg was shifted slightly to the front (or back) to provide counterbalance. Ditto for her dead hand, if it was extended slight away and back from the body it would greatly add to illusion it provides counterweight for the spear. Do try to assume her pose, extend heavy metal object forward and do tell me how you fared without doing what I pointed out above. You will have problems even with your arm alone, never mind a spear.
As it is, she looks like dead zombie impaled on steel pole, there is nothing regal, lifelike, or realistic in her pose, even her head seems to hung to side instead of literally dozens of possible stares they could give her. Starting with simplest possible one, turning her nose slightly up to project disdain towards the enemy. It would nicely fit her pedestal, too. Alas.
Kanluwen wrote: You know that Lilith Hesperax is a Wych, right?
And that Morathi wasn't? She was a Sorceress. She was a seer. She relied upon her magic and dark pacts to keep herself safe.
Um, so what? Last time I checked, being a seer doesn't mean being immune to the laws of physics, but OK, I'll bite. Please give me one instance of Morathi using spells to defy gravity, and I'll concede
In fact, you pretty much demolished your own argument - if there is one character that should be able to assume impossible poses, it's a wych, especially such accomplished one as Lelith, by either her skill or Dark Eldar tech. Yet, somehow, Lelith sculptor did excellent job of balancing her on that thin pole of hers, giving her realistic pose that requires zero hand-waving away. Human Morathi is a huge step back in comparison.
Kanluwen wrote: You know that Lilith Hesperax is a Wych, right?
And that Morathi wasn't? She was a Sorceress. She was a seer. She relied upon her magic and dark pacts to keep herself safe.
Um, so what? Last time I checked, being a seer doesn't mean being immune to the laws of physics, but OK, I'll bite. Please give me one instance of Morathi using spells to defy gravity, and I'll concede
What does "defying gravity" have to do with anything?
In fact, you pretty much demolished your own argument - if there is one character that should be able to assume impossible poses, it's a wych, especially such accomplished one as Lelith, by either her skill or Dark Eldar tech. Yet, somehow, Lelith sculptor did excellent job of balancing her on that thin pole of hers, giving her realistic pose that requires zero hand-waving away. Human Morathi is a huge step back in comparison.
What is so "impossible" about Morathi's pose?
She's standing still, with one arm at her side, on a wrecked staircase while pointing with her spear.
Secondary counterpoint: The spear seems to extend behind her. We don't know how far from this angle, but it would provide a counterbalance. She also has metal wing behind her to offset the weight.
Also also, Aelves build things light – it’s part of their aesthetic and technology base to use Ithilmar for as much as possible where anyone else would use steel or bronze. And Ithilmar is basically titanium, from the descriptions of its properties; strong, light, a PITA to work with etc.
Good shout on the ithilmar, something that was obviously inspired by mithril. Also I think her pose was deliberately static because the rest of the range is quite dynamic so she stands out as a royal queen ordering her minions forward and if anyone comes near her just a flick of her wrist would end them.
Spears aren't that heavy to begin with. You can easily lift one and point it in front of you even while tiptoeing. Not if you are gripping it from the end of course, but if you grip a spear where it is meant to be gripped (like Morathi does), you won't have problem with balance at all. Even a comically oversized spear like the one that Morathi is carrying won't weigh more than a few kg.
Something that fantasy and Hollywood in general have done a terrible job of portraying is that weapons are, in general, very light. You lose a lot of power if the weapon is too heavy. The only weapons that are actually heavy are the ones intended to use gravity for your force, like a warhammer. Even those are lighter than you would expect.
EnTyme wrote: Something that fantasy and Hollywood in general have done a terrible job of portraying is that weapons are, in general, very light. You lose a lot of power if the weapon is too heavy. The only weapons that are actually heavy are the ones intended to use gravity for your force, like a warhammer. Even those are lighter than you would expect.
Yeah, even warhammers are surprisingly light (and much smaller than depicted in fantasy). They get most of their impact power from the speed with which they are swung, rather than from their weight. If you want to swing a hammer into battle you want it to be light or else your swings will be too slow, you will risk injuring yourself and you will tire too quickly.
Of course, given how oversized heroic scale weapons in AoS and 40k are, they would be much heavier than equivalent real-life weapons.
I think the Morathi mini looks cool. Just her left arm could have been posed a bit more elegantly.
HorticulusDK wrote: The girl casually TURNS INTO A GIANT SNAKE but yeah let's talk about her unrealistic spear holding :p
{nasal voice} I think you will find, sir, that it is in fact the giant snake that turns into the girl {/nasal voice} She, ah, just has trouble holding it in sometimes…
godardc wrote: Wow, I think she may be THE best release of Aos since its launch. What is her story, why does she transform into a giant snake ?
She got eaten (not that way) by Slaanesh, then kamehameha’d her way out of his stomach and what do you know, the digestive juices of a twisted god of excess do weird things, so now she’s a giant snake daemon that disguises herself as an ordinary Aelf because she a) hates her new ‘natural’ form and b) doesn’t want to have to remodel her throne room with bigger chairs.
The weekly release schedule is a bit weird. You'll have to wait a few weeks to buy all of the units in the army, for no good reason.
Maybe they have some data that proves it is more profitable for them to act this way, but if it's not the case, they should go back to the monthly release schedule (especially when it's a new army that get release).
Chikout wrote: £80 is not too bad a price for two Morathis by recent standards. Very tempted by a daughters of Khaine army.
I know right? GW's pricing makes no sense to me. This model is pretty amazing and seems reasonably priced, but then they sell that Malignant Portents box for $140, yet a shadespire box with 5 unique models for $30.... I really wish I understood =/
Chikout wrote: £80 is not too bad a price for two Morathis by recent standards. Very tempted by a daughters of Khaine army.
I know right? GW's pricing makes no sense to me. This model is pretty amazing and seems reasonably priced, but then they sell that Malignant Portents box for $140, yet a shadespire box with 5 unique models for $30.... I really wish I understood =/
Malign Portents wasn't a box.
It's literally the four different products, at $35 each, with no savings added since it's a "one-click bundle".
8th ed. PFP is the same as in 7th, the buff only depends on the game turn. And the first bonus is the same (6+ FNP, for additional rolling all game long).
Did you guys notice Morathi's spear has a greenish glow to it? Like a poisoned blade (as opposed to a magic blade). It's not common for the daughters. Even the Bloodwracks don't have poisoned spears. I wonder if this will impact the rules.
fresus wrote: 8th ed. PFP is the same as in 7th, the buff only depends on the game turn. And the first bonus is the same (6+ FNP, for additional rolling all game long).
Did you guys notice Morathi's spear has a greenish glow to it? Like a poisoned blade (as opposed to a magic blade). It's not common for the daughters. Even the Bloodwracks don't have poisoned spears. I wonder if this will impact the rules.
Well she is a named character so a magical weapon is highly likely.
Given the cauldron already gave a blanke6 6+ save after the save roll on all DoK models, and a 5+ on Witches, I am quite pleased with this option. It's a "Disgustingly resilient" lite, but we have more models, so I would say it's nice.
Adam Spielmann wrote: Given the cauldron already gave a blanke6 6+ save after the save roll on all DoK models, and a 5+ on Witches, I am quite pleased with this option. It's a "Disgustingly resilient" lite, but we have more models, so I would say it's nice.
Didn't they say the Cualdron and other similar major pieces are being reworked - likely in a similar way to how they did large scale changes to Legions of Nagash, pretty much across the board.
So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
HorticulusDK wrote: So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.
I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.
Knight wrote: Considering how GW is producing big center piece models, I'd think it's almost a certainty to see new models for Teclis, Tyrion and Malerion.
Anyone knows why Ur-Phoenix isn't counted among the pantheon? Isn't it supposed to be a god beast?
Ur-Phoenix is not a God Beast. I don't think we have a lot of information what that is.
I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.
He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.
I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.
He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.
...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?
I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.
He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.
...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?
Not saying your idea was "lorebreaking" or anything.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you wanted them to play upon a thing that he isn't really? If I misunderstood you--apologies. I'm, personally, a fan of the design as it makes for an interesting twist on an Incarnate from the World That Was.
Worth noting for those who can't read the article at the moment, that is for her "Shadow Form"--aka the massive snake.
They didn't give stats for her Oracle form.
She has this though:
and this is her Command Ability:
It suggests that her Command Ability changes with her form.
I like that it'll take at least 4 turns to kill her off (depending on the stats of her Oracle form and how her transformation works). I don't think we've seen any defensive abilities like that so far. I wonder what her wounded table looks like. So far, that's a pretty solid stat line.
Aesthete wrote: I like how Tyrion and Teclis "tried" to create Aelven races of their own. That implies the possibility of all kinds of things going wrong...
It wasn't just them.
Morathi, having escaped the god’s clutches through magical means, helped weave the enchantment that caught Slaanesh, with Malerion, Teclis and Tyrion – ancient aelven warriors reborn as Gods of this new age – also providing aid. Together, they were able to free the aelven souls within Slaanesh, and each was rewarded with a portion to shape as they wished. Combining powerful magic with the sacrifice of her own blood, Morathi forged a new aelven race, and the Melusai and the Khinerai are the first among them.
Nova_Impero wrote:Ur-Phoenix is not a God Beast. I don't think we have a lot of information what that is.
Firestorm claims it's a godbeast venerated by the aelves as the avatar of the righteous vengeance.
I really, really hope Malerion ends up looking very different to that artwork. I can get on board with him absorbing some draconic features but that just looks silly. Much rather they played up the 'Shadowy' aspect of his new persona. In my mind I picture something humanoid, armoured like his old image but fused with draconic elements and dark wings bleeding into an insubstantial shadowy mist.
He's not insubstantial though. The more emotional he gets, the more he can solidify himself into a physical form.
...I never implied he was. Just gave an opinion on aesthetics. Ok, I'll phrase it differently; "wings trailing a shadowy mist behind them". Is that less earth-shatteringly lore breaking?
Not saying your idea was "lorebreaking" or anything.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you wanted them to play upon a thing that he isn't really?
If I misunderstood you--apologies. I'm, personally, a fan of the design as it makes for an interesting twist on an Incarnate from the World That Was.
So how corporeal he is depends on his emotional state (albeit via his own will)? So, by definition, he is also incorporeal at times? Not being a pedantic dick (much), just very aware that there are gaps in my knowledge of the newer setting. Plus; are you saying that the God of Shadow isn't very...'shadowy'? I'd have though that's the one theme they absolutely have to play on. I love the idea of his body forming itself out of a dark mist; which, kinda goes with your comment about his 'solidifying'. Sorry, I'm just confused about how what you said actually contradicted what I described (as it basically reinforced it if anything)?
Aesthetics are all subjective (and the joy of internet means those opinions will polarise) so I'm glad you like the prospective design. Wish I did (though I could say that for just about every AOS design up until the Daughters of Khaine).
I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...
Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.
Knight wrote: Considering how GW is producing big center piece models, I'd think it's almost a certainty to see new models for Teclis, Tyrion and Malerion.
Anyone knows why Ur-Phoenix isn't counted among the pantheon? Isn't it supposed to be a god beast?
Ur-Phoenix is not a God Beast. I don't think we have a lot of information what that is.
Yeah, I think the aelven pantheon as presented here is just the ex-elves characters amongst the new Order's pantheon of Sigmar.
Indeed, only Dracothion has been mentioned as a direct part of Sigmar's team, the other known godbeasts are more wild, unaligned forces of nature, or corrupted monsters (like Argentine).
And yes the Ur-phoenix is a godbeast, see Grand Alliance : Order, page 198.
independent rules for the statue of khaine (without cauldron)???
Yeah, that was already confirmed in yesterdays article. I was always amazed it never had rules in the Dark Elf book. It always seemed odd to just be a sort of nothing piece if you built the Bloodwrack Shrine rather than the Cauldron.
Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...
It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.
Galas wrote:Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.
I don't see how that's any more broken than any other defensive ability, especially since, if I'm reading the ability correctly, she can't be healed by any means. How "broken" she is will depend on her cost, and I'd assume here to be somewhere in the neighborhood of Allarielle's cost, so over 300 points. Also, how is she more vulnerable in melee? I don't see anything to suggest that.
Unless I'm missing something turn is normally player turn. So you could in theory do 6 wounds to her a turn if you did 3 in her combat phase and 3 in yours.
I think it's a fine defensive ability. And it means that most people are going to put 3 wounds on her turn 1 if they can to force her to change up for turn 2. I'm assuming if she dies in form 1 without shifting to form 2 then she dead. Not just auto shifted to form 2 with 6 wounds left.
HorticulusDK wrote: So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.
Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.
The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...
Because Morathi is and was Warhammers biggest dick. Her whole thing has always been manipulation for her own amusement. Think Neferata but dialled up to a 100. And I imagine she can get a lot more soul boost from the idea of a dead god then telling everyone to directly worship her. Also it can give her a get out clause by blaming an absent god if anything goes wrong than having it all rest on her.
Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...
It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.
Right, but they only guarantee that the heart will keep her from losing all her wounds in one turn, which can mean she could have anywhere between four and six in her baby form.
@Hulksmash I always interpret "turn" to be "game turn" unless it specifically states "player turn." Could definitely use an FAQ on that one. I may send it to the FAQ email. I'm also interested in seeing if the "reactive" change occurs immediately after taking damage (so potentially in your opponent's turn) or in your next hero phase following the damage.
@Captain Joystick The article states she has 6 wounds in Oracle form.
HorticulusDK wrote: So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.
Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.
The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...
Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.
Now, we can ask, how exactly do the people of Age of Sigmar even know who Khaine is? I don't know. Why didn't Morathi started a cult around his own figure? Maybe because as she isn't a God people wouldn't follow her.
Galas wrote: Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.
Vetock even hinted , if I heard correctly, that this could actually happen (Khaine being revived) depending on how the campaign goes.
HorticulusDK wrote: So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.
Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.
The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...
Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.
Now, we can ask, how exactly do the people of Age of Sigmar even know who Khaine is? I don't know. Why didn't Morathi started a cult around his own figure? Maybe because as she isn't a God people wouldn't follow her.
Yeah and given that the main aelven gods now are Tyrion-Teclis (too light-y) and Maelrion (no more friends they are), Morathi probably needed something of her own, a puppet, to act as a religious cult. Why not resurrect the good old Khaine worship to 1. have an older god than her son to worship, thus giving her a greater legitimacy as Khaine was Malekith's god once, and 2. have in fact a way to secretly steel the worship for her (because she can ensure, with the Iron Heart, that Khaine won't ever really come back).
EnTyme wrote: @Hulksmash I always interpret "turn" to be "game turn" unless it specifically states "player turn." Could definitely use an FAQ on that one. I may send it to the FAQ email. I'm also interested in seeing if the "reactive" change occurs immediately after taking damage (so potentially in your opponent's turn) or in your next hero phase following the damage.
Doesn't need a FAQ.
Warhammer: Age of Sigmar is played in a
series of battle rounds, each of which is split
into two turns – one for each player.
Looks like one of the old WHFB kits. The Eternity stair IIRC. I think one or both of the old tower kits were in the background to the Malign portents promos as well. So fingers crossed for some more rereleases in the future.
Looks like one of the old WHFB kits. The Eternity stair IIRC. I think one or both of the old tower kits were in the background to the Malign portents promos as well. So fingers crossed for some more rereleases in the future.
Captain Joystick wrote:I'm curious about how the transformation mechanic works. They say you might choose to transform her right away to ensure she definitely survives four turns by way of the heart, but in theory if you just flat added wounds to her you'd still, ultimately survive as long if you transformed in the turn after you took that first three...
It looks like she benefits from the heart in both forms, so she can only lose 3 wounds per turn regardless.
Galas wrote:Thats busted. To have such a monster taking max 4 turns to put down (Or two killing her in meele)... wow. I hope her degrading table is very punishing to balance that out.
I don't see how that's any more broken than any other defensive ability, especially since, if I'm reading the ability correctly, she can't be healed by any means. How "broken" she is will depend on her cost, and I'd assume here to be somewhere in the neighborhood of Allarielle's cost, so over 300 points. Also, how is she more vulnerable in melee? I don't see anything to suggest that.
She’s gonna be fearing Skarbrand. His total carnage ability ignores ALL abilities that lower amounts of wounds or prevent them. If he’s on the table, she’d better stay away. Or she’ll be an expensive snakeskin boot.
HorticulusDK wrote: So Morathi is the same price as Alarielle ? Well okay. She seemed a bit smaller though.
Anyway, on the fluff side of things, I really love the fact that Khaine IS dead (he was too tied to the old WFB pantheon), and that's in fact Morathi the subject of worship in the cult !
As far as I can tell, the cult members still pray to Khaine, Morathi just steals the juice, which is a very Morathi thing to do.
Yeah, but after watching the Phil Kelly video the whole thing bothers me. Why? What's the point? Why she simply doesn't build her own religion, like the other 5 elven gods, but lies and pretends Khaine still exists? It makes no sense considering A) how vain she is, which should make her demand worship directly, not by proxy, B ) the fact that in AoS gods walk the land and talk freely to worshipers, which really should make someone question why Khaine doesn't do the same, C) the fact order pantheon is under siege and needs all the allies they can get, which should lead Sigmar, Tyrion, and the rest of the band wonder where this supposed god is and ask how they might contact him to inquire if he won't help.
The whole affair sounds like OotS Nale's 'needlessly complicated' shtick, as it gives Morathi nothing, except maybe deniability (from who/what, though?), but risks exploding in her face all the time if the zealots and fanatics of fake god under her ever learn the whole thing was a scam and decided to do something about it...
Because Morathi is NOT a God. She wants to become one, I don't know exactly whats makes you a God instead of a very powerfull and magical individual but she is not one. And about the B) point, Khaine is a dead God, thats why his worshippers want to revive him, and nobody expect him to manifest himself. And by the lore we have now, it could actually happen, for Khaine to resurrect, but as long as Morathi has his heart and uses his to empowerll herself, thats isn't gonna happen.
Now, we can ask, how exactly do the people of Age of Sigmar even know who Khaine is? I don't know. Why didn't Morathi started a cult around his own figure? Maybe because as she isn't a God people wouldn't follow her.
That's what bothers me about the whole story. And why would people not follow her? Shes seems to be as strong as Alarielle, who is a god herself. Maybe it's better explained in the book, but right now, it seems a bit needlesly complicated
EnTyme wrote: @Captain Joystick The article states she has 6 wounds in Oracle form.
And so, once again, I wonder how they'll implement her wounds carrying over when she transforms. Because they seem to suggest some people will opt to transform her right away to guarantee she'll survive at least four turns, but if her wounds carry over flat 1 for 1, you'll get that same guarantee by waiting until she takes damage.
EnTyme wrote: @Hulksmash I always interpret "turn" to be "game turn" unless it specifically states "player turn." Could definitely use an FAQ on that one. I may send it to the FAQ email. I'm also interested in seeing if the "reactive" change occurs immediately after taking damage (so potentially in your opponent's turn) or in your next hero phase following the damage.
Doesn't need a FAQ.
Warhammer: Age of Sigmar is played in a
series of battle rounds, each of which is split
into two turns – one for each player.
It's right in the core rules.
I stand corrected.
Captain Joystick wrote:
EnTyme wrote: @Captain Joystick The article states she has 6 wounds in Oracle form.
And so, once again, I wonder how they'll implement her wounds carrying over when she transforms. Because they seem to suggest some people will opt to transform her right away to guarantee she'll survive at least four turns, but if her wounds carry over flat 1 for 1, you'll get that same guarantee by waiting until she takes damage.
If it's your standard "replace model with X" wording, she would have her full wounds back.
So this time she basicly created a race of her own witch elves (funny considering Hellebron and the Khainites were her rivals in the old WFB) to cheat out of a god?
I'm amused that they mention how her shooting attack is useful for picking off standard bearers and the like when RAW all models in the unit (even the champion) can be both musicians and standard bearers and don't even have to be modelled as such.
I'm personally baffled people keep asking the question. The knife ears are possibly, rigth behind skaven, the race that suffered less loses during the aftermath of the end times because everyone that died either got chained to Mallus or got eaten by slaanesh... and then recovered by the new gods. As it is, there is clearly a HIGH percentage of Aelfs that must still remember about Khaine and be rightfully wary of Morathi presenting herself as a new goddess. The other three cases are less of a gray area because two are realm gods proper and the other seems to be fulfilling a satellite function to one of the former.
Lord Kragan wrote: I'm personally baffled people keep asking the question. The knife ears are possibly, rigth behind skaven, the race that suffered less loses during the aftermath of the end times because everyone that died either got chained to Mallus or got eaten by slaanesh... and then recovered by the new gods. As it is, there is clearly a HIGH percentage of Aelfs that must still remember about Khaine and be rightfully wary of Morathi presenting herself as a new goddess. The other three cases are less of a gray area because two are realm gods proper and the other seems to be fulfilling a satellite function to one of the former.
They did that to nearly everybody, dwarfs, humans, etc... their souls were used to reincarnate them in the mortal realms. But do they remember about the World that was? I think only beings like the Gods remember it, and even then their memories where muddy.
So this time she basicly created a race of her own witch elves (funny considering Hellebron and the Khainites were her rivals in the old WFB) to cheat out of a god?
Talk about having a cake and eating it too.
Hellebron was her rival. The Witch Elves in general were originally Morathi’s creation, usurped by Hellebron, and she still favoured them politically where that was relevant. Otherwise Malekith could doubtless have been persuaded to eliminate them because basically no-one else wanted them around. Anyway, I’m not that surprised she went back to basics, only this time with blackjack and snake-aelf archers, myself.
Lord Kragan wrote: I'm personally baffled people keep asking the question. The knife ears are possibly, rigth behind skaven, the race that suffered less loses during the aftermath of the end times because everyone that died either got chained to Mallus or got eaten by slaanesh... and then recovered by the new gods. As it is, there is clearly a HIGH percentage of Aelfs that must still remember about Khaine and be rightfully wary of Morathi presenting herself as a new goddess. The other three cases are less of a gray area because two are realm gods proper and the other seems to be fulfilling a satellite function to one of the former.
They did that to nearly everybody, dwarfs, humans, etc... their souls were used to reincarnate them in the mortal realms. But do they remember about the World that was? I think only beings like the Gods remember it, and even then their memories where muddy.
Dwarfs and humans do not remember the world that was because... well most of them (bar grombindal and some crazy ass outliers) are dead by now. But this isn't something that affects elves/aelfs because they are technically inmortal.
But they died in the end times. And were eaten by Slaanesh, their souls then freed by Tyrion & co. and then reincarnated. Whay I'm asking is, do they remember their past lives after being reincarnated?
Wasn't that what happened with Humans, Dwarfs, etc... too? The Gods used their souls to reincarnate them in the Mortal Realms.
And are Elves inmortal to old age? I don't remember Warhammer Elf/Eldar being inmortal to old age.
(I'll add that my knowledge in the AoS lore is faar from perfect or complete so I can be totally wrong about this)
Galas wrote: But they died in the end times. And were eaten by Slaanesh, their souls then freed by Tyrion & co. and then reincarnated. Whay I'm asking is, do they remember their past lives after being reincarnated?
Wasn't that what happened with Humans, Dwarfs, etc... too? The Gods used their souls to reincarnate them in the Mortal Realms.
And are Elves inmortal to old age? I don't remember Warhammer Elf/Eldar being inmortal to old age.
(I'll add that my knowledge in the AoS lore is faar from perfect or complete so I can be totally wrong about this)
Bear in mind that quite a number of elves were still alive after Slaanesh went into his food coma. He ate a bunch of souls when Teclis unbound the Great Vortex, then drifted off to sleep. Also, the destruction of the World that Was wasn't necessarily fatal. Getting pulled into the Realm of Chaos doesn't quite equal dead. The odds aren't good, but it's survivable. Heck, at this point it might be quicker to start naming off characters that DIDN'T survive that mess.
Not sure I'd go that far, there were a lot of special characters across the army books.
Anyways, on the whole Khaine thing to me there seems to be a clear political advantage as other gods would almost certainly keep a much closer eye on Morathi if she was blatantly having herself worshipped as a god. Making herself as a servant of another power instantly makes her seem less powerful/threatening.
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EnTyme wrote: That depends on whether or not your group enforces WYSIWYG. It's not really a rules issue IMO.
Still doesn't change that they are commenting on a use that, by the rules, isn't useful.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Not sure I'd go that far, there were a lot of special characters across the army books.
Anyways, on the whole Khaine thing to me there seems to be a clear political advantage as other gods would almost certainly keep a much closer eye on Morathi if she was blatantly having herself worshipped as a god. Making herself as a servant of another power instantly makes her seem less powerful/threatening.
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EnTyme wrote: That depends on whether or not your group enforces WYSIWYG. It's not really a rules issue IMO.
Still doesn't change that they are commenting on a use that, by the rules, isn't useful.
How about picking off special weapons in units? Grundstok Thunderers come to mind.
Lord Kragan wrote: I'm personally baffled people keep asking the question. The knife ears are possibly, rigth behind skaven, the race that suffered less loses during the aftermath of the end times because everyone that died either got chained to Mallus or got eaten by slaanesh... and then recovered by the new gods. As it is, there is clearly a HIGH percentage of Aelfs that must still remember about Khaine and be rightfully wary of Morathi presenting herself as a new goddess. The other three cases are less of a gray area because two are realm gods proper and the other seems to be fulfilling a satellite function to one of the former.
They did that to nearly everybody, dwarfs, humans, etc... their souls were used to reincarnate them in the mortal realms. But do they remember about the World that was? I think only beings like the Gods remember it, and even then their memories where muddy.
The Mortarchs remember. Except for Arkhan, who is noted in the novels to actually not be able to remember the world that was, which makes one think he may actually just have been replicated by Nagash to serve him once more rather then fully brought over.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Not sure I'd go that far, there were a lot of special characters across the army books.
Anyways, on the whole Khaine thing to me there seems to be a clear political advantage as other gods would almost certainly keep a much closer eye on Morathi if she was blatantly having herself worshipped as a god. Making herself as a servant of another power instantly makes her seem less powerful/threatening.
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EnTyme wrote: That depends on whether or not your group enforces WYSIWYG. It's not really a rules issue IMO.
Still doesn't change that they are commenting on a use that, by the rules, isn't useful.
How about picking off special weapons in units? Grundstok Thunderers come to mind.
Oh don't get me wrong it is totally useful, as well as in the vast majority of cases where people are reasonable and have only one music/standard in the unit. I'm just mildly amused by the statement given the RAW context.
Galas wrote: But they died in the end times. And were eaten by Slaanesh, their souls then freed by Tyrion & co. and then reincarnated. Whay I'm asking is, do they remember their past lives after being reincarnated?
Wasn't that what happened with Humans, Dwarfs, etc... too? The Gods used their souls to reincarnate them in the Mortal Realms.
And are Elves inmortal to old age? I don't remember Warhammer Elf/Eldar being inmortal to old age.
(I'll add that my knowledge in the AoS lore is faar from perfect or complete so I can be totally wrong about this)
Its seems to vary there are some who seem to have awoken in the new worlds - mainly the Gods - Sigmar, Grungni etc, some who may be replica's or are the originals reborn - Mortarchs, some are descendants of those who escaped the World that Was.
An old clan, ours. Venerable even when the world was young. We dug our way out of one world and into another, ahead of an all-consuming fire, or so the story goes. We left a lake enclosed by mountains, and came to new waters and new mountains. Formed a new clan from the ruins of the old
The novel Spear of Shadows talks a bit about this as does the Author on his blog pages - in the former, Grungni talks about his brothers and sisters and if in fact any of what they are experiencing is even real.
Sweet hell's teeth, that's a nice kit. And they're totally on round bases, aren't they? Mmm, so many possibilities.
EDIT: Foot hag with them is looking great too, dunno if she's a new sculpt or just fresh paint on a Cauldron chick or something. Guessing new (and assuming it's been covered).
YEEEES! Not only are they beautiful, I'm finally getting Mortal Wounds! Bloody Ironjawz and their complete lack of MW, this is gonna feel so damn good <3
The Hag is from the Cauldron. I do wonder if these are going to come in boxes of 5, as they seem to be always shown in units of 5.
Edit: As an aside I notice last night the witch aelves have gone to sold out (but not the cauldron curiously), so reboxing must be happening right now.
TheDraconicLord wrote: YEEEES! Not only are they beautiful, I'm finally getting Mortal Wounds! Bloody Ironjawz and their complete lack of MW, this is gonna feel so damn good <3
DoKs are one of the armies of Order with the highest potential for Mortal Wounds. Medusas are scary on that regards.
I think they're going to ba scary with Morathi making them shoot twice. I can imagine them shooting twice at 18-24 inches. So yeah, it's going to be scary.
I still have zero interest in AOS, but there's some modeling projects for my Emperor's Children that have just had some interesting options open up for them...
Azreal13 wrote: I still have zero interest in AOS, but there's some modeling projects for my Emperor's Children that have just had some interesting options open up for them...
I've grown VERY much the same opinion on AoS. Everyone in my local area seems to have moved over to it and I find it's lack of anything resembling balance too jarring. I went and converted a ton of my Skaven over into Death Guard to play them in 40k...now I may have to find something in 40k for these girls and snakes. Slaanesh isn't a bad idea though.
I wonder if these galls and there winged sisters will have an optional hero build or two to lead your force. Or will the daughters main source of (non Morathi) generals still be the Cauldron of blood?
Eldarain wrote: They seem to hint at it with the "certain general makes them Battleline"
I was thinking maybe the Medusa will be that general? I thought that snake bow girl with the pet snake thing would be a Leader but maybe she's just the unit champion.
Wow those snake bodies are simply amazingly well designed. I don't think I've ever seen a snake-bodied model which looks nearly that good. I also like how the main distinguishing factor between the variants (other than weapon) is mask or no mask, it continues the design elements of the witch elf kit and makes them feel like part of the army rather than an obvious add-on.
I'm not up to date with AoS/old WHFB models but are those green snakes some old model or a new one? it seems like a central serpentine body (melusai like) but green.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Wow those snake bodies are simply amazingly well designed. I don't think I've ever seen a snake-bodied model which looks nearly that good. I also like how the main distinguishing factor between the variants (other than weapon) is mask or no mask, it continues the design elements of the witch elf kit and makes them feel like part of the army rather than an obvious add-on.
The chest plate is different as well but I agree, I do like the different masks/helms/tiara's to differentiate the units.
EnTyme wrote: The masks immediately make me think of the Persian Immortals from 300. I love the aesthetic.
If 300 Immortals and the snake guys from Diablo had a baby.
There is so much potential for conversions from these guys, the more I look at them the more in love I am.
You got them as they are, Slaanesh daemons.....Actually what are you guys planning to use them as also? Definitely picking Morathi up for a Keeper Of Secrets, don't think I could fit her in my AoS army, maybe you could also use the Harpies as Furies? Nice suggestion on the Sslyth! I'd also get an extra box to have more immortal masks, put em on Slaanesh Cultists, some badass looking free-guild, Blood Knight death masks. So much usage!
NinthMusketeer wrote: Wow those snake bodies are simply amazingly well designed. I don't think I've ever seen a snake-bodied model which looks nearly that good. I also like how the main distinguishing factor between the variants (other than weapon) is mask or no mask, it continues the design elements of the witch elf kit and makes them feel like part of the army rather than an obvious add-on.
I was just gonna comment the same thing. The snake half of the body is SOO good. Maybe is the paint job but is the best snake-looking miniature I have ever seen. Now that I know GW can do that, I'll kill for a full Naga kit with the upper part of the boddy being a snake monster with arms too!
EnTyme wrote: The masks immediately make me think of the Persian Immortals from 300. I love the aesthetic.
If 300 Immortals and the snake guys from Diablo had a baby.
There is so much potential for conversions from these guys, the more I look at them the more in love I am.
You got them as they are, Slaanesh daemons.....Actually what are you guys planning to use them as also? Definitely picking Morathi up for a Keeper Of Secrets, don't think I could fit her in my AoS army, maybe you could also use the Harpies as Furies? Nice suggestion on the Sslyth! I'd also get an extra box to have more immortal masks, put em on Slaanesh Cultists, some badass looking free-guild, Blood Knight death masks. So much usage!
I'm wondering how big they are, a few Wrack/Talos parts might turn them into excellent Grotesques.
EnTyme wrote: The masks immediately make me think of the Persian Immortals from 300. I love the aesthetic.
If 300 Immortals and the snake guys from Diablo had a baby.
There is so much potential for conversions from these guys, the more I look at them the more in love I am.
You got them as they are, Slaanesh daemons.....Actually what are you guys planning to use them as also? Definitely picking Morathi up for a Keeper Of Secrets, don't think I could fit her in my AoS army, maybe you could also use the Harpies as Furies? Nice suggestion on the Sslyth! I'd also get an extra box to have more immortal masks, put em on Slaanesh Cultists, some badass looking free-guild, Blood Knight death masks. So much usage!
I'm wondering how big they are, a few Wrack/Talos parts might turn them into excellent Grotesques.
In the picture, the sisters of slaughter are on 25mm bases, the death hag on a 32mm. So I suppose the snake girls are on 40mm round bases. Their upper bodies seem comparable to the standard witch elves ones, so they're mostly taller with some bulk created by the tails loops.
I think wrack upper bodies should work pretty well on these, as long as you remove the taper the snake girls have at their waist. This might be pretty easy or require some green stuff work, depending on how the kits are done.
Mymearan wrote: Wow, those snake bodies are incredible, I completely agree that they are the best snakemen-lower bodies I've ever seen... including from Mierce!
And if I'm not mistaken, those are five entirely different snake bodies? I don't see a repeat in the unit...
Would be very strange if there were repeats in a 5 man unit kit from GW.
Mymearan wrote: Wow, those snake bodies are incredible, I completely agree that they are the best snakemen-lower bodies I've ever seen... including from Mierce!
And if I'm not mistaken, those are five entirely different snake bodies? I don't see a repeat in the unit...
Would be very strange if there were repeats in a 5 man unit kit from GW.
Pretty sure they have several kits with only 2-3 leg options in a 5-man kit.
Looks like 5 distinct snake bodies but it is indeed a dual kit. The sprues must be pretty crazy, don't expect a lot of head options or personalization/customizing bits. This is why I was hoping it wasn't a dual kit, same posing across a unit except for the champion. Lucky the design and look is good enough to make up for the lack of apparent bits and options in the kit.
Even as a non-AOS player, I see enormous potential for using those in 40K with a little modification.
And I am converting them to Ushabtis for my Tomb Kings!
Kahless
Now there's an idea. I think you just made GW some money.
Converting an AoS model to be used in WHFB? That's kind of ironic Not that I would do that, as their marketing team would think that I'd want AoS, and not WHFB.
I wonder how many of their sales are actually for AoS, and not for other projects. Because they are certainly nice models, and I could see them being used for other systems.
To make them look like constructs, try painting them to look like greco-roman marble statues. Egypt did have strong ties with Greece, after all (Cleopatra was a Greek, for example), and Egypt did become a Roman province. Of course, I mean white marble statues, not painted marble statues, which is what the Greeks and the Romans actually did.
Even as a non-AOS player, I see enormous potential for using those in 40K with a little modification.
And I am converting them to Ushabtis for my Tomb Kings!
Kahless
Now there's an idea. I think you just made GW some money.
Converting an AoS model to be used in WHFB? That's kind of ironic Not that I would do that, as their marketing team would think that I'd want AoS, and not WHFB.
I wonder how many of their sales are actually for AoS, and not for other projects. Because they are certainly nice models, and I could see them being used for other systems.
To make them look like constructs, try painting them to look like greco-roman marble statues. Egypt did have strong ties with Greece, after all (Cleopatra was a Greek, for example), and Egypt did become a Roman province.
Of course, I mean white marble statues, not painted marble statues, which is what the Greeks and the Romans actually did.
Technically I'd still be playing legacy Tomb Kings in Age of Sigmar because Fantasy was pretty much dead around here before the End Times and, surprisingly enough, went back to being dead after the end of the world. But I guess if someone wanted to play 9th Age...
Not that i actually get a lot of games of Age of Sigmar either, but at least that game is occasionally played at my local store.
The important thing is that we are getting pretty, new models that I can convert into something even better. I prefer the traditional Egyptian black and gold statue look and the only thing that needs to change aside from maybe changing their armor a little (like filling runes if there are any, for instance) is the addition of viper heads.
I gotta say, at this point I'm kind of hoping the rumors GW is relaunching Fantasy is true... at least I know that game will be fun...
I've heard it twice now from two seperate individuals who do such rumor hunting for fun, no clue where they heard it. But the general idea seems to be that after the massive success of Total War:Warhammer they think it's a good idea to bring it back.
I would be very surprised if fantasy comes back any time soon. The user base for AOS is still growing steadily. The guy who runs the tga forums is struggling to cover the running costs due to the increased membership and active users. The introduction of these new armies is only going to increase the player base for AOS further.
Shadespire has also been very successful. It is in the top ten collectible games on boardgamegeek (who do their rankings based on combination of the number and score of ratings). I am sure this will tempt more players into AOS in the long run.
Reintroducing fantasy now would only stall this momentum.
If they want to bring it back, the sensible thing would be to get forgeworld to do a game set during the war of the beard as a kind of fantasy Horus Heresy, but they shouldn’t do it for at least another three or four years.
I gotta say, at this point I'm kind of hoping the rumors GW is relaunching Fantasy is true... at least I know that game will be fun...
I've heard it twice now from two seperate individuals who do such rumor hunting for fun, no clue where they heard it. But the general idea seems to be that after the massive success of Total War:Warhammer they think it's a good idea to bring it back.
I hope so. I missed rank and file warfare. If they relaunch I might get dwarves. I would prefer Empire, but after grumbling so much dwarves might be more suitable. There's even a copy-right friendly name they could give to them - the Dawi.
Chikout wrote: I would be very surprised if fantasy comes back any time soon. The user base for AOS is still growing steadily. The guy who runs the tga forums is struggling to cover the running costs due to the increased membership and active users. The introduction of these new armies is only going to increase the player base for AOS further.
Shadespire has also been very successful. It is in the top ten collectible games on boardgamegeek (who do their rankings based on combination of the number and score of ratings). I am sure this will tempt more players into AOS in the long run.
Reintroducing fantasy now would only stall this momentum.
If they want to bring it back, the sensible thing would be to get forgeworld to do a game set during the war of the beard as a kind of fantasy Horus Heresy, but they shouldn’t do it for at least another three or four years.
I fully agree. All these "WHFB is coming back soon, because AoS doesn't sell, which I know because I don't play it" seems to always come from people who are still disgruntled about the End Times, and can't seem to grasp that 8th in combination with the GW prices was near impossible to get into as a new player.
Chikout wrote: I would be very surprised if fantasy comes back any time soon. The user base for AOS is still growing steadily. The guy who runs the tga forums is struggling to cover the running costs due to the increased membership and active users. The introduction of these new armies is only going to increase the player base for AOS further. Shadespire has also been very successful. It is in the top ten collectible games on boardgamegeek (who do their rankings based on combination of the number and score of ratings). I am sure this will tempt more players into AOS in the long run.
Reintroducing fantasy now would only stall this momentum. If they want to bring it back, the sensible thing would be to get forgeworld to do a game set during the war of the beard as a kind of fantasy Horus Heresy, but they shouldn’t do it for at least another three or four years.
I fully agree. All these "WHFB is coming back soon, because AoS doesn't sell, which I know because I don't play it" seems to always come from people who are still disgruntled about the End Times, and can't seem to grasp that 8th in combination with the GW prices was near impossible to get into as a new player.
Which could have been solved by releasing an edition that didn't favor hoard armies, give elite armies a reason to exist and not cost an arm and a leg to get into. 5 cavalry models should never cost 100 euros. But no, GW's marketing department could never make mistakes. Its clearly because no one wants the game, not because of any fault of theirs.
I gotta say, at this point I'm kind of hoping the rumors GW is relaunching Fantasy is true... at least I know that game will be fun...
I've heard it twice now from two seperate individuals who do such rumor hunting for fun, no clue where they heard it. But the general idea seems to be that after the massive success of Total War:Warhammer they think it's a good idea to bring it back.
I hope so. I missed rank and file warfare.
If they relaunch I might get dwarves. I would prefer Empire, but after grumbling so much dwarves might be more suitable. There's even a copy-right friendly name they could give to them - the Dawi.
I loved Fantasy, but I feel the game was unsuitable for the model range. You needed big units that ranked up easily. GW game us expensive and detailed models that stabbed each other in the bottom if you got them too close to each other.
If they wanted to rerelease a version of the Rank&File ruleset, I'd much prefer they used a smaller scale for minis, and left the current range for AOS.
Chikout wrote: I would be very surprised if fantasy comes back any time soon. The user base for AOS is still growing steadily. The guy who runs the tga forums is struggling to cover the running costs due to the increased membership and active users. The introduction of these new armies is only going to increase the player base for AOS further.
Shadespire has also been very successful. It is in the top ten collectible games on boardgamegeek (who do their rankings based on combination of the number and score of ratings). I am sure this will tempt more players into AOS in the long run.
Reintroducing fantasy now would only stall this momentum.
If they want to bring it back, the sensible thing would be to get forgeworld to do a game set during the war of the beard as a kind of fantasy Horus Heresy, but they shouldn’t do it for at least another three or four years.
Yup I have said in the past that if it were to come back it would be under forgeworld. Plus at the end of the day I will believe it when I see it.
As a result of the taint of Slaanesh, many aelven souls are permanently marred or twisted...
I'd really like to have a chat with the design team on the topic of how does the soul/AoS divinities behave and what are their restrictions. A "tainted" soul is rather vague term, does this mean that Slaanesh permanently changed much of the aelves population or will Tyrion and Teclis manage to remove those "impurities"?
As a result of the taint of Slaanesh, many aelven souls are permanently marred or twisted...
I'd really like to have a chat with the design team on the topic of how does the soul/AoS divinities behave and what are their restrictions. A "tainted" soul is rather vague term, does this mean that Slaanesh permanently changed much of the aelves population or will Tyrion and Teclis manage to remove those "impurities"?
I guess with GW being somewhat responsive these days you could go to Facebook and suggest that as the topic of a future Warhammer Live stream. If enough people agree, who knows? This might be the time for it, with Slaanesh, the elves and Nagash making such a big deal out of it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So in all those pictures is that a hag craving attention or just the waitress trying to get everyone their drink. Doesn't look easy when your patrons are flying...
zamerion wrote: curious that it seems only a cut piece of a complete picture.
Maybe there is something that they dont want to show us ..
I also think the Aelf legs on the right of the picture really look like the Tenebreal Shard ones ...
Similar pose, but that's all. The Tenebral Shard is barefoot and the opposite leg is up.
It definitely looks like it was based off the same CAD design. I really like the overall Succubus aesthetic, though. Not sure why people keep calling them harpies other than DE having access to harpies in WHFB. Those are definitely demon/bat wings, not bird wings.
zamerion wrote: curious that it seems only a cut piece of a complete picture.
Maybe there is something that they dont want to show us ..
I also think the Aelf legs on the right of the picture really look like the Tenebreal Shard ones ...
Similar pose, but that's all. The Tenebral Shard is barefoot and the opposite leg is up.
It definitely looks like it was based off the same CAD design. I really like the overall Succubus aesthetic, though. Not sure why people keep calling them harpies other than DE having access to harpies in WHFB. Those are definitely demon/bat wings, not bird wings.
Not really mislabeled, as the original models definitely wouldn't pass as a succubus either! I believe they chose to call them harpies based on their original background and not what the models looked like.
No, it was definitely mislabeled if that's the original model. That thing is most definitely not a harpy by any traditional definition. It could almost pass for a winged Striga, though.
I gotta say, at this point I'm kind of hoping the rumors GW is relaunching Fantasy is true... at least I know that game will be fun...
I've heard it twice now from two seperate individuals who do such rumor hunting for fun, no clue where they heard it. But the general idea seems to be that after the massive success of Total War:Warhammer they think it's a good idea to bring it back.
How many do you need though? If you only need 5-10 then it's not that bad. If its like WHFB 8th ed where they are only effective if you have 20 per block, then yeah, that's a problem.
As a result of the taint of Slaanesh, many aelven souls are permanently marred or twisted...
I'd really like to have a chat with the design team on the topic of how does the soul/AoS divinities behave and what are their restrictions. A "tainted" soul is rather vague term, does this mean that Slaanesh permanently changed much of the aelves population or will Tyrion and Teclis manage to remove those "impurities"?
From what I understand the souls themselves are not tainted in the chaos corruption sense, rather their warped forms could be considered a 'scar' of their ordeal. Of course this isn't a scar from a stab wound or burn but rather being partly digested by a chaos god, so ya know. What we are seeing here is what Morathi did with the souls she got, so I'd say it's likely the proper gods were able to do more in the direction of re-Elfinating.
On the topic of the nuharpies, IMO including a tail to hold them aloft (I like hidden flying stands) was a good call even if they seem a little stiff. And dam that's nice paint work on the wings. Rest seems pretty straightforward, which is good and often underrated to have in an army. I think we've all seen plenty of GW oversculpting and I'm glad they seem to be dialing that back.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How many do you need though? If you only need 5-10 then it's not that bad. If its like WHFB 8th ed where they are only effective if you have 20 per block, then yeah, that's a problem.
Considering these are likely to be elites I wouldn't expect more than 10 per unit to be something you'd want to do. That said if they don't use this chance to rebox the Witchs/SoS to 20 mans to get a "hidden" cost cut in there I'm going to be sad. Because those you do need 30 of per unit and $150 per unit of 270pts is a bit crazy. These were models that suffered some of the worst of the Goldswords syndrome.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:How many do you need though? If you only need 5-10 then it's not that bad. If its like WHFB 8th ed where they are only effective if you have 20 per block, then yeah, that's a problem.
From the way other elites work in AoS, 10 would probably be the most you'd want in a group. We won't really know until we see the full warscrolls and Match Play profile, though. There may be a bonus for having 8+ models or something like that.
Chopstick wrote: Look like there won't be any new generic hero for DoK
This is quite a small release, hopefully the next rumour Elf faction have a big release like Kharadron Overlord.
Well ;
three Heroes (the 2 blood priestesses, inc. Helbron repurposed I guess, + the Medusa), maybe the Tenebrael Shard,
Morathi in her two forms, inc. one big centerpiece,
2 elite types (snake and wings),
1 cavalry unit
2 infantry types (witch and sister)
2 big centerpiece (maybe more ?)
1 Avatar of Khaine on foot, elite / monster unit ?
It's pretty okay IMO. Bigger than KO (then KO didn't have a WFB End Time release to build upon ; remember that the Witch aelves releases were originally destined to come out not with the Dark Elves army book but with End Times : Khaine).
It's pretty okay IMO. Bigger than KO (then KO didn't have a WFB End Time release to build upon ; remember that the Witch aelves releases were originally destined to come out not with the Dark Elves army book but with End Times : Khaine).
I think they mean it is a small release in terms of NEW kits being released, not the number of total units in the battletome.
It's pretty okay IMO. Bigger than KO (then KO didn't have a WFB End Time release to build upon ; remember that the Witch aelves releases were originally destined to come out not with the Dark Elves army book but with End Times : Khaine).
Even with the old 3 kit combined they still have less release than KO. which have a whooping 4 generic heroes, DoK could use 2 separated relese generic hero.
If GW release Sylvaneth nowaday they probably make each Kurnoth Hunter with each weapon a separated unit, so the release would look big to easy impressionable customer.
It's pretty okay IMO. Bigger than KO (then KO didn't have a WFB End Time release to build upon ; remember that the Witch aelves releases were originally destined to come out not with the Dark Elves army book but with End Times : Khaine).
I think they mean it is a small release in terms of NEW kits being released, not the number of total units in the battletome.
Yeah your are probably right, but what I tried to say is that KO is a "one shot" release, when Daughter Of Khaine was probably long in the making / End times related.
I.e, even if the release now is quite small (2 new kits, 1 monster Character, 1 Battletome & dice ?), it's because the DoK faction already have AOS-designed models.
I really like KO and DoK sized factions (as a whole)... When you have giant faction like The Empire in WFB, or maybe Blades Of Khorne you start to have (rule wise) quite redundant choices (but it still totally makes sense to have big fat mono-God Chaos books, at least for the background).
Of course, you may be wondering just who will be casting these spells – after all, Hag Queens are talented, but lack magical aptitude, and while Morathi’s mastery of shadow magic is certain, what if you want to put more casters in your army?
The Bloodwrack Medusa is the answer. Previously, these creatures were thought to be mere monsters – the truth is far more complex. Bloodwrack Medusae are high-ranking members of the Daughters of Khaine who once doubted the will of Morathi – to secure their loyalty, Morathi has infected them with her own vital essence, causing them to assume a similar form to her and granting them mastery of shadow magic – as well as binding them to the Shadow Queen’s will utterly. You’ll find they make for a useful alternative command option for your army.
Sooooo, the HQ option that will allow medusas to be Battleline?
Gods, a walking statue of Khaine and now the old Medusas are HQ. I'm LOVING this "recycling"!
Cool, I always thought AoS needed some generic ruin terrain. Good to see such low-key/normal stuff isn't forgotten. Without that then stuff like the gnarlmaw seems less notable and more par-for-the-course.
I also like how they've been 'recycling' old kits to create new options, it's a great move to give us more warscrolls without needing to add new kits. Hopefully this will lead into warscrolls for units that need a bit of converting. Which will hopefully lead to the HoN on plague drone that I've wanted for so long!!
The styling of the ruins kit looks like it could work as a fantasy version of the 40k urban terrain sets with there individual wall sections. There was some blurry terrain in the background of one of the Daughters of Khain promo vids that looked like the archways from this new set. But it was taller with the appearance of multiple floors. Could more kits of the same style be on the horizon? Or could it just have been these ruins stacked on top of each other?
What I think this kit is missing is any indication of a second story, or wnat the floors look like...other than that, I'm really happy to see some more peeks into what ancient (age of Myth?) architecture in the Realms looks like.
What I think this kit is missing is any indication of a second story, or wnat the floors look like...other than that, I'm really happy to see some more peeks into what ancient (age of Myth?) architecture in the Realms looks like.
I think the curved arch sections may have inserts to make full walls. Some of the ruins on the cover of the Blasted hallowheart box look like they are missing the bricked up center's.
What I think this kit is missing is any indication of a second story, or wnat the floors look like...other than that, I'm really happy to see some more peeks into what ancient (age of Myth?) architecture in the Realms looks like.
I think the curved arch sections may have inserts to make full walls. Some of the ruins on the cover of the Blasted hallowheart box look like they are missing the bricked up center's.
I agree, to make them like a blind arcade. Decorative archways but really walls.
Well, am a bitsy worried about Medusae being mages. Love their shooting attack, the're more or less my most feared unit at my local GW store. let's hope they mantain some sort of shooting attack...
The new ruins probably follow the same pattern as the STC RYZA RUIN where you only get the sprue with the full wall from the box with the cardboard mat. They cerainly look that way from the box.
Between Bloodwrack Medusae, Hag Queens, Slaughter Queens and Morathi herself, your Daughters of Khaine heroes won’t just be terrors in close combat but invaluable support units with these new spells and prayers on hand!
That new unit, or just new name of the two dagger girl from blood spa wagon?
Between Bloodwrack Medusae, Hag Queens, Slaughter Queens and Morathi herself, your Daughters of Khaine heroes won’t just be terrors in close combat but invaluable support units with these new spells and prayers on hand!
That new unit, or just new name of the two dagger girl from blood spa wagon?
Given the pictures in the article, that's probably the two blood priestess in the Blood coven kit (in the shrine kit)..
You can even field the Khainite statue that usually stands atop the Shrine as a separate unit, representing an iron Avatar of Khaine.
Lol oh wow, I totally glazed over that.
Very cool and exciting.. also considering it was mentioned in the end times that the DE had them.. seemed weird they had no TT rep! Lookin forward to see the stats
I assume Hag Queen is the one with cup, but Slaughter Queen is interesting. Neither of the priestesses has the mask Sisters of Slaughter wear, yet going by name it's supposed to be a super-Sister of Slaughter. Maybe it's kitbash of SoS mask/priestess, like several of recent 40K units?
You can even field the Khainite statue that usually stands atop the Shrine as a separate unit, representing an iron Avatar of Khaine.
And looking at the WD preview its not just a faction specific terrain piece. Its an actual mobile unit. I know GW want to get as much out of the Shrine kit as possible, but they have missed a chance for a AoS/40k cross over kit there
You can even field the Khainite statue that usually stands atop the Shrine as a separate unit, representing an iron Avatar of Khaine.
And looking at the WD preview its not just a faction specific terrain piece. Its an actual mobile unit. I know GW want to get as much out of the Shrine kit as possible, but they have missed a chance for a AoS/40k cross over kit there
There's every possibility that it requires nearby units to move though.
Ironweld Arsenal stuff has Movement values but they require nearby crew.
Did Witch Elf get a price cut, look like they have similar price to other 40US$ kit. on NZ store? Or maybe they always had that price on NZ.
I'm about 90% sure that Witch Elves came in boxes of 5. I don't know why I kept thinking they were boxes of 5. I should have known better. They were 10 but $60 USD.
I'm a bit bummed on Doomfires/Dark Riders not getting packed into boxes of 10 personally.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm about 90% sure that Witch Elves came in boxes of 5.
You should go with the 10% They were $60 for 10 models earlier this week.
I did a strikethrough, damnit!
I really wish I could remember why I kept thinking that. It has to be something stupid, like I was saying it would have been smarter to break them into boxes of 5 for the Sisters of Slaughter or something 'back in the day'.
I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...
Ghaz wrote: I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...
I'm kind of interested as to why there are Dark Riders in one of the 'action shots' for the Warscroll Cards and why it looks like they're fighting alongside the DoK stuff.
Desubot wrote: Dunno. NZ website has a bunch of Calvary on the preorder section too.
They have one box that's a double build.
Doomfire Warlocks have been in the Daughters of Khaine section of Order since the Grand Alliance book. Dark Riders are part of a two unit faction called the "Shadowblades"(It's them and the Assassins).
Just kinda puzzled by them showing the Dark Riders instead of Doomfires.
Very interesting rules. She is much less powerful than people thought. Wounds not only carry over but are doubled. So if she loses all six wounds as the Oracle she is just dead. She does not transform.
Well, I would imagine that the Shadowblades will be allies for the DoK, so maybe that's why? I do like how Morathi's transformation is handled. Damage taken in mortal form will carry over proportionally, so if she took 3 wounds in mortal form, she'll start at 6 wounds in demigod form.
On a side note, I hope we get WHQ rules for the Haq Queen and Slaughter Queen, too!
Very interesting rules. She is much less powerful than people thought. Wounds not only carry over but are doubled. So if she loses all six wounds as the Oracle she is just dead. She does not transform.
Seems kinda harsh, to me. Now I see why people would be tempted to change her right away.
Considering she can't lose more than 3 wounds per turn (except by transformation), it seems like a good way to keep her power level in line. I also notice that Witch Aelves and Sisters of Slaughter now have a 6+ save, and Witch Aelves can take a hornblower and shields now. I don't remember them having that option beforehand.
Ghaz wrote: I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...
Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).
Ghaz wrote: I was really hoping for at least a small drop in the price for the Witch Aelves, something like $50 for 10 models. At least it wasn't a price increase like Tzeentch had...
Well, you're in luck, they have been dropped in price by 1/3. They're the same price as an Ironjaw Megaboss now, which means they'll be $40 in the US (down from $60).
Hoping this is accurate. If not, I'll have to build the army through Blood Covens
Cant believe I forgot about them. For the record I'm hoping for crawling and slithering, not magic fish on flying stands.
METAL 
So if you build the altar, you can have the Khaine Statue has is own unit, and if you build the cauldron of blood, you can have the medusae (Or just build the Cauldron without the statue and from one kit you have the Cauldron of Blood, the Medusae, the Iron Avatar of Khaine, and the Witch Elf hero)
They were $60 for 10 models earlier this week.
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