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Okay. Counter rumor saying the Warscrolls for Death are fasaaaaaaaaaake

Managed to find myself another Blood Coven box. Gods, I'm so in. I'm so excited for this release and we don't even have any idea about the release date

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Don't know if it's true or not, but the above warscrolls are possibly fake.

I really hope so. Warqueen has just 5+ save and bravery lowest of all champions? All my what

 Irbis wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Don't know if it's true or not, but the above warscrolls are possibly fake.

I really hope so. Warqueen has just 5+ save and bravery lowest of all champions? All my what

I will bet that she has a higher bravery than the goblin. And is not like she has that much armour.

A 5+ save and a 6+ FNP seems about right for the gear she's equipped with, and 8 bravery is exactly the same as every other Mortal Chaos hero.

 Galas wrote:
And is not like she has that much armour.

Eh, having helmet, big metal shield, and vambraces would make her far better protected than Stormcast guy is, given his naked head and arms, and vastly better protected than the other two t-shirt clad clowns. Especially if she is supposed to be a 'duelist' type and actively use said shield/axe for defense (something Stormcast can't really do as parrying with hammer, especially so laughably big, is next to impossible). 3+ might be going too far but IMO she should have either 4+ or mechanism to dodge rend modifiers, at least.

She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+. A Stormcast Paladin has a 4+ save! Dwarf Thunderers and Warriors have a 5+! The ghost has that armour save because hes a ghost, it doesn't represent armour, it represent how hard he his to hit, thats why he ignores rend.
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman. The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
But they are saying this Warscrols are fake. So lets see.

 Imateria wrote:

Spoiler:

 Rinkydink wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:

1. Morathi (<-- GLORIOUS)

I'm really liking Morathi, could even be a conversion project for a female Archon for 40K

I'm thinking the same thing.

Looks promising, but I think some people will freak out soon. Think she is in lobster claw boots which is a very John Blanche touch.

Excited for this release as I was expecting just a new tome with no new models. Gorgon girls is a fun addition and matches old Dark Elf imagery. There were a couple banners with gorgons imagery in the 4th ed books I recall.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Wait those are Harpies? I thought they were just "because it's ultra-high fantasy now" Elves with wings. Yeah, not as appealing in that case

<Derping intensifies>

 Galas wrote:
She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+. A Stormcast Paladin has a 4+ save! Dwarf Thunderers and Warriors have a 5+! The ghost has that armour save because hes a ghost, it doesn't represent armour, it represent how hard he his to hit, thats why he ignores rend.
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman. The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.
But they are saying this Warscrols are fake. So lets see.

No one is saying Herald warscrolls are fake, they’re talking about the Death ones. Based on one angry dude posting on Facebook. It’s very unlikely that they actually are fake.

I was halfway through a reply about how, if they were fake, they were exceptionally well done, but actually there are some curiosities: for example, damage tables on the Maggotkin warscrolls use "Wounds allocated" instead of the old "Wounds suffered" terminology that appears on these. But, that said, elsewhere they do use the more precise style AoS has adopted since 40K dropped (like using " roll of n+" instead of "n or more" etc.). "SUMMONABLE" as a keyword also sounds kind of...I dunno...dorky too. I'd expect something a bit more thematic - THRALLS or ANIMATES or something, you know?

So in conclusion I don't know.

 EnTyme wrote:
8 bravery is exactly the same as every other Mortal Chaos hero.

And why, pray tell, a queen isn't allowed to have a better stat than any regular chaos mook?

And a save for that matter, too? Please give one good reason.

 Galas wrote:
She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+.

Oh yeah? Let's do a little comparison:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Slaughterpriest-with-Hackblade-and-Wrath-hammer

Completely naked guy, same save as her. Apparently his abs are as tough as steel or something.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Exhalted-Deathbringers

Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?

 Galas wrote:
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.

That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.

If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:

https://youtu.be/drd8dQKr-oY?t=42

 Galas wrote:
The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.

So, naked guy, no shield, no helmet, has same save. QED.

Wait, why you just completely demolished your own argument and not realized how silly everything you wrote before this line sounds?

EnTyme said she has the same bravery as Mortal Chaos heroes, not regular chaos mooks.

Arguing over the comparative defensive parameters of a steel bra and a six pack. Good stuff, good stuff.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Arguing over the comparative defensive parameters of a steel bra and a six pack. Good stuff, good stuff.

Clearly the six-pack provides better defensive parameters, feth straker has a 3+ save just for his deliciously oiled abs.

 Irbis wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
8 bravery is exactly the same as every other Mortal Chaos hero.

And why, pray tell, a queen isn't allowed to have a better stat than any regular chaos mook?

And a save for that matter, too? Please give one good reason.

 Galas wrote:
She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+.

Oh yeah? Let's do a little comparison:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Slaughterpriest-with-Hackblade-and-Wrath-hammer

Completely naked guy, same save as her. Apparently his abs are as tough as steel or something.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Exhalted-Deathbringers

Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?

 Galas wrote:
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.

That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.

If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:

https://youtu.be/drd8dQKr-oY?t=42

 Galas wrote:
The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.

So, naked guy, no shield, no helmet, has same save. QED.

Wait, why you just completely demolished your own argument and not realized how silly everything you wrote before this line sounds?

Personally I think she should have 5+ armor given what she is wearing. Look at stormcast covered in plate getting a 4+. Btw, the slaughterpriest DOES have only a 5+ save and 'completely naked' really isn't true. The 4+ save on exalted deathbringers is based off the initial model rather than the newer ones (but the newer ones should totally have more armor imo). I still think that as a model that's supposed to be a viable general she is too squishy, the runeshield should be a 5+ with the wound-bouncing; it would make her more durable and penalize enemies for attacking her more. And honestly a 4+ armor wouldn't help her much given how often character-sniping uses mortal wounds to do so.

Also, an arrow through the arm won't kill you, an arrow through the gut certainly will. Just throwing that out there.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Arguing over the comparative defensive parameters of a steel bra and a six pack. Good stuff, good stuff.

Clearly the six-pack provides better defensive parameters, feth straker has a 3+ save just for his deliciously oiled abs.

Like the model ever had anything to do with the armor save. What a stupid waste of time. If you have enough time to whine about THIS you should get a job hippie.

The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.

I’m really loving those Daughters Of Khaine, the winged harpy-looking one is pretty close to perfect. I appreciate the lack of boobplate - the raised ridge is a good compromise from a completely flat plate to a silly full boobplate.

 Verviedi wrote:
The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.

.

Indeed.


One wouldn't put too much store with regards to actual non magical examples and so forth.

It's just toy soldiers.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Spoiler:

 Irbis wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
8 bravery is exactly the same as every other Mortal Chaos hero.

And why, pray tell, a queen isn't allowed to have a better stat than any regular chaos mook?

And a save for that matter, too? Please give one good reason.

 Galas wrote:
She has a 6 FNP for his shield. You aren't familiar with AoS armour values if you believe she should have 4+.

Oh yeah? Let's do a little comparison:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Slaughterpriest-with-Hackblade-and-Wrath-hammer

Completely naked guy, same save as her. Apparently his abs are as tough as steel or something.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Exhalted-Deathbringers

Again, completely naked guy. 4+ save. There goes any argument you two had. Want more?

 Galas wrote:
And you can't say honestly that being naked but because she has an helmet and vambraces she is more protected that the guy in full plate armour just because he doesn't wear arm protection and a helmet. She isn't Wonder Woman.

That's not how fighting works. Ask any HEMA practitioner, he will tell you 90% of hits are received to extremities and having a protection of head, and arms, is vastly more important than dumb fancy breastplate, as having your arm sliced open will kill you faster than any possible hit at the body. Maybe in Wonder Woman it works differently, I don't know, but let's stick to real fights, not comics.

If you don't belive me, here, Matt Easton, actual expert on medieval fighting, says as first thing in the video analysis that helmet alone is more important/valuable than breastplate/pauldrons, Ordinator-style:

https://youtu.be/drd8dQKr-oY?t=42

 Galas wrote:
The Darkoath Chieftain has a 5+ armour save too.

So, naked guy, no shield, no helmet, has same save. QED.

Wait, why you just completely demolished your own argument and not realized how silly everything you wrote before this line sounds?

Personally I think she should have 5+ armor given what she is wearing. Look at stormcast covered in plate getting a 4+. Btw, the slaughterpriest DOES have only a 5+ save and 'completely naked' really isn't true. The 4+ save on exalted deathbringers is based off the initial model rather than the newer ones (but the newer ones should totally have more armor imo). I still think that as a model that's supposed to be a viable general she is too squishy, the runeshield should be a 5+ with the wound-bouncing; it would make her more durable and penalize enemies for attacking her more. And honestly a 4+ armor wouldn't help her much given how often character-sniping uses mortal wounds to do so.

Also, an arrow through the arm won't kill you, an arrow through the gut certainly will. Just throwing that out there.

 reds8n wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
The discussion about the armor is worthwhile and constructive (not this “whining” accusation that’s thrown around everywhere). There’s no need to be abusive.

.

Indeed.


One wouldn't put too much store with regards to actual non magical examples and so forth.

It's just toy soldiers.

But, mayhaps take it to a 'discussion' thread, instead?

Next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/28/next-weeks-pre-orders-death-coming-good-way/

Skullvane manse is back!!!!

From french forum:

- les 4 hérauts de Malign Portents (25€ chacun)



- Dés et Combat Gauge "Malign Portents" (respectivement 15€ et 8€)



- ressortie du mythique Warscryer (la tour Battle) pour 85€



- sortie du livre de campagne Malign Portents pour 20€ (règles, fluff, "présages", warscrolls, etc)



- Battletome Legions of Nagash (25€)



2 nouvelles SC le 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard

zamerion wrote:



2 nouvelles SC le 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard

Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?

No more info, sorry.

The Skullvane Manse is going to be very tempting. It would look really good looming over a few Gardens of Morr and spooky woods. Fingers crossed for the oop towers to make a comeback as well.

Lord Kragan wrote:

zamerion wrote:



2 nouvelles SC le 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard

Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?

No, here "nouvelles" means "new" SC, i.e. Start Collecting ! So we should get two Start collecting the 24th of February, Kharadrons Overlords and Stormcasts Vanguards !

That's really cool.

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I'm also super happy to have the MP book now (and Legions of Nagahs + the Knight of Shrouds + some "Death" dice)

Lord Kragan wrote:

zamerion wrote:



2 nouvelles SC le 24 février : Kharadrons et Stormcasts Vanguard

Wait, two novels? They don't appear in the black library site, any details?

nope, 2 new Start Collecting Boxes

zamerion wrote:
No more info, sorry.

Numiria on the Warfo answered you about your "next month" question ; apparently the WD announce an article titled "Blood omens"