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Post by: BrookM
Tiny tanks! So cute! 
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Reasonably priced, easy to assemble Thunderfire Cannon replacement. Space Marine players everywhere rejoice.
Or hold out for this:
They look good, it's cool to see Rapier variants, they're fun little weapon platforms.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The quilting on those shoulder/thigh pads is a bit sloppy,
I'd have expected them to get the size of the lozenges equal, must try harder in the future
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Post by: Looky Likey
I love Rapiers, walk them up the field spitting out death.
I hope they don't take too long to put the quad launcher rapier on sale by itself for Marines.
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Post by: Azazelx
Now they look nice. I really need to get some rapiers and thudd guns. One Day.
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Post by: Zuul
I must be the only one not so hot on the whole not-thunderfire quad mortars they are putting on the marine equipment. I like the thudd gun look more tbh. More cut and dry visual identification.
I think I might just get the SA one and lop off the dude curled up on the back.
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Post by: sierra 1247
Well im looking forward to getting the land raider Achilles with the quad mortar for my world eaters. I need the heavy support.
Also just got the solar auxilia Flamer squads. My God the quality is brilliant.
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Post by: Frankenberry
Y'know, I really want to like the Solar Auxilla guys but the suits they wear are so...I dunno, odd.
Which is a pretty silly reason not to like something in 30k/40k given some of the silly crap that already exists.
Like the min-tanks/mounted weapons though, would make for a decent set of thudd guns.
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Post by: BrookM
I'm using Victorian Guard for my regular Solar Auxilia Tercios, both cheaper and a great excuse to field them in blocks of twenty.
I do use FW's excellent Veletaris and Flamer auxiliaries, the casting quality is indeed bloody brilliant and the hoses are nowhere near a pain in the arse I feared them to be.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/reply/0/639757.page
Sunday 15th of March, 2015
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #51
As a hobbyist, I always get excited when I see new models nearing completion in the Forge World Studio, especially when I have the chance to show you what’s being released soon. This week I didn’t get my hands on just one awe-inspiring new model, but two! The first certainly looks like something new for the Space Marines, but the second is most definitely in thrall to the dark gods. Take a look…
Two new kits coming soon from the Forge World Studio.
A few weeks ago, I showed you a small part of Dimitrios Tampakoudis’ Ultramarines Legion – you can see them HERE. Since then, Dimitrios has added some armoured punch to his Legion. There’s a Spartan Assault Tank to speed his Terminators into battle, a Sicaran Battle Tank with its punishing Herakles pattern accelerator autocannon and a Leman Russ Incinerator that’s joining Dimitrios’ newly founded Solar Auxilia allies. It’s not only tanks though. Dimitrios has also added a unit of Legion Destroyers, a controversial choice for the Ultramarines perhaps, but in the dark days of the Horus Heresy needs must!
 
The latest additions to Dimitrios’ Legion.
Next week's bulletin will be coming from the USA! Forge World is heading to Adepticon 2015 in Chicago and I'll be there too. If you're going to Adepticon as well, make sure you stop by the Forge World stand. Keep your eyes out for a newsflash later this week for more on Adepticon 2015.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Post by: Darkseid
Lovely flyer; hope that one gets a set of 40k rules as well.
I also like, that FW gives some spotlight to other peoples painted armies. It's often quite inspiring.
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Post by: Looky Likey
The new flyer is suprisingly large and I'm expecting a similar load out to the Lightning, i.e., beast mode for 30k anti tank.
I'm still not sold on Samus's sculpt, but it'll shake up 30k with the addition of daemons to the traitor ranks.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I actually really like the Samus sculpt so far.
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Post by: Rygnan
Is the Herakles pattern accelerator autocannon new? It might be a hint at what's to come with the Ultramarines, especially given it's very Greek name
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Rygnan wrote:Is the Herakles pattern accelerator autocannon new? It might be a hint at what's to come with the Ultramarines, especially given it's very Greek name
Pretty sure the Sicaran has always had them.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Yeah, that's just the fluff name for the Sicaran's main weapon.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Really looking forward to seeing the rest of Samus' sculpt.
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
That flyer looks cool so far, and Samus is pretty awesome.
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Post by: ImAGeek
This is the flier completed btw, the Xiphon Interceptor:
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Post by: TheCustomLime
Kinda reminds me of a Z-95. I like it.
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Post by: Lord Blackscale
Yup. It's cool.
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Post by: Azreal13
A z-95?
Don't see it myself, I'd lean much more heavily towards..
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Post by: warboss
Agreed... the classic 70's colonial viper from BSG is what first came to mind when I saw it.
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Post by: kronk
I like the flier, but I'm waiting for Rogal Dorn and Sigismund!
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Post by: prplehippo
 warboss wrote:Agreed... the classic 70's colonial viper from BSG is what first came to mind when I saw it.
What? C'mon guys, we all know GW would never, ever take any inspiration from another source. All their ideas are though of in a vacuum, totally independent from the influences of other sources.
How dare you guys even suggest that.
/sarcasm
(Is there an /sarcasm emoticon?)
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Post by: Scrub
I like the flier but the pilot just looks incredibly daft, the guy's sat in a cockpit in his powered armour... why!?!
The shoulderpads stand out so much, along with his bulky torso.
It'd be awesome if Forgeworld actually provided a pilot that might keep the same aesthetic helmet design as a regular marine soldier guy but had a more practical, less bulky flight suit option. (There were some Tau ground crew and pilots available a few years back, if memory serves but more for diorama purposes I think.)
It's a nice model otherwise, I swear!
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Post by: warboss
 Scrub wrote:I like the flier but the pilot just looks incredibly daft, the guy's sat in a cockpit in his powered armour... why!?!
The shoulderpads stand out so much, along with his bulky torso.
It'd be awesome if Forgeworld actually provided a pilot that might keep the same aesthetic helmet design as a regular marine soldier guy but had a more practical, less bulky flight suit option. (There were some Tau ground crew and pilots available a few years back, if memory serves but more for diorama purposes I think.)
It's a nice model otherwise, I swear!
He's a space marine.. that's what they wear.  I don't think it is impractical as long as the vehicle is designed specifically for an 8ft power armored marine's frame. Drivers and crew for other astartes vehicles have always been modelled in power armor for as long as I've been playing (3rd edition with 2nd edition models). Rhino gunner? Power armor. Thunderhawk pilots? Power armor. Storm Raven pilot? Power armor. If it's an astartes, the rule is that the fig is in power armor of some sort (which includes terminators, centurions, etc) with scouts as the rare exception overall.
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Post by: Scrub
Yes, that much is true but they look just as daft in the Stormravens and whatever that smaller contraption is called, they look squeezed in as though the scaling for the bulk of the powered armour was an afterthought.
A door/hatch gunner in a relatively exposed position for an APC seems quite practical, in many ways.
Wearing said suit of armour for piloting a fast moving aircraft seems less so!
It's easily modified by sitting the guy lower in the cockpit and removing his ENORMOUS shoulderpads... (for flying, really? )
I am nitpicking though, as I quite like the aircraft itself. 
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Post by: Daemonslave
Unfortunately the head is the best part...
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Post by: Zuul
I could see a modified carapace armour being use for a marine flight suit. I'm sure the conversion wouldn't be too difficult. IIRC the land speeder storm has a possible donor.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Could just paint over the canopy too.
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Post by: tydrace
Thinking about throwing in these two ( OP's images) in my Chaos Renegade army. I've been using the Renegade conversion sets on Forgeworld for the troops so far. These look like warrior blacksmiths to me, so that works well for the guys handing the artillery.
Yay or nay?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Hmmmm... You're right, but I'll see how other angles make it look before deciding.
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Post by: akwing00
is there any possibility that Samus will have 40k rules?
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
I usually find a period to be sufficient.
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Post by: Haighus
 Platuan4th wrote:
Hmmmm...
You're right, but I'll see how other angles make it look before deciding.
Personally, I think the knife it is holding is awesome So jagged, looks like a lightning bolt.
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Post by: Peregrine
No newsletter yet, but the scyllax are up in "new stuff" and on the front page of the website: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SCYLLAX_GUARDIAN_AUTOMATA_COVENANT.html
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Post by: ImAGeek
They look alright, but they're very generic Mechanicum if you get me.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Armed with bolters, apparently. I can't see a single one on those models.
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Post by: beast_gts
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Armed with bolters, apparently. I can't see a single one on those models.
Neither can I, but they are in the parts photo (bottom right):
Perhaps they only added them after the demo models were painted?
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Post by: Looky Likey
H.B.M.C. wrote:Armed with bolters, apparently. I can't see a single one on those models.
I brought a unit of them at the weekender, you get a choice of arms and there are enough bolter arms to fit them all with bolters.
Not enough attacks for me, they should have a bonus attack for an extra close combat weapon, as most of what they are attacking will be Marines, Maelstrom doesn't look like generating enough extra attacks to help. That or AP3 weapons as AP5 goes nowhere in 30k, they'll have too many attacks miss at WS3 or be saved at AP5 against Marines to be worth using even against Bolter Marines.
The bolter is pretty awesome though with kraken bolts. I want another couple sets to round out the unit.
Edit: Parts photo from FW, you can see the bolters bottom right:
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Post by: Nicorex
How easy are the mechandrite arms to bend?
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Post by: Medium of Death
The slightly off centre belt buckles are a bit odd, also what's the significance of the star on the torso?
I like the helmets though.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Hmm... those IW skull helmets would be excellent for my currently headless Reclusiam Command chaplain.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Very, couple of second in hot water and a pencil to bend them over was enough for mine.
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Post by: e.earnshaw
Will those rules be in the next book tempest is it?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah I believe so.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
The U's on those Ultramarine pads look pretty amateurish to be honest, very fat and look bolted on.
Iron Warrior heads on the top and bottom rows look great, middle ones are fairly chaotic. Torsos are meh, particularly compared to the IF, SoH, WB and WE ones.
Scyllax look creepy and are surprisingly well painted for FW models.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Well, they're resin so a bit of heat/hot water should make them pretty bendy.
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Post by: Kosake
I guess a good thing about the scyllax is the fact that you can scratchbuild them with whatver mechanicum parts you have left over. Some variations in the design shouldn't be a problem with these guys.
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Post by: Snrub
I like those Scyllax. They're cute in a menacing sort of way.
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Post by: Bull0
Do we know what the next book is about?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yes, Ultramarines, Word Bearers and the battle of Calth.
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Post by: Bull0
 ImAGeek wrote:
Yes, Ultramarines, Word Bearers and the battle of Calth.
Holy gak! I'm all over that.
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Post by: ImAGeek
You and me both, I'm stupidly excited for it haha.
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Post by: Zuul
The Iron Warrior torsos are...fabulous? Not sure what else to call them. Either way they don't seem to speak to their established design language. 
The citadel upgrade kit seems like a better choice for once.
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Post by: Haighus
Yeah, I can't get my head around the IW torsos. The IW heads are great IMO, but the torsos, whilst looking good by themselves, don't seem to have anything that makes me think IW when I look at them. I was expecting something much more akin to the DG torsos (which I suspect many IW players will use instead). What is with the star? Some obscure reference the the events of Angel Exterminatus, or a hang-over of the original Terran Legion perhaps? It could be the latter, seeing as it it meant to be a MkII upgrade set.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I like the killer prawns but geeze can they possibly pile on more special snowflake rules?
Special movement, special melee weapons, special gun, radiation...
Would rending CC attacks and a storm bolter not be enough?
Expecially since all the special snowflake rules add up to little of value.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
That's pretty much the hallmark of FW's Mechanicum stuff: lots of special rules for everything and unique weapons all around.
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Post by: aka_mythos
You don't like potentially fearless troops with S6 AP2 attacks with 30" ap4 bolters?
I agree with you with all the special rules it really seems like FW is overcompensating and trying to make rules to really sell these guys. I honestly hope they just threw up these rules to work out what's unnecessary.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like the killer prawns but geeze can they possibly pile on more special snowflake rules?
So what you're saying is the more special rules there are the less special rules there are? 
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like the killer prawns but geeze can they possibly pile on more special snowflake rules?
Special movement, special melee weapons, special gun, radiation...
Would rending CC attacks and a storm bolter not be enough?
Expecially since all the special snowflake rules add up to little of value.
Rather a testament to the weakness of FW's ruleswriters' capabilities, really. Piling on meaningless special rules in a giant paragraph of absurd contrivance is a pretty elementary hurdle to stumble at, but I guess modern GW doesn't go for half-measures.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Holy crap you changed your avatar.
Yeah part of the reason I got the Limited Edition HH books is because of the cardstock reference sheets they came with. With so many not-so-special rules being piled on, having an easy reference that wasn't a 2000 page book is a good idea.
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Post by: Veteran Sergeant
ImAGeek wrote:
Yes, Ultramarines, Word Bearers and the battle of Calth.
Would have thought a Calth/Prospero combo would have been more efficient, but hey, dolla dolla bills ya'all. Maybe the Puppies and 1KSons models are behind schedule. You know, what with all the new dreadnoughts that need to be sculpted.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Veteran Sergeant wrote: ImAGeek wrote:
Yes, Ultramarines, Word Bearers and the battle of Calth.
Would have thought a Calth/Prospero combo would have been more efficient, but hey, dolla dolla bills ya'all. Maybe the Puppies and 1KSons models are behind schedule. You know, what with all the new dreadnoughts that need to be sculpted.
Prospero needs a book to itself, and I think Calth works as one book too. The Prospero book has the TS and SW, which are possibly the two most 'different' legions compared to the others ( TS certainly) and it also has the Sisters of Silence and Custodes, so I'd rather they took their time with it.
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Post by: Kosake
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like the killer prawns but geeze can they possibly pile on more special snowflake rules?
Special movement, special melee weapons, special gun, radiation...
Would rending CC attacks and a storm bolter not be enough?
Expecially since all the special snowflake rules add up to little of value.
Same's true for GW proper. Also, add a tons of random tables to better forge the narrative (of roling on random tables).
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Post by: e.earnshaw
So the next book calth or tempest i dont know what do we have date wise my lfgs manager told me some epic gak will happen in gw and fw this summer.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 e.earnshaw wrote:So the next book calth or tempest i dont know what do we have date wise my lfgs manager told me some epic gak will happen in gw and fw this summer.
Well, that's pretty true- we're already facing some (potentially) awesome plastic AdMech stuff next week, as well as the almost guaranteed revamp of WHFB, Adepta Sororitas, and Tzeentchy stuff. The latter of which seems pretty salty currently but then, a lot of people thought the plastic AdMech rumours were bull gak up to now lol.
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Post by: BrookM
Tempest is probably going to be released around the same time as the grand reopening of Warhammer World IIRC.
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Post by: Eldarain
Do we know if the Tempest book will include the events of Betrayer? I'd love an Argel Tal and ascended Angron.
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Post by: BrookM
That's the next book IIRC.
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Post by: Haighus
 Eldarain wrote:Do we know if the Tempest book will include the events of Betrayer? I'd love an Argel Tal and ascended Angron.
Hmmm, Argel Tal may well be in Book 5, but I think FW are planning a Calth part 2 detailing the Shadow Crusade and Underworld war, so ascended Angron would most likely be in that book.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Eldarain wrote:Do we know if the Tempest book will include the events of Betrayer? I'd love an Argel Tal and ascended Angron.
IIRC Tempest will cover Calth and the next book will cover the rest of the Ultramar campaign.
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Post by: Malika2
What's this?
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Post by: BrookM
Vindicator with a laser destroyer array. 
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Post by: Seneca
Judging by that one big Termie figure from todays bulletin, one of the Crimson Fists commanders is Daniel Craig
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Post by: Looky Likey
Its this:
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Post by: Kosake
From that close-up your really see how it's really just WIP. The gaps, the missing treads... they just slapped that one together at the last possible moment.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_52.html
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 52
Hello from Adepticon!
As ever, this year’s Adepticon has been fantastic - the biggest yet. It’s been more than busy and we’ve spent our time here talking to more hobbyists about more armies than ever before. The latest Event Exclusive models, Autilon Skorr of the Alpha Legion and Nârik Dreygur of the Iron Warriors, were massively popular of course, but star of the show has to go to the Scyllax Guardian-automata. I think we’re going to see more than one Mechanicum army formed around these fantastic models in time for Adepticon 2016!
The Forge World Sales Stand at Adepticon 2015.
The Warhammer 40,000 games hall in full swing.
It’s fantastic to see so many diverse armies on the table at Adepticon, and there were plenty of Forge World models on show, and not only on the battlefield. The standard of painting on display at Adepticon was fantastic. It makes me glad I wasn’t one of the judges of the Crystal Brush painting competition!
 
Expertly painted models from Adepticon’s painting competition and armies fresh from the battlefield
Before leaving for the USA, I did manage to catch a peek of something new from the Forge World Studio. This beast looks like it’s toting some seriously heavy fire power and will be a great addition to any Legion army in need of some tank-busting heavy support. Take a look…
The next addition to the Legiones Astartes heavy armaments.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Post by: Looky Likey
 Kosake wrote:From that close-up your really see how it's really just WIP. The gaps, the missing treads... they just slapped that one together at the last possible moment.
I'm sure I've seen that gun array on a different WIP before, something mechanicum, probably a Krios varient. If its a quad laser destroyer with four S9, AP1 ordnance shots its going to make short work of even Spartans.
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Post by: BrookM
It's a laser destroyer array:
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Post by: Looky Likey
That's only single shot if I remember? Pretty sure this will have way more shots.
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Post by: BrookM
Nope, it's the same weapon as mounted on a rapier.
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Post by: Looky Likey
What are you basing that on? Having seen the new vindicator in the flesh and owning a few of the laser rapiers I've seen how much bigger the new array is over the rapiers. Nobody would buy the Vindicator if it had the same amount of shots as a 55 point rapier.
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Post by: Ashiraya
It's like the Predator Autocannon all over again.
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Post by: BrookM
 Looky Likey wrote:What are you basing that on? Having seen the new vindicator in the flesh and owning a few of the laser rapiers I've seen how much bigger the new array is over the rapiers. Nobody would buy the Vindicator if it had the same amount of shots as a 55 point rapier.
I've seen the army list entry.
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Post by: Looky Likey
Just looked it up, damn that's a poor decision on FW's part, I can get three rapiers for the same points as one laser destroyer vindicator with armoured ceramite and aux drive.
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Post by: kronk
The picture doesn't do this mini justice. Also, it's about 10" tall and looks like James Bond.
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Post by: TiamatRoar
Hunh.. *looks at those FW Bulletin pictures* I wonder if there were any non-employee female attendee at all at Adepticon.
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Post by: kronk
TiamatRoar wrote:Hunh.. *looks at those FW Bulletin pictures* I wonder if there were any non-employee female attendee at all at Adepticon.
I saw a number of them, including Mrs. Kronkington III. It was probably 90-95% dudes, though.
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Post by: SpyderG6
 kronk wrote:
The picture doesn't do this mini justice. Also, it's about 10" tall and looks like James Bond.
Why did you have to point that out. Now all I see is Bond!
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Post by: e.earnshaw
I personaly am digging that vindicator my long away hh iron warriors await
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Post by: Peregrine
Or the Destroyer ( LRBT variant), which has the same stats as the infantry Rapier with only a small range increase despite being a massive tank gun instead of a set of infantry lascannons glued together. FW make nice models, but sometimes you have to wonder how their rule authors can be so clueless.
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Post by: Azreal13
SpyderG6 wrote: kronk wrote:
The picture doesn't do this mini justice. Also, it's about 10" tall and looks like James Bond.
Why did you have to point that out. Now all I see is Bond!
If I point out it also shares an uncanny resemblance to Vladimir Putin simultaneously, does that help?
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Post by: Ashiraya
I just got my Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak, and I can tell you guys this much: They are amazing.
The Gal Vorbak are huge! I feared the massive amount of work that upscaling them to match my army would involve, but they are already just as large if not larger!
FW makes not only upscaled Possessed, but rules to match. I am pleased.
If they continue like this, great things will happen.
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Post by: Guildsman
 Ashiraya wrote:I just got my Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak, and I can tell you guys this much: They are amazing.
The Gal Vorbak are huge! I feared the massive amount of work that upscaling them to match my army would involve, but they are already just as large if not larger!
FW makes not only upscaled Possessed, but rules to match. I am pleased.
If they continue like this, great things will happen.
Ooh, that is exciting news. I'm looking to get a set for just this purpose.
What's the casting quality like these days? I'm planning on placing an order for some Heresy stuff, but I'd reconsider if the casts will be as much of a mess as some I've gotten in the past.
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Post by: warboss
Ashiraya wrote:I just got my Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak, and I can tell you guys this much: They are amazing.
The Gal Vorbak are huge! I feared the massive amount of work that upscaling them to match my army would involve, but they are already just as large if not larger!
FW makes not only upscaled Possessed, but rules to match. I am pleased.
If they continue like this, great things will happen.
Yeah, I don't have any currently but I do plan on getting them eventually as a truescale chaos counter to my truescale deathwatch team for RPG purposes. They're definitely big! From some google comparison pics I saw a while back, they're midway between a primarch and a terminator converted truescale guy.
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Post by: Ashiraya
I assembled the Dark Martyr first. I am squeeing like a schoolgirl. My GW Possessed models look like utter insults compared to these guys. I do not think I will be able to justify fielding them after having built the Gal Vorbak. Guildsman wrote:
Ooh, that is exciting news. I'm looking to get a set for just this purpose.
What's the casting quality like these days? I'm planning on placing an order for some Heresy stuff, but I'd reconsider if the casts will be as much of a mess as some I've gotten in the past.
Thus far they are excellent. No flaws that require hot water or green stuff to fix. Some flashing, some mould lines, but all of it is easy to spot and easy to fix. warboss wrote:
Yeah, I don't have any currently but I do plan on getting them eventually as a truescale chaos counter to my truescale deathwatch team for RPG purposes. They're definitely big! From some google comparison pics I saw a while back, they're midway between a primarch and a terminator converted truescale guy.
They are not as big as truescaled Terminators, or maybe about that size, but they are far from being Primarch sized. If by 'truescale' Terminator you mean approximately one where you have made the legs 2 mm longer and the torso 1,5 mm longer, both via plasticard, that is. That is what I did with mine.
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Post by: warboss
Ashiraya wrote:
warboss wrote:
Yeah, I don't have any currently but I do plan on getting them eventually as a truescale chaos counter to my truescale deathwatch team for RPG purposes. They're definitely big! From some google comparison pics I saw a while back, they're midway between a primarch and a terminator converted truescale guy.
They are not as big as truescaled Terminators, or maybe about that size, but they are far from being Primarch sized.
If by 'truescale' Terminator you mean approximately one where you have made the legs 2 mm longer and the torso 1,5 mm longer, both via plasticard, that is. That is what I did with mine.
One of the common ways of making truescale models is to use terminator bits to bulk up a regular marine to truescale instead of just cutting the normal PA kits and inserting plasticard spacers. You use the terminator arms, legs, and front chest modified slightly along with the back part of tactical plus the backpack.
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Post by: BrookM
 Guildsman wrote:
What's the casting quality like these days? I'm planning on placing an order for some Heresy stuff, but I'd reconsider if the casts will be as much of a mess as some I've gotten in the past.
It has improved massively over time, it's nothing like the gak they used to shovel just a few years ago.
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Post by: Ashiraya
warboss wrote: Ashiraya wrote:
warboss wrote:
Yeah, I don't have any currently but I do plan on getting them eventually as a truescale chaos counter to my truescale deathwatch team for RPG purposes. They're definitely big! From some google comparison pics I saw a while back, they're midway between a primarch and a terminator converted truescale guy.
They are not as big as truescaled Terminators, or maybe about that size, but they are far from being Primarch sized.
If by 'truescale' Terminator you mean approximately one where you have made the legs 2 mm longer and the torso 1,5 mm longer, both via plasticard, that is. That is what I did with mine.
One of the common ways of making truescale models is to use terminator bits to bulk up a regular marine to truescale instead of just cutting the normal PA kits and inserting plasticard spacers. You use the terminator arms, legs, and front chest modified slightly along with the back part of tactical plus the backpack.
Eh, they still have gorilla arms. I prefer spacers.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
But Marine models are true scale. It's the human models that are too big.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
H.B.M.C. wrote:But Marine models are true scale. It's the human models that are too big.
And I would bet cash money that was a conscious choice around the dawn of 3rd edition.
The Empire figures from that time were tiny compared to marines but Catachans were nearly the same size so their bitz were compatible for all sorts of conversions. Which also fits their fluff as heavy-G worlders and the toughest of the tough.
Then the Cadians and everyone else were made the same size...
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Post by: Yodhrin
H.B.M.C. wrote:But Marine models are true scale. It's the human models that are too big.
Well, assuming you're making this point seriously and not taking the piss out of people who do, A; no they're not, even if we accepted they were the right height they are still not correct in terms of proportions, and B; practically speaking whether it was intended Marines be the right size and they botched it later by making normal human infantry too large or not simply doesn't matter - I can make a Marine bigger(and fix its proportions at the same time), I can't make a Cadian smaller without making it look even more ridiculous.
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Post by: Warhams-77
Posted by Borroleth on Gw-Fanworld today. From the upcoming WD
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Post by: BrookM
Well, that's nothing new, quite disappointing, but cheers for posting.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I don't remember the last time a WD has had FW news before FW posted it themselves online.
You know, where everyone can see it and get excited.
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Post by: e.earnshaw
So what can we expect from fw to keep interest in 30k mech from the old fw thread we still had that massive ordinartus iirc and a thanatar varient.
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Post by: Ashiraya
Ashiraya wrote:I just got my Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak, and I can tell you guys this much: They are amazing. The Gal Vorbak are huge! I feared the massive amount of work that upscaling them to match my army would involve, but they are already just as large if not larger! FW makes not only upscaled Possessed, but rules to match. I am pleased. If they continue like this, great things will happen.
I have fully assembled them now, and they are awaiting undercoating. They really are amazing. The straight legs of the Mhara Gal makes it look a little stiff, but otherwise they are all superb. Can definitely recommend - they are in a whole different league to GW stuff.
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Post by: Peregrine
And the interceptor: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/XIPHON_INTERCEPTOR.html
Too bad we don't get any rules for it yet.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Usually that means the relevant book will be coming out in short order.
Dynat's a boss though.
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Post by: Necroagogo
@ Peregrine: experimental rules for the interceptor are in the link you supplied.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
 Necroagogo wrote:@ Peregrine: experimental rules for the interceptor are in the link you supplied.
They weren't when he linked it, that paragraph is new.
Someone dun guffed when they uploaded the page, I think.
interesting rules; high firepower, ideal for killing other fliers and ground vehicles but very fragile with a commensurate points cost. Fills a niche, isn't underpriced and looks decent. Fliers aren't as much a thing in 30k broadly speaking, but for a 40k army it'd be a pretty solid addition to a Marine force; not being mono-purpose like a Stalker/Hunter and won't fall out of the sky to small arms as readily as the Storm Potato. It's not even a Relic of the Armoury.
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Post by: Crazyterran
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/X/Xiphon_40K.pdf
Very fragile, but has a lot of ability to make things go boom.
It's like a less sturdy, more wave serpent hating version of a vendetta. Well, and more expensive.
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Post by: Daston
Flier looks nice but a bit steep in the £££ may grab one at some point but prefer the looks of the storm eagle
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Post by: Young_Logan
What I want to know is where the missiles actually go. They are on the parts photo and in the rules but there is no photo of the underside if the interceptor, really hope the don't go on the wings
Edit: it goes underneath, you can just about see it sat in the middle of the fuselage
Young Logan
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Post by: Snrub
You can see the missiles here. On the underside just in front of the flight stand.
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Post by: Alairan
Man, just flip the wings around and you have a pretty darn good Galactica Viper lookalike. I love it.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
Man, that dreadnought is ugly.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Interceptor is pretty cool. But it's continuing the annoying trend of both GW and FW to strap more and more weapons on smaller and smaller models. We have Dreadnoughts and 2 HP flyers outgunning Land Raiders now on a regular basis, and that's stupid.
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Post by: Fifty
So, do we think the BSG franchise is likely to sue GW for intellectual property theft of some sort, seeing as they have blatantly copied the mkII Colonial Viper?
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Post by: Alpharius
That Alpha Legion character is nice but...
£31.00 nice?
Ouch!
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Post by: Nevelon
The flyer looks cool, and the rules are probably balanced for it’s points. It’s over 200 points for a 2HP av11 flyer. It is such an eggshell armed with sledgehammers though. The multi-missile death launcher does seem a little over the top. I’m not a fan of “perfect” weapons, and it seems to be one. It blows things up real good.
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Post by: alphaecho
 Fifty wrote:So, do we think the BSG franchise is likely to sue GW for intellectual property theft of some sort, seeing as they have blatantly copied the mkII Colonial Viper?
How could they?
GW lost most of the claims therefore being inspired by somebody else's IP can't be theft.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Eh. All the characters are that price. And it's nicer than some.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Fifty wrote:So, do we think the BSG franchise is likely to sue GW for intellectual property theft of some sort, seeing as they have blatantly copied the mkII Colonial Viper?
Well, for starters, they haven't. Secondly, I doubt they'd care.
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Post by: zedmeister
That Harrowmaster... Sold! He'll go nicely in my Alpha Legion force as a generic Praetor and as himself.
Lovely model
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Post by: kronk
The flier looks meh, but better than some other fliers.
The Alpha Legion dude is a winner.
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Post by: Alpharius
$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Alpharius wrote:$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
Again though, they all have been since the heresy stuff started, like 3 years ago nearly.
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Post by: kronk
Alpharius wrote:$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
I hear ya.
I did just drop that on ALEXIS POLUX 405TH CAPTAIN OF THE IMPERIAL FISTS at Adpeticon last weekend.
*Stuffs hands in pockets and kicks a rock*
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Post by: gorgon
 Alairan wrote:Man, just flip the wings around and you have a pretty darn good Galactica Viper lookalike. I love it.
If I get one for my World Eaters, I have every excuse to paint it up in a white scheme with some red stripes (with a touch of blue here or there). 
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Post by: Haighus
 lord_blackfang wrote:Interceptor is pretty cool. But it's continuing the annoying trend of both GW and FW to strap more and more weapons on smaller and smaller models. We have Dreadnoughts and 2 HP flyers outgunning Land Raiders now on a regular basis, and that's stupid.
Seems to be a pretty common real-life trend for fighters/fighter-bombers to outgun contemporary armoured vehicles, especially when missile systems are involved. The capabilities of a Tornado armed with Brimstone missiles compared to a Challenger II, or a Spitfire compared to a Matilda I illustrate this I think. There is only one Dreadnought variant that outguns a standard Land Raider, and that is intended as a fire support unit, which the Land Raider is not.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alpharius wrote:$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
Yeah, but it's an Alpha Legion model. You know you want it.
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Post by: warboss
kronk wrote: Alpharius wrote:$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
I hear ya.
I did just drop that on ALEXIS POLUX 405TH CAPTAIN OF THE IMPERIAL FISTS at Adpeticon last weekend.
*Stuffs hands in pockets and kicks a rock*
Since they started on the HH, it seems FW values the sculpting and casting of the decorative and unnecessary base as much as the figure itself. I can't imagine how something like Inquisitor Rex would be costed if made in the HH style on some 60mm decorative base of dead Vraks heretics.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
For gaks and Giggles, could you use that Flesh Tearers detachment that has 6 FA slots and run 6 Xiphon Interceptors in those slots? Yes, they will be fragile, but you will wreck face.
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Post by: Kosake
40 € for a single space marine miniature? Yeah, nice try. However nice the model is, that's just a sick joke.
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Post by: Alpharius
H.B.M.C. wrote: Alpharius wrote:$46 for a single character model...
It truly is a sign of the Endtimes!
Yeah, but it's an Alpha Legion model. You know you want it.
Well...
But...
...
...yes, of course I do!
It would be simple enough to convert him up though...maybe...
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Post by: kronk
Kosake wrote:40 € for a single space marine miniature? Yeah, nice try. However nice the model is, that's just a sick joke.
It's 31 British Pound Moneys. I don't know what that is in Euros. I'm not defending FW at all, mind you. I think they are a bit steep. But these prices are what they are charging for the non-Primarch single models in the HH Character Series. Linkage to HH Character Series
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Post by: Daston
Plus its more of a collector piece look at some of the marvel, DC or star wars figures/models and then revise your thoughts. Hell I was lookingbat a 1:36 scale model of a Mazda rx7 (like the one I own) and that was £189
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Post by: MajorStoffer
And they're only ~$10 more than the GW plastic characters.
If you're already paying a lot, may as well get something that doesn't look like hot garbage.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
And the cost includes that ginormous scenic base. Which does kinda suck if you don't like the base. For example, I really want to put Fulgrim on Horus's base.
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Daston wrote:Plus its more of a collector piece look at some of the marvel, DC or star wars figures/models and then revise your thoughts. Hell I was lookingbat a 1:36 scale model of a Mazda rx7 (like the one I own) and that was £189
I had a marketing professor in college that said "If you have a customers heart and their mind you have their wallet". I cant get that quote out of my head when the price of models comes up. I bought Alexis Pollux and never even bothered do the conversion to see how much it was in USD. I think GW/ FW has us all on this one and only more recently are they losing our "minds" by some of the price increases / quality issues / ect...
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Post by: e.earnshaw
I hope that 2hp gets retconned because yes you could argue fire power over armour but this is space marines tone the weapons down add av and hp.
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Post by: Rippy
I love the look of that flier, and such a reasonable price for a FW flier!!! Experiemental 40k rules don't seem bad, can do alot of damage the turn it comes on at least.
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Post by: Theophony
The missile pod reminds me of the old style whirlwind launcher.
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Post by: SirDonlad
I really like the xiphon. It's points match its dakka imho.
Compared to the storm eagle it's a bit weak, but i think it may be all about agility and targeting than weathering a hail of fire; the 'agile' and 'terminal tracking' rules bumping your jink and dropping theirs reinforces the notion that it is an interceptor designed for dodging incoming fire, not a toughened drop-ship designed to take the hits while on mission.
I don't think FW is expecting it to come up against a skyfire weapon which ignores cover. Or waveserpents.
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Post by: Zuul
Crayola approved!
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Wowzer, not sure what to think of the Xiphon. It looks like they took a Mk2 Viper and a Lambda-class Imperial shuttle, mashed them together and turned it in to a baby's toy.
At first glance I don't like it because it just looks like a dumbed down version of the Mk2 and the shuttle, but maybe it'll grow on me.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
They added an underside pic for the flier.
I predict balance issues for the model. The base peg is at one far end of the model.
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Post by: BrookM
I think that's why they mounted it on a peg facing the other way.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The flight stand is pretty flexible... I think the Tau flyers go on backwards, too. But still... unnecessary stress on the model and the stand/base glue join.
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Post by: BrookM
Worst case scenario you can always run a pin through the stand and the flyer, not super ideal, but it's something I suppose.
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Post by: Rippy
Yeah it does look pretty far back, but also has looked pretty stable in everything we have seen so far (including the video seen during FW weekender)
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Post by: BrookM
It does look deeper than the one on their Vulture, which I had to pin to the stand, lest it toppled off.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
A wing of those things will look excellent as an escort to my Fire Raptor, or just on their own. I'm a crazy aircraft lover, so I'll probably get one or two. Shame about the (as usual) total lack of lifting edge on the wings or any kind of flight control surface, but that can be fixed.
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Post by: sonofruss
Looks like they are following the Stormfang Stormwolf pattern for landing gear. Rather than the guppy 
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Post by: inqscott
Yes, I will need at least 2 to escort my salas thunder hawk. Now I will have to download flight of the Valkyries so to play when I place them on the table
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Post by: e.earnshaw
I wish the fw blog had a regular date like the gw one instead of it being random beacuse i keep checking it and nothings changed.
on to somthing more interesting the plastic hours heresy that might be coming will you be able to buy resin sholder padsin store with them or plastec upgrade packs do you think?
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Post by: Harriticus
FW sure can build a better aircraft than GW. This actually looks like a serious fighter aircraft and not a lego joke
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Post by: ImAGeek
e.earnshaw wrote:I wish the fw blog had a regular date like the gw one instead of it being random beacuse i keep checking it and nothings changed.
on to somthing more interesting the plastic hours heresy that might be coming will you be able to buy resin sholder padsin store with them or plastec upgrade packs do you think?
The FW blog updates every Monday.
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Post by: Breotan
I've been burned by large SM fliers from FW to care about this one. I'll let this thing be someone else's nightmare to put together.
Edit: Why does Dynat look like Picard in SM armor?
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_53.html
FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #53
Every time I walk through the Forge World Studio I see something new, whether it's models being worked on or freshly painted units being added to the armies people have on display on their desks. It makes it difficult to make it back to my own desk without stopping to take a look at something, but I’m not going to complain! This week, I was distracted by this strikingly imperious model. The details on his armour and cloak are fantastic but, for me, the stern expression on his face is what makes me want him in my army.
A new model from the Forge World Studio nearly ready for production.
Since they were released at the Horus Heresy Weekender earlier this year, the two Horus Heresy Event Exclusive models have been in high demand. The current favourite in the Forge World Studio is Nârik Dreygur, Consul-Praevian of the Iron Warriors. With the Consul-Praevian’s ability to take Castellax or Vorax Battle-automata as part of his unit, we’re seeing him appear in plenty of Legions, but there’s no reason to use him only for the Iron Warriors. For example, Paul Rudge has used the model as a Consul-Praevian in his Death Guard Legion and Andy Hoare has fitted him neatly into his Emperor’s Children army.
Andy has taken three Castellax with his Consul...
whilst Paul’s gone the whole hog with five!
You can download Nârik Dreygur’s rules, which also include the rules for using a Consul-Praevian in any Legion, HERE. If you want to pick up the model for yourself, check out our Events page for Forge World's upcoming events. The next UK event we're attending will be Salute in London on Saturday 25th April.
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.
Chris.
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Post by: BrookM
Hello Lord Marshal!
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Post by: Rippy
Amazing. what a breath taking sculpt. That makes me so happy!!
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Post by: angelofvengeance
He'd make an excellent Imperial Guard HQ model.
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Post by: tommse
Wow. Is that gonna be a regular release? I want him!
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Post by: BrookM
Chances are he'll be part of the command squad, so a six mini buy.
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Post by: Malika2
 BrookM wrote:Chances are he'll be part of the command squad, so a six mini buy.
Check the fellow in the background...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Pretty sure we've seen these guys before, if not as works in progress at an event then in slides during a presentation. He comes with a command squad. You can see the banner bearer in the background.
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Post by: BrookM
I know, standard bearer standing there. I just got a feeling he won't be sold on his own, despite being a HQ choice in his own right, but as a part of the maximus bling tactical command squad which included the Strategos with all the telescopes, a nuncio vox, standard bearer and two veterans. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Pretty sure we've seen these guys before, if not as works in progress at an event then in slides during a presentation. He comes with a command squad. You can see the banner bearer in the background.
This isn't the Strategos though, this is a Legate Commander or Lord Marshal, seeing as he's toting an Archeotech pistol, an option not available to the command squad.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Could've sworn we'd seen pics...
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Post by: BrookM
Yeah, I've seen blurry ones from the FW weekender and there was a digital sculpt of the Lord Marshal on display as well.
ACHTUNG EDIT:
Lord Marshal
Strategos
Standard Bearer
Nuncio Vox
The whole load plus two veterans
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ah-hah! Slides in a presentation and a WIP showing! I was doubly right!
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Welp, guess Solar Auxilia are going to be my primary 30k force.
I'll certainly add a big marine allied force, but that range has just tickled all my "Dude, you need more guard" urges.
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Post by: RedFox
too bad he won't be sold seperately, he could have made a nice inquisitor model
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Post by: ImAGeek
 RedFox wrote:too bad he won't be sold seperately, he could have made a nice inquisitor model
On the positive side, the other models would make a nice inquisitorial retinue?
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Post by: RedFox
ImAGeek wrote: RedFox wrote:too bad he won't be sold seperately, he could have made a nice inquisitor model
On the positive side, the other models would make a nice inquisitorial retinue?
I guess, not sure how you would convert the stratego though
still, scions makes the best inquisitorial acolytes
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Post by: ImAGeek
RedFox wrote: ImAGeek wrote: RedFox wrote:too bad he won't be sold seperately, he could have made a nice inquisitor model
On the positive side, the other models would make a nice inquisitorial retinue?
I guess, not sure how you would convert the stratego though
still, scions makes the best inquisitorial acolytes
Mm. Maybe a better Rogue Trader and retinue on second thoughts.
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Post by: BrookM
That's what I'm doing with my Solar Auxilia list.
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Post by: Rippy
ImAGeek wrote: RedFox wrote: ImAGeek wrote: RedFox wrote:too bad he won't be sold seperately, he could have made a nice inquisitor model
On the positive side, the other models would make a nice inquisitorial retinue?
I guess, not sure how you would convert the stratego though
still, scions makes the best inquisitorial acolytes
Mm. Maybe a better Rogue Trader and retinue on second thoughts.
That was my thinking also.
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Post by: Yodhrin
I wanted to use him as a Rogue Trader in INQ28 first, stop stealing all my ideas!
Seriously though, I'm even more impressed with the actual model; based on the render I was going to swap the head, but sod that, it's too good to mess with.
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Post by: Rippy
 Yodhrin wrote:I wanted to use him as a Rogue Trader in INQ28 first, stop stealing all my ideas!
Seriously though, I'm even more impressed with the actual model; based on the render I was going to swap the head, but sod that, it's too good to mess with.
His head is what makes him so perfect IMO, it is a really good sculpt.
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Post by: e.earnshaw
Oh the temptation solat auxila look so good but i must restrain my burning walet for the mechanicum im letting my self buy.
On the subject of mech are there any rumors on a red book for them?
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Post by: Koppo
e.earnshaw wrote:Oh the temptation solat auxila look so good but i must restrain my burning walet for the mechanicum im letting my self buy.
On the subject of mech are there any rumors on a red book for them?
Yes, there will be a red book but only after the dark mechanicum are done.
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Post by: deadairis
I'm really pleased how AM the Solar Auxilia look, now that we're seeing 40k AM and they look like the SA. SA always looked pretty Mars-ish to me with all their cogs and gears and primitive void gear. I think this guy will help seal it. Easy to green stuff a few cyber bits on him.
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Post by: grendel083
Forget the Heresey stuff, where's Raid on Kastorel-Novem?
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Post by: Rygnan
Anyone know if the titan giveaway was actually real and not an April fools joke?
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Post by: Zuul
Rygnan wrote:Anyone know if the titan giveaway was actually real and not an April fools joke?
Oh lordy, that would be one heck of a set up.
I doubt it was a joke in all seriousness. We should hear within the week that I won it.
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Post by: BrookM
They sent out the email to the winner yesterday, so pretty soon I suppose.
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Post by: Haighus
BrookM wrote:They sent out the email to the winner yesterday, so pretty soon I suppose.
:( then that means it isn't me...
Ah well, maybe next year
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Post by: Theophony
BrookM wrote:They sent out the email to the winner yesterday, so pretty soon I suppose.
Checked my spam folder since that's where all the forgeworld stuff goes so I don't get the countdown emails of only 750 left, 745 left etc. looks like I didn't win, but 'Mr. Warren Buffet has gifted you five million dollars' so  it I'll buy one or two.
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Post by: Ratius
IA8 and IA11 are both no longer up on FW. Possible 2nd edition updates incoming?
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Post by: BrookM
Let's hope so, I'm in need of an updated drop trooper army list.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm having a heck of a time finding out where in the world the rules for the Vulture Gunship are.
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Post by: BrookM
Imperial Armour aeronautica has the most up to date I suppose.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Did Aeronautica come out before or after Anphelion v. 2?
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Before, but the Anphelion Vulture is probably more expensive because it has BS4 IIRC.
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Post by: Kanluwen
True, true...
I'm just trying to figure out what books I need to update for my Guard now. Since y'know, IA1 no longer has the Vulture in it...
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Post by: BrookM
I'm hoping IA8 will have an updated drop troop list now, it's been almost a year since the updated codex hit and they still haven't seen fit to update it.
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Post by: warboss
BrookM wrote:I'm hoping IA8 will have an updated drop troop list now, it's been almost a year since the updated codex hit and they still haven't seen fit to update it.
Did the Taros 2nd edition hit after or before the IG codex?
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warboss wrote: BrookM wrote:I'm hoping IA8 will have an updated drop troop list now, it's been almost a year since the updated codex hit and they still haven't seen fit to update it.
Did the Taros 2nd edition hit after or before the IG codex?
Before, only the DKoK Siege Regiment in Vraks 2.0 is "current."
D-99, Elysian Drop Troops and DKoK Assault Brigade are both outdated, though judging the by the DK book, the changes wouldn't amount to more than some points adjustments, tweaks to units which badly under perform and an alternate FoC, but keep silly-overpriced basic infantry.
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Post by: BrookM
D-99 has been updated with Anphelion 2.0, but it's not an optimal list to work with.
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
It still baffles me that Forge World's product pages don't have a "the latest rules for this model can be found...", with a link. Surely it would only help sales?
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Post by: warboss
 MajorStoffer wrote: warboss wrote: BrookM wrote:I'm hoping IA8 will have an updated drop troop list now, it's been almost a year since the updated codex hit and they still haven't seen fit to update it.
Did the Taros 2nd edition hit after or before the IG codex?
Before, only the DKoK Siege Regiment in Vraks 2.0 is "current."
D-99, Elysian Drop Troops and DKoK Assault Brigade are both outdated, though judging the by the DK book, the changes wouldn't amount to more than some points adjustments, tweaks to units which badly under perform and an alternate FoC, but keep silly-overpriced basic infantry.
Ah, thanks. I was hoping that would help but no luck there. I know the general rule is that the left hand ( FW) doesn't know what the right hand ( GW) is doing but the first Taros book was actually an exception to that. It had the upcoming tau empire codex rules, stats, and point costs from the new book a few months before it came out. I was thinking that with the rapid fire codex releases we've seen for 2 years that GW did the same here and gave FW the prototype IG rules for the 2nd edition. Automatically Appended Next Post: BrookM wrote:D-99 has been updated with Anphelion 2.0, but it's not an optimal list to work with.
Sorry in that case...
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Post by: Peregrine
 Kanluwen wrote:I'm just trying to figure out what books I need to update for my Guard now. Since y'know, IA1 no longer has the Vulture in it...
The IA:Aeronautica rules (technically the most recent for codex IG) are exactly identical to the rules in the ABG list IA1, except for the 0-1 limit and ability to take them in squadrons. And thanks to the idiotic "faction" rule in 7th you can take the ABG unit (along with any other ABG units you want: LRBTs as troops, HQ tanks, etc) in a codex army because they're both from the IG faction.
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Post by: Rippy
3rd of April release - Realm of Battle: Imperial Primus Redoubt
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Lol- for when you really want someone to GTFO your turf... have a turbolaser battery!
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Post by: Peregrine
Sigh. I was really trying not to spend any more money on 40k right now...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Question is, can that Turbo-Laser be mounted on anything else, like say a Reaver's carapace?
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Post by: Peregrine
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Question is, can that Turbo-Laser be mounted on anything else, like say a Reaver's carapace?
Probably. If the gun barrels are the same as the equivalent Warhound weapon then it should be about the right size, and making an adapter for the mounting point should be pretty easy even if it doesn't fit as-is. IIRC people have been using Warhound guns for the Reaver's carapace mount and it's a simple conversion. But I'll let you buy the first titan + gun pair to find out.
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Post by: Rippy
 Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
IIRC they said at the weekender that it is a Reaver weapon, it fits both.
They also said these sort of tiles don't continue to happen unless this one sells well. General rule of commerce, I know, but it seems they went out of their way to make it known, suggests to me that someone in the studio has plans but needs to show there's a large enough market before being given the green light to crack on.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
 Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Me too, but I'm more hoping for Angron with just Gorefather and Gorechild put together into the giant glave
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Post by: Rippy
 TyraelVladinhurst wrote: Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Me too, but I'm more hoping for Angron with just Gorefather and Gorechild put together into the giant glave
I would be happy with that also
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Post by: ImAGeek
Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Daemon Angron should be in book 6, I thjnk they said at the weekender.
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Post by: Rippy
ImAGeek wrote: Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Daemon Angron should be in book 6, I thjnk they said at the weekender.
Any word on when book 6 is set to drop?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Rippy wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Daemon Angron should be in book 6, I thjnk they said at the weekender.
Any word on when book 6 is set to drop?
Well book 5 should be next month so I guess 6 months ish after that? (Pretty sure they're 2 a year).
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Post by: Ratius
Sigh. I was really trying not to spend any more money on 40k right now...
QFT brother, its a delicious terrain piece. And just begging to be Orkified too 
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Abaddon and Loken have got the same but numbered 2. May have been something the started with but didn't run with and just never bothered to remove. Automatically Appended Next Post: Rippy wrote: ImAGeek wrote: Rippy wrote: Peregrine wrote:
It's a new label, but not a particularly interesting one. They've been using the "character series" label for a long time and Angron was the first one they released. So I guess they're just making the numbering explicit now.
Angron seems to be the only one with it. Speculation here, but hopefully that means series two Angron (Deamon Angron) is on the way.
Daemon Angron should be in book 6, I thjnk they said at the weekender.
Any word on when book 6 is set to drop?
They'll probably try and get it out for pre-release at Warhammer fest (if they're doing that this year) then go on general release within a week or two.
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Thanks gianlucafiorentini123
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Haven't seen this posted on here, but just saw over on Bolter and Chainsword that FW have stopped producing the Lucius warhound.
Well, spoke to fw, as of 2 weeks ago they have officially stopped producing and selling the lucius.
On account of the Mars selling on a ratio of 8:1 lucius.
As they now have more limited storage room (there's been a lot of new things out last 2 years) lines are being struck off if not productive. Sensible I suppose but always sad to see one go.
Don't be surprised to see other less well selling lines streamlined.
Quite sad to hear this as I actually really liked this pattern and if I'd ever gotten a warhound I'd probably have gone for the Lucius.
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Post by: Alpharius
I've always preferred the MARS over the LUCIUS - interesting to see that most of the rest of the world does too!
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Post by: SirDonlad
Problem for me was; when painted up the lucius looked like one you'd scratch-built with it's flat panels all over the place - the mars pattern looks so much slicker with it's smoothly curving panels.
I felt that if i was going to spend £300+ on a model i want it to look better than a scratch-build one!
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
My biggest issue with the Lucius-pattern is the head. It looks like it might be a Megas XLR mech with dog head made from a car. The others are a little too dog for my liking as well, but it's not as bad. When I eventually get a Warhound, I'll definitely need to solve that.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Hmm, did anybody else get an email announcing Bulletin #54, titled The Mechanicum Marches Out? Except the link doesn't work.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_54.html
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Post by: warboss
Yup, I got the same nonfunctional link.
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Post by: OomieCrusha
While looking at the currently available Imperial Armour books, I noticed the pickings are a bit thin. Has anyone heard rumors on when more might be coming out?
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Post by: Zuul
Oh wow, I didn't see them killing off a titan. I'm bummed out. I was going to get a lucius with my tax refund, but I see that it has already been removed from the site. Never mind I guess.
I wish that they had a last chance section in those newsletters they send out.
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Post by: BrookM
Newsletter link is working now:
Raven Guard incoming.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Should make the 40k raven guard look pretty nice with that upgrade kit
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Post by: Haighus
Raven Guard should get a lot of nice variety, because the existing FW upgrade kit works for HH too, because it is a MkVI kit already
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Post by: Frozen Ocean
"Brother, I've told you a thousand times - you can't just leave your helmet on the floor like this. Someone could injure themselves."
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Post by: Yaraton
Ork fighta bommer is gone too. that was kinda obvious since GW has it's own kit. I was contemplating about it but couldn't pull the trigger after I bought the Lucius Titan. I was also looking at Eldar Vampire Hinter and Raider. Accidentally, they are now listed as "Out of Stock". I wonder if they are to go next... A word of advice to everyone who is interested in old FW products - buy now, you never know when FW is going to shelf them for good.
P.S. Correction, not gone, it's still there. My bad, I need a new pair of glasses.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yaraton wrote:Ork fighta bommer is gone too. that was kinda obvious since GW has it's own kit. I was contemplating about it but couldn't pull the trigger after I bought the Lucius Titan. I was also looking at Eldar Vampire Hinter and Raider. Accidentally, they are now listed as "Out of Stock". I wonder if they are to go next... A word of advice to everyone who is interested in old FW products - buy now, you never know when FW is going to shelf them for good.
P.S. Correction, not gone, it's still there. My bad, I need a new pair of glasses.
The fighter bomma from FW is a different unit to any of the 3 you make with the plastic kit anyway so even if it was gone it wouldn't be because GW has its own kit for it.
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Post by: sierra 1247
Same with the thunderhawk transport variants.
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Post by: Jinx Magiga
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before but is the Raven Guard marine on a 32mm base?
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Post by: Haighus
It would appear so. The characters that have been released since the GW base change have had 32mm bases, so it would make sense.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:Haven't seen this posted on here, but just saw over on Bolter and Chainsword that FW have stopped producing the Lucius warhound.
Well, spoke to fw, as of 2 weeks ago they have officially stopped producing and selling the lucius.
On account of the Mars selling on a ratio of 8:1 lucius.
As they now have more limited storage room (there's been a lot of new things out last 2 years) lines are being struck off if not productive. Sensible I suppose but always sad to see one go.
Don't be surprised to see other less well selling lines streamlined.
Quite sad to hear this as I actually really liked this pattern and if I'd ever gotten a warhound I'd probably have gone for the Lucius.
Will Hayes designed the Lucius pattern first, and had some issues with the design, but it was easier to sculpt at the time. The Mars took a few lessons from the Lucius, but still has a few design issues as well.
It seems GW and FW are focusing on the mars pattern now, with the Skitarii specifically being from mars, and the Knight, Warhound, and Reaver are all Mars style.
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Post by: Snrub
Bummer about the Titan. I wanted to get a Lucius warhound at some point. Guess that's unlikely to happen now.
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Post by: Jadenim
Slightly odd that they haven't pulled the Lucius weapons too. I can only assume they're attempting to use up stock, but I can't see how that will work without the chassis available
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Post by: Peregrine
 Jadenim wrote:I can only assume they're attempting to use up stock, but I can't see how that will work without the chassis available
People who bought titans earlier and want extra guns, people who want them for conversion projects, etc. They're almost certainly out of production, but leaving the remaining stock up for sale doesn't cost anything.
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Post by: Jadenim
I guess so, just so used to GW main disappearing things entirely when they don't want to continue selling them *grumble, mumble* Kasrkin
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Post by: ImAGeek
 MajorWesJanson wrote: gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:Haven't seen this posted on here, but just saw over on Bolter and Chainsword that FW have stopped producing the Lucius warhound.
Well, spoke to fw, as of 2 weeks ago they have officially stopped producing and selling the lucius.
On account of the Mars selling on a ratio of 8:1 lucius.
As they now have more limited storage room (there's been a lot of new things out last 2 years) lines are being struck off if not productive. Sensible I suppose but always sad to see one go.
Don't be surprised to see other less well selling lines streamlined.
Quite sad to hear this as I actually really liked this pattern and if I'd ever gotten a warhound I'd probably have gone for the Lucius.
Will Hayes designed the Lucius pattern first, and had some issues with the design, but it was easier to sculpt at the time. The Mars took a few lessons from the Lucius, but still has a few design issues as well.
It seems GW and FW are focusing on the mars pattern now, with the Skitarii specifically being from mars, and the Knight, Warhound, and Reaver are all Mars style.
I think it's more that the Mars one just sold better (I saw some where in here it sold 8 to 1; Mars to Lucius). It definitely seemed more popular.
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Post by: Gertjan
maybe a dumb question but is anything known about FW making shoulder pads for MKIV armor? Looking at maybe starting up a small Alpha legion force with that MK but seems to be a lack of shoulderpads and the others don't really fit all that well.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
 Gertjan wrote:maybe a dumb question but is anything known about FW making shoulder pads for MKIV armor? Looking at maybe starting up a small Alpha legion force with that MK but seems to be a lack of shoulderpads and the others don't really fit all that well.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Alpha_Legion/ALPHA_LEGION_MK_IV_SHOULDER_PADS.html
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Post by: Tank_Dweller
H.B.M.C. wrote:Question is, can that Turbo-Laser be mounted on anything else, like say a Reaver's carapace?
Yes.. I was told by someone who went to the HH weekender that it was designed with that in mind but they didn't think it looked right so they turmed it into a terrain peice.
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Post by: Gertjan
Sigh, my bad, I meant MKVI armor, working and posting do not go together very well :(
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Tank_Dweller wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Question is, can that Turbo-Laser be mounted on anything else, like say a Reaver's carapace?
Yes.. I was told by someone who went to the HH weekender that it was designed with that in mind but they didn't think it looked right so they turmed it into a terrain peice.
Over on Bolter and Chainsword someone emailed them and the said it does fit onto the titan.
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Post by: Shandara
Yaraton wrote:Ork fighta bommer is gone too. that was kinda obvious since GW has it's own kit. I was contemplating about it but couldn't pull the trigger after I bought the Lucius Titan. I was also looking at Eldar Vampire Hinter and Raider. Accidentally, they are now listed as "Out of Stock". I wonder if they are to go next... A word of advice to everyone who is interested in old FW products - buy now, you never know when FW is going to shelf them for good.
P.S. Correction, not gone, it's still there. My bad, I need a new pair of glasses.
I have been bugging FW about the Vampire Raider/Hunter for half a year now and they keep saying the molds are damaged and need to be redone, should be cool in a few weeks. Obviously that never happened as I'm still waiting...
But unlike other models they haven't been removed.. yet.
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Post by: zedmeister
The Death korps Leman Russ Annihilator kit has gone. The turret's still there though: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Astra_Militarum_Tanks/MODIFIED_RYZA_PATTERN_LEMAN_RUSS_ANNIHILATOR_TURRET.html Also, the Eldar Type 2 Wave Serpent has vanished...
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Post by: Azeroth133
The new THANATAR-CALIX SIEGE-AUTOMATA is up with rules.
Heavy Lascannon and all.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/Thanatar-Calix.pdf
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Holy gak that is awesome. Its only Horus Heresy though :(
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah all the FW Mechanicum stuff is.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Hah, H.B.M.C will be pleased they popped in a wee reference to the RPG.
Honestly, if FW insist on sticking to this "Mechanicum & AdMech are totally different so no Mechanicum stuff in 40K" line, they're total numpties. An IA:13-style book with Skitarii-crewed Guard tanks, SM tanks, Rapiers, Sabres etc plus things like Tarantulas and "relic" versions of the 30K Mechanicum vehicles/robots would make them a nice chunk of change and go a long way towards making the Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus minidexes feel like a proper complete army.
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Post by: notprop
If that sucker is available at Salute then it will be mine!!
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Post by: BrookM
It will be on sale before Salute, so order away.
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Post by: Koppo
I am so having one of these beasts. He can join his Plasma Mortar brother. Although it;s a bit annoying that the guns = type of robot rather than being a upgrade to a basic chassis so I can take a unit of them and mix and match
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Post by: locarno24
Interesting to note that the Ordo Reductor can take it as well as the Taghmata and Cybernetica versions.
Plus - yay, Sollex lasers. And, it's a gorgeous model.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
It's a beautiful model, but you're paying a lot of points for some long range shooting, and some close range shooting and melee. I prefer the more focussed role the other Thanatar has.
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Post by: kronk
T8 with a big ass gun!
295 is a chuck of points, though.
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Post by: Johnson101
I feel like this Robot would require alot of finesse to use to its full potential at 295 points
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Post by: Ratius
Fantastic model, wow.
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Post by: warboss
I kind of wish they gave the graviton weapon the same rules as the 40k grav weapons for simplicity. The megalascannon, though visually impressive, is basically a pre-nerf single shot non-TL broadside gun and IMO feels like it needs more like a small blast template.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Nah, the 30K grav weapons have always been different from the 40K versions. They've been around longer, too.
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Post by: warboss
 Tannhauser42 wrote:Nah, the 30K grav weapons have always been different from the 40K versions. They've been around longer, too.
By about 10,000 years or so?
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Post by: aka_mythos
Yodhrin wrote:Hah, H.B.M.C will be pleased they popped in a wee reference to the RPG.
Honestly, if FW insist on sticking to this "Mechanicum & AdMech are totally different so no Mechanicum stuff in 40K" line, they're total numpties. An IA:13-style book with Skitarii-crewed Guard tanks, SM tanks, Rapiers, Sabres etc plus things like Tarantulas and "relic" versions of the 30K Mechanicum vehicles/robots would make them a nice chunk of change and go a long way towards making the Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus minidexes feel like a proper complete army.
I don't think they'll necessarily go that far. I think there comes some point where they'll just say "if thats what you're representing... allies". I could just see FW give them a rule that simply allows them to take any Imperial vehicle from any other IA book and add a "skitarii or techpriest" crew premium. More likely I could see FW make some additional AdMech units in the vein Enginseers and Techmarines that represent an AdMech presence in those armies.
FW better give us an IA book. Though I bet first FW will incorporate the GW models into their rules first, with add-on kits. We will probably be waiting until HH gets to the Mars book. That said given the special relationship I wouldn't be surprised if FW put the Knight stuff into the same book as mechanicum, since Imperial Knights will hardly ever be something so big as to justify a whole IA book of their own.
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Post by: BrookM
From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I imagine there will be SOME allowances for 30K Mechanicum use in 40K.
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Post by: PalmerC
I really like the look of the Solex but three weapons two being huge seems a bit overkill. It seems like it is approaching but not quite the versatility and cost of a Knight not sure what is a better use of points?
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Post by: BrookM
Prolly just their tech-thralls and the Triaros, the rest probably be considered too heretical.
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Post by: Looky Likey
PalmerC wrote:I really like the look of the Solex but three weapons two being huge seems a bit overkill. It seems like it is approaching but not quite the versatility and cost of a Knight not sure what is a better use of points?
I've used three of the older thanatar in my 30k knight list, the Knights are better at CC, move faster, but are easier to kill, T8, 3+, 5++ goes a long way. The plasma 5" templates are awesome as well, a weapon load out the Knights don't have and can't mimic.
I'm going to wait for the bundle to appear of the new Thanatar, not making the same mistake I did last time and pay more buying them separately.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
BrookM wrote:From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.
You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?
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Post by: BrookM
 CthuluIsSpy wrote: BrookM wrote:From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.
You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?
Nooooo, Volkite is the new way of getting that perfect slice of buttery toast nice and warm.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
BrookM wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: BrookM wrote:From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.
You mean you aren't supposed to use volkite to floss your teeth?
Nooooo, Volkite is the new way of getting that perfect slice of buttery toast nice and warm.
Well, that explains the high mortality rate among the guard then
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Post by: aka_mythos
BrookM wrote:Prolly just their tech-thralls and the Triaros, the rest probably be considered too heretical.
I could see the Krios be included. I picture the robots being included just because FW would want to sell them; all FW has to do is come up with slightly different rules and an explanation why even a few Forge Worlds have them. Thallax are suppose to be an off shoot of Skitarri and don't seem so out of line as to be heretical, maybe just some of their options.
The other possibility for how FW approaches this book, particularly if they wait until after the HH: Mars book will be if they have a dark Mechanicum army list. At that point they could get away with excluding more of the 30k options from the 40k loyalists to push that alternate armylist.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 aka_mythos wrote:Yodhrin wrote:Hah, H.B.M.C will be pleased they popped in a wee reference to the RPG.
Honestly, if FW insist on sticking to this "Mechanicum & AdMech are totally different so no Mechanicum stuff in 40K" line, they're total numpties. An IA:13-style book with Skitarii-crewed Guard tanks, SM tanks, Rapiers, Sabres etc plus things like Tarantulas and "relic" versions of the 30K Mechanicum vehicles/robots would make them a nice chunk of change and go a long way towards making the Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus minidexes feel like a proper complete army.
I don't think they'll necessarily go that far. I think there comes some point where they'll just say "if thats what you're representing... allies". I could just see FW give them a rule that simply allows them to take any Imperial vehicle from any other IA book and add a "skitarii or techpriest" crew premium. More likely I could see FW make some additional AdMech units in the vein Enginseers and Techmarines that represent an AdMech presence in those armies.
FW better give us an IA book. Though I bet first FW will incorporate the GW models into their rules first, with add-on kits. We will probably be waiting until HH gets to the Mars book. That said given the special relationship I wouldn't be surprised if FW put the Knight stuff into the same book as mechanicum, since Imperial Knights will hardly ever be something so big as to justify a whole IA book of their own.
The problem with the "just ally stuff" line, for me personally, is it affronts my sense of order. Without specific versions with the right crew, neither the Guard Rapiers nor the Marine ones "fit"(the latter too much armour, the former too little BS), same goes for tanks. Your solution could work, but I doubt they'd give us something so broad as they'll doubtless wish to keep "flavour" units like Drop Sentinels and fancified artillery from DKoK more limited outside their specific armies. Plus it'd be nice to see specific entries that include some whackier options; AdMech Rapiers should really have all the flavours, including Grav and the new Solar Aux. multi-multilaser. Also, it'd be nice to see a FW book with a a variant Skitarii list that actually has bloody Objective Secured.
And in relation to the post just above this from you; they don't need an excuse to include the Robots, this idea that there are no loyalist Legio Cybernetica after the Heresy seems to be a fan invention. Maybe stuff like Scyllax and Tech-Thralls wouldn't make it, but the basic Robots shouldn't be an issue, and things like the tracked vehicles, Thanatar, and Thallax should still be around as "relic" units in the same fashion as Sicaran tanks for SM.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Thallax should still be possible in 40K, as they aren't robots. They have (parts) of a human inside them.
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Post by: BrookM
Thallax are cyborgs really, so a step up from servitors, I wonder how the Imperium feels about those.
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Post by: SirDonlad
So, yeah, Thanatar Calix ordered. (Ordoed?)
So happy they didn't forget my faction!! edit:even at 345points due to no cortex controllers!
uh, yeah, thallax were mentioned so i'm sticking my nose in....
The creation of thallax is frowned upon
"...although, for some within the mechanicum this skirts the edge of abomination." HH book 1 p270
But attitudes vary wildly during the heresy, but thallax are the Ordo Reductor's 'thing' - expendable shock troops despite the process being a wasteful and tricky one to perform
"Given the resources required, the difficulty of creating a thallax and the fact that an individuals will to live is a factor in whether a useable measure of sanity is retained in the subject..." HH bok 1 p270
I would dearly love to see thallax in 40k proper in the upcoming admech codex but i'm not sure you'd be able to given the deamon (demon? deamon? meh...) presence in the 40k era just waiting to inhabit some corporeal form!
That would cause a failed experiment and as a tech-preist in training, i resent that. 
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Post by: notprop
kronk wrote:T8 with a big ass gun!
295 is a chuck of points, though.
Points? Where we're going we don't need points. [puts on shades and hovers off in the distance]
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Post by: Rippy
I am pretty bored of these automata to be honest, two disappointing weeks of releases in a row.
Edit: For me, my own opinion, not judging yours
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Post by: PalmerC
I've used three of the older thanatar in my 30k knight list, the Knights are better at CC, move faster, but are easier to kill, T8, 3+, 5++ goes a long way. The plasma 5" templates are awesome as well, a weapon load out the Knights don't have and can't mimic.
I'm going to wait for the bundle to appear of the new Thanatar, not making the same mistake I did last time and pay more buying them separately.
Thanks, yes I have seen the original Thanatar in action and it's pretty scary with the large blast template. I am looking to get a mechanicm bundle too. I am not sure about this current one yet though but I am definitely getting the original load out.
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Post by: insaniak
Now that is a sexy robot...
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Post by: SirDonlad
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.
"...so the hooker-bot says 'thats not my expansion slot!' and my buddy says - 'and thats not my gold-plated 32-pin connector!'..."
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Post by: Tannhauser42
 SirDonlad wrote:The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.
I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.
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Post by: BrookM
What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?
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Post by: Tannhauser42
BrookM wrote:What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?
Heh, that's exactly what Paragon of Metal is for. In addition to a few other things (like granting IWND and Rampage), it also cancels out the Programmed Behavior rule, so you don't need a babysitter for the Thanatar. Unfortunately, only one model in the army can be given Paragon of Metal.
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Post by: BrookM
Tannhauser42 wrote: BrookM wrote:What does Paragon of Metal do again? Also, doesn't a beast like this require someone with a Cortex Controller to babysit it 24/7?
Heh, that's exactly what Paragon of Metal is for. In addition to a few other things (like granting IWND and Rampage), it also cancels out the Programmed Behavior rule, so you don't need a babysitter for the Thanatar. Unfortunately, only one model in the army can be given Paragon of Metal.
Ah, cheers!
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Post by: AWesker1976
Jesus jumped up Christ! I MUST have this mechanicus model, even though I'm currently getting rid of my 40k models.
Should be easy enough to shave the Mechanicum icon off it. The lack of skulls all over it helps too.
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Post by: Accolade
I can't decide if I want to make a small Mechanicum or Mechanicus army. The benefit of the Mechanicus is that there rules are part of standard 40k, but the Mechanicum are just so damn sexy...
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Post by: Looky Likey
Tannhauser42 wrote: SirDonlad wrote:The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.
I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.
how does the styrix compare for ranged anti heavy armour? It's a clear gap in the knight list at present, I have to take something else to cope with ceramite and heavy armour.
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