Yodhrin wrote:The problem with the "just ally stuff" line, for me personally, is it affronts my sense of order. Without specific versions with the right crew, neither the Guard Rapiers nor the Marine ones "fit"(the latter too much armour, the former too little BS), same goes for tanks. Your solution could work, but I doubt they'd give us something so broad as they'll doubtless wish to keep "flavour" units like Drop Sentinels and fancified artillery from DKoK more limited outside their specific armies. Plus it'd be nice to see specific entries that include some whackier options; AdMech Rapiers should really have all the flavours, including Grav and the new Solar Aux. multi-multilaser. Also, it'd be nice to see a FW book with a a variant Skitarii list that actually has bloody Objective Secured.

And in relation to the post just above this from you; they don't need an excuse to include the Robots, this idea that there are no loyalist Legio Cybernetica after the Heresy seems to be a fan invention. Maybe stuff like Scyllax and Tech-Thralls wouldn't make it, but the basic Robots shouldn't be an issue, and things like the tracked vehicles, Thanatar, and Thallax should still be around as "relic" units in the same fashion as Sicaran tanks for SM.

Hmm, DKoK Engineer-crewed Rapiers would be the closest, they are pretty similar to Skitarii, but I agree, I think Ad Mech should have their own IA, and probably will get one.
Also, totally agree about the no-robots-in-40k thing. The Legio Cybernetica is even mentioned in one of the White Dwarfs covering the new Skitarii releases. I think it is rarer in the 41st Millenium, due to declining tech levels and all that, but I don't think they have been outlawed.

Found the quote:

White Dwarf, Issue 61 wrote:LEGIONS OF MARS
Though often fielded in Battle Maniples, War Cohorts or even entire legions on their own,
the Skitarii will often fight alongside other followers of the Cult Mechanicus, including
the battle robots of the Legio Cybernetica, the vast war engines of the Centurio Ordinatus
and the God-Machines of the Titan Legions.

BrookM wrote:From what I've heard, the 40k versions are the weapons used wrongly, but the Ad-mech kinda sorta lets it slip because it's more effective this way.

Yeah, the first 40k style grav weapon is the Graviton Imploder in the Tagmata list, which uses the same rules as the 40k ones. IIRC, it is not necessarily more effective, but it is much simpler to make and it is very effective at it's role. Made originally on Incaladion or Tigrus, can't remember which one, Incaladion I think, and considered Heresy by more conservative members of the Mechanicum, although there always seems to be at least some members of the Mechanicum who consider new equipment heresy, even if it is STC stuff.

BrookM wrote:Thallax are cyborgs really, so a step up from servitors, I wonder how the Imperium feels about those.

Probably doesn't really matter what the Imperium thinks, as long as Mars says it is officially non-heretical, and it did pre-heresy, so they should be ok. Tbh, Thallax are not all that dissimilar to the new Sicarians, which are also heavily augmented.



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 Looky Likey wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.

how does the styrix compare for ranged anti heavy armour? It's a clear gap in the knight list at present, I have to take something else to cope with ceramite and heavy armour.

I was going to suggest the Errant, but then that is negated somewhat by the Ceramite. Hmm, I think the Lightning gun variant does have Rending, but with just one hit on a tank, it really isn't reliable.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.

Yeah man, thats exactly how i was going to use it!
However, i am a little bit sour grapes over only being able to field one with complete control as i can't take cortex controllers and i want that uber-lascannon to really mean something! (other than a token heavy shot)
It feels like the 'normal' thanatar's have a much more effective loadout in the hellex plama mortar for less points.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
The big gun is a bit weak compared to a rapier laser destroyer, i recon it needs to be S10 AP1 ordinance1 (laser destroyer is S9 AP1 ordinance1 twin linked)
Going to use one anyway just cause they gave it to the ordo reductor but the rules for the gun arn't as good as it's text makes out.
I'm not sure this loadout is any better than a standard thanatar for the points increase; lovely thing though.

I think this Thanatar is really meant to be the close assault version. The laser is just to have something to peg distant targets with while you're walking up the board to smack things with the grav ram. For me, due to the points, I would only ever field one Thanatar in my Mechanicum army, so that's always going to be the one that gets the Paragon of Metal upgrade. When you factor in the total cost with upgrades on the Calix, you're at 345pts, which is in Imperial Knight territory. At that point, I would honestly take a Questoris Knight Styrix instead for just a few more points. So, I still prefer the plasma mortar version.

Yeah man, thats exactly how i was going to use it!
However, i am a little bit sour grapes over only being able to field one with complete control as i can't take cortex controllers and i want that uber-lascannon to really mean something! (other than a token heavy shot)
It feels like the 'normal' thanatar's have a much more effective loadout in the hellex plama mortar for less points.

Why can't you take a cortex controller?

 Haighus wrote:
I was going to suggest the Errant, but then that is negated somewhat by the Ceramite. Hmm, I think the Lightning gun variant does have Rending, but with just one hit on a tank, it really isn't reliable.

The Errant stuggles with heavy armour, I tend to take Errants as anti Marine with the S6, AP3, heavy 3 gun. I'd be taking multiple of them with enhanced senses and using the Magos power to double the shots if I was trying to crack something like a spartan.

Myrmidons with beamers are the most point efficent way to crack heavy armour, that or the lightning but I'd like something suitable on a big robot chassis to fit the theme of my army.

You know, I'm pretty sure you could get away with using that as a dunecrawler with the neutron laser if you put it on the right base...

 Zuul wrote:
Why can't you take a cortex controller?

Turns out i do have access to one on the 'magos reductor' that i can take from book 2 - I feel foolish! my only solace is that don't have a copy of book two.. {slinks back into a shadowy corner}

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I was going to suggest the Errant, but then that is negated somewhat by the Ceramite. Hmm, I think the Lightning gun variant does have Rending, but with just one hit on a tank, it really isn't reliable.

The Errant stuggles with heavy armour, I tend to take Errants as anti Marine with the S6, AP3, heavy 3 gun. I'd be taking multiple of them with enhanced senses and using the Magos power to double the shots if I was trying to crack something like a spartan.

Myrmidons with beamers are the most point efficent way to crack heavy armour, that or the lightning but I'd like something suitable on a big robot chassis to fit the theme of my army.

Isn't that the Paladin? I thought the Errant was the one with the huge meltagun, a Thermal cannon or some such.

Also, the 30k Paladin has the option of going with the heavy 3 or heavy 2 loadout, so you can beforehand pick which type works best against what you're up against.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Zuul wrote:
Why can't you take a cortex controller?

Turns out i do have access to one on the 'magos reductor' that i can take from book 2 - I feel foolish! my only solace is that don't have a copy of book two.. {slinks back into a shadowy corner}

What do you play? The latest book iirc from posts expanded the availability of the cortex controller significantly at least for the legions.

I represent the Ordo Reductor! (that's their heraldry in my profile pic)

Haighus wrote:Isn't that the Paladin? I thought the Errant was the one with the huge meltagun, a Thermal cannon or some such.

Probably, I always get those two mixed up.

BrookM wrote:Also, the 30k Paladin has the option of going with the heavy 3 or heavy 2 loadout, so you can beforehand pick which type works best against what you're up against.

I always feel a bit cheesy changing anything in my army list once I've seen what the other guy has even if its a points neutral option, it'd be like swapping out meltas for plasma in a Marine support squad.

Shiny...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_55.html

From all of the awesome models we’ve seen coming out of the Forge World Studio lately, you’d be forgiven for thinking that’s all they make all day. It’s not only models though, and it’s not just fantastic books such as the Imperial Armour and Horus Heresy series either. This week I was treated to a sneak peek of something else just before it was sent to the printers - a pair of jaw-droppingly detailed new transfer sheets. Take a look...

Here's hoping Imperial Army gets a sheet as well sooner or later.

They look pretty sweet.

 BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping Imperial Army gets a sheet as well sooner or later.

This. I really want the stuff from HH4, especially that Thunderbolt tail symbol.

Awesome transfers, though there is no shortage of Ultramarine banners available! Gimme mah Minotaurs banners

You might have to wait awhile there - probably not 10,000 years, but...

It's a simple question, do the Minotaurs make an appearance during the Horus Heresy?

No

Hence my 10K years comment!

New and more detailed transfers are a welcome sight though, and if they sell well, I can't imagine FW won't expand that range considerably.

Kind of meh on the idea of super-detailed, very colourful transfers. They don't really fit with the spare aesthetic that's been established with the existing HH stuff which is, if anything, grittier and flatter than 40k Space Marines; kind of like everything got dumped in a huge vat of matte varnish and bumped and scraped on the way out.

If there's any two Legions aside from the Emperor's Children which were flashy, I think that Ultramarines and Word Bearers would fit the bill.

True, but in the studio examples so far painted models of even the EC have been positively drab. The examples of UM and WB kicking around have been dark and devoid of excessive ornamentation. Images from the Calth book from the HH weekend showed blingy specialist troops in terms of decoration (thinking UM breachers in particular) but scheme-wise they were fairly simplistic with few colours and those colours were muted.

But colour-wise, most of the transfers are muted too. The only ones which aren't are the Standards, and if there is one thing in an army that should be impressive and loud, it is a banner.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If there's any two Legions aside from the Emperor's Children which were flashy, I think that Ultramarines and Word Bearers would fit the bill.

Umm.. You're forgetting Blood Angels Kan, all their gak is custom brah!

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Zuul wrote:
Why can't you take a cortex controller?

Turns out i do have access to one on the 'magos reductor' that i can take from book 2 - I feel foolish! my only solace is that don't have a copy of book two.. {slinks back into a shadowy corner}

Don't forget that you can take a Thanatar-Calix as a single model and then give it Paragon of Metal, which makes it immune to Programmed Behavior, and gives it IWND.

 Haighus wrote:
But colour-wise, most of the transfers are muted too. The only ones which aren't are the Standards, and if there is one thing in an army that should be impressive and loud, it is a banner.

Hmmm, the Word Bearers set seems to have quite a few non-banner ones. The majority of the Ultra-sheet does look fine on a second look, I would hope there are no more like the banner one.

Also remember the transfers have to do double duty for those wanting the traditional FW 'weathered' look and those preferring a more GW painting style

you can weather a bright transfer much more easily than you can brighten a dull one

I've always wondered how well the FW transfers actually work. I haven't used a transfer for many years now, do they still look like it was obviously stuck with the shiny edge on or are they more subtle these days?

Edit(s): I really can't spell today...

Transfers today are a lot better than they used to be (thinner, more 'solid' colour etc)

and there are a bunch of aftermarket solutions and techniques borrowed from scale modelling to make them less obvious

(my go to is microsol and microset, eg http://incunabulum.co.uk/blog/2009/09/29/tutorial-decals-with-microsol-and-microset/)

Yeah, that's not really about the transfer so much as your technique and what you use to apply it.

I think I'm gonna do a post dedicated to transfers in my P&M blog. I see people goofing up transfers so often, including on minis featured in codicies (although IIRC the 'Eavy Metal team don't use any varnishes or sealers for photography reasons, and that would be a problem for transfers).

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, that's not really about the transfer so much as your technique and what you use to apply it.

I think I'm gonna do a post dedicated to transfers in my P&M blog. I see people goofing up transfers so often, including on minis featured in codicies (although IIRC the 'Eavy Metal team don't use any varnishes or sealers for photography reasons, and that would be a problem for transfers).

Back in the day didn't the 'Eavy metal team paint over the transfers using them as a guide?

that's what i do, Zuul...
at least around the film, since i don't use varnish until after the final pics...

i rarely use transfers, but those new sheets are damn pretty...
it would be interesting to see how a whole decal looks on a banner...
i've never tried that before, but it would save a lot of struggle for those who don't like painting freehand...

cheers
jah

Ultra, Ultra, Ultra - ULTIMA!
Ultra, Ultra, Ultra - ULTIMA!
Ultra, Ultra, Ultra - ULTIMA!

++Chant of the Ultramarines++

Exciting!

A.. a new Knight variant?

edit.



GLORIOUS.

So people reckon that's a Warlord, but if it were I don't think it would look that much like a Knight. Knights and proper Titans are seperate entities and so a Warlord would look more in the vein of the Reaver.

it looks very much like it has the full "beetle-back" style of the original warlord titan model. Its not two seperate shoulders, its a continuous carapace. This makes be go towards the warlord rather than a new knight.

Also we havent seen any sneak preview of this "knight" at the weekender or elsewhere, meaning that this project is super-secret. Again making me think warlord not knight

I still think this could be a titan, perhaps they are bringing the Titans and Knights into a single stylistic direction.

Looks like two seperate shoulders to me...

Check out the kneepad in the upper right at 0:52... Compare with the one in the lower left at 1:01... it's the same model, and bigger than the Reaver.

http://plasticmotorpool.blogspot.com/2015/04/forge-world-new-titan-preview.html

Well if it is a Warlord, I'm not impressed. Just a bigger Knight is not what I envisioned.

Crap. Warlord. Well, saving money starting next paycheck (have to grab some mechanicus first)

Guess they dropped the idea of the Reaver and Warlord sharing weapons :( On the other hand, the Warlord seems to be mounting heavier carapace weapons, like the old epic ones, instead of just the same as the reaver.

I'm going to stick with Knight variant, probably the Knight-Crusader or Knight Baron pattern at long last.

the carapace/shoulder set up is significantly different than the cerastus knight config, the shoulders on the cerastus are lower at their highest point than the top of the central carapace. This thing is the other way around - the "shoulders" are higher than the central carapace

It could very well be up-armoured to offer better protection, as the patterns I mentioned are.

So I don't know what this is going to be but. I can say one thing, after reading through 10 pages of hate on the elder rumours at least all we have to decide is if we are getting a warlord or a new knight.
So glad I switched to HH/FW products recently

I really can't fathom why people think this is a knight variant. Ok, I'm getting on a bit, but it's clearly an updated, W40k scale "beetle back" Warlord Titan. Ok, so the head is stylistically similar to the Knights, but is it such a problem that there should be similarities?

We'll find out at the opening of Warhammer World I suppose, though I'm going to stick with an up-armoured and upgunned Knight variant.

Plus, IIRC, during the weekender they mentioned still working on the Warlord and that it would still be quite some time off before being in any state of readiness.

It's not just 'similarities' to the Knights. It's literally an upscaled Knight. I just don't like that as a Warlord. It should feel different to the Knights, because it is...

Question is- which of you would actually go buy a Warlord?! Lol.

 BrookM wrote:
Plus, IIRC, during the weekender they mentioned still working on the Warlord and that it would still be quite some time off before being in any state of readiness.

I guess we will find out, but i seem to recal them doing the same with the Reaver...

Book 4 talked about a smaller warlord with a very similar load out to that picture: two arm weapons, two carapace weapons, all four seemingly Reaver standard weapons.

I'm expecting it to be that. I'm guessing this will be out for the Warhammer World open day next month at the latest. I am going to be very broke as I already had a sizable shopping list that I wanted to pick up when I went there.

Warlord! Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

Weapons that I can see: Chainfist, Quake Cannon and a Carapace Lasblaster. Can't see the other shoulder

 BrookM wrote:
I'm going to stick with Knight variant, probably the Knight-Crusader or Knight Baron pattern at long last.

It's a titan. The video shows a warhound, a reaver, and the new kit in sequence. The reaver you can also see a pair of the new warlords to either side. Also it has the T for Titan markings on the shins.

Looks like it is not too much taller than the reaver, but it is a lot bulkier- wide.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Question is- which of you would actually go buy a Warlord?! Lol.

Me. After some Skitarii kits, I am not going to buy any more models until this guy comes out. Both to save money for it (I expect the body to be around 700 pounds, with the weapons at 70 each) and to give myself time to finish painting my Reaver, Warhound, and Knights.

 zedmeister wrote:

Weapons that I can see: Chainfist, Quake Cannon and a Carapace Lasblaster. Can't see the other shoulder

That looks like a Warlord Volcano cannon, not a quake cannon. And that is not a chainfist. it is another gun with the crenelated ridge on top like the Reaver Melta cannon.

It is supposed to be 24" tall the carapace weapons are the Warhounds primary weapons and the Reaver apoc launcher.
And Yes I am going to buy one if I need to sell things I will.

Phutarf wrote:
I really can't fathom why people think this is a knight variant. Ok, I'm getting on a bit, but it's clearly an updated, W40k scale "beetle back" Warlord Titan. Ok, so the head is stylistically similar to the Knights, but is it such a problem that there should be similarities?

This. The original Beetle-back Warlord model looks a lot like the current GW Knight. That Beetle-back plastic Epic Warlord could be individualised with about two dozen head options (including chaos parts). Here is the catalogue page

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap119epictitanparts-02.htm

There were also prototype Warlords like this one



Given the 'upscaling dramatae' of the video it looks like a FW Warlord model is coming

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

Weapons that I can see: Chainfist, Quake Cannon and a Carapace Lasblaster. Can't see the other shoulder

That looks like a Warlord Volcano cannon, not a quake cannon. And that is not a chainfist. it is another gun with the crenelated ridge on top like the Reaver Melta cannon.

After a 2nd look, I reckon you're right - that isn't a Chainfist. Still reckon the left hand is a Quake Cannon though. Much bulkier than the Volcano Cannon that we saw for the reaver

A smaller Warlord was already introduced? That seems to be it then

Warhams-77 wrote:
A smaller Warlord was already introduced? That seems to be it then

Smaller Warlord? When? There were three patterns in general release - the first Mars pattern (Plastic and prototype Metal as you shown), the 2nd "Metalicus" pattern and the most recent Lucius pattern. You also had the Nemesis Class Psi-Titan which was planned but only made a limited release in the US as well as other planned for Warlords which were rumoured to be the Legatus, Atlas and Vulcan class Warlords.

Funnily enough, that Epic prototype metal Warlord goes for the same price on ebay that the new Warlord will probably cost!

I'm pretty sure in Conquest there's mention of a smaller one.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure in Conquest there's mention of a smaller one.

Do you remember the page number or section where it was mentioned?

The information is from Looky Likey on page 12

 Looky Likey wrote:
Book 4 talked about a smaller warlord with a very similar load out to that picture: two arm weapons, two carapace weapons, all four seemingly Reaver standard weapons.

I'm expecting it to be that. I'm guessing this will be out for the Warhammer World open day next month at the latest. I am going to be very broke as I already had a sizable shopping list that I wanted to pick up when I went there.

Haha, the ebay prices for old prototype models are insane, aren't they?

 zedmeister wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure in Conquest there's mention of a smaller one.

Do you remember the page number or section where it was mentioned?

No, I remember them mentioning it on the Independent Characters podcast, when they were talking about the fluff, and then Lookey Likey mentioned it on the last page which reminded me I'd heard it there, and I think I remember seeing something about it when Conquest came out, but I don't have a page number, sorry.

Better still be a real book and not an expensive advertisement for the Warlord like Vraks 2 was for the Reaver.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Better still be a real book and not an expensive advertisement for the Warlord like Vraks 2 was for the Reaver.

At least it will be a Warlord Titan, Ultramarines, Word Bearers, and the Deredeo dreadnought. Plus the new Thanatar loadout.

 zedmeister wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure in Conquest there's mention of a smaller one.

Do you remember the page number or section where it was mentioned?

I don't have book 4 to hand, only book 3 but they talk about the Carnivore on page 157 and the Warlord Nemesis on page 161. The former is around Reaver size, the latter is Warlord sized. The Nemesis is also mentioned elsewher in the book, pretty sure HH4 and a couple of the latest BL HH books, although I'd be hard pressed to go through all of those for page numbers.

I think the screenshot is the Carnivore and has Reaver weaponary but more of it. This would make sense as it means they already have a wide number of arms for it, and fit into the recent volcano cannon release.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure in Conquest there's mention of a smaller one.

Do you remember the page number or section where it was mentioned?

I don't have book 4 to hand, only book 3 but they talk about the Carnivore on page 157 and the Warlord Nemesis on page 161. The former is around Reaver size, the latter is Warlord sized. The Nemesis is also mentioned elsewher in the book, pretty sure HH4 and a couple of the latest BL HH books, although I'd be hard pressed to go through all of those for page numbers.

I think the screenshot is the Carnivore and has Reaver weaponary but more of it. This would make sense as it means they already have a wide number of arms for it, and fit into the recent volcano cannon release.

The Carnivore class is a type of Reaver Titan (Along with the Hun and Vandal) which called for type of Weapon loadout. The Warlords had names like the Deathbringer, Nemesis, Eclipse and Nightgaunt which were supposed to represent loadouts for long range, close support, etc. At least, that's what they were back in the mists of time of 1988! FW could, of course, be changing the designation and naming.

Reading the FW HH books they are different chassis within a class now, Mars being one type of chassis with Mars Reaver, Warhound, etc. and these being different. There is also a smaller Warhound mentioned but not named in Book 3.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Reading the FW HH books they are different chassis within a class now, Mars being one type of chassis with Mars Reaver, Warhound, etc. and these being different. There is also a smaller Warhound mentioned but not named in Book 3.

Well the Chassis are supposed to represent the Forgeworld of manufacture - Mars, Lucius, Metalicus, etc. Perhaps the naming is going along the lines of Warlord Class Titan, Mars Pattern, Nemesis Variant or some such. For example: Emperor Class Titan, Imperator (or Warmonger) variant and Mars Pattern. Though just had a quick flick through Conquest and found reference to a Maines class Titan alongside the known Nemesis, Carnivore and Nightgaunt.

Hopefully, FW will tidy up the naming convention or at least make it clearer.

Edit: Just posted on B&C on whether this is the Warlord or not:

Are we sure its not just a Knight Baron or Warden or whatever is there heavy ranged variant?

It is without a doubt ... I rang them [FW] they confirmed it ...

I have a problem understanding it, does Forgeworld say it is a Warlord? Or a Knight? Sorry, as a non-native speaker it really hard to make this out

Warhams-77 wrote:
I have a problem understanding it, does Forgeworld say it is a Warlord? Or a Knight? Sorry, as a non-native speaker it really hard to make this out

FW have said it is the Warlord

Awesome, thanks

what a great teaser, that music scared me, perfect looking model, whatever that is

It's identical to the ancient Adeptus Titanicus Warlord titans. I've found some art at El Descanso del Escriba. Luis doesn't like his images posted offsite, so I'll post a link instead.

http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/la-guerra-es-justalos-primeros-grifos.html

Makes me wonder if FW will be redoing their Warhounds to bring them in line with the old Adeptus Titanicus / Armorcast ones.

Great teaser...and what a fab beast this Warlord is!!
Now I'm scared at the thought how this translates into money.
Guess my creditcard gets mutilated!

Righto, Warlord it is. I wonder how many points it will be, because if so, it will make for an excellent candidate for the Leviathan force org chart.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Reading the FW HH books they are different chassis within a class now, Mars being one type of chassis with Mars Reaver, Warhound, etc. and these being different. There is also a smaller Warhound mentioned but not named in Book 3.

Well the Chassis are supposed to represent the Forgeworld of manufacture - Mars, Lucius, Metalicus, etc. Perhaps the naming is going along the lines of Warlord Class Titan, Mars Pattern, Nemesis Variant or some such. For example: Emperor Class Titan, Imperator (or Warmonger) variant and Mars Pattern. Though just had a quick flick through Conquest and found reference to a Maines class Titan alongside the known Nemesis, Carnivore and Nightgaunt.

Hopefully, FW will tidy up the naming convention or at least make it clearer.

Edit: Just posted on B&C on whether this is the Warlord or not:

Are we sure its not just a Knight Baron or Warden or whatever is there heavy ranged variant?

It is without a doubt ... I rang them [FW] they confirmed it ...

I'm happier that it is a Warlord, glad somebody checked

I read it as:
0) Class
a) Pattern/Chassis
1) Warhound
a) Mars Warhound*
b) Lucius Warhound*
c) etc.
2) Reaver
a) Mars Reaver*
b) Carnivore Reaver
c) etc.
3) Warlord
a) Mars Warlord*
b) Nemesis Warlord
c) etc.

* are already launched

A chassis can vary in height, and look, what is not clear if they can vary in number of weapon mount points.

So I expect we are taking about the same structure?

 Looky Likey wrote:
I'm happier that it is a Warlord, glad somebody checked

I read it as:
0) Class
a) Pattern/Chassis
1) Warhound
a) Mars Warhound*
b) Lucius Warhound*
c) etc.
2) Reaver
a) Mars Reaver*
b) Carnivore Reaver
c) etc.
3) Warlord
a) Mars Warlord*
b) Nemesis Warlord
c) etc.

* are already launched

A chassis can vary in height, and look, what is not clear if they can vary in number of weapon mount points.

So I expect we are taking about the same structure?

I think that's close, though the Forgeworld of manufacture is also a designation as it follows on from how other imperial equipment is named. So, you'd be looking at 3 levels of designation, something like Warlord Class, Mars Pattern, Nemesis Variant.

Okay so it is a Warlord. I do wish it didn't look like just an upscaled Knight still, but I'm probably alone in that.

Good stitch:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Okay so it is a Warlord. I do wish it didn't look like just an upscaled Knight still, but I'm probably alone in that.

It has a knight styled head, and a few other parts, certainly, but is clearly Titan styled. It's just that the plastic and then resin knights changed to be much closer to the look of the Mars titans, compared to the old epic models.


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 d-usa wrote:
Good stitch:

Better one:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Question is- which of you would actually go buy a Warlord?! Lol.

Not I. The Reaver is too much for my blood.

Holy crap it does look massive. It'll probably grow on me hugely when I see more angles and stuff, and it's all a moot point anyway because I'll probably never own one...

What are we guessing for the cost of it?

Happened to have my gaming headset plugged in whilst watching that teaser- epic, just pure epic, especially with the Warlord! Pity it will be a few years till I will be able to afford such a beast really. Looks like a great model! I wonder if it will have alternate helmet designs.


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Are both the arm guns the same? 2 quake cannons? They look similar certainly.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Holy crap it does look massive. It'll probably grow on me hugely when I see more angles and stuff, and it's all a moot point anyway because I'll probably never own one...

What are we guessing for the cost of it?

Full Reaver load out is: £604.50, full Warhound load out is £341, so I'd guess £949 for the Warlord?

Anything under a £1k and I'll buy one, more than that and it would depend on quality, sizing etc. I really want a Chaos version as all my other Titans are the Chaos versions, so depending on price I will either buy now or wait another 12 months or so.

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.

Good lord, after those stitches, it looks massive. If this costs less than £1,000 I'll be surprised.

Upps, around 1K would be a bit too much for me, as I won't be able to use it in games.:(
But as I already have quite some titans...will have to see some pics first.

OK, definitely a Warlord as those legs really give it away.

Love it!

Love the Old School Feel!

So happy we didn't get the boxy battletechy crappy version!

Shame we couldn't get a real Stormhammer.




The Warlord looks great.

I doubt it will be as large as it looks. :( it looks like it has been sized up digitally. I hope it's gigantic though.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I doubt it will be as large as it looks. :( it looks like it has been sized up digitally. I hope it's gigantic though.

Yes, I'm hoping it's a bit of a perspective trick and won't be that huge. Those leg joints will have to bear some weight - pins are a must

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shame we couldn't get a real Stormhammer.

Forgeworld has a tendency to make multiple variants of all imperial tanks, we have a 30k solar auxilia stormhammer, I expect a 40k version at some point.

Between eldar yesterday and the warlord today, it's been a great week so far.

Love the warlord, I don't think I'll ever buy one, maybe forgeworld raffles will be for a warlord from now on, that would be the only way I could get one, or use that excuse if the wife finds out I caved in and got one.

So... we can expect an Emperor in ~2025?

midget_overlord wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shame we couldn't get a real Stormhammer.

Forgeworld has a tendency to make multiple variants of all imperial tanks, we have a 30k solar auxilia stormhammer, I expect a 40k version at some point.

I hope so - and a '40K' Stormhammer might be more 'boxy' and look a lot more like what a 'real' Stormhammer should look like!

Haighus wrote:So... we can expect an Emperor in ~2025?

Never say never and all that, but an Imperator might be beyond FW even!

IIRC there had been a "kind of" one many years ago by Dreamforge, which got immediately shot down by GW.

So I definitely do believe that it is possible and that in a few years FW will be presenting one and it will shurely be a seller!

How much is the Warlord going to cost?

And never mind what an Imperator would cost!

WOW.

I..
But..
No..

Just WOW!

Well, the eldar D spam rumours make a bit of sense now, I mean, there needs to be one army at least that is capable of taking that thing down without brining one of their own and praying... Colossal.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Well, the eldar D spam rumours make a bit of sense now, I mean, there needs to be one army at least that is capable of taking that thing down without brining one of their own and praying... Colossal.

Well this is 30k so it's designed seperate from the 40k stuff.

The only question remaining is 'can I find a client bat-gak insane enough to commission one of these for what the job's worth?'.

I wonder which Legio it is? Appears to be blue and white heraldry, and I spy something that looks like three small triangles on a cog background on the knee of the Reaver.

I wish they would do Lucius pattern warlord. I don't like the beetle back.

It could very well be a Legio that is destroyed during the campaign. FW mentioned they wanted to tackle either the destruction of a Legio or a Knightly Order during the Heresy and it would happen in one of the two upcoming books.

 BrookM wrote:
It could very well be a Legio that is destroyed during the campaign. FW mentioned they wanted to tackle either the destruction of a Legio or a Knightly Order during the Heresy and it would happen in one of the two upcoming books.

That would make sense, I vaguely remember a Legio being mentioned in all the HH weekender stuff? They will get to at least partially do both when they get to a Mars book too, with the loyalist Legio Tempestus and Knights of Taranis.

 Laemos wrote:
I wish they would do Lucius pattern warlord. I don't like the beetle back.

MARS outsells LUCIUS by a significant margin, over in Warhound land.

Curvy beats boxy!

If you pause the video just before the reaver fades out you can see the gun of another Warlord to its left.

Not really sold on the head.

I seem to remember a recent Black Library book mentioning Legio Praesagius (True Messengers) appearing on Calth. Expect to see a near complete devastation of the Titan Legion...

 BrookM wrote:
It could very well be a Legio that is destroyed during the campaign. FW mentioned they wanted to tackle either the destruction of a Legio or a Knightly Order during the Heresy and it would happen in one of the two upcoming books.

I doubt this is going to be the dead one as this is the same paint job the Void runners use

 sonofruss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
It could very well be a Legio that is destroyed during the campaign. FW mentioned they wanted to tackle either the destruction of a Legio or a Knightly Order during the Heresy and it would happen in one of the two upcoming books.

I doubt this is going to be the dead one as this is the same paint job the Void runners use

Nah, it's not the Warp Runners - the blazon on the Titans don't feature the eclipsed sun - they seem to feature helmets and axes

 zedmeister wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
It could very well be a Legio that is destroyed during the campaign. FW mentioned they wanted to tackle either the destruction of a Legio or a Knightly Order during the Heresy and it would happen in one of the two upcoming books.

I doubt this is going to be the dead one as this is the same paint job the Void runners use

Nah, it's not the Warp Runners - the blazon on the Titans don't feature the eclipsed sun - they seem to feature helmets and axes

And the blue seems to be paler too. Also the Legio Astorum doesn't have any white on the models.

winterdyne wrote:
The only question remaining is 'can I find a client bat-gak insane enough to commission one of these for what the job's worth?'.

If I win the lottery, it's a deal!

Damn thats some lovely imagery

When i first saw it, thought it was some new kindof SuperKnight

Humm that carapace weapon looks to be a "Laser Blaster" and not a "Turbo Laser Destroyer". That would be a good size power boost for Warlords.

When was the last time an Apocalypse book had Warlord rules in it? Might give us a vague idea of general stats.

I want the Plasma Destructor!

 ImAGeek wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Well, the eldar D spam rumours make a bit of sense now, I mean, there needs to be one army at least that is capable of taking that thing down without brining one of their own and praying... Colossal.

Well this is 30k so it's designed seperate from the 40k stuff.

Not necessarily. There is some cross over between the 30k range and the 40k, such as the knight titan variants.
Keep in mind that the first edition of apocalypse had rules for the warlord.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well if it is a Warlord, I'm not impressed. Just a bigger Knight is not what I envisioned.

You're looking at it wrong. The Warlord is behind and above the knight. That gigantic cannon isn't the Knight, it's a bigger titan standing behind it.

EDIT NVM, seems to be a prototype older Warlord.

 BrookM wrote:
A.. a new Knight variant?

edit.



GLORIOUS.

So whos gonna buy one?

Wow. Just wow. That thing is absolutely gorgeous! I can't imagine how much it would cost, but hell, I can see why people would be tempted to put down the cash for it.

So... Does anybody want to donate to the "Let's Buy Hotrod a Warlord Titan Fund"?

Here you go... $20 or so. Most places have it on sale right now. It's 24" tall... perfect, right?

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Watch the video again. You know you want to. http://plasticmotorpool.blogspot.com/2015/04/forge-world-new-titan-preview.html

 Alpharius wrote:
I want the Plasma Destructor!

Me too, and more background for Legio Crucius. Gotta love the plasma FW

 whalemusic360 wrote:
When was the last time an Apocalypse book had Warlord rules in it? Might give us a vague idea of general stats.

First apoc book 2500 pts
14F 14S 13 R 9 structure points
6 Void shields
pg 124

So if they go by 3 HP per SP we are looking at 18 HP

Chances are FW will have a go with those rules and make it something of their own.

Wow, now those crazy people with Tau mantas can face off against something that can occupy the other half of the table.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Not really sold on the head.

I agree. It looks too much like a Castigator.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

Spoiler:

Here you go... $20 or so. Most places have it on sale right now. It's 24" tall... perfect, right?

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Stop click-bait linking to your blog in every post, if you want to link to your blog simply put it in your signature.


Whilst I actually like what I see in the clip, I just don't get why they are making this, I really hope they sell enough for this to be profitable.

 OneManNoodles wrote:
I just don't get why they are making this

Because they can.

I really hope they sell enough for this to be profitable.

If GW is smart about it then it doesn't really matter if it's profitable. A model like this is a prestige project, you do it to show how awesome your game is, not because you expect to make a ton of money directly. You just want people to look at it and say "wow, I want to play a game with things like that". And maybe you even get them to think "well, I can't afford a titan, but maybe my budget can include a Baneblade".

 Peregrine wrote:

 OneManNoodles wrote:
I just don't get why they are making this

Because they can.

I really hope they sell enough for this to be profitable.

If GW is smart about it then it doesn't really matter if it's profitable. A model like this is a prestige project, you do it to show how awesome your game is, not because you expect to make a ton of money directly. You just want people to look at it and say "wow, I want to play a game with things like that". And maybe you even get them to think "well, I can't afford a titan, but maybe my budget can include a Baneblade".

Precisely, think along the lines of VW & Audi when they had Bugatti make the Veyron, they lost £4m on each car, but hey, it and those companies will struggle to be forgotton in the next 100, maybe 200 years.

Maybe they just want to put one in each 'flagship store' so the teens (amongst others!) have something to drool about.

 sonofruss wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
When was the last time an Apocalypse book had Warlord rules in it? Might give us a vague idea of general stats.

First apoc book 2500 pts
14F 14S 13 R 9 structure points
6 Void shields
pg 124

So if they go by 3 HP per SP we are looking at 18 HP

27 hull points. Plus 6 void shields.

 whalemusic360 wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
When was the last time an Apocalypse book had Warlord rules in it? Might give us a vague idea of general stats.

First apoc book 2500 pts
14F 14S 13 R 9 structure points
6 Void shields
pg 124

So if they go by 3 HP per SP we are looking at 18 HP

27 hull points. Plus 6 void shields.

It will not Die

 sonofruss wrote:
It will not Die

Oh, it will die. You'll only be able to use it in Apocalypse games, which means the other side is going to have plenty of D-weapons to kill it with. A Warlord titan is almost never going to survive the first shooting phase.

That is a beautiful looking model! I do hope it has some head variants though, as of now it just looks like a big Knight.

Not sure anyone would actually buy the thing if it's going to cost $1500ish but then it will probably just be cast to order like the Manta.

Wow. Must get another job to buy one.

 Peregrine wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:
It will not Die

Oh, it will die. You'll only be able to use it in Apocalypse games, which means the other side is going to have plenty of D-weapons to kill it with. A Warlord titan is almost never going to survive the first shooting phase.

That depends on the other side having the D weapons and or choosing not to shoot my Reaver and Warhound too Titans are a go big or go home kinda thing if all my opponents big guns are shooting my big walking monster my other big walking monsters are free to let loose and take them out.

This is not the Prospero for which I was looking.

Its such a large divergence from current warlord pictures.. Looks more like a big Knight. It even has Knight iconography, could simply be a Knight that is closer to the camera.

 Peregrine wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:
It will not Die

Oh, it will die. You'll only be able to use it in Apocalypse games, which means the other side is going to have plenty of D-weapons to kill it with. A Warlord titan is almost never going to survive the first shooting phase.

Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.


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 Kirasu wrote:
Its such a large divergence from current warlord pictures.. Looks more like a big Knight. It even has Knight iconography, could simply be a Knight that is closer to the camera.

That's what I thought, but a crushing majority says I'm wrong.

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No way I can't see this having updated, official 40k rules almost as soon as it launches. In fact I would be suprised if they didn't post the rules on the site as experimental.

Does anybody remember when the Reaver came out and if the majority of the weapons launched with it, or did they trickle out?

 Kirasu wrote:
Its such a large divergence from current warlord pictures.. Looks more like a big Knight. It even has Knight iconography, could simply be a Knight that is closer to the camera.

Glad it's not just me that thinks it just looks like a big Knight and not like a Warlord.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No, this one waves away the Lord of War restrictions and makes it an army of its own, complete with its own warlord trait.

With the option of two other lords of war as backup (albeit they are limited to 25%)

In fact, a Venatarii maniple (a Reaver and two Warhounds) is a perfectly legal 3,000 point army.

It'll be nice to see if this is a fair pairing for a warlord. The previous version was 2,500 points or so, but kind of underpowered for its stats compared to the reaver - since it only gained two shields and a single 'scout-weight" weapon. Since this version appears to mount "battle-weight" weapons even in the carapace, thats a whole different animal - even assuming the arm guns are also "battle-weights", that's twelve destroyer shots per turn (if they were all triple turbolasers) - enough to reliably kill two undamaged warhound titans in a single salvo!

To be honest, I love the model - I love all the titan models - but I'd really love to see some more detail put into titan-on-titan fights! Now we can essentially do a 2-3 engine Adeptus titanicus game in 40k scale, it'd be nice if there were enough detail in the superheavy rules to support it...

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Which, thankfully, is 30k-only and explicitly requires your opponent to agree to let you use a special variant FOC instead of the normal one. You're never going to see a Warlord used that way except maybe as an occasional screwing around game where everyone knows it will probably be unbalanced.

 Kirasu wrote:
Its such a large divergence from current warlord pictures.. Looks more like a big Knight. It even has Knight iconography, could simply be a Knight that is closer to the camera.

I like how it's taking the original style and design of the old Warlords, Reaver and Warhounds and modernising them. In fact, the recent GW Knight and Skitarii releases have details and embellishments that match and tie in the Titans of Forgeworld as well as some of the old releases and art. The head has a look that reminds me of the one of the original Warlord heads, the fleur de lys style motifs in the armour is definitely not a new thing - look at the original Warhound for example. I'd argue that the blocky Lucius, although iconic in its own right, is such a divergence from the established Titan look (and was released during Epic 3rd Edition debacle which messerd around with the look a little too much).

Though, I'd also say, this could be a FW photoshop of a pre-production model. So it is entirely plausible that some of the detail may be changed for the finished model.

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Edit: as an aside, I wonder what the interior detail will be like. Amniotic tank for the Princeps? 4 Moderati linked up to the MIU? The Techpreist out in the reactor room. It'll look glorious

Mr.Church13 wrote:
This is not the Prospero for which I was looking.

Book 7, I'm afraid.

 BrookM wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No, this one waves away the Lord of War restrictions and makes it an army of its own, complete with its own warlord trait.

Would be fun to play on a grassy field board and outflank with it. Just imagine the battlefield chatter from that battle.

Trooper 1: "moving forward through the field. Visibility 2 miles. No contact."

Thundering boom as the Titan comes in from the side of the board

Trooper 2: "where the did that come from?"
Trooper 1 "he must have been hiding behind that cow back there "

 Theophony wrote:

Would be fun to play on a grassy field board and outflank with it. Just imagine the battlefield chatter from that battle.

Trooper 1: "moving forward through the field. Visibility 2 miles. No contact."

Thundering boom as the Titan comes in from the side of the board

Trooper 2: "where the did that come from?"
Trooper 1 "he must have been hiding behind that cow back there "

Hush you! Your spoiling the new Titan for us. Don't bring up the fact that in 40k, Titans with Kilometre ranged weapons fight within the range of small arms and Deathstrike ICBM launchers are front line tanks where they can be axed by baddies. Go play Epic if you want to depict Titans properly

As an aside, in ages past, Forgeworld were rumoured to be re-making Adeptus Titanicus in 6mm scale. Will Hayes even started sculpting a 6mm articulated Warhound Titan. Oh, what a glorious game that would've been
Damn you GW and your scrapping of specialist games

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Its such a large divergence from current warlord pictures.. Looks more like a big Knight. It even has Knight iconography, could simply be a Knight that is closer to the camera.

Glad it's not just me that thinks it just looks like a big Knight and not like a Warlord.

It looks a LOT like the 'original' Warlords:



An this is a good thing!

Yeah you're right, Im just going off the more recent pictures of Warlord titans.

It could be a warlord then if Forgeworld is going in the direction of "Old epic and old RT is actually heresy era"

Well, the old Epic game (Space Marine) did take place during the Heresy/Scouring anyways.

Saying that though Kirasu, it could also just be a case of being dependant on the Forge World it came from.

locarno24 wrote:With the option of two other lords of war as backup (albeit they are limited to 25%)

In fact, a Venatarii maniple (a Reaver and two Warhounds) is a perfectly legal 3,000 point army.

It'll be nice to see if this is a fair pairing for a warlord. The previous version was 2,500 points or so, but kind of underpowered for its stats compared to the reaver - since it only gained two shields and a single 'scout-weight" weapon. Since this version appears to mount "battle-weight" weapons even in the carapace, thats a whole different animal - even assuming the arm guns are also "battle-weights", that's twelve destroyer shots per turn (if they were all triple turbolasers) - enough to reliably kill two undamaged warhound titans in a single salvo!

To be honest, I love the model - I love all the titan models - but I'd really love to see some more detail put into titan-on-titan fights! Now we can essentially do a 2-3 engine Adeptus titanicus game in 40k scale, it'd be nice if there were enough detail in the superheavy rules to support it...

BrookM wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No, this one waves away the Lord of War restrictions and makes it an army of its own, complete with its own warlord trait.

That is awesome, as that is how I'd probably run it, Warlord, Reaver, 2 Warhounds and 9 knights.

So maybe we can say that the Knights look like Warlords....

 Kirasu wrote:
Yeah you're right, Im just going off the more recent pictures of Warlord titans.

It could be a warlord then if Forgeworld is going in the direction of "Old epic and old RT is actually heresy era"

The original epic "Space Marine" was set during the HH.

 zedmeister wrote:
as an aside, I wonder what the interior detail will be like. Amniotic tank for the Princeps? 4 Moderati linked up to the MIU? The Techpreist out in the reactor room. It'll look glorious

I think it is possible for Warlords to still be controlled by the standard MIU, from reading Mechanicus, but I reckon your right with that FW will use this opportunity to make the first Titan with the amniotic tank. On the other hand, the tank would be much harder to model in a way that looks right IMO. I thought Warlords had 2 Moderati still though? Don't Emperors have 4?

For the people wanting more realistic combat, bringing back the old Apocalypse 1st Edition Superheavy damage table would help somewhat. It annoys me that the fluff description for a Shadowsword states that it is capable of blowing the arm clean off a Titan... except Titans can't have weapon destroyed results, because they are Superheavies.

 Haighus wrote:

For the people wanting more realistic combat, bringing back the old Apocalypse 1st Edition Superheavy damage table would help somewhat. It annoys me that the fluff description for a Shadowsword states that it is capable of blowing the arm clean off a Titan... except Titans can't have weapon destroyed results, because they are Superheavies.

Agreed on the damage. Str D weapons should be able to blow off legs, arms and whatnot off Superheavies. Also, Adeptus Titanicus and Epic 2nd edition had great damage charts. In far too many games I've had (or caused) a Titan arm to be blown off, USS Reliant style, and have it pinwheel into a tank formation or group of infantry. The original Adeptus Titanicus was brilliant as well. For example where, if you get a reactor damage, you'd have to put your Titan into shutdown to prevent the meltdown until you could self-repair

Well time to sell the car and get one of those.

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Well time to sell the car and get one of those.

I'd bet dimes to doughnuts it will cost more than I paid for my current car.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No way I can't see this having updated, official 40k rules almost as soon as it launches. In fact I would be suprised if they didn't post the rules on the site as experimental.

Does anybody remember when the Reaver came out and if the majority of the weapons launched with it, or did they trickle out?

Reaver came out with Gatling Blaster, Laser Blaster, and Apoc Missile Launcher (and at the time, you bought entire kits with the weapons included, not a la carte weapons)
Melta Cannon and power fist came out about a year later. Volcano Cannon and Chain fist came out earlier this year, and now the turbolaser carapace mount is out, albeit as part of the primus redoubt. Still missing the VMB, Inferno cannon, plasma blastgun, and vortex support missile carapace mounts, and it appears that the original plan for the Reaver and Warlord to share weapons has been abandoned, as the Warlord volcano cannon looks much more detailed than the Reaver one.

 godswildcard wrote:
So maybe we can say that the Knights look like Warlords....

This. The Jes redesign of the Knight in 28mm takes a lot of cues from the Epic Warlord models, blending them with the original knight paladin look.
I do wish that the Warlord head was more the style of the Lucius pattern, rather than the Grey Kniht Terminator look it has, but I'm hoping it has head options. I recall discussing that idea with Will Hayes a few years back, alon with the idea of an amniotic tank princeps and a female princeps. For the price of the Warlord, it would be nice if it came with a few princeps options, instead of just a princeps and an empty chair option.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or you can use the Leviathan force org chart provided with the Crusade Army list red book.

Does that still have the 25% on LoW restriction? If so, that's a very big game

No way I can't see this having updated, official 40k rules almost as soon as it launches. In fact I would be suprised if they didn't post the rules on the site as experimental.

Does anybody remember when the Reaver came out and if the majority of the weapons launched with it, or did they trickle out?

Reaver came out with Gatling Blaster, Laser Blaster, and Apoc Missile Launcher (and at the time, you bought entire kits with the weapons included, not a la carte weapons)
Melta Cannon and power fist came out about a year later. Volcano Cannon and Chain fist came out earlier this year, and now the turbolaser carapace mount is out, albeit as part of the primus redoubt. Still missing the VMB, Inferno cannon, plasma blastgun, and vortex support missile carapace mounts, and it appears that the original plan for the Reaver and Warlord to share weapons has been abandoned, as the Warlord volcano cannon looks much more detailed than the Reaver one.

Much appreciated, so I'd guess that we get similar with the Warlord, at least that will keep the inital cost down. Still amazes me with the numbers of Reavers they have sold that they haven't fleshed out the extra weapons as it seems an easy project.

 OneManNoodles wrote:


Stop click-bait linking to your blog in every post, if you want to link to your blog simply put it in your signature.

It's only "click-bait" if you click it and don't like what you find there. Heck, in a hobby dominated by "blogs" like Spikey Bits, BOLS, Beasts of War, and Talk Wargaming, dropping two or three links in a forum is hardly abusive.

But far be it from me to want to ruin your Dakka experience, so I'm done linking... at least on this thread.

IIRC, clicks are disabled here, so you can spam it all you want, but you won't get those precious +1's.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still missing the VMB, Inferno cannon, plasma blastgun, and vortex support missile carapace mounts, and it appears that the original plan for the Reaver and Warlord to share weapons has been abandoned, as the Warlord volcano cannon looks much more detailed than the Reaver one.

It is possible that the Reaver weapons will instead be capable of mounting on the carapace of the Warlord, seeing as it has a Laser Blaster up top that looks very similar to the Reaver version.

Yeah, the Warhound weapons can probably be rigged to fit on top, but would have been much effort for them to make a single large missile to stick on the mount?

The Warhound's weapons will fit straight on top of the Reaver's mounting point using the "adapter" part that comes with the Reaver's Apoc launcher. However I think they do not look quite right and would prefer a proper version.

 Haighus wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
as an aside, I wonder what the interior detail will be like. Amniotic tank for the Princeps? 4 Moderati linked up to the MIU? The Techpreist out in the reactor room. It'll look glorious

I think it is possible for Warlords to still be controlled by the standard MIU, from reading Mechanicus, but I reckon your right with that FW will use this opportunity to make the first Titan with the amniotic tank. On the other hand, the tank would be much harder to model in a way that looks right IMO. I thought Warlords had 2 Moderati still though? Don't Emperors have 4?

For the people wanting more realistic combat, bringing back the old Apocalypse 1st Edition Superheavy damage table would help somewhat. It annoys me that the fluff description for a Shadowsword states that it is capable of blowing the arm clean off a Titan... except Titans can't have weapon destroyed results, because they are Superheavies.

We play the rules listed in Betrayal (or is it massacre?) That D weapons and Melta can cause weapon destroyed on super heavies and it makes the game much more interesting having crippled god engines fighting till there last breath.

 Looky Likey wrote:
The Warhound's weapons will fit straight on top of the Reaver's mounting point using the "adapter" part that comes with the Reaver's Apoc launcher. However I think they do not look quite right and would prefer a proper version.

What adapter piece? I got my Reaver when it came with the default weapon loadout, and it didn't have an adapter.

 Haighus wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still missing the VMB, Inferno cannon, plasma blastgun, and vortex support missile carapace mounts, and it appears that the original plan for the Reaver and Warlord to share weapons has been abandoned, as the Warlord volcano cannon looks much more detailed than the Reaver one.

It is possible that the Reaver weapons will instead be capable of mounting on the carapace of the Warlord, seeing as it has a Laser Blaster up top that looks very similar to the Reaver version.

Yeah, the Warhound weapons can probably be rigged to fit on top, but would have been much effort for them to make a single large missile to stick on the mount?

Just held my laser blaster up to the picture of the warlord. Three barrels are the same, though the single barrel is on top. The body of the gun is different though, clearly a different trim/shell piece because the gun is mounted "upside down" relative to the arm laser blaster on the reaver.

The arm Volcano cannons are clearly different from the Reaver- much more detailed, and seem to have a left/right distinction rather than universal like the Reaver arms. Arm mounts look to be more of a pain to magnetize as well, not the simple joint of the reaver but arotating joint at the top of the gun, and a much more complicated shoulder mount.

Hope it comes out with more than just a "all laser" loadout. I'd love to get it with a Volcano Cannon, Gatling blaster, laser blaster and apoc missile launcher.

Yeah, I agree having inspected the Laser Blaster closer, the Reaver one has a much closer fitting weapon shell than the Warlord's.

I would really like it to have a Plasma Destructor option personally

Personally think that's a pair of quake cannons and not a volcano cannon. And if you check the vid again, you'll see as the rReaver is shown, there's a snippet of a Warlord to the left of it - looks like it's head is level with the Reaver's Apocalypse Launcer if the position of the arm weapon lines up about the same

They really need to introduce tiers of Strength D so that rate of fire/template size isn't the only improvement. I second the notion that there needs to be more complexity in the Titan rules. It's just so much more interesting, befitting a much more interesting model.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
They really need to introduce tiers of Strength D so that rate of fire/template size isn't the only improvement. I second the notion that there needs to be more complexity in the Titan rules. It's just so much more interesting, befitting a much more interesting model.

Yeah, the old Defense Laser rules had a Strength D weapon that was only improved over a Volcano Cannon (Warlord class) by having AP1 instead of AP2 and infinite range (vs 240"). Apparently it is powerful enough to drive off spacecraft in low orbit, but struggles to harm a Titan...

The model looks ace from a technical standpoint, however, does look a like like an upsized Knight (much moreso than the other two Titans), which is a little disappointing.

The FW Titans appear to have diverged a bit from their Epic incarnations. The GW Knight is actually much closer to its Epic incarnation, that one at least had curved armor and hemispherical shoulders while the Titans were much more blocky, making most scratchbuilds actually appear more accurate.

That said, it looks to be a nice kit, I'd love to see more pics of it.

I'm really curious as to how much it will cost however

If you go back far enough, this Warlord Titan looks a lot more like...the first Epic Scale Warlord Titan!

Still looks like a Knight to me looking at the legs and overall design, warlord titans have massive legs, could it be a Warden imp. Knight?

I guess we're not looking at the same picture?

Or it is all a matter of...





perspective.

The problem with it going back to its roots is that the new Knights are designed after those same roots. In modern 40k, Knights have "claimed" that aesthetic, so the Warlord looking like its old Epic model means it looks out-of-theme when compared to the rest of the modern Titans, instead looking like a massive Knight.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Still looks like a Knight to me looking at the legs and overall design, warlord titans have massive legs, could it be a Warden imp. Knight?

That's what I'm quietly hoping for as well in all honesty.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
The Warhound's weapons will fit straight on top of the Reaver's mounting point using the "adapter" part that comes with the Reaver's Apoc launcher. However I think they do not look quite right and would prefer a proper version.

What adapter piece? I got my Reaver when it came with the default weapon loadout, and it didn't have an adapter.

Top right of this picture, it fits into lid of the reaver and the bottom of the launcher (comes with the launcher obv), needs a little bit of trimming on the top to fit in a warhound weapon. Mine is magantised.

 BrookM wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Still looks like a Knight to me looking at the legs and overall design, warlord titans have massive legs, could it be a Warden imp. Knight?

That's what I'm quietly hoping for as well in all honesty.

Other than it doesn't look like ANY previous epic model or artwork that I can find/remember about Knight Wardens, but DOES look exceedingly similar to the Epic Mars pattern warlord, just updated? I'll be the first to hold my hands up if I'm wrong, but seriously, it's a bl**dy Warlord!

 Looky Likey wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
The Warhound's weapons will fit straight on top of the Reaver's mounting point using the "adapter" part that comes with the Reaver's Apoc launcher. However I think they do not look quite right and would prefer a proper version.

What adapter piece? I got my Reaver when it came with the default weapon loadout, and it didn't have an adapter.

Top right of this picture, it fits into lid of the reaver and the bottom of the launcher (comes with the launcher obv), needs a little bit of trimming on the top to fit in a warhound weapon. Mine is magantised.

Yea if you want to pay $80 for the apoc launcher just to destroy the apoc launchers pivot point so you can put another gun on it go ahead I will just wait for the correct gun mounts and continue using my apoc launcher, in one game it killed 5 tanks.

The Warhound guns have a ball & socket joint.


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 Haighus wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
as an aside, I wonder what the interior detail will be like. Amniotic tank for the Princeps? 4 Moderati linked up to the MIU? The Techpreist out in the reactor room. It'll look glorious

I think it is possible for Warlords to still be controlled by the standard MIU, from reading Mechanicus, but I reckon your right with that FW will use this opportunity to make the first Titan with the amniotic tank. On the other hand, the tank would be much harder to model in a way that looks right IMO. I thought Warlords had 2 Moderati still though? Don't Emperors have 4?

For the people wanting more realistic combat, bringing back the old Apocalypse 1st Edition Superheavy damage table would help somewhat. It annoys me that the fluff description for a Shadowsword states that it is capable of blowing the arm clean off a Titan... except Titans can't have weapon destroyed results, because they are Superheavies.

Warlords have the Princeps a driver in the chin two Moderati and a junior officer training to be a Princeps and a Tecpriest with 4 servitors controlling the weapons according to Titanicus

You can saw the top half of the pivot point off from the mount point, then using magnets you can swap between the ball joint for the arms and the pivot point, which in turn can be magantised for different weapons on the top.

new Bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles?page=1


ending/get'em while you can bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/LAST_CHANCE_BUNDLES

 reds8n wrote:
new Bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles?page=1


ending/get'em while you can bundles

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/LAST_CHANCE_BUNDLES

Oh man, is that their "new release" this week?

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The problem with it going back to its roots is that the new Knights are designed after those same roots. In modern 40k, Knights have "claimed" that aesthetic, so the Warlord looking like its old Epic model means it looks out-of-theme when compared to the rest of the modern Titans, instead looking like a massive Knight.

I'm not actually seeing this as a 'problem' at all.

I'm also really glad that this thing:



isn't making an appearance.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Still looks like a Knight to me looking at the legs and overall design, warlord titans have massive legs, could it be a Warden imp. Knight?

A guy over on B&C rang up FW and they confirmed it was a warlord.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Still looks like a Knight to me looking at the legs and overall design, warlord titans have massive legs, could it be a Warden imp. Knight?

A guy over on B&C rang up FW and they confirmed it was a warlord.

Was he wearing a redshirt and working at the local GW store? Really, when was the last time we took someone posting something on the Internet word for gospel.

I think it's a warlord too. But throwing this out every time doesn't make it so. When we see a forgeworld press release or it up on the website then it can be confirmed.

Also I couldn't find "A Guy" on the rumor tracker done by Pretre.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm also really glad that this thing:



isn't making an appearance.

What don't you like about that pattern of Warlord?

It is pretty cool looking, but not as good as the Mars pattern IMO. I also do not know why people feel the Mars pattern Warlord doesn't fit stylistically with the other Mars Pattern titans? They all share the extremely hunched poster with layered, curved armour plates. Personally I just think this version of the Warlord looks better, and it isn't exactly new either. Also the helmet-like head is a pretty original feature too.

I think the new one is a different pattern so the can make it at the smaller end of the sizes of Warlord and still leave room for a bigger Mars pattern later if this one sells one. Total guess on my part obviously.

I've got nothing against the Mars pattern warlords as they stand. I just prefer the other (Lucius?) pattern of warlord.


To me



is far more imposing and "godlike" then





the hunched over beetleback Mars pattern.

 Alpharius wrote:


I'm also really glad that this thing:



isn't making an appearance.

haha me too !!
I always hated the look of those things.

I am really not looking forward to seeing the price however.

999 British Pound Moneys is Kronk's WAG*!

*Wild Ass Guess

Put me down firmly in the "I prefer boxy" warlord camp as well. My dislike though stems from seeing this



and being unable to unsee this



years ago.

Dual Plasma Destructors!

Ha!

The ONLY acceptable Warlord variant for me was this one:



Now yes, I realize that opinions and tastes will differ!

But the Boxy McBattletech version doesn't work for me at all - it moves too far away from what's been established and doesn't look like it fits with the Warhound or Reaver at all.

I think it also comes from the era when GW foolishly tried to re-do the Eldar Titans too - and you remember how well that turned out, don't you?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
Dual Plasma Destructors!

Ha!

The ONLY acceptable Warlord variant for me was this one:



Now yes, I realize that opinions and tastes will differ!

But the Boxy McBattletech version doesn't work for me at all - it moves too far away from what's been established and doesn't look like it fits with the Warhound or Reaver at all.

I think it also comes from the era when GW foolishly tried to re-do the Eldar Titans too - and you remember how well that turned out, don't you?!?

I quite liked that variant as well. The Metalicus pattern Warlord.

Right! That's it! All this talk of Titans has pushed me over the edge. I'm starting a new modelling project. I've got a truckload of old Epic Titans of various classes and weapons, most of them unpainted. Time to break out the paints, my Adeptus Titancus and Codex Titanicus books and set up a Horus Heresy Campaign. Time for Engine War!

PM me a link to your thread when you've got it up and running!

 Alpharius wrote:
PM me a link to your thread when you've got it up and running!

Oh no, the gauntlet's been thrown now! Me and my big mouth. Fine, I'll see if I can rustle together the first steps this coming week

Once again why oh why did I ever get rid of Titan Legions and Space Marine when I was a kid :( If only I could go back in time and slap myself.

Daston wrote:
Once again why oh why did I ever get rid of Titan Legions and Space Marine when I was a kid :( If only I could go back in time and slap myself.

I think that same thing quite a bit too... So sad... Tears in rain now though, right?

Bah, just play normal 40k. It's practically the same as epic with this edition in scale!

Wait... wasn't the Raven Guard stuff supposed to be out like last week???

 Alpharius wrote:

Daston wrote:
Once again why oh why did I ever get rid of Titan Legions and Space Marine when I was a kid :( If only I could go back in time and slap myself.

I think that same thing quite a bit too... So sad... Tears in rain now though, right?

My tears are that I missed out on Titan Legions and the walking castle. they are going for between $100 - 150 on febay

 The_Blackadder wrote:
Is there a Mars pattern Warlord in your future?



Seems the buzz is that FW will be releasing a Mars Warlord in the first half of this year according to:

http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2015/04/soooooo-who-is-up-for-warlord-titan.html?showComment=1429094217110#c3746920820961701592

unless this is the cruelest April fools joke imaginable. Now why they were keeping this a secret is beyond comprehension because unless you're independently wealth you're going to have to save up to buy one of these because the projected price will be around £914 (1351.86 US Dollars); hope that includes weapons.


The good news is it appears 1.5 to 2.0 times taller than the Reaver Titan judging by the main gun showing
in the Reaver image:



so my Lucius Warlord is in the same ball park:


http://i.imgur.com/kFFEZGs.jpg


plus it's a Mars so there's no conflict there.........

Well I've already got a Warlord and I applaud the new FW Warlord release and I would love to have one but there are enough IG titans so I'm holding out for a Chaos version.

Blackadder's attempt to build a Dave Smith Warlord titan:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1560/300245.page#7754767

I prefer the Mars pattern for just about everything to do with Titans...but for me the Lucius pattern is what comes to mind when someone says "Warlord", probably because of my younger self's eager consumption of the old Imperius Dictatio comics.

Daston wrote:
Once again why oh why did I ever get rid of Titan Legions and Space Marine when I was a kid :( If only I could go back in time and slap myself.

My problem was I was so young when they came out, I put the models together and used them like action figures. They're all busted up and destroyed :(

I actually really like most of the titan variants. The Mars Warhound and Reaver (and now Warlord) from FW, the Lucius and Metalicus epic warlords, and even the Lucius warhound and reaver from FW. I don't like the old plastic beetlebacks, or the old do warhounds thouh, and the epic reavers were pretty bad. It's amazing how much better Will Hayes was able to make those old designs look when he did the FW Mars patterns.

I'd join in the Titan Legion painting project (I have about 25 titans in epic, including 2 or 3 Imperators, and about 40 Knights) but my new goal is to finish up painting my Warhound and Reaver from FW before their big brother arrives for me to build.

It's weird. When I design stuff it's 95% of the time organic to the point it's almost Art Nouveau, but when it comes to the titan designs I like the lucius geometric designs over the mars' smooth ones.

I'm guessing the Warlord is going to be unveiled alongside Tempest, which is supposed to be the Warhammer World Grand reopening or something along those lines IIRC? How far in the future is that looking?

Not long now, end of the month IIRC.

Ooh that means we could get to see it in all it's glory quite soon then

Never thought the Warlord would be coming so soon. Probably not going to be a model I'll ever own, but I think it's awesome they're finally making one.

Pretty Sure It's a Warlord:

Someone on the BoLS newsletter

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/04/new-titan-forge-worlds-teaser.html

went to a lot of trouble pasting together frames of the short video to give a composite image of the new FW Titan shown here.

http://i.imgur.com/zTRfHQo.jpg


Granted it's in the foreground of the Reaver but still it dwarfs the Reaver by almost double allowing for perspective.

Mebbe my Warlord isn't so outlandishly huge after all............

Still searching for the full painting.

And once again BOLS is late to the party, thank you Larry!

This was already shown and discussed several pages and several days ago!

 BrookM wrote:
And once again BOLS is late to the party, thank you Larry!

This was already shown and discussed several pages and several days ago!

Missed that, never mind...........

It's been posted a few pages back.

edit.

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When I’ve been out at events this year, such as Adepticon and the Horus Heresy Weekender, the Deredeo Dreadnought has been massively popular, and it’s no surprise that it’s been in Forge World’s top 10 products for the last few months. From what I’ve seen in the Forge World Studio this week, it looks like additional weapon options for the Deredeo are in the pipeline.

Looks better than the shot from the Weekender, although the guns are still a little longer than I'd like. Hopefully it'll have extended range over a normal plasma cannon to justify the longer guns.

I wonder if we'll see assault cannon, lascannon and conversion beamer versions?

 Looky Likey wrote:
Looks better than the shot from the Weekender, although the guns are still a little longer than I'd like. Hopefully it'll have extended range over a normal plasma cannon to justify the longer guns.

They had the exp. rules for it at the last event

2 fire modes

36 7 2 Heavy 4
or
36 7 2 Heavy 1 Gets Hot Large Blast

Ah I remember now, add on the launcher and you've a pretty potent elite MEQ killer.

Hasn't got a longer range, but I guess the weapons would be more accurate than plasma cannons (combines nicely in a fluff sense with the Deredeo's increased BS), and it would seem they are more reliable so long as they don't fire the overcharged shot.

It is also TWL.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
It is also TWL.

Yeah, that makes it more accurate in game terms, but the fluff-justification for that is it is simply easier to hit the target with more shots fired. What I meant was that there is no point having BS5, if you were firing a gun that couldn't accurately hit where you were aiming. In Game terms, this makes no difference, but it is nice from a fluff perspective to have a weapon that looks like it could be that accurate, rather than just the firer is somehow compensating for the spread of the weapon.

I was just looking something on the forgeworld homepage and i couldnt find the lucius pattern warhound body anymore. Are there some news about that or is it just supposed to be a temporal issue?

Apparently it has been pulled, something to do with the Mars outselling it 8 to 1?

The Warlord never ceased to impress after all these years



Whenever I start getting sick of the balancing discussions regarding 40k I take a look at the old Epic artworks and think people are getting the scope wrong. Relax and enjoy this fictional war - 40k is just a tool to create crazy battle scenes. "The universe is a big place" and all that... "Oh, power armor went 3+ and they already got T4 and the Shaken rule last year - those overpowered Marines"... "Those gargantuan Wraithknights and Scatbikers"

Ah Warlord Titans, shiny

Azeroth133 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Looks better than the shot from the Weekender, although the guns are still a little longer than I'd like. Hopefully it'll have extended range over a normal plasma cannon to justify the longer guns.

They had the exp. rules for it at the last event

2 fire modes

36 7 2 Heavy 4
or
36 7 2 Heavy 1 Gets Hot Large Blast

Is that for each weapon? So that's 8 twin linked plasma gun shots out to 36"?

I'm glad they're producing more weapons for the Dereodeo, makes me happy that I made the right choice in not gluing the autocannons on mine.

I assume thel the rules be updated and still be free when the plasma arms are released?

 Hoyt wrote:
I'm glad they're producing more weapons for the Dereodeo, makes me happy that I made the right choice in not gluing the autocannons on mine.

I assume thel the rules be updated and still be free when the plasma arms are released?

Until they are featured in an IA publication at which point the experimental rules will be taken down.

Chances are the Derpedeo will have its official rules published in the fifth Horus Heresy book.

 Melcavuk wrote:

 Hoyt wrote:
I'm glad they're producing more weapons for the Dereodeo, makes me happy that I made the right choice in not gluing the autocannons on mine.

I assume thel the rules be updated and still be free when the plasma arms are released?

Until they are featured in an IA publication at which point the experimental rules will be taken down.

They've been kind of lazy about taking the links to experimental rules down from their downloads page.

Oh ok, I wonder how many weapon sets they'll release before it goes in IA. Hopefully as we'll get a few more.

I also think the Deredeo should have it's points cost lowered in the final version, it's a bit too cheap ATM.

 Hoyt wrote:


I also think the Deredeo should have it's points cost lowered in the final version, it's a bit too cheap ATM.

Say what?

Yeah, I'm with Alpharius on that. Four TL, S8 shots with the ability to reroll failed armor pen rolls is nothing to sneeze at. If the points are going to drop, then some of those abilities need to drop, too.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Hoyt wrote:


I also think the Deredeo should have it's points cost lowered in the final version, it's a bit too cheap ATM.

Say what?

Whoops, I meant to write it should have it's points cost raised

Got a Salute e-mail through with this little gem:

I love the model, shame the rules are rubbish.

 Looky Likey wrote:
I love the model, shame the rules are rubbish.

It'd be better if you could create a squadron out of them. As it sits, taking 1 per heavy support slot in an Age of Darkness game is pointless. Might as well take a Sicaran Venator instead...

Syphid wrote:

Azeroth133 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Looks better than the shot from the Weekender, although the guns are still a little longer than I'd like. Hopefully it'll have extended range over a normal plasma cannon to justify the longer guns.

They had the exp. rules for it at the last event

2 fire modes

36 7 2 Heavy 4
or
36 7 2 Heavy 1 Gets Hot Large Blast

Is that for each weapon? So that's 8 twin linked plasma gun shots out to 36"?

Both arms amount to a single weapon system, just like the auto cannons.

Its the number of shots with the new Vindicator that causes me to completely forget about them, well rather the lack of them. If they gave it D3 shots I'd be much happier but a unit of 1 with 1 shot ain't going to do much.

I'd rather take a few Rapier Laser Destroyers than either the Vindicator or the Venator if I was struggling for something in that sort of role and couldn't ally in Mechanicum to get hold of a couple of Krios and a Lightning.

Yeah, with the cost of the laser Vindicator, well, for a few points more you might as well get a Sicaran Venator instead.

I wonder if FW plans to represent the attrition of war by raising the point cost of certain units as the Heresy progresses.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I wonder if FW plans to represent the attrition of war by raising the point cost of certain units as the Heresy progresses.

That or limit the amount of choices you can have in an army?

New stuff:

Deimos pattern Vindicator - £49.50


Hellfire Plasma Cannonade - £18


Legion Mark IV Command Upgrade - £9.50


Bunch of Raven Guard heads, pauldrons, and torsos:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKVI_TORSOS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKVI_HEADS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKII_SHOULDER_PADS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKIII_SHOULDER_PADS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKIV_SHOULDER_PADS.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/RAVEN_GUARD_MKVI_SHOULDER_PADS.html

And new rules for the Vindicator Laser Destroyer

An improvement, but still outclassed by the Sicaran Venator.

That's actually making it very close to worth taking for me now, stick a pair of them in a cover and you can more than likely remove a Spartan a turn.

The volley-fire option seems pretty cool. Nice for an alpha strike.

What's the Ordnance rule do again? I can't remember off the top of my head..

Roll 2D6 when penetrating armour and pick the highest.

Hmm I feel a need to expand my armoured column in my Dark Angels suddenly lol.

Good stuff for the Raven Guard (finally...). Some of the head and torso upgrades have been very hit and miss, these are most certainly the former. Love the helmet with the sculpted stripe, the head bare head is refreshingly normal and well sculpted, too (never a certainty with FW.

Hmm, I think I will now get the laser Vindicator, since it can fire up to three shots. I already have a regular Sicaran, so one or two of these alongside it could be fun.

I'm definitely wanting to try the new Vindicator. Not often you get that many high powered shots for the range in a Marine army.

That predator is surprisingly really darn good, might be good for my Chaos marines.

Yay Raven Guard.

Looks cool and the rules sound interesting. A 3 shot overheating lascannon that in effect rerolls misses and armor pen? That could work. My main marine army is almost all 2nd edition or earlier (like the RT design vehicles) and I have a rapier that I never did anything with. I'll have to test fit it and see if it fits in the barrel of my old vindicator since I don't think I'd evern make it into a thunderfire cannon like I had planned for years.

Something pointed out by Ponch160 on Warseer- per the rules, Grey Knights can take one. "Heavy Support choice for any Space Marine faction codex" which Codex: CSM defined as including Grey Knights.

Finally GK have some affordable ranged anti-tank.

New bulletin with the Warlord Titan leg...

FORGE WORLD BULLETIN 57

Salute 2015 was fantastic! This year was definitely the busiest we’ve ever been at the event, so a huge thank you to all of you who came to see us and went home with awesome new models, and to all the staff at Salute who helped make it such a great day. As you can see from the picture below, there were plenty of people waiting to get their hands on Forge World models and Event Exclusive merchandise. Whole fleets of Xiphon Interceptors made their way into people’s armies and the Thanatar-Calix was a must-have for Mechanicum players. If you’ve got an opponent with a Space Marine or Chaos Space Marine army who went to Salute, watch out as there may be a Deimos pattern Vindicator Laser Destroyer gunning for your armoured vehicles in your next game!


The Forge World team at Salute 2015.

If you didn't make it to Salute, don't worry. We'll be back at the Excel London from May 22nd-24th for the MCM London Comic Con with all of our awesome Event Exclusive merchandise and our latest kits and books.

There were plenty of questions asked at Salute about the latest video on the Forge World Visual Feed. I don’t have many answers for you yet, but I did manage to snap something under construction in the Forge World Studio recently. Take a look...


Building commences on something huge!


That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio.


Chris.

That foot is massive; Reaver foot vs. Marine:


I think we now have near 100% certainty that the Warlord is due at the open day next month.

I've been told the Warlord will sell for a grand (plus weapons of course), so that is probably and Hundred quids worth of resin in that foot alone!

That queue was a drag, but I'm sure it was easier for the chaps on the stand to make sales as they were quickly able to complete orders and get on to the next customer.

I preferred the old scrums though; I can't be the only one that likes close proximity to BO and the occasional Rucksack being thrust into you eye?

Jeeeesus. That thing is huge.

That's definitely going to need some metalwork to keep it intact

 notprop wrote:
I've been told the Warlord will sell for a grand

Assuming you mean one ye olde English grand that makes this thing even more expensive than thought, almost double in fact...

 Looky Likey wrote:
New stuff:

Deimos pattern Vindicator - £49.50

THAT is bloody lovely. I'm going to be all over that when Book 4 arrives.

Book 4 is already out and about.

 Commander Cain wrote:

 notprop wrote:
I've been told the Warlord will sell for a grand

Assuming you mean one ye olde English grand that makes this thing even more expensive than thought, almost double in fact...

£500 for the Warlord body would have been an out and out bargain as the Reaver body alone costs £438.

if the Warlord body is £1k alone then I'm not going to bother until the Chaos version arrives as it'll be around another £300 for the weapons.

Ye gods, they really are doing it.
I mean, it's one thing for there to just be artwork of a newly designed Warlord, but to actually see the physical evidence of the model itself like that, wow. After all, one could argue that it was just a digital design mockup used in that video's artwork, and not an actual model in the picture, but this, this makes it more real, somehow.

I wonder how solid most of it will be? They've clearly been using digital design for more of their recent stuff, and it's impressive how much of their newer vehicles are large, solid pieces (the sides of the Sicaran are, for example, one piece, tracks and all).

That is a big mamma-jamma.

I fear how big a model like that may cost. The manta may no longer be the most expensive FW toy.

winterdyne wrote:
That's definitely going to need some metalwork to keep it intact

Seconded.

Makes me glad i'd already planned on going for an ordinatus - this new titan is really going to push the hardship/enjoyment ratio of a build. (for me)

Is that meant to be anti-personnel heavy stubbers sticking out the legs or some other design feature?

alphaecho wrote:
Is that meant to be anti-personnel heavy stubbers sticking out the legs or some other design feature?

Attachment points for pistons.

 BrookM wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
Is that meant to be anti-personnel heavy stubbers sticking out the legs or some other design feature?

Attachment points for pistons.

Based on the dome shaped holes in the feet, and the semi-circular gullies on the legs, I reckon those are the piston attachment points, and the little prongs are probably how the armour plating protecting the leg will be attached in a way that avoids interfering with the movement of the joint.

 BrookM wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
Is that meant to be anti-personnel heavy stubbers sticking out the legs or some other design feature?

Attachment points for pistons.

Thank you (and Haighus)

I hope it has rules where it can stomp ID knights, it sure looks like it should be able too. That can't be far off a shoe size 5 or 6. Huge.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I hope it has rules where it can stomp ID knights, it sure looks like it should be able too. That can't be far off a shoe size 5 or 6. Huge.

Well, with Strength D being forced into normal 40k with a crowbar, I'd say that the Warlord would be a good model to introduce the new and improved Strength DD ... weapons!

The titan foot looks so cool. Now the real questions for gamers...

1. What size base does it go on?
2. Will Forge World sell a special carrying case for it... That you can threaten to stuff your little brother in if he touches your minis?
3. When will GW produce this as a plastic kit?

 Talys wrote:
The titan foot looks so cool. Now the real questions for gamers...

1. What size base does it go on?
2. Will Forge World sell a special carrying case for it... That you can threaten to stuff your little brother in if he touches your minis?
3. When will GW produce this as a plastic kit?

1) Nightstand game legal base that fits into a small coffee table top display base similar to the primarch models base approach.

2) Yes, grimdark skull covered 55 gallon drums with custom foam will be the next entry in GW's new storage line.

3) It's in the queue right after the thunderhawk and squats.

 BrookM wrote:
Book 4 is already out and about.

You're right, I meant book 5.

 zedmeister wrote:
New bulletin with the Warlord Titan leg...

Building commences on something huge!

there are going to be 8 sets of pistons per leg 4 like the Reaver and 4 between the toes you can see the mounting points on the foot, the socket ones connect higher up the shin at the top of the picture

Can you imagine the resin casts for those pieces? O.O

This should forever end the debate about which tabletop wargame has the LARGEST models, anyhow. The only real question is how many people you need to coral in to help you move your model each turn. But, it's not like they'll be looking at anything else in the store