So yes Warhammer Fest happens in under 24 hours! So here's a thread for general chit chat about the event and the revelations that will appear from the seminars, chatting, gossip and torture of GW and FW Staffers.
It will be a green event. Moonclan and Orks will feature prominently. The last big event was all about AoS 2.0 and the new undead models, so the emphasis this time move back to 40K with the impending Ork codex, Speed freeks, and any other associated products with a sprinkling of Kill Team. These are my predictions.
I'm setting my alarm to catch events as soon as they are posted.
THIS. I would love to see new plastics shown off, and a better sense of their release model going forward. We know there will be "new" stuff every month, but that could range from new sculpts for out-of-print/rare models, all the way to simple practical ideas like Command Upgrade sprues in plastic, versus $40 resin sets of random jobbers.
Most things from the 80s are great - some however are best left in the 80s
But lucky for us in this magical time of THE INTERWEBS, they can still be dug up. Enjoy the Recreator Squad and their mission to raise the morale of the Imperial army by showing those nasty xenos buggers what for with some Dirty Dancing! https://annarchive.com/files/Drmg204.pdf
Yodhrin wrote: EDIT: Oh and some indication of when we can expect the book of collected rules for N17 would be very welcome.
What, you don't like flipping through 5 books to find a rule? What's wrong with you, it's like you want to play the game more than flip pages or something!
Also everything you said, plus...
...I'd like another classic GW teaser. One that has a LOT of people speculating. Yeah, I know, it's doubtful that we'll get another "Ooh, what is it!" teaser, but a guy can dream, right?
Verviedi wrote: PM me if Fires Of Cyraxus, I'm going to be off crying in the corner.
Its not happening. The entire book was finished for 7th and has to be 100% re-written. And that includes making changing the whole story to fit it into 8th. The author himself said it isnt being worked on a few months ago.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Are we even sure they're going to be showing much?
I mean, IIRC, the last open day FW did was a damp squib.
I literally just found out what a damp squib was yesterday, so I had a hearty laugh at seeing it in use for the second time in my life. Well timed sir.
I imagine we will probably see the following:
Delaque preview for Necromunda and maybe a resin model
Next Blood Bowl team (they only have four months to fit in two if they keep to four in a year) and maybe a resin model or two
What else they will be bringing back for LOTR SBG is involved in Pelennor
Previews of the next AOS models (I'm guessing Moon Clan Grots)
Maybe a little something from KT: Rogue Trader
Either way, I hope it's more exciting than the last open day.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Are we even sure they're going to be showing much?
I mean, IIRC, the last open day FW did was a damp squib.
You can see what they showed off at the last Warhammer Fest HERE on Warhammer Community. That includes the new Age of Sigmar Soul Wars models, the endless spells and a first look at the new Adepta Sororitas models.
They have already said that they will be doing a full reveal of speed freeks. They will probably show off the next aos release. The only problem is that GW is doing another preview event in less than two weeks.
Between the two of them I expect GW to show most of their releases between now and Christmas but probably not in full detail.
Also the rogue trader leak spoiled what was probably intended to be a big surprise at one of these events.
Chikout wrote: They have already said that they will be doing a full reveal of speed freeks. They will probably show off the next aos release. The only problem is that GW is doing another preview event in less than two weeks.
Between the two of them I expect GW to show most of their releases between now and Christmas but probably not in full detail.
Also the rogue trader leak spoiled what was probably intended to be a big surprise at one of these events.
They also have Spiel in late October which saw some previews last year .
What I'm really hoping for is more info/a release date on the Imperial Armour Index for Talons of the Emperor. I just finished painting a squad of Sagittarum Guard and am hoping to use them on the table soon!
I would say Fires of Cyraxis, but I'll stick to things that will be possible.
schoon wrote:Definitely hoping for "in the flesh" sightings of AT Warhounds, as well as any info on future plans for AT18.
I'm looking forward to this cause I didn't care for the initial warhound preview. The changes to the head I did not like and it just looked off, like they got the measurements wrong. I prefer the more normal look featured in the art in the book, the one they showed was kind of chaosy and had exaggerated details which made it look tacky.
Carlovonsexron wrote:I want a bloodbowl lizardmen team preview!
I'd be okay with this if the models are good, but chaos dwarfs are the team that really has me. Not so much cause they are a competent team but I always had a soft spot for the hashut worshiping lil buggers in WHF. You won't hear me complain unless it's another elf team.
4) SOMETHING to keep the darn ork fans quiet from their groaning grumbling
We've had it mate, have you not seen Speed Freeks?
Listened to FLG podcast last night and Reece stated something along the lines of;
"The new buggy model looks f#%in great and you Ork players are going to be so, so happy. Your patience will be rewarded and you only have a little longer but get pumped, this is only the tip of the iceberg."
Filled me with hype and hope. Hoype? Hyope? Anyway I have sneaky suspicion us Ork players are getting more than we ever dreamed.
Oh hell yes I didn't even think of that. Modern, plastic Saurus sculpts in the same vein as the Oldblood on Carnosaur/Total War: Warhammer would be so useful for Lustria-set Mordheim campaigns(my efforts at resculpting the old plastics didn't go as well as I'd hoped ). So long as they're not completely plastered in armour.
4) SOMETHING to keep the darn ork fans quiet from their groaning grumbling
We've had it mate, have you not seen Speed Freeks?
Listened to FLG podcast last night and Reece stated something along the lines of;
"The new buggy model looks f#%in great and you Ork players are going to be so, so happy. Your patience will be rewarded and you only have a little longer but get pumped, this is only the tip of the iceberg."
Filled me with hype and hope. Hoype? Hyope? Anyway I have sneaky suspicion us Ork players are getting more than we ever dreamed.
Considering the insane crazed ramblings of the last few months I think you orks need more than one buggy to keep you quiet in the long run
Kill-Team-Warpspawns The critters would be useful for a bug hunt in N17 but the midgets and hulking brutes look ridiculous. They have dialed down the horror and increased silliness to a whole new level. Pass.
Kill-Team-Rogue Trader A plain dog has no business for being on a tabletop in 40K. At least half of it´s body needs cyborg parts. Well, perhaps the first battle it participates in will change that...
Dudette with feathered hat & high-heels looks intrigueing. And every SM will be envious of the guy holding the minigun. I am curious how it´s profile turns out to be.
Ok, you can use the Rogue Trader models in 40K too! Excellent! This is something I've wanted for a long time. Isn't it amazing that after all these years the Rogue Traders finally return to the 40K?
Huginn wrote: Surely they cannot be bringing the big hats back?
Cant quite believe it myself. There is always the chance that its a new universal spell, or part of a brand new faction. But is there anybody else that has fire and bulls as themes other than the big hats?
Huginn wrote: Surely they cannot be bringing the big hats back?
Cant quite believe it myself. There is always the chance that its a new universal spell, or part of a brand new faction. But is there anybody else that has fire and bulls as themes other than the big hats?
It could be from a chaos or destruction faction or could be the rumoured dark-aelf demonic faction. Anything is possible!
Huginn wrote: Surely they cannot be bringing the big hats back?
Cant quite believe it myself. There is always the chance that its a new universal spell, or part of a brand new faction. But is there anybody else that has fire and bulls as themes other than the big hats?
Doubt the big hats will be back thankfully but new stuff evolved from the FW chaos dwarfs would be nice.
I never thought I'd get excited for a bolter, but dayum.
Looking at the Ork vehicles, my feelings are a bit more mixed. They look fantastic, and in the context of a game about racing they're a perfectly Orky execution of the concept...but they're not really what I want for a 40K battlefield vehicle, where their obvious hot rod & F1 design influences seem a bit incongruous even for Orks. I'll wait for the sprue pics & 360's to make a final judgement though.
Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
Most of the Nurgle team looks stunning, but I am not convinced by those "Pestigor" at first glance, though again I'll wait for different pics since the "house style" for BB has put me off things in the past that ended up looking pretty good with a different paintjob.
Is that a warboss on some kind of buggy or bike in the background? Looks like he's got a driver, like the old nob warbikes. Also, it's blurry but the anatomy on his arm looks really bad. Hopefully it's just the angle and so on and if it is a poor sculpt, I can always give him a bionic arm...
OMG I need that. I'm painting a warherd army right now at my desk and have been looking at converting the gashing jaw spell into a bull head. Then that picture, exactly what I was wanting! New beast man army?
Is that a warboss on some kind of buggy or bike in the background? Looks like he's got a driver, like the old nob warbikes. Also, it's blurry but the anatomy on his arm looks really bad. Hopefully it's just the angle and so on and if it is a poor sculpt, I can always give him a bionic arm...
I think the arm is down to foreshortening and there being something behind him.
Also, why can they not google what a bulls hooves look like?
Inferno bull looks cool, but personally I dont find GWs flames to be very convincing most of the time.
You could basicly paint those flames green and say its seaweed, or a part of GWs "xeno plants terrain".
Not that its a big problem, paint it blazing orange and your brain instantly get what its supposed to be.
JSG wrote: Also, why can they not google what a bulls hooves look like?
I can only assume that GW sculptors are forbidden from looking at images of actual animal feet. It's the only way to explain how universally terrible they are at making them look plausible.
Also, why can they not google what a bulls hooves look like?
Aha, but its most likely AoS, so its not a bull at all, but rather a Mighty Toroxodont or something similar.
Who knows what crazy hooves they have in the age of sigmar?
Imateria wrote: I wonder where all those people who were claiming that the Rogue Trader models catagorically weren't Nurgle are now?
Seeing as they were confirmed to be Nurgle a while back when the book cover leaked (just before KT came out IIRC) I suggest you climb down from that high horse you've put yourself on there mateybobs. Them being Nurgle is not new info.
They are... rather generic without all the scopes on top. But nice to see the eviscerator has a model after all this time and the general style seems in keeping with the older models so far.
So I just got one of my metal Sororitas down to compare and I am well pleased with the newly minted bolters. They’re basically exactly the same silhouette but with more/better/crisper details. So exactly what I want in a plastic revamp of a well-loved metal range. Going great so far!
Oh they started doing legion specific leviathans? Want that! Good thing I have been unable to fund leviathan yet. Guess I know which of my legions get first leviathan!
Don't really see the fuss about the Sororitas guns? They're well rendered sure but the level of detail is nothing more or less than we've been seeing in recent releases any way. Great use of the Fleur de Lis I suppose.
The Ork buggis are both really exciting for an Evil Sunz player such as myself. The tyres on the second one are a bit jarring at first with their smooth design but it is in keeping with a need for speed and its nice to have variety in tyres. I love the detail on the vehicle and its passengers. Great little snippets of character helps it stand out. All the grots doing random things, the mek squig, the drivers and the gunner all look ace to me.
Super hyped for this release. Its like my dream come true. I'm sure the big Ork in the background is a boss on Trike. Probably can be built as Big Mek and/or Pain boy too.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they make the assault cannons an option for all Leviathans in both games (but they probably won't.)
They shouldn't because it's explicitly a BA thing.
I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I'm sure the big Ork in the background is a boss on Trike. Probably can be built as Big Mek and/or Pain boy too.
You would need a different sized figure for BM and PB, since they are nob-sized, not warboss-sized, but from what I can see it's a pretty big trike, so an alternative rider would be a small part of the kit.
I'm just hoping that oddboys on bikes don't get removed for having no models.
Crimson wrote: I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
Crimson wrote: I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
I don't care about HH. But assault cannons are ubiquitous in 40K era, so all chapters being able to arm their Leviathans with them should be no big deal.
Crimson wrote: I really hope they make the assault cannons an option for all Leviathans in both games (but they probably won't.)
They shouldn't because it's explicitly a BA thing.
I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.
In 40k Leviathans are chapter relics, you don't get permission to toy around with those and bolt on different wepaons. Tech-heresy!
Crimson wrote: I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
I don't care about HH. But assault cannons are ubiquitous in 40K era, so all chapters being able to arm their Leviathans with them should be no big deal.
Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?
Crimson wrote: I really hope they make the assault cannons an option for all Leviathans in both games (but they probably won't.)
They shouldn't because it's explicitly a BA thing.
I don't get why. It is just an assault cannon, everyone has those. I don't see what bolting assault cannons on your dreadnoughts has to do with being a space vampire.
In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.
Slight correction. Imperial fists also have it though fewer units can have one. No rhino with assault cannon for example like blood angels can get.
Orktober speed game + Codex + new models confirmed - said something about modells in the Background but not jet representet as minoatures
Don't suppose you could clarify this a bit: there are models coming that exist at the moment in the background but don't currently have miniatures?
Dare I hope for Squiggoths...
Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?
That never made any sense either, and it makes even less sense now that Cawl is constantly introducing completely new tech. Changing weapon on an existing vehicle is small beans compared to grav tanks. These sort of things are just pointless distinctions that limit how people can build their models. Assault cannons are not in any meaningful way related to the unique theme of the Blood Angels.
The rumor engine had what we thought to be a Slaanesh claw though, and it’s on those nurgle killteam models. Or rogue trader. Whichever. Blah. Hopes for Slaanesh stuff are being dashed!
timetowaste85 wrote: The rumor engine had what we thought to be a Slaanesh claw though, and it’s on those nurgle killteam models. Or rogue trader. Whichever. Blah. Hopes for Slaanesh stuff are being dashed!
Preeeeeeeeettty sure it's different claws, since the rumor engines came much later after the initial reveal of Rogue Trader.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Don't really see the fuss about the Sororitas guns? They're well rendered sure but the level of detail is nothing more or less than we've been seeing in recent releases any way. Great use of the Fleur de Lis I suppose.
The fuss is mainly down to exactly that - they're not plastered with ludicrous over the top detailing, they're not radically different than the existing designs, they're just those existing designs updated and enhanced with modern levels of quality. Also, the renders include the "special" bolters(Condemnor and Stormbolter), and show that they're sized well.
This whole process is an exercise in rebuilding trust for GW and the bolter renders show they understand that, that they understand what Sisters players on the whole want, and the initial Sister render wasn't a fluke.
I need that bull. Man what an amazing model (half). I've long searched for a decent bull mini to mount a Nurgle knight, but outside of the Arena Rex Nero and the FW Taurus, ehh.
And I want the Nurgle BB team. And Speed Freeks. And Sororitas. And like a third of the Cawdor weapons.
And in the future: A Lizardman team with lots auf Saurus Warriors looking like the beefed up hero from the Carnosaur kit.
Champions and Doomseeker cardgames get a mention and glad to see them getting pushed front and centre in the event! If you've already got into Age of Sigmar Champions don't forget the booster share thread
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/762346.page
Yodhrin wrote: Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
For some reason they play toy commercials late at night - I've never been able to figure out why - and almost all the girl's toys commercials are blind-box-style toy lines.
I was a little disappointed they didn’t show more Ork stuff, but at least they confirmed October, so I guess that’s something. As usual, they tucked a bunch teaser stuff out of focus in the one picture, but at this point I don’t care. I’ll just wait now it seems that we won’t likely get much of a spoiler beyond the traditional week before.
Personally not a fan of the formula one vibe of the yellow buggy, but I suppose one could always trim off the spoilers and add different wheels. I'm curious if these will have rules for general 40K or if they will be Speed Freaks exclusives, only because they're so varied.
Kendo wrote: I was a little disappointed they didn’t show more Ork stuff, but at least they confirmed October, so I guess that’s something. As usual, they tucked a bunch teaser stuff out of focus in the one picture, but at this point I don’t care. I’ll just wait now it seems that we won’t likely get much of a spoiler beyond the traditional week before.
Wait what?! Your getting a spoiler now two months in advance lol.
I panicked a little bit when I saw the Bolt Rifle in the sisters weapons preview, but I've convinced myself that's just there for scale. Its actually really cool that they scaled down the sister's bolter from the SM one.
Hive City Dweller wrote: Personally not a fan of the formula one vibe of the yellow buggy, but I suppose one could always trim off the spoilers and add different wheels. I'm curious if these will have rules for general 40K or if they will be Speed Freaks exclusives, only because they're so varied.
They're two different kinds of buggy, from the community site: "This boxed set pits you against a friend in a series of death races between a variety of Orkish speedsters, including the aforementioned Kustom Boosta-blasta and the Shokkjump Dragsta – a racer that uses shokk-attack technology to project itself ahead of the competition – or just into anyone that looks like they need smashin’ up."
Kendo wrote: I was a little disappointed they didn’t show more Ork stuff, but at least they confirmed October, so I guess that’s something. As usual, they tucked a bunch teaser stuff out of focus in the one picture, but at this point I don’t care. I’ll just wait now it seems that we won’t likely get much of a spoiler beyond the traditional week before.
Don't forget we still have NOVA in 2 weeks. GW will need something to show then too.
Does GW have a big, official presence at Nova?
I think I can wait at this point. I’ll pick up the the Rogue Trader box next month, and try to heed Yoda’s advice and not always be ‘looking to the future’, and be more mindful of the mountains of models I already have to paint and put together, and most importantly, play with.
Yodhrin wrote: Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
For some reason they play toy commercials late at night - I've never been able to figure out why - and almost all the girl's toys commercials are blind-box-style toy lines.
Apparently it's a big deal if you're a kid.
There were tons of blind-box and blind-pack toy lines when I was wee as well, many of them were hugely popular, but they were never popular because they were blind-box, always despite it. Kids toy lines often go blind-box because companies know they can leverage the popularity of a character or show or game to sell extra - if a kid really wants Captain Awesome but there's only a 1-in-12 chance opening one of the Captain Awesome And Friends blind-boxes will actually get them Captain Awesome, odds are they'll buy several, and likely more than they would have if given a free choice to only buy the characters they genuinely wanted.
Yodhrin wrote: This whole process is an exercise in rebuilding trust for GW...
Rebuilding trust? WTF? For what? 'Cause their online team made some jokes as Sister's player's expense that they (predictably) took personally?
No because they've been neglecting the faction for nigh on twenty sodding years and folk were worried that now they finally are paying them some attention they'd be substantially altered. But yeah, sure - when you take the piss out of people, they tend not to like it, and if you then want those people to give you lots and lots of money you generally would have to show at least a few wee shreds of contrition, that's not unique to Sisters players.
Kendo wrote: Does GW have a big, official presence at Nova?
I think I can wait at this point. I’ll pick up the the Rogue Trader box next month, and try to heed Yoda’s advice and not always be ‘looking to the future’, and be more mindful of the mountains of models I already have to paint and put together, and most importantly, play with.
Yes they do. They have another preview seminar like the one today on Wednesday 29th of August.
Yodhrin wrote: No because they've been neglecting the faction for nigh on twenty sodding years and folk were worried that now they finally are paying them some attention they'd be substantially altered. But yeah, sure - when you take the piss out of people, they tend not to like it, and if you then want those people to give you lots and lots of money you generally would have to show at least a few wee shreds of contrition, that's not unique to Sisters players.
To be fair to them, they did seem to be blindsided by how damn many people wanted sisters to get more attention. Which means they weren't fething listening, but still, all of the examples we've seen have been good, no need to be this hacked off about a technically true joke. They did have plastic sisters, three of them total, which was plenty disappointing and not available in their own box for what, half a year? But they weren't lying and you set your own expectations on that one.
Yodhrin wrote: No because they've been neglecting the faction for nigh on twenty sodding years and folk were worried that now they finally are paying them some attention they'd be substantially altered. But yeah, sure - when you take the piss out of people, they tend not to like it, and if you then want those people to give you lots and lots of money you generally would have to show at least a few wee shreds of contrition, that's not unique to Sisters players.
To be fair to them, they did seem to be blindsided by how damn many people wanted sisters to get more attention. Which means they weren't fething listening, but still, all of the examples we've seen have been good, no need to be this hacked off about a technically true joke. They did have plastic sisters, three of them total, which was plenty disappointing and not available in their own box for what, half a year? But they weren't lying and you set your own expectations on that one.
well remember under Kirby they bragged about "not needing to do market research" I think the most amazing thing about that whole fiasco was that the baord didn't fire him the minute he said that I know if I was on the board of a company and the CEO claimed he didn't need to do market research I'd be demanding a vote on canning him asap
Also don't forget that most people wanted sisters but spoke of it in clubs, to store managers and to people on forums - it was a whole different ballgame when they all got up and said "SISTERS PLEASE" all in one big go in the survey.
Ergo GW then got an idea of how big the interest really was. Also yeah the Kirby "no market research" era likely did blight the potential for sisters to get any attention.
Yodhrin wrote: Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
For some reason they play toy commercials late at night - I've never been able to figure out why - and almost all the girl's toys commercials are blind-box-style toy lines.
Apparently it's a big deal if you're a kid.
A massive deal. My 7yr old 'niece' (friend's little girl) has pretty much no interest in any toy that I know where this isn't the primary method of purchase or at least an optional line within the brand. LOL Surprise, MLP, Shopkins, TtTE back in the day, I recently bought her a stuffed toy that you "rescue" by bathing it, and only once it's bathed and no longer just a ball of fluff do you discover what animal you've "adopted."
I've seen enough male or gender neutral franchises on offer alongside the ones I've picked up for her over the years to surmise that it's clearly a significant chunk of the toy market these days.
Dear god I hope so. The ‘non-beastieness’ of it, and the fire make me very hopeful. But I could easily see it being a beast man thing too, as the face looks identical to the Ghorgon one. I figured if they did Chaos dwarfs again, they’d lean hard into the ‘demonic engines’ aspect of them, as it would contrast them to the Blimpie dwarfs more,, and cause the Fireslayers sort of stole their ‘burn everything’ aethstetic. But, I hope we see them in AoS, as they’re truly my favorite fantasy army.
Yodhrin wrote: Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
For some reason they play toy commercials late at night - I've never been able to figure out why - and almost all the girl's toys commercials are blind-box-style toy lines.
Apparently it's a big deal if you're a kid.
A massive deal. My 7yr old 'niece' (friend's little girl) has pretty much no interest in any toy that I know where this isn't the primary method of purchase or at least an optional line within the brand. LOL Surprise, MLP, Shopkins, TtTE back in the day, I recently bought her a stuffed toy that you "rescue" by bathing it, and only once it's bathed and no longer just a ball of fluff do you discover what animal you've "adopted."
I've seen enough male or gender neutral franchises on offer alongside the ones I've picked up for her over the years to surmise that it's clearly a significant chunk of the toy market these days.
Pogs, Sticks, Pokemon Cards, Magic the Gathering- we grew up on blind buys too. It's just that the market has moved on it seems to larger toys not just collectable trinket toys.
Yodhrin wrote: Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
For some reason they play toy commercials late at night - I've never been able to figure out why - and almost all the girl's toys commercials are blind-box-style toy lines.
Apparently it's a big deal if you're a kid.
A massive deal. My 7yr old 'niece' (friend's little girl) has pretty much no interest in any toy that I know where this isn't the primary method of purchase or at least an optional line within the brand. LOL Surprise, MLP, Shopkins, TtTE back in the day, I recently bought her a stuffed toy that you "rescue" by bathing it, and only once it's bathed and no longer just a ball of fluff do you discover what animal you've "adopted."
I've seen enough male or gender neutral franchises on offer alongside the ones I've picked up for her over the years to surmise that it's clearly a significant chunk of the toy market these days.
Pogs, Sticks, Pokemon Cards, Magic the Gathering- we grew up on blind buys too. It's just that the market has moved on it seems to larger toys not just collectable trinket toys.
Remember the Collectable Minis game fad a few years back? Heroclix is still around but for a time Wizkids had like 4 differant CMGs
Dear god I hope so. The ‘non-beastieness’ of it, and the fire make me very hopeful. But I could easily see it being a beast man thing too, as the face looks identical to the Ghorgon one. I figured if they did Chaos dwarfs again, they’d lean hard into the ‘demonic engines’ aspect of them, as it would contrast them to the Blimpie dwarfs more,, and cause the Fireslayers sort of stole their ‘burn everything’ aethstetic. But, I hope we see them in AoS, as they’re truly my favorite fantasy army.
Forgeworld has a great looking range of "Legion of Azgorh, for what its worth.
Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
If you want all of them, buy a box. As I understand it, that will get you a complete set.
Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
If you want all of them, buy a box. As I understand it, that will get you a complete set.
I don't want all of them, I want some specific ones. And yes, I could buy a box and fanny about trying to sell off the ones I don't want, but that's more effort than I care to expend for models that rate "hmm, those'd be kinda cool", so that's just a wee chunk of money that goes to FFG instead of GW. Also, it's not a guarantee of a complete set. Some folk have gotten as many as four duplicates of one model, or several different duplicate pairs or triples. Probably packing errors rather than policy given how many folk bought a box and got exactly 12x2, but it's a non-zero chance and as we've established, I'm not interested in gambling for models.
Not pleased that the Heroes range are still going to be blind-buy over here. That format may be popular in the Japanese market, but I've never met anyone who liked it even back when we were kids. Just sell us the models.
If you want all of them, buy a box. As I understand it, that will get you a complete set.
I don't want all of them, I want some specific ones. And yes, I could buy a box and fanny about trying to sell off the ones I don't want, but that's more effort than I care to expend for models that rate "hmm, those'd be kinda cool", so that's just a wee chunk of money that goes to FFG instead of GW. Also, it's not a guarantee of a complete set. Some folk have gotten as many as four duplicates of one model, or several different duplicate pairs or triples. Probably packing errors rather than policy given how many folk bought a box and got exactly 12x2, but it's a non-zero chance and as we've established, I'm not interested in gambling for models.
Well you might luck out and they'll be one of the series where the serial number on the packet tells you the contents.
don't tell me that the rogue traders minis are in colored plastic!!!! won't buy it if that's the case
Are they really bringing back Chaos dwarves??? There was a spell for them that was described exactly as a big flaming bull. Would buy the frag out of them, if they look good
Street - what is wrong with coloured plastic? It's the very same plastic just with a bit of pigment in it; a quick spray or two with some white or black undercoat (or one of the other undercoat colours) and its just the same as grey.
streetsamurai wrote: don't tell me that the rogue traders minis are in colored plastic!!!! won't buy it if that's the case
Are they really bringing back Chaos dwarves??? There was a spell for them that was described exactly as a big flaming bull. Would buy the frag out of them, if they look good
I take it you will not be buying the flaming bull either since I am sure it will be coloured plastic as well.
you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
Dear god I hope so. The ‘non-beastieness’ of it, and the fire make me very hopeful. But I could easily see it being a beast man thing too, as the face looks identical to the Ghorgon one. I figured if they did Chaos dwarfs again, they’d lean hard into the ‘demonic engines’ aspect of them, as it would contrast them to the Blimpie dwarfs more,, and cause the Fireslayers sort of stole their ‘burn everything’ aethstetic. But, I hope we see them in AoS, as they’re truly my favorite fantasy army.
Forgeworld has a great looking range of "Legion of Azgorh, for what its worth.
Oh I have them, and love them quite a bit. A GW proper army would be fabulous as well though.
Well Sisters are still in development; so you got bolter porn because that's likely where their development is at this stage. As GW is using 3D design software they are likely building bits of Sisters - eg weapons - which will then later be combined together to create full Sisters of Battle. So there likely aren't any full model previews to see (or those that there are are likely very light on detailing at this stage or even their final poses)
Overread wrote: Well Sisters are still in development; so you got bolter porn because that's likely where their development is at this stage. As GW is using 3D design software they are likely building bits of Sisters - eg weapons - which will then later be combined together to create full Sisters of Battle. So there likely aren't any full model previews to see (or those that there are are likely very light on detailing at this stage or even their final poses)
Well, apart from...
...which shows the exact same bolter. And is from May.
streetsamurai wrote: you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
streetsamurai wrote: you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
A good primer won't affect the detail on plastic miniatures. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Cheap primer does a cheap job. GW primer is a little expensive in comparison to stuff like Army Painter, but I have always found the end result is worth the extra cost, especially on the colored primer.
streetsamurai wrote: you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
A good primer won't affect the detail on plastic miniatures. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Cheap primer does a cheap job. GW primer is a little expensive in comparison to stuff like Army Painter, but I have always found the end result is worth the extra cost, especially on the colored primer.
GW primer can affect the details. Depends on weather conditions usually, thought I've fethed up dealing with almost empty cans and sudden spurts of primer too.
streetsamurai wrote: you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
A good primer won't affect the detail on plastic miniatures. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Cheap primer does a cheap job. GW primer is a little expensive in comparison to stuff like Army Painter, but I have always found the end result is worth the extra cost, especially on the colored primer.
I like P3 primer better. And it's a bit cheaper than GW's.
Seminars don’t start til 11, and lots were repeats of yesterday from what I recall of the schedule on WHC. I’d doubt there’ll be shocking revelations in 40mins time.
Well they kinda hinted that we won't see any delaque models. But there is still hope for some artwork. Hopefully they have 1 or 2 things to show today, and they didn't blow their entire load on the first day.
streetsamurai wrote: you need to put a lot more primer on a red or blue coloured plastic than on a grey one. And I don't like to put a lot of primer on my minis, as i find it affects the quality of my painting
A good primer won't affect the detail on plastic miniatures. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Cheap primer does a cheap job. GW primer is a little expensive in comparison to stuff like Army Painter, but I have always found the end result is worth the extra cost, especially on the colored primer.
I like P3 primer better. And it's a bit cheaper than GW's.
I find auto-primers do as good a job if not better than any 'wargaming' branded primers. Cheaper too.
Chikout wrote: Day two doesn’t usually have anything new except golden demon. They sometimes put mini from the previews into the display cases.
Aye but its the day to corner staff and use such nefarious torture implements such as a comfy chair, fluffy cushions and a free drink to prise details out of them!
Indeed. Chatting to the peeps in the studio areas, outside of the Seminars can get interesting nuggets of info. Like when we first found out (well, I did, because I broke the news :p) that AT was going into a new scale...
...which shows the exact same bolter. And is from May.
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Mold and/or model complexity.
Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Mold and/or model complexity.
Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.
Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.
There were at least 100 models shown in the golden demon competition, the level of detail was absolutely insane. This one was the best, IMHO. The banner is probably hand painted
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Mold and/or model complexity.
Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.
Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.
Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.
tneva82 wrote: Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
By 'real game', you mean 8th?
Or is that some subtle joke on combination of worst rule set that GW had ever produced and utter inability by FW to balance it despite literally everyone being a MEQ?
sockwithaticket wrote: In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.
In 40k Leviathans are chapter relics, you don't get permission to toy around with those and bolt on different wepaons. Tech-heresy!
Ergo, assault cannons on Leviathans stay BA.
Yeah, because the only example of the relic Leviathan we have (the Red Scorpion one) totally has standard, 'holy' loadout.
Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...
sockwithaticket wrote: Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?
Tell that to that random Black Templar techie who decided welding a bunch of bolters to Land Raider is a good idea. And if anything, LR ranks higher than Predator on relic rank list.
Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Mold and/or model complexity.
Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.
Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.
Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.
Agreed, sometimes higher detail can be a nightmare to work with when it comes to the practicalities of assembly. Heck I hate how a lot of warhammer models have joins at the mid-arm. It's a nightmare getting the two halves to line up - sure it gives a better shoulder than a ball and socket join; but its a LOT harder to get flush
Irbis wrote: Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...
Irbis wrote: Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?
Do you have any other posting style besides obnoxiously belittling everyone you talk to?
tneva82 wrote: Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
By 'real game', you mean 8th?
That unbalanced mess of game with illogical rules that don't even work? The game that's flat out impossible to play without house ruling? The game you can't even shoot basic weapon without house rules? (Literally. Rules break down if you try to follow them as written)Nah i talk about games done by real game designers rather than amateurs that are in gw main studio.
tneva82 wrote: Something to do with rarity what with being experimental weapon. Not every legion has them. Read bit of HH fluff one day and then start the real game for those that want good rules.
By 'real game', you mean 8th?
Or is that some subtle joke on combination of worst rule set that GW had ever produced and utter inability by FW to balance it despite literally everyone being a MEQ?
sockwithaticket wrote: In 30k it's not an established weapon, only BA have it and it's not jusxt for their Leviathans. It shouldn't be made available to anyone else in 30k.
In 40k Leviathans are chapter relics, you don't get permission to toy around with those and bolt on different wepaons. Tech-heresy!
Ergo, assault cannons on Leviathans stay BA.
Yeah, because the only example of the relic Leviathan we have (the Red Scorpion one) totally has standard, 'holy' loadout.
Oh, wait, it doesn't And to make things even funnier the addition was literally a pair of assault cannons...
ON
sockwithaticket wrote: Other chapters in 40k don't have permission to just go sticking assault cannons on their predators like the BA have, so why should they get to do it to a 30k era relic?
Tell that to that random Black Templar techie who decided welding a bunch of bolters to Land Raider is a good idea. And if anything, LR ranks higher than Predator on relic rank list.
Also, you're wrong. See the blurb here, it outright states others were so butthurt by BA decision to not share Baal they decided to bolt toghether their own copy, and arguably even better one. No permission you say?
On Culln
1 There's barely any fluff on it, none of which explains why they've given it a unique loadout nor how well it's received by Mars. It is literally the ONLY example of a Leviathan being modified.
2 The BA Leviathan has asault cannons replace the secondary armaments not the primary. This has not been replicated on anything.
All Leviathans are relics, not just the Culln one. Anything thaty survives from the 30k era is considered a relic. Almost every description of these things in IA2 states that they're highly revered and only ever taken out of the armoury in the direst of circumstances. Given all the other fluff about reverence for STCs and relic weapons (IA2 is as good a source as any), there's clearly very, very little leeway to modify things. There are a handful of exceptions, sure, but the Imperium's weapon and war machine supply chain is not run by Orks, no one has carte blanche to just start slapping weapons on things because they feel like it.
The Deimos
1) It still doesn't have assault cannons on it. My point in bringing in the Baal was that the ubiquity of assault cannons doesn't give anyone in 40k the option to just slap them on a predator.
2) It was developed back in ye olden times, it is not a 40k modification
3) The description does not explicityl state who developed it, but the heavy implication is that it was in conjunction with Mars. Y'know, the arbiters of what is and isn't sanctioned.
Certain ancient data sources speculate that the Predator Infernus was an attempt to replicate the Baal Predator STC, stubbornly held by the honoured Blood Angels and their successors, and the same conjectural sources imply the superiority of this latter design in terms of speed, armour and armament. The Machine Cult of Mars’ gall at the Blood Angels’ refusal to release this precious relic is widely known, and so the Infernus boasts a fearsome armament
Also, the underlined; yep that's clearly a definitive statement about the origins of the Deimos Infernus.
The Crusader is, like the Culln Leviathan, highly unusual in being a modern modification of an existing machine. This at least has fluff which explains they didn't just do it and everything was cool. It was approved because of the Templars openness and co-operation with Mars once they'd made it and this only after a "long debate". Created in 304 M.39, finally approved by Mars in 769 M.39. That's a looong vetting period.
Dark days indeed when people are complaining about secondary weapons.
If you play BA in 30k you get assault cannons. Forgeworld took the initiative and just made the parts they knew every single blood angel player would convert anyways. Not everything needs a perfect fluff description, thats part of the mystery of 30/40k. Enough.
9/10 chance it gets 40k rules cause theyve been doing that a ton lately, probably so they dont get a 1000 daily emails and facebook posts of screaming people.
1) It still doesn't have assault cannons on it. My point in bringing in the Baal was that the ubiquity of assault cannons doesn't give anyone in 40k the option to just slap them on a predator.
But that is stupid too! Everyone should be able to slap assault cannons on their Predators! You're just defending one pointless restriction by citing another pointless restriction.
Why is it that GW (the self proclaimed best miniature maker in the world), can produce such amazing intricate detail on models, yet we still get these dumb bolters with no hole in the end.
Mold and/or model complexity.
Not that it can't be done, but it's unlikely to be cost effective to implement.
Indeed, it would require slide moulding, something GW reserves for special kits only.
Or making the barrels two-part, like on the Horus Heresy combi-bolters, but those are a pain to glue without destroying details or getting overspill.
Agreed, sometimes higher detail can be a nightmare to work with when it comes to the practicalities of assembly. Heck I hate how a lot of warhammer models have joins at the mid-arm. It's a nightmare getting the two halves to line up - sure it gives a better shoulder than a ball and socket join; but its a LOT harder to get flush
Joins like that are why I use liquid cement (methylene chloride/dichloromethane);you can hold the two parts together with four fingers of one hand and brush on the stuff and it’s so thin it will wick itself into the joint to melt both surfaces. Only problem is if you accidentally hit your fingers you’ll leave prints moulded into the surface…
1) It still doesn't have assault cannons on it. My point in bringing in the Baal was that the ubiquity of assault cannons doesn't give anyone in 40k the option to just slap them on a predator.
But that is stupid too! Everyone should be able to slap assault cannons on their Predators! You're just defending one pointless restriction by citing another pointless restriction.
It's only stupid if you disregard the fluff.
Anyway, I'm done with this. I know people are checking this thread for news.
The latest update to the WarCom live blog says they will have some reveals at NOVA.
"And don’t worry, we’ll have more exciting reveals for you soon with our next Warhammer Community and Studio Preview seminar at the NOVA Open in Washington DC in less than two weeks’ time! "
stormboy wrote: The latest update to the WarCom live blog says they will have some reveals at NOVA.
"And don’t worry, we’ll have more exciting reveals for you soon with our next Warhammer Community and Studio Preview seminar at the NOVA Open in Washington DC in less than two weeks’ time! "
I'm hoping for more Sisters of Battle images, but I'm sure what it'll be is more Ork previews.
Fingers crossed for Slaanesh stuff. Nothing from the WarhammerFest really scratched an itch; Speed Freaks could possibly be a fun mini game to snag for the wife and me if it’s priced like Gangs of Cammoraugh, but even though AT looks AMAZING, it’s priced out of the budget as a pickup game. So Fest had nothing for me, personally, and I’m disappointed with what arrived. Hoping Nova drops Slaanesh stuff, and I’ll be a happy camper (there is a budget set aside for the Slaanesh release).
timetowaste85 wrote: Fingers crossed for Slaanesh stuff. Nothing from the WarhammerFest really scratched an itch; Speed Freaks could possibly be a fun mini game to snag for the wife and me if it’s priced like Gangs of Cammoraugh, but even though AT looks AMAZING, it’s priced out of the budget as a pickup game. So Fest had nothing for me, personally, and I’m disappointed with what arrived. Hoping Nova drops Slaanesh stuff, and I’ll be a happy camper (there is a budget set aside for the Slaanesh release).
I think Slaanesh will come closer to Christmas/new year
It not only fits with how GW has released the other chaos gods, but also ties into the fact that Slaanesh currently sits in a very key point in the Age of Sigmar lore and that his release or his armies being bolstered or otherwise improved would be a pretty major story point so it would make sense for there to be some downtime between that event and the last major events of the 2.0 release and the Necroquake and the forces of Nagash going into all out war with those of Sigmar and the Grand Alliance Order.
That said if it comes sooner or there are clear hints/release details I won't be wishing them delayed. Like yourself I've been waiting to see Slaanesh get a bit release update.
I reckon WHF this weekend was a more general overview of all GW stuff, while NOVA will be more focused on 40k/AoS content. It's looking like the Ork codex will be the big release after Rogue Trader, so that seems to the most likely for the next preview.
edit: didn't they also preview Chapter Approved at last year's NOVA? Could happen again.
xttz wrote: I reckon WHF this weekend was a more general overview of all GW stuff, while NOVA will be more focused on 40k/AoS content. It's looking like the Ork codex will be the big release after Rogue Trader, so that seems to the most likely for the next preview.
edit: didn't they also preview Chapter Approved at last year's NOVA? Could happen again.
I'm not sure if Speed Freeks and Rogue Trader were part of GW's original plan for this weekend. But the leaks really took the wow factor away. If the first reveal had been this weekend I'd still be picking my jaw up from the floor.
Alright. For anyone interested, according to a post/comments in the Talons of the Emperor facebook group, someone asked staff about the upcoming Imperial Armour. It's apparently being pushed back in favour of Malevolence, and they may continue releasing PDF beta rules until its eventual release, whenever that may be.
I’m more than a little surprised we didn’t get more of a breakdown of the studio presentation. Surely more was said, or at least hinted about in that session. All we got is a very brief summary that suggested more chaos potentially on the way for 40k for next year. While I appreciate that brief insight, is that truly all there was?
Darkwrath121 wrote: Alright. For anyone interested, according to a post/comments in the Talons of the Emperor facebook group, someone asked staff about the upcoming Imperial Armour. It's apparently being pushed back in favour of Malevolence, and they may continue releasing PDF beta rules until its eventual release, whenever that may be.
Dang it!!! I was hoping for Talons. I thought it was supposed to be fast tracked.
Kendo wrote: I’m more than a little surprised we didn’t get more of a breakdown of the studio presentation. Surely more was said, or at least hinted about in that session. All we got is a very brief summary that suggested more chaos potentially on the way for 40k for next year. While I appreciate that brief insight, is that truly all there was?
What were the game systems covered by the presentations for this event?
Darkwrath121 wrote: Alright. For anyone interested, according to a post/comments in the Talons of the Emperor facebook group, someone asked staff about the upcoming Imperial Armour. It's apparently being pushed back in favour of Malevolence, and they may continue releasing PDF beta rules until its eventual release, whenever that may be.
Dang it!!! I was hoping for Talons. I thought it was supposed to be fast tracked.
I wouldn't be too surprised if its also getting wrapped in with some kind of plastic grav tank/ grav transport and even a new dread.
Releasing the kraken of forge world getting feedback on custodes rules is really just showing how much interest there would be in plastic versions.
I'm assuming these studio previews tend to focus on new models, specialist games and black library stuff more so than codexes?
If so I'm looking forward to getting more details on speed freeks, how it plays and the upcoming Ork release in general. Looks like they've really treated us this year and they have at least one more unannounced model.
I was very disappointed. There was a big room for the tournaments with very bad tables. They used mousepad maps but they have been thinnier than my gamemat.eu maps and didn't lie completely flat. Most terrain was old GW ruins, spraypainted and drybrushed, no details, and glued on plain grey wood bases. It's been a long time since I attended a tournament with this low terrain quality. Ok, it was way better that that awful London GT stuff, but I wasn't there.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better (and I'm not talking about young bloods).
Next to it there where some promo tables for card games and a big area where they sold normal stuff (not even this weeks pre-orders :( ). Then the big FW queue area and a small FW sales area.
Above that there have been a few tables with about a dozen GW people from the different teams and 2 display tables (normal gaming size).
The workshops have been very limited in number of attendees. And from their summyry on WarCom they haven't been really interesting.
No games you could join. No stunning huge displays. No painting workshops. No new models on display, Rogue Traders was the newest and we already seen high quality pics of those. They could have had at least the Speedfreekz stuff on display. No video game presence. No display pieces like a life-sized Space Marine or something. Not even an attempt to get the crowd yell "WAAAAAAAAGH".
This was just a glorified sales pitch without flavor. Not at all comparable to the very first Games Day in Germany in the 90ies. Won't attend again.
BTW regarding orks did they specify october gets ork codex or could it have been speed freak codex?
Part of me still hoping for ork codex in september Community live blog doesn't even mention codex of any kind. Just that speed freaks are joining us on october.
My big worry about the ork release is that with speed freaks getting plenty models they are stars of the codex and rest get only marginal improvements which leave core issues not fixed. For foot horde/walker style fan that would suck. For me fast orks have been support units always rather than core.
Ragnar69 wrote: I was very disappointed. There was a big room for the tournaments with very bad tables. They used mousepad maps but they have been thinnier than my gamemat.eu maps and didn't lie completely flat. Most terrain was old GW ruins, spraypainted and drybrushed, no details, and glued on plain grey wood bases. It's been a long time since I attended a tournament with this low terrain quality. Ok, it was way better that that awful London GT stuff, but I wasn't there.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better (and I'm not talking about young bloods). Dude, which day did you visit. The cabinets were full, and with a high standard. I'am willing to bet on that you can't do better than 3/4 of the entries.
Next to it there where some promo tables for card games and a big area where they sold normal stuff (not even this weeks pre-orders :( ). Then the big FW queue area and a small FW sales area.
Above that there have been a few tables with about a dozen GW people from the different teams and 2 display tables (normal gaming size). which is more than on the old gamesdays.
The workshops have been very limited in number of attendees. And from their summyry on WarCom they haven't been really interesting.
No games you could join. No stunning huge displays. No painting workshops. No new models on display, Rogue Traders was the newest and we already seen high quality pics of those. They could have had at least the Speedfreekz stuff on display. No video game presence. No display pieces like a life-sized Space Marine or something. Not even an attempt to get the crowd yell "WAAAAAAAAGH". Problem here is, that GW shipped everything at WhF form Nottingham - and would leve on 6 on sunday. That imited stuff, but I agree could be handled better. And thank god noone was trying to "Waaaaagh". That stuff was annoying as f.... and always forced.
This was just a glorified sales pitch without flavor. So it's basiclly like every GD back in the day, but you remeber it in nostagia, only remembering the highlights. Not at all comparable to the very first Games Day in Germany in the 90ies. Won't attend again.
tneva82 wrote: BTW regarding orks did they specify october gets ork codex or could it have been speed freak codex?
Part of me still hoping for ork codex in september Community live blog doesn't even mention codex of any kind. Just that speed freaks are joining us on october.
My big worry about the ork release is that with speed freaks getting plenty models they are stars of the codex and rest get only marginal improvements which leave core issues not fixed. For foot horde/walker style fan that would suck. For me fast orks have been support units always rather than core.
Hm, if ORKtober isn't enough of a hint when orcs will appear, you can of cause hope for September.
tneva82 wrote: BTW regarding orks did they specify october gets ork codex or could it have been speed freak codex?
Part of me still hoping for ork codex in september Community live blog doesn't even mention codex of any kind. Just that speed freaks are joining us on october.
My big worry about the ork release is that with speed freaks getting plenty models they are stars of the codex and rest get only marginal improvements which leave core issues not fixed. For foot horde/walker style fan that would suck. For me fast orks have been support units always rather than core.
Hm, if ORKtober isn't enough of a hint when orcs will appear, you can of cause hope for September.
If most of releases for orks is on october that would satisfy.
One can always hope right? As it is it's now weird in that GW breaks up two of their policies to push orks further. Hell what we can be sure is that within past year SOMETHING happened to change orks be at least month if not more later than originally planned.
Ragnar69 wrote: I was very disappointed. There was a big room for the tournaments with very bad tables. They used mousepad maps but they have been thinnier than my gamemat.eu maps and didn't lie completely flat. Most terrain was old GW ruins, spraypainted and drybrushed, no details, and glued on plain grey wood bases. It's been a long time since I attended a tournament with this low terrain quality. Ok, it was way better that that awful London GT stuff, but I wasn't there.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better (and I'm not talking about young bloods). Dude, which day did you visit. The cabinets were full, and with a high standard. I'am willing to bet on that you can't do better than 3/4 of the entries.
On Saturday. As I said, we left at 3 because we where bored. We have been there for less than 4 hours and spend a good amount of time in the food area and in the Bistro outside. And I never said I could paint better than most entries. I said the bad outnumbered the stunning ones (i.e. the Phantom and Warlord Titans and the Khorne diorama). Most of the stuff was very nice and way better than I could do but nothing to write home about. We most likely haven't seen everything as we left early, but what we had seen was on average not as good as I had expected.
Next to it there where some promo tables for card games and a big area where they sold normal stuff (not even this weeks pre-orders :( ). Then the big FW queue area and a small FW sales area.
Above that there have been a few tables with about a dozen GW people from the different teams and 2 display tables (normal gaming size). which is more than on the old gamesdays.
The workshops have been very limited in number of attendees. And from their summyry on WarCom they haven't been really interesting.
No games you could join. No stunning huge displays. No painting workshops. No new models on display, Rogue Traders was the newest and we already seen high quality pics of those. They could have had at least the Speedfreekz stuff on display. No video game presence. No display pieces like a life-sized Space Marine or something. Not even an attempt to get the crowd yell "WAAAAAAAAGH". Problem here is, that GW shipped everything at WhF form Nottingham - and would leve on 6 on sunday. That imited stuff, but I agree could be handled better. And thank god noone was trying to "Waaaaagh". That stuff was annoying as f.... and always forced.
This was just a glorified sales pitch without flavor. So it's basiclly like every GD back in the day, but you remeber it in nostagia, only remembering the highlights. Not at all comparable to the very first Games Day in Germany in the 90ies. Won't attend again.
That's not nostalgia. The one I visited was way bigger, had at least 1 huge display( I think there was also another one), games you could join, a huge silver screen showing an animated Björn in action and a lot more people had been there. Ok, there was less staff, I remember only 3: Fat Bloke,a sculptor whose name I forgot who did BFG ships and Andy Chambers (complete with sideburns). IRRC also 1 or 2 Heavy Metal guys. GW was also a lot smaller then, I don't know if Forgeworld and Black Library already existed. And we stayed there all day long and would have stayed longer if it wouldn't had closed. And the sales area was tiny compared to the rest of the location.
I would have at least expected a large display featuring the new terrain and more models than you could see in a normal game.
Was there even a Titanicus table? I can't remember as I'm not interested in that game.
It's probably the way you are phrasing or picking out details, but it sounds like you almost begin being bored and despondent with the event before you had even turned up.
The tables being fairly plain terrain makes sense, its functional game terrain rather than high detail high investment terrain that might get broken over so many tables and so many players. Many a club has similar and often the best is the kind people bring of their own and keep with them most games.
The lack of a diorama just tells me that GW didn't have anyone local or any storage space local to let them easily ship one over - moving big things like that is never easy and is costly and if they've not made one specifically for transport then it can be a lot of bulk.
Aye, WHW is diorama paradise, but for their GD / Fest events they stopped doing them. IIRC it used to be a massive effort with all stores pitching to do some bits of the display.
In the good old days even a small GW store had several staffers and a prime highstreet position; in todays world of insane highstreet operating costs most are down to one staffer in a modest part of town (which must seriously cost GW a lot). So I can see GW stores just not having the free time they once had to produce and help toward a diorama like they once did.
It's a shame but in the UK unless there's a huge change with regard to rent and rates the highstreet is just not very attractive nor nice to shops.
Ragnar69 wrote: I was very disappointed. There was a big room for the tournaments with very bad tables. They used mousepad maps but they have been thinnier than my gamemat.eu maps and didn't lie completely flat. Most terrain was old GW ruins, spraypainted and drybrushed, no details, and glued on plain grey wood bases. It's been a long time since I attended a tournament with this low terrain quality. Ok, it was way better that that awful London GT stuff, but I wasn't there.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better* (and I'm not talking about young bloods). Dude, which day did you visit. The cabinets were full, and with a high standard. I'am willing to bet on that you can't do better than 3/4 of the entries.
On Saturday. As I said, we left at 3 because we where bored. We have been there for less than 4 hours and spend a good amount of time in the food area and in the Bistro outside. And I never said I could paint better than most entries*. I said the bad outnumbered the stunning ones (i.e. the Phantom and Warlord Titans and the Khorne diorama). Most of the stuff was very nice and way better than I could do but nothing to write home about. We most likely haven't seen everything as we left early, but what we had seen was on average not as good as I had expected.
Next to it there where some promo tables for card games and a big area where they sold normal stuff (not even this weeks pre-orders :( ). Then the big FW queue area and a small FW sales area.
Above that there have been a few tables with about a dozen GW people from the different teams and 2 display tables (normal gaming size). which is more than on the old gamesdays.
The workshops have been very limited in number of attendees. And from their summyry on WarCom they haven't been really interesting.
No games you could join. No stunning huge displays. No painting workshops. No new models on display, Rogue Traders was the newest and we already seen high quality pics of those. They could have had at least the Speedfreekz stuff on display. No video game presence. No display pieces like a life-sized Space Marine or something. Not even an attempt to get the crowd yell "WAAAAAAAAGH". Problem here is, that GW shipped everything at WhF form Nottingham - and would leve on 6 on sunday. That imited stuff, but I agree could be handled better. And thank god noone was trying to "Waaaaagh". That stuff was annoying as f.... and always forced.
This was just a glorified sales pitch without flavor. So it's basiclly like every GD back in the day, but you remeber it in nostagia, only remembering the highlights. Not at all comparable to the very first Games Day in Germany in the 90ies. Won't attend again.
That's not nostalgia. The one I visited was way bigger, had at least 1 huge display( I think there was also another one), games you could join, a huge silver screen showing an animated Björn in action and a lot more people had been there. Ok, there was less staff, I remember only 3: Fat Bloke,a sculptor whose name I forgot who did BFG ships and Andy Chambers (complete with sideburns). IRRC also 1 or 2 Heavy Metal guys. GW was also a lot smaller then, I don't know if Forgeworld and Black Library already existed. And we stayed there all day long and would have stayed longer if it wouldn't had closed. And the sales area was tiny compared to the rest of the location.
I would have at least expected a large display featuring the new terrain and more models than you could see in a normal game.
Was there even a Titanicus table? I can't remember as I'm not interested in that game.
When GD is on Sunday, and you left at saturday 3 pm you shouldn't judge what you haven't see. What your doing is like saying Avangers 4 sucked after leaving after the trailers and the first 2 1/2 minutes! *=yeah nice contradiction. And from your list of "stunning ones" its easy to tell, that you don't know head from ass and are only impressed by BIIIIG pieces, no matter the quality.
And concerning displays and gaming tables, back in the GD-days till 208ish, all things were done by German stores - mandatory! Organised by the German Headquater that provided everything on display! As said this year everything had to be shipped in from the UK. But as you didn't even noticed everything, as you demonstrated with Titanicus, you are a poor judge for the event!
Being British jokes at ones own expense are totally normal and the foundation of decades of solid comedy! Plus half the game is making fun of your opponents army
Besides my army - not going to let any of you sas or joke about my armies or anything!!!
Overread wrote: Being British jokes at ones own expense are totally normal and the foundation of decades of solid comedy! Plus half the game is making fun of your opponents army
Besides my army - not going to let any of you sas or joke about my armies or anything!!!
This is serious business Overread! We can't have jokes now, especially not about super-duper-serious Space Nuns Military forces!
Overread wrote: Being British jokes at ones own expense are totally normal and the foundation of decades of solid comedy! Plus half the game is making fun of your opponents army
Besides my army - not going to let any of you sas or joke about my armies or anything!!!
This is serious business Overread! We can't have jokes now, especially not about super-duper-serious Space Nuns Military forces!
mm what about orks can we have ork jokes?
I don't collect them so they aren't one of my armies and they are certainly not space nuns with a military ideology.
Unless - wait - orks are always getting into fights right and their gods are Gork and Mork who are basically patrons of battle and brawling!! And hold on Orks aren't even exactly male as they are sort of spawned by spores
That's not nostalgia. The one I visited was way bigger, had at least 1 huge display( I think there was also another one), games you could join, a huge silver screen showing an animated Björn in action and a lot more people had been there. Ok, there was less staff, I remember only 3: Fat Bloke,a sculptor whose name I forgot who did BFG ships and Andy Chambers (complete with sideburns). IRRC also 1 or 2 Heavy Metal guys. GW was also a lot smaller then, I don't know if Forgeworld and Black Library already existed. And we stayed there all day long and would have stayed longer if it wouldn't had closed. And the sales area was tiny compared to the rest of the location.
Yeah, the old Games Days were about gaming. They were a very different beasty. Kirby 'improved' the format by stripping out all of the extra guff so that the day could be focused on the part that we all enjoy the most - buying Citadel Miniatures!
Overread wrote: Being British jokes at ones own expense are totally normal and the foundation of decades of solid comedy! Plus half the game is making fun of your opponents army
Besides my army - not going to let any of you sas or joke about my armies or anything!!!
This is serious business Overread! We can't have jokes now, especially not about super-duper-serious Space Nuns Military forces!
Those BDSM nuns are not to be trifled with. They will just spank your bare bottom ass. Also pray to the emperor that they don´t notice your boner otherwise you´ll be getting into real deep trouble.
That's not nostalgia. The one I visited was way bigger, had at least 1 huge display( I think there was also another one), games you could join, a huge silver screen showing an animated Björn in action and a lot more people had been there. Ok, there was less staff, I remember only 3: Fat Bloke,a sculptor whose name I forgot who did BFG ships and Andy Chambers (complete with sideburns). IRRC also 1 or 2 Heavy Metal guys. GW was also a lot smaller then, I don't know if Forgeworld and Black Library already existed. And we stayed there all day long and would have stayed longer if it wouldn't had closed. And the sales area was tiny compared to the rest of the location.
Yeah, the old Games Days were about gaming. They were a very different beasty. Kirby 'improved' the format by stripping out all of the extra guff so that the day could be focused on the part that we all enjoy the most - buying Citadel Miniatures!
Exactly. The biggest area have been average tournament tables and the sales area. I'm not again travelling 250 km and spending 75 euros on tickets for the family for this travesty.
The white knights can defend this all they want, it sucked. And tell me, what was better on Sunday apart from more GD entries?
Latter day games days were rubbish. Nice day out I guess, but no previews, little studio interaction.
But Warhammerfest is an improvement. Live painting demos, previews, good chances to speak with the designers, multiple seminars, tournaments, licensed partner demos. All sorts.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Latter day games days were rubbish. Nice day out I guess, but no previews, little studio interaction..
It did all take a bit of a nosedive when GW implemented their 'don't tell anyone about new releases more than a week in advance' policy. So yes, against that metric the Warhammer Fest is probably an improvement. It still seems somewhat light-on compared to the older Games Days, though.
I’ve enjoyed the ones I’ve been to (think I missed this years).
Not something I’d attend both days for, outside of Loot Sharing purchases (do that on the Saturday, nice and early. Whizz the gubbins back to hotel room).
But they’re not as rammed as Games Day Of Old. That allows me to get round to see what I want, more or less when I want. You don’t feel guilty having a ten minute chat with the designers. You don’t feel rushed or crowded (and that’s me with mild social anxiety that doesn’t like being even slightly jostled).
There is room for improvement of course. There always is. Couple of unique participation games would be welcome. Add extra tables for pick games (advertise as 1,500 or whatever, so peeps know what to bring). There’s hall at the U.K. venue (provided they stay there, natch) that weren’t part of the ones I’ve been to, so logistics aside, there is room for expansion.
But as others have said on the previous page - each store contributing isn’t practical anymore, not on the previous scale.
Still an enjoyable enough event as it is though. At the risk of sounding snobby, pretentious and a Richard, it feels a bit more ‘grown up’ than Games Days used to. Mind you, I’m a lot more grown up than I was, so that’ll have played a part.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, working Games Day sucks a lot of the fun out of it.
Still got my Cadia staff t-short though. 15 years old that tee.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Latter day games days were rubbish. Nice day out I guess, but no previews, little studio interaction..
It did all take a bit of a nosedive when GW implemented their 'don't tell anyone about new releases more than a week in advance' policy. So yes, against that metric the Warhammer Fest is probably an improvement. It still seems somewhat light-on compared to the older Games Days, though.
Thing is back in the old days we'd wait months for a release; now we really only have a week for any kind of release from GW. So I can well understand their marketing shift toward generally focusing on the next month or two only. Plus it means that when they do leak or give us info its almost 100% confirmed. A lot of companies make the mistake (Looking at you former Spartan Games) of releasing info too early and then either never delivering on the date or having so many set backs that it gets pushed into a year or more away. That in itself only annoys customers . Whilst we might not get all the info we want, we at least get solid info from gW.
I think it was a great event, the seminars were good, Adam Troke gave away a lot of new Lotr rules and was generally a cool guy.
That being said next time I wouldn't take the weekend ticket again, there wasn't that much going on on sunday.
I think they missed the opportunity to do an exclusive preview/Onboxing of the Space Wolves Codex. In fact the rules guy didn't tell you more about it than WarCom said, while at the same time you could watch Youtubers reading the whole thing.
Golden Daemon and Tournament moderation was a little weak. Basically they simply read the names and that was it. Would've been interesting to at least hear why they chose that model, what made it stand out or what list did the tournament winner bring.
I think the nadir of the old Games Days was where the biggest display was the new Skaven that had come out like 2 weeks prior. That was it.
The best, at least back in the day, might've been the GD where they revealed not only the first Power Armour Grey Knights (and the Grey Knight range for Codex: Daemon Hunters) but the Enforcers for Necromunda!
Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote: Sorry if this was brought up already, but has there been any news about the Fires of Cyraxus or Talons of the Emperor Imperial Armours?
Well Talons has been bumped in favour of the next HH book, so at this point I think Fires is just dead and buried since they apparently wanted to throw out all the fluff as well as all the rules, in other words start from scratch. Far more likely after Talons they move on to replacing all the stuff they've culled recently with eleventy-bajillion Primaris bits & bobs.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better (and I'm not talking about young bloods). Dude, which day did you visit. The cabinets were full, and with a high standard. I'am willing to bet on that you can't do better than 3/4 of the entries.
Irrelevant. You don't need to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad.
Then there was the Golden Demon area. When we left at 3 the cabinets haven't exactly be bristling with models and while there have been a few stunning pieces, there where way more that I could have painted way better (and I'm not talking about young bloods). Dude, which day did you visit. The cabinets were full, and with a high standard. I'am willing to bet on that you can't do better than 3/4 of the entries.
Irrelevant. You don't need to eat dog gak to know it tastes bad.
My dog insists that is simply a matter of personal preferences and personal taste
Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote: Sorry if this was brought up already, but has there been any news about the Fires of Cyraxus or Talons of the Emperor Imperial Armours?
Well Talons has been bumped in favour of the next HH book, so at this point I think Fires is just dead and buried since they apparently wanted to throw out all the fluff as well as all the rules, in other words start from scratch. Far more likely after Talons they move on to replacing all the stuff they've culled recently with eleventy-bajillion Primaris bits & bobs.
Not that I dont believe you, but where did you hear this info about talons?
Another reason I hate FW. Takes them forever to release rules for 8th.
). So long as they're not completely plastered in armour.
There is always the chance that its a new universal spell, or part of a brand new faction. But is there anybody else that has fire and bulls as themes other than the big hats?
