Plastic Ursurax?

I honestly can’t tell. Even now, if you put painted versions in front of me, I could tell plastic from resin for any of the Heresy stuff.

Edges of the turbine look a lot thinner to me.

There’s also no running pose legs - but that’s not exactly conclusive in itself.

I am confident plakky Ursarak are coming, as I don’t think anything not-Titan-sized is gonna remain resin for Mechanicum, given it’s such a small range.

But that doesn’t mean these are those. They could be of course. And my bloody getting some as soon as I can.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Edges of the turbine look a lot thinner to me.

The shape of the face looks slightly different and there doesn't appear to be a little tooth-grill thing in the "mouth".
Also not sure on the how poseable the resin Ursurax are, but the ones in the picture don't match FW versions as far as I can tell.

You can see a join across the top of the turbines, which would also suggest that they are plastic.

Yesterday answered so many of our questions tho

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Is it even guaranteed that every Thursday is a new model? Also it can be for LI, right?

Designing the Dark Mechanicum

The new article has two nice images that show the size of the new Dark Mech machines compared to titans and Mechanicum units:

Also this:

That isn't to say these machines will never appear at the Age of Darkness scale, but that's a long way off!

Sounds like we shouldn't expect them anytime soon even if the ones shown in images are full size models

Awww.

Behold the Martian Taghmatas fresh from our community painters' forges

Just give me the full sized flying potato pls

beast_gts wrote:
Behold the Martian Taghmatas fresh from our community painters' forges

Spoiler:

Chrissie Orton with the flawless victory.

Other Thanatar, Karacnos and both Krios now showing as “sold out online” on the UK we store.

Could mean a solid second wave for Mechanicum.

 Matrindur wrote:
Designing the Dark Mechanicum

The new article has two nice images that show the size of the new Dark Mech machines compared to titans and Mechanicum units:

Spoiler:

Also this:

That isn't to say these machines will never appear at the Age of Darkness scale, but that's a long way off!

Sounds like we shouldn't expect them anytime soon even if the ones shown in images are full size models

Or maybe Forgeworld will get their act together and do big ass models again?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dreamforge games released their not-titans which literally required assembly with screws (provided w the kit along with a small screwdriver) to hold it together

Armorcast used bolt screws for their Titans way before Dreamforge did.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s also no running pose legs - but that’s not exactly conclusive in itself.

The running pose is the one all the way to the right, you can see the lifted leg.

Most notably, they're lacking the new shoulder pad additions the plastic Thallax have and the plastic Thallax kit is definitely set up to share the leg/shoulder pad sprue with the Ursurax.


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 Snrub wrote:
The shape of the face looks slightly different and there doesn't appear to be a little tooth-grill thing in the "mouth".

It's there, it's just hard to see due to the darkness of the picture.

Hopefully the melee weapons are up for preorder this year..

Oh, and @Snrub, both the resin Thallax and Ursurax legs use un-keyed ball joints for the legs with the Ursurax including a number of non-flat feet.

 Platuan4th wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dreamforge games released their not-titans which literally required assembly with screws (provided w the kit along with a small screwdriver) to hold it together

Armorcast used bolt screws for their Titans way before Dreamforge did.

I've seen that, didn't realize that came as part of the kit, just assumed it was a modeling hack done by individual builders

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dreamforge games released their not-titans which literally required assembly with screws (provided w the kit along with a small screwdriver) to hold it together

Armorcast used bolt screws for their Titans way before Dreamforge did.

I've seen that, didn't realize that came as part of the kit, just assumed it was a modeling hack done by individual builders

Nope, the threads are cast on and they were included both for ease of transport and for ability to swap loadouts.

Those bolts on my armourcast warhound are solid, and hold it together very well.

Like pinning, but hardcore.

So no Heresy Thursday?

Francesca Baerald posted nice images of her Siege of Terra maps on Twitter this morning - my guess is that Heresy Thursday is regarding that.

https://x.com/FBaerald/status/1849428314118574451

 Malika2 wrote:
So no Heresy Thursday?

4pm it would seem.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
So no Heresy Thursday?

4pm it would seem.

Or not…

Heresy Thursday may have been dislodged by the need to damage control the WarHammer Underworlds leaks...

That sounds like their problem rather than ours… Not being funny, I’m not sure why they even bought it back if they had 2 weeks of content before a colour scheme article and an empty week. (Reserving the right to foolishly calm down if it goes up at 5pm or something)

Obviously lost in the Warp.

 ImAGeek wrote:
That sounds like their problem rather than ours… Not being funny, I’m not sure why they even bought it back if they had 2 weeks of content before a colour scheme article and an empty week. (Reserving the right to foolishly calm down if it goes up at 5pm or something)

And out of that 2 weeks of content I'm starting to think they delayed the melee weapons because they had feck all else planned for the end of the year.
Either that or they were gonna really drag out the mechanicum LI reveals.

Weak sauce.

It's 19:45 here in Germany. I give up. Such a heresy...

The Hunchback will have something to say about this!

Especially weird as we know the LI Mechanicum tanks are going to be coming (in the book and hiding in plain sight in a couple of articles) and they haven't been officially previewed yet, which surely would have been low hanging fruit. Ah well.

SamusDrake wrote:
The Hunchback will have something to say about this!

The hunchback says many things…

LOL, he's definitely a Heresy fan!

Well, it's still better than the 3 Thursdays they spent un-releasing resin Contemptor legs and arms?

...it's bad enough we have to share Heresy Thursdays with LI, but now this? A no-call no-show this early in to the restarting?!?

Just a stab in the dark but I think they're holding back for an imminent announcement for a new Adeptus Titanicus boxed game( probably just a new starter set ). There's a lot of variables to consider, but the delay of the Dark Mechanicum kits is interesting as they have AT terminals included. I've been holding back on purchases just incase...

I'm also wondering if the slow-up in releases for The Horus Heresy might be due to the possibility of a new edition in the summer. The current boxed set is looking very stale and expensive with only Marines, when we now have plastic ranges for Solar and Mechanicum as well. Also, with the introduction of Legions Imperialis, it would make sense for HH to include it's own "combat patrol" style system for smaller games. While I don't like it's implementation(static lists), its still a good idea worth exploring.

I just want my melee weapons put up for preorder already....

Its ridiculous that its taking this long to put out a single kit of upgrades, yet they've released a load of unnecessary large tank kits. I remember the wait being frustrating for just the rocket pods for the AT Questoris, but this has taken not just the biscuit but the whole pack of chocolate Hobknobs.

I mean it was the same with the assault marines. It's really impressive at this point that they are this oblivious for what most players actually need and instead are still going for "Opps... All Tanks!".

 Shadox wrote:
I mean it was the same with the assault marines. It's really impressive at this point that they are this oblivious for what most players actually need and instead are still going for "Opps... All Tanks!".

I doubt they are just oblivious to it, at least not completely.
There is likely just some reason we don't know that made it way easier for them to make all those tank kits first instead of infantry (And I mean in addition to just being easier to sculpt or being able to release multiple tanks on nearly the same base sprues) and they just didn't think it was worth it/ didn't care enough to do it the other way around.
Also its not like there wouldn't have been any outcry no matter how they did it. Of course the best way would have been to get a balanced release schedule of both tanks and infantry but it might just not have been enough of an improvement in sales and customer satisfaction for the accounting people to outweigh whatever downside that option had

Hasnt it been speculated that HH plastics tackle tanks first most of the time, because they want to reduce the amount of resin kit production ASAP? And getting rid of the large resin models first makes the most sense for this

Tanks are also larger and more expensive, so probably higher margin of return, especially when multiple kits share 75-80% of sprues.

There's probably some efficiency benefit for the wire spark erosion process too.
I dunno, maybe the pre-machining can get closer to the limits or something.

Sunday Preview – The new edition of Warhammer Underworlds is nearly here

Melee Weapons! (and templates!)

And I’ll be needing both.

Spesh the templates. Kinda bonkers such an essential play tool hasn’t be available for a while.

sighs in Australia

Hopefully only delayed by 1-2 weeks here...

It only feels right after such a long, long wait...as Heresy players be like...

Splendid. One Assault weapons kit please!

Wow I didn't think we'd see Apoc templates again

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow I didn't think we'd see Apoc templates again

interestingly they have re-released the Apocalypse 1st edition templates, not the 2nd edition one with the movable barrage templates. I do prefer how the older barrage looks though.

 Haighus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow I didn't think we'd see Apoc templates again

interestingly they have re-released the Apocalypse 1st edition templates, not the 2nd edition one with the movable barrage templates. I do prefer how the older barrage looks though.

The 2nd edition ones had movable barrage, but also hellstorm was 2 pieces and had to be clipped together, and thelarge blast was 15/10/5" made of 4 corners that need assembled. Having both, I like the first set better

Honestly it probably just took them this long to find the mould in the back of the warehouse, behind the wall of doomsday clocks, under the pile of plastic thunderhawks.

They found them while looking for their escaped website dev team.

 tauist wrote:
Hasnt it been speculated that HH plastics tackle tanks first most of the time, because they want to reduce the amount of resin kit production ASAP? And getting rid of the large resin models first makes the most sense for this

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tanks are also larger and more expensive, so probably higher margin of return, especially when multiple kits share 75-80% of sprues.

See this logic always struck me as odd, because seeing treadhead armies is quite rare in my experience and most people seem to buy a couple of tanks, and often as their "final" purchases for a planned army. I dunno maybe mech-heavy event/tournament lists are skewing GW's perception, but if I wanted to clear resin stock and make money I'd be rushing to plastic-ify the stuff that most people are buying 10+ boxes of as soon as they start, and that's infantry.

I don't think releasing a slew of tanks during the initial stages of the 2nd edition of the game was a bad idea at all. For many people, the Heresy-era vehicles are big part of the attraction of WH30k, but the fact that they were only available in resin was a major turn-off. I agree that infantry units tend to dominate most lists, but remember that the people who actually play are only part of the customer base, and there are plenty of customers buying the models just to build and paint them. GW probably wanted to tap into that demand - and start to reduce FW's resin vehicle output. The issue was that there was a need for models for other basic units that was not being met; in fact, for a while the only thing they seemed to be releasing was minor variations on existing vehicles (usually only involving a replacement sprue). I would question whether there is actually more money for them in tank kits; I would have thought that a sprue of infantry with 5 poses is unlikely to be any more expensive to get into production than a tank, but infantry kits probably sell in exponentially greater numbers.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Spesh the templates. Kinda bonkers such an essential play tool hasn’t be available for a while.

I prefer the original orange version. I still have some, new and attached to the sprue.

 Snord wrote:


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Spesh the templates. Kinda bonkers such an essential play tool hasn’t be available for a while.

I prefer the original orange version. I still have some, new and attached to the sprue.

Orange? Are you thinking the normal set of templates? These are the Apoc templates- the 5" clover, Hellstorm and 10" Blast ones.

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 Snord wrote:


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Spesh the templates. Kinda bonkers such an essential play tool hasn’t be available for a while.

I prefer the original orange version. I still have some, new and attached to the sprue.

Orange? Are you thinking the normal set of templates? These are the Apoc templates- the 5" clover, Hellstorm and 10" Blast ones.

Which, from what I recall, were originally released in a nice lime green (similar to the old Necron gauss rods). They released a version of the standard templates in the same gree around the same time, which were my first set of templates.

All the swords are right handed, all the pistols left handed.

In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, no one dual wields.

(I know, it's not an impossible conversion, but still, guys, come on!)

Yes the original was definitely neon green. I still use the Hellstrom template as a rule for long cuts in plasticard.

Prices for this week:
Melee upgrades are the same price as the ranged weapon upgrades

Nice.

I’m never gonna say GW stuff is cheap, but the Heresy upgrade kits are pretty good value.

Ooh. This also means lots of new toys for Necromunda. Because every 28mm infantry kit and upgrade is a Necromunda kit.

37€? Whoa that is much cheaper then I thought.

I suppose it does mean they have managed to cram all that stuff in the same sprue footprint as the ranged weapons, which is impressive.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yes the original was definitely neon green. I still use the Hellstrom template as a rule for long cuts in plasticard.

Yes, I misremembered the colour. Another sign of advancing age, I guess I found my orange standard templates, but there is no sign of the Apocalypse versions.

FINALLY x23!

Hopefully the website doesn't crash next weekend.

 Snord wrote:
I don't think releasing a slew of tanks during the initial stages of the 2nd edition of the game was a bad idea at all. For many people, the Heresy-era vehicles are big part of the attraction of WH30k, but the fact that they were only available in resin was a major turn-off. I agree that infantry units tend to dominate most lists, but remember that the people who actually play are only part of the customer base, and there are plenty of customers buying the models just to build and paint them. GW probably wanted to tap into that demand - and start to reduce FW's resin vehicle output. The issue was that there was a need for models for other basic units that was not being met; in fact, for a while the only thing they seemed to be releasing was minor variations on existing vehicles (usually only involving a replacement sprue). I would question whether there is actually more money for them in tank kits; I would have thought that a sprue of infantry with 5 poses is unlikely to be any more expensive to get into production than a tank, but infantry kits probably sell in exponentially greater numbers.

Re bolded, that was rather the point; making the tanks in plastic makes sense in absolute terms, but if your potential for production or release slots is very limited then it surely makes *more* sense to transition the units people will be buying most of. That we're apparently going to get a second year of mostly vehicles genuinely boggles the noggin. And as for the collector/painter side, ehhhhh, I don't buy it. Assuming the game has no relevance to that market is one of the key mistakes of the Kirby management era; most of the people buying models but not playing games still use the hypothetical possibility that they might play a game to justify their purchases and so still buy complete armies. The number of people just buying a model to built it, paint it, and put it in a display case like you would with an Airfix or Gunpla kit isn't nonexistent, but I highly doubt it's genuinely significant.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I don't think releasing a slew of tanks during the initial stages of the 2nd edition of the game was a bad idea at all. For many people, the Heresy-era vehicles are big part of the attraction of WH30k, but the fact that they were only available in resin was a major turn-off. I agree that infantry units tend to dominate most lists, but remember that the people who actually play are only part of the customer base, and there are plenty of customers buying the models just to build and paint them. GW probably wanted to tap into that demand - and start to reduce FW's resin vehicle output. The issue was that there was a need for models for other basic units that was not being met; in fact, for a while the only thing they seemed to be releasing was minor variations on existing vehicles (usually only involving a replacement sprue). I would question whether there is actually more money for them in tank kits; I would have thought that a sprue of infantry with 5 poses is unlikely to be any more expensive to get into production than a tank, but infantry kits probably sell in exponentially greater numbers.

Re bolded, that was rather the point; making the tanks in plastic makes sense in absolute terms, but if your potential for production or release slots is very limited then it surely makes *more* sense to transition the units people will be buying most of. That we're apparently going to get a second year of mostly vehicles genuinely boggles the noggin. And as for the collector/painter side, ehhhhh, I don't buy it. Assuming the game has no relevance to that market is one of the key mistakes of the Kirby management era; most of the people buying models but not playing games still use the hypothetical possibility that they might play a game to justify their purchases and so still buy complete armies. The number of people just buying a model to built it, paint it, and put it in a display case like you would with an Airfix or Gunpla kit isn't nonexistent, but I highly doubt it's genuinely significant.

Maybe, but I'll be the proverbial exception that proves the rule. I've dropped quite a bit from covid onwards having come back into 40k after an absence of at least a decade (I think 4th Ed was last time I played). It was admittedly Primaris that got me back into it (well, better proportioned marines). I've built up over a 100 Blood angels, plus Necrons, Admech, Tyranids, and a company's worth of new Cadians. But I've never really expected to play any games, at least using GWs rules. They are too all over the place to want to bother keep up, so if I ever did play it would be with friends using some home brew version based on Bolt Action. I've got it 95% to model and paint, with the remote chance I may roll some dice over some beers with friend or two I subject to my nerdiness.

Gamers have always been the secondary market, some people won't accept this because it's not what they do/see, but that's how it is.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Spesh the templates. Kinda bonkers such an essential play tool hasn’t be available for a while.

Remember when GW decided that Templates were such a bad game design choice that they had to be removed from 40K?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

I’m still torn on that one.

Templates are fun to use, but in the past have lead to mindless bickering over whether a model is or isn’t hit, what’s a partial etc.

Rules introduced largely removed that, specifically partials.

But they could also slow down play, as particularly, ugh….dilligent opponents would insist on micro-measuring their movement and spacing to maximise coherency, thus minimising the number of hits a given template could inflict.

Not so bad on something like Marines where you’ve relatively few models. But when someone insisted on doing it with Nid or Ork Infantry Hordes? It took ages.

If you’re gonna include them in your rules though? Gonnae make them available, eh?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still torn on that one.

Templates are fun to use, but in the past have lead to mindless bickering over whether a model is or isn’t hit, what’s a partial etc.

Rules introduced largely removed that, specifically partials.

But they could also slow down play, as particularly, ugh….dilligent opponents would insist on micro-measuring their movement and spacing to maximise coherency, thus minimising the number of hits a given template could inflict.

Not so bad on something like Marines where you’ve relatively few models. But when someone insisted on doing it with Nid or Ork Infantry Hordes? It took ages.

If you’re gonna include them in your rules though? Gonnae make them available, eh?

Sounds more like an "opponent problem" than a "rules problem".

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still torn on that one.

Templates are fun to use, but in the past have lead to mindless bickering over whether a model is or isn’t hit, what’s a partial etc.

Rules introduced largely removed that, specifically partials.

But they could also slow down play, as particularly, ugh….dilligent opponents would insist on micro-measuring their movement and spacing to maximise coherency, thus minimising the number of hits a given template could inflict.

Not so bad on something like Marines where you’ve relatively few models. But when someone insisted on doing it with Nid or Ork Infantry Hordes? It took ages.

If you’re gonna include them in your rules though? Gonnae make them available, eh?

Sounds more like an "opponent problem" than a "rules problem".

Eh... Spacing your models isn't an opponent being rude or unsporting. It's playing the game to the best of your ability.

The bickering I can agree is generally not sporting, but templates do have issues.

Yeah, much as I enjoyed the tactile experience of using the templates, 40K just works better without them.

Doesn’t seem to cause the same issues in Necromunda, but I guess that’s because you’re only dealing with a handful of models, so it’s more of a measuring device than a “how badly can I punish your horde” device.

Another Thursday.

Do we reckon joy? Or a third disappointment in a row?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Another Thursday.

Do we reckon joy? Or a third disappointment in a row?

Well if they show anything it will surely be the LI Karacnos and Krios as they were already due 2 weeks ago.
But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they won't show anything today again. Two weeks without an article and this soon after starting them up again likely means something went wrong internally and there is a reason why they can't show anything.
At least not getting a sentence at the end of an article that HH Thursdays are paused again should mean that its only temporary.

Kill Team and Underworlds are out of the bag now, so they probably will resume the articles today.

https://x.com/warhammer/status/1851978212970045679

Disappointment probably.

JWBS wrote:
Gamers have always been the secondary market, some people won't accept this because it's not what they do/see, but that's how it is.

If this comical nonsense were true, GW would be a figurine company. If the game didn't exist, the models wouldn't even be made let alone sell in the quantities they do - again, even most "collectors" build *armies*, and in their minds the fact they *could* use the models to play a game is how they justify buying them. This notion that there's a silent army of people out there buying a completely random(from the perspective of the game & IP) selection of individual models purely to paint and put on a shelf and that they're actually the majority of GW's sales was literally the thinking behind all of Kirby's dumb decisions that saw him replaced as CEO.

 Jadenim wrote:
Yeah, much as I enjoyed the tactile experience of using the templates, 40K just works better without them.

Strongly disagree. Quicker or simpler are not synonyms for better, turning template weapons into "just roll more dice" was one of the worst Shrimplification abstractions they introduced with the nustyle rules.

I’m allergic to Twitter, can anyone offer a potted version?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m allergic to Twitter, can anyone offer a potted version?

HH Thursday is a no-go for the second week running, despite previous claims from the Warhammer birb account to the contrary.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m allergic to Twitter, can anyone offer a potted version?

HH Thursday is a no-go for the second week running, despite previous claims from the Warhammer birb account to the contrary.

Bad company organisation in regards to communication. Even if it were a No-Go day a competent company would have a filler article or two at the ready.

They did have filler... for the Thursday two weeks ago...

Xirix wrote:
https://x.com/warhammer/status/1851978212970045679

Disappointment probably.

ARRRRGHHHH......throwing us into Elon Musk hell. No thank you.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Gamers have always been the secondary market, some people won't accept this because it's not what they do/see, but that's how it is.

If this comical nonsense were true, GW would be a figurine company. If the game didn't exist, the models wouldn't even be made let alone sell in the quantities they do - again, even most "collectors" build *armies*, and in their minds the fact they *could* use the models to play a game is how they justify buying them. This notion that there's a silent army of people out there buying a completely random(from the perspective of the game & IP) selection of individual models purely to paint and put on a shelf and that they're actually the majority of GW's sales was literally the thinking behind all of Kirby's dumb decisions that saw him replaced as CEO.

lmao. GW is a models company through and through. the reason why warhammer exists at all is because they had a bunch of models that they wanted to sell, and they figured rules and a bespoke game would do a better job of selling them. they have always been a primarily model-first company, and that has never changed

I'm guessing then theres a preview show coming very soon and they're saving it all for that, possibly due to the Fuegan leak which has left them a bit short.

In the comments they said next week on the 7th there will be another HH Thursday so lets hope its true this time because they also said today would have one earlier this week before saying it was a miscommunication now.
https://x.com/warhammer/status/1851990412648435877?t=0izPCSJVTcTtHf5QQoDH6Q&s=19

I really don't know why they can't at least show the LI Karacnos/Krios. They already accidently partly showed them in another article and they have rules in the book releasing in two days.

They might be wanting to hold off on other reveals until The Rise of the Dark Mechanicum is officially out, I guess.

Which is Saturday, thanks for the reminder!

MarkNorfolk wrote:
They might be wanting to hold off on other reveals until The Rise of the Dark Mechanicum is officially out, I guess.

It seems strange not to preview the previously seen tanks before the book release. Tin foil hat time now, but one thing I'm wondering is, maybe they're resin but they don't want to reveal that until after the release of the other Mechanicum stuff?

Nah, they’ve said on the preview LI is all plastic. Well. Additions will be.

I got a renewed vigor for 30k
I keep up to date on most of the releases, but did they ever announce plastic bikers or any rumor of them?

I think its only air-speeders at the moment.

No indication of Spatha bikes coming whatsoever, no.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I got a renewed vigor for 30k
I keep up to date on most of the releases, but did they ever announce plastic bikers or any rumor of them?

The closest indication is that bikers have been designed & released for LI, so there's a solid chance that a full scale design exists.

Probably more a question of when than if.

Little bikers! Totally forgot about those.

For me the weirder omission is that they haven't released scimitar bikers in mk3 armor, the kit was designed so that you all they need to do is swap 1 sprue out for the riders to make it happen.

chaos0xomega wrote:
For me the weirder omission is that they haven't released scimitar bikers in mk3 armor, the kit was designed so that you all they need to do is swap 1 sprue out for the riders to make it happen.

They could be waiting for a Spatha biker set to do a new rider sprue that is cross compatible, then have direct only spathas and scimitar with the opposite riders.

Did anybody find an unboxing of the Melee weapons? I want to know what poses are possible on Tacticals or at least see the sprues.

Siiiigh.

Another Thursday rolls around. And as I brace for disappointment, hope remains.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Siiiigh.

Another Thursday rolls around. And as I brace for disappointment, hope remains.

Current theories say it might be the anthology novel that leaked, given it's not being listed in paperback prints of the SOT books. But after a 2 week gap that'd be a bit of a wet slap.

So let's recap, it's been 5? weeks since Heresy Thursdays resumed and we got (checks notes):

1) Melee Weapon sprue
2) there is no 2

Is Li apart of the Heresy Thursdays?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Another Thursday rolls around. And as I brace for disappointment, hope remains.

For some of us, Thursday has been and (almost) gone. So every Thursday is a disappointment in so far as lack of Heresy content goes. Friday's though have been noted for the occasional Heresy article.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So let's recap, it's been 5? weeks since Heresy Thursdays resumed and we got (checks notes):

1) Melee Weapon sprue
2) there is no 2

Lets be honest though, as far as GW are concerned, that melee weapons sprue is so jam-packed full of stuff it's got to be at least worth 6 or maybe 7 weeks worth of Heresy content.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is Li apart of the Heresy Thursdays?

Yup.

Last ones were Dark Mechanicum (very groovy) then illustrated paint schemes for Solar Auxilia (interesting, but not what we’re there for)

Here's a question while we're waiting; Do the Dark-Mech walkers have void or ion shields?

Neither. They have Construct Shields.

Same immunities as Void Shields, but once down you can’t reignite.

In a squadron, all shields in the detachment must be stripped before you can get smashy smashy with the evil bug machines.

So, if I have a squadron of 6 Littler Ones, they’re Construct Shields [1]. The detachment can therefore absorb 6 hits from Light AT, Anti-Tank “no trait” and/or Shield Bane attacks, after that the squadron starts taking casualties.

Oh right. Not sure how they'll go about implementing those in Titanicus, but it'll be interesting to find out.

Same as LI I’d guess?

Squadron up ala Knights, count up and pool, and that’s your equivalent in Void Shields.

Gives them an interesting surviviability curve compared to Knights and Titans. Limited Sure Thing protectyness, but once it’s gone, you can’t get it back (don’t think there’s any way so far in LI to raise them back? Maybe a Formation. Will check)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So let's recap, it's been 5? weeks since Heresy Thursdays resumed and we got (checks notes):

1) Melee Weapon sprue
2) there is no 2

Given your notes don't include the LI Mechanicum Battlegroup (Sep 26) or the smaller Dark Mech Spidery Things for LI (Oct 10th) alongside the melee weapons sprue (Oct 3rd), you might want to work on those note-taking skills.

Not arguing that GW have dropped the ball somewhat since the initial announcement at the end of August that Heresy Thursday would be returning, but there are three official sets of reveals there.

Back from checking. Definitely no current way to regain lost Construct Shields.

Cool beans. Thanks for checking, Doc.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So let's recap, it's been 5? weeks since Heresy Thursdays resumed and we got (checks notes):

1) Melee Weapon sprue
2) there is no 2

Given your notes don't include the LI Mechanicum Battlegroup (Sep 26) or the smaller Dark Mech Spidery Things for LI (Oct 10th) alongside the melee weapons sprue (Oct 3rd), you might want to work on those note-taking skills.

Not arguing that GW have dropped the ball somewhat since the initial announcement at the end of August that Heresy Thursday would be returning, but there are three official sets of reveals there.

HH players don't really view LI models as "new HH models". Just saying, old buddy.

I mean, that's completely not true though? You can't claim to speak for all HH players when HH:LI is a objectively a Heresy game.

It would be like saying KT isn't 40k or Warcry isn't AoS.

Nobody is disagreeing that Heresy Thursdays should have been better but pretending LI isn't a part of it when Titanicus was part of it before is just needlessly divisive.

 Gert wrote:
It would be like saying KT isn't 40k or Warcry isn't AoS.

Funny you should bring that up...

Dudeface wrote:

Current theories say it might be the anthology novel that leaked, given it's not being listed in paperback prints of the SOT books. But after a 2 week gap that'd be a bit of a wet slap.

Black Library reveals are normally posted on Wednesdays. In terms of books, so far HH Thursday has only shown new rules content.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kxdnixtt/heresy-thursday-enlist-the-support-of-mighty-battle-automata-with-free-legions-imperialis-cybernetica-rules/

Free LI rules.

Disappointing for HH players but a very good thing for LI.

Could still be more later.

Probably not, but still possible.

Lets hope so!

Anyways, guess I’m in the market for Automata sets when they’re released.

Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Let's extrapolate: Anyone else kinda wish HH just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from 40k. Should've left historical content in IA books.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could still be more later.

Probably not, but still possible.

Wouldn't bet on it but what if we get three HH Thursdays today to make up for the two missed weeks

Wouldn't that be something. XD

 Gert wrote:
I mean, that's completely not true though? You can't claim to speak for all HH players when HH:LI is a objectively a Heresy game.

It would be like saying KT isn't 40k or Warcry isn't AoS.

Nobody is disagreeing that Heresy Thursdays should have been better but pretending LI isn't a part of it when Titanicus was part of it before is just needlessly divisive.

Killteam units are in the correct scale to be used in 40k. Warcry units are in the correct scale to be used in Sigmar. LI units are not in the correct scale to use in HH. That's the difference.

Dudeface wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Let's extrapolate: Anyone else kinda wish HH just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from 40k. Should've left historical content in IA books.

Let's extrapolate further: Anyone else kinda wish 40k just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from WFB. Shoudl've left this grimdark sci-fi thing alone.

I love ya Dysartes.

It seems like they confirmed that HH Thursdays will no longer be weekly in this comment last week. I really wonder what happened that they had to limit the reveals this much. And since we get more for LI I wonder if HH is the problem

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Yes, yes, and yes.

 Dysartes wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Let's extrapolate: Anyone else kinda wish HH just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from 40k. Should've left historical content in IA books.

Let's extrapolate further: Anyone else kinda wish 40k just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from WFB. Shoudl've left this grimdark sci-fi thing alone.

Now we're talking!

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Nope.

Epic is, and always has been, the best thing GW ever produced.

Not you, Epic 40,000. Back in your hole! Back I say! BACK!

Bad game, dirty game, in your bed, down your hole!

Okay, Van Helsing, put the cross away and leave Lucy alone...

Oh look a filler Mechanicum rules that should have been in the Mechanicum book?

Epic (2nd edition, circa 1993) was my first GW game. A buddy had all six armies. Yeah there was a lot of inbalance and a lot of weird random stuff (ork mechanic cards and Chaos mutations for example, and special rules for Squat airships), but fun to see huge armies clashing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh look a filler Mechanicum rules that should have been in the Mechanicum book?

A pretty cool addition if you ask me.

And like the Forge Lord and Praevian consul, a useful way for me to field Mechanicum toys whilst I build up a full army.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Killteam units are in the correct scale to be used in 40k. Warcry units are in the correct scale to be used in Sigmar. LI units are not in the correct scale to use in HH. That's the difference.

Its Horus Heresy: Legions Imperialis and Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness.
Both fall under the Horus Heresy GW banner.
You and people like you are whinging endlessly because you aren't getting reveals for HH: AoD when Heresy Thursday has never only ever been about HH: AoD.
The scale has no bearing on what is included on a Heresy Thursday article when both games are Horus Heresy games.

 Gert wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Killteam units are in the correct scale to be used in 40k. Warcry units are in the correct scale to be used in Sigmar. LI units are not in the correct scale to use in HH. That's the difference.

Its Horus Heresy: Legions Imperialis and Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness.
Both fall under the Horus Heresy GW banner.
You and people like you are whinging endlessly because you aren't getting reveals for HH: AoD when Heresy Thursday has never only ever been about HH: AoD.
The scale has no bearing on what is included on a Heresy Thursday article when both games are Horus Heresy games.

I think the real issue is they don't have enough content to manage one a week. People would be more forgiving if it was both regular and alternated. Instead, we horus heresy something every 3-4 weeks and it might be a fluff article. Aka they needed have bothered announcing it's return.

The main reason I wish LI didn't exist is because I wish they'd done Epic instead.

Maybe the lack of Heresy stuff might be the sign of a twilight phase before a new edition of the game.

Dudeface wrote:

I think the real issue is they don't have enough content to manage one a week. People would be more forgiving if it was both regular and alternated. Instead, we horus heresy something every 3-4 weeks and it might be a fluff article. Aka they needed have bothered announcing it's return.

I disagree, people used to complain about Titanicus being on Heresy Thursday despite it being a Heresy game, and they were complaining that LI was on Heresy Thursday from the moment it was announced.
The latest batch of HH Thursdays being sparse has nothing to do with it.

Dudeface wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Killteam units are in the correct scale to be used in 40k. Warcry units are in the correct scale to be used in Sigmar. LI units are not in the correct scale to use in HH. That's the difference.

Its Horus Heresy: Legions Imperialis and Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness.
Both fall under the Horus Heresy GW banner.
You and people like you are whinging endlessly because you aren't getting reveals for HH: AoD when Heresy Thursday has never only ever been about HH: AoD.
The scale has no bearing on what is included on a Heresy Thursday article when both games are Horus Heresy games.

I think the real issue is they don't have enough content to manage one a week. People would be more forgiving if it was both regular and alternated. Instead, we horus heresy something every 3-4 weeks and it might be a fluff article. Aka they needed have bothered announcing it's return.

No, the real issue is that people get themselves too worked up about wether or not HH (whatever scale) gets an article each week. And when it does, then there's a lot of fussing over what it was (or wasnt) about.

Just accept that it's kinda random, read & enjoy each article on its own merritt. And in-between? Don't worry about it.

SamusDrake wrote:
Maybe the lack of Heresy stuff might be the sign of a twilight phase before a new edition of the game.

Boy I hope they don't have the stones to do that, when there are so many glaring rules issues that they haven't bothered FAQing. But I know better.

They really should just name it Heresy monthly. I'd be fine with expecting a single substantial article a month if it was guaranteed for 30K AOD.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Maybe the lack of Heresy stuff might be the sign of a twilight phase before a new edition of the game.

Boy I hope they don't have the stones to do that, when there are so many glaring rules issues that they haven't bothered FAQing. But I know better.

You'll get your three year edition churn, and you'll suck it up!

You don’t want a new edition, because there’s FAQs needed.

But…a new edition tends to bring that tidy up? Granted usually with new ones.

ccs wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Killteam units are in the correct scale to be used in 40k. Warcry units are in the correct scale to be used in Sigmar. LI units are not in the correct scale to use in HH. That's the difference.

Its Horus Heresy: Legions Imperialis and Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness.
Both fall under the Horus Heresy GW banner.
You and people like you are whinging endlessly because you aren't getting reveals for HH: AoD when Heresy Thursday has never only ever been about HH: AoD.
The scale has no bearing on what is included on a Heresy Thursday article when both games are Horus Heresy games.

I think the real issue is they don't have enough content to manage one a week. People would be more forgiving if it was both regular and alternated. Instead, we horus heresy something every 3-4 weeks and it might be a fluff article. Aka they needed have bothered announcing it's return.

No, the real issue is that people get themselves too worked up about wether or not HH (whatever scale) gets an article each week. And when it does, then there's a lot of fussing over what it was (or wasnt) about.

Just accept that it's kinda random, read & enjoy each article on its own merritt. And in-between? Don't worry about it.

Whilst I agree with your message, this is another in the recent trend of GW switch and baits / half truths they're selling a lot of recently.

Heresy Thursday was previously some HH related content every Thursday, regardless of scale. It stopped. GW announced with fanfare it was back.

Expectation then is that it was back in it's old form, in reality it was "if there's HH news it'll be on a Thursday, when relevant. To us." They withheld the context so they're not wrong, but false expectations were created.

It would be really fun it the LI and HH was different guys writing and the LI suddenly took a weird alternative timeline making up some radical non-canon turn of events.

Like watching Game of Thrones while knowing how the books play out.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Maybe the lack of Heresy stuff might be the sign of a twilight phase before a new edition of the game.

Boy I hope they don't have the stones to do that, when there are so many glaring rules issues that they haven't bothered FAQing. But I know better.

They really should just name it Heresy monthly. I'd be fine with expecting a single substantial article a month if it was guaranteed for 30K AOD.

The best outcome you can hope for is the proper scale HH being sidelined until the siege of terra.
That seems (to me at least) to be why GW are focussing on LI.
The proper HH mars book was an excuse to bypass any actual mechanicum releases (where the feth are my arlataxes GW?) and revolved around space marines after the civil war was won.
Fast forward a bit, and the LI book actually covered events during the Schizm of Mars, got an arlatax, introduced the new mechanicum without copypasting supplimentary PDFs to introduce old 40k chaos models into the HH in defiance of known lore, got multiple new faction specific units...

It stands to reason that they didnt want to (or decided they are unable to) do the civil war on mars and the new mechanicum in a proper scale and outsourced the plot to a lesser system.

GW hates you.
First stage of dealing with grief is denial.
I've skipped ahead to acceptance.

They should just can Heresy Thursday and return the ad hoc 'Legion Dispatch' of pre-2.0 if they don't intend to keep it weekly. Shoddy communication as always

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Nope.

Epic is, and always has been, the best thing GW ever produced.

Not you, Epic 40,000. Back in your hole! Back I say! BACK!

Bad game, dirty game, in your bed, down your hole!

Look if we're actually going to have a schism the obvious answer is that 30k AoD sucks because it's based on 40k and they're both TERRIBLE games for the amount of minis they've scope-crept into, and LI also sucks because it claims it's about all these big battles but instead of a clean elegant system for large games you're stuck dealing with whether each of your leman russes have heavy bolters or lascannons, and Epic 40,000 only sucks because it hasn't gotten a re-issue. On the upside at least they didn't run E40k's legacy by turning it into a three-faction game ala SM2E becoming LI. I say all this while accumulating a significant number of SolAux, but what I'd really have is nonhumans.

In all seriousness though the "Heresy Thursday is back" thing really does seem hollow, but I don't know if that's just someone saying things and not following up, or an intentional bait and switch because they know we'll buy stuff anyway, or if it's something unexpected happening. I do think it'd likely have left us feeling less sour if they just didn't announce it and periodically announced some 30k era stuff, whatever game it's in - and while I like the setting, I do think the fluff pieces are a bit naff, even if the SolAux finally got a few regiments named.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Anyone else kinda just wish LI just never existed in the first place? Just takes away from focusing on 30k. Should've left Titanicus alone.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Nope.

Epic is, and always has been, the best thing GW ever produced.

Not you, Epic 40,000. Back in your hole! Back I say! BACK!

Bad game, dirty game, in your bed, down your hole!

Blood Bowl players would disagree with you . But would then buy you a drink and teach you the BEST game ever! Proceed to roll terribly, yell, scream and cuss until they begin to cry in a fetal position complaining about the dice gods being fickle s, have a good laugh and get up to play another match.

So what's the cutoff point for games being considered "best game GW ever produced"? My guess is 1999.

Epic fans are lucky in that by the end of 2025 there will be two other epic scale sci-fi games on the market with 8 distinct factions each. Oh and a fantasy one

Blood Bowl is disqualified for being a game I’ve played most editions of, but never really understood.

And as everyone knows, when you don’t understand something, it’s that something which is bad and wrong

But jokes aside, I was incredibly excited and enthused when they revealed that Legions Imperialis was to be largely rooted in 2nd Ed Epic.

The bones of the game (Orders, CAF, the main rules) are all there. They worked then, and they work now. Just by changing up how Orders are issued can add real distinction between forces. And the “everyone picks and reveals at the same times” adds some genuine subtlety. As does your Order determining what that unit can and can’t do that turn, as well as when really helps an alternating activation, as it can very hard to unblunder a tactical whoopsie where you failed to second guess what your opponent was going for that turn.

I do however welcome the Traits. Whilst white…crunchy, perhaps? They’re an adaptation of one of Epic Armageddon’s best bits - weapons having separate Anti Infantry and Anti Tank potential.

All these rules bring the considerations which make the game easy to play but very difficult to master. With the basic mechanics being really straight forward (I roll to hit, you roll to save, death/damage) the real thought and strategy begins with your list, then deployment, then how good you are at considering a turn or two in advance orders wise, whilst also anticipating what your opponents Orders might be.

I’m told the balance currently isn’t great, and I currently lack in-game experience to refute or confirm. But the core of the game is what appeals to me, because it’s so different.

Lets take these lines of discussion else where please and stop bumping this thread with Ot. Thanks.

40K Battleforces up for pre-order next week.

Why mention this in the AoD thread? Simple. Imperial Knight box is a reasonable start to a Questoris force.

If the Knight box is available and with indie discount...maybe. I love the Armigers but the larger Knights feel a bit too much for 40K and 30K - I'd have one and that would be it.

Does this one come with the option to arm it with a thunderstrike gauntlet as well?

The Tau set has "Gamma Wolves" written all over it.

SamusDrake wrote:
Does this one come with the option to arm it with a thunderstrike gauntlet as well?

Not if the current description is correct -

This Valourstrike Lance contains a Knight Paladin (which can also be built as a Knight Errant)

(the fist is on the Gallant / Warden sprue)

Ah, so it's just three sprues then; frame, armour and a single weapons frame.

At least the ickle ones have both loadouts, so that’s nice.

I think the Knight box is the first bundle deal that has bits for both Armiger types.

Which is really good. They could have called it quits with 2 Warglaives and 2 Helverins quite easily, with the Questoris being there as just a leadership unit.

Will need to check the Mechanicum Book, remind myself which Armiger weapons I can take in the Heavy Support slot.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Will need to check the Mechanicum Book, remind myself which Armiger weapons I can take in the Heavy Support slot.

None of those in the plastic kit if you mean the Moirax.

Bah, knickers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think the Knight box is the first bundle deal that has bits for both Armiger types.

Isn't it the first bundle deal for Knights since the Armigers went to having both weapon sets in the box?

Last years Knight bundle, I think, was all Helverins.

I'd completely missed there was a Knight bundle last year.

Objection withdrawn.

To be fair it was an instant sell out, so it was a blink-and-miss release.

Last one had two Helverines and two Warglaives, plus an upgrade sprue (and the Canis Rex sprue) for the big Knight to turn it into any variant.

All the Questoris Knight boxes make all the Knights including Canis Rex, even the 30k boxes.

The difference is the HH bboxes come with HH era transfers.

We're talking about army deals, not regular boxes.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
All the Questoris Knight boxes make all the Knights including Canis Rex, even the 30k boxes.

The difference is the HH bboxes come with HH era transfers.

They explicitly amended the original reveal article for the Battleforces to make it clear that the sprue required to build things outer than Paladin/Errant wasn't going to be in the box - and they were fairly clear about that point in the Sunday Preview article as well.

Buy a Knight on its own, and you're correct, but not so much for the Battleforce, disappointingly.

I stand corrected, BrookM. You are correct!

Personally I think 2 of each varient is pretty good, with the Knight being minimal enough to at least command them. As well rounded a Knight force one can hope for.

Small Valrak rumour from this video
He doesn't go in depth on specific rumours, its more about that 2025 will have way bigger support for HH than 2024 with the new edition.
The two specifics he said are that plastic SM superheavies are coming and that there should be something more shown in the next few weeks, probably at the November reveal show that should be next week but could also be a HH Thursday. Probably just a resin character or something like that but still

Still going on about a new edition I see. Hasn't Valrak been saying that since before Mk3 were redone?

 Gert wrote:
Still going on about a new edition I see. Hasn't Valrak been saying that since before Mk3 were redone?

Not sure but its not like he isn't correct most of the time and its not a vague rumour since we know what would be in that new boxset (MK2 Troops and Praetor, Saturnine Terminators and Dreadnought and a gun emplacement)
And the new decal sheet also supports that rumours since the box is supposed to be Salamanders vs Iron Warriors and those are on the newer decal sheet.
Its been at least since June since thats when this post on B&C about the decal sheet connection was made
https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383105-rumor-via-cm-valrak-salamander-vs-iron-warrior-box/

Ofc GW would adapt the custommer unfriendly 3 years / edition once more...

I think its speculation based solely on the assumption that GW releases every game on a 3-year cycle, which isn't always the case...

Warhammer Quest.
Adeptus Titanicus.
Blood Bowl.
Necromunda.
Underworlds.

It would be far better to introduce a new cost-effective starter set that replaces the current £200 Marine-only monstrosity. Probably taking a leaf out of Legions' book with Marines vs Solar so its not another dull marine mirror-match.

The whole thing is just a big wishlist that people are believing because he's a "content creator".
They want him to be right because you can't buy Mk2 anymore and there's a weird obsession with Saturning that I've never understood.

The decal sheet thing is just a massive joke, one that I've gone over before. Stickers don't mean there's going to be a new starter set.

and an updated intro box might well read as a new edition to people hearing 'leaks'.. given that in 40K and AoS a new edition and a new introbox always go hand in hand.

 Gert wrote:
The whole thing is just a big wishlist that people are believing because he's a "content creator".
They want him to be right because you can't buy Mk2 anymore and there's a weird obsession with Saturning that I've never understood.

The decal sheet thing is just a massive joke, one that I've gone over before. Stickers don't mean there's going to be a new starter set.

Is it more that you don't want a new edition, or more that you don't want him to be right?

 Gert wrote:
The whole thing is just a big wishlist that people are believing because he's a "content creator".
They want him to be right because you can't buy Mk2 anymore and there's a weird obsession with Saturning that I've never understood.

The decal sheet thing is just a massive joke, one that I've gone over before. Stickers don't mean there's going to be a new starter set.

Are you one of those people who irrationally hates Valrak because he is somewhat well-known? The dude is chill, he loves the game, and he gets told rumors. Most of which turn out to be spot on. I don't know how at this point you can deny his track record with anything close to a straight face.

Hes had an exceprional track record the past few years, so i dont doubt him at all. That being said, there are details he gets wrong. I can see him thinking its a new edition because he was told a new starter set is coming, but it turns out to just be a battlegroup box like the mk3 release.

I'm irritated by Valrak because at least one person in his information chain doesn't know anything about Warhammer so they just describe what they saw and the next person has to guess what that was.

Would I like a new edition? If GW had a track record of improving rules, I would... As it stands, I'm in no hurry to replace 1200 pages of books (core, good marines, bad marines) for what will inevitably be a random reshuffle of errors and balance at best.

I could see them release an updated or patched rulebook to go with a newer, no doubt smaller starter, not a complete revamp of what we have now in terms of rules. As, don't lynch me if I am wrong, this edition of HH is doing pretty okay, some points aside?




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Also, hasn't Valrak pretty much said that he knows feth all about anything outside of Marines? He said the scions would come with a something akin to a drop sentinel, which turned out to be a sentry gun instead.

It could be a new board game like Burning of Prospero, or Betrayal at Calth, if it is true that there is going to be the Iron-Warriors vs Salamanders.

If they could sneak that in for December? Was either previous game worth playing? My brother and I would have been just right as Wolves and Sons, respectively...

Didn't play either boardgame, but they were great sources for a lot of minis at a discount.

SamusDrake wrote:
It could be a new board game like Burning of Prospero, or Betrayal at Calth, if it is true that there is going to be the Iron-Warriors vs Salamanders.

If they could sneak that in for December? Was either previous game worth playing? My brother and I would have been just right as Wolves and Sons, respectively...

Betrayal at Calth is really good. The game play is pretty sleek and if you can, pick up a copy of the board and rules. Written by James Hewitt

James Hewitt. The man, the myth, the legend.

And yes, we'd probably be players of 30K if we had a copy of Burning of Prospero. The other one was Ultramarines, wasn't it?

 Matrindur wrote:
...and that there should be something more shown in the next few weeks, probably at the November reveal show that should be next week but could also be a HH Thursday.

Did I miss something, or is there not currently a November reveal show on the cards? Are there any big cons by the end of the month one could be tied to?

SamusDrake wrote:
James Hewitt. The man, the myth, the legend.

And yes, we'd probably be players of 30K if we had a copy of Burning of Prospero. The other one was Ultramarines, wasn't it?

Betrayal at Calth, Ultras vs Word Bearers

 Dysartes wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
...and that there should be something more shown in the next few weeks, probably at the November reveal show that should be next week but could also be a HH Thursday.

Did I miss something, or is there not currently a November reveal show on the cards? Are there any big cons by the end of the month one could be tied to?

The end of the last reveal show in early October mentioned that there would be a preview at the World Championships/Grand Narrative in November. It's taking place next weekend (22-24 November)

 zedmeister wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
It could be a new board game like Burning of Prospero, or Betrayal at Calth, if it is true that there is going to be the Iron-Warriors vs Salamanders.

If they could sneak that in for December? Was either previous game worth playing? My brother and I would have been just right as Wolves and Sons, respectively...

Betrayal at Calth is really good. The game play is pretty sleek and if you can, pick up a copy of the board and rules. Written by James Hewitt

Seconding this; its a very, very good boardgame version of 40K and I seriously wish they'd reused the rules for Prospero, just added psychic powers as special weapons similar to how meltaguns and such were handled. Or maybe as part of the card deck.

Damn, I'm gonna have to look into these two games now! Cheers guys!

SamusDrake wrote:
Damn, I'm gonna have to look into these two games now! Cheers guys!

Just checked and the rules, cards and boards go for cheap on ebay. Best thing is that the 2 legions can be painted any colour, not necessarily Ultramarines V Word Bearers. For Minis, all you need as a Terminator Praetor, Chaplain, 30 Marines, 5 Cataphractii and 1 Contemptor. Sides are:

Traitor:
1 Chaplain
2 squads of 10 Veteran marines with Sergeant, Special Weapon Marine (Flamer, Plasma or Meltagun), Heavy Weapon Marine (Heavy Bolter or Missile Launcher) and 7 Bolter Marines
1 Contemptor (Power Fist with Assault Cannon or MultiMelta)

Loyalist:
1 Praetor Terminator
1 squad of 10 Veteran marines with Sergeant, Special Weapon Marine (Flamer, Plasma or Meltagun), Heavy Weapon Marine (Heavy Bolter or Missile Launcher) and 7 Bolter Marines
5 Cataphractii Terminators

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
...and that there should be something more shown in the next few weeks, probably at the November reveal show that should be next week but could also be a HH Thursday.

Did I miss something, or is there not currently a November reveal show on the cards? Are there any big cons by the end of the month one could be tied to?

The end of the last reveal show in early October mentioned that there would be a preview at the World Championships/Grand Narrative in November. It's taking place next weekend (22-24 November)

Ah - I don't recall seeing that in the articles (though my memory could be becoming a memory), but if it was only on the video that'd explain me missing it. Cheers!

Personally, I am hoping against a new edition, but I've heard from enough people who should be in the know that a new edition is a distinct possibility. I am hoping it won't be until at least 2026, but I am expecting next year.

Cheers, Zedmeister.

If we do, hopefully it is a 2.5 ed that just cleans up some issues like lascannons, dreadnoughts, blasts, and vehicle/titan balance

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If we do, hopefully it is a 2.5 ed that just cleans up some issues like lascannons, dreadnoughts, blasts, and vehicle/titan balance

In brief summary form that reads like a tail end comment from any 40k edition pre-8th.

Dudeface wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If we do, hopefully it is a 2.5 ed that just cleans up some issues like lascannons, dreadnoughts, blasts, and vehicle/titan balance

In brief summary form that reads like a tail end comment from any 40k edition pre-8th.

Lascannons and dreads require a points hike, artillery requires actual bite, which is ironic as that could've been achieved with breaching and the other thing fairly reasonably (e.g. Scorpious beeing effective at 120 pts whilest every other arty piece isn't thanks to 4+ ap2...). Tanks require the squadron rules of dreads and either an increase in HP for mainline tanks alongside a slight points cut though the vindicator falls f.e. into the artillery issue.

Then some legions need to get looked at, cue sallys f.e. on the lower end sans their one trick pony list and on the other hand IF with their one up on everything.

Also we really need a FAQ for blackshield oaths but... that is beside the point. And if you fix blast /artillery weaponry you fix SA and Militia at the same time.
Mechanicum really needs a rewrite though with their convoluted charachter army list interaction rules.... Especially dark mechanicum.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If we do, hopefully it is a 2.5 ed that just cleans up some issues like lascannons, dreadnoughts, blasts, and vehicle/titan balance

Which could probably done in a 1 page pdf without making you re-buy an expensive, 350 page book. But it won't.

A new edition means, at best, every HH player buys one; but i dont think GW is happy with just that.

I feel ok about a new edition with a big box. If you like current edition just keep playing it and enjoy the new amount of "cheap" miniatures.


Now we have 3 years cycles so better to accept that and enjoy the edition you like the most.

The 3-year cycle only applies to 40k and AoS, a topic that has been discussed to death, resurrected with necromancy, and then discussed to death again.

There's not a shred of evidence to support a new edition.

 Gert wrote:

There's not a shred of evidence to support a new edition.

Well yes, evidence is the difference between a rumour and a leak.

 Gert wrote:
The 3-year cycle only applies to 40k and AoS

So far HH has had precisely one edition as a standalone plastic game, and that was under 3 years ago. It's too early to draw this conclusion.

Using that logic you could also argue that it's impossible to expect plastic Eldar warp spiders, as they've only been previously released as resin.

 Gert wrote:
The 3-year cycle only applies to 40k and AoS, a topic that has been discussed to death, resurrected with necromancy, and then discussed to death again.

There's not a shred of evidence to support a new edition.

And Kill Team since 2nd edition (1st 2016, 2nd 2018, 3rd 2021, 4th 2024)
And Warcry (1st 2019, 2nd 2022, 3rd likely to be 2025 according to rumours)
Underworlds was even faster with yearly new seasons
Necromunda got a new core Rulebook about every two years as far as I can see
Warhammer Quest was also about every three years (Silver Tower 2016, Blackstone Fortress 2018, Cursed City 2021) and while there wasn't anything this year that makes sense after the Cursed City debacle

Blood Bowl was 2016 and 2020 so not quite 3 years and nothing about a new season yet
Old World is too young to know yet
Titanicus from 2018 didn't get a new edition but you can kinda say that Legions Imperialis 2023 is their expansion and as such also include Aeronautica 2019 in the Epic cycle
From what I can see on the wiki MESBG got pushes in 2005, 2012, 2018 and now in 2024 so about 6 year "editions"

So while not everything gets 3 year editions, nearly everything gets 2-4 year editions/seasons/expansions and the rumours support HH falling into the 3 year section.
Of course you can believe what you want but to say only 40k and AoS do 3-year cycles is factually wrong

I really want Gert to be right - the last thing I want is for HH to get sucked into GW's ridiculous 3 year edition churn. It's one of the reasons I dropped out of WH40k (after playing it since its inception). However, while (as Gert says) there is no 'evidence' that this is happening, the post above illustrates how likely it is. Especially if HH is doing well and GW thinks they can push more sales with a new edition. And it's not just Valrak who is passing on rumours of a new edition. I guess a refresh of 2nd Edition would be okay, but I would really rather that (flawed as it may be) the current edition is allowed to mature into the next one, aided by a few FAQs, rather than see another overhaul next year.

Keep in mind that while it's often the case a new edition doesn't necessarily invalidate everything.
It could just be a 2.5 edition that cleans up the rules and comes with a new boxset but doesn't mean all the Libers or even most of the core rules will change.
You might think why not just make it a FAQ then but if GW can sell you an FAQ instead, why wouldn't they.

Of course it can just as likely be a complete reset that changes everything but I don't think HH really fits that strategy

I'm coming from a place of ignorance here, but I would like to know about the difference between Age o' Darkness 1st Edition and 2nd Edition. Was there a huge rules change or was it primarily a clean up?

 xttz wrote:

 Gert wrote:

There's not a shred of evidence to support a new edition.

Well yes, evidence is the difference between a rumour and a leak.

 Gert wrote:
The 3-year cycle only applies to 40k and AoS

So far HH has had precisely one edition as a standalone plastic game, and that was under 3 years ago. It's too early to draw this conclusion.

Using that logic you could also argue that it's impossible to expect plastic Eldar warp spiders, as they've only been previously released as resin.

Warp spiders existed as metal before they were resin....

 xttz wrote:
Using that logic you could also argue that it's impossible to expect plastic Eldar warp spiders, as they've only been previously released as resin.

*cough*Don'tforgetthemetal*cough*

I'd make the argument not to expect them while there are other Aspect Warriors to do first, and probably two more Dark Reaper re-releases to do as well, given we're currently on Reapers v4, but Spiders v1. Track records do speak for themselves...

 Matrindur wrote:
Of course it can just as likely be a complete reset that changes everything but I don't think HH really fits that strategy

True, but there were also rumours that the alleged 3rd Edition would introduce major changes, including removing the current options for customising units. While I try not to engage in GW bashing, I can see them doing something like that to make HH more 'accessible', even if that's not what the majority of existing players want.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm coming from a place of ignorance here, but I would like to know about the difference between Age o' Darkness 1st Edition and 2nd Edition. Was there a huge rules change or was it primarily a clean up?

I didn't play the earlier edition, but it was clearly a fairly significant overhaul (although not as drastic as the changes from 7th Edition to 8th Edition WH40k). Older players complain about things like reactions, nerfed artillery, and changes to specific units and chapter rules.

GW have outright told us kill team exists on a 3 year cycle from now on. Hell, even MESBG has just had a 40k style range trimming and a new edition coming out 2 years after the previous version.

At this point it's at best naive to assume they won't do more regular updates to their other properties.

Just as a side note, the current ed of Middle-Earth came out in 2018. So it's been a six year gap with this new ed.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just as a side note, the current ed of Middle-Earth came out in 2018. So it's been a six year gap with this new ed.

But a new printing of the book from last year is being invalidated already

If things are on a 3 year cycle, wouldn't there be something new for AT by now?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
If things are on a 3 year cycle, wouldn't there be something new for AT by now?

With Dark Mech coming out, don't be too surprised if that isn't far off.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
If things are on a 3 year cycle, wouldn't there be something new for AT by now?

The main headline games 40K, AOS, and Kill Team are on a 3 year cycle. This discussion is about if HHv2 will fall under that group too.

The specialist games are far more creatively-led and inconsistent. They don't get enough new models to justify a big box release every 3 years, and instead divert off into expansions & variants like Ash Wastes or Aeronautica.

If we get any updated version of AT then I expect it'll either be:
a) A refreshed starter box that just uses another combination of existing models
b) Done in lieu of regular LI releases, and fall at the end of LI's 2-4 year cycle.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just as a side note, the current ed of Middle-Earth came out in 2018. So it's been a six year gap with this new ed.

They did a .5 with the box:

"An updated rulebook, containing the latest FAQs and errata."


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 xttz wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
If things are on a 3 year cycle, wouldn't there be something new for AT by now?

The main headline games 40K, AOS, and Kill Team are on a 3 year cycle. This discussion is about if HHv2 will fall under that group too.

Kill team is not a headline game, expand the warhamer store menu and the 4 headliners are, in order:

- 40k
- AoS
- HH
- TOW

KT is a 'headline' game in the sense that it gets:
A three-year cycle of regular releases... like 40k and AOS
Bespoke animated trailers & marketing material... like 40k and AOS
Official competitive support... like 40k and AOS
More balance updates, digital rules, & FAQ support that most GW specialist games put together... like 40k and AOS

As always, you can rely on Dakka for someone to breathlessly charge in and nitpick with WELL ACKSHULLY YOU HAVE TO CLICK OVER HERE ON THE WEBSITE as if that's remotely relevant to the point being discussed.

Depending on how you define "headline", "main" "core", etc there are either 2 or 4 games, kill team is not one of them (and even labeling HH/TOW is dubious and based only on a constantly changing webaite layout).

Currently, at least in my region it isn't even on the front
the headline games are 40k, AoS, HH & TOW, under "more" there is Middle Earth and other game and under that is KT

KT being part of the 40k department and therefore is handled like the other game of that department

Someone declare a "no true scotsman" contest in here?

it's only a mainline game if it comes from the Mainline region of Nottingham. otherwise, it's just a sparkling specialist game

Matrindur wrote:
Necromunda got a new core Rulebook about every two years as far as I can see

Well, akshually, Necromunda got a new printing/rearrangement of pretty much the same rules every time they came out with a new box set. Most of those were never released separately.
The only significant changes were in the Core Rulebook released in '23. IMNSHO that barely counts as a .5 edition release.
Hive Secundus uses the Core-23 rules, with a few special rules, and a new campaign type.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Someone declare a "no true scotsman" contest in here?

I’m a genuine Scotsman, and I haven’t the foggiest.

 xttz wrote:
KT is a 'headline' game in the sense that it gets:
A three-year cycle of regular releases... like 40k and AOS
Bespoke animated trailers & marketing material... like 40k and AOS
Official competitive support... like 40k and AOS
More balance updates, digital rules, & FAQ support that most GW specialist games put together... like 40k and AOS

As always, you can rely on Dakka for someone to breathlessly charge in and nitpick with WELL ACKSHULLY YOU HAVE TO CLICK OVER HERE ON THE WEBSITE as if that's remotely relevant to the point being discussed.

Ok, so what you're saying is you made up a criteria list in your head and decided it was a universal truth? Because funnily Warcry and Underpants both are now mainline games I guess.

But we can ignore that HH had a fancy pants trailer, a load of marketing time and massive support in this edition in terms of supplements and plastic releases.

It pretty much comes down to what you see on the shelves at your local Warhammer store; pretty much 40K on oneside and AoS on the other, in my neck of the woods. Everything else is a trip to a specialist wargame shop, or online indie.

But getting back to Horus Heresy banter, I'm going to go with just a new economical starter. I'd guess that the Iron Warriors and Salamander rumour would refer to another HH boardgame, if true.

If any Horus Heresy game is due for a new edition it would undoubtably be Adeptus Titanicus.

On a less controversial topic - Heresy Thursday this week, yes or no?

If yes, model reveal, book reveal, or paint scheme/background article?

If model or book reveal, for AOD, AT or LI?

 Dysartes wrote:
On a less controversial topic - Heresy Thursday this week, yes or no?

If yes, model reveal, book reveal, or paint scheme/background article?

If model or book reveal, for AOD, AT or LI?

Wasn't mentioned on the Sunday article so probably not.

 Dysartes wrote:
On a less controversial topic - Heresy Thursday this week, yes or no?

If yes, model reveal, book reveal, or paint scheme/background article?

If model or book reveal, for AOD, AT or LI?

Yes, there will be a Heresy Thursday tomorrow and it will be absolutely imperial. They'll be announcing the long awaited plastic Thunderhawk and a new campaign book to go with it. Legions Imperialis players will be told they should stop being greedy and be grateful for all the wonderful releases they've had this year. Adeptus Titanicus players will have wait their turn.

 Dysartes wrote:
On a less controversial topic - Heresy Thursday this week, yes or no?

HOW DARE YOU

SamusDrake wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
On a less controversial topic - Heresy Thursday this week, yes or no?

If yes, model reveal, book reveal, or paint scheme/background article?

If model or book reveal, for AOD, AT or LI?

Yes, there will be a Heresy Thursday tomorrow and it will be absolutely imperial. They'll be announcing the long awaited plastic Thunderhawk and a new campaign book to go with it. Legions Imperialis players will be told they should stop being greedy and be grateful for all the wonderful releases they've had this year. Adeptus Titanicus players will have wait their turn.

I have the AT book on order...


.... and based upon my "purchase stuff for game, whoops we got a new edition for ya" record, the new rules should be out in 3 weeks.

Give or take shipping times.

How about we pretend that heresy thursday never came back?
I recon that might be beneficial.

I think GW is the corporate embodiment of Arthur Dent.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


I have the AT book on order...


.... and based upon my "purchase stuff for game, whoops we got a new edition for ya" record, the new rules should be out in 3 weeks.

Give or take shipping times.

That would be unfortunate! But seriously how much you paid for it?

Just curious, weren't you thinking of getting the AT starter set?

Until I move to central nowhere at the end of February, I'm a little cash strapped, so I thought 29 bucks for the core book was doable.

Oooooooooooh, I see. I must say that it's a lovely book to flick through, game aside.

That's also why my book collection is outgrowing my model collection until 2025.

Tell me about it! I keep getting ideas for Knight conversions and just can't bare not putting my own spin on them...



...the stock Armiger heads were just too boring!

Who had Art on their Heresy Thurday bingo card?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vxticy5n/coming-soon-from-black-library-gotrek-returns-alongside-the-grey-knights-and-the-primarchs/

Well for me this is a non-release but I'm sure I'll be yelled at by at least 3 of the 7 people who will buy it.

Like, even for an art release it's bad. It's paper, in sleeves. What are you doing with it? If you're gonna frame them, why are you paying for a golden box? If you're keeping them in the box... why are you keeping prints in a box?

Hey we finally get some examples for the melee weapons as our HH Thursday:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/



Also not trying to throw shade but just surprised to see a paint job of this level in a showcase for a new product on WarCom

The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

Better than nowt, but would’ve preferred such examples back when it was first announced.

Description for the BA does offer context for the pose (about to blast off, swinging the spear into position).

Paintjob? I kinda like to see this. Not everyone is an ace painter, so to see a relatively basic Paintjob can be encouraging to the cack handed among us.

 Matrindur wrote:
Also not trying to throw shade but just surprised to see a paint job of this level in a showcase for a new product on WarCom

I wouldn't rule out that GW is happy to even have anything to sell as Heresy Thursday.

Its a shame they don't throw in a quick'n'dirty team skirmish mode for 30K. Certainly not "30K: Kill Team" but just an excuse for Loyalist and Traitor marines to have at each other with these fabulous melee weapons.

Shout out to the fan effort for Kill Team: Age of Darkness!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

I'm guessing it's meant to go round the other way?.. definitely seems odd.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

I'm guessing it's meant to go round the other way?.. definitely seems odd.

The the hands would be wrong.

It looks like it is supposed to be held stabbing downwards, maybe into a foe on the ground. Poor choice by the kit designers though, as very niche.

Yeah, but being a jump-pack marine he's probably going for a down-ward thrust on enemies below him.

Ah, Ninja'd.

It’s the usual mixed bag. The Space Woof is nice. It is kind of cool to see the level of modelling and painting that is more common on the actual tabletop.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

like this?

OMG! LOL!!!

When you're fighting a battle on a gently-moving stream, in the middle of the Horus Heresy, Brothers Popeye and Russo are your men!

 Matrindur wrote:
Hey we finally get some examples for the melee weapons as our HH Thursday:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/



Also not trying to throw shade but just surprised to see a paint job of this level in a showcase for a new product on WarCom

Spoiler:

I feel like they are trying to show "See, even gakky painters exists"

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Hey we finally get some examples for the melee weapons as our HH Thursday:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/

Also not trying to throw shade but just surprised to see a paint job of this level in a showcase for a new product on WarCom

Spoiler:

I feel like they are trying to show "See, even gakky painters exists"

I'll take an army of those over a mass of grey. Painted is painted.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Hey we finally get some examples for the melee weapons as our HH Thursday:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m33n9god/heresy-thursday-melee-weapons-and-how-to-model-them/



Also not trying to throw shade but just surprised to see a paint job of this level in a showcase for a new product on WarCom

Spoiler:

I feel like they are trying to show "See, even gakky painters exists"

I would throw some shade, and a drybrush, then it would look as bad as mine

 kodos wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

like this?

Spoiler:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The BA power lance pose is atrocious, someone photoshop him rowing a boat.

like this?

Spoiler:

They release a melee weapons sprue, and no one does a World Eater?

The canoe paddle reference was the first thing i thought about when seeing the article.
Hats of for Kodos for the exelent boat edit.

All in all, the weapons looks really large. Not bad. Will be great for 40k flavour as well.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
They release a melee weapons sprue, and no one does a World Eater?

My reaction, then I realised if they knew what they were doing, it would be weird showing off a dude with a chainsword.

The spear is wonky, but luckily being a plastic kit it should be relatively easy to swap the two ends around. A little plastic cement and it should be reasonably durable.

I was a little surprised by how big the blade of the power axe looked in comparison to a marine, but I guess that's why they're unwieldy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well for me this is a non-release but I'm sure I'll be yelled at by at least 3 of the 7 people who will buy it.

Like, even for an art release it's bad. It's paper, in sleeves. What are you doing with it? If you're gonna frame them, why are you paying for a golden box? If you're keeping them in the box... why are you keeping prints in a box?

What I'd give for another art book the likes of HH Collected Visions, that was a genuinely good book that I still flip through for inspiration sometimes.

But now you can have them in a helpful placard version with book like carrying case without that messy and inconvenient book spine getting in the way.

The spear should also be fixable by just using different arms. Just take a pair that has the right one higher, maybe file of a bit so they line up with the hands if they don't do anyway and you have a spear that is held normally

 ScarletRose wrote:
I was a little surprised by how big the blade of the power axe looked in comparison to a marine, but I guess that's why they're unwieldy.

It looks almost exactly like Fafnir Rann's power axes, which look fine on him because he's (1) a hero, and (2) slightly bigger than the standard Marines. I had already converted them to use with my Assault Marines, and I found that cutting down the length of the blade made them look better on a normal dude.

The placement of the hands on the spear does seem odd. I would have preferred a one-handed thunder hammer too.

SamusDrake wrote:
But getting back to Horus Heresy banter, I'm going to go with just a new economical starter. I'd guess that the Iron Warriors and Salamander rumour would refer to another HH boardgame, if true.

Maybe a new box to replace Age of Darkness, with a paperback printing of the core rules with the FAQs/errata?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
But getting back to Horus Heresy banter, I'm going to go with just a new economical starter. I'd guess that the Iron Warriors and Salamander rumour would refer to another HH boardgame, if true.

Maybe a new box to replace Age of Darkness, with a paperback printing of the core rules with the FAQs/errata?

Thats what the current rumours are, a new box likely replacing Age of Darkness with Salamanders vs Iron Warriors. MK2 Marines, Praetors, Saturnine Terminators and Dreadnought (Whatever that type of Dreadnought is) and a gun emplacement.
The only thing we don't really know is what will happen to the rules. Is it just a new box, a reprinted core book with FAQs/errata, some rules changed for better balancing resulting in a 2.5 edition or a completely new 3.0 edition

Unless it is brand new, Dreadnought being the Deredeo with alternate weapons would make sense. And gun emplacement sounds like it could be a Rapier.

I could go a Magna Lascannon Deredeo for sure.

Not massively convinced I need the rest, but my inner magpie is stronk.

If they’re going older marks, we could end up with a Furibundus or even a Lucifer pattern dreadnought. Mentioned a few times in the lore to be an older dreadnought pattern

But is there any way to make a Furibundus not look stupid?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Unless it is brand new, Dreadnought being the Deredeo with alternate weapons would make sense. And gun emplacement sounds like it could be a Rapier.

Unless I misunderstood the Dreadnought is also supposed to be a Saturnine pattern Dreadnought so likely completely new.

Valrak said Saturnine Dreadnought here

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But is there any way to make a Furibundus not look stupid?

The re-imagined Chuck and Eddy, why not Fury too?

I reckon the Furibundus could be a line dreadnought. Non compulsory troops. Smaller and more compact armed with bolters, Volkites or rotor cannons and powerfists. Kind of like Thallax.

Well if we are going to see a new dreadnought, despite Furibundus actual potential, I am going to assume its either Deredeo with other options (most likely) or Ferratum -pattern.

Although I am bit still skeptical that we are going to see Salamander vs Iron Warrior set at it is.

Yea I'll believe the new box when I see it, but a second Dorito is inevitable.

Nearly as inevitable as the third, fourth, or fifth Pringle.

Photoshop gurus...your services are desired again. A tube of Doritos with Dreadnought arms, with the mark of Horus...ah, man, that would be so funny.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I'll believe the new box when I see it, but a second Dorito is inevitable.

Never liked the Deredeo until I realized it was based on the Space Crusade dreadnought. Well, I'm still not a fan, but ... I'm okay with it. And I don't play marines anyway.

Assuming that saturnine terminators and saturnine dreads have similar features. Assuming they go with the fanon of saturnine being the one rogue trader mark...



... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

 cole1114 wrote:
Assuming that saturnine terminators and saturnine dreads have similar features. Assuming they go with the fanon of saturnine being the one rogue trader mark...



... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

Isn't there the art of those terminators with heavy guns on their backs? They could focus on ranged fire, like a a TDA armored version of a heavy support squad. Not sure on the Dreadnought, as we have the Deredeo to fill that role already. Maybe go the opposite and have multiple lighter weapons to deal with hordes, like lightning claws instead of heavy fists, then the two could complement each other.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
Never liked the Deredeo until I realized it was based on the Space Crusade dreadnought. Well, I'm still not a fan, but ... I'm okay with it. And I don't play marines anyway.

I did not realise that was its inspiration. Now it's been pointed out, I can see it.

 cole1114 wrote:

... then it's hard to see exactly what the point of either of them would be. We already have cataphractii for heavy/tough, and leviathans for the same.

As far as Saturnine terminators are concerned, if this rumour has any substance, the thinking would be that (1) termies are very popular in HH so the more the merrier, (2) it's another design that goes back to RT, and therefore eligible for inclusion in HH, and (3) it looks cool(?). In fact, it's a fairly ridiculous design, vaguely inspired by 'Alien', that bears little resemblance to the aesthetic of any other models. Perhaps it would be intended to have more firepower than the other termies - some versions of it include a weapon above the head. No idea what the point of a dreadnought version would be.