How do the stats look for these in Space Hulk?

Asking for a friend....

Although a "Saturnine Dreadnought", which might end up being something akin to the Telemon, given he said it's big and looks Saturnine-ish, would be interesting, I kinda wish they'd make some nice Castraferrums in plastic first.

Especially since, as much as I've love to think they'll be around forever, the Venerable Dread will most likely disappear shortly after the Space Wolves refresh, if I had to guess.

Maybe the Saturnines will be the HH versions of the Centurion Fat Suit?

So erm…will there be a Heresy Thursday?

Who can tell?

Highly unlikely. We've got some sort of reveal tomorrow (Maybe the rumoured MkII box? Please?)

It would be nice to have more support formations for Legions Imperialis!

But seriously, nah, thats it. Warcom is on full coverage of the event in Atlanta.

World Championships Preview – The Arvus Lighter lands with armour support

Arvus is an odd choice, tanks are cool, not optimal units for what the armies need tho?

I'm sure it's a production thing but I was hoping the second Deredeo loadout would be a whole dread w/ weapons, like the ranged and melee leviathans.

Guess I'm going to have to buy a deredeo and wait for the upgrade sprue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Arvus is an odd choice, tanks are cool, not optimal units for what the armies need tho?

Takes away more remaining resin units and makes Solar Aux affordable.

Also, blasphemer. The Arvus is the greatest unit to have ever existed. Repent or face oblivion.

Weird to see the post-heresy Aeronautica Imperialis icon on both crew members.

The Arvus is the greatest Imperial kit of all time. Looking forward to it.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I'm sure it's a production thing but I was hoping the second Deredeo loadout would be a whole dread w/ weapons, like the ranged and melee leviathans.

Guess I'm going to have to buy a deredeo and wait for the upgrade sprue.

Both the preview show and the article heavily imply that the "Boreas configuration" will be its own full kit. They may have even said it outright in the discussion portion of the show but I don't remember.

Malcador Infernus is coming, I'm a happy treadhead. Are we just missing the Defender now?

In for a brace of Deredeo, me.

Love a Dreadnought.

But it’s all been rather knocked into a cocked hat by that Eldar preview.

Yea pretty sure the other Deredeo is also a full kit and the weapon sprues will be direct only, same as the other dreads.

(big bonus for Deredeo, each sprue comes with matched guns for both arms!)

welp. I didn't expect the arvus before the Aurox.... but honestly... kinda neat.

Also we got the HH version of the Hetzer.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Malcador Infernus is coming, I'm a happy treadhead. Are we just missing the Defender now?

Defender doesn't have Heresy rules, sadly.

Arvus, always loved that little taxi.

Cool tank.

My least favorite dread design, though. Too anime/robotech for me.

I know, I know, it probably doesn't look anything like any mech from robotech, but my brain plugs it in there.

::pokes nose out of cave::

No Imperial Knights, Custodes, or taller Grey Knights?

What are Astra Militarum...? What are Aeldari? Sounds like some Eldar psychic trickery...

::returns to the safety of the dark cave::

Eldrad Ulthwe: "RETURN TO THE SHADOWS O'LOVER OF BIG STOMPY ROBOTS AND CUSTARD CREAMS!!!"

Seriously, at least that Dreadnought got some new bling.

Can the Valdor only get one sponson? Was that a thing before?

 Shadox wrote:
Can the Valdor only get one sponson? Was that a thing before?

Yup that was always the case since the other side is taken up by the main gun

Those massive lascannon are compensating for something. Now I think I have to get another Deredeo.

The Arvus looks really cool. I wish I had an army that can use it.

The biggest release for me is the new Death Korps models, which will give a huge boost to my Militia.

 Snord wrote:
The biggest release for me is the new Death Korps models, which will give a huge boost to my Militia.

that's my girlfriend's plan for these guys. she was talking earlier about how she was probably the only person intending to use these for militia; guess it's not just her!

they seem great for that purpose, anyway. especially being able to use the mounted commander rules. love it when commanders ride horses (i might do my own totally not genestealer cult milita force using some old rogue trader mounted models for that)

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
that's my girlfriend's plan for these guys. she was talking earlier about how she was probably the only person intending to use these for militia; guess it's not just her!

they seem great for that purpose, anyway. especially being able to use the mounted commander rules. love it when commanders ride horses (i might do my own totally not genestealer cult milita force using some old rogue trader mounted models for that)

Yes, I think the DK make great militia. I combined them with Cadian bits so they’d look less uniform. I will be getting the new Death Riders and artillery. Here is one of my converted Militia units.

Well i did not see the plastic arvus lighter coming.
Not a difficult purchase decision in itself, but there is an argument for buying GW shares instead.
I mean, im going to need at least 4 of them

You know, with so much Valrak stuff coming true, I'm starting to worry a new edition is actually coming... and that might invalidate free pdfs like Militia.


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On the bright side, Militia actually has a unit profile for the big honkin Krieg gun emplacement.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You know, with so much Valrak stuff coming true, I'm starting to worry a new edition is actually coming... and that might invalidate free pdfs like Militia.

The chances are high that HH will be subjected to the same edition churn as other games.

That could very well mean "Militia is Legends, but legal until the next edition / one more year / something" type deal.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That could very well mean "Militia is Legends, but legal until the next edition / one more year / something" type deal.

or they ge their heads out of their backsides and fix up a propper list.

With this second set of weapons, am I right in thinking there's still an option for the Deredeo that's never been produced? An Atomic Pavisse, or something like that?

didn't valrak's latest statement on the heresy rumors pull back on the new edition talk somewhat? seemed like there was less certainty now than before

 Dysartes wrote:
With this second set of weapons, am I right in thinking there's still an option for the Deredeo that's never been produced? An Atomic Pavisse, or something like that?

I don't think the resin part even ever actually shipped. Lots of people use the console from a drop pod.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Arvus is an odd choice, tanks are cool, not optimal units for what the armies need tho?

Solar is in a weird spot where it probably needs plastic tanks more than Marines do. The Aurox is in more demand than the Arvus, but it's still another cheap, non-Dracosan option that people would appreciate. The Valdor is a pretty decent bit of kit and a good way of eating up a chunk of points that Solar players tend to have in excess when building an army. The Infernus is arguably the worst tank in the game right now but it was probably always coming alongside the Valdor due being so similar visually.

As cool as they look, Ogryns are garbage. The only other infantry that's missing are the rotor/heavy flamer dudes.

The rest of the 'good stuff' (Rifles, Companions, Leman Russ, Sentinels) is mostly already in plastic so long as you don't mind kitbashing the weapons on Companions.

 Snord wrote:

The Arvus looks really cool. I wish I had an army that can use it.

I don't play HH, but I was contemplating getting Arvus regardless. I love the design and I've always wanted it, but not enough to pay resin prices. I think it might be possible to give it couple of guns and use it as a Valkyrie in 40K.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
With this second set of weapons, am I right in thinking there's still an option for the Deredeo that's never been produced? An Atomic Pavisse, or something like that?

I don't think the resin part even ever actually shipped. Lots of people use the console from a drop pod.

They did, but the Pavisse was removed as an option in 2.0. This kit gives the kit every option currently available to the unit.

Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

I spent around 3, 4 months painting my existing Heresy Maureens. And that was a lot, done to a basic standard.

I dare say there’ll be other hobbyists quietly appreciating a hopefully temporary lull of Shiny -New syndrome

I think I'll get an Arvus simply because I like the model, and at the very least would act as a piece of scenery.

 Tamereth wrote:
Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

You got a Dorito Dreadnought.

I'm sure there will be another Space Marine Lieutenant right around the corner.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Arvus, always loved that little taxi.

Cool tank.

My least favorite dread design, though. Too anime/robotech for me.

I know, I know, it probably doesn't look anything like any mech from robotech, but my brain plugs it in there.

Destroids, my man, Destroids.

https://www.macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/destroid-defender.htm

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

You got a Dorito Dreadnought.

I'm sure there will be another Space Marine Lieutenant right around the corner.

the last new lieutenant was 18 months ago, and the last before that nearly two years ago. that certainly hasn't been the issue here

My apologies. A lame attempt at humor.

Honestly, what do the Marines from 30k need?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
My apologies. A lame attempt at humor.

Honestly, what do the Marines from 30k need?

Off the top of my head:
HQ: Praetor/Consuls on Bike/Jetbike/Jumppack
Fast Attack- Bikes, Landspeeders, Javelins, Sabre
Troops/upgrades- Breacher squads, Destroyer Squads, Seeker Squads, Combi-Weapon sets
Other- Sicaran Arcus/Punisher variant, Rapier platforms, Xiphon
Some Legions don't even have their praetors in resin yet.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
My apologies. A lame attempt at humor.

Honestly, what do the Marines from 30k need?

Off the top of my head:
HQ: Praetor/Consuls on Bike/Jetbike/Jumppack
Fast Attack- Bikes, Landspeeders, Javelins, Sabre
Troops/upgrades- Breacher squads, Destroyer Squads, Seeker Squads, Combi-Weapon sets
Other- Sicaran Arcus/Punisher variant, Rapier platforms, Xiphon
Some Legions don't even have their praetors in resin yet.

Wow, didn't realize there was that much.

 Crimson wrote:

 Snord wrote:

The Arvus looks really cool. I wish I had an army that can use it.

I don't play HH, but I was contemplating getting Arvus regardless. I love the design and I've always wanted it, but not enough to pay resin prices. I think it might be possible to give it couple of guns and use it as a Valkyrie in 40K.

I'd play it an Arvus. Afterall it's got 40k rules.

 Tamereth wrote:
Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

Has been surprisingly quiet for marines - it feels like 2024 was a big 'expand the focus of the game beyond marines' phase for the setting and I'm hoping/expecting that 2025 brings more for the actual legions. It's great to see non-marine factions get added in plastic but there are a lot of core options yet to shift to plastic

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Wow, didn't realize there was that much.

At the very least, the Marines need the following to properly round out the units available in plastic:

Breachers (this remains a major gap)
Javelin (a popular and useful fast unit)
Rapier (an iconic unit - and it can be used by the SA so really a no-brainer)
Remaining Sicaran variants (i.e. the effective ones)
And arguably a customisable Centurion kit - because they are so essential to Marine armies.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

Has been surprisingly quiet for marines - it feels like 2024 was a big 'expand the focus of the game beyond marines' phase for the setting and I'm hoping/expecting that 2025 brings more for the actual legions. It's great to see non-marine factions get added in plastic but there are a lot of core options yet to shift to plastic

If HH adapts the 3 year edition churn I guess that makes sense. Have a big push for SM at the start and the first 1-2 years of an edition as they will always be the launch box set with a slower burn afterwards with more for other factions

 Snord wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Wow, didn't realize there was that much.

At the very least, the Marines need the following to properly round out the units available in plastic:

Breachers (this remains a major gap)
Javelin (a popular and useful fast unit)
Rapier (an iconic unit - and it can be used by the SA so really a no-brainer)
Remaining Sicaran variants (i.e. the effective ones)
And arguably a customisable Centurion kit - because they are so essential to Marine armies.

I would add snipers to this, otherwise a good shortlist

Tamereth wrote:Lack of marine releases this year is really odd. 90% of people seem to play a legion.

Possibly an attempt to make the game more diverse. But, if that's what they want, they need to look at the rules as well.

lord_blackfang wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Wow, didn't realize there was that much.

At the very least, the Marines need the following to properly round out the units available in plastic:

Breachers (this remains a major gap)
Javelin (a popular and useful fast unit)
Rapier (an iconic unit - and it can be used by the SA so really a no-brainer)
Remaining Sicaran variants (i.e. the effective ones)
And arguably a customisable Centurion kit - because they are so essential to Marine armies.

I would add snipers to this, otherwise a good shortlist

And Apothecaries. Seriously. It's just a single arm modification. Nartheciums. Add one to anything, and you've got an Apothecary. But, apparently, gw is fine with letting 3rd parties do that for them.

 Snord wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

Wow, didn't realize there was that much.

At the very least, the Marines need the following to properly round out the units available in plastic:

Breachers (this remains a major gap)
Javelin (a popular and useful fast unit)
Rapier (an iconic unit - and it can be used by the SA so really a no-brainer)
Remaining Sicaran variants (i.e. the effective ones)
And arguably a customisable Centurion kit - because they are so essential to Marine armies.

Not as necessary but Super Heavies would also be very much appreciated.
Fellblade and Glaive can share most of the sprues so also not as big of a sprue investment as it sounds at first

The only one I'm really missing is the Land Speeder Proteus in plastic. Wish it releases some time next year. Oh, and MKV in the modern scale please (like the resin Apotechary). After that I have all the kits I'll need to complete my army, which I will finish during my pensioner years at the latest..

heresy is, ultimately, the space marine game, first and foremost, so even for as much as space marines have, there will always be more gaps. there's even a few consul options that still don't have models, iirc

but if GW is attempting to flesh out other armies, then i'd appreciate if they remember that Sisters exist. the army as it exists now is an advertisement for 3D printers. even resin upgrade kits would be appreciated, or the jetbikes, or the animals for the pursuers, or needle weapons

Sisters of Silence have several weapons that straight up do not exist in 40k. they might have been on a couple old models, but cannot be found on anything contemporary or even recent. from an external perspective, it's fascinating, but as a player who wants to build this army, i'd appreciate if they did literally anything

I agree, the Sisters feel super important to the Emperor's forces in the novels...

But in typical 30k games they are really lackluster. To the other Custodes players I've talked to, they feel like an afterthought... an afterthought with suuuuuper expensive ($$-wise) transports.

They would love to have a couple mixed Jetbike units screaming across the tabletop.

And I agree.

The crappy Nova roadmap said more factions are coming and because Custodes didn't get any new units in their rulebook it probably points to Sisters, who did.

that would be exciting

i assume that any major development for sisters would have to include some update to their plastic situation— that is, a box that comes with five models cannot be the backbone of an army

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

And Apothecaries. Seriously. It's just a single arm modification. Nartheciums. Add one to anything, and you've got an Apothecary. But, apparently, gw is fine with letting 3rd parties do that for them.

I think there is a bit more to them than that. And the resin models are actually very good (expensive though). But yeah, I would like plastic Apothecaries too.

Just a quick question, I'm not a marine player, so I generally gloss over your sections, except for the fluff parts.

Are there rules for all these missing models already? Or are these things that players would like to see in plastic?

Just wondering.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Just a quick question, I'm not a marine player, so I generally gloss over your sections, except for the fluff parts.

Are there rules for all these missing models already? Or are these things that players would like to see in plastic?

Just wondering.

They are all in the army list.

ccs wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Snord wrote:

The Arvus looks really cool. I wish I had an army that can use it.

I don't play HH, but I was contemplating getting Arvus regardless. I love the design and I've always wanted it, but not enough to pay resin prices. I think it might be possible to give it couple of guns and use it as a Valkyrie in 40K.

I'd play it an Arvus. Afterall it's got 40k rules.

True. For now.

Also useful for Necromunda for ferrying in NPCs and that during an Ash Wastes campaign.

If you haven't had an all-infantry battle set in an aircraft or ground vehicle storage facility, you haven't lived.

Why are you still reading this and not arranging that type of game right now?

Because of you I now want to build a Pacifc Rim Shatterdome to house a Lance of Knights.

 SirDonlad wrote:
If you haven't had an all-infantry battle set in an aircraft or ground vehicle storage facility, you haven't lived.

Why are you still reading this and not arranging that type of game right now?

I see your aircraft hanger, and raise you Titan maintenance bay.

 Snord wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

And Apothecaries. Seriously. It's just a single arm modification. Nartheciums. Add one to anything, and you've got an Apothecary. But, apparently, gw is fine with letting 3rd parties do that for them.

I think there is a bit more to them than that. And the resin models are actually very good (expensive though). But yeah, I would like plastic Apothecaries too.

.
Like what? Add a narcicium to a jet bike dude, you have an Apothecary. Add a narcicium to a jump pack dude, you have an Apothecary. Etc, etc. It's the easiest upgrade in the world. But, gw seems to be fine with letting 3rd parties handle it....

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Like what? Add a narcicium to a jet bike dude, you have an Apothecary. Add a narcicium to a jump pack dude, you have an Apothecary. Etc, etc. It's the easiest upgrade in the world. But, gw seems to be fine with letting 3rd parties handle it....

It depends on how detailed you want your model to be. An Apothecary will also have special gear, including the blood vials that you see on every Apothecary model, a modified helmet with various optical enhancements and lights, a modified backpack and a few Apothecary icons in strategic locations. But sure, if you just want a model that satisfies the basic requirements, then a narthecium will do.

 Snord wrote:


It depends on how detailed you want your model to be. An Apothecary will also have special gear, including the blood vials that you see on every Apothecary model, a modified helmet with various optical enhancements and lights, a modified backpack and a few Apothecary icons in strategic locations. But sure, if you just want a model that satisfies the basic requirements, then a narthecium will do.

That depends heavily on what stage and what legion.

Sure, an ultra marine apothecary is probably going to be degrees of decked. But a world eaters apothecary, especially past the Istvaan battles, could very feasibly just be a standard marine with a narth; because they're there mostly to kill, with some gene-seed harvesting as an afterthought.

Or killing through gene harvesting.

 morganfreeman wrote:

Sure, an ultra marine apothecary is probably going to be degrees of decked. But a world eaters apothecary, especially past the Istvaan battles, could very feasibly just be a standard marine with a narth; because they're there mostly to kill, with some gene-seed harvesting as an afterthought.

Okay, but to me that’s a bit of a cop-out even for a World Eater - arguably he needs a bit than that more to perform his function. What we’re discussing is what would make an Apothecary kit, and I’d say it’s generally more than just a narthecium. For instance, here is my take on a Space Wolf Apothecary:

Just make an upgrade sprue with Apothecary and Techmarine parts for the existing kits, enough to make at least 3 of each. Toss on some of the missing character gear/weapon options and it can double for making some of the Consul options as well.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Just make an upgrade sprue with Apothecary and Techmarine parts for the existing kits, enough to make at least 3 of each. Toss on some of the missing character gear/weapon options and it can double for making some of the Consul options as well.

I like this idea!

But yeah, for HH, I'm certainly OK with - and a proponent of - the 'just a Narthecium arm works for me' solution!

Modified backpacks, character arms, shoulder pads too.

Then the fancier weapons like Paragon Blades, Archaeotech Pistols, Phosphex Cannisters. The stuff generally reserve for Veteran Sarge and up.

Maybe chest plates with robes and that. Just the odds and sods which make Apothecaries, Techmarines and that visually standout across the board.

Does make me wonder if at some point we'll get some plastic Auxilia medicae as well.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Just make an upgrade sprue with Apothecary and Techmarine parts for the existing kits, enough to make at least 3 of each. Toss on some of the missing character gear/weapon options and it can double for making some of the Consul options as well.

I think something like that would be great. A single sprue of stuff like this could fill a lot of gaps.

 Snord wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Just make an upgrade sprue with Apothecary and Techmarine parts for the existing kits, enough to make at least 3 of each. Toss on some of the missing character gear/weapon options and it can double for making some of the Consul options as well.

I think something like that would be great. A single sprue of stuff like this could fill a lot of gaps.

That's what I was expecting from the command squad sprue, personally.

Maybe a sprue with a couple techmarine axes and backpack/ helmet/ pads for Mk II, III, IV, and VI armor, similar for apothecaries with a narthecum arm and backpack/ helm/ pads for the same marks. Then a couple helms/ shoulders/ crozaeuses to make a couple chaplains, some techy bits to do praevian or master of signals, and then a mix of fancy pads and helms and decorative bits to bling up normal armor. If they want to go really wild, maybe a tartaros and cataphractii helm and narthecum/crozaeus to make chaplains and master apothecarians in TDA.

Consuls have always been single model kits in the same way you get them in 40k.
I don't want to sound rude but you were way over expecting for the Command Squad sprue if you thought it was going to contain parts for multiple Consul types (at least ones that aren't just Captain with Banner or Praetor but cheaper).

 Gert wrote:
Consuls have always been single model kits in the same way you get them in 40k.
I don't want to sound rude but you were way over expecting for the Command Squad sprue if you thought it was going to contain parts for multiple Consul types (at least ones that aren't just Captain with Banner or Praetor but cheaper).

I think this expectation was seeded by the old 40k Command squads, which included in their various incarnations bits for a Commander, Company Champion, Techmarine, Apothecary and Flag Guy at the very least. I don't think it was a justified expectation given that all these are different unit entries now, but that's probably where it came from.

Today on Heresy Thursday, a Runecaster

Quite nice, but feels a bit overdesigned to me. Would have preferred 10% or 20% less of everything. Also, why is his MkV helmet so angular?

While the armour is not doing it for me, that bare head is amazing though.

stahly wrote:Quite nice, but feels a bit overdesigned to me. Would have preferred 10% or 20% less of everything. Also, why is his MkV helmet so angular?

Can't have a visually distinct legion without Flanderizing the feth out of it!
And agreed in the helmet, looks like they've just glue a Puppets War head on to a GW body.

BrookM wrote:While the armour is not doing it for me, that bare head is amazing though.

Agreed. Great head.

He doesn't seem to fit in the HH esthetic. He looks like the missing link between HH and 40k.

 stahly wrote:
Quite nice, but feels a bit overdesigned to me. Would have preferred 10% or 20% less of everything. Also, why is his MkV helmet so angular?

Evidently they've tried to introduce another helmet design that resembles a wolf's snout. I don't mind it myself. It's much better than the alternative.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
Evidently they've tried to introduce another helmet design that resembles a wolf's snout. I don't mind it myself. It's much better than the alternative.

Yeah, this is what I thought they're going for. I guess it being truncated can look a bit off, but I like it.

Eh. Too blocky looking

The mk IV helmet without nose has been done before and sadly better than this

Why the 2-handed Staff, and an axe?

I do like the bare headed version better.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Why the 2-handed Staff, and an axe?

dual-wielding is cool

Is that supposed to be Mk5 Heresy Armor?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
He doesn't seem to fit in the HH esthetic. He looks like the missing link between HH and 40k.

The Space Wolves have always been that, from the beginning. Ever since the concept of the codex astartes was intrroduced, the wolves have been stated to have stuck with the ways Russ taught them to fight. Hence the odd structure of Grey Hunters and Long Fangs in 40k which are closer to the way tactical and support squads in HH work than to contemporary Tactical and Devastator squads, and having their initiates in power armour while their recon troops are veterans.

Decent enough sculpt, I like the pauldrons. Just happy to see the return of consuls to heresy thursday

Skidlid is reminding me of the Carcharadon’s special character’s bonce.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Is that supposed to be Mk5 Heresy Armor?

It is, yeah. I really like this model.

Well at least it's an actual release, for the actual Horus Heresy game!

His choice of weapons is a bit weird. And he’s holding his axe way too delicately. I don’t think he’s over-ornamented, and he follows the aesthetic of the other SW characters they’ve done. The head is awesome - I wish there were more SW heads as good as that one. Overall, I prefer my own conversion, but I might buy him.

 Snord wrote:
His choice of weapons is a bit weird. And he’s holding his axe way too delicately. I don’t think he’s over-ornamented, and he follows the aesthetic of the other SW characters they’ve done. The head is awesome - I wish there were more SW heads as good as that one. Overall, I prefer my own conversion, but I might buy him.

GW have used that kind of carry several times now, also on Fuegan recently revealed. It's a carry rather than a wield of the axe, with the hand closer to the head. Unlike a sword, where the hand is usually always on the handle and so they always look like they are wielding it, an axe haft can be gripped anywhere along it and the fulcrum is reduced the closer to the head, so if you're just carrying it you would usually hold it more like that.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Why the 2-handed Staff, and an axe?

I do like the bare headed version better.

I don't think a force staff has two handed. So you get an extra attack if you use the high initiative of the staff or the slow AP2 of the axe.

New Warsmith model for Iron Warriors.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pg6rmzvk/reduce-the-mightiest-fortifications-to-piles-of-rubble-with-these-iron-warriors-warsmiths/

 Gert wrote:
New Warsmith model for Iron Warriors.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pg6rmzvk/reduce-the-mightiest-fortifications-to-piles-of-rubble-with-these-iron-warriors-warsmiths/

Finally!!!

I like it a lot. Pass on the bare head, but that's not a problem. Graviton crusher is nice and chonk.

And there’s a WHW Exclusive variant.

Thankfully, we all know a large, bearded hero of the people that had the foresight to create a Loot Sharing Group on FB that can help you avoid the scalper

Rejoice! Iron Warriors get their warsmith and/or praetor! What a miniature...

That's a cool model. Quite unfortunate I prefer the WHW variant to the normal one, but I don't need him in any foreseeable timeframe... so until I do I might even make a trip to that strange island where they sell him.

I’ll be visiting WHW next year, would be happy to grab a few for Dakka Distribution, as I appreciate not every has, or wants, a FB account.

Nice models. I like the regular one better than the limited one. Convenient if I had an interest in the second best siege specialists.

Also my first thought was that he has a rokkit hammer.

Yea the bare head doesn't give off enough resentful genius vibes, otherwise a really cool dude.

Wonder why the article says he will be released with a new datasheet to represent his arsenal. Everything on the model represents something that can already be taken under the Warsmith's current rules as is.

 Rihgu wrote:
Wonder why the article says he will be released with a new datasheet to represent his arsenal. Everything on the model represents something that can already be taken under the Warsmith's current rules as is.

Combi-grav is new I think.

It really shows how much FW models have improved over the years. I wish the Iron Father model for IH looked close to this good.

Bare head is really nice for a helmetless, if not the most Iron Warrior feeling. More like Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. Still quite nice.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
Wonder why the article says he will be released with a new datasheet to represent his arsenal. Everything on the model represents something that can already be taken under the Warsmith's current rules as is.

Combi-grav is new I think.

Ohhhh, for some reason I thought it was already a magna combi-weapon option. I guess it can't be, because I would have had a squad of Seekers with it if it were. And probably put it on all my rhinos. D'oh! Should have actually verified before I posted.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Bare head is really nice for a helmetless, if not the most Iron Warrior feeling. More like Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. Still quite nice.

Yeah BoS is a really good way of putting it! I'll find a use for it definitely, just not on an Iron Warrior!


Also, I can't quite figure out whats going on with the part circled here - is it part of the combi-grav? Or maybe some kind of mechadendrite, though bit random? There's the cabling which looks to feed into the gun, but that comes in on the outside part of it, so the bit behind seems a bit random to me and we don't get a good look at it from another angle. Any ideas?

The Warsmith was very specific in feeling the need to reinforce the armour on his right thigh.

Piousservant wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Bare head is really nice for a helmetless, if not the most Iron Warrior feeling. More like Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. Still quite nice.

Yeah BoS is a really good way of putting it! I'll find a use for it definitely, just not on an Iron Warrior!


Also, I can't quite figure out whats going on with the part circled here - is it part of the combi-grav? Or maybe some kind of mechadendrite, though bit random? There's the cabling which looks to feed into the gun, but that comes in on the outside part of it, so the bit behind seems a bit random to me and we don't get a good look at it from another angle. Any ideas?

It looks like it might be a second servo arm/mechadendrite reloading the combi-grav, seeing as his other hand is occupied

The weird bit behind the gun must be a separate mechadendrite I think. But then it should be visible on the WHW only model?

Bare head reminds me of Man-at-arms, so thats cool.

the bare head is so funny to me. that's not an indomitable and mighty space marine, it's some guy with a podcast

I do like the idea that marines wear some kind of arming cap or head cover under their helmet. It feels like the appropriate archaic way of doing things to put a helmet of advanced electronics, sensors and eye motion controls over a leather cap.

The exclusive sculpt with the two handed grip on the hammer is the better pose IMO.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
the bare head is so funny to me. that's not an indomitable and mighty space marine, it's some guy with a podcast

Looks like the caps worn by the pilots of the SAFS suits from Maschinen Krieger.

Disappointed the variant I like is WHW specific, but love the model

I'm guessing the weird bit in the back is a mechadendrite doing something highly specific like reloading the grav cartridge on the gun.

The GW site mentioned a hint of something "big" for the next thing, any ideas?

Probably a tank. It feels like it's been a while since we got one of those.

Big-scale in this context appears to be “not Epic scale”.

So it could be a tank, but I don’t think it’s a specific hint that it a large model. Just 28mm or whatever it is there days.

Maybe some more AdMech resin... that'd be nice... since I need them to help out my Mechanicum Knights.

Come back next Thursday for another dose of big-scale heresy.

It literally mentions scale. Could be anything 28mm. Roadmap did mention more tanks tho, and they'll probably round out the Sicarans before moving to a new chassis.

 Gert wrote:
New Warsmith model for Iron Warriors.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pg6rmzvk/reduce-the-mightiest-fortifications-to-piles-of-rubble-with-these-iron-warriors-warsmiths/

Ooh, very nice.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Come back next Thursday for another dose of big-scale heresy.

It literally mentions scale. Could be anything 28mm. Roadmap did mention more tanks tho, and they'll probably round out the Sicarans before moving to a new chassis.

I'm going with Krios/Karaknos, since they went with the surprise arvus and valdor for the preview event. Sicaran variants would be nice too. 3 left.

A little cheeky IMO talking about two praetors when it's actually functionally one praetor, with a highly-limited-availability alternative pose. Everyone I know IRL saw the banner on WHC and thought we were getting a PA/Termie duo release and ended up disappointed rather than being able to enjoy what is a pretty noice model.

WHC's loosey-goosey bantz bruv innit writing style has been scoring a few own-goals recently.

Yeah i expected a PA/Termie combo as well, I was really confused looking through the article and only saw the termie, took me a while to realize they were two different minis and not just an alternate build for the same kit

For anybody that cares Valrak dropped a comment over on B&C as an answer to

It’s time GW turned the FW Custodes line into plastic for heresy

which was

I did hear a spicy boxset rumour for 'War in the Webway'

Of course its just a comment and he didn't even do a usual rumour video yet so even more salt necessary than for a normal rumour but I just thought I'd share it here for anybody interested.

Even if its happening I wouldn't expect it too soon as he as said didn't even make a video about it yet meaning he isn't really sure the rumour could even be correct but Custodes would be the faction I expect next after Mechanicum and going by the rate how fast Mechanicum came after SA it wouldn't surprise me if we see Custodes in the middle of 2025

 Matrindur wrote:
For anybody that cares Valrak dropped a comment over on B&C as an answer to

It’s time GW turned the FW Custodes line into plastic for heresy

which was

I did hear a spicy boxset rumour for 'War in the Webway'

Of course its just a comment and he didn't even do a usual rumour video yet so even more salt necessary than for a normal rumour but I just thought I'd share it here for anybody interested.

Even if its happening I wouldn't expect it too soon as he as said didn't even make a video about it yet meaning he isn't really sure the rumour could even be correct but Custodes would be the faction I expect next after Mechanicum and going by the rate how fast Mechanicum came after SA it wouldn't surprise me if we see Custodes in the middle of 2025

It's possible, but I would think Custodes, Daemon's of the ruinstorm, and / or Sisters of Silence come in 2026 or later. The large amount of resin kits disappearing from the GW store and the talk of fleshing out current ranges makes me think the only potential new Heresy range we'll get in 2025 is Dark Mechanicum, as the antagonist to the recently released Mechanicum.

Custodes seem like a pretty easy range to knock out in a box set + 1 wave. 1 Spartan sized transport, one sicaran sized tank, a rhino sized tank, one leviathan sized and one contemptor sized dreadnought kit. One set of weapon upgrades for shooty, melta and disintegrator halberds. Jump troop 3-5 man box, maybe aquillon terminators. Possibly the long jet bikes. Tribune as warlord character?

If they want to go full talons there is the sisters transport at land raider size, various weapon upgrades that could be part of the custodes weapon sprue or its own, if not a new Sisters kit.

A custodes battleforce could look something like 10 custodian guard + weapon upgrade sprue, contemptor kit, 3-5 man unit of winged boys, and transport. Then calladius tank, telemon dread, tribune, pallas, maybe aquillons as separate wave

sisters would be a project of its own for them, but as you say, a lot of this would be easy. in terms of kits:
- weapons sprue
- contemptor (can fit both weapon options in a single kit)
- big dread
- jump guys
- terminators (can fit all the weapon options in a single kit easily)
- jetbikes
- five vehicles (and tbh they can leave the lords of war as resin for a while longer as far as i care)

six kits (one of which is an upgrade sprue and one is mostly reusing an existing kit (contemptor)), and three vehicles. totally doable

Eschew the flesh once and for all with this kitted-out Iron Hands Legion Praetor

That, is a gorgeous model!

Early today. Also

Heresy þursday isn’t over just yet

Looking at the model itself, it'll be perfect for me to convert into a Sons of Medusa Character, Vayland Cal. I collect Imperial Armour era Forgeworld and am building up different Imperial Armour forces, so I'll be getting this fella!

Mother Fething Servo Spider!

I shall name him Drutt.


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 zedmeister wrote:
Early today. Also

Heresy þursday isn’t over just yet

Looking at the model itself, it'll be perfect for me to convert into a Sons of Medusa Character, Vayland Cal. I collect Imperial Armour era Forgeworld and am building up different Imperial Armour forces, so I'll be getting this fella!

The Iron Hands Legion Praetor is made of Forge World resin, and will be available to order soon. Heresy Thursday isn’t over just yet, and we’ll have yet more to show you next week…

Full quote suggests it might just be referring to more next week. Could be implying more today though, but I’m not holding my breath.

Yea I think it means there will be one more Heresy Thursday (this year? or ever?) not more stuff today.

He's a cool dude, very Iron Handy, just not a fan of the power fist with the big palm and tiny fingers, looks a bit like he was stung by a bee.

I'd like to see him from behind. Not really sure what he has as a backpack and those cables under(?) his cape are interesting, too.

The silver rivets combined with the silver trim and silver scratches to the armour are just too much for me. It's like a visual version of white noise.

The unhelmeted head is very nice.

It's a nice model.

very very cool. seems like a blast to paint

Very nice model.

Looks like the world's easiest Iron Warrior conversion too - couple of hazard stripes and he'd fit right in

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Looks like the world's easiest Iron Warrior conversion too - couple of hazard stripes and he'd fit right in

Arguably he looks snazier than the IW before, well atleast the weapon

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Looks like the world's easiest Iron Warrior conversion too - couple of hazard stripes and he'd fit right in

unfortunately, you'd need to replace the grav pistol, which is one of the cooler things about the model

I feel like he’s a good base for a Praevian or Forge Lord for basically any legion too.

Lots of do-dads to shave off to turn him into anything other than an Iron Hands. Backpack cog/halo, chest and belt buckle symbols and the Iron Hand on the shoulder pad.

That being said, I'm not sure which head I like more as they both look good to me.

I wish 40k had models this nice.

 Theophony wrote:
Lots of do-dads to shave off to turn him into anything other than an Iron Hands. Backpack cog/halo, chest and belt buckle symbols and the Iron Hand on the shoulder pad.

That being said, I'm not sure which head I like more as they both look good to me.

I think the cog would be fine for a forge lord type character in other legions, so it’s really just the belt and chest, and shoulder pad, which doesn’t seem too tricky.

It might take a bit of filing, but it shouldn't be that onerous if you wanted to do so.

In the case of the belt, with a bit of care you could flatten it down enough to add a Mechanicum symbol over the top - though I'm not sure if that sort of touch is appropriate for a Forge Lord type character in 30k.

One day they'll remember the World Eaters exist.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember the World Eaters exist.

lol. That’s what angron said of the emperor too.

So, so much nicer than the old Iron Father model. Hope to see the TDA IH praetor soon and PA Iron Warriors one, and then it is time for World Eaters and Raven Guard to get theirs.

World Eaters and Raven guard might get a more dynamic pose than the same static pose they repeated for the last 3 models.
Not that im complaining, they look cool and gritty.

Id expect the RG praetor to have a jump pack

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Looks like the world's easiest Iron Warrior conversion too - couple of hazard stripes and he'd fit right in

unfortunately, you'd need to replace the grav pistol, which is one of the cooler things about the model

Why would I do that?
You know, vs just saying he's got an Archeotech or Disintegrator pistol.

Legion Overseers: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pg6rmzvk/heresy-thursday-legion-overseers-show-humans-how-its-done/



Bit bland and generic in my eyes.

A traitor version of the model will be showcased soon.

He's nice enough but I'm not even sure the Overseer needed a model tbh.

Feels like the production slot might have been better spent on a Master of the Signal which desperately needs a redo.

Field police! Nice! What a model

The command rod looks more like a Crozius than a command rod.

Looks pretty unremarkable. Not terrible, but kind of unnecessary.

Now tempted by a Heinz 57 list starring Previaan, Forge Lord and Overseer.

entirely solid model. curious what the traitor one is going to be like

His medallions are really thick. Like the bottom ones are just really chunky and like they're meant to be part of his armor, and not just decorations.


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 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
entirely solid model. curious what the traitor one is going to be like

Isn't that what a Dark Emissary is?

well, the DE is SOH-specific. i assume these are trying to be more generic than that

 GaroRobe wrote:


Isn't that what a Dark Emissary is?

Dark Emissaries are assigned to assure Horus' rule over other Legions, Overseers are the Marines assigned to direct and oversee attached Auxilia units.

I thought he was specifically a SoH sent to traitor legions to enforce discipline and loyalty. So something available to all traitors and not just one

 GaroRobe wrote:
I thought he was specifically a SoH sent to traitor legions to enforce discipline and loyalty. So something available to all traitors and not just one

They are, but they're SoH assigned to those Legions. See my post I made as you posted that.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
entirely solid model. curious what the traitor one is going to be like

Probably this fella.

Looks like he could pull double duty as an Overseer or Delegatus. Maybe not the most needed consul, but nice looking and good to see more being made.

Looks pretty nice and I'm glad a ubiquitous "expansion" unit is getting a model. Certainly a more worthwhile investment of a resin mold than the 2 legion specific tank commanders.

Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

Well, HH plastic mk 6 armour looks better than the 40k mk7 armour. Primaris intercessors also look better than 40k mk7 armour, so its all good now. (dont ask if older plastic mk3 armour is better than the new plastic mk3 armour, because that is a matter of taste and cant be decided easily)

Looks great but reads as a Chaplain to me.

Great model, regardless of the intention.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Looks great but reads as a Chaplain to me.

Just swap in a skull mask. This model is nice and multipurpose.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Looks great but reads as a Chaplain to me.

They're more like Commissars though. They're a reminiscence to the field police in Rogue Trader and were later mentioned as Consul-Opsequiari in HH 1st edition as enforcers of discipline (including executions) in the Legio Astartes at the begin of the Great Crusade when Marines where often enough a bunch of uncontrollable psychopaths. I guess they got the mellowness of age to not kill the Auxilia - at least in the rules.

This model looks pretty good, if a little generic. Generally, FW are doing a good job with their character figures for Heresy. I like his helmet - I'm a sucker for the crested helmet.

I'll get one just for that glorious Rogue Trader book cover helmet alone! (The plume has to go though).

I'll probably use the torso as a kitbash base for a Firstborn Chaplain. BA Jump Pack Chappie looks out of place now amongst the newly proportioned MKVI, this will do nicely as a replacement (once fully bashed). I can use the old skull mask head and shoudlerpads from the old model, always liked those..

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

Well, HH plastic mk 6 armour looks better than the 40k mk7 armour. Primaris intercessors also look better than 40k mk7 armour, so its all good now. (dont ask if older plastic mk3 armour is better than the new plastic mk3 armour, because that is a matter of taste and cant be decided easily)

‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

Roll Three Dice wrote:


‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

The proportions are definitely part of the design aesthetic. Look at Pop Head figures. The proportions are basically the only thing the entire range has in common.

That said, I'm not fussed about the primaris much one way or the other, other than the proportions. I like the added tactical kit the reivers and such have but on generic intercessors and such I'm not much moved over say the rescaled mk6 from Heresy. General lack of Mk7 helmets is probably the biggest real change.

Roll Three Dice wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm liking the Horus Heresy Marines better than the new/current line of 40k Primaris Marines?

These just feel more... I don't know... more Warhammer?

Well, HH plastic mk 6 armour looks better than the 40k mk7 armour. Primaris intercessors also look better than 40k mk7 armour, so its all good now. (dont ask if older plastic mk3 armour is better than the new plastic mk3 armour, because that is a matter of taste and cant be decided easily)

‘Better’ here being an entirely subjective take. There isn’t a single thing about the primaris line that I like better than the old stuff or the HH range. The primaris proportions are less goofy but that’s not really a design aesthetic.

All discussion about different power armour and their estethic qualities are "subjective take". I was trying a clever way to make fun of the whole discussion by first saying some PA are better, then go on to say other PA beeing a matter of taste. I even included a winking orkmoticon to make sure no one would take the contradictory reasoning serious.
There, now I explained it I trust you can have a good chuckle and enjoy the thread.

Ok, fair enough. I’d venture to suggest you didn’t do a particularly good job of communicating your sardonic tone, certainly not enough to warrant such a condescending explanation. But maybe I’m just very dense. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility.

There will come a time when the venerable MKVII power armour gets a modernization with improved proportions. I can already see it declared as the de facto power armour GOAT by the internet as soon as it gets released. The Space Marine Heroes were a slight improvement, but still not perfect, just had slightly longer legs

Im hoping that the Mk7 and Mk8 kits come with a badab war spinoff game ala horus heresy. Maybe they can base It on a modified second edition ruleset just for funsies. Seems a better way to keep the legacy firstborn marine ip alive than trying to pigeonhole them into HH.

That's the dream - updated / better proportioned MKVIII armor - hot damn!

Maybe someday...

Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

The high collar is MkVIII, I’m pretty sure that was entirely post-heresy?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Technically, Mk VII was the design issue to the loyalists for the Siege of Terra so any expansion set right then should come with some updated Mk VII.

They have to do it right though - it isn't just the high collar!!!

The high collar is MkVIII, I’m pretty sure that was entirely post-heresy?

Yeah, Mk VIII was “new” as of second edition so probably less than a thousand years old.

My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

 Alpharius wrote:
My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

Yeah but the subject was MkVII, not MKVIII

Meanwhile I'm still just hoping got an outrider squad with a sprue of mk4 riders that is compatible with the mk6 rider sprue

Yes why are we talking about Mk7 and 8 in Horus Heresy while we're missing marks 2, 4 (in nuscale) and 5 and 90% of the Fast Attack section?

GW: Best I can do is more tanks

I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
My MKVIII point was it isn't just the high collar, but also the armored belly cable, forearm/wrists and a slight helmet tweak too!

Most likely post-Heresy, yes, but hell, everything's fluid these days - shoehorn a couple of suits in there!

Yeah but the subject was MkVII, not MKVIII

Good point - but really, we should always at least have MKVIII somewhere in mind.

zedmeister wrote:I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

THAT is a very good point - and sounds like something that would absolutely make sense, so...

boyd wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

Another good point!

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

I think when people mention Crusade era games, they want not just those two, but also separatist humans and human/alien groups like the Interex.

No 30k xenos is a military threat to the Imperium, so what'd be the point? Shooting Fish in a Barrel Simulator?

Yes!

So, the lists "as is" (for the most part) from 30K for all the Legions, minus the most over the top Chaos stuff.

Add in Eldar, Orks and maybe a new alien race or two - maybe using current Squat or Necrons or even Tyranid stuff to represent them?

Probably could be done in one good sized book...?

boyd wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I reckon that when MkVII appears in heresy, you’ll see true born vanish from 40k for good, associated vehicles included with the odd exception

That would be referred to as "The Scouring".

My personal theory is they'll do MkVII, MkVIII and a, as yet, new mark, MkIX for siege of terra and, likely, scouring. MkIX will be lost as the forgeworld that produced it is scoured and it'll be a relic pattern.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

I think when people mention Crusade era games, they want not just those two, but also separatist humans and human/alien groups like the Interex.

Honestly, if they ever get tired of heresy, I reckon you'd see a return to Imperial Armour - limited forces and army lists for a specfic conflict. 'Historic' 40k, pre-indomitus you could say. But even then, that's only a very remote chance

 Alpharius wrote:
Yes!

So, the lists "as is" (for the most part) from 30K for all the Legions, minus the most over the top Chaos stuff.

Add in Eldar, Orks and maybe a new alien race or two - maybe using current Squat or Necrons or even Tyranid stuff to represent them?

Probably could be done in one good sized book...?

I have to ask, who would collect an army, at GW prices, whose purpose in the lore is just to get steamrollered and be out of history's way before the main conflict starts?

But if you want, there's fan rules for Eldar and they'll do the rest eventually https://hh-ageofdarkness.itch.io/

I don't think Orks are getting steamrolled - and Eldar are certainly still around too!

Plus, fun! (And variety - sweet, sweet variety!)

The Orks got so steamrollered it took them over a thousand years to become a threat again.

The vast majority of wars fought during the Great Crusade were against human or post-human empires, which you can use the current HH rules to represent with the Solar Auxilia, Militia, and Mechanicum.

A lot of xenos empires got steamrolled eventually, but not before putting up major fights- orks, hrud, rangadon.

I'd at least love to see some of the Eldar Craftworlds in all their glory, marching to war with Titans a plenty...

The Craftworlds were still picking up the pieces of The Fall. The Imperium didn't pick fights with them even at its height because destroying a Craftworld took far too much effort for a zero-sum result.
No new territory, no new subjects, no reclaimed technology.

Imperial policy regarding the Craftworlds has always been "try not to poke the nest because the nest tends to poke back".

There certainly weren't any Aeldari hosts with masses of Titans. They hadn't even established the Path system yet.

Eldar titans did exist, and fought in the occasional Heresy battle

"Occasional" is the operative word. The Aeldari weren't at the height of their power and barely got involved in the Crusade compared to the likes of the Orks or Hrud, who even then took a backseat to the hundreds of human empires that the Imperium conquered.
There weren't legions of Aeldari warriors backed by masses of Titans because they were little more than refugees reeling from the psychic death scream of over 90% of their race.

Yup.

The timing of the Crusade was near perfect. The Eldar had all but removed themselves as a concern, and had, presumably, been keeping Orky numbers down during the same period, with The Emperor solving that problem in the middle term on Ullanor.

Chaos wasn’t yet a thing, Necrons still mostly asleep, Nids waaaay off, and Tau not even a twinkle in the Milkman’s Eye.

 Gert wrote:
The Craftworlds were still picking up the pieces of The Fall. The Imperium didn't pick fights with them even at its height because destroying a Craftworld took far too much effort for a zero-sum result.
No new territory, no new subjects, no reclaimed technology.

Imperial policy regarding the Craftworlds has always been "try not to poke the nest because the nest tends to poke back".

There certainly weren't any Aeldari hosts with masses of Titans. They hadn't even established the Path system yet.

I guess I'm messing up the old Epic stuff. Thanks for the poke in the right direction.

When did we start poking the Eldar? During the Scouring?

Well, the DARK Eldar could certainly still be pirating souls during the Great Crusade...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The timing of the Crusade was near perfect.

I mean, the Fall and subsequent birth of Slaanesh is what cleared the warp storms and allowed the Crusade to happen, right?

Yup. And left little, if any, organised on a galactic scale foe to put up a solid resistance.

So even where a given Crusade Fleet might’ve run into stiff resistance (ref Rangdan Genocide), dealing comprehensively with those didn’t leave anything else over exposed.

And it’s all down to timing. The Emperor could sense something was about to clear the Warpstorms (how much he knew I’m not sure is clear), and so Now Was The Time for unification and pacification of the Sol System.


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 Shakalooloo wrote:
Well, the DARK Eldar could certainly still be pirating souls during the Great Crusade...

They weren’t particularly unified then, and wouldn’t be until Vect took over in M35. Yes Commoragh itself existed, but Dark Eldar society as we know it now, raiding for souls and healing through observing the pain of others, came very much after The Fall.

BorderCountess wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I'd still prefer a "Great Crusade" setting book or two...

Feels like that would be a very different game, since it would pre-date the Heresy and all the in-fighting. You might as well make it old-school 40k, but exclude the T'au and Tyranids and Chaos, and probably the Squats and the Necrons... So, just add Eldar and Orks?

The Squats would be there, they split off from the rest of humanity in the early parts of the Dark Ages of Technology.

Heresy Thursday – Keep the Human Rabble in Line With a Traitor Legion Overseer

Traitor Overseer this week. And lets be honest, he gaks all over the Loyalist version.

I like that a lot!

That’s the first HH model in a long time that really makes me go: “oooooh I want that!” 🤩

The daemon mask looks really cool on that.

Looks cool but I thought it was a 40K Chaos Marine, mostly due to the helmet.

"Move it you dogs!"

I really like everything about this model except the helmet/mask. IMO Heresy models are best when they don’t go all- out on corny Chaos features like this.

I really like that model. It's just enough chaos-y to make it instantly obvious without taking to extreme parody levels like so many 40k chaos marine figs do.

It was exactly what I was hoping it would be and I love that it's based on the art from Book 6: Retribution.

What a great model. Some of the HH models can be hit or miss, but this guy killed it

 Snrub wrote:
Traitor Overseer this week. And lets be honest, he gaks all over the Loyalist version.

If you're going to be honest, why lie with that statement, Snrub?

I think that's kinda a good, neat in-between of the clean loyalist look and 40k Chaos that makes sense as an evolutionary midpoint.

But like the loyalist one, he does feel a bit unnecessary.

Nevermind.

like the loyalist one, an entirely reasonable model. always a fan of chaos having weird helmets, plus the pose is fun, and the whip is cool too.

More of him, please! And while they're at it, 40k Chaos Marines would benefit from this toned-down aesthetic.

 BorderCountess wrote:
More of him, please! And while they're at it, 40k Chaos Marines would benefit from this toned-down aesthetic.

Wait, I thought you liked your Marines extra spikey?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:
More of him, please! And while they're at it, 40k Chaos Marines would benefit from this toned-down aesthetic.

Wait, I thought you liked your Marines extra spikey?

Personally, the 3rd edition CSM asthetic was my personal favorite for the faction. I liked the Dark Vengence more mutated ones as well for a specifically more mutated variant but that extremely mutated look became the standard/baseline from that point unfortunately with HH being the refuge of classical CSM instead.

I can see that guy leading some wretched militia but he would look out of place in a Solar Auxilia squad.

Well, hello there!

I think I just found a perfect torso for my MKVI Death Company marine. Such a shame there wont be more of these in alt poses..

For anyone who fancies this aesthetic for their CSM - wouldnt this be doable by kitbashing existing Black Templars with CSM bits?
Ohh silly me, BT didnt exist until after HH I suppose..

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:
More of him, please! And while they're at it, 40k Chaos Marines would benefit from this toned-down aesthetic.

Wait, I thought you liked your Marines extra spikey?

I have eclectic taste. I like my Marines Regular, Spiky, and Extra Crispy.

Makes sense. It's Chaos, isnt it supposed to be all over the place in terms of how it looks? As in, oozing with khaotik individuality and mutation.. Cant think of anything less chaosy than all spikes, all the time

Great mini! He'd look amazing as a Word Bearer, the helmet is awesome

Helmet reminds me of Donnie Darko... which is not a bad thing as it's a great movie and you could argue there's some Chaos stuff going on.
Wouldn't look out of place in Nightlords of either millenium.

Did it say whether these are resin or plastic?

Resin.

Man, I needed this model back in 3rd and 4th for my Traitor Basilisk.

I’m really liking the juxtaposition between Loyalist and Traitor versions.

Loyalist seems about the bombast and devotion to duty.

Traitor is about fear and threats.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Helmet reminds me of Donnie Darko...

Oh yea that's where it's from

Automatic purchase for my EC, love it

 SgtEeveell wrote:
Did it say whether these are resin or plastic?

Is there really any need for this question to get asked when a Consul gets previewed? Assume resin, and be sure it'll be shouted from the rooftops if one is specified as being plastic...

beast_gts wrote:
Heresy Thursday – Keep the Human Rabble in Line With a Traitor Legion Overseer

Love that song.

Heresy Thursday – Rally the troops with the Loyalist Herald Consul

He's nice, and possibly Klingon nobility.

This model is pure awesome. Such a shame its in resin, this would be a perfect plastic kit for jazzing up MKIIIs.

I do need one of those banners though! It looks even better than the ones in the Command Squad box

I like him. Nice and simple, not overwrought and with a sensible pose. Lack of tactical-rock is also a big plus.

I'm also glad that they didn't give him a big banner. Makes for a nice change.

It's a nice model.

GW should release a bionics upgrade kit, preferably in plastic.

Very nice! The bionics are a nice touch.

Interestingly sounds like a traitor herald next week too.

Would probably rather see the missing Legion-specific Praetor/Consuls overall, but nice to see these new consuls are coming as Loyal/Traitor pairs at least.

So that's 6/7 weeks since the last big preview where there has been a Heresy Thursday showing a new sculpt?

Doing well for a game apparently not getting releases... /s

It's not bad. But it is resin consuls all the way down. Beginning to worry there really is a 3.0 coming and they're saving up (Marine) plastic allotment for that.

Resin is the right material for these sort of models, assuming you're not going to use metal.

It's a good job space marines have enhanced vision; they'd need it to see such a small banner on the battlefield.

The tiny napkin banner is made worse by the <snip> eagle above it. Swing and a miss

Nice that the Custodes let the Marines borrow one of their standards.

Legit awesome model - will definitely get one for the Alpha Legion!

banger model. love the leg, but the banner is fun too

Pretty cool, but I'm a traitor so I'm looking forward to next week!

Nice enough sculpt, but probably not a purchase for me - doesn't do enough over the command upgrade imo. Really keen to see the traitor version.

I mean I don't look at any of the resin consuls as what they are, they're just bodies for conversion fodder. So I like the leg, I like the Mk III, but I'm looking forward to what the traitor herald will look like.

Awww maaaaan...I was hoping for a plastic Doom Turtle.

Doom Turtle?

SamusDrake wrote:
Awww maaaaan...I was hoping for a plastic Doom Turtle.

I thought the flying sea turtle (Corvis Blackstsar) was already in plastic.

Thats going to be a really nice Iron Hands herald for me. Hope they drop a bunch of these for sale soon

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Doom Turtle?

Porphyrion.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I thought the flying sea turtle (Corvis Blackstsar) was already in plastic.

How is it I overlooked this adorable item? It would look great as a bounty hunter spacecraft for Stargrave!

Can someone enlighten me how this:



Actually differs from this:



Swap power sword for fist, glue loincloth bit on, boom, done, and funnily enough, the generic Command Squad totem is if anything more impressive than piddly, pathetic one carried by the Consul above. Oh, wait, there is a difference, Legion Command Squad is actually less expensive than resin Consuls and you have 4 bodies and tons of bits left over Ok, you don't get bionic leg bit. Big whoopeedoo, maybe someone likes to massively overspend for minor character detail, but I am not that person.

Also, even ignoring price difference, the mini is just awful in that the totem standards were supposed to be used by companies. Legion banners, like this dude is supposedly carrying, are supposed to be big impressive ones like this Command Squad flag:



So, even in that regard, it's a fail, just stick the surplus Legion banner on some nice leftover body and you will have something far more visually impressive, fluffy, and cheaper than official Consul model, which is really sad...

 Irbis wrote:
Can someone enlighten me how this:



Actually differs from this:

One is MK3 and the other MK6, just to state the obvious.

Also, one have an far to large and showy banner.

Personally I really dislike the new resin guy. The generic command kit will do fine

I think I'm gonna kitbash one using bits from both kits

So, i figured most people were taking the piss but there seems to be some confusion on this - Heralds are not strictly standard/banner bearers, they are actually, well, heralds. That is, representatives of a higher authority, such as a warlord, commander, or primarch. The standard they carry is a badge or symbol of their office - it doesnt have to be big, nor should it be, because the point of it isnt to be visible on the battlefield as is the case with the command squad, its to identify them as an individual as speaking and acting with the authority of a higher command. And on that note, the symbol they carried isnt always a banner, as the fluff blurb in the rulebook makes clear, its often an artifact, relic or other object that was bestowed unto them by the authority in question as a symbol of tgeir favor, such as a piece of cloth touched by a primarch, but can also be things like a reliquary or bone, a medal, a ribbon, a coin, etc.

Next week is the big show and presumably the traitor herald. Then hopefully after that they might show off some of the tanks coming up, maybe a large and small show of the krios and karaknos?

More tanks, Arvus lighter and dreadnought next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0drukjdc/sunday-preview-the-full-fury-of-the-empire-of-man-plus-extra-fury-from-the-imperium-of-mankind/

Arvus in plastic! a must-buy for my Corsairs. Hopefully its going to be sensibly priced, as I will probably want another one as well down the line.

Mmmm. Deredeo!

The release of the DECADE is finally here. Three cheers for the Little Pig!

First off, how dare they put Heresy below Old World in the announcement

Second, I feel like those Malcador variants have been held up for a serious while since their preview?

Anyway, just a Deredeo and an Arvus for me, thanks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
First off, how dare they put Heresy below Old World in the announcement

Second, I feel like those Malcador variants have been held up for a serious while since their preview?

Anyway, just a Deredeo and an Arvus for me, thanks.

They where revealed at the same day as the Death Korps, but they where easier to predict based on the LI releases.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Second, I feel like those Malcador variants have been held up for a serious while since their preview?

Previewed at the event on Nov 22nd, entering their pre-order window on Jan 18th, with the festive period? I wouldn't say that was being "held up for a serious while".

I'm a little surprised some of the resin characters don't seem to be in the same release slot, though.

Clearly I've had a rough December...

Ouch, not even a week to recover the wallet between the kreig box and arvus+ deredeo

Yeah theres a whole lotta yes please here, but imma sit this week out, gst the Dark Coil book but i can always pick up the other stuff later.

I've wanted a plastic Arvus since forever, I wonder that prices will be like?

It's kind of a niche kit so I'm hoping for $30 with a two kit deal for $50

I'd imagine it being somewhere in the 50-60€ range, like midsize vehicles tend to be no?

Yea Malcador price bracket I'd guess. We'd be very lucky if it was Russ bracket.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I've wanted a plastic Arvus since forever, I wonder that prices will be like?

It's kind of a niche kit so I'm hoping for $30 with a two kit deal for $50

A single transfer sheet is $35.00...

A Rhino is $52.50.
A Leman Russ is $65.00.
A Dracosan is $92.00.

I'm expecting the Arvus to be $92.00/€72.50/£57.00.

The Arvus is €62.50. Valdor €70, Infernus €85 (from a pricelist posted on TGA).

62,50€ is somewhat agreeable I suppose.

Guessing the new Deredeo costs the same as the old one? What about the Deredeo weapons sprue? I have no use for more Deredeos (got 2 already, 1 in resin and 1 in plastic), but could grab the new plastic weapons as I dont have the Lascannons yet..

 tauist wrote:
62,50€ is somewhat agreeable I suppose.

Guessing the new Deredeo costs the same as the old one? What about the Deredeo weapons sprue? I have no use for more Deredeos (got 2 already, 1 in resin and 1 in plastic), but could grab the new plastic weapons as I dont have the Lascannons yet..

Yeah same price, €67.50. The weapon sprues are direct only presumably cos they’re not on the pricelist.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Infernus €8 (from a pricelist posted on TGA).

I'll take an Infernus for the £ equivalent of 8 euros, for sure.

So the Arvus finally gets released. Nice. I want one. Now it just needs to be in stock the next time I place an order.

 Dysartes wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Infernus €8 (from a pricelist posted on TGA).

I'll take an Infernus for the £ equivalent of 8 euros, for sure.

lol. If only. It was €85 I’m pretty sure.

It seems utterly bizarre that GW are release two Malcador variants a week after the launch of the plastic Krieg range and the two have nothing to do with one another. GW have a real chance to try and sell more people on HH by cross promoting the tanks as a link from 40K Krieg to 30K SA. Yet based on the marketing they have put out you would never know there was any link at all.

Prices seem about what I was expecting, disappointing the Infernus is that much more for just a fuel trailer.

Tallonian4th wrote:
It seems utterly bizarre that GW are release two Malcador variants a week after the launch of the plastic Krieg range and the two have nothing to do with one another. GW have a real chance to try and sell more people on HH by cross promoting the tanks as a link from 40K Krieg to 30K SA. Yet based on the marketing they have put out you would never know there was any link at all.

Prices seem about what I was expecting, disappointing the Infernus is that much more for just a fuel trailer.

alot of rumors is the internally, GW is very fragmented. no corss promotion, if it is its minimal or inteneded or they dont care(For example, yeah people are buying the mars patter leman russes for guard, but it isnt a main thing for them
all to promote competition between departments