GW hates mixing ranges, just look at AoS vs ToW, they even have different generations of sculpt for the same unit.

Imperial knights beeing the exeption that actually have the exact same models in 40k that also represent the official HH models.

 Fayric wrote:
Imperial knights beeing the exeption that actually have the exact same models in 40k that also represent the official HH models.

Except for the Dominus, which is 40k only.

Beyond that, that's why I'm using House Sidus, they exist in 30k and 40k.

GWs revenue has increase between 10 and 15% year over year every year for the ladt 4 years or so, I think they know what they are doing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
GWs revenue has increase between 10 and 15% year over year every year for the ladt 4 years or so, I think they know what they are doing.

Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...

 BorderCountess wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GWs revenue has increase between 10 and 15% year over year every year for the ladt 4 years or so, I think they know what they are doing.

Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...

I need to steal that for a signature quote.

 BorderCountess wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GWs revenue has increase between 10 and 15% year over year every year for the ladt 4 years or so, I think they know what they are doing.

Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...

When it’s now coming up a decade of continual growth? That’s not happy accident

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GWs revenue has increase between 10 and 15% year over year every year for the ladt 4 years or so, I think they know what they are doing.

Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...

When it’s now coming up a decade of continual growth? That’s not happy accident

The first decade of my life showed continual growth... and I'm pretty sure 95% of it was by accident.

Let's take it elsewhere and let this thread rest until there's actual N&R popping up again, cheers.

Tbh, lots of market leaders have some aspects to them where quality and success clearly have no correlation.

Breachers when?

Heresy Thursday – Get villainous with the Traitor Herald Consul

Ooh, not a traitor player, but like him a lot, solid pose and something about that chainmail, just 👌🏻

That reinforced Mk4 looking great

Well blow my nose, it's a Marine with an axe! I'd never have guessed it...

But seriously, if there's an arm-wrestling contest then its the Loyalist Consul all the way. But if there's wood to be chopped then the Traitor Consul has the edge.

That’s a great looking model.

Also a nice basis for a Modern Chaos conversion.

Nice mini, but the hairstyle on the variant head...just no.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Nice mini, but the hairstyle on the variant head...just no.

Don’t? Don’t you want it?

A whole shiny internet to anyone who knows what I mean here.

The Human League?

The clown from the original IT movies?

He's nice. I do like me a good bit of chain mail.

Feels a bit too Sons of Horus-y to fit in well with some of the Traitor legions

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
The Human League?

The clown from the original IT movies?

Phil Oakley of the Human League. With his asymmetric haircut

really big fan of the EC and ksons paint jobs in the article. i think those are what bring out the best of this model

bit generic, like the other consuls released recently, but i'm a fan. it looks neat!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Nice mini, but the hairstyle on the variant head...just no.

Don’t? Don’t you want it?

A whole shiny internet to anyone who knows what I mean here.

They'd better take it back, or we will all be sorry

His mouth looks like he had a visit from the Joker, why so serious?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Feels a bit too Sons of Horus-y to fit in well with some of the Traitor legions

Is it the giant Eye of Horus that's putting you off?
The helmet fits the Sons brutal look but a cheeky head swap would do the world of good IMO.

 Gert wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Feels a bit too Sons of Horus-y to fit in well with some of the Traitor legions

Is it the giant Eye of Horus that's putting you off?
The helmet fits the Sons brutal look but a cheeky head swap would do the world of good IMO.

I *think* I could justify it, since they'd all be under the banner of the War Master, though the skull is definitely a Cthonian thing (not that it needs to be painted gold, but still)

The axe too is very SoH-y, though it does look great painted up as a World Eater

Awesome looking MKIV. The proportions look so much better than the old plastic kit

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s a great looking model.

Also a nice basis for a Modern Chaos conversion.

That was my first thought as well. Thinking about an alternative Executioner for World Eaters.

He looks great, as I'm actively hunting for guys that look like their armour is beat to hell and back... and repaired in the field.

Hopefully I can do an arm swap and ditch the Logo de Traitor-o.

Did everybody miss the other huge exciting news?

Everybody's favorite flying shoebox!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/70bnjoru/the-complete-guide-to-the-arvus-lighter-what-it-is-and-how-to-use-it/

beast_gts wrote:

Oh look, Zorg from Fifth Element

At least he has two things going for it, Mk 4 and the totem EoH being slightly bigger than generic one, unlike lame loyalist variant who has Mk 3 and small totem trivially replaced by Command Squad model. I can't help but notice that his index finger either clips into banner or a knight stepped on it making it paper flat. The chainmail hanging from raised arm also seems to mutate into weird sideway tubes at the bottom. I'd also say him being in Mk 4 is really big downside, too, if the axe hand is not separate because that wrist protector with skull on it makes cutting off hand for weapon swap really hard if you want it to look good. Also, what I said last time applies here too, totems are carried by companies, if that is supposed to be legion banner it's the wrong bit.

By the way, is it me or did sculptor placed the two belt stars there because he has turned torso and the spot looked 'bare' otherwise - making you wonder how it works when he is actually facing straight. Do the stars scrape on leg? Push on random weird chest cable trying their best to disconnect it?

I also wonder why the three alternate models are just lazy recolors. Why not use faction upgrades/helmets to show off the look other legion players actually care about instead of just slapping on some contrast and calling it a day? Oh wait, no, my bad, the middle one has random pad swap for some reason - and to another generic one, not legion bit because that would be actually useful

The unhelmeted head looks like young Eidolon in the unsubtle prequel.

Eidolon was never that pretty.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Nice mini, but the hairstyle on the variant head...just no.

Yeah, he shaved the wrong side - surely he wants the hair to cover the wound, not the unblemished part!

Wow this model shows Horus' loss of control over his men to Chaos.

No way Luna Wolves Horus would allow that non regulation haircut.

Yeah, It would look much better if the shaved scalp area was painted to be scar tissue, along with most of the right side of his face.

Maybe that was the sculptor's intention, it would explain the haircut

EDIT: I was replying to Shakalooloo

 tauist wrote:
62,50€ is somewhat agreeable I suppose.

Guessing the new Deredeo costs the same as the old one? What about the Deredeo weapons sprue? I have no use for more Deredeos (got 2 already, 1 in resin and 1 in plastic), but could grab the new plastic weapons as I dont have the Lascannons yet..

it is not. It's still a 35 pts flying rhino by function in the list and that is the only thing justifying prices, certainly not material or production costs for gw.

They did end up showing the Thanatar Calix anyway. Good tbh, it was so obvious what it was it was basically a wasted slot in a reveal, at least this way it was a little bonus.

Yea I'm glad the Calix is out of the way. The article says next week is yet another resin consul tho.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I'm glad the Calix is out of the way. The article says next week is yet another resin consul tho.

I don’t mind the resin consuls.

Fingers crossed it the Forgemaster. With plakky Thallaxi in play, we need our Forgemaster.

The big stompy robot we were expecting...then not...then we were again...hmmm.

as far as i'm concerned, the new EC reveals are a heresy reveal. nearly everything can work for 30k. some great characters (using the bladeguard guys as champions or something); i especially want to use the noise champion as a moritat, with his two pistols. and those line troops, i'm never using normal tacticals for EC ever again

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
as far as i'm concerned, the new EC reveals are a heresy reveal. nearly everything can work for 30k. some great characters (using the bladeguard guys as champions or something); i especially want to use the noise champion as a moritat, with his two pistols. and those line troops, i'm never using normal tacticals for EC ever again

Yeah I’m definitely looking at the range a a great range of models and bits for a late heresy EC force.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea I'm glad the Calix is out of the way. The article says next week is yet another resin consul tho.

Didn't it say character? Could be something not consul. Maybe one of the missing Praetors?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don’t mind the resin consuls.

It's obviously better that they exist than if they didn't, but I'm not interested in having identical dudes as everybody else. Any release that isn't multipart plastic is pretty meh to me.

Saw this on Reddit:

Yes sir, I like it!

Definitely leans nicely into the late-Heresy aesthetic.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Saw this on Reddit:

a thing of beauty

The new EC are gonna slot nicely into my current Siege of Terra EC, as they have gone completely down the glory hole, would match the rest of it.

Yea that's nice, and by the Siege they had gone completely off the rails already, right, wearing flayed skin is no problem.

Yes, I like that - the new EC kits don't do anything for me (apart from the character models, which are pretty good). Using the kit components on HH models seems to dial back the cartoonishness and make them look more menacing.

The Arvus is US$68 online, not bad for GW.

There's another reveal for Heresy this week. As nice as these chaps are it would be nice to see something different now.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The Arvus is US$68 online, not bad for GW.

£38 with discount is very nice.

SamusDrake wrote:
There's another reveal for Heresy this week. As nice as these chaps are it would be nice to see something different now.

Warhammer Community wrote:a new character taking the stage next week

So another resin dude.

Come to think of it, we're still missing a lot of pretty cool Centurions, like the dual pistol guy, the heavy weapons guy, the dreadnought medic...

Moritat (dual pistols dude) has been available for a while.

 Gert wrote:
Moritat (dual pistols dude) has been available for a while.

But you mean the midget version, right?

If they're gonna start redoing Consuls it feels like the Master of Signals needs it first, that model does not hold up.

Pretty sure the MoS is gone so unlike the Moritat, it actually is not available.

The others are recent enough that they don't need redone before any other Consuls.

 Gert wrote:
Pretty sure the MoS is gone so unlike the Moritat, it actually is not available.

The others are recent enough that they don't need redone before any other Consuls.

Wasn't the MoS part of a 2 pack with the old Champion?

Still hoping for a Praetor. RG, WE, and Salamanders need both, IH need their Terminator one, IW need their PA one. It would also be nice if they finished the Leviathan Dread upgrades- why did White Scars and Night lords get leviathans before Iron Hands or Iron Warriors?

Decent number of consuls that still need models- some could be universal while others would work well for a traitor/loyalist dual release. And we have yet to see any Terminator armored consuls unless you could the very old Iron Father or exclusive Primus Medicae.

Master of Signals (no longer available)
Delegatus (though the Overseer or Herald models can stand in for them just fine, or even praetor models)
Chaplain (one does exist in mk IV plastic) would do well for a loyalist/traitor split
Forge Lord
Primus Medicae (one exclusive model in Terminator armor was released) would be another good chaos/loyalist split.
Armistos
Pathfinder
Mortificator

Moritat only exists in Jump form, and with plasma or volkite pistol options. Honestly would be a good candidate for a plastic model with 3-4 options for fancy pistols and jump pack or not. Maybe if they get around to doing a plastic Destroyer squad.

 Gert wrote:
Pretty sure the MoS is gone so unlike the Moritat, it actually is not available.

The others are recent enough that they don't need redone before any other Consuls.

Still there - https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Legion-Champion-and-Master-of-the-Signal

But the champion it's packed with was replaced (with a far superior model), so you have to think at some point they will do the other one as well.

 Gert wrote:
Pretty sure the MoS is gone so unlike the Moritat, it actually is not available.

He's listed as temporarily out of stock online, same as roughly 150 other items out of 237 in the "Loyalist Legiones Astartes"

But no shade if you weren't able to find him on that website, even if you search for "signal" he's listed after two pages of completely random product including every single Kill Team card pack in Italian.

I just assumed it was gone because the Champions got redone.

Fair do if it's still there.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Moritat only exists in Jump form, and with plasma or volkite pistol options. Honestly would be a good candidate for a plastic model with 3-4 options for fancy pistols and jump pack or not. Maybe if they get around to doing a plastic Destroyer squad.

Just swap the jump pack? The cables aren't connected to it.

To ba fair, Moritat is the easiest conversion. His defining feature is just 2 pistols. And I guess rad grenades.

-Wrong thread-

Heresy Thursday – Protect your God Engines with the unyielding Secutarii Axiarch

That is nice and unexpected...

Not bad, not mind blown either, but not bad.

Why is he called an Axiarch when he looks like a Maciarch?

The pig latin in HH is getting pretty wild but I like the fig though.

Cool mini! Just a shame he's resin.

That's the best model I've seen in a very long time.

That's going to the top of my list, He'll make a thematic Magos for my AdMech Knights.

very neat to see a not-space marine. maybe if this becomes a trend, we may eventually get more talons minis

Not a Marine? This is on outrage!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not a Marine? This is on outrage!

He has S4, T4 and a 3+ save - he's fine, just looks a bit different.

It's really cool that the Titans have their own foot soldiers.

SamusDrake wrote:
It's really cool that the Titans have their own foot soldiers.

Now we need them in Epic scale with a Corvus Assault Pod for them to ride in!

Yes! 100% YES!!!

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Cool mini! Just a shame he's resin.

cool mini just a shame you can't really get him on the field.

Geifer wrote:Why is he called an Axiarch when he looks like a Maciarch?

Booooooooo!!!

Plastic secutarii and secutarii for LI when tho?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Cool mini! Just a shame he's resin.

cool mini just a shame you can't really get him on the field.

Aside from the fact he's not been released yet, why couldn't you?

 Dysartes wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Cool mini! Just a shame he's resin.

cool mini just a shame you can't really get him on the field.

Aside from the fact he's not been released yet, why couldn't you?

Because the only way to field him by the book is with a titan on the table - e.g. a minimum of a warhound... not exactly a common item in 30k scale for most folks!

Piousservant wrote:
Because the only way to field him by the book is with a titan on the table - e.g. a minimum of a warhound... not exactly a common item in 30k scale for most folks!

Nope. The Compulsory for the Titan Maniple Detachment is 1 Lords of War or 1 Troops (Optional: +2 HQ , +6 Troops, +3 Lords of War) so you can just take a single unit of Secutarii. I've been taking Peltasts alongside my Iron Hands.

beast_gts wrote:

Piousservant wrote:
Because the only way to field him by the book is with a titan on the table - e.g. a minimum of a warhound... not exactly a common item in 30k scale for most folks!

Nope. The Compulsory for the Titan Maniple Detachment is 1 Lords of War or 1 Troops (Optional: +2 HQ , +6 Troops, +3 Lords of War) so you can just take a single unit of Secutarii. I've been taking Peltasts alongside my Iron Hands.

Ah cool, my bad! For some reason I thought both the troop and LOW were compulsory, obviously didn't look closely enough. I am right in thinking you can't ally them with other Mechanicum though?

Piousservant wrote:
I am right in thinking you can't ally them with other Mechanicum though?

Only way to ally is to take an Archimandrite HQ.

beast_gts wrote:

Piousservant wrote:
I am right in thinking you can't ally them with other Mechanicum though?

Only way to ally is to take an Archimandrite HQ.

Nope. Look at the FAQ, this restriction regarding the Divisio Tactica was removed some time ago.

I just wish the Secutarii had a bit more unit variety. Like some dudes with rotor cannon or maybe twin flechette blasters for horde clearance. Plus if any of the 30k forces thematically fit the Ironstriders, the Secutarii do.

I mean these guys are supposed to deal with things that are beneath a Titan’s notice or which could actually hurt it so light vehicles down to hordes of conscripts with bombs strapped to them.

Also it would be really cool if their Kyropatris forcefield thing got better when in range of a Titan (some interaction with the void shields essentially).

But…that’s what their Cannister Cannons do? Variety of loads, and can do horrible, horrible things to massed infantry.

Well. The Peltasts do. I’ve always seen the other unit as better suited to forming a corden around a fallen or damaged Titan until recovery can take place.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I just wish the Secutarii had a bit more unit variety. Like some dudes with rotor cannon or maybe twin flechette blasters for horde clearance. Plus if any of the 30k forces thematically fit the Ironstriders, the Secutarii do.

I mean these guys are supposed to deal with things that are beneath a Titan’s notice or which could actually hurt it so light vehicles down to hordes of conscripts with bombs strapped to them.

Also it would be really cool if their Kyropatris forcefield thing got better when in range of a Titan (some interaction with the void shields essentially).

In Book VII inferno, the Secutarii could take radium carbines or an entire unit of arc rifles. If they could be arsed, they could put out a new list where they can take Moirax knights, Triarios and possibly ordinatus engines

 zedmeister wrote:
In Book VII inferno, the Secutarii could take radium carbines or an entire unit of arc rifles.

They still can do that.

A squad w a bunch of arc rifles is hilarious. Just wish they were cheaper ($€£¥-wise)

They utterly delete Dreadnoughts, I’ll tell you that for nowt.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They utterly delete Dreadnoughts, I’ll tell you that for nowt.

Hmmmm..... I'll file that away for the future.

Hmm. Guess it would be worth pulling out some of the many many skitarii sprues I have stacked in hunt for arc rifles.

Secutarii would be a pretty easy kit to make in plastic. It's only heads, backpacks, shield and Lance and peltast shot. One sprue of 10, then put it in a box of skitarii and slap the hh logo on the box. Boom, more mechanicum.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Hmm. Guess it would be worth pulling out some of the many many skitarii sprues I have stacked in hunt for arc rifles.

Secutarii would be a pretty easy kit to make in plastic. It's only heads, backpacks, shield and Lance and peltast shot. One sprue of 10, then put it in a box of skitarii and slap the hh logo on the box. Boom, more mechanicum.

The Skitarii kit is already overflowing with leftover bits, that's why I bought some of these. With the Secutarii bits you would only use like half or a third of the box.

Heresy Thursday: Tech-heretics have been judged and found wanting by the Arcuitor Magisterium





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Gorgeous... That one will certainly go into my collection. Love the scribe-servitor with feather... It's such a silly concept in itself and fits so well...

The Arcuitor Magisterium is made from Forge World resin and has rules in the Liber Mechanicum – Forces of the Omnissiah Army Book, where she can make use of her influence to bring along a Maniple of Arlatax Battle-automata or Vorax Battle-automata without taking up a Force Organisation slot.

Araltax? Vorax?

I can has plastic?

I see her becoming a Skitarii Marshall in some folks armies.

Cool model, looks like it would fit just as well in the Necromunda thread tho

we're less than a month into the year and i'm already confident that this is going to be the model of the year

Woah, that is a nice set of models.

That's a really cool model indeed and I'm glad to see a few Mechancius models that are more on the thin side than the lumbering/hulking/brokenback/beetle style.

The little dude is literally me.

Absolutely love it. The little scribe is worthy of an entire range of small scuttling Mechanicus purpose-designed servitors.

Purpose-built cyborg hobbits.

Looks like someone got lost on the way to Necromunda. Wouldn't know it was heresy unless someone told me.

I don’t know what I’m going to use them as, but those are going in my collection.

Nope, she's a Lisa Stansfield fan. Once one of those metal pincers lowers a microphone to her lips, the little guy dims the lights and then switches on the spotlight. Then she's performs All Woman.

No one under the influence of Slaanesh will stay hidden for long.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/azq6kpaa/heresy-thursday-mechanicum-heavy-support/

Krios, Krios Venator and Karacnos for HH, as well as a Support Box with the two + Thanatar.

Well, 2 new plastic kits and a discount box makes this Heresy Thursday 10/10

Well, here's hoping they can now proceed with releasing the Epic versions...

That heavy support boxed set looks sweet!

We knew all these were coming but its great to finally get them appearing in the plastic. Interesting to see that the Karacnos is almost entirely identical to the current tank save for two addon arms for the side guns and the topplate/

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, here's hoping they can now proceed with releasing the Epic versions...

They'd need to officially reveal them first

Lordy, right in the wallet!

Guess I’ll be having two of those when the time comes.

 Matrindur wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, here's hoping they can now proceed with releasing the Epic versions...

They'd need to officially reveal them first

Still waiting - it's been nearly four months

A) Happy that they are finally in plastic.

B) Unhappy that I already have 6 Venators and 2 Karacnos...

But I suppose another of each could not hurt.

Now THATS a Heresy Thursday.

I only really wanted one karaknos and one Las thanatar, but heavy support box with a krios, guess I'll go for 2.

those are some lovely tanks. as the army becomes more and more plastic, it becomes more tempting to start a mechanicum army

That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

So you're saying the big limited production run boxed set can only "be taken once" in a standard game. Methinks that might be intentional by GW

Or just an accident because its made up of the latest 3 models

 Overread wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

So you're saying the big limited production run boxed set can only "be taken once" in a standard game. Methinks that might be intentional by GW

Or just an accident because its made up of the latest 3 models

I bought two of the battle group box, even if it had too much tech-thralls in it (and I already had a lot of the old ones). While it was labeled as 'while stock last' it was on the mail order for a long time. I also saw it in stores, gathering dust. And it was a rather good box to start Mechanicum. With the Mechanicum HS force... I mean, non-Marine factions should be promoted until they get a stable player base. That box isn't exactly a help.

I bought two battlegroups, too. I wanted to sell the Krioses because I'm not really sold on the Mechanicum tank design... now that I see the other two tanks I'm seriously considering keeping them, obviously they've grown on me hmmm, I only wanted walkers, I only wanted walkers...

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

More plastic mechanicus is always welcome. I’m glad they keep fleshing out the range, and I stylistically prefer heresy over recent 40k any day of the week.
I anticipate ursurax, domitar and myrmidons even more though - they can’t come soon enough..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

Uhm, a beginner? As an existing Mechanicum player I'm not sure if I really want one box. And I'm not sure how many of us are out there, newer or older. The last box wasn't exactly a bestseller.

Thing is we never know GW's production numbers - we never know if a box under or oversells because we never really have a good grasp on the stock levels; esp at the larger scale not just our local micro scale.

So even when a box appears to sell slower than others we don't know if that's because its selling badly or if GW produced double the number of boxes and it sold way more than any other recent box; just not as high as they guessed it might etc..

Also honestly considering GW stock doesn't devalue over time (and can even increase); a slower seller here and there isn't bad. Plus heck having osmething that doesn't sell out on the week it goes live is rather refreshing for those of us who can't jump on every single launch box.


Heck I know I'm probably going to miss out on this box since I'll be going all in when Soulblight comes out .

I suspect that if you're new to the Mechanicum, the Battlegroup box, an Archmagos, and this Heavy Support box feels like a good start to a collection - I'm on 2/3 so far, and should probably actually finish some stuff so I can justify the HS box.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Not sure why the Calix is limited to one per Maniple, either

Its pretty funny how back in August last year they said regular HH thursdays would be back in September, then after only releasing a single one at the start of october go back into hiding for 5 weeks and finally say HH Thursdays would not be weekly anymore just for every single week afterwards except the christmas week to have a HH Thursday

It's a bit of an eccentric boxed set, but the new plastic tanks are great looking models. I've been wanting to get a Krios for years - it's always seemed like a definitive Heresy-era design. And the Karacnos is just awesome. Pity I already have a Thanatar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That box doesn't make much sense. It takes all support slots at once and there's no reason to buy more than one as that would be 5 HS - only the Krios can be field in squadrons.

Whoever heard of a gamer tying themselves to just one army list!

considering how the mechanicus rules are right now and how significantly diffrent a shift in models is required for a diffrent list i say it's not unlikely that people want to stick to a single list. Already the battleforce was , let's say, somewhat problematically designed from a contents standpoint.

It's also likely that with the way the models were all resin that might have impacted how they stated and designed the army; with it going to plastics you could well see them update the army system so that it allows for more options because now it should be cheaper to build up (and faster for GW to produce and keep up)

If you buy two boxes you can only fit 4 of 6 models in one list... not ideal, but at least you literally didn't pay anything for the two models you can't use.

I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

Apocalypse always sucked. I heard the last edition was not that bad as units could do something before removed, but it's usually just a game for people with too much big tanks, Knights and some Titans played in a garage or store maybe two or three times a year. I mean it's either Epic in 28/30mm scale or a game with 40k/30k oriented rules where you remove your infantry from the table with a shovel. None of this is really attractive.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

Apocalypse always sucked. I heard the last edition was not that bad as units could do something before removed, but it's usually just a game for people with too much big tanks, Knights and some Titans played in a garage or store maybe two or three times a year. I mean it's either Epic in 28/30mm scale or a game with 40k/30k oriented rules where you remove your infantry from the table with a shovel. None of this is really attractive.

Back then, it was the only way to field a bane blade or a stompa, or even break the rigid FOC with more than 2 HQ so it had a great appeal even if the games was never that fun. The fun thing was trying to build special/named formations that was impossible to field in a normal list. I guess its not as special when you are allowed lords of war and even the most basic list deploy a primarch.

First Apoc (was that during 4th edition?) was great fun if you played it as written and not try to waac (locally it was eventually killed by a munchkin threatening to bring 3000 pts of just spore mines... these are the people who ruin games, boot them at the first sign!)

The middle Apocalypse (in 6th or so?) was trash, it added an additional layer of complexity that made the games slower instead of faster and was definitely a child of the "sell as many bad books as possible" paradigm of its time.

Haven't tried the last one that was really pseudo-Epic in 28mm but it looked good apart from having to buy card decks.

Anyway Heresy's default game size is what Apocalypse game size was in 4th edition, so not sure HH needs extra rules for it.

Who has that many spore mines?!

surely they had to be kitbashed or hand-sculpted

They need to fix the weapons and points balance on the superheavies before trying to push Apoc.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
surely they had to be kitbashed or hand-sculpted

He was a waacer, of course he didn't own that many spore mines, he'd have brought empty bases.

He was renown for playing power lists "because he likes the models" but having to proxy the models because he didn't actually own those models he liked.

I’m sure there’s a Schrödinger joke in there somewhere, but I seem to be lacking.

Hopefully, next week’s Heresy Thursday will show off more Automata, or at least start showing other Automata.

I'd brace yourself for the chance/likelihood of seeing the LI version of the two vehicles that we've just seen the 30k version of, though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m sure there’s a Schrödinger joke in there somewhere, but I seem to be lacking.

Hopefully, next week’s Heresy Thursday will show off more Automata, or at least start showing other Automata.

maybe the arlatax will get an actual bighammer model

That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Vorax and Domitar? No idea when we might see them, but I’m confident we will.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Vorax and Domitar? No idea when we might see them, but I’m confident we will.

Ursarax likely will share a thallax sprue, and wouldn't the domitar and arlatax share as well? Vorax may well be their own kit, maybe with a new gun option in plastic.

Myrmadons as a kit would be logical and popular- one sprue for a secutor kit and one for a destructor kit.

Vulturax would be nice as well.

Overall with the roadmap of tanks, I'm kinda expecting after this hs box and individual releases that we will get a marine wave of vehicles. Solar aux just got the malcador variants and arvus, and now krios and karaknos. The missing sicaran variants would be low hanging fruit- arcus, punisher, and omega.

Domitar and Araltax I honestly don’t know, as I’m not terribly familiar with the latter. But, if the Epic scale version is representative, then I guess so. I wouldn’t expect it to be a dual kit. Shared body almost certainly though.

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

You can always just IGNORE the FOC....The studio jackboots won't kick in your door waving the .44

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I suppose an old school Apocalypse expansion would work pretty well in HH?
Would be nice to expand the format without mess up the balance of regular games.

You can always just IGNORE the FOC....The studio jackboots won't kick in your door waving the .44

Good to know. I will just pick whatever I like now.

Great models, weird launch box. I wont be buing these until much later anyways, so individual kits for me

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Just common legs, the torsos and jets are very different.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That must be coming. And I’m fairly sure the Ursarax exist already, at least as a digital sprue layout, as the Thallaxi sprues were designed so it’s a common body.

Just common legs, the torsos and jets are very different.

They split the legs, hips, and some parts onto this sprue deliberately. Torsoes, heads, and weapons are on the other. Just Jump pack torsoes take up more space, but claw/fist arms take less than thallax guns.

So erm, no more Heresy Thursday?

Not necessarily. They normally say when a given article is the last of a run. And it’s not a guaranteed weekly thing.

No Necromonday, no Heresy Thursday - only High Elves and misshapen frogs. Boring week. But well, there's enough Necromunda stuff for pre-order and the last Heresy previews were Mechanicum only - I really can't complain.

I'll allow them one week off after last week's reveal

It's been a steady stream of goodness lately (the frogs weren't too bad). I hope it continues.

By the way, I didn't want to start a whole new thread, so I'll just threadjack this one for a moment....

Has anyone heard of any rumors of releasing the Perpetuals as models?

There we go folks, Heresy Friday with Daemon Angron and Lotara Sarrin.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uu8prgos/angron-ascends-and-the-conqueror-gets-its-captain-in-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

Well thats a a nice surprise reveal.

Angron did look kinda weird at first but I think he is fine. He's just not as thick as I would have expected and kinda looks like he is mid transformation but I guess thats exactly what he is supposed to look like

Angron is superb, and a nice middle ground between his existing models.

Lotarra is out of left field. I’m really liking the simplicity of her model.

Hm, alright I guess. I don't really care for resin Daemon Primarchs.

i was wondering how they would make a 30k demon angron be distinct from the 40k model, but i think this one has much better posing. i also like how much more spikey the silhouette is

not familiar with the other character since ive still only read a few of the HH books, but i think it's cool to finally have a source for a female head with butchers nails. have been trying to find something to use for my conversions for ages (ideally would be able to find more than one, but i can at least use this for a praetor or something)

i know they said these are getting digital rules at some point, but it feels a bit weird for the new angron model to not make an appearance in a campaign book

Looks slightly more transportable than fulgrim, so that's something at least.

Amazing, so much more detailed than the 40k version that it makes it look almost like a toy.

I love the head, it's giving me Freddy Krueger vibes.

It’s more Nightbreed to my eyes.

Though to be fair, that’s still an unjustly kinda obscure movie.

I love Clive Barker but Nightbreed didn't do much for me. Maybe I should give it another go

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i was wondering how they would make a 30k demon angron be distinct from the 40k model, but i think this one has much better posing. i also like how much more spikey the silhouette is

not familiar with the other character since ive still only read a few of the HH books, but i think it's cool to finally have a source for a female head with butchers nails. have been trying to find something to use for my conversions for ages (ideally would be able to find more than one, but i can at least use this for a praetor or something)

i know they said these are getting digital rules at some point, but it feels a bit weird for the new angron model to not make an appearance in a campaign book

She doesn't have the butcher's nails, it's just her hairstyle. That's part of the reason why she's able to help coordinate the war effort for the WE as much as they did in the later heresy since she was one of the few people not completely ruined by them.

I feel like this Angron is too busy, also I guess the consistent thing between the 30k daemon primarchs are ginormous resin wings that you will never be able to transport normally if you don't pin/magnetize the absolute hell out of them.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I love Clive Barker but Nightbreed didn't do much for me. Maybe I should give it another go

It is a difficult film to love. I still hope the Cabal Cut, which apparently makes far, far more sense, gets a proper release.

Holy crap that new Angry Ron rules!

I feel like if those wings were 20% smaller the model would have come together a lot better, they just feel like they belong to a different model. He's not bad, but I think the 40k one is better, unlike Fulgrim.

Lotarra is great.

To me, this is a much better version of Angron. His 40k model just looks way too much like a cartoon, especially compared this work of art.

I like that they made a Heresy Friday logo for this. And it is almost definitely resin, but Lotara looks like she could almost be a plastic character model, like one of the black library models.

Super happy with this release. I dislike the 40k Angron simply because it is over the top and then some.

But this is a Primarch I would happily field in 30k and 40k.

And also very pleased to see Lotara, probably by favorite side character next to Niora Su-Kassen. Of whom I should also like a miniature to purchase.

Nice models but surprised they don't get a campaign book to go with them. Surely they'd be as worthy of such a thing as Fulgrim?

Well, I don’t think we’re aware of any forthcoming campaign books at all.

So, I presume, there will be a campaign books, but it’s currently too far out to be mentioned?

Even if it’s a second volume of Apocrypha.

They said they’ll get digital rules. I’ve seen theories that it’s because 3rd edition is coming soon and they’ll have print rules from the start of that.

 Grimskul wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i was wondering how they would make a 30k demon angron be distinct from the 40k model, but i think this one has much better posing. i also like how much more spikey the silhouette is

not familiar with the other character since ive still only read a few of the HH books, but i think it's cool to finally have a source for a female head with butchers nails. have been trying to find something to use for my conversions for ages (ideally would be able to find more than one, but i can at least use this for a praetor or something)

i know they said these are getting digital rules at some point, but it feels a bit weird for the new angron model to not make an appearance in a campaign book

She doesn't have the butcher's nails, it's just her hairstyle.

This coupled with her hair going grey by the time of the Siege(as shown by other art of her) is why the model looks like it has nails from that angle.

 ImAGeek wrote:
They said they’ll get digital rules. I’ve seen theories that it’s because 3rd edition is coming soon and they’ll have print rules from the start of that.

Loads of things get digital rules for HH when stuff gets made outside the release cycle, it's a shock when units get added in a book rather than a PDF.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i was wondering how they would make a 30k demon angron be distinct from the 40k model, but i think this one has much better posing. i also like how much more spikey the silhouette is

not familiar with the other character since ive still only read a few of the HH books, but i think it's cool to finally have a source for a female head with butchers nails. have been trying to find something to use for my conversions for ages (ideally would be able to find more than one, but i can at least use this for a praetor or something)

i know they said these are getting digital rules at some point, but it feels a bit weird for the new angron model to not make an appearance in a campaign book

She doesn't have the butcher's nails, it's just her hairstyle.

This coupled with her hair going grey by the time of the Siege(as shown by other art of her) is why the model looks like it has nails from that angle.

oh, that's disappointing, the search continues, i guess

I dunno, feels like they could have crammed a little more surface details on the stone steps.
I really like it, though that'd be an intimidating paint project (not that I'll ever own one).

Mixed feelings on this - some bits I like, others I don't. Not one I'll ever purchase so will hold off on final judgement until I see one in person if ever.

Lotara is a bit odd though, not sure why she's waving around a sword like a madwoman when her most iconic moment calmly involved her shooting a World Eater in the face with her pistol.

Nice to see one of the few (the only?) non-Astartes Legion character getting a model. Not completely sold on the pose though. She's a character who definitely would have benefited from a non-dynamic pose. Hands clasped behind her back, or pointing as if giving an order would have worked much more in her favour.
Also I think it's a huge missed opportunity to not have given her a really unique scenic base in the form of the conqueror's command helm.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Lotara is a bit odd though, not sure why she's waving around a sword like a madwoman when her most iconic moment calmly involved her shooting a World Eater in the face with her pistol.

Something akin to this commissar would have made for a great model.

That was my favorite non-hero Commissar as well.

I bought this one and the powerfist one, I wanted the Lord but left it too late and he went to finecast.

 BorderCountess wrote:
To me, this is a much better version of Angron. His 40k model just looks way too much like a cartoon, especially compared this work of art.

This. The 40k Angron is pure derp, shoulda been like this from the beginning IMHO

All in all, HH releases make 40K Imperial / Chaos look bad

Lotara Sarrin is an odd choice, seeing as she never leaves the Conqueror as far as I can remember, but love her nonetheless.

FIRE THE URSUS CLAWS!


Does give me hope we'll see more mortal characters at some point.

 BrookM wrote:
Lotara Sarrin is an odd choice, seeing as she never leaves the Conqueror as far as I can remember, but love her nonetheless.

FIRE THE URSUS CLAWS!


Does give me hope we'll see more mortal characters at some point.

I looked her up. Turns out she's still there, 10,000 years later. Sorta.

 tauist wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:
To me, this is a much better version of Angron. His 40k model just looks way too much like a cartoon, especially compared this work of art.

This. The 40k Angron is pure derp, shoulda been like this from the beginning IMHO

All in all, HH releases make 40K Imperial / Chaos look bad

It's funny, I was just telling my kid (who started playing his Necrons again) a week ago about how much I want an alt Angron sculpt from the 30K team. I really, really wanted to like the 40K version. Angron is my dude. But I just couldn't do it, so I put off buying the kit. Well, there it is and it's just what I wanted from the sculpt. It may never leave my house thanks to those wings, but it will be mine and I'm gonna love painting it.

Nice sculpt but I wouldn't rate it over the 40K one as its represents a much earlier stage in the Primarch's transformation. Its more classical and human looking in it's detail and pose.

Sunday Preview – Get ready for the Black Library Celebration

Lots of stuff coming up for pre-order...

That's a lot at once

edit: ninja'd

A bumper week! And I need to pull my finger out and get painting before the Mechanicum toys land.

Ouch, just as I was paying down my card. They couldn't have split them into mechanicum one release and marines another?

Those FW models will sell out instantly. I'm more interested in the Mechanicum tanks, although I might wait for them to be released separately.

Mod edit - image spoilered due to size

£110 is £88 with 20% off - that seems pretty good.

 Snord wrote:
Those FW models will sell out instantly.

Good job they appear to be standard line items, so should return.

Wonder if I can find someone to straight swap their Krios for my Karacnos?

I know the kits won’t be the same price, but I’d be getting a decent enough bargain on two of those sets I’m not sure I’d be bothered at a small, perceived, loss.

I'd do that swap, I'm probably only getting one box though.

Fair! Well. Let me know

I recently got back into HH (again) and started a Mechanicum army. I regularly check the availability of some units in the Mechanicum category on the webstore as I want to get a Vultarax. At this point I've already been waiting for months now for it to come back in stock. This morning the Vultarax and Ursarax were displayed as “Sold Out Online” and after a quick browser refresh both disappeared from the webstore. Any chance they'll come back or get a plastic replacement soon?

Holokrates wrote:
I recently got back into HH (again) and started a Mechanicum army. I regularly check the availability of some units in the Mechanicum category on the webstore as I want to get a Vultarax. At this point I've already been waiting for months now for it to come back in stock. This morning the Vultarax and Ursarax were displayed as “Sold Out Online” and after a quick browser refresh both disappeared from the webstore. Any chance they'll come back or get a plastic replacement soon?

Vultrarx was removed ages ago from the UK store. The Ursarax are also no surprise as they will likely share sprue and design parts with the already released plastic models. Considering we've seen them in plastic for AI there is every chance we'll see them in plastic for the 30K version of the game.

Are they coming to plastic? I’d say that’s a certainty.

When? I’ve honestly no idea.

I think we could confidently say "this year" right now. At least I would expect a strong chance of it so long as no major disasters happen to stall GW's release rate

Here's hoping! Plastic Vultarax sparks joy

Heresy Thursday – The Usarax Cohort leap into battle


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Holokrates wrote:
I recently got back into HH (again) and started a Mechanicum army. I regularly check the availability of some units in the Mechanicum category on the webstore as I want to get a Vultarax. At this point I've already been waiting for months now for it to come back in stock. This morning the Vultarax and Ursarax were displayed as “Sold Out Online” and after a quick browser refresh both disappeared from the webstore. Any chance they'll come back or get a plastic replacement soon?

Ask and ye shall receive

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wwfgcerl/heresy-thursday-the-usarax-cohort-leap-into-battle/

Excellent news! I’ll be in for a couple of boxes.

More plastic more better!

Those are some fun looking murderbots.

Borgs. Murderborgs.


There’s squishy bits in them thar chassis!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Borgs. Murderborgs.


There’s squishy bits in them thar chassis!

I stand corrected.

Just saying that is those guys started going “KILL ALL HUMANS” and joined the robot uprising, there would be exactly 0 surprise from me.

They give spicy hugs too.

my gripe that these could be bearlike remains true; however, all the same, these are fantastic models, and the temptation to start a Mechanicum army grows ever stronger...

Sexy AdMech being sexy - not surprised, but sure am happy to see those bad boys released. Domitar and flying potato, pls GW.
I liked ursurax more in FW paint scheme though, but I guess shades of grey are reserved by HH guard.

The typo in the URL (and article title) amuses me.

The wallet screams.

While the spelling isn't quite the same, their inventor being named Falkan makes me want to name one of them Joshua and ask my opponents "shall we play a game?" every time I attack with that model.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
While the spelling isn't quite the same, their inventor being named Falkan makes me want to name one of them Joshua and ask my opponents "shall we play a game?" every time I attack with that model.

How about a nice game of tic-tac-toe?

 Dysartes wrote:
The typo in the URL (and article title) amuses me.

Make USA racks great again.

I'm either blind or just not well-versed but where are their volkite incinerators the article talks about? In the middle of the claws I assume?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I'm either blind or just not well-versed but where are their volkite incinerators the article talks about? In the middle of the claws I assume?

Chest guns iirc

Dudeface wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I'm either blind or just not well-versed but where are their volkite incinerators the article talks about? In the middle of the claws I assume?

Chest guns iirc

Yup, emitters in the torso linked to ammunition in the "kidney" area.
Their special close combat thing is to grab you with the claws then blast you at point-blank range.

I like the models, just going to be what, 7 thruster bells per model to attach?

I bet these guys look better when not decked out in mono-red. Everything looks better on Ryza.

These Ursarax are pretty cool.

I'm not sure bout their scale though. Are these bigger than standard infantry? What would their base size be, 32mm?

Edit: Sorry didn't realise these are plastic redux of resin FW so they already come on 40mm bases.

These are the first mechanicum "automata" which does nothing for me. Something is off about the silhouette, the legs look too scrawny or something..

Besides, those lightning claws look really dumb, would have much preferred if these all came with optional fists instead of just two to a kit. OTOH, thats some money saved for me.

I don’t like the heads. They remind me of motorcycle helmets.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I like the models, just going to be what, 7 thruster bells per model to attach?

Five by the look of it. One on each leg, three on the jump assembly. It’s fewer than the Thallaxi, who have six (two legs, two directional nozzles on the lower back, two on the jump assemble.

tauist wrote:Besides, those lightning claws look really dumb, would have much preferred if these all came with optional fists instead of just two to a kit. OTOH, thats some money saved for me.

Uhm... I think the claws look much better than the clumsy fists.

Snord wrote:I don’t like the heads. They remind me of motorcycle helmets.

Hmm, yes, I'm not a fan of the heads too. But if I don't convert them I just paint the visor black with a light green horizontal line or dot to represent their 'eyes'.

It's kinda sad that the Ursarax never had even passable rules so fielding them is something for enthusiasts.

 tauist wrote:
Besides, those lightning claws look really dumb

What don't you like about the claws, tauist?

Seriously, if i was a 40k Ad Mech players, i could fill bottle of salts looking at my terrible looking models while 30k players are basically getting all that is cool and interesting about the faction : Robots.

GW really needs to stop compartmentalizing, they just straight up loose money.

I don’t disagree, but I also, to some extent, appreciate the technological decay aspect.

Even at its height, the Mechanicum is using centuries, if not millennia old, technology. And it clearly has at least some capacity to replace and refurbish.

But into the 41st millennium? It’s lost ever more, having to rely on cyborgs and irreplaceable elements.

Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have more automata of course. But there is an in-universe explanation for not seeing the same toys as the heresy.

Not that you, I or anyone has to like that of course.

The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Seriously, if i was a 40k Ad Mech players, i could fill bottle of salts looking at my terrible looking models while 30k players are basically getting all that is cool and interesting about the faction : Robots.

GW really needs to stop compartmentalizing, they just straight up loose money.

RIP Fire of Cyraxus. Back in the day, Imperial Armour 14 was written to allow you to bring 30k robots into 40k albeit with complications: they didn’t work quite right after 10,000 years. It never made it to release due to the 8th edition release, studio politics and the untimely death of Alan Bligh, so it was canned. Shame they ended the imperial armour series

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Also when a bunch of other hersey era tech has been reinvented by Cawl. Volkite, anti-grav, etc.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

As literal Relics. Things that have survived the tides of time. Not stuff anyone is using on the regular.

In 40K, something being mothballed doesn’t mean it’s technologically obsolete, just that whatever is general issue is much easier to maintain on the scale The Imperium needs. After all, powerful as *insert relic tank* here is, what’s the point in committing man hours to repairing, arming and maintaining one of those, when the same man hours might maintain, number right out my arse for comparison only, five Leman Russ, which individually aren’t as mighty, but as a 5/1 group are better/

It’s the supply and demand issue. Why invest in say, new Titans (and we know the Imperium can still produce them), when the same resources can churn out squadrons of tanks which, collectively, have greater application.

Something something Fires of Cyraxus.....

All the fluff reasoning doesn't have to result in 40K Admech not having (other) cool robots instead of/ next to their strange steampunk mix. They could easily release more things like the Kastellans.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Also when a bunch of other hersey era tech has been reinvented by Cawl. Volkite, anti-grav, etc.

Cawl stands as a testament to what the wider Imperium might achieve without constant attrition. His works were 10,000 years in the making, with none of it being sent off to war. And had the same period to horde the required resources.

Anti-Grav has always been part of Imperial tech, most commonly for Servo-Skulls. Volkite was lost post-Heresy, but of course Cawl is very much from pre-Heresy. So it’s entirely plausible his own wee sanctum had a copy. And given his efforts, again over 10,000 years, only need produce a few hundred working examples? Really not that surprising.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The in-universe explanation for why there aren't more Heresy-era toys in 40K falls apart a bit when we know that there are tanks etc. from the period still in use.

Obviously the real reason is BUY IT AGAIN!

Also when a bunch of other hersey era tech has been reinvented by Cawl. Volkite, anti-grav, etc.

Cawl stands as a testament to what the wider Imperium might achieve without constant attrition. His works were 10,000 years in the making, with none of it being sent off to war. And had the same period to horde the required resources.

Anti-Grav has always been part of Imperial tech, most commonly for Servo-Skulls. Volkite was lost post-Heresy, but of course Cawl is very much from pre-Heresy. So it’s entirely plausible his own wee sanctum had a copy. And given his efforts, again over 10,000 years, only need produce a few hundred working examples? Really not that surprising.

So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Don't forget Knights. Post Heresy, the Dominus Knights magically appeared.

Back to the N&R bit. Got a question, when do you think we're going to see some Dark Mechanicum stuff come out?

Id expect at minimum an upgrade sprue for the existing stuff maybe 18mo out. Acutal units are probably much further out.

They have the assets for full sized stalker constructs already, but I'd probably expect the mechanicum knights to transition to plastic first. Darkmech will likely trickle in as an expansion to the normal mech range rather than get a seperate focused release box or such.

I unbox and review the models in the Mechanicum Heavy Support Force box, as usual with professionally photographed sprue images: https://taleofpainters.com/2025/02/review-mechanicum-heavy-support-force/

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Guilliman specifically contracted him to work on Astartes stuff for him, which is the only thing preventing his peers from stripping him for parts for being a heretek. If he dared start getting caught messing with Mechanicus stuff, he wouldn't last long.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Fluff Shmuff. It's more to do with GW not wanting people using one game's models in another game. You must buy more stuff if you want to play in another game. The fluff is written to match that.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
So the most surprising thing is while he managed this for the Space Marines, he didn't do anything similar for the Admech? OK... my point was, as ever (or more accurately, since 8th or so) GW narrative is whatever it wants to support or nor models in a given range.

Guilliman specifically contracted him to work on Astartes stuff for him, which is the only thing preventing his peers from stripping him for parts for being a heretek. If he dared start getting caught messing with Mechanicus stuff, he wouldn't last long.

Fluff Shmuff. It's more to do with GW not wanting people using one game's models in another game. You must buy more stuff if you want to play in another game. The fluff is written to match that.

but the first point here was addressing the fluff, and so they got a fluff answer

lost_lilliputian wrote:
These Ursarax are pretty cool.

I'm not sure bout their scale though. Are these bigger than standard infantry? What would their base size be, 32mm?

Edit: Sorry didn't realise these are plastic redux of resin FW so they already come on 40mm bases.

Yeah they're pretty beffy! I own some of the resin prints and they stand very much over a standard marine and over the height of a terminator.

I adore the new kit, cheaper price point for the 6 for me and I can run 9 in a mad (and inefficient) frenzy of claws and power fists for the IVth!

 Dysartes wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Besides, those lightning claws look really dumb

What don't you like about the claws, tauist?

They look like outgrown nails of a yoga guru, not like something I've typically come to associate with lightning claws. They just dont look all that threatening, for lack of a better term..

He's out of line, but he's right.

On the other hand, they do look a good shape for grabbing someone, as was described earlier in the thread as being part of how they operate - grab foe, drag in front of volkite, then CHOOM until they're sorry.

Ursa(bear)rax claws are very similar so as the name implies

Going back to the latest pre-orders, any idea whether this means the WHW exclusive IW Warsmith is going to be available at the same time...?

Don't know if/when they usually announce the release of WHW exclusives?

We don’t know. But, it’s the WHW Anniversary this weekend, and a bunch of Looters are going. So we should know more then.

Mystic Grotsnik Predicts…..

Today’s Heresy Thursday article will be…..Vorax.

I'll be very happy if it's another plastic kit.

Well, the Prognostigrot is getting whacked with a big spanner later.

Finally! Long over due. He'll be doing a lot of duty as a Raven Guard Prætor

something about this guy's armour is way cooler than normal space marines

wish they had better pics of those guns, tho

It gets a 5 out of 5 Birdskulls

Yes very cool and we can't begrudge the XIX getting something finally.

Not bad for a marine.

The best Marine I've seen in a while, and it's RG!

Very happy with this one!

Heresy is on fire lately!

All he needs is birdskull beakie helmet and he'd be complete.

Looks great... better than 40k Ravenguard.

Both Javelins are Sold Out Online, fingers crossed!

 zedmeister wrote:
Finally! Long over due. He'll be doing a lot of duty as a Raven Guard Prætor

Honestly looking at the little flourishes in his design, he'd actually make a pretty good Praevian - techy-gubbinz on the backpack, that buildout in the centre of the chest could be a Cortex Controller maybe highlighted a bit with a brass-based paintjob. Stick on a bionic-y head and tweak the weapon loadout and you'd have a pretty unique...oh bugger, now I want to do a Raven Guard ZM army with a Praevian leading a unit of Vorax.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Both Javelins are Sold Out Online, fingers crossed!

Javelin with Lascannon and Javelin with Cyclones are both sold out, in favor of the newer Javelin that has both cyclones and the plastic sponsons

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, the Prognostigrot is getting whacked with a big spanner later.

Spoiler:

Very cool looking armor that is suitably ornate for his standing. I like it.

I’m also impressed with just how Gun Slinger he looks.

I think it’s the left hand pushing the cloak out the way that does it, and the unfeasibly large leather holsters.

Which reminds me of my constant bafflement you just don’t seem to see Western themed Marine forces, either in canon or fanon. What could be more Magnificent Seven than seven, seven foot tall, power armour clad, near as dammit immortal, might-as-well-be-Demi-gods turbo nutters who’s very basic guns make people explode?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Which reminds me of my constant bafflement you just don’t seem to see Western themed Marine forces, either in canon or fanon. What could be more Magnificent Seven than seven, seven foot tall, power armour clad, near as dammit immortal, might-as-well-be-Demi-gods turbo nutters who’s very basic guns make people explode?

Marines are too 'establishment' for a proper group of desperadoes. They get to be the cavalry that rides in - Ultramarine blue, surely. Also, the hats won't fit under their helmets.

I've seen a lot of Cowboy/Gunslinger Mechanicus Skitarii. Heck, I saw Skitarii cowboy hats on Etsy earlier today.

I can imagine him being played in a movie by Christopher Walken.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I've seen a lot of Cowboy/Gunslinger Mechanicus Skitarii. Heck, I saw Skitarii cowboy hats on Etsy earlier today.

With those robot horses, they make perfect Galaxy Rangers.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Both Javelins are Sold Out Online, fingers crossed!

Javelin with Lascannon and Javelin with Cyclones are both sold out, in favor of the newer Javelin that has both cyclones and the plastic sponsons

Awwwwww

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I've seen a lot of Cowboy/Gunslinger Mechanicus Skitarii. Heck, I saw Skitarii cowboy hats on Etsy earlier today.

With those robot horses, they make perfect Galaxy Rangers.

No guts, no glory!

It's a fine model, no doubt, but I thought Raven Guard waas all about that stealth and sneakiness? This guy looks as understated and lowkey as a Custodes hiding amongst guardsmen..

 tauist wrote:
It's a fine model, no doubt, but I thought Raven Guard waas all about that stealth and sneakiness? This guy looks as understated and lowkey as a Custodes hiding amongst guardsmen..

is he any worse at it than any other massive superhuman wearing an even more massive suit of superarmor? we're grading on a curve

Do people not remember when the 40k Raven Guard were sneaking Centurions into people's faces?

 tauist wrote:
It's a fine model, no doubt, but I thought Raven Guard waas all about that stealth and sneakiness? This guy looks as understated and lowkey as a Custodes hiding amongst guardsmen..

He's a Moritat. By the time he's deployed (Likely with a bunch of Destroyers), the time for stealth and sneakiness is long since past. It's now salt the earth time

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Your first priority is to escape, harried by traitors bent on your destruction. But what then? How will you survive and regroup? How do you overcome the shock of betrayal and keep your forces supplied? Perhaps most importantly – who can you trust?

Your primary character is one of these Consuls, but you’ll also create a secondary character, such as a Naval commander from your fleet, a Remembrancer assigned to record your achievements, or an Iterator tasked with enlightening newly compliant worlds with the Imperial Truth. You’ll play these characters when their particular skills are required, or if your Consuls need to split up.

The game is expected in Spring 2026, and you’ll be able to pre-order it later this year.

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All Eisenstein, all the time?

Sounds like these Consuls are in the fast track to Black Shield land.


Eh. Not excited for the ToW relaunch. The original Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was so perfect for the setting.

Nothing like starting out as a Rat Catcher with your small barking dog, baskets, dead rats, and a stick, while your buddy rolls up a squire and has everything you could possibly want to go into battle with.

But at least you know the truth that there are bears in the sewers. Giant talking rats? Preposterous!

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Eh. Not excited for the ToW relaunch. The original Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay was so perfect for the setting.

Nothing like starting out as a Rat Catcher with your small barking dog, baskets, dead rats, and a stick, while your buddy rolls up a squire and has everything you could possibly want to go into battle with.

But at least you know the truth that there are bears in the sewers. Giant talking rats? Preposterous!

My first character was a ratcatcher and she's still my favorite character



ToW RPG doesn't grab me at all.

 zedmeister wrote:

 tauist wrote:
It's a fine model, no doubt, but I thought Raven Guard waas all about that stealth and sneakiness? This guy looks as understated and lowkey as a Custodes hiding amongst guardsmen..

He's a Moritat. By the time he's deployed (Likely with a bunch of Destroyers), the time for stealth and sneakiness is long since past. It's now salt the earth time

Funnily enough, if he does join a unit, he can only join Seekers and Mor Deythan.

He straight up cannot join units.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He straight up cannot join units.

Huh, I must've been looking at the pre-Martial Civil War stat block, then.

Doesn't really look like a murderer to me. It's a great looking model for sure. But I don't really see Nex based on the existing art and description of him. He should be grungy, totally utilitarian. Nex is an outcast in his legion, only Corax showed some favor to him. His hair looks tidy and his facial features look regal, he should be disheveled, uninterested in maintaining his appearance. This model has extremely ornamented armor, should have been a praetor. Cool RG get something though.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Doesn't really look like a murderer to me.

The hallmark of a great murderer!

Haha this is true. I don't think he'd be trying to hide it though!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Doesn't really look like a murderer to me.

The hallmark of a great murderer!

QFT and for the LOL!

Love it personally, and will definitely be picking it up!

He’s a hefty lad

He' very baroque. Who's the hand flamer going to impress?

All these resin characters characters are well and good, but I’d like something a bit more plasticity with a bit more general purposefulness, in either big or little Horus Heresy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
He’s a hefty lad

love all the filigree