I think I would have liked to see a bit more of the exposed exoskeleton on the G3s, kind of like how the G1 and G2 have them. As it is, they just have boney spikes jutting out of them which doesn't look quite so cool.
Yup, same here. It's also a good foundation for larger scale warpath armies, at least if they get it right this time. Then again they'll gave learnt their lesson from the Goblin debacle and since they're using digital sculpts here to begin with that pitfall is quite unlikely this time round
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'm unsure what these plastic sprues mean in regards to what I've already pledged for.
Are they going to replace the figures in the starters/ boosters?
What about individual figures I pledge for that are now going to be included on the spure- like a cypher prime?
Hope Mantic is going to better explain this.
If they offer cheap sprues for round two... hoo boy.
I'm in the same boat, I went for a few of the booster minis but not the full boosters so I've paid for them separately but it looks like they are now on the sprues and everyone gets them regardless (or Mantic clip them off ) I've asked and need to wait for an answer I'd like to reallocate the money if I don't need to buy them now.
It's great news about the hard plastic but it's very confusing update at the last minute.
Sunday is your last chance to get your finalized survey into us. Addresses, Contact Details and your choices are key details for us and we need this as soon as possible so we can start processing and ordering.
We're keeping an eye out for the responses.
One key thing is that IF your survey is late, we’ll still process your order however we will not be able to add-on anything that isn’t a Mantic Product – that means no Battle Foam, no Army Painter and no Antenociti's Workshop scenery. If you want these items then please get your survey in as quickly as you can!
Before you do that though, we’ve some important information.
NEW! Hard Plastic Sprues
Good news ladies and gentlemen – we’re going to be producing hard plastic sprues for the Enforcers, Asterian Cyphers and Forge Father Forge Guard!
This breakthrough is down to the Cyphers, Forge Guard and the Enforcers being digitally sculpted.
We’re working on pulling the sprue layout diagrams together but this is a hugely exciting piece of news that we wanted to tell you before the Kickstarter Survey deadline.
Asterian Cypher Concept
The Asterian Hard Plastic Sprue contains the Asterian Cyphers, Cypher with Heavy Weapons (Fission Beam and Rocket Launcher) and the Cypher Prime – we’re hoping to squeeze the gun drone on there too! All other Asterian Miniatures remain sprueless Plastic Resin.
Forge Guard Render
The Forge Guard Hard Plastic Sprue contains the Forge Guard, Forge Guard Huscarl plus Heavy Weapons including Rocket Launcher, Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon. All other Forge Father Miniatures remain sprueless Plastic Resin.
IMPORTANT! Enforcer Components - note that not everything included in this image will be in hard plastic and that the picture does not include all variants - there are some components missing. All of the torsos will have bases attached.
The Enforcer Hard Plastic Sprue contains 5 Enforcer Bodies with enough parts to arm them with Heavy Rifles, Assault Blades and Pistol. You can also build an Enforcer Sergeant, Enforcer with Heavy Weapons (Rocket Launcher, Incinerator, Burst Laser) and you have the bodies for the Enforcer Defenders. All other Enforcer Miniatures (including Sniper, Engineer and the Defender Shields and Shotguns) remain sprueless Plastic Resin.
We’re super excited by this – a hard plastic Enforcer sprue was something we’d always dreamt of and now being able to do it, plus two additional kits as well, is just unbelievable. You made this possible and we cannot thank you enough.
The other great thing of course is that the Deadzone Model range is fully compatible with our Warpath line, meaning we’re getting a total of five new hard plastic miniature kits (Enforcers, Enforcer Peacekeepers, Cyphers, Forge Guard and Plague Zombies!) to add to the range. Exciting times for the future indeed!
Note that all of the Mercenaries, Plague, Rebs and Marauders will still be in our Sprueless Plastic Resin as well.
I think they should add a few days on the survey too, because with news like this people will probably want to fiddle with what they want (AGAIN) based on how sprues are going to affect things.
Very curious as to how those Forge Fathers are going to work out on sprues. Dudes better still be thick and chunky!
One thing I have noticed and I've sent a email to them about it but haven't received an answer yet on is the fact that when I enter in my Zip Code, which starts with zero, it keeps dropping the first digit!
Mutated Teraton looks quite nice but the loaders don't unfortunately. That said... I do think they look accurate to their concept art which I also didn't like.
Really happy about the new hard plastics, Enforcers will be a brilliant faction with the two different sprues out for them.
This is Mantic punching above their weight, and the digital sculpts generally turn out better so they should be some really high quality sprues comnig our way.
Warpath Enforcer Army is mine. And soon!
There's no way I'd have gone for the £3/mini hybrid restic/metal ones, but these? Yes. Want.
...they're still only semi-multipose though; for example, it seems the enforcers will have the legs and torso in one bit. Not an issue (and even beneficial, what with ranking up!) in fantasy plastics, but a definite downside to sci-fi models IMO. Not insurmountable but I'm not exactly overjoyed at that, TBH.
Still, I'll be going for a fethton of enforcers now for sure.
Bolognesus wrote: ...they're still only semi-multipose though; for example, it seems the enforcers will have the legs and torso in one bit. Not an issue (and even beneficial, what with ranking up!) in fantasy plastics, but a definite downside to sci-fi models IMO. Not insurmountable but I'm not exactly overjoyed at that, TBH.
Still, I'll be going for a fethton of enforcers now for sure.
I agree that having the legs and torso as one piece is disappointing. Seems like two steps forward and one step back, as the saying goes. Still, they indicated that these are still being worked on, so maybe that will change.
I'll keep my fingers crossed, but won't get my hopes up.
If they do a good job with them, I will certainly be getting a gakload more on the second survey.
Not too bothered about the combined torso and legs. Should make assembly easier. To be honest I just hope they are better than the goblin sprue, my one mantic misery :(
Still loving all the plague figs so far, am i the only one?
Well torso and legs as one piece is a nice practical solution, gives the body a nice movement, which would not be possible if the torso and legs were separate interchangeable parts.
The plague have grown on me to be honest. The stretched torso is weird but in a way that is interesting.
The single torso legs is a pity as it makes it less versatile without getting the saw out.... But the bits do look good all up.
Alpharius wrote: Good point - I may have to add things... again!
One thing I have noticed and I've sent a email to them about it but haven't received an answer yet on is the fact that when I enter in my Zip Code, which starts with zero, it keeps dropping the first digit!
Hopefully that won't cause any problems...
Hopefully they'll get back to you soon. I contacted them through the Kickstarter mail system for the same problem. The guy who got back to me told me that it was a bug with the software used for the surveys, it views the address box like a quantity and so omits the zero for zip codes. He told me he was sorry for the inconvenience and would fix it manually.
edlowe wrote: Not too bothered about the combined torso and legs. Should make assembly easier. To be honest I just hope they are better than the goblin sprue, my one mantic misery :(
Still loving all the plague figs so far, am i the only one?
I'll have a review of the Basiliean men at arms sprue up super-quick once the final KoW package is delivered. That'll be a good acid test for seeing if the tooling issues there are sorted.
One other thing that is worthy of praise... it looks like all this new hard plastic is a result of them getting surveys back and realising that with a lot of extra cash coming in on top of what the KS earned, they're free to go ahead and use it to make the minis even better.
No KS/amazon fees on survey additions either, which allows them to make full use of the bonus cash.
It's pretty good to see the product being made even better post-KS, a lot of companies either pocket the survey cash or use it to cover shortfalls in their budget. I like the fact that Mantic has a ringfenced kickstarter account, used only to fund production of KS product.
Excellent, glad they managed to do the troops in plastic. Hopefully they don't look out of place beside their restic brothers.
scarletsquig wrote: It's pretty good to see the product being made even better post-KS, a lot of companies either pocket the survey cash or use it to cover shortfalls in their budget. I like the fact that Mantic has a ringfenced kickstarter account, used only to fund production of KS product.
As opposed to siphoning it off for boardgames and HQ upgrades you mean? : p
Well, having built the current Enforcer models, I'm actually pleased to see the legs/torso as one piece. The way the current ones are designed, they wind up having a pretty unsightly gap. Plus, doing them this way does actually bring them in line with the other sci-fi plastics for the most part. The Corp troops are like that, the Veer-myn are like that, the Orx are like that, and most of the Forge Fathers are like that I think as well. The real question is, do I want to magnetize mine?
Also, hooray for plastic Asterians! I seem to be the only one who is really looking forward to them though. :(
You're not the only one. I think the plastic Asterians will rock the craftsba. If they manage to make them wraithguard-sized but not wraithguard-priced, they should do even better.
(I will not be using them as wraithguard. I just like the aesthetics of the design. But the reality is that most sales will probably be to disgruntled 40k fans.)
PsychoticStorm wrote:Well torso and legs as one piece is a nice practical solution, gives the body a nice movement, which would not be possible if the torso and legs were separate interchangeable parts.
These aren't Infinity figures. They're identically-sized, heavily-armoured and in fairly-neutral poses. Belt profile will be identical, or near enough as to make no difference, and torso twist is hidden behind it. They could very easily be provided as separate interchangeable halves with no other modification to the sculpts.
Of more concern than the one-piece bodies are the fused weapons and arms. Especially with weapons that silly.
Barzam wrote:Well, having built the current Enforcer models, I'm actually pleased to see the legs/torso as one piece. The way the current ones are designed, they wind up having a pretty unsightly gap.
The new models correct the wonky sculpting – and how! – so such gaps wouldn't exist.
Plus, doing them this way does actually bring them in line with the other sci-fi plastics for the most part. The Corp troops are like that, the Veer-myn are like that, the Orx are like that, and most of the Forge Fathers are like that I think as well.
I thought Mantic was trying to move forward? Shouldn't they be evaluating these things on their own merits rather than tradition?
I know very well these are not Infinity figures, my opinion still stands, the fewer parts a model has the better it looks, fused weapons and arms, great, at least they will look as if they hold the weapon instead of simply touching them.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I know very well these are not Infinity figures, my opinion still stands, the fewer parts a model has the better it looks, fused weapons and arms, great, at least they will look as if they hold the weapon instead of simply touching them.
That really is entirely up to how neatly you cut/file/glue separate weapons/arms (left hand a bit less, but take for example the new tau pathfinders - it works OK there...) rather than whether they're molded on or not.
Watched the Mantic Kings of War week vids on their youtube channel today. Pretty interesting seeing the process of casting metal minis, doing photo shoots and other graphical wizardry.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I know very well these are not Infinity figures, my opinion still stands, the fewer parts a model has the better it looks, fused weapons and arms, great, at least they will look as if they hold the weapon instead of simply touching them.
That really is entirely up to how neatly you cut/file/glue separate weapons/arms (left hand a bit less, but take for example the new tau pathfinders - it works OK there...) rather than whether they're molded on or not.
No, seriously. Moulded arm + weapon is a hell of a lot better. Anything else gives you the playmobil effect where the fingers aren't actually gripping all the way around the weapon.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I know very well these are not Infinity figures, my opinion still stands, the fewer parts a model has the better it looks, fused weapons and arms, great, at least they will look as if they hold the weapon instead of simply touching them.
That really is entirely up to how neatly you cut/file/glue separate weapons/arms (left hand a bit less, but take for example the new tau pathfinders - it works OK there...) rather than whether they're molded on or not.
No, seriously. Moulded arm + weapon is a hell of a lot better. Anything else gives you the playmobil effect where the fingers aren't actually gripping all the way around the weapon.
Now if you would, for example, oh I don't know, actually check out the new pathfinder kit (as I might have actually just mentioned... -_-' ) you'll see this is not actually true.
The reason it used to be the case is that manual sculpting techniques seem to lead to some laziness where. either in sculpting or tooling, the fit is not made sufficiently exactly flush.
Those pathfinders (one of GW's nicer kits in quite a while, actually!) demonstrate how nicely flush the fingers of a separate left hand can lie against the weapon.
Really, next time you care to blindly repeat an assertion you might want to check the counterarguments already given, first.
Not right hands, or any hand that needs to grip around the whole weapon rather than just 3 sides of it... that results in the playmobil effect, as modelled by this WGF orc:
I'll be getting around 150 baslieans with playmobil hands mailed to me in a couple of weeks, so I'm very keen to voice my opinion on this topic in the hopes that it doesn't happen again. Enforcers sprue layout as it stands looks perfect to me, very happy that the hands are gripping the weapons. Separate left hands on a 2-handed rifle is fine.
It's a relatively minor piece of quality/ polish in a kit, but it is important and is one of the little pieces of attention to detail that make, for example, Perry Minis kits that little bit better than Warlord Games kits.
Well as far as I can even figure out what the feth you're on about at this point, nice shifting of the goalposts. We were talking the enforcers' weapons; I hope you *will* agree that holding some kind of pistol grip in a molded hand (say space marine style for example) would be enough to get past that problem?
The great big fething problem here is the *left* hands around the guns. That makes them gak to convert. that the right hand is fine holding some pistol grip ish component was plainly not what any of us had issues with.
Oh and to get back to those space marines - those do fine with separate weapons. a matter of having that grip molded in the hand which is fine for conversion purposes as well as quick glue-together and play models just the same. the left hands are what will make these things horrible to work with.
I don't think it'll be a problem, looks fine to me.
Conversions where a 2-handed rifle is being held in 1 hand don't always look that great. Filing off the hand shouldn't be a problem if you do want a fire from the hip pose.
I'd rather have the basic minis looking good rather than a million different separate bits. Separate heads and arms is all I need, it's only just recently that mantic stopped making 2-part minis on its sprues, so as long as those don't make a comeback I'm happy.
I think Plastic Space marine hands do the job well, while still leaving enough options to do what you want to do without filing and cutting hands off weapons. Space marine option B where the hands are attached to the weapon (ie Plasma Pistols) but easily removed also works.
The thing is of course that the GW space marine setup does the job "done" only if you have low expectations.
I was not sure how to describe it but "playmobile" syndrome sounds about right, the hand does not grasp the rifles hand guard it is just around it, yes it is easier to "convert" this way, but at the expense of the models overall quality.
Personally I would rather have better sculpts than have many parts to glue together and say I have made a conversion.
Azazelx wrote: As nice looking as the Enforcers are, they don't touch the GW plastic space marines. My opinion, of course.
Dreamforge Valkir (what we've seen of them) > Enforcers (what little I've seen of them) > SMimo. I've never liked the SM aesthetic sadly, or at least how it comes out on the tabletop. It looked (and felt!) pretty good in the Space Marine game.
I think that's kind of unfair to compare anything to the Valkir. They just look way better than pretty much anything else on the market right now.
This current argument... I'm having a hard time understanding it. Are we arguing about having fewer parts for a better sculpt being superior to more parts allowing more variety at the cost of the sculpt? If that's the argument, I think it's good to have a middle road and I think Mantic hit it. They've got just enough parts available to provide several different poses while keeping the leftovers limited.
Interesting bringing up the Valkir (from Dreamforge Wave 3... one day!). Between the Enforcers and those, players will suddenly have a plethora of alternate power armored models! Also including companies like Anvil.
Barzam wrote: I think that's kind of unfair to compare anything to the Valkir. They just look way better than pretty much anything else on the market right now.
To be fair, though, the Valkir are not on the market right now.
Submitted a second survey this morning so as to drop the Enforcer Sergeant and Cypher Prime - they don't seem to be answering questions on the sprue changes and I guess I'm getting them on the sprues now so why pay more for them separately?
Saved me $10 (except I added another Ruined BZ so they got another $15 from me!). I wonder how many surveys they are going to have to work through when this finishes today a lot of people seem to be submitting multiple surveys.
EDIT:
So I guess the KS Enforcer starter will now contain
2 Enforcer Hard Plastic sprues - Parts to make 10 Enforcers with armed with Rifles, Assault weapons, Rocket launcher, Incinerator, Burst laser, Sergeant upgrade
1 Restic Captain
1 Restic Engineer with 2 Restic Sentry Guns
1 Restic Sniper
Conversions where a 2-handed rifle is being held in 1 hand don't always look that great. Filing off the hand shouldn't be a problem if you do want a fire from the hip pose.
I'd rather have the basic minis looking good rather than a million different separate bits. Separate heads and arms is all I need, it's only just recently that mantic stopped making 2-part minis on its sprues, so as long as those don't make a comeback I'm happy.
No, you don't quite get it.
I want to get the whole fething ridiculous rifle off of what is otherwise a decent mini and stick a decent gun up there. dremeling a gun out of a hand holding it if a pretty damn annoying yob, and it destroys the gun so it's not useful for scenery anymore. I'll admit the latter point isn't all that relevant but the former one damn well is...
Looks like there's going to be some deadzone testing next week if you have some models to test with, according to Quirkworthy.
With that in mind, you can treat this as a heads up, or a warning order (if you’re feeling particularly military) for some Deadzone stuff in the next week-ish. There will only be a very short window to test it out, so if you want to join in now’s the time to get the stuff ready that you’ll need.
Azazelx wrote: As nice looking as the Enforcers are, they don't touch the GW plastic space marines. My opinion, of course.
I would have to go for the Enforcers, simply on the basis that I've built at least 8 thousand space marines over the years, and if I ever pick up another one my head will explode like I've been punched by the Fist of the North Star!
Realise that it's purely subjective however, if I was a newbie coming into wargaming I guess the marine concept would have the edge (although both of them look cool).
I would have to go for the Enforcers, simply on the basis that I've built at least 8 thousand space marines over the years, and if I ever pick up another one my head will explode like I've been punched by the Fist of the North Star! .
I would pay good money for somebody to give me a tabletop Kenshiro. Maybe a few of the Nanto stars as well. Plus Raoh of course.
Kenshiro could put those pesky first gens down without breaking a sweat.
Does anyone know if anything that was slated for the second shipment got moved into the first shipment?
90% of my Mantic KS order is going to be from the Forgefather starter and booster, and I was wondering if they are coming any sooner than Q2 2014, on which case I would bump them up on my order priority to be on my first shipment survey, rather than the second.
Also, I'm confused as to what's going on with the hard plastic kits. They looks to contain models from both the starters and the boosters, so how is that going to affect ordering models from each set? For instance, all the Forgefather exo-armor troops are going to hard plastic, and they mention the missile launcher in the set, though it's a booster figure.
After the exciting news of hard plastic Enforcers, Forge Fathers Forge Guard and Asterian Cyphers, we’ve got the first renders of the Goblin Stuntbot - check it out below:
Let us know what you think in the comments!
You know, I still don't quite understand what's going on with the plastic sprues. I ordered tons of Enforcer add-ons and some single poses, and I'm not sure what i'm getting anymore.
Aside from very obvious differences in how the legs support it, the way the arms look and are armed, and the look of the torso, you are correct, it IS a sci-fi battlesuit!
Hey guys - the hatch is removeable and there is a goblin pilot sculpted into the torso, just like on the concept art It's identical to the concept art - in fact, it's sculpted BY the guy who did the concept art!
They probably should have included him in the picture, but, there you go!
I kinda like it. And yeah, I would like clarification on the plastic sprue thing as I'm going to dive in head first on the second survey for quite a bit.
Going by the latest mantic blog post, it looks like Mars Attacks KS will be November.
It'll be interesting to see how it does, obviously topps will have their big marketing campaign in 2014 when they release the new cards, but I'm not sure how much weight the IP will hold for KS backers in late 2013.. especially for those who have already gone in for deadzone/warpath and just want to see stuff for that getting made. At a guess I'd possibly say it'll be similar to Loka in terms of interest levels unless I'm out of touch and the IP is a really big deal in the US.
I went for Loka just because a unique chess set sounds like something I would like to have. I have no personal interest in Mars Attacks, and will be skipping that KS. First one I skip since Mantic started doing them. I'll watch it though, and see how it does. My coffers need to refill for Warpath though....gonna be a lot of purchases there...can already feel my wallet packing it's bags to run for the hills.
Didn't that Goblin Stunt Mech have an exposed operator in the concept art? I have to say, I much prefer having it closed up. Hell, that render actually makes me interested in getting one when before, I had absolutely zero interest. Good job, Mantic. I may just get one on round 2.
Barzam wrote: Didn't that Goblin Stunt Mech have an exposed operator in the concept art? I have to say, I much prefer having it closed up. Hell, that render actually makes me interested in getting one when before, I had absolutely zero interest. Good job, Mantic. I may just get one on round 2.
it still has the goblin in it, it just has the option of a hatch also apparenlty
Hey guys - the hatch is removeable and there is a goblin pilot sculpted into the torso, just like on the concept art It's identical to the concept art - in fact, it's sculpted BY the guy who did the concept art!
They probably should have included him in the picture, but, there you go!
^ Yeah, that is very nice indeed. No risk of anything getting lost in translation there. Really like the look of that stunt-bot too, one of the few marauder minis that looks like it'll be excellent.. can see a lot of people grabbing them as killa kan replacements.
Also, it looks like Mantic will be previewing a *lot* of stuff at GenCon on the 15th of August (mars attacks minis and lots and lots of deadzone stuff)... take a camera if you're going!
Ronnie and Stew are in China at the moment, personally managing the production line on the last parts of the KoWKS... looks like they're pretty keen not to have more deadlines slip there.
Finally, the Dreadball multiplayer board will look something like this:
.. and will be made from the same rubber mousemat material as the deadzone mat. There will be MDF and acrylic versions available too.
I hope Ronnie can finally convince the factory in China not to keep turning the injection moulding machines speed up to 11
They ended up with major mould line issues on some Dreadball wave 1 figures because of this
we were promised they would deal with it
Dreadball wave 2 figures had similar problems (though less numerous based on what forums were saying)
again they said they'd deal with it (I think they said they'd have a member of staff there to keep an eye on things this time)
and now (form what's just come up in the fantasy thread) the Dwarf Brok riders re again suffering with blurred detail from opening the moulds before the plastic is fully set
^ I hope they brought a load of plastic clippers with them in their luggage too, no matter how hard it was to get it past airport security.
@judgedoug: Not sure, but more minis is likely to be the way that things are handled.
E.g. $5 single enforcer with incinerator bought as an add-on is highly likely to be replaced with a sprue of 5 models (one of which can be built with the incinerator), that sort of thing.
Just to make any one who doesn't know aware... Jake will putting up the next version of the beta rules tomorrow (read:08/08/13) excluding any minor hiccups that prevent him from doing so.
They can be found here as soon as he posts them: www.quirkworthy.com
Hey guys - the hatch is removeable and there is a goblin pilot sculpted into the torso, just like on the concept art It's identical to the concept art - in fact, it's sculpted BY the guy who did the concept art!
They probably should have included him in the picture, but, there you go!
Nah, the sexist industry standard is to include pictures of painters/sculptors only if she's an attractive woman. The stuntbot does look nice though.
Some Mars Attacks concept art of "Buddi and Brandi".. Heath is definitely the right concept artist for that range, his cartoony style just fits:
"Is that a revolver in your pants or are you just pleased to see me?"
And something which should be welcome news to a lot of people on here:
Mantic wrote:Moving forward, because we’re using more and more art for Kickstarters, we’ll be posing the concept art in the pose we want the sculptor to use, as you can see in this piece here:
Hopefully the nipples stay on the final sculpt too, the Mars Attacks IP isn't just extreme violence, it also has a long history of bizzare fetish/ sex cards and art, often mixed with gore... a lot of which got banned during the original run, but then returned in an even more extreme version in later editions. Pretty much every female sculpt should be cheesecake of some variety.
Definitely a Mars Attacks KS coming soon, they'll probably reveal it at Gencon like they did with Dreadball last year. I haven't decided whether to back it yet... I think I might but only if it's relatively small and fun, certainly don't want to be doing huge games with it.
Hopefully the nipples stay on the final sculpt too, the Mars Attacks IP isn't just extreme violence, it also has a long history of bizzare fetish/ sex cards and art, often mixed with gore... a lot of which got banned during the original run, but then returned in an even more extreme version in later editions. Pretty much every female sculpt should be cheesecake of some variety.
Wow. That's just... Wow.
It's a good thing there's finally a miniature manufacturer brave enough to do cheesecake.
At this point, I think I honestly hope Mantic crashes and burns on a project. Hard.
Not liking the Mars Attacks! concepts at all. I was hoping they'd do the 1950's/1960's cheesy military style from the cards, and not just Zombicide-with-Martians.
All Quiet on the Martian Front will remain my Mars game unless Mantic does something awesome. And the Martian Front minis look _spectacular_; they had them all set up on display at Historicon and they just blew me away.
I hope Mantic doesn't crash and burn, as I'd like them to continue to find success. But I feel they won't find much success with this.
I'm mainly more interested in what the dizzle is going on with the hard plastic Deadzone/Warpath sprues they announced. More info? Pics? Anything?
That concept art is not what I expected from Mars Attacks! Not a huge deal breaker, but a bit disappointing.
I love the cards. Love the over the top EVERYTHING they threw into them.
The new cards seem to carry on that tradition and even seem to retain that late 50s/ early 60s vibe. That art seems a bit more modern.
However the Dinosaurs Attack! cards were just as bad as Mars Attacks, if not worse. Herbivores eating people, stepping on people, carnivores pulling people apart, dinosaurs getting mauled... they were BAD.
I hope hope HOPE we see a small dinosaur expansion. Maybe then I wouldn't have to go spend a 100 bucks on a GW carnosaur if Mantic could give me a cheap proxy.
At the very least we should get some fun giant bugs, mutants, and hopefully some of the various types of Martian troopers.
I also hope we see Deadzone style buidlings included.
Maybe best of both worlds- give the Martians Deadzone stats and let them duke it out with the Plague!
I assume they'll have something up for this at Gen Con. I know Dreadball will be getting played, but will they be showing off anything Deadzone related?
@judgedoug: Not sure, but more minis is likely to be the way that things are handled.
E.g. $5 single enforcer with incinerator bought as an add-on is highly likely to be replaced with a sprue of 5 models (one of which can be built with the incinerator), that sort of thing.
Unfortunately, their average quality control and sub-par communication around showing sculpts and what's going on with models and sprues stops me from trusting them anymore. At least with money-up-front things like Kickstarter. Things like the troll-concept-bait-and-switch and Remy-Warpath-oh-not-anymore thing also don't help.
I'd agree somewhat with Azazelx but the Enforcers are all CAD models, so pretty much what they look like is what we'll get (which is why I pledged heavily... like platoons worth of them). Their computer designed Basiliean characters turned out fantastically, so I'm pretty confident the plastic Enforcers will, too.
All hands on deck
Update #105 · Aug 9, 2013 · 6 comments
Ronnie and Stewart have returned from their China travels and they’ve come bearing goodies…
No, not food and pink drinks – we’re talking this lot!
We've got three massive bags full of scenery tiles!
Yep, that there is the first batch of scenery tiles and we've also got big ol’ pile of connector sprues. The details are super sharp, but there’s still more to be done.
What’s happening with this lot? Well, it’ll get photographed properly, assembled, painted and then photographed for the box. We’ve also got the counters and cards to get off to the printers, so it’s all hands on deck(!). Good job we’re hiring a studio painter! And if that’s not enough, here's a sneaky peak at the Work In Progress Enforcer Peacekeepers!
The sprues are looking great, as is the peacekeeper armour.
I like how the shoulders are lowered, seems reasonable that a bulked-out human could fit inside. It's good to have the 3d view available to get a proper idea of the proportions, which seem to be done quite well. Happy to have lots of those minis incoming!
Not sure on what looks to be a retractable wolverine claw though.
The terrain should paint up really nicely, not too much detail, just some stuff like panel lines that will look great after a quick ink wash.
scarletsquig wrote: The sprues are looking great, as is the peacekeeper armour.
I like how the shoulders are lowered, seems reasonable that a bulked-out human could fit inside. It's good to have the 3d view available to get a proper idea of the proportions, which seem to be done quite well. Happy to have lots of those minis incoming!
Not sure on what looks to be a retractable wolverine claw though.
The terrain should paint up really nicely, not too much detail, just some stuff like panel lines that will look great after a quick ink wash.
Isn't that a power glove?
Also, if you could pass this along Squig (since they might actually listen to you): Please, please, please make the shoulder pads a separate piece. It would increase their posability immensely and might help increase their sales as well (since lots of Marine players use chapter specific pads).
My only other critique at this stage is that the arms sit too far off of the body at the shoulder, but that may be setup that way to make it easier to part out for the sprues.
Terrain looks decent. No complaints there.
~Eric
Edit:
Pouches should sit on top of the armor, and not merge poorly into it. This is an issue on their regular Enforcer renders as well. Wish they would consider making hem separate pieces.
Also, if you could pass this along Squig (since they might actually listen to you): Please, please, please make the shoulder pads a separate piece. It would increase their posability immensely and might help increase their sales as well (since lots of Marine players use chapter specific pads).
Seconding this. I think it would really help their appeal as a Marine alternative, and while weapons are molded into the hand instead of being separate, having several hand options that are open enough to allow conversion weapons to be used instead would also massively help their appeal (For WYSIWYG weapon selection with GW weapons)
Not sure on what looks to be a retractable wolverine claw though.
I don't think he has the claw/spike things that Howlett had. Rather, it looks like he has a flip down knuckle cover. It's a neat idea that you don't see used too often. Only other place I can recall seeing it used was in an anime called Blue Comet Layzner.
I quite like how this guy is turning out. He doesn't look like he's just a reused commander Enforcer, but an entirely new design based on the commander's armor. I also like the little Terminator styled touches on it, like the double barreled rifle, that big powerpack thing over the head, and the power fist. From this alone, these guys look like they're going to be great. I think I may actually add a second set once round 2 of the pledge manager comes around.
Also, if you could pass this along Squig (since they might actually listen to you)
I don't have any preferential treatment as far as feedback goes (which is as it should be, every customer's opinion is of equal value).. so you'd be best off letting them know yourself on the kickstarter page... if you comment in the comments section of the update itself, that tends to be the place that they do always read and often respond in. Or you can send them a message. They're really easy to get in touch with.
Agree that the peacekeepers might be finding their way into a lot of marine armies... quite possibly as a replacement for the especially fugly new centurion models, replace the head with a marine helmet and you're good to go.
I've taken some stills from the video to make it easier to see, really does look pretty badass already, even before the posing has been done:
I know im late and all but can someone post, or PM me the release date of that marauder captian model im drooling over it and im not sifting through 33 pages to find soo please if you could?
Also, if you could pass this along Squig (since they might actually listen to you)
I don't have any preferential treatment as far as feedback goes (which is as it should be, every customer's opinion is of equal value).. so you'd be best off letting them know yourself on the kickstarter page... if you comment in the comments section of the update itself, that tends to be the place that they do always read and often respond in. Or you can send them a message. They're really easy to get in touch with.
Agree that the peacekeepers might be finding their way into a lot of marine armies... quite possibly as a replacement for the especially fugly new centurion models, replace the head with a marine helmet and you're good to go.
I've taken some stills from the video to make it easier to see, really does look pretty badass already, even before the posing has been done:
I haven't had my invoice yet for extra bits I added in the survey, but my friend has - Does anyone know if they are still working through them, or do I need to contact Mantic?
DaveC wrote: Just got my invoice about a minute ago so they are definitely still working on them.
You received your invoice for the pledge manager add-ons?
I just checked - nothing yet...
I am curious to see just how much I have left to pay!
Yep and they even calculated it by the cheapest option not the most convenient for them - I ordered 25 Battlezones (yes really ) and the easiest way for them to charge is 12 + 12 + 1 but this is $5 more expensive than 8 + 8 + 8 + 1 but they have taken that into account and charged $5 less - I wasn't going to argue over $5 either way.
Dreadball Season 3 KS surveys are issuing just got mine - that's another $76 gone got the new MVPs and Acrylic upgrade pack.
Ultimate Pitches as follows
DreadBall Ultimate Pitch + Ultimate Card Deck - $20
Creaseless high quality rubber/mouse mat material 2’x2’ gaming pitch that folds away for easy storage PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Counter Set.
DreadBall Acrylic Co-prosperity Park Ultimate Pitch + Ultimate Card Deck - $130
The ultimate acrylic pitch! Contains 3 Acrylic Pitch Sections, Centre-Section upgrade kit, rush track, score track, strike zones, subs bench and sin bin PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Acrylic Counter Set.
DreadBall Acrylic Co-prosperity Park Ultimate Upgrade Kit (Arm + Centre-section) + Ultimate Card Deck - $50
If you already own the Co-Prosperity Park premium pitch, use this kit to add a third arm and the centre-section to connect them together PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Acrylic Counter Set.
DreadBall Acrylic Co-prosperity Park Ultimate Upgrade Kit (Centre-section) + Ultimate Card Deck - $20
If you already have 3 acrylic half-sections you can use this kit to connect them together to transform them into an Ultimate Pitch PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Acrylic Counter Set.
DreadBall MDF Quadrant Zero Stadium Ultimate Pitch + Ultimate Card Deck - $40
The ultimate MDF pitch! Contains 3 MDF Pitch Sections, Centre-Section upgrade kit, rush track, score track, strike zones, subs bench and sin bin PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Counter Set.
DreadBall MDF Quadrant Zero Stadium Ultimate Upgrade Kit (Centre-section) + Ultimate Card Deck - $12
If you already have 3 MDF half-sections you can use this kit to connect them together to transform them into an Ultimate Pitch PLUS DreadBall Ultimate Card Deck and Counter Set.
and there's 3 limited edition backer MVPs as well ($4000 and $5000 levels)
Drake: Backer MVP (Limited Edition MVP) – $10
James "The Vet" Syler: Backer MVP (Limited Edition MVP) – $8
Chris Nord: Backer MVP (Limited Edition MVP) - $8
One other thing I missed is that Dozer is now classified as a Giant (3 Hex base) still $10 so it looks like Drake could fall into that category as well.
1) Dozer, Gabe, The Praetorian, Drake, Syler and Nord are the MVP's which are NOT part of Striker and so will need to be added separately, correct?
2) Blaine will be added as a free gift / teaser for the future Dreadball XTreme to striker (and jack?), correct?
3) What colour is the strike zone sections going to be for the "DreadBall Acrylic Co-prosperity Park Ultimate Upgrade Kit (Arm + Centre-section) + Ultimate Card Deck - $50"
4) There doesn't seem to be options this go round to add in your own 'custom' colours for the acrylic pitches?
5) Just confirming. Dozer = Teraton. Simian = Zees. Barricade = Robots. Spawn = Nameless. Big Mech = Sirens/Trontek?
6) There is no 4th delivery? We'll get all of the 'alternative' sculpts this time round. EG, all 16 players at once for the Season 3 Complete Your Teams Pack.
7) Currently, the survey will not let you add in extra sets of prone markers, despite them not being released yet. Is this right? - I really could use a lot more, having some experience of the game now.
Just out of curiosity, how many prone markers would you say is good enough most of the time? I've not had a chance to do much more than scrimmage against myself, so I'd appreciate the insight. Not that the markers are a must-have, but it'd be something to think about adding for me.
Also, if you could pass this along Squig (since they might actually listen to you)
I don't have any preferential treatment as far as feedback goes (which is as it should be, every customer's opinion is of equal value).. so you'd be best off letting them know yourself on the kickstarter page... if you comment in the comments section of the update itself, that tends to be the place that they do always read and often respond in. Or you can send them a message. They're really easy to get in touch with.
Agree that the peacekeepers might be finding their way into a lot of marine armies... quite possibly as a replacement for the especially fugly new centurion models, replace the head with a marine helmet and you're good to go.
OK I just posted in the comments asking them to have the shoulderpads as a separate piece. Now you guys get on there and back me up!
I've been thinking about adding some sort of power armour wearing element to my sci-fi humans. Space Marines won't do as they are both too cartoony and ridiculously small.
A local guy got the enforcers when they first came out and they aren't quite big enough for my purposes. And the hybrid kit assembly and fitting issues the guy had made me wary of ordering some for myself.
I didn't really like the cape the one miniature had. It looked silly and out of place. Though the Enforcer captain metal miniature is very, very nice.
It's all coming together...
Update #106 · Aug 14, 2013 · 19 comments
Following Ronnie and Stew's triumphant return from China last week, we've been busy! Samples were sent to painters without a moment's hesitation, and guess what just arrived at the office?
Our new in-house hobby maestro Dave got given all the terrain tiles and accessories that you'll get in the basic Deadzone box, and was told to work some magic. This is what he came up with. (He hasn't even started yet - blimey, he's keen!) As you can see, this is more than enough to play a game of Deadzone - plenty of cover, plenty of stuff breaking up line of sight, but still lots of room to reach in and move your models.
If you look closely, you might see that the terrain's not the only thing we've recently received... but more on that next time! Gen Con Indy 2013
In other news, Ronnie and Chris are on their way to Indianapolis to man the Mantic stand at Gen Con. If you're going, swing by Stand # 1237 where you'll be able to chat to the guys, get your hands on a load of Mantic models, and see some unpainted plastic Deadzone terrain tiles up close! We'll also be showing off a preview of a new project we're working on - check this blog post to find out how you can get involved and win a prize if you're going...
Anyway, let us know what you think of the picture above in the comments section!
Also:
Creator Mantic Games 37 minutes ago
Hey guys To clarify, this is what will be in the box when it hits the shelves as a trade product. Strike Team gets a LOT more than this!
That looks great! That's probably two factions + two battlezones? Glad I went in for a lot more terrain though, not to mention more mats for a larger board. The blue terrain doesn't look very good though, much prefer the grey scheme.
Do people have to modify their surveys for Season 3? I piggybacked on someone's pledge for Dreadball, but don't want to bug them if the surveys remain set from before (they selected a Season 3 team for me and I paid them for it back when the campaign originally ended).
Yonan wrote: That looks great! That's probably two factions + two battlezones? Glad I went in for a lot more terrain though, not to mention more mats for a larger board. The blue terrain doesn't look very good though, much prefer the grey scheme.
It's the planned retail box, which looks like the Enforcer and Plague starters minus the KS stretch bonuses, 1 core battlezone, 1 accessory sprue, 1 mat, and all the cards, dice, rules, etc
That looks to be about 1 Core Worlds battlezone + 1 accessory sprue in the pic, so half of what Strike Team gets? And I sprung for 8 extra battlezones anyway
If you look closely, you might see that the terrain's not the only thing we've recently received... but more on that next time!
At first my eyes were immediately drawn to the sprue, but that's just an elf bowman sprue.
Edit: Ah, it's the alt-sculpt 2nd Gens.
Also, I really like how the terrain clips together, the clips are designed to be internal and pretty much invisible, or at least not to the extent that the clips are on stuff like the hexagon terrain.
Table coverage is really good considering how that's only one battlezone of terrain. 2 will definitely be needed to build realistic buildings though (which you really need if you want to use the terrain for other systems), so Strike Team will be able to do that.
Oh only one battlezone + 1 accessory? That's better then, the terrain looked a little sparse for how I envision playing which is anything from highrise buildings with 5+ levels to ship/building interiors, hence springing for 14 battlezones all up hehe.
Also, I really like how the terrain clips together
It's great innit, and a big part of why I went in deep for this KS and chose it over other terrain offerings.
So I went and listened to the latest Mantic Podcast (from June, apparently) and was pleasantly surprised that at the time of the podcast Dreadball had three quarters of sales to trade accounts to independent retailers. It's really impressive when you think about it. If the same thing happens for Deadzone, that'll be a huge amount of miniatures sent all over the world, well over and above the Kickstarter.
Topps posted a screen grab of a martian from some presentation... I want to know where my giant bugs and robots are! Are we going to see Deadzone compatible scenery?
Would it be too much to hope that Martians get Deadzone stats at some point down the line?
I also want to see that new kid MVP's dinosaur get repurposed like the mech suit was. Maybe the Rebs could slap some guns all over it?
Alpharius wrote: Didn't Gen Con just start today, about 3 hours ago?
But in the internet age I demand instant news and gratification!
Where's the unwashed mobs with their smartphones ready to snap a bajillion pictures to plaster the internets with?
I'm sure we'll hear something by the end of the weekend. Maybe it's the jealousy of those attending while I'm stuck at a two week seminar for teacher "re-education" as we switch from state to national standards, and have to be told how to do my job by someone who didn't cut it in the classroom in the first place.
Mantic answered a bunch of questions on their forums.
Morning all!
Tim from Mantic Games here. I am currently answering all the emails regarding the DB KS campaign (and there are a lot of them!), if you have emailed me rest assured I will get round to answering your email. By the end of the weekend I hope!
I'll address a few of the questions here that have been raised. Feel free to send people here and i'll do my best to answer them. There are a few I need to run past higher powers and will provide these answers on Monday.
1) Dozer, Gabe, The Praetorian, Drake, Syler and Nord are the MVP's which are NOT part of Striker and so will need to be added separately, correct? Correct. These are not included in Striker
2) Blaine will be added as a free gift / teaser for the future Dreadball XTreme to striker (and jack?), correct? Yep, as announced in Update 88
3) What colour is the strike zone sections going to be for the "DreadBall Acrylic Co-prosperity Park Ultimate Upgrade Kit (Arm + Centre-section) + Ultimate Card Deck - $50"? I will confirm this on Monday
4) There doesn't seem to be options this go round to add in your own 'custom' colours for the acrylic pitches now? Based on previous surveys the update on custom acrylic has been low so it hasn't been offered this time.
5) Just confirming. Dozer = Teraton. Simian = Zees. Barricade = Robots. Spawn = Nameless. Big Mech = Sirens/Trontek? All Giants can play for any team (Dozer although being the Teraton MVP is classed as a Giant... she turned out to be one chunky lass!)
6) There is no 4th delivery? We'll get all of the 'alternative' sculpts this time round. EG, all 16 players at once for the Season 3 Complete Your Teams Pack.
Correct. Delivery 3 (end of September/begining of October) is the final shipment for the DB KS Campaign.
We already have the season 1 alternative sculpts in the Warehouse and currently waiting on season 2&3 from the manufacturers.
The season three teams will be delivered along side the upgrades
7) Currently, the survey will not let you add in extra sets of prone markers, despite them not being released yet? - I really could use a lot more, having some experience of the game now.
The prone markers are part of the Upgrade packs, I will check if we can still offer these individually and get back to you.
The Praetorian is bigger than I thought and I can see why Dozer ended up as a Giant as well. Hope they released some multihex bases for the large pieces.
I'm glad I ordered a second Mech looks great (took the first as my free Choice)
The crab is NOT the multihex beastie. That's much bigger.
Finally, as they've been unveiled:
I scratch built the helmet on this, as the prototypes were not cast in clear resin. Do not take it as 'final' or in any way as official for shape, it's just to get a feel for the bubble helmet.
After leaving that mind- numbing inservice with a brain- splitting migraine, it's nice for something to go right today.
It's quite sad that the first thing my eyes were drawn to on the Martian were how long his legs were.
Really seems to capture the original Martians' designs (not that they've changed much since). I wonder if we'll get a robed one making the international sign of the doughnut?
But seriously, Mantic HAS to release a set of Deadzone rules for these guys... maybe even Warpath if there's enough of them to field. I guess we could always just do a "counts- as" and replace someone else with them.
Is it just me, or do pretty much all the dreadball figures just need some shoulder mounted cannons (like predator) to be awesome miniatures for the battlefield? Or is that asterian with a glowing palm a deadzone or warpath miniature? I love the idea of palm blasters.
The Martian looks good. Especially for its size. I'm going to assume he was digitally sculpted and that's why he looks so nice. He does seem to convey the feel of the old Topps cards. But, I don't care about just one figure. Are we going to see some others from the line? I'm really curious to see what the human opposition is going to look like.
I'm also pleased with how the Asterian Cypher looks. Makes me glad I'm going heavy on those for Deadzone. Those panel lines are going to make it much easier to give them a proper Tron paintjob.
I didn't realize at first how tall the cypher is. That's really impressive. I thought it was only human sized, but it doesn't look that way next to everything else in that case.
I never even realized that Gabe was supposed to be the character from Penny Arcade. I hadn't noticed the Pac-Man logo on his chest either. It all kind of makes sense now though.
Here's my own pic of the mech... looks fantastic! Standing next to some Terataons
My pic of the Nameless didn't really come out, but they looked great. They didn't have the giant / mech equivalent one in the case, though, so I missed seeing it.
Note that the martian was also in the case, and is Really small... just to keep in mind.
Thanks for the new picture. That mech does look amazing. If it ends up being anything like the cost of the Iron Ancestor, I'll probably get more than one. I've been amping up my sci-fi gaming (using a variety of rules sets include Warpath, Bolt Action, Aetherverse, No Limits, Fast & Dirty 4, Chain Reaction 3.0, Gruntz and others) and those mech will be perfect. I think I'll give them a shoulder mounted rocket pod and a under-arm gun of some sort. Like these Paulson ones:
^ Thanks for that. I picked up another large Warpath army for £46.
I've been going a bit nuts with the discount buys lately (bought undead and orc armies last week, despite having hundreds of KS basilieans in the mail), but Mantic is priced so low that when you see a big sale on it and the price goes well below $1 per mini (or, sometimes $1 for 2 minis with the deals I've been getting lately), it becomes a no-brainer.
The Dreamforge stock is cheaper than it was during the kickstarter.
Summer is definitely the time to buy all this stuff, more people are outside etc. rather than doing "indoor" stuff like wargaming so naturally all the sales for the industry pop up in the summer.
EDIT: New Dreadball stuff!
They're all wonderful, I especially like Barricade.
I absolutely love the strider/mech. That thing is so awesome. As is the robot trike. And the terraton. They're all asking to have weapons put on them (underarm, shoulder mounted, etc.,).
looks like another retailer with a post KS hangover..
Not sure whether I should be thanking you or not rosafari.. despite the miniatures I have waiting to make/paint (which would reach a mile long if you placed each side by side) have just bought myself a new Imperial Guard/Corporation army.. *sigh*
Mutations
Update #107 · Aug 23, 2013 · 12 comments
So, how goes it in the land of Deadzone?
Well, we’ve got our resident photographer working overtime to get all of the Deadzone miniatures and buildings photographed so that we can finish off the box, cards and counters.
Speaking of which, here are a couple of the designs:
These are just some of the counters - there’s over 130(!) in Deadzone!
Once all of the photography is done and processed, we’ll be showing off the finished models over the next couple of weeks whilst keeping you updated with all of the latest sculpts. We’ve taken the feedback on board regarding the Peacekeepers and have made some alterations and we can’t wait to show you those!
Messages
Just a heads up really on this one - we’re a little swamped with messages at the moment and will answer your queries as soon as we can
Thanks for your patience!
Invoices
Please note that not all invoices have been sent out yet – with over 4000 of them to process and manually send out, it takes us a fair bit of time.
We’ll let you know via the updates once we’ve sent them all out - until then please do not message us asking where your invoice is, thanks
I think it might be newsworthy that Jake Thornton has been posting updated playtest versions of the various faction decks - the last of which was the Rebels deck (including faction missions) -
The others were published on Aug 12th and 13th as well.
Maybe links to those updates should be a regular feature in this thread, too. I've found reading the discussion thread on Kickstarter to be a serious chore...
Keeping the Peace
Update #108 · Aug 30, 2013 · 27 comments
A couple of weeks ago we showed off the Work In Progress Peacekeeper models. Well, we’ve taken your feedback into account, and here we are with round 2!
Before we begin, please bear in mind that these are still Work in Progress and not all of the options may make it onto the sprue – that depends on space. However, if you’ve got your favourites let us know, and if there are any cool gubbinz or extras you‘d like to see on the sprue, please leave your suggestions in the comments.
As we said previously, everything we're showing here is Work In Progress and not all of the components may go on the sprue. We're particularly keen to know what people think about the Charge Maul, and what fun extras you'd like to see with the kit!
And with the equipment options, they're pretty clearly going for the throat of the terminator kit.
One thing I really like is how the power fist hand isn't excluded from gripping the weapon held in the other hand if you want, it allows them to have more natural posing.
The maces may not be great, but I'd be happy if they just changed the heads of them to hammers. Hammers, wolverine claws, missile pods, energy fists, shields, rotor cannons, and heavy weapons...I'm good with that!
Why a singular blade? Not being argumentative, just curious. Sgt Howlett/Howler (Wolvie) has the 3-claws, so maybe the Peacekeepers with claws will be hitting fluff as his elite warrior bodyguards. Singular blade works, don't get me wrong. But I like the triple claws too, especially with their nod to Marvel in the process. Mantic strikes me as a Borderlands style tabletop game company, in the explicit sense that they make references and pokes at pop culture (splinter, rip torn, Cthulhu, wolverine, etc etc). I think it's a strong foot to stand on, as it pulls in more people with a minimal risk of potentially pushing people away. I expect those peacekeepers to sell by the droves.
What? Why is that an issue? These aren't Space Marines where you have different chapters with different insignias? What on earth is the problem with integrated?
and having separate pads would make conversions much easier
(and a separate pad also makes the figure more pose-able, if its fixed on the arm you're restricted at what angle the arm can be put)
Emphasis mine.
As noted previously, the separate shoulder pads would have made cross sales easier. But for me the above bolded, underlined, and italicized bit is the real issue.
I like em, I think i could do a little better organizing the parts to find room for 5 pair of shoulder pads on there. I agree that the maces should be made into electro batons or some other weapon.
The renders do look good, but after seeing the Basileans' journey to their final form in hard plastic, I am no longer optimistic about these. It doesn't seem to matter what the concept art or renders look like because there's no consistency in the final product.
Hmm. While I don't mind the maces, they aren't my first choice for melee weapons for these guys. I'd rather have arm mounted pile driver units. That would be way more badass.
I like everything I see, overall. I think I see what look like 3 helmet options. It looks like the standard one they're all pictured with, one looks like it has a comms antennae on the side of it. I hope that one also has an external targeter mounted over the eye. The thid looks like it might be an open helmet kind of like the one the Enforcer Captain has. I'm fine with that. I imagine there'll probably be x5 standard helmets and x1 with targeter and x1 open.
Things I question: why are there a pair of empty right hands? I don't see the purpose to that as there aren't any left hands weilding weapons other than the Plasma Fist and the claws. I also don't like how small the ammo clip is for the rifle. Way too small, but that's easily fixed with a little help from Anvil Industries.
Things I'd like to add: pile drivers, mountable to either arm. A reinforced helmet for the shield guy, kind of like the one the regular Enforcers with shields have. A missile launcher of some sort, either hand held or mounted. A heavy pistol. They've got the left arm with the single blade, they need the pistol to go with it.
Honestly, while I'm not a huge fan of the mace designs, I want them to stay in as I think they'll convert easily into shock mauls.
These guys would look pretty badass holding that reinforced shield and shock mauls ready to go out and MAKE some peace.
Yeah, I'll agree, the maces just feel out of place on them. Some kind of fist-mounted hydraulic-press would be interesting.
The maces look too Forge Father-esqe to me. I could also see doing them as studded batons reminiscent of police batons. But given the style of the rest of the unit, maces feel off.
Other that that, they look fething amazing, I love the basic power glove (and that they are actually holding their guns). Definitely going in for a swack of these on the second survey if they are an option.
I'd like more police style batons than maces as well.
I know I'll be going in for a second squad at least come round two (we'll be using them more for boardgaming than open warfare in my house).
I was surprised that my son liked them- he HATES human figures worse than me, and he was actually interested in having some to play with. Of course he said the Tyranids would eat them and our reptilian armies would finish them off, but that's the first time I've ever heard him impressed by a human soldier. Huh.
The first season of DreadBall brought the Galaxy’s Greatest Sport to your tabletop and a host of characterful MVPs and Teams to your painting stations. Along came Season 2, introducing new players, new rules, coaching staff and cheerleaders to the fray.
Now, it’s the turn of DreadBall Season 3 – and things are getting big!
5 Giants
DreadBall Season 3 introduces massive tri-hex miniatures called GIANTS. Bought like MVPs, Giants count as two models rather than one and stomp around the battlefield creating mayhem and devastation wherever they tread/stomp/roll.
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4 Teams
Four new teams take to the pitch with Season 3: The Nameless, Asterians, Zees and the mighty Teratons. This takes the total number of teams up to twelve, each characterful and different in their own right.
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3 MVPs
Rounding out the new entries in the Season 3 book are Mellisandra, Riller and The Praetorian – brand new characterful additions for your team, each with unique abilities and a detailed backstory.
1 DreadBall Ultimate
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Getting ready for Ultimate is easy with the DreadBall Ultimate boxed set which contains a durable, non-slip rubber Ultimate Arena gaming mat, a deck of 54 Ultimate Cards, Ultimate Counters, Season 3 Rulebook and four DreadBall Giants - that’s the Big Mech, Barricade, Nameless Spawn and Alpha Simian – and yes, if you add up the contents of this set it equates to pretty much half price, so there’s no reason not to pick it up!
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Over the coming days and weeks we’re going to be covering Season 3 in-depth on the blog with a detailed look at all the new models, new rules and the simply bonkers DreadBall Ultimate. Stay tuned!
Dreadball is turning out great. Have been waiting for the decals to be restocked. May as well order all of season 3 while I get my $3 worth of decals ; p
plastictrees wrote: Also, why does everything in this thread look so good, and so much in the Kings of War thread look terrible?
I find myself wondering the exact same thing every time I open the KoW thread. I really have not seen any fantasy models from Mantic outside of the skeletons (which have been out forever) I'd be even remotely interested in, yet I've overall been very happy with what I've gotten from Dreadball. Even in DeadZone the only models that I really haven't liked are the Marauders and the rocket-girl holding the launcher weirdly. Everything else I've seen from DZ I've liked and of the two waves of Dreadball the only team I was a bit put-out with was the Robots due to some excessive flash; not enough to be actually mad about, but disappointed at the amount of work to clean up what QA should have caught.
The only team out of all the ones I've seen that I didn't think "neat!" about was the Asterians. They don't seem quite distinct enough from humans in the photos I've seen, but maybe in the flesh they'll be better.
It's really odd that they can make sci-fi stuff that I want, yet whiff on almost every single fantasy model they make.
I really have not seen any fantasy models from Mantic outside of the skeletons
Give the orcs another look, they are some seriously great models. I collect both orcs and undead, and they're easily Mantic's best fantasy ranges on all measures, certainly the only ones that can be considered serious competition for GW.
Goblins aren't quite as bad as you might expect either, the bodies are rather nice, and with the hybrid kits, the rest of the mini is metal and doesn't have the issues that the archers do (the hybrid metals cost the same as the plastics, too).
There is the option to buy the metal goblins for £1.50/model too if you want the sculpts in proper quality.
Mantic's sci-fi is definitely looking better, but we're just looking at renders and WIPs for the most part.. all I can say from personal experience is that the Corporation and Forgefather minis (not the plastics) are all great.
Warpath isn't really all that playable at the moment due to the lack of properly-formed armies with vehicles... deadzone will help with that quite a bit but it still needs the proper high quality hard plastic and not whatever crap led to the mushy-tooled, overscaled, badly sculpted, badly overscaled men-at-arms.
The same 3d guys that did the men-at-arms also did all the deadzone stuff... they're not bad sculptors, they just fail hard at sculpting organics (faces, cloth etc). Hopefully scale issues won't rear their head again either, warpath minis are really rather slender compared to GW, even the enforcers.
I really have not seen any fantasy models from Mantic outside of the skeletons
Give the orcs another look, they are some seriously great models. I collect both orcs and undead, and they're easily Mantic's best fantasy ranges by far.
Agreed. Mantic's Orcs are my favorite Orc miniatures in the universe, by far. I'm not a fan of gorilla/ape arms and evil watermelon heads (so no GW) but I like my Orcs to have bulk (so no LOTR orcs). Mantic's are perfect for me!
I really have not seen any fantasy models from Mantic outside of the skeletons
Give the orcs another look, they are some seriously great models. I collect both orcs and undead, and they're easily Mantic's best fantasy ranges on all measures, certainly the only ones that can be considered serious competition for GW.
Goblins aren't quite as bad as you might expect either, the bodies are rather nice, and with the hybrid kits, the rest of the mini is metal and doesn't have the issues that the archers do (the hybrid metals cost the same as the plastics, too).
There is the option to buy the metal goblins for £1.50/model too if you want the sculpts in proper quality.
Mantic's sci-fi is definitely looking better, but we're just looking at renders and WIPs for the most part.. all I can say from personal experience is that the Corporation and Forgefather minis (not the plastics) are all great.
Warpath isn't really all that playable at the moment due to the lack of properly-formed armies with vehicles... deadzone will help with that quite a bit but it still needs the proper high quality hard plastic and not whatever crap led to the mushy, overscaled, badly sculpted men-at-arms.
I can agree the Orcs are at least nice-looking models, but I've never cared for Greenskins of any kind so they're still not interesting to me. In a collection of over 4,000 models across a variety of manufacturers and ranges the only Greenskins I have are the ones that came with Assault on Black Reach, a box of Night Goblins and the DreadBall Marauders. I also have a few goblins and Uruk-hai from LotR but I wouldn't count them as "Greenskins" per se. When DeadZone arrives with the 40 or so Marauders I'm getting, that will be the largest Greenskin force I'll have owned in nearly 25 years of being in the hobby.
If I were to decide to do a Greenskin army, Mantics Orcs would certainly be the ones I'd go with, but I'm not starting one so it's somewhat moot.
plastictrees wrote: Also, why does everything in this thread look so good, and so much in the Kings of War thread look terrible?
I find myself wondering the exact same thing every time I open the KoW thread. I really have not seen any fantasy models from Mantic outside of the skeletons (which have been out forever) I'd be even remotely interested in
Not sure whether it is still true, but I heard that the Mantic Zombies were responsible for 40% of the company's sales at one point. You can't imagine the Skeletons being that far behind - certainly, I don't think I've seen a WFB Vampire army in it recently that didn't have these unit fillers in there somewhere.
That being said I really like the Orx.. got boxes of the things waiting to make into an army if I ever get round to it. Certainly there is a lot of potential there, I hope Mantic can turn the KoW Kickstarter around and towards some of the more positive examples that they are undoubtedly capable of producing.
^That's entirely possible, although keep in mind that would have been ages ago, when the only products in Mantic's line were elves, dwarves and undead.
The Corporation and Forgefathers sell rather nicely for Warpath, whether people are buying them for that game is another matter entirely.
I do love the Enforcers, and bought into them fairly heavily. Assuming they turn out like the painted prototypes we saw during the DeadZone campaign, they'll likely occupy a solid 3rd or 4th place on my favorite ranges list (The Grey Knights and Imperial Space Marines are hard to shift...they've had those spots forever).
I really need to get around to painting more of the DB models though. In just shy of a year's time I've sort of finished one concept model from the S1 teams and that's it. Now, I'm about to get the rest of them here in a few week's time. Um...I wanted to paint all the members of a team at the same time rather than have inconsistencies from a year of separation! Yeah, yeah...that's it...
Hello there, I notice that on the Mantic pre-orders page on the photos of the Alpha Simian there is a picture of a "different" Orc/Orx player in the background. Does anyone know if this is a new sculpt, one of the alternatives or just a conversion?
I will post a link to it if such a thing is allowed.
I'll post the rest of the Dreadball preorder pics that haven't already been posted here as well, for convenience (it'd take ages to click through all the thumbnails on the mantic site):
Nameless and Teratons are definitely the stand-out sculpts there, both look lovely (and their MVPs do too).
Thank you, that is the one. Mantic seem to like hiding little easter eggs like that on their advance order pages. Has anyone seen the Barricade and Dozer models? I like them a lot, and sure they could be put to good use in other game systems if Dreadball is not your thing. I plan to use Dozer once I get my hands on Deadzone.
We also have a prone/injured Goblin in the Painmaster Yurik photo.
You sound like my kind of guy/gal! For all the complaints I see about Mantic their larger Sci-Fi models (and also to a lesser extent their Kow ones) have all been excellent, and at a very reasonable price. The multi-hex Dreadball ones are great.
Thank you for the welcome here at the Dakka Dakka forums,
@Baragash: Mantic elves might do the trick, and the shoulderpads on the sprue mgiht be useful too, along with the dead elf as a prone counter?
@Thraxas: Welcome aboard! Keep unearthing cool stuff like this and we'll have a lot more to talk about.. it's true that mantic sometimes leaves easter eggs, but on the other hand, they're sometimes unintentional.. I was the first to figure out the name of the "8th race" (the veermyn) by photoshopping part of a document that they'd run a black marker over to reveal the text underneath.
Normally I'm not one to go in for giant apes (unlike my brother), but that Alpha Simian does look really nice. I kind of like the looks of the Zees too. Their smirking MVP reminds me of a character I've seen before though, but I can't quite put my finger on who he reminds me of.
Barzam wrote: Normally I'm not one to go in for giant apes (unlike my brother), but that Alpha Simian does look really nice. I kind of like the looks of the Zees too. Their smirking MVP reminds me of a character I've seen before though, but I can't quite put my finger on who he reminds me of.
Not quite the same, but his cockiness reminds me of the classic halfling star player from Blood Bowl - Puggy Baconbreath.
I really like the Zees though, and they weren't a concept I thought too highly about.
Really dislike the Asterians, maybe with a head swap of Nightshade MVP? Can't make my mind up about the Zees though as well as the Nameless, though I love the Teratons!
scarletsquig wrote: @Baragash: Mantic elves might do the trick, and the shoulderpads on the sprue mgiht be useful too, along with the dead elf as a prone counter?
Lol, this possibility was almost too obvious (models from the same company.... who knew ). Though it depends on the "beefiness" of the Asterians in comparison to the Elves, if the Asterians are similarly proportioned to the humans then I think the heads will be too small.
^ I think it's a pretty safe bet that they'll be tiny, pretty much all the dreadball minis are smaller than you might expect, and the bodies are about as slim as you can get.
Anyway, onwards to some Deadzone news, this is what the retail box for deadzone will look like, along with its contents:
scarletsquig wrote: ^ I think it's a pretty safe bet that they'll be tiny, pretty much all the dreadball minis are smaller than you might expect, and the bodies are about as slim as you can get.
Anyway, onwards to some Deadzone news, this is what the retail box for deadzone will look like, along with its contents:
Looks a fantastic starter set on its own Had to check back on the ks to see what exactly I was picking up in the Striker package, I got a feeling with just the first survey add-ons i'l be painting for a year at least. One thing tho, Mantic, please don't make the plastic sprues suck!
Starter set looks good! Glad got in on the KS with the better value and optional extras all in one, not to mention one proverbial gaktonne of terrain and extra mats. 4x6 boards with lots of deadzone terrain and that new set of prefab buildings coming out soon (Spartan?) will be godlike to play on imo.
Edit: Got my paypal invoice and paid. Was $25 different to the spreadsheet I saved, but it may have been a last minute "why not get a shirt while I'm at it" thing. The lack of knowing what they have me down for is not ideal. Would save a lot of future problems I imagine.
Has their sci-fi stuff had a major dud yet? So far, I think they've been pretty successful in terms of quality on the sci-fi stuff. It's just the fantasy products that are suffering.
Alpharius wrote: I know what you're saying but I think this one will be OK.
This feels kind of like their 'last chance'.
Well, for me it certainly is!
I hope so too.. I'm basing this on a lot of the Warpath and Dreadball stuff being good, the stuff we have seen of this so far, rather than some of the KoW bits and pieces people have been disappointed with so far..
Barzam wrote: Has their sci-fi stuff had a major dud yet? So far, I think they've been pretty successful in terms of quality on the sci-fi stuff. It's just the fantasy products that are suffering.
It depends on how you view their first plastics - the not-fantasy-dwarfs forgefathers and the barefoot not-fantasy-orckzx. The greenskins are okay if you like the Mantic style, but the not-squats are/were a fail that doesn't scale with their newer Forgefathers.
Barzam wrote: Has their sci-fi stuff had a major dud yet? So far, I think they've been pretty successful in terms of quality on the sci-fi stuff. It's just the fantasy products that are suffering.
It depends on how you view their first plastics - the not-fantasy-dwarfs forgefathers and the barefoot not-fantasy-orckzx. The greenskins are okay if you like the Mantic style, but the not-squats are/were a fail that doesn't scale with their newer Forgefathers.
I can't say that the re-used fantasy parts bothered me all that much. So, it wasn't a fail for me.
I'm in the minority that doesn't mind the plastic Forgefathers. I think they have a perfectly fine 2nd Edition Squat aesthetic, which seeing as I am using them as Squats, is perfectly fine.
I pledges for just the $10 download rules, especially after I say that the 2nd phase survey would have everything from the 1st phase survey. I just didn't see any of the starting factions that interested me other than the Enforcers (Marauders had me before the bad sculpts showed up), and I am in a position that requires me to have two functioning factions to get other people to play with me. I figure I can have all the rules to see if they interest me totally, and then in Q2 2014 I can get the Enforcers and the Forgefathers to go against each other.
I think the forge fathers with the face masks look awesome, but the mask really takes one's eyes away from the fantasy looking parts.
I'm looking forward to the big mech. Really impressive miniature for $20 retail. Still going to wait and see on it though until after a youtube unboxing or some more pictures "in the wild" rather than just one pro painted display model.
I think the FF have got a bit of a bum rap because they shared the KoW bits, but I've got some of the newer ones and they are nice little minis - definitely better than the old Squat models in any case
I don't mind the FF range (absolutely love the DB designed FF) but I'll wait till it's all one material as I absolutely despise Mantics Hybrid kits (had some bad experience with there enforcer hybrids).
Cool pics Pacific. I really like them in grey, though I may go for an Imperial Fists "industrial yellow" to make them drastically different than the rest of my collection.
But....that's it? There is no way a loincloth and a dagger make them look worse than the original Squats. In fact, this is the first really good rear picture I have seen of the plastic troops.
If it wasn't for having seen the fantasy models they are made from, or heard about it on the 'net, I would never have called out the "fantasy" parts when assembling the models- I would have just gone with it. It's really no more pseudo-medieval than anything else in the 40K universe.
overtyrant wrote: I don't mind the FF range (absolutely love the DB designed FF) but I'll wait till it's all one material as I absolutely despise Mantics Hybrid kits (had some bad experience with there enforcer hybrids).
I felt the same way for a while, until I tried drilling and pinning the metal parts. The metal Mantic uses is remarkably soft and easy to drill, and doing so removed pretty much any reservations I had about their hybrid kits.
Azazelx wrote: We'll have to agree to disagree on the Forgefathers, like some do with the Mantic Elves.
Dear sir, didn't you realize all opinions are objective?
Yeah, I suggested we agree to disagree because I didn't feel like potentially fighting an internet war over it.
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Pacific wrote: I think the FF have got a bit of a bum rap because they shared the KoW bits, but I've got some of the newer ones and they are nice little minis - definitely better than the old Squat models in any case
We'll have to agree to disagree there as well. I really did like the slightly rag tag, dwarf biker look of the original RT-era squats. So pissed off I sold the ones I had as part of the Imperial Guard Army I sold (which I'm also pissed about) when I was 16 or so.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Cool pics Pacific. I really like them in grey, though I may go for an Imperial Fists "industrial yellow" to make them drastically different than the rest of my collection.
But....that's it? There is no way a loincloth and a dagger make them look worse than the original Squats. In fact, this is the first really good rear picture I have seen of the plastic troops.
If it wasn't for having seen the fantasy models they are made from, or heard about it on the 'net, I would never have called out the "fantasy" parts when assembling the models- I would have just gone with it. It's really no more pseudo-medieval than anything else in the 40K universe.
I haven't done anything with my plastic FFs. This is mostly stemming from my disappointment in the fantasy ones that I got in Morgoth's Revenge, started assembling, then realised how bad I felt they were/are and put them back in a box, somewhere.But Original Squats kick arse.
^ Yeah, the decision to replace dwarves with orcs and goblins in the new 2-player set was a very good one.
Shows off Mantic's best model ranges, and makes the overall set much better value for money since I can see myself making both Orc and Undead armies because the minis are:
a) Gorgeous and
b) Soooo cheap. They're running a sale at the moment where the box is £40 instead of £50.. combine that with internet retailer discount (I found it at 35% off), and it ends up costing around 30p/mini, some of which is cavalry and the really nice restic wraiths. No-brainer purchase.
scarletsquig wrote: b) Soooo cheap. They're running a sale at the moment where the box is £40 instead of £50.. combine that with internet retailer discount (I found it at 35% off), and it ends up costing around 30p/mini, some of which is cavalry and the really nice restic wraiths. No-brainer purchase.
How can you combined these two? Does the sale from Mantic's site apply to the discounters too, or...?
Pacific wrote: I think the FF have got a bit of a bum rap because they shared the KoW bits, but I've got some of the newer ones and they are nice little minis - definitely better than the old Squat models in any case
We'll have to agree to disagree there as well. I really did like the slightly rag tag, dwarf biker look of the original RT-era squats. So pissed off I sold the ones I had as part of the Imperial Guard Army I sold (which I'm also pissed about) when I was 16 or so.
Funnily enough, I think the style of the Forge Fathers are probably pretty close to what GW would do if they were ever to release Squats again 5th/6th edition onwards.
Don't get me wrong, I love the old Squat models, but it's in a more twee, nostalgic kind of way - they were made in the 80's, they reflect the design aesthetics and stylings of that time. You have to look at the marines, eldar, IG (anything else from that time) and compare what those styles are like these days to see the level of transformation that has taken place.
Yes of course these things are subjective, but I think if the Squats were re-released these days (in a similar form) the internet criticism would make the stuff levelled at the Storm Raven/Centurions sound like rave reviews by comparison..
Well, from the teaser images in the 2nd Ed 40k rulebooks we saw that they were going to be moving in a much more "fantasy dwarves in space" direction. Which probably would have still been decently executed - and while your pouts on how the other ranges have moved on since then is well taken, these still remains something decently unique and distinctive about the original squat range (before even the RT-era plastics that made them simply into short IG.)
After all, finding a unique niche is what making a "new" army is all about, so dwarf bikers who tackle mechanical problems with mechanical skills rather than religious mumbo-jumbo worked in the context of 40k - for me at least. The (non-plastic) Forge fathers are decent enough in their own right, but just aren't on the same level as the original squats...
As we hunker down after another day hard at work getting the Deadzone Kickstarter ship shape, some of you may have noticed that pre-orders have gone live from our retailers for Deadzone with a late November shipping date. Well, that's because we're going to be delivering the first Deadzone Kickstarter Shipment in November too!
I've managed to avoid any of the previous Mantic clusterfeths, so my view of the company is entirely that of a satisfied customer (who loved their big ol' random box o' sprues deal, their fantastic undead, and his over 100 Corporation soldiers). If they deliver some of the Kickstarter stuff that early, they may just be one of my favourite companies ever, and certainly in the top three favourite KS companies - fingers crossed on casting quality!
scarletsquig wrote: ^ Yeah, the decision to replace dwarves with orcs and goblins in the new 2-player set was a very good one.
Shows off Mantic's best model ranges, and makes the overall set much better value for money since I can see myself making both Orc and Undead armies because the minis are:
a) Gorgeous and
b) Soooo cheap. They're running a sale at the moment where the box is £40 instead of £50.. combine that with internet retailer discount (I found it at 35% off), and it ends up costing around 30p/mini, some of which is cavalry and the really nice restic wraiths. No-brainer purchase.
What discounts/sites are these? I'm keen on picking up some mantic fantasy stuff cheap cheap!
in the UK, TWG has it for GBP30. Rubbish retailer though and intl. shipping is insane.
Mantic has it for $74.99, free shipping from $75.00 (so get a single sprue of bases, or whatever!) to R.O.W. destinations. Since any discounter is probably going to have to charge about their discount in shipping, I'd estimate you'd be off cheapest just getting it from Mantic.
...Unless there's some AU discounter stocking them, who's passing on the discount to his customers.
Epic Sci-fi Skirmishes fought in an Urban Battlezone
This set includes two elite squads of finely detailed Mantic miniatures, a high quality urban gaming mat and enough scenery tiles and barricades to create a modular 3D gaming environment. This set also includes all the rules, dice and counters you need to play.
This Box Contains:
• 1 x Full Colour A4 Rulebook containing all of the rules for Deadzone
• 12 x Enforcer Miniatures
◦ 1 Enforcer Captain
◦ 4 Enforcers with Heavy Rifle
◦ 2 Enforcers with Assault Blade
◦ 1 Enforcer Engineer
◦ 1 Enforcer Sniper
◦ 1 Enforcer Missile Launcher
◦ 2 Enforcer Sentry Guns
• 11 x Plague Miniatures
◦ 1 Plague 1st Gen ◦ 3 Plague 2nd Gens ◦ 4 Plague 3rd Gens ◦ 1 Plague 3rd Gen with Heavy Machinegun
◦ 2 Plague Hounds
• 1 x Enforcer Card Deck, including Mission Cards, Battle Cards and Stat Cards
• 1 x Plague Card Deck, including Mission Cards, Battle Cards and Stat Cards
• 1 x rubber Urban Gaming Mat with grid for easy movement and range.
• 100 Deadzone Counters
◦ 22 Activation/Overwatch Counters
◦ 11 Injured/Enraged Counters
◦ 11 Suppressed/ Enraged Counters
◦ 3 Objective Counters
◦ 16 Item Counters including Frag and Smoke Grenades, Medi-pack, Ammo and Intel.
◦ 22 Equipment Counters including Targeter, Holo-Sight, Stealth Cloaks and Energy Shield
◦ 8 Mutation Counters including Acid Bite, Razor Claws and Vestigal Wings.
◦ 6 Command Action Counters
◦ 1 Reload Counter
• 6 D8s
Interesting that the set gets the rubber mat. I guess there will be a budget version that just gets the paper mat, and a much more cut-down set of stuff.
Bolognesus wrote: in the UK, TWG has it for GBP30. Rubbish retailer though and intl. shipping is insane.
Mantic has it for $74.99, free shipping from $75.00 (so get a single sprue of bases, or whatever!) to R.O.W. destinations. Since any discounter is probably going to have to charge about their discount in shipping, I'd estimate you'd be off cheapest just getting it from Mantic.
...Unless there's some AU discounter stocking them, who's passing on the discount to his customers.
Just to say I've ordered Mantic stuff a couple of times from Total Wargamer and received it in days - they've got a full supply of the stuff on the shelves in the actual store, for UK orders at least should be OK.
In my personal experiences, do NOT under any circumstances by from totalwargamer.
And this isn't due to their GW stock problems.
Several people, myself included, are having significant trouble getting Refunds from Totalwargamer. In so far that disputes has been opened with our credit card companies concerning it.
At least, as far as in my personal circumstances, Totalwargamer have failed to pay up 4 weeks after my refund was acknowledged.
That's not stock problems, or any other excuse they'd like to give out. In my view, that's sheer shiftiness.
Well, Mars Attacks Kickstarter is coming in a few weeks, I made a KS thread for all of the news from that over the course of the KS campaign, since I guess people following this one would prefer to hear about their Dreadball and Deadzone stuff over the next couple of months while that's running.
Squig, thanks... I have so little interest in Mars Attacks, and more importantly, yet ANOTHER new type of game from Mantic that it isn't funny.
Looking forward to getting my Dreadball Season 3 items.... Dreadball, Deadzone, and possibly Warpath (whatever happened there ) are what I want to talk about in here! And even that is Quite a lot for one thread... and one small company.
Yeah, I can't say I'm planning on going into Mars Attacks.
Unless there happens to be Jack Nicholson and Pierce Brosnan figures. Then I'll be sorely tempted.
On the other hand, I can't blame mantic for going for it. From what I heard, they were basically offered the license, providing the kickstarter pays the costs, there's really not much downside for them doing it. Just like Loka, but with a brand name attached.
Interesting that the set gets the rubber mat. I guess there will be a budget version that just gets the paper mat, and a much more cut-down set of stuff.
I think the paper mat might be gone completely. I watched a video interview with Ronnie somewhere on Youtube (Terrainaholic's channel I think.) from GenCon and he stated something about raising enough funds to put the upgraded mats into the retail set.... *goes to find video* Here we go.
It's somewhere in this little interview I think. Ronnie's interview starts at 09:13 for those who want to skip ahead to it.
I've had a quick gander over the pdf. It seems good, though I'm inwardly cringing at finding how difficult the teratons will be. I was looking forward to them but I'm now really not sure I fit their playstyle. They've got the difficulty of goblin jacks scoring, combined with the ease of dwarfs falling over.
That might be because I've not really read the teleporting rules yet.
Compel wrote: I've had a quick gander over the pdf. It seems good, though I'm inwardly cringing at finding how difficult the teratons will be. I was looking forward to them but I'm now really not sure I fit their playstyle. They've got the difficulty of goblin jacks scoring, combined with the ease of dwarfs falling over.
That might be because I've not really read the teleporting rules yet.
Everytime they get slammed in the rear they automatically teleport 1-4 hexes so there safe on that account, just try not to dash with them! (They can't when teleporting though). There going to suffer very heavily with no coaching dice or Cards though. I may give the Asterians a go (albeit with a head swap though!).
I've had a quick look over the giants and they don't look to impressive to be honest though I have not looked at what there abilities do. The Jack Giants have show off so they won't be scoring much!
) I've asked and need to wait for an answer I'd like to reallocate the money if I don't need to buy them now.
Um...I wanted to paint all the members of a team at the same time rather than have inconsistencies from a year of separation! Yeah, yeah...that's it...
