Those TAGs be beautiful.
While I agree the Zeta looks a touch top heavy, I think mild converting would fix the issue. (specifically putting *something* on the right hip to visually counterbalance the left gun.)
LunarSol wrote: What else should he be doing with that hand? I think the Zeta's rage fist is pose appropriate. The Cutter of all of them is the strangest of the bunch. The answer we all know though is they do it because it casts better than fingers.
I would have loved an open palm hand (happy enough with fingers in 1 flat blade) to make it look like it is balancing against something or even better...a riotstopper in there.
It does not help that the gun looks like it's been just taped onto the side of the forearm, which gives it a feeling of being a prop? Cause there's no weight behind it in the pose.
Ironically, it's the only tag of the 4 that actually is doing anything, the others just sort of aim at the ground, making sure the local lawn doesn't attack them.
Good news! I have been informed that the Defiance stuff will be here soonish, lands at port/customs end of month and deliveries in December mid to late.
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ASA changes have made me happy. The Akhal's were a missed opportunity, but given how aggressive the rest of the army is it's no great loss. The changes to Singh make him a possible take now, with NCO and a boost to CC.
The mahoosive cost drop to Dragoas and the Tikbalang is going to be fun to play with, ditto with the Montessa. And PanO has smoke now with the chaper Guarda.. Although I refuse to get excited until CB have had the chance to take it away as a 'mistake'.
Also also, the ACA Machinst is now the same price as the regular, so free Mim -3. Although I'm also thinking one of those is a mistake.
Is anyone aware of any UK distributors/shops that are up for any stock? I miss missing out on the mega unit from this (esp since its combined army and because its unlikely to get a regular retail release)
shasolenzabi wrote: My Megalodron is in the mail with a tracking number. What a long strange trip it has been!
Not really. From China to Orlando to you on the Eastern Edge. It's a fairly common trip these days. Too common if you ask me.
My Shinies arrived Saturday morning. Fortunately, everything was in order. Several people report missing Duchess and Gaspar minis from their Collector's boxes.
The January 2021 releases:
Jayth+Taigha
Cheerkillers & ML Grenzer
John Hawkwood
and the repacks:
PanO C1 Booster Alpha (Swiss Guard HMG, Akal combi, Croc Sniper repack)
Yu Jing C1 Booster Alpha (Hsien HMG, Hac Tao Hacker, Zhanying Hacker repack)
Aleph action pack (Operation/Beyond Coldfront repack)
Given that I just received 43 minis, I'm not looking to add to the pile o' shame anytime soon. Ah, there's nothing there for my factions anyway, so that's easily sorted.
shasolenzabi wrote: My Megalodron is in the mail with a tracking number. What a long strange trip it has been!
Not really. From China to Orlando to you on the Eastern Edge. It's a fairly common trip these days. Too common if you ask me.
My Shinies arrived Saturday morning. Fortunately, everything was in order. Several people report missing Duchess and Gaspar minis from their Collector's boxes.
Of course...2020.
Is there a list with pictures somewhere so I can make sure that nothing's missing in my shipment?
EDIT:
Just checked - no Gaspar and Duchess.
Lovely.
This looks to be the list:
4 boxes:
1) Core Box
2) Scenery Box
3) Collector Box
4) Megalodron.
I don't remember which minis were in which box (core or collector), but the total would be:
2 versions of Cadin, Qiang, Jazz, Uma heroes
1 each of Rahman, Agnes, Trisha heroes.
1 each of the remotes Billie, Gaspar, Duchess. From what others have said, Gaspar and Duchess are in the same bag.
Shasvaasti:
Charontid, Sheeskin, Aida, Victor, Gwailos
2 Speculo's, Caliban, Jayth
3 Seeds, Cadmus
6 Nox (2 of each of 3 models)
6 Taighas (2 of each of 3 models, there's two in each baggy for 3 bags total)
If you ordered card sleeves, they're in there too.
Hopefully they'll let us know how to go about asking for the missing items soon...
shasolenzabi wrote: My Megalodron is in the mail with a tracking number. What a long strange trip it has been!
Not really. From China to Orlando to you on the Eastern Edge. It's a fairly common trip these days. Too common if you ask me.
My Shinies arrived Saturday morning. Fortunately, everything was in order. Several people report missing Duchess and Gaspar minis from their Collector's boxes.
The January 2021 releases:
Jayth+Taigha
Cheerkillers & ML Grenzer
John Hawkwood
and the repacks:
PanO C1 Booster Alpha (Swiss Guard HMG, Akal combi, Croc Sniper repack)
Yu Jing C1 Booster Alpha (Hsien HMG, Hac Tao Hacker, Zhanying Hacker repack)
Aleph action pack (Operation/Beyond Coldfront repack)
Given that I just received 43 minis, I'm not looking to add to the pile o' shame anytime soon. Ah, there's nothing there for my factions anyway, so that's easily sorted.
Yeah it was in Orlando FL on the 14th, no updates since, and the USPS is flooded by shipments at this time of year, will not surprise me if it arrives stealthily w/o warning despite my tracking it as best I can
Automatically Appended Next Post: P.S. I merely ordered the Megalodron for my synth collection from the Combined Army.
Is there a list with pictures somewhere so I can make sure that nothing's missing in my shipment?
Yes, it's on the bottom of the Collector's box.
Ask for the missing items just like you would for any other mispack. However, IIRC, CB Central is closed for the holidays, so I don't thin they'll respond until after the new year.
Ask for the missing items just like you would for any other mispack. However, IIRC, CB Central is closed for the holidays, so I don't thin they'll respond until after the new year.
Yeah, given how they've been silent in the comments section, I figured we were solidly into the European "See You Next Year" period of the season!
PVC works well enough for larger minis/models. It is really hit or miss, mostly miss, for 28mm-32mm minis.
Folks can check to see if there is a 40mm base in their shipment. It's for the Charontid. Some people are missing the base. It's a trivial thing compared to missing minis, but still.
PVC works well enough for larger minis/models. It is really hit or miss, mostly miss, for 28mm-32mm minis.
Folks can check to see if there is a 40mm base in their shipment. It's for the Charontid. Some people are missing the base. It's a trivial thing compared to missing minis, but still.
Oh many shops will sell 40mm bases in packs.
Oh yes, fun to paint, as I can pull it apart as a 2 piece model. Makes my Bug suit look small in comparison
Renamed the thread to 2021 news. We really don't have much of an idea about what is forthcoming. Wave 2 Defiance shipping, new minis, and eventually errata and FAQs for Code One and N4.
Anyway, releases:
-January 2021 releases:
Jayth+Taigha
Cheerkillers & ML Grenzer
John Hawkwood
and the repacks:
PanO C1 Booster Alpha (Swiss Guard HMG, Akal combi, Croc Sniper repack)
Yu Jing C1 Booster Alpha (Hsien HMG, Hac Tao Hacker, Zhanying Hacker repack)
Aleph action pack (Operation/Beyond Coldfront repack)
Tactical Rock Uxia is okay I guess. Nice mini, don't get me wrong. I just don't think she is so awesome I need to have her over previous Uxia. So another month, another no need to purchase anything for Infinity for me.
Hmm. Well, Have an Aida Swanson and 2 speculo killers, courtesy of Defiance. Don't play Ariadna; Won't play Ariadna, so that's Uxia sorted. Naga hacker is an improvement, but I use the old Dasyus hacker as my Naga hacker in my ASA.
I don't hate the 0-12 minis. Hippolyta and Ensign Cho? look fine. The other mini is meh. But I'm not starting a new faction.
No matter. I have so many CB minis to prime and paint already.
ETA: The March releases are known.
-Cassandra Kusanagi spitfire
-Monstruckers boarding shotgun ( "Breaker, Breaker" good buddy. Man, that was a terrible movie. Too much Chuck Norris trying to act and not enough Chuck Norris kicking people.)
-Nyoka Assault Troops
-Pan-Oceania booster pack
-Yu Jing booster pack
Contents of the boosters and the Nyoka box unknown ATM.
And the Kaldstrom scenery expansion pack. Maybe to expand the 2'x3' play mat to 4'x3'?
So, as someone who is perennially always on the cusp of getting into Infinity but never actually does, is N4 out in the wild completely? If so, how is the general reception assuming that there is one?
Yes, it's out completely, they released the remaining rules for all the discontinued sectorials back in November. I still haven't gotten a single game of N4 because of COVID, but we have an active Discord for my local players and a lot of them are playing on Tabletop Simulator, they seem to like it.
Yeah, I figured the pandemic would muck up the actual in person play of the new game but I haven't seen much chatter about it even in theory here. Admittedly, it's not like I'm really looking for it but figured I'd ask as it doesn't seem to have changed much of the talk.
Yeah, I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself I lost almost all interest in the game because of edition change happening in the middle of no in-person gaming. Some of the changes look cool and fun, but without being able to actually try them out then it's all theorycrafting with no reference point. And since my painting is directly tied to playing, I haven't touched any of my backlog of models, I already have 5 fully painted armies. Defiance KS delivered a month ago and I've barely looked at it
It really sucks because I went from playing almost every week to not even bothering with the podcasts.
Defiance can be played as a solo game. It's a good way to learn the rules so that when you get to game with the group again, you can walk them through the ruleset quickly. It takes a couple of scenarios to understand everything. It's a standard practice for me and the other guy in my group who is a game-bringer. I've assembled and primed all 43 minis, but I have yet to start to paint them. I figure I'll have everything ready when we can start gaming in person again. Online gaming is a mediocre experience at best, at least for me. YMMV.
Yes, everything is out for N4, including the new ITS season and the first FAQ/errata. There is the Code One ruleset too, for *lite* gaming. I may have to play that version, since some of my fellow gamers are a bit averse to playing the full 'lifestyle game' version.
Thanks for the info. Do you think the kickstarted board game (Defiance) is a better intro to full N4 or Code One (which sounds like a cola to me for some reason)?
Haven't gotten to play but reading the rules and it seems just fine. More of a maintenance change than anything. The stuff that was simplified helps steamline the game but nothing was really changed in a way that dramatically affects the game. Given N3 is one of my favorite games, period, I'm pretty happy with N4; but if you didn't like N3 its probably not going to change your mind.
warboss wrote: Thanks for the info. Do you think the kickstarted board game (Defiance) is a better intro to full N4 or Code One (which sounds like a cola to me for some reason)?
Code One is the stream-lined ruleset, so I'd say it is the best introduction to the game. Defiance is a nice introduction to the Infinity setting, but it is based on the Aristeia! mechanics, which is a board game.
Red Harvest wrote: Defiance can be played as a solo game. It's a good way to learn the rules so that when you get to game with the group again, you can walk them through the ruleset quickly. It takes a couple of scenarios to understand everything. It's a standard practice for me and the other guy in my group who is a game-bringer. I've assembled and primed all 43 minis, but I have yet to start to paint them. I figure I'll have everything ready when we can start gaming in person again. Online gaming is a mediocre experience at best, at least for me. YMMV.
Yes, everything is out for N4, including the new ITS season and the first FAQ/errata. There is the Code One ruleset too, for *lite* gaming. I may have to play that version, since some of my fellow gamers are a bit averse to playing the full 'lifestyle game' version.
Thank you very much for the links to all the new N4 stuff - much appreciated!
So if CB is starting to make that nice of terrain under their label not tied to a expensive box how long do you think other companies will still pay to be official partners for terrain?
The LE Dragon Lady is nice. Hopefully she won't be a pain to get.
Also, is it just me or is CB the only company outside of GW that bothers to put any effort into videos they make? I know it costs money but still, even something as basic as this looks so much better with good lighting, a mic and decent editing vs just about everyone else.
Monkeysloth wrote: So if CB is starting to make that nice of terrain under their label not tied to a expensive box how long do you think other companies will still pay to be official partners for terrain?
I don't think any of the companies making laser cut terrain feel threatened by cardboard terrain. Even when it's fairly nice good thickness stuff like the Salvora and Kaldstrom buildings, it's still pretty much a different market segment.
What overlap there may be, I think the laser cutters have the advantage in being able to redo their designs, or branch out into resin add ons, faster than the cardboard can cut into the low end of the market.
I don't think the 3rd parties would stop producing MDF or targeting infinity players but is it worth it to pay that fee to be a "Partner" with CB when CB is now competing with you even if it's a cheaper product (in cost and material). Outside of Warsenal do any of them even bother using any infinity IP on the terrain? (I know some have stencils or decals they make using IP)
Be interesting to see how much CB pushes to make everything in house as they grow.
Monkeysloth wrote: I don't think the 3rd parties would stop producing MDF or targeting infinity players but is it worth it to pay that fee to be a "Partner" with CB when CB is now competing with you even if it's a cheaper product (in cost and material). Outside of Warsenal do any of them even bother using any infinity IP on the terrain? (I know some have stencils or decals they make using IP)
If you're asking that, you need to stop and think "How many 3rd parties actually bothered to pay the fee to be a "Partner" in the first place?
Then stop and consider that the timeline so far has been:
- Two years ago the Spiral Corps box comes out with the new heavy duty cardstock. Later that year, that scenery pack is available for separate purchase.
- Last year, the Code One box comes out with a similar pack of heavy duty cardstock. That pack is currently available for separate purchase.
At the moment, Micro Arts Studio has in their "New Releases" section pre-painted versions of their District 5 scenery, and I know that their District 5 line up has increased since 2nd edition.
So it sure doesn't look like Micro Arts Studio or Warsenal are too bothered by this.
First look at the Military Orders stuff coming in March
MO week
MILITARY ORDERS PRE-ORDER
From march 8th to 22nd
MILITARY ORDERS ACTION PACK
The Military Orders, religious groups of military character, were a phenomenon of the Middle Ages that, surprisingly, has resurfaced in the Human Sphere with a force comparable to that of its heyday. Bringing additional combat strength to the army of PanOceania and subject to PanOceanian High Command, they have some freedom of action and distinguish themselves by their assault tactics that recall those of earlier bloodier times.
MSPR: 84,95€
KNIGHT OF MONTESA - PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVE PACK
Knights of Montesa are famous for playing hard; they are stubborn, powerful, and valiant. The most courageous in battle and the first into danger. As heavy armored infantry, they will always be found where the action is.
Exclusive Padre-Inquisidor Mendoza miniature, a completely new model, never seen before. Mendoza can also be used as an alternative Skin of the same character in the board game Aristeia! as the blister contains its own card.
MSRP: 19,99€
CORVUS BELLI ON-LINE STORE BUNDLE
Military Orders Action Pack + Knight of Montesa + Mendoza = 122,90€
NCA didn't get anything beyond stats. The faction was abandoned, same as MRRF, in favor of whatever new ridiculous concept came into the design team's head.
Kanluwen wrote: The faction was abandoned, same as MRRF, in favor of whatever new ridiculous concept came into the design team's head.
I think everyone by now knows this is how they work. Give you 3-4 years to collect a faction, abandon it and introduce new hotness to keep the people buying while not turning into Privateer Press with more models then they can deliver so there's no shortages.
The Pre-order exclusive box sets are kind of scummy though.
That motorcycle looks awful from the artwork anyways, If I get it he might just get stuffed onto a Kum Biker bike. And I may get it, saw somebody do up a MO army in a Warmachine Menoth scheme and was surprised I never thought of that, so I painted a few MO models in the same cream/red/black/gold scheme and really like it. We'll see, my Infinity backlog is already ridiculous
Until I see the actual Montesa I'll reserve judgement. I do want one, but Let's see... 15 Kaldstrom minis and 43 Defiance minis in 2020... yep, painting queue is full, so it would need to be an exceptional mini for me to buy it now.
The normal Montesa was always fun to play in ASA. I never played the mounted version. Seemed silly. A biker in a force of jungle fighters.
PsychoticStorm wrote: You get non exclusive versions later down the line for those that do not want them right now.
I figured but have they gotten any better about releasing the regular versions? They tend to lag behind by up to two years.
The last couple I recall were a couple months, but I think it varies quite a bit and I don't track them all well enough to say that with any confidence. I just recall Saito's far superior regular release being out extremely quick.
Shame they didn't bother doing anything with the actually interesting Sectorials like NCA.
Don't mistake your personal opinions with fact. This has me excited as hell and will probably bring me back to the game. NCA to me is the most boring PanO faction.
Yes, it's my opinion. Obviously. NCA, to me, was a sectorial of wasted potential. As the game grew the sectorial did not. There was a ton of delayed promises/concepts(Bolts with a fire-able mine), concepts we got to hear about after cancellation(tell me you wouldn't have been interested in NCA if the RedEye Drone had ever manifested!), and just general consumer unfriendly practices with "core" items like the Uhlan, Swiss Guard, Bolts, etc.
Military Orders getting blasted off into their own independent faction with strong ties to PanO would get me excited as hell and probably bring me back to the game. The Corregidor rework almost had me interested in coming back but Kosmoflot killed that interest real quick.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I do not understand why you want MO to be an independent faction (that is of course a pure fluff thing) functionally they would be any different.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel like MO really draws away from what makes PanO actually interesting to me in the fluff - I really like that they're "liberal-social-christian-democrats, but not the ones that you'd expect given most other scifi settings". But I think the interesting part - to me - comes from the former - putting something like a mundane European christian democratic party alongside a mundane anglo-commonwealth social democratic party in the same faction, AND south American, postcolonial Oceanian, and east African countries, all of which are (relatively) well-functioning democracies? That's pretty fresh, amongst the current crop of Space America, Star Trek Utopia, or Grimdark feudal nightmare settings. Throwing in MO in there just leans it more towards the latter - I appreciate that the Orders aren't numerically that important in the lore of PanO compared to other elements of the faction, but miniature representation, for good or ill, does shape our understanding of the setting because most of us have come to it minis-first.
As much as I was personally quite unhappy with how the YJ-JSA was written, I think there's at least an argument that YJ is more interesting if we take out the Neobushido elements (although, in this instance, I think part of the problem is it made JSA worse, in that now the later is even more of a Cartoon Space Japan faction). In that sense, I think separating MO could make PanO more interesting for me by putting the focus back onto the things I like about it.
All that being said, I do understand why some factions come and go in terms of production. *looks sadly at my fully complete collection of FRRM*
Honestly, I do agree that spinning of the Church into it's own faction as far as lore goes would be good- I've been observing how PanO has constantly over the years shifted from N1's depiction of a capitalist super-state into "space crusaders go brrr" with ever-expanding list of space marines...i mean, Knight Orders.
The designers should either do what they really seem to want to do and make PanO a full-on church country, or spin the godboys into their own thing and free up the creative space for PanO to explore more of the unique elements of it's lore. How the HELL does a faction with massive hindu and polynesian population have like...3 units with those themes and 20 viking cosplayers from WinterFor and 50 deus vult cosplayers instead?
PanO is a capitalist superstate and the church made sure to have many shares, for me it showcases well how PanO functions and how entities in PanO manipulate the political environment to push themselves in above others.
I do not see how one can separate the church from PanO when they are so firmly entrenched in the PanOceania society, not only by controlling the resurrections, but banking, technology and politics, Acontecimento is practically a planet run by them, Military Orders were not a thing the Church needed to do (apart from raising its influence over the one part of the PanO society that is irreligious) they did it because they could and in an appropriate for the lore way, here we made private military companies and donate them to you, you do not need to pay for them we do.
As far as the lore goes MO are an independent entity with really strong ties to PanO by virtue of been donated to the PanO Military Complex by the church PanO does not raise, train and pay the orders the Church does.
Which is why it'd make sense to treat them the same way as the many merc companies which fit in N2- this way they can be developed in lore and gameplay as their own thing, aligned with PanO but not the same. It'll also give PanO proper breathing space in terms of design and lore, letting it focus on the interests of the lobbies without focusing on the one lobby (church) above all others, and in terms of gameplay, every other pano unit won't be wearing a cross.
Most PanO units do not wear a cross from the presently 64 units only 16 units are MO related in the vanilla list and 4 of those units are characters, NA2 is a distinct entity and MO do not fit there at all, they are Church assets and church is a PanOceanian entity.
Oh, so there's no christians anywhere outside of PanO? Or does PanO state have shares in the Pope?
Seriously, 16 out of 64 is 25% of the army list, that's a lot of design space taken up by one sub-faction that's mostly just HI variants anyway.
5 HI types out of 16 total HI units in PanO vanilla list are NOT church units. PanO the state, the superpower, the most advanced army in the human sphere has less power armor types than a religious organization.
There will definitely be Christians outside of PanO, the Observance been a notable faction that split from the church because it aligned itself with Aleph, probably other communities exist neutral, aligned, or hostile to the church, the church for sure will never object in more Christians been around, reality is it is not PanO who has shares to the Pope, its the Pope who has shares in PanO, hence why Military Orders exists.
What you say about HI is true 10 out of 16 HI units are MI though only 7 out of 12 non character HI are MO, still over 50% that is because MO are a sub-faction and can have the luxury to have highly customizable armour in contrast with PanO military who utilizes Orcs as their mainline HI (hence why Orcs have so many variants in its sectorial).
I don't think singling out "characters" makes sense, Joan of Arc is functionally the same as Swiss Guard in that they're both Ava 1 unit.
That bein said, there's no point in arguing this further, PanO's a subfaction of Church and its not going to change so let's move on.
There is something *off* about the paint jobs on those minis, or the lighting is gak.
The Montesa. Hmmm, Not what I expected. The helmet is not very Pan-O, or MO. I dislike. Ah well.
Rygnan wrote: The Druze Society are also a very real Christian sect IRL so I'd hazard a guess they're another Christian splinter separate from MO and even PanO
The Druze are an offshoot, of sorts, of Islam, although they do not think of themselves as Muslims (From what I understand). They are definitely not Christian.
Shame it wasn't used for literally anything but a knight.
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Red Harvest wrote: There is something *off* about the paint jobs on those minis, or the lighting is gak.
The Montesa. Hmmm, Not what I expected. The helmet is not very Pan-O, or MO. I dislike. Ah well.
The helmet likely would have worked better if it had been for a Fusilier/Auxilia styled model.
On a Knight that's wearing a helmet under it? Looks like a bad cosplay.
Credit where credit's due, the sculpts look nice outside of the derpy Motorbiker. The standard bearer is the first time I've really felt like MO has its own identity.
The bike is a cute mix between a roadster and a offroad, i like it. The offroad helmet on top of power armor helmet looks so out of place it cracks me up.
As for the action pack, I like the contragluten croissaints and I 100% approve of the banner-lady's thick bannerpole, it's sensibly proportioned to avoid bending. The HI models are all very nice, but if they weren't labelled, I'd have hard time telling which is which (outside of the mini-tag).
Is it normal for subfactions to have variant paint schemes? This one (even beyond the typical capes/tabards) seems like it has more white than the normal PanSmurfs. I liked the scheme before but I think the extra color improves in it.
warboss wrote: Is it normal for subfactions to have variant paint schemes? This one (even beyond the typical capes/tabards) seems like it has more white than the normal PanSmurfs. I liked the scheme before but I think the extra color improves in it.
The different Knightly Orders have their own heraldry.
warboss wrote: Is it normal for subfactions to have variant paint schemes? This one (even beyond the typical capes/tabards) seems like it has more white than the normal PanSmurfs. I liked the scheme before but I think the extra color improves in it.
The different Knightly Orders have their own heraldry.
Do the other subfactions have specific unique colors added to the general PanO ones?
warboss wrote: Is it normal for subfactions to have variant paint schemes? This one (even beyond the typical capes/tabards) seems like it has more white than the normal PanSmurfs. I liked the scheme before but I think the extra color improves in it.
The different Knightly Orders have their own heraldry.
Do the other subfactions have specific unique colors added to the general PanO ones?
Yeah, NeoTerra has red, Varuna has turquoise, Aconticimento has green and Svalarheima has I think black? And then Military Orders has various Knight Orders.
warboss wrote: Is it normal for subfactions to have variant paint schemes? This one (even beyond the typical capes/tabards) seems like it has more white than the normal PanSmurfs. I liked the scheme before but I think the extra color improves in it.
Corregidor is primarily Red with white and black accents
Bakkunin is primarily White with red and black accents
Tunguska is primarily Black with red and white accents.
In some books you also get alternate paint schemes for a sub faction. JSA for example has 4-5 I believe. Tohaa have 4 too I believe. But they haven't been very consistent with providing official ones.
It is ingenious, this way they can sell us the same model, but with updated hairdo in 5 years' time once sidecuts are no longer in fashion You've heard of fashion souls, now get ready for haircutfinity
Cronch wrote: Does the good book not say to girdle your loins for work? He just tucks it into the belt for combat and folds out when dismounting
It's a cyberpunk-esque/adjacent universe, right? Maybe it's electronically controlled cloth that can change shape as needed... whether to billow dramatically in zero wind or intimately expose armored thigh if you cheesecake pose with one foot on a tactical rock.
warboss wrote: Is that a completely new TAG or a knightly variant of an existing one?
It's a new TAG for an order that used to be HI.
Thanks. It looks pretty cool and a bit chunkier than I expected (which is a good thing for my tastes). If it wasn't right next to the infantry (assuming they're in exact scale for the crop/cut/paste collage), I'd think it was manned despite the usual remote TAGs for this faction.
Naw, just cookie cutter design. Give 'em a goofy BMX helmet but leave the other *safety* issue alone. It would have been possible to give the Montesa a shorter tunic style, something mid thigh. No matter, it's done. I won't be getting one. Unless the regular edition Montesa has a proper MO helmet.
Cronch wrote: Does the good book not say to girdle your loins for work? He just tucks it into the belt for combat and folds out when dismounting
It's a cyberpunk-esque/adjacent universe, right? Maybe it's electronically controlled cloth that can change shape as needed... whether to billow dramatically in zero wind or intimately expose armored thigh if you cheesecake pose with one foot on a tactical rock.
I missed the page roll. Oops.
Although, speaking of cheesecake, one of the Coadjutors (Coadjutrices) does have the classic B&B pose.
Apart from the weirdly small head of the Infirmarer, and the way too thick spearshaft it has, I like the MO minis.
Until now I thought the Knight of the Holy Sepulchre was just one of those giant HIs. If it's a manned TAG, perhaps that's what the PanOceanian military does with it's old gear?
I've been calling it a TAG just out of habit for bigger models but a look on the Facebook group shows the supposed classification to be an oversized HI. I don't actually know as a mostly thread lurker and nonplayer but I suppose we'll find out next week.I
Do any of the other bigger HI have the baby set of arms?
Geckos are what first came to mind for me when I saw the pano group shot. That is confusing then. I assumed (admittedly out of ignorance) that the Blackjack was a primitive TAG that just could be hacked based on the size.I
Kanluwen wrote:It has nothing to do with it being PanO and everything to do with Corvus Belli being inconsistent.
Blackjacks, Kriza Boracs, Taskmasters, Ratniks, and stuff like that are S5 Heavy Infantry. Geckos are Superheavy Infantry with the TAG rules instead.
Anything can be anything.
Boyg, is a "not prototype" power armour that failed to miniaturize the technology Yu Jing have in their more advance power armour hence the bulk Mowang and Yan Huo are bulked up not because Yu Jing cannot produce more advance power armours but because they need the mass for the weapons they carry Blackjacks and Ratniks are Ariadnas first steps towards proper power armour hence the bulk giving a feel on what the others first power armours looked like Al Fasid and Azra'il are older generation power armours retained for the superior protection not offered by present technology miniaturization in Haqq (Al Fasid) or for phycological manipulation of a towering figure (Azra'il) Kriza Boracs and Taskmasters Are big suits because of need to either have a lot of firepower for the first and operational parameters (strange things escaping from Praxis) for the latter Ajax is a prototype body for Achilles before been miniaturized, and roughly either for biological reasons or for artificially looking big is the main reason why Combined, Tohaa and O-12 S5 are S5 All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size Gheckos are failed scouting TAGs relegated to "heavy power armour" duties by the Nomads who bought them because they were cheap hence the S6 and the TAG statline, they are not HI they are TAGs used in this role. Knights of the Holy Sepulcher are the new S5 HI and they will have a consistent lore reason on why they are S5 in a faction that has super advanced technology, the weapons they carry may have something to do with it.
warboss wrote:Geckos are what first came to mind for me when I saw the pano group shot. That is confusing then. I assumed (admittedly out of ignorance) that the Blackjack was a primitive TAG that just could be hacked based on the size.I
Ariadna do not have the technology (yet) to make TAGs, and nobody from the two big who make TAGs (PanOceania and Yu Jing) wants to sell them one, Blackjacks are the first stable attempts to a "primitive" power armour, probably in the (far) future they will develop enouph technology to build their own, if they are not sabotaged that is.
All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size
And then you have Friar Tuck with his tag-only extra arms now I bet he was supposed to be a TAG at some point, since he has what seems to be a gatling weapon, not the standard PanO HMG desing either.
All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size
And then you have Friar Tuck with his tag-only extra arms now I bet he was supposed to be a TAG at some point, since he has what seems to be a gatling weapon, not the standard PanO HMG desing either.
So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?
warboss wrote: So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?
Seriously man, the answer is the same as it is with GW or any other company:
It's all up to how Corvus Belli feels at that moment.
warboss wrote: So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?
According to the unboxing video, confirmed S5 HI. Complete redesign of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre (currently S2 with Holomask and Holoprojector, so probably completely changed from that). I don't like it, the slave arms should make it a manned TAG. I'll almost certainly use it as a counts-as Tikbalang unless the rules are truly amazing for the Holy Sepulchre knights.
As far as mechanical difference, it varies. In N3 it was significantly better to be a HI than a TAG, N4 has more built-in buffs to TAGs and some of them like the Geckos then also got significant changes to make them worth using (they were exceedingly mediocre in N3). Which is better will be situational to the mission and the opponent. Actual reasoning for the difference is mostly fluff based, but fluff has also been changed to match the models. It really is up to how CB feels at the moment.
Huh, Holy Sepulchre knight is expensive, but still has Holoprojector and the NCO w/ an APHMG profile is very nice. Another profile has Chain of Command, which is amazing for MO to get. I guess I'll be using him as his actual model after all
I like the style of battle report. Is that the typical one they post? It doesn't look like the last couple months have any more as they're likely work intensive. I appreciate the stats/rolls/results being onscreen but I'd prefer if the relevant modifiers were too. Regardless, it's very helpful.
.Mikes. wrote: It's not a batrep, it's a pre-determined example to show how the models and stats work.
Anyone who disagrees with me can meet me by the bike sheds.
My camo marker is already there... or is it!?!
It was pretty one sided now in the result which, initially, made me think of the old GW battle reports where the new featured army always won (unless it was IG of course) but this was so lopsided that it swings the other way for me personally. I haven't watched the previous ones though so I don't know enough to determine if there is a trend.
I mean, the video is pretty clearly meant to show new players (and returning long time players) how the game works and how the faction functions. Its obviously semi-scripted and not meant to be an example of a genuine 'anything can happen' competitive match.
warboss wrote: I like the style of battle report. Is that the typical one they post? It doesn't look like the last couple months have any more as they're likely work intensive. I appreciate the stats/rolls/results being onscreen but I'd prefer if the relevant modifiers were too. Regardless, it's very helpful.
Yup, It's a ballet. Scripted Batrep. Similar to the one they did for Starmada.
warboss wrote: I like the style of battle report. Is that the typical one they post? It doesn't look like the last couple months have any more as they're likely work intensive. I appreciate the stats/rolls/results being onscreen but I'd prefer if the relevant modifiers were too. Regardless, it's very helpful.
Yup, It's a ballet. Scripted Batrep. Similar to the one they did for Starmada.
Spoiler:
I like that one even more as it shows the modifiers in screen. There were a few times where I wasn't sure why something failed in the MO video.
Whatever it is looks like its a Kickstarter coming later this year...
Just going by the name, I'd wager its an official version of the fan made rules for TAG Deathmatch. Basically, imagine Quake or something simliar, with each player represented by a TAG model. Everyone starts with a Combi but objectives can be picked up to get a new weapon drop and you respawn after death going for the best kill/death ratio at the end of it. It's good multiplayer and actually how I learned to play Infinity by jumping into a match at a con.
Alpharius wrote: If the Jotum isn't the king of this particular hill, I call BS right now!!!
If it's based off of the original fan rules I've played a few times, all TAGs no matter what you pick have a generic statline and you pick up loot (armor, BTS, weapons, special skills) as you play.
I'd like if the TAG you pick had an impact on the game but that hasn't been the case historically.
Ah, thanks. I've been mainly looking at the smaller variants like the Gecko in the past and more recently the Sepulchre SHI (can I call it that? super heavy infantry?) so I'm used to lower ARM values.
The Gecko is very much a product of the "is it a small TAG or big HI?" era. Ultimately CB seems to have chosen to go wtih the latter, so the Gecko's are kind of an anomaly.
Say, those renders showed some really nice minis. The Mukhtar hacker reminds one of the Hunza-cutie, no? the pose anyway. A good mini.
Dukash the Hellboy-lite. Interesting.
The karakuri are perhaps a bit too kawaii? Still, a good update.
O-12 is still... too O-12-ish.
A much better Shona Carano (related to Gina, perhaps? ) but the bar was so low on that.
The new Tankhunter autocannon, nicely done. And the Shaolin monk also nicely done...except it doesn't fit on the base. >:|
Varangian Guard would have been more interesting if they had gone more Anglo-Saxon and less Viking. Vikings are børing and passé. (after the Battle of Hastings a fair number of Anglo-Saxons found their way into the Varangian Guard.)
I am concerned by CB talking about focusing on large minis; feels like they might be trying to cut in on the Imperial Knights market? Is that something Infinity players are interested in? For me at least Infinity's smaller scale is one of the things I like about it.
The way the Tankhunter looks like she's leaning backwards is a bit strange to me, but I think it would work really well with a big "gunfire" effect coming out of the front of the gun, so it looks like she's being pushed backwards by the recoil. You could even get fancy and aim the barrel upwards a little bit, with the bulk of the fire effect a little bit forwards and still horizontal, to suggest that the gun has been pushed back and upwards from the original firing position... if that makes sense... ugh, it's hard to explain in words what I'm seeing in my head.
The way the Tankhunter looks like she's leaning backwards is a bit strange to me...
It's a homage to the original tank-hunter miniature's pose.
I think the big mini emphasis is for the TAG game. I highly doubt, and fervently hope, that CB does not pollute Infinity the Game with that stuff. It's terrible in 40k. It is, so I hear, terrible in Warmahordes. I'd bet it is terrible in any table top game. Bigger is not better. You want big stuff, do it in 15mm or 6mm or something like that.
Big yes to the smaller scale systems to run monster smash. The market seems to enjoy "big" models doing "big numbers", hence I doubt the trend will ever reverse.
A big boom stick that comes with a girl is cool. Can't wait for the new C1 pack and Evaders.
I don't know if it's terrible, but I'm not personally a fan; Gargossals, and later Battle Engines, definitely shaped the meta in MkII. Much less so I feel in MkIII, luckily. Definitely agree in that I prefer giant robots in smaller scale games than in 28-35mm.
Cronch wrote:They can't make it *too* collosal, or their own in-lore reason to have tags falls apart.
Well, it literally takes just a few strokes on the keyboard (to update the old stroke of a pen adage) to change that. I'm not advocating for it but rather just pointing it out.
Pacific wrote:
Sorry for late quote but this is brilliant
Thanks! Humor is about all I have to contribute besides questions as a perennial "almost getting into Infinity" poster.
LunarSol wrote:I love big models personally. I don't get the hate, but then again I like tactical rocks too.
I like them as well though I'm wary of the potential changes that may accompany them. For example, I enjoyed Apoc games once or twice a year as an avid 40k player from 3rd to 5th but really dislike the incorporation of superheavies into the core game that seemingly inevitably followed. I think it's a valid concern to bring up with Infinity as well given its origin as a skirmish game (similar to Rogue Trader). They've done a great job of avoiding game creep so far though unlike GW so I don't think it's a given personally.
Understand this:
Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
LunarSol wrote: I love big models personally. I don't get the hate, but then again I like tactical rocks too.
They always fit clumsily. I doubt that CB would make them as large as Knights in 40k which are just stupidly awkward to move around, but they still are either soft tissue and a waste of points or dominate the game and turn it into "kill the big monster" match. Plus one of infinity's selling points is how small it is, in terms of armies, so making a model that needs it's own carrying case...yeah, no.
Fortunately, it seems to be a KS boardgame thing, so i can safely ignore it.
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this:
Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
Feth right off with that BS, it isn't even true for modern 40K. Everyone has had to massively shift their lists solely around dealing with Imperial Knight armies, even to the point that terrain itself has had to change to deal with Knights. I also fondly remember how important CP was in 7th ed 40K, and how amazing negative armor modifiers were. Oh wait, neither of those fundamental changes to the core gameplay existed before 8th edition. ObSec, strategems, warlord traits, detachments, mortal fething wounds! 40K is a MASSIVELY different game every edition, and continually invalidates models that go out of production. Link Teams have existed since 1st edition. Wildcards vastly affect army comp, but don't change the fundamentals of the mechanics. If only there was a term 40K players used for something similar. There isn't, so I'll make up a brand new term right here on the spot, I think I'll call it "chasing the Meta", which is a great new term that no 40K player has ever said, because 40K has never had such game-changing mechanics as Infinity /rolleyes
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this: Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
Feth right off with that BS, it isn't even true for modern 40K. Everyone has had to massively shift their lists solely around dealing with Imperial Knight armies, even to the point that terrain itself has had to change to deal with Knights. I also fondly remember how important CP was in 7th ed 40K, and how amazing negative armor modifiers were. Oh wait, neither of those fundamental changes to the core gameplay existed before 8th edition. ObSec, strategems, warlord traits, detachments, mortal fething wounds! 40K is a MASSIVELY different game every edition, and continually invalidates models that go out of production. Link Teams have existed since 1st edition. Wildcards vastly affect army comp, but don't change the fundamentals of the mechanics. If only there was a term 40K players used for something similar. There isn't, so I'll make up a brand new term right here on the spot, I think I'll call it "chasing the Meta", which is a great new term that no 40K player has ever said, because 40K has never had such game-changing mechanics as Infinity /rolleyes
Link Teams came out with Human Sphere...which came out in N2.
Wildcards absolutely change the fundamentals of the mechanics, and they absolutely did not do it in a good way. Link Teams had a place before and they had restrictions to boot. They don't really have those anymore because the ever so delightful refusal to backdate units means that the new hotness gets garbage like Wildcards in their links while everyone else is left to rot until they get their little write-off before the next set of rotations into the vault. And if you really think that there's no "chasing the meta" in Infinity, you're kidding yourself.
Also, lol. CB doesn't "invalidate models that go out of production", eh? Let's ask the Exrah about that. Or anyone who had an AD unit that featured a HMG that got written out to be replaced with a Spitfire/Molotok. Or or or.
Whine about Knights in 40k all you want, but they weren't as gamebreaking as you make them out to be...provided you were willing to actually understand what you would be fighting against. Your hyperbole about terrain being forced to change to accommodate them is also amusing, as the change was people had to actually use terrain.
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warboss wrote: Are the Defiance exclusives (like the new Fat Yuan Yuan) still exclusives? Will the base game be offered at retail?
Yes they're still exclusive. Fat Yuan Yuan was not a Defiance exclusive, assuming we're talking about the one that came in a takeout food container. Their continued insistence is that there "will be alternative sculpts" for the Defiance stuff made available, which is just so ridiculous.
The game has not had any indications of being offered at retail.
warboss wrote: Are the Defiance exclusives (like the new Fat Yuan Yuan) still exclusives? Will the base game be offered at retail?
Defiance miniatures will likely all remain exclusive in their respective variant, but some of the more "important" units will receive a general release down the line or already have.
Kassandra Kusanagi is a decent example - her general release is already out, same with o-12 Saladin and Raoul Spector.
I'd expect a similar release for characters like Sforza, Shinobu and Valeria Gromoz, not so much for the generic units from Shashastii or o-12, which made Defiance near mandatory for people who play these factions.
It's a bit of a mixed bag with those Kickstarters. On one hand, not everyone is willing/able to drop 250 bucks for exclusive miniatures, but then again, I'd personally consider that to be well within reason for tabletop gaming if the intervals between campaigns don't become too narrow.
I'd happily drop that once every 1.5-2 years with no questions asked, but I can see why other people would not. Not caring about the game attached to the miniatures, you can also easily sell off all that stuff to cut down cost even further. I'll probably land at about 50 bucks spent in total, once wave two has arrived and I've sold all the stuff I'm not interested in, keeping most miniatures bar the duplicates and alternative character variants, which is a pretty good deal all things considered.
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this:
Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
I was referring to model counts, in universe size of models used (not scale creep though), and the concomitant massive increased barrier to entry that accompanies both (which is separate from but in addition to the universal cost per fig increase that all products have to some degree).
It's a bit of a mixed bag with those Kickstarters. On one hand, not everyone is willing/able to drop 250 bucks for exclusive miniatures, but then again, I'd personally consider that to be well within reason for tabletop gaming if the intervals between campaigns don't become too narrow.
I'd happily drop that once every 1.5-2 years with no questions asked, but I can see why other people would not. Not caring about the game attached to the miniatures, you can also easily sell off all that stuff to cut down cost even further. I'll probably land at about 50 bucks spent in total, once wave two has arrived and I've sold all the stuff I'm not interested in, keeping most miniatures bar the duplicates and alternative character variants, which is a pretty good deal all things considered.
I was only interested in a single model from the kickstarter (fat axe Yuan Yuan) and wasn't keen on parting it out and selling the remnants on the secondary market. Knowing that he was listed originally as an exclusive (and having a vague memory of the game itself mentioned as not being at retail), I figured I'd follow up just in case.
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this:
Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
Feth right off with that BS, it isn't even true for modern 40K. Everyone has had to massively shift their lists solely around dealing with Imperial Knight armies, even to the point that terrain itself has had to change to deal with Knights. I also fondly remember how important CP was in 7th ed 40K, and how amazing negative armor modifiers were. Oh wait, neither of those fundamental changes to the core gameplay existed before 8th edition. ObSec, strategems, warlord traits, detachments, mortal fething wounds! 40K is a MASSIVELY different game every edition, and continually invalidates models that go out of production. Link Teams have existed since 1st edition. Wildcards vastly affect army comp, but don't change the fundamentals of the mechanics. If only there was a term 40K players used for something similar. There isn't, so I'll make up a brand new term right here on the spot, I think I'll call it "chasing the Meta", which is a great new term that no 40K player has ever said, because 40K has never had such game-changing mechanics as Infinity /rolleyes
Link Teams came out with Human Sphere...which came out in N2.
Wildcards absolutely change the fundamentals of the mechanics, and they absolutely did not do it in a good way. Link Teams had a place before and they had restrictions to boot. They don't really have those anymore because the ever so delightful refusal to backdate units means that the new hotness gets garbage like Wildcards in their links while everyone else is left to rot until they get their little write-off before the next set of rotations into the vault. And if you really think that there's no "chasing the meta" in Infinity, you're kidding yourself.
Also, lol. CB doesn't "invalidate models that go out of production", eh?
Let's ask the Exrah about that. Or anyone who had an AD unit that featured a HMG that got written out to be replaced with a Spitfire/Molotok. Or or or.
Whine about Knights in 40k all you want, but they weren't as gamebreaking as you make them out to be...provided you were willing to actually understand what you would be fighting against. Your hyperbole about terrain being forced to change to accommodate them is also amusing, as the change was people had to actually use terrain.
Human Sphere came out in 2009, N2 wasn't until 2012. AD units with HMGs are still usable as the same unit with Spitfires, my old Haramaki are still usable as Tankos, my Magister Knights are about to become Teutonic Knights. All of those are pretty annoying, but they're small potatoes compared to other games. Where's my rules for Asdrubal Vect? New Drukhari codex next week, you think I'll get him? What about the Incubi with Blaster, you think he'll be WYSIWYG? I mean, by your logic I can't use Vect as a regular Ravager or Raider, and I can't use the Blaster as a normal Incubi w/ klaive, so they'd better be getting current rules.
You do make one truly great point, however. Whine about Wildcards all you want, but they weren't as gamebreaking as you make them out to be...provided you were willing to actually understand what you would be fighting against.
warboss wrote: Are the Defiance exclusives (like the new Fat Yuan Yuan) still exclusives? Will the base game be offered at retail?
Defiance was always KS-only and never intended for retail, so it's very possible that this TAG game also will be KS-exclusive. We'll probably get TAG-game exclusives and also regular versions of the resculpted TAGs with different poses. As for super-TAGs, I hope we don't see them. I really REALLY hope we don't. In regular Infinity, Magharibba Guard is already too large to use with a lot of terrain. Storywise, CB can justify it weasily enough ith the time jump and the Megalodron from Defiance generating an arms-race, but the only way to use Megalodron in regular Infinity is with a very specific 3-mission scenario pack where that's the point: fighting against the Megalodron. Super-TAGs as a special specific stand-alone game? Sure, I guess. But inevitably, people will want to bring those into regular games and I just don't want to see regular Infinity expand that way
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this: Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
I was referring to model counts, in universe size of models used (not scale creep though), and the concomitant massive increased barrier to entry that accompanies both (which is separate from but in addition to the universal cost per fig increase that all products have to some degree).
Still doesn't work, because some factions natively had large model counts. Ariadna and Haqqislam, for example, tended to be around 2 groups (meaning 20 figures). As Sectorials happened, that spread out a bit more to other factions too.
As an outsider looking in, I can get why you might have thought it--but it was most definitely not the case. And that's not even counting just flatout spam lists.
Kanluwen wrote: Understand this: Infinity has had a much heavier game creep than 40k ever has had. The difference is that CB is given leeway because they're a plucky bunch of underdogs or whatever. Link Teams, Wildcards, etc are far, far, far more game changing mechanics than anything GW has ever done.
Feth right off with that BS, it isn't even true for modern 40K. Everyone has had to massively shift their lists solely around dealing with Imperial Knight armies, even to the point that terrain itself has had to change to deal with Knights. I also fondly remember how important CP was in 7th ed 40K, and how amazing negative armor modifiers were. Oh wait, neither of those fundamental changes to the core gameplay existed before 8th edition. ObSec, strategems, warlord traits, detachments, mortal fething wounds! 40K is a MASSIVELY different game every edition, and continually invalidates models that go out of production. Link Teams have existed since 1st edition. Wildcards vastly affect army comp, but don't change the fundamentals of the mechanics. If only there was a term 40K players used for something similar. There isn't, so I'll make up a brand new term right here on the spot, I think I'll call it "chasing the Meta", which is a great new term that no 40K player has ever said, because 40K has never had such game-changing mechanics as Infinity /rolleyes
Link Teams came out with Human Sphere...which came out in N2.
Wildcards absolutely change the fundamentals of the mechanics, and they absolutely did not do it in a good way. Link Teams had a place before and they had restrictions to boot. They don't really have those anymore because the ever so delightful refusal to backdate units means that the new hotness gets garbage like Wildcards in their links while everyone else is left to rot until they get their little write-off before the next set of rotations into the vault. And if you really think that there's no "chasing the meta" in Infinity, you're kidding yourself.
Also, lol. CB doesn't "invalidate models that go out of production", eh? Let's ask the Exrah about that. Or anyone who had an AD unit that featured a HMG that got written out to be replaced with a Spitfire/Molotok. Or or or.
Whine about Knights in 40k all you want, but they weren't as gamebreaking as you make them out to be...provided you were willing to actually understand what you would be fighting against. Your hyperbole about terrain being forced to change to accommodate them is also amusing, as the change was people had to actually use terrain.
Human Sphere came out in 2009, N2 wasn't until 2012.
2nd Edition Revised has a publication date of 2008. September, if you want to get specific, putting it exactly a year before Human Sphere.
AD units with HMGs are still usable as the same unit with Spitfires, my old Haramaki are still usable as Tankos, my Magister Knights are about to become Teutonic Knights. All of those are pretty annoying, but they're small potatoes compared to other games. Where's my rules for Asdrubal Vect? New Drukhari codex next week, you think I'll get him? What about the Incubi with Blaster, you think he'll be WYSIWYG? I mean, by your logic I can't use Vect as a regular Ravager or Raider, and I can't use the Blaster as a normal Incubi w/ klaive, so they'd better be getting current rules.
Difference is that Vect and Incubi with blasters weren't up for sale as recently as the edition that canned them. The Hellcat HMG/Hacker blister was still up for sale a year or so on CB's own website after Hellcats lost their HMG profile. It took the Beyond Icestorm pack to finally drop for there to be a Hellcat with Spitfire model available.
But you knew that, I'm sure. Also cute how you dodged the Exrah remark. Or I guess, if you'd like a softball pitch, I could mention the Montesa Knight with LGL that came in the Shock Army starter that lasted ohhh...a year? Maybe two? And was called a "failure" by CB themselves because it wasn't a top-seller?
You do make one truly great point, however. Whine about Wildcards all you want, but they weren't as gamebreaking as you make them out to be...provided you were willing to actually understand what you would be fighting against.
Cute. Difference is that there were people who actively refused to actually learn how Knights worked. I fielded one as an ally for a Skitarii force, and despite my constant attempt to explain to people that "positioning actually matters against Knights" they'd just sit everything in front of it and shoot then whine that their stuff didn't work like it should have.
People understand how Wildcards work. There's no functional counter to them as it happens in the "listbuilding" stage. But if you want to pretend like it's working as intended to have Link Teams that feature exactly one of the unit that you're declaring it's a Link Team of? That's cool, I guess. You do you...but that ain't for me.
Although I guess I should also probably take a moment to quote one of those most delightfully welcoming meme quotes from the CB forum for Infinity Community.
doesn't make Knights any less tonka truck-sized, Action-Man style toys. Their inclusion pretty much sealed the deal on GW going all in on Sculpts Too Big.
LunarSol wrote:I love big models personally. I don't get the hate, but then again I like tactical rocks too.
I like them as well though I'm wary of the potential changes that may accompany them. For example, I enjoyed Apoc games once or twice a year as an avid 40k player from 3rd to 5th but really dislike the incorporation of superheavies into the core game that seemingly inevitably followed. I think it's a valid concern to bring up with Infinity as well given its origin as a skirmish game (similar to Rogue Trader). They've done a great job of avoiding game creep so far though unlike GW so I don't think it's a given personally.
I'd worry more if Infinity's core rules didn't inherently hate on large expensive pieces. Every edition change has largely been about trying and failing to make TAGs worth taking. Bigger and more expensive is not a positive.
Ah....I'm so glad I have certain bitter MFs on my ignore list. Comparing CB to GW is one of most laughable posits I've ever seen on the internet. On.The.Internet....EVER.
Man, I'd accuse you of not getting out much for saying that, but, none of us are getting out much these days, eh? Having lived through the 40k 2e to 3e debacle, and witnessed the WHFB to AoS debacle... yeah.
Keep the big minis in their own game. The 4'x4' table was already getting too crowded with so much list spamming in N3. I'm guessing it's toned down in N4. Megacolossalbehemothleviathan minis would... I shudder at the thought.
Infinity is not without it's faults for sure, but there is a fundamental difference to how both games are produced. It's quite obvious to me, after much time playing both games, that CB spend far more time fine-tuning their game, the balance and development of the rules, than GW do for 40k, and this difference has been further exemplified over recent editions. Infinity is dripping with clever pieces of design and rule mechanics, and I think it's only when you have played a great deal of different games that you recognise that and can appreciate it. In some ways you could say they have gone too far, because this attention to detail and breadth of complexity means that it can be a barrier to entry, and tournaments are often full of guys who live and breathe that complexity, and will absolutely rip the layman a new one (at least that has been my experience being on the receiving end )
If I had to use an analogy, I would see Infinity as a Japanese or German-made motorcycle. Beautifully designed, the gearbox is so well put together it clicks into gear like a Swiss watch, the engine is designed for optimum performance and economy and runs well despite a complexity that would be unachievable by other manufacturers (perhaps a V-configuration).
40k would be a US-made 12-cylinder monstrosity, using an engine lifted from a B29 bomber, with 6 bigwheels added and designed by Baron Munchenhausen. Great big open pipes belch out smoke and the engine barks into life with a cough and splutter as mounted speakers playing carnival music (complete with flashing lights) are drowned out by the guttural roar of an engine which struggles to reach 10mpg. But do you know what? No-one cares, it's a lot of fun and tremendously well presented, a brilliant concept and the 50 people wedged onto the back of it are cheering and laughing even as the wheels fall off and it drives into a ditch and explodes. The rider on the Infinity motorbike momentarily stops to scoff at the people running around on fire (who are still laughing), adjusts his roll-neck sweater, rimless spectacles and rubs his manicured goatee before riding off to the sound of German techno music.
Lol, no. WH40k is wholly and distinctly English. This was/is part of its charm over here. It is both familiar and, at the same time, utterly alien to us. There is nothing _American_ about it.
Although... what you described would make a cool scratch-built Ork vehicle.
Wildcards absolutely change the fundamentals of the mechanics, and they absolutely did not do it in a good way. Link Teams had a place before and they had restrictions to boot. They don't really have those anymore because the ever so delightful refusal to backdate units means that the new hotness gets garbage like Wildcards in their links while everyone else is left to rot until they get their little write-off before the next set of rotations into the vault. And if you really think that there's no "chasing the meta" in Infinity, you're kidding yourself.
This is something i agree with entirely. Infinity has pretty much slipped to the wayside for me since the N4 release when I saw they weren't shifting from this approach. The 'everyone gets everything' killed the personality of most armies. Icould see it coming the first time I played a Varuna player who had a game legal 'Fusilier' link team without a single fusilier in it.
Red Harvest wrote: Lol, no. WH40k is wholly and distinctly English. This was/is part of its charm over here. It is both familiar and, at the same time, utterly alien to us. There is nothing _American_ about it.
Although... what you described would make a cool scratch-built Ork vehicle.
It might've been 20 years ago, now it's virtually indistinguishable in tone to Warmachine. Any sense of irony or black humor is lost to time as GW unironically fluffs Imperium up as the good guys.
For those in the know, is the deal with the free Inquisitor specific only to ordering direct from CB or is that available through any retailer (whether FLGS or online)?
It's a thing through at least to local suppliers, and most of the previous launch deals were. Look around?
Also interestingly, the artwork has the basic PanO HMG instead of the gatling. Last minute change, or the sculptor grabbed the wrong gun's cad file when sculping?
The Sepulchrist Knights abandoned the battlefield as though they had just left a military parade. Proud in their head-to-toe blue armor and their dark robes billowing in the wind, they climbed into an aerotransport while the Yu Jing army watched them depart with a mix of admiration, respect, and relief.
The Sepulchrist Knights abandoned the battlefield as though they had just left a military parade. Proud in their head-to-toe blue armor and their dark robes billowing in the wind, they climbed into an aerotransport while the Yu Jing army watched them depart with a mix of admiration, respect, and relief.
Mat Ward walked so Corvus Belli could run.
So they're the Ultramarines of Infinity? Makes sense given the colors...
The Sepulchrist Knights abandoned the battlefield as though they had just left a military parade. Proud in their head-to-toe blue armor and their dark robes billowing in the wind, they climbed into an aerotransport while the Yu Jing army watched them depart with a mix of admiration, respect, and relief.
Mat Ward walked so Corvus Belli could run.
So they're the Ultramarines of Infinity? Makes sense given the colors...
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We march for PanO! Profit and Piety!
The Knights of the Holy Sepulchre have holofields. They were absolutely faking it.
Like a lot of model firms they've a constant battle today between providing customers with high diversity whilst keeping the bloat of their ranges stocking options low.
So you see more and more using these more expensive all in one packs rather than blisters.
In part its driven by stores having less space per game because the market has far more on the go. Another is that distributors are also less willing to stock more and more diversity of models so its easier to get them to stock fewer bigger boxes which then get passed onto the retailers.
The last thing you want is a huge sku with no stores stocking enough of the range to make it work and distributors only stocking the newest and leaving huge amounts of your game inaccessible (easily) to your customers.
Many of those who have resisted the change are often simply used to selling direct to their customers.
I understand. I was just asking as I saw that the bigger figs from ARF starter like the bikers and various Antipodes/Dogfaces got separate releases (that was the last release I followed closely). I'm on the cusp of picking up the Military Orders set and want two Sepulchre Knights but not doubles of everything else so figured I'd ask if there was a baseline to expect.
Kanluwen wrote: The bikers and Devil Dogs were not the same as the retail release.
Thanks. I didn't catch the different weapon on the Devil Dog in the separate pack. It is indeed a different loadout. I suppose they'll likely do the same with the Sepulchre Knight as well I suppose by putting out the other weapon loadout.
Probably. I can't recall the last time they split up one of the army collection boxes into blisters, so if you want to start the panoceania space marines, i'd seriously consider the preorder pack they had in march.
Cronch wrote: Probably. I can't recall the last time they split up one of the army collection boxes into blisters, so if you want to start the panoceania space marines, i'd seriously consider the preorder pack they had in march.
Thanks. Also, I prefer PrimarO but I'll also accept Panostartes.
Raptors are amazing, Tankhunter lady is very good, Tohaa bioconstructs are neat. Shona is meh, but I didn't like the LE model either, it's just a boring design.
I was just playing with potential Shesvastii lists for whenever Defiance arrives and wondering if I need to fit in Dukash.... thanks for the reminder that yes, yes I do.
As for TAG Raid, I'm a bit surprised (but probably shouldn't be) that they're designing new mining specific TAGs for the game instead of just bits to add to existing ones so as not to bloat the lines further.
These are Chaksa, which are a Tohaa unit, and the Longarms came out with Spiral Corps (they’re a unit there and in Tohaa). By all accounts, they’re a pretty poor unit game-wise, so hopefully they’re getting an updated profile, or they’ll probably just not be used in another 4 sectorials...
I'm a bit baffled at the industrial focus of Tag Raid, I thought that tags were expensive, specialized military machines, designed to replace MBTs due to their ease of transport and deployment, so a mining company would go for much cheaper, less complex caterpillar drill...but I guess it's just a side game, so it hardly matters. Not interested at all.
The teutonic knights and Wild Bill were pretty neat tho, and I'm glad to see the Shang Ji back, I remember when they were the New and Improved Invincible 2.0
Military TAGs are expensive, specialized units intended not to replace tanks, but to give a heavy weapons platform suitable for the low level, mostly urban, conflicts the forces engage in, tactical military grade gear, specialized low noise modifications, armour strong enouph but light enouph ectr ectr make them expensive, "gears" in general are useful in environments a conventional vehicle would not fit but a larger human frame would be useful, such civilian grade gears exist and their existence in Dawn is already mentioned.
So...they're designed to replace tanks. A tank is a heavy weapon platform, and a tag replaces it in "modern" infinity setting army because it's lighter and easier to transport while still providing heavy firepower. They fill the same niche as tanks, but in a smaller package.
As to civilian tags (which can't be called tags, they're not Tactical if they're civvie gear...), i did not know they were mentioned before, where is it? Genuinely curious, is it in one of the old books, or did i miss it somewhere in the current edition core book?
A TAG cannot outpace a tank, is less armoured and carries lighter weaponry, it can fill some of the more mundane roles a tank fills (or a light armoured vehicle) but not all the specialized functions a tank would fill, but they are lighter easier to transport and their usual operating theaters do not need massive gaps of land to be traversed so they are more suited to be active than tanks who are more of a "total war" unit.
There are mentions of civilian mining gears in the old books iirc were Ariadna is mentioned (and Caledonians in particular) trying to militarize mining frames in order to circumvent the unspoken ban on TAG sales they have from both PanO and Yu Jing who do not want them to have TAGs as that would interfere more to their projects to exploit the "free zone".
You described a light tank. A tank is a self-propelled weapon system capable of destroying other armored and infantry targets, armored to withstand fire from majority of weapons present on the battlefield. A tag is exactly that too.
Well you need the tactical and strategic option of creating and exploiting enemy line gaps, fast and deep penetration of enemy lines to disrupt supply lines ectr.
A TAG can be viewed as a localized tank or a squad support platform, depending on the circumstances.
Cronch wrote: You described a light tank. A tank is a self-propelled weapon system capable of destroying other armored and infantry targets, armored to withstand fire from majority of weapons present on the battlefield. A tag is exactly that too.
Calling a TAG a "light tank" is like calling a motorcycle (or a reinforced jeep) a "scout tank".
A TAG may weather combi-rifle fire reasonably well, but they're vulnerable to same sort of weapons used against medium and heavy infantry, without the need for specialized weaponry.
...yes, because otherwise the whole game would be reduced to "hunt the kajiu with panzerfausts" , like any game of 40k with a superheavy becomes "Kill th superheavy"(whch also can be hurt with a basic weapon). It's a tabletop convention (just like weapon ranges, there is zero way a 22nd century rifle becomes "-6" inaccurate at 100 meters), not simulation of reality.
There are heavier, more and better armed and armoured units in Infinity than a TAG, tanks included, they are not part of the scope of the game and the lore, consider them "in storage" for the minor, usually undercover or spontaneous, skirmishes that happen in Infinity.
yeah that' not quite what the lore in core book says, but i've long since accepted everyone in this community has their own headcanon and sticks to it, so really whatever At least the tag raid models will not be usable in Infinity so it's no big deal.
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These Karakuri totally need Hello Kitty faces.
This is a repack.
I like the Muktar and will probably get it. I wish that monk fit on its base. Geez. Enough with the wide stance nonsense. Very few people ever spread there feet that far apart. Try it some time. The base is ~1.2 - 1.3 meters wide. (~48- 51 inches) Pull some groin muscles much?
The designs are...nice, but do nothing for me. I think the concept is kinda meh? It'd be fun boardgame to compete in ore production while using some over the top factional abilities (like sneaking in antipodes into enemy camp), but as a tactical combat game about humanoid mining equipment...eh
warboss wrote: I'm getting less and less excited about Tag Raid with every preview.
Ya, this.
TAG are the reason I got into Infinity and yet they've manage to make a game about TAGs with none of the appeal of TAGS. Starting to remind me of that Battletech clix game and its disturbing focus on mining mechs. I'm getting a Monty Python's Re-enactment of Pearl Harbor vibe from this game.
This focus on board game style games has zero appeal to me. Obviously I'm not the target market, but the community has been crying out for a space ship-level game and a fantasy game for years. Good on CB for doing what they want over the loudest voices, but I can't help ubt think they're limiting their appeal with these projects.
I'd genuinely be interested to see how well Defiance would have done if it had not been made clear that sculpts from it would not see general releases for a significant amount of time.
Shadow Walker wrote: I would love to see the Defiance in retail with plastic minis so the wider audience can enjoy it and lear about the Infinity universe etc.
You aren't allowed to say the "P" word around hardcore infinity fans, it gets them all worked up. If I learned anything from my time on the Corvus Belli forums they like their metal and saying otherwise is sacrilege.
Something like TAG raid seems perfect for sticking at a Barnes and Noble, game store, or normal retailers if it was in colored plastics. I am thinking something sold like Blitzbowl or Combat Arena, which work as a pick up board game even by strangers.
I have no problems with plastic, gimme plastic starters, but I don't think it'd be actually viable investment sadly. I'd rather CB doesn't Wyrd itself in the process...
"Best white metal miniatures on the market" is one of their biggest value propositions, so I wouldn't bet on them making the transition to plastics anytime soon.
Aristeia! has plastic pieces, and the Megalodron in Defiance is plastic. I'd venture to guess that CB will keep the Infinity minis in metal, but will use plastics more in new offerings, especially if they continue moving into boardgame territory. I don't seem them *wyrding* themselves. The few Wyrd plastics I have were a nightmare to assemble. Too many delicate pieces in a medium-- plastic -- that is a very poor choice for delicate pieces.
We should be getting a Crimson Stone reveal week next month, and probably some sort of teaser for it in the next studio update. Corregidor v. Kosmoflot, IIRC, are the factions.
Like I said, I think we won't see plastics because...none of what they do is probably moving in quantities enough to justify it. How many Zanshis will you need after all.
It'd make sense if Tag Raid was self-contained product with 6 plastic tags and sprue of weapon ends to customize them (interchangeable drills, laser cutters etc), but not the main game.
As for "wyrding" i mostly meant completely demolishing their release schedule by going into plastic and having things out of stock for months or years...
In the long run sticking with metal will stunt the game growth as a lot of people hate it vs like it (I've come to dislike it over the years and early N3 models are part of the reason) but I don't think they've hit that point of popularity yet.
That being said they should move to resin for their TAGs and possibly HI as metal just is not that good of a material for those. Warmahordes is a good one to look at their identity use to be everything in metal even when it didn't make sense. Now they're mostly resin and have some of the best gaming resin out there and it's really benefited their designs.
Monkeysloth wrote: In the long run sticking with metal will stunt the game growth as a lot of people hate it vs like it (I've come to dislike it over the years and early N3 models are part of the reason) but I don't think they've hit that point of popularity yet.
That being said they should move to resin for their TAGs and possibly HI as metal just is not that good of a material for those. Warmahordes is a good one to look at their identity use to be everything in metal even when it didn't make sense. Now they're mostly resin and have some of the best gaming resin out there and it's really benefited their designs.
I'd argue the somewhat complex rules already limit the popularity and we again hit the wall of cost- switching most things to plastic would be horrendously costly and pretty much force CB to cut their product ranges in half if not more- rn they have a lot of "duplicate" units that vary very slightly in each army, if you go plastic, it will never be cost-effective to make them all.
I would welcome resin tags though, assuming CB can get the same quality of casting. Resin has it's own learning curve when it comes to that (and how long it took PP to figure their resin skills out).
Monkeysloth wrote: In the long run sticking with metal will stunt the game growth as a lot of people hate it vs like it (I've come to dislike it over the years and early N3 models are part of the reason) but I don't think they've hit that point of popularity yet.
That being said they should move to resin for their TAGs and possibly HI as metal just is not that good of a material for those. Warmahordes is a good one to look at their identity use to be everything in metal even when it didn't make sense. Now they're mostly resin and have some of the best gaming resin out there and it's really benefited their designs.
I'd argue the somewhat complex rules already limit the popularity and we again hit the wall of cost- switching most things to plastic would be horrendously costly and pretty much force CB to cut their product ranges in half if not more- rn they have a lot of "duplicate" units that vary very slightly in each army, if you go plastic, it will never be cost-effective to make them all.
I agree on that and think it's smart of them to have started their exploring plastic, even if just PVC, and manufacture overseas with a new spin off game. It allows them to learn the process (including how sculpting is different) without disrupting the main game/income source. If they ever decide they need to move more into plastic it will be less of a disruption for them.
I would welcome resin tags though, assuming CB can get the same quality of casting. Resin has it's own learning curve when it comes to that (and how long it took PP to figure their resin skills out).
Resin does take some effort but larger things like TAGs would be much simpler to learn the material with then humans. Plus resin doesn't get the forums all up in arms as most of them were expecting the Magharba to be resin when the redesign came out.
Plastic is a big hurdle, even with some of the tech and machines being cheaper than it was 20 years ago its still a huge risk. You can end up like PP with a less than stella formula that customers don't like much; or you can end up like Wyrd with a decent plastic but a nightmare of parting choices.
The other thing is once you've done it you're committed to it as a small firm because going back is a hard thing.
Ontop of that you need to ramp up marketing for big sales to ensure that your plastic shifts in high volume (which is basically the whole point of going plastic). Which might mean alot of marketing money all before your plastic hits the shelves. Which if you're not going all plastic all at once, might well impact supply of your metal and resin cast models.
It's a challenge and whilst some firms have done well, others have floundered and some sunk going the plastic path.
I think the Infinity team are comfortable where things are now; any expansion would be great ,but its a big lump cost and a big investment. They could do what GW did and save for a long whlie and then do it themselves; or they could take out loans/investors and then if it fails they've still got big repayments.
I suspect the plastics we've seen are just a result of working with companies that manufacture them as part of the rest of their board game products. You've got a company making the boards and cards and special dice and whatever else that also makes PVC board game figures, you might as well use them and get the stuff put in the box then and there.
Other than that, plastics just don't make a lot of sense for Infinity. I don't think the sales even come close to justifying HIPs and PVC would just be a disaster for them. Resin is a maybe, but the number of models that they have that could really use resin effectively doesn't seem terribly worth it either.
Resin is a side step though in that it wouldn't really change their operation in a drastic way. They'd have a new material, but it still requires the same kind of production as metals in that its labour intensive. So the risks are far smaller. Not sure about the gains, but that would depend on resin vs metal prices and also the fluidity of those prices - I know one reason GW wanted out of metal was that the price of it kept changing (often going up too); which at the volumes they cast at, made it very hard to forecast their finances.
They didn't have to go PVC for Aristia!. They easily could have stayed with metal especially for the expansions.
I do think they wanted to learn what is was to produce and work with a plastic factory not because I think they planned on Infinity being plastic anytime soon but Carlos has stated for years they'd be interested in it if they could own the whole process and manufacture locally which is expensive to set up anywhere. Having a boardgame with plastic is a low risk way of gaining some experience for making that decision even if they don't decide to do it for 10-15 years due to their market size (or potentially never).
I disagree with the resin as it's not much more space then metal casting and would allow them do expand their TAG designs in a way that metal wont. Plus the price really wouldn't be much different at the TAG size anyway for the consumer and you wouldn't have models that felt like they were going to fall apart just from moving them.
Also they have to be making resin masters unless they've got a really expensive printer and spending the time to clean it up as I don't see print lines on their models unlike, say, Modiphis's resin (it's very faint, tends to need magnification to see and not noticeable once painted but the lines are there).
On one hand, resin tags would be much easier to construct and less likely to shatter on taking a tumble. On the other, I don't want *larger* tags, ever, and CB models are all undercuts, so it'd wear out rubber mould for resin in record time...and I remember getting worn out mould resin from spartan, it wasn't fun.
oh lol, i remember seeing those fantasy figures in their online store...and those like, 10-page black and white booklets of rules that came with the initial starter sets (i think...it's been a while).
I'm like the sculpt but I think they hired the 5th edition Space Wolves writer to name that fig. It might still be an improvement over the English language contortionist naming scheme that gives us words like interventor though.
Wolfgang Amadeus Wolff. I'm hoping that name's a joke monkeying GW's naming trend.
I think the "tabard" thingy is nomad armor, some of their units have something similar
There's three different bits going on for his torso.
There's the sleeveless vest/coat on top.
A bit that looks like it's the Nomad Alguacile 'body armor' that's the middle bit.
Nomad bodysuit as the base layer.
Siygess wrote: While I dont care for the dual wielding knife guy on the Ariadna side, everything else is looking pretty good in those tiny, tiny pictures.
Edit: Though I'm guessing he's in a Dire Foes box to be released alongside Crimson Stone.
Would be a good guess, since it shows him with Jazz(a Nomad) and an unarmed HVT.
Kanluwen wrote: There's three different bits going on for his torso.
There's the sleeveless vest/coat on top.
A bit that looks like it's the Nomad Alguacile 'body armor' that's the middle bit.
Nomad bodysuit as the base layer.
The paldron and backpack are also Nomad based. I painted both fairly recently, but I can't pin them down. I want to say the backpack is from a Heckler though.
warboss wrote: I'm like the sculpt but I think they hired the 5th edition Space Wolves writer to name that fig. It might still be an improvement over the English language contortionist naming scheme that gives us words like interventor though.
I mean... interventor is spanish, not english . It means auditor, financial controller or comptroller. It's kind of the same as if you see "marine" in a spanish text, marine being an english word that means "infante de marina" in spanish.
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B0B MaRlEy wrote: Wolfgang Amadeus Wolff. I'm hoping that name's a joke monkeying GW's naming trend.
I think the "tabard" thingy is nomad armor, some of their units have something similar
I think it's more probable that it was someone's PC on an RPG campaign.
warboss wrote: I'm like the sculpt but I think they hired the 5th edition Space Wolves writer to name that fig. It might still be an improvement over the English language contortionist naming scheme that gives us words like interventor though.
I mean... interventor is spanish, not english . It means auditor, financial controller or comptroller. It's kind of the same as if you see "marine" in a spanish text, marine being an english word that means "infante de marina" in spanish.
I didn't know that and thanks. I'll have to take that one off my list as I figured it was a bastardization of "intervention". Next you'll be telling me all those primaris unit names make sense in some other language too...
warboss wrote: I'm like the sculpt but I think they hired the 5th edition Space Wolves writer to name that fig. It might still be an improvement over the English language contortionist naming scheme that gives us words like interventor though.
I mean... interventor is spanish, not english . It means auditor, financial controller or comptroller. It's kind of the same as if you see "marine" in a spanish text, marine being an english word that means "infante de marina" in spanish.
I didn't know that and thanks. I'll have to take that one off my list as I figured it was a bastardization of "intervention". Next you'll be telling me all those primaris unit names make sense in some other language too...
Well... some, actually, although in that case it might just be a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.
Interventor is Latin, as is moderator ( interventrix and moderatrix would be the female form) But since Spanish is essentially modern Latin, no hay problema. A fair number of people at CB speak Gallego (Galician) and use that as a source of names too. Irmandinhos for example.
Red Harvest wrote: Interventor is Latin, as is moderator ( interventrix and moderatrix would be the female form) But since Spanish is essentially modern Latin, no hay problema. A fair number of people at CB speak Gallego (Galician) and use that as a source of names too. Irmandinhos for example.
Sure. Same as french or italian are modern latin, or any of the other romance languages. Same as english is essentially west germanic I guess.
Red Harvest wrote: Interventor is Latin, as is moderator ( interventrix and moderatrix would be the female form) But since Spanish is essentially modern Latin, no hay problema. A fair number of people at CB speak Gallego (Galician) and use that as a source of names too. Irmandinhos for example.
The fact that those words exist and they likely know it and yet we have no cheesecake nomad models to utilize such obviously low hanging fruit suggestive names makes me think Carlos has been asleep at the wheel.
Prices are rising for everything. Thanks, ironically enough, to China, supplier of cheap goods to the world.
I'm surprised, not that this leak has happened, but that this leak has happened now. GenCon is not until mid-September. I would have expected this in elate July to mid-August.
Albertorius wrote: Also, "-trix" is not really a suffix in spanish, so... not really. "Interventrix" and "moderatrix" (sic) would be "interventora" and "moderadora".
True, but I did specify they were Latin. Would moderatrice and interventrice be acceptable in Euro-Spanish ( which is not to be confused with the American Spanishes.) There already exists actor, actrice and emperador, emperatrice, etc. I suppose I could ask La Real Academia de Espana. Not that people on this side of the Atlantic pay attention to it.
CB does all right with names as long as they are Western European. It's when they select names from Slavic languages and Asian languages, and elsewhere that we see interesting results.
Red Harvest wrote: True, but I did specify they were Latin. Would moderatrice and interventrice be acceptable in Euro-Spanish ( which is not to be confused with the American Spanishes.) There already exists actor, actrice and emperador, emperatrice, etc. I suppose I could ask La Real Academia de España. Not that people on this side of the Atlantic pay attention to it.
No, they would not. Those words do not exist. Emperatriz and actriz do, though. And as I said, the suffix "-trix" do not exist in spanish, although "triz" does (at a limited capacity, though, when compared with the more common "-a"). I am a translator by trade and a nitpicker by heart, so those things tend to stick.
Also, although the common name is indeed RAE, or Real Academia Española (Royal Spanish Academy), the full name is actual Royal Academy of the Spanish Language, and it's been working alongside the other twenty existing academies in America since their inception in the 1870s. Plus, since 1999 and the publishing of the latest Ortography, all the RAE's works have been done in conjunction and with the revision of all the aforementioned panhispanic academies (The Pan-Hispanic Dictionary of Questions, the Student's Dictionary, the New Grammar of the Spanish Language, the Dictionary of American Idioms, the Orthography of the Spanish Language, The Good Use of the Spanish Language and the Dictionary of the Spanish Language).
So they kinda do, actually
All that said... yes, CB has no problem with names inside their area of expertise ^^, and outside all bets are off. Not the worst offender by a long shot, though, and I say this as the translator of L5R for the last 15 years xD.
Good to know. And looking at what I wrote, I used French suffixes for some reason, so yeah, not acceptable Spanish at all.
Current amusing name is the Vostok, which among other things is a watch brand that made watches for the Soviet Military. Yuri Gagarin wore one of their watches into space. In a way it does fit with the Kosmoflot.
Red Harvest wrote: Good to know. And looking at what I wrote, I used French suffixes for some reason, so yeah, not acceptable Spanish at all.
Current amusing name is the Vostok, which among other things is a watch brand that made watches for the Soviet Military. Yuri Gagarin wore one of their watches into space. In a way it does fit with the Kosmoflot.
Modératrice is actually a proper French word, although the other would be Intervenante I guess.
It's not like "Intervention" isn't derived from latin anyway.
Getting the discussion back to the upcoming Operation: Blood Stone,
what do you think will make up the Ariadnan half? Kosmoflot's basic infantry seems to be the Rokots, so likely 3 of those. I'm expecting a Para-Commando as we've seen their redesign to be less Frenchy and more space-attired, a Zenit-7 model to have a Camo sniper in there and either a Volkolak (Space wulvers!) or a Kosmosoldat to have a heavy infantry model. Volkolaks have 4 profiles, so they might be better fitting for a 4-guys box.
Cronch wrote: 3 rokots, para, kosmosoldat, wolkolak and zenit seem sensible, i don't remember if any of them can be an LT off the top of my head though?
I think you have 1 too many in your list, starters are usually 6-members strong, in 2 player boxes at least. Rokots and Kosmosoldats can be Lt so one more thing that make me think it'd be a Kosmosoldat in the starter rather than a volkolak
Edit: actually, stand alone starters were 6 guys, but the 2 player sets had an extra on each side, so your lineup is probably right
Yeah, who knows what the box exclusive will be. Thing is, now that CB releases the 7 minis in combination with the 3 found in the Beyond sets once they've done with the Battle Box, will there even be a 6 mini box available.
Quick update. In the Crimson Stone box, for those who couldn't tell from the photo ( like I could not)
Crimson Stone Week starts 5 July. Next Monday the hype begins. I expect very nice minis, some intriguing terrain, and other bits of coolness. It'll probably be the same terrain style we've seen in recent boxes, but given the space theme of the sectorials, 'twould be nice to see something different and more space station-like.
I hope Caledonians get an update to their model range eventually, and the random mish-mash of their units within Kosmoflot doesn't mean they're getting replaced.
The Russian half of Kosmoflot is interesting enough on it's own, they don't need the highlanders and they clash thematically anyway.
Stick to metal, if they go resin or plastic I'll drop them like I dropped Warmachine. Infinity metals are still cheaper for me than the average GW kit, even with the new price hike. Metal has more value than resin or plastic as a material and as long as they remain competitive price wise I see no reason to change anything. Bonus points to metal for keeping artist's obsession with scale creep and dioramas in check. Infinity doesn't need the Titan level madness that has infected GW and PP.
The visuals are meh, which are sad concerning how cool TAGs should be. My real problem is this seems to be a mining bot death match game. It's a game nobody asked for and seems a very contrived circumstance to get non-military TAGs into wrestling matches.
) but the bar was so low on that.
