I want to share with you some thoughts on the latest issues regarding communications about Infinity N4.
I’d like to clarify that our intention is to make a single launch of N4, with all the available factions and sectorials included from day one. But I’d also like to remind you that ours is a small company whose resources are limited, which means that, in case we don’t get to the deadline in time -either because the game development team couldn’t change and test all profiles in time or because the IT team (external and internal) didn’t manage to have the Army in time-, we would work on an action plan and a schedule to upload the profiles in a scaled way. All these movements would be made public, of course. It’s crucial for us that the profiles are not only available from day one, but that they also meet the quality that all of you, our community, deserve.
I’m confirming that the factions and sectorials currently not for sale (discontinued these past years) will not be available in Infinity N4 on day 1, they will be added gradually during 2020 (we will provide a schedule) and will be visually distinguished from those factions/sectorials that do have products for sale. The idea is that a new player doesn’t get confused by having product profiles that can’t be found in the market.
Why not including them on the first day?
Basically, we don’t have the resources to change all those profiles and upload them to Army. Once again, our resources are limited L
I wanted to make this statement in first person because I’d like to convey that behind the screen there’s us, Corvus Belli’s workers, who come to the office every day hoping to give our best, that if something characterizes us is our closeness to you, we’ve always been there answering your questions, being transparent and meeting your expectations. Of course, we make mistakes from time to time, but we put all our passion into everything we do. We have a single goal: making Infinity sustainable, that it may grow, and that all of us may find our place in the hobby. In short, we enjoy our passion.
Thank you so much for your comprehension, let’s continue enjoying our hobby, and let’s get crazy with Operation Kaldstorm.
Seems fine with me.
My preference for the roll out is:
1) Everything all at once
2) All current factions -> discontinued factions
3) Vanilla factions -> sectorials
4) Vanilla factions -> current sectorials -> discontinued factions
5) Vanilla factions -> year long roll out of all sectorials one or two at a time.
6) Vanilla factions -> year long roll out of all current sectorials one or two at a time -> (eventually) discontinued factions
So I am super happy they went with option 2!
I also think not including the retired/discontinued factions in the initial roll out will likely lead to a better, more well tested game from day 1 (since they are removing 3+ factions from the initial playtest).
I'm certain that we will see all the factions at the start, so that vanilla army lists for any faction are possible. Honestly, there are too many sectorials these days, with the NA2 explosion, 7 sectorials. Well, 6 if you consider the Spiral Corps is essentially the Tohaa. Adding them in may make it easier on everyone. I always thought it best to learn to play vanilla lists before trying sectorials anyway.
Just make certain the units in the delayed sectorials are playable in vanilla, like they are now.
Also, Adepticon, will it cancel due to the CoVid-19 pandemic?
Dysartes wrote: What's the current list of discontinued factions and sectorials (and which are which?)?
Off the top of my head, Aconticimento and soon to be Neoterra for PanO, Merovingia for Ariadna, Qapu Khalqi for Haqqislam, and Tohaa (some of which are still around in Spiral Corps).
I just wish they kept around legacy profiles for the defunct units and sectorials. Like, what are people supposed to do if, say, they built a full SAA army? Just throw them away and reinvest in a whole new faction?
Barzam wrote: I just wish they kept around legacy profiles for the defunct units and sectorials. Like, what are people supposed to do if, say, they built a full SAA army? Just throw them away and reinvest in a whole new faction?
The profiles are still there for all the sectorials who have been discontinued. They’re still perfectly playable until the end of N3. They won’t be in N4 from the start, but they’ll be rolled out with N4 rules.
Artichokes, not broccoli. They're still around in the Spiral Corps sectorial at any rate, so all is not lost for those benighted souls who like tat particularly vile vegetable.
I think that at this point, we are going to have to wait for a long time to hear which sectorials are going to be delayed, apart from the ones we already know.
We get the Kaldstrom video tomorrow. That'll be nice. Maybe some news about Code One too.
Barzam wrote: I just wish they kept around legacy profiles for the defunct units and sectorials. Like, what are people supposed to do if, say, they built a full SAA army? Just throw them away and reinvest in a whole new faction?
They are doing exactly that. Nothing has gone away and nothing is going away forever, except for those very select few individual models when N2 to N3 hit (like the original YJ Ko-Dali and the 3 Exrah for CA like the Caskuda that Alpharius won't shut up about). When CB discontinued models for a sectorial in N3 they actually gave them an update in the rules for N3 so everything is currently fully supported by the rules still. And CB have said they're keeping the N3 armybuilder up for people to still use if they want to stay with N3, it will be a separate armybuilder from N4.
As for the discontinued sectorials moving forward to N4, they are getting rules by the end of the year but not at the initial launch of N4, CB is concentrating on playtesting currently produced models and the new stuff coming out, then they'll update the discontinued profiles & sectorials to N4. That may mean you have some models even in vanilla that don't have rules for the first few months of N4, but after that they'll still be fully playable and legal for the new edition
I don't think Tohaa were ever particularly popular outside of the fact that they were pretty far above the curve power wise and CB never seemed like they could quite make them work the way they wanted.
Ah good, so they are going to ave legacy rules for discontinued factions. Good, no need to bed wet about completely losing the ability to use my Neoterrans. I probably should buy that Uhlan/Tikbalang box before they're kaput as well.
Adepticon is cancelled, so no Bostria seminar. I'm hoping for a nice video of what he planned to present, along with the Kaldstrom reveal we get tomorrow.
Barzam wrote: I just wish they kept around legacy profiles for the defunct units and sectorials. Like, what are people supposed to do if, say, they built a full SAA army? Just throw them away and reinvest in a whole new faction?
They are doing exactly that. Nothing has gone away and nothing is going away forever, except for those very select few individual models when N2 to N3 hit (like the original YJ Ko-Dali and the 3 Exrah for CA like the Caskuda that Alpharius won't shut up about).
What?!?
I haven't mentioned (the beloved) Caskuda in...a long time.
However, it has clearly made an impression on...some people...and if that is part of my legacy?
It was a tragically underappreciated model for the Combined Army that had an absolutely fantastic way of arriving to the battle - and then was a good T.A.G. equivalent after that.
With a good paint-job, it was a really nice looking alien model.
Red Harvest wrote:Oh geez, now you're just winding him up.
The Caskuda was a Combined Army Tag. Caskuda, or cascuda, is Galician for cockroach, BTW.
The Knights look as boring and uninspired as I sadly expected.
Shame they caved to the whining about "wE nEeD FeMaLe kNiGhTs!!!", since it was supposed to be a big difference between the Observance and the Church and it didn't prevent female models in the Sectorial thanks to the Crusader Brethren(they're not Knights) and the Order Sergeants(again, not Knights) and it dilutes further what made Joan of Arc so special in the faction.
Kanluwen wrote: The Knights look as boring and uninspired as I sadly expected.
Shame they caved to the whining about "wE nEeD FeMaLe kNiGhTs!!!", since it was supposed to be a big difference between the Observance and the Church and it didn't prevent female models in the Sectorial thanks to the Crusader Brethren(they're not Knights) and the Order Sergeants(again, not Knights) and it dilutes further what made Joan of Arc so special in the faction.
Did we really need more knights in the first place?
The yellow side looks cooler. No silly base extensions too.
Can someone explain where I need to order to get all the special limited edition minis here?
Can I preorder from a FLGS or online at MiniatureMarket? Or is the whole package only available through the CB website?
It's unclear as of right now. CB is saying that only via them is the way to get the Monk, but the rest will be available elsewhere.
Kanluwen is correct. Typically the preorder model is only available if you preorder through them. They have quite expensive shipping to the US, and you probably will not get it before they are in stores. However if you really want that model...
It's unclear as of right now. CB is saying that only via them is the way to get the Monk, but the rest will be available elsewhere.
Kanluwen is correct. Typically the preorder model is only available if you preorder through them. They have quite expensive shipping to the US, and you probably will not get it before they are in stores. However if you really want that model...
Just so we're clear:
The preorder model(in this case, the Ninja) for the big box is never "just" through them.
The Monk is a "bundle model" that is currently only available via them(which is a marked difference to last year, where the con model was available through any route).
It's unclear as of right now. CB is saying that only via them is the way to get the Monk, but the rest will be available elsewhere.
Kanluwen is correct. Typically the preorder model is only available if you preorder through them. They have quite expensive shipping to the US, and you probably will not get it before they are in stores. However if you really want that model...
I've ordered from CB to the US before. Generally you end up getting things before it Gamenerdz or Miniaturemarket gets it. Sometimes the price is decent enough that you're only paying about $20 after shipping over what you would with a local store after shipping. But in the past they've released a special ITS box at the same time as their spring release so that helps offset the shipping cost if you get both, would be surprised if they do that this time around but it would be announced this week if they follow their normal pattern. Shipping from Spain is fairly expensive for europe as the government sets the minimum price so there's no real competition on that end.
- Two six man starters in the set.
- A seventh model for each side exclusive to the set.
- Finally, a fifteenth model exclusive for preordering the set. It's often unclear whether this requires preordering from CB, but historically this model has always been in the first print run of the set that goes to stores too. I've always gotten them when I buy locally.
It's never been "unclear" about the models for the 2 player boxes and if you need to preorder or not. They come packaged in the boxes for the first run of production, so they're there unless someone mispacks it.
Kanluwen wrote: It's never been "unclear" about the models for the 2 player boxes and if you need to preorder or not. They come packaged in the boxes for the first run of production, so they're there unless someone mispacks it.
The Monk is a different kettle of fish entirely, and is currently being said as "exclusive to CB webstore".
I feel like I read/heard that the monk will be available later on in a blister. IDK if the CB preorder bundle is a unique sculpt.
Looks like the pkg (Kalstrom box w/ ninja + New Dire Foes box + the exclusive monk) is exclusive to the CB website.
With the current state of affairs who knows when any of this stuff will make it out of Spain...
Looks a little PanO, but I like that a lot! I would imagine if ninjas were still a thing, they'd be pretty tacti-cool, so I'm totally cool with this interpretation.
45 minutes to play, but how much time to set up? I could play a game of N2 and pre-HSN3 N3 in under 90 minutes or so, easily.
Alpharius wrote: I'm in for a Kaldo-box, for the PanO half of that box, with the hope I can shift the Yu Jing half to someone else!
I felt that way about the Yu Jing in Red Veil, but I ended up keeping them because they were nice looking minis. I also made a point to get them, and the beyond minis, all painted up. So, oddly enough, I have 300 points of painted Yu Jing. and the Zhanshi from the Vallejo paint set, which I need to paint, the Zhanshi, not the paint set. These Yu Jing minis look pretty nice, and I'll keep them too.
Sooooo........ no one is going to talk about the new crit mechanic for N4? OK, I'll go *cracks knuckles*
Carlos on Mayacast said the new crit mechanic will follow the same rules as current, but inctsant of insta-wound it will cause two armour rolls (dependant on the ammo being used).
The idea was to allow people who invested in higher armour values to have more reliance on that investment.
So just a chance for double damage? or just one extra armor roll total for one extra point of damage?
I don't think that changes many end results if both roll fail as many things don't have more then 2-3 HP anyway. It's seams like a good change on paper as I know at least I've been on the receiving end of really good luck where crits just wipe out everything you have and I've also been on the side of things where that one cheerleader that's your last unit goes all John Mclain and takes out three units thanks to the crit system. It's kind of a swingy system which can be awesome for one side by really frustrating for the other.
I'd probably have given and extra negative to the armor roll to lean it more in the favor of the attacker though.
Kanluwen wrote: You're forgetting that large chunks of the game are apparently cutout.
From what's been said, for example, there's no camo units.
That's far from certain.
Watch this video:
N3TO Cammo has many different skills nested inside. With Code One and N4 those will be labeled as separated skills so they can build new profiles with different variations from the same original rule.
Where does the "No-Cammo units" rumour come from?
OpKaldstrom brings DaoFei, Guilang and HunDun, all af them are Cammo Units.
Listen to Mayacast, they have an interview thta reveals more stuff.
MAYACAST
I'd be surprised if there was no cameo as all the operation intro missions had at least one. What wouldn't surprise me is if Code One only had one or two camo types, maybe not stealth.
Monkeysloth wrote: So just a chance for double damage? or just one extra armor roll total for one extra point of damage?
Duoble damage. So the example given was if T2 ammo was used and the attacker rolled a crit, the hit model would roll two armour rolls and if both fail that's four wounds.
Red Harvest wrote: 45 minutes to play, but how much time to set up? I could play a game of N2 and pre-HSN3 N3 in under 90 minutes or so, easily.
Alpharius wrote: I'm in for a Kaldo-box, for the PanO half of that box, with the hope I can shift the Yu Jing half to someone else!
I felt that way about the Yu Jing in Red Veil, but I ended up keeping them because they were nice looking minis. I also made a point to get them, and the beyond minis, all painted up. So, oddly enough, I have 300 points of painted Yu Jing. and the Zhanshi from the Vallejo paint set, which I need to paint, the Zhanshi, not the paint set. These Yu Jing minis look pretty nice, and I'll keep them too.
I do still have the Yu Jing stuff from Red Veil...
Dammit - I'm trying to pare down the number of Infinity armies I have!!!
Monkeysloth wrote: So just a chance for double damage? or just one extra armor roll total for one extra point of damage?
Duoble damage. So the example given was if T2 ammo was used and the attacker rolled a crit, the hit model would roll two armour rolls and if both fail that's four wounds.
Not sure I like that. Would think 4 armor rolls would be better as that makes high armor people really unwoundable by lower point troops. Will have too see how it plays out though.
Not sure I like that. Would think 4 armor rolls would be better as that makes high armor people really unwoundable by lower point troops. Will have too see how it plays out though.
It might end up that way. But I suspect that T2 will stay two wounds on a failed save. Either way, the new crit system favors high armor troops quite a bit.
Not sure I like that. Would think 4 armor rolls would be better as that makes high armor people really unwoundable by lower point troops. Will have too see how it plays out though.
It might end up that way. But I suspect that T2 will stay two wounds on a failed save. Either way, the new crit system favors high armor troops quite a bit.
Red Harvest wrote: 45 minutes to play, but how much time to set up? I could play a game of N2 and pre-HSN3 N3 in under 90 minutes or so, easily.
Alpharius wrote: I'm in for a Kaldo-box, for the PanO half of that box, with the hope I can shift the Yu Jing half to someone else!
I felt that way about the Yu Jing in Red Veil, but I ended up keeping them because they were nice looking minis. I also made a point to get them, and the beyond minis, all painted up. So, oddly enough, I have 300 points of painted Yu Jing. and the Zhanshi from the Vallejo paint set, which I need to paint, the Zhanshi, not the paint set. These Yu Jing minis look pretty nice, and I'll keep them too.
I do still have the Yu Jing stuff from Red Veil...
Dammit - I'm trying to pare down the number of Infinity armies I have!!!
Calm down, lol. CB is doing all they can to pare down armies, like MRR, and ASA and QK and Tohaa and NCA and who knows which others are off to the guillotine. They are helpful like that
Keyrott on the official forums pulled them all, so kudos to them.
There was a video today. Confirms camo tokens are in, so Bostria was trolling before.
Not sure I like that. Would think 4 armor rolls would be better as that makes high armor people really unwoundable by lower point troops. Will have too see how it plays out though.
T2 is specially a special ammo that causes 2 wounds per failed armor save. Double Action forces 2 armor saves per successful hit. There's mechanics in the game for both essentially.
Personally, I think rather than rolling two armor saves a crit should require a reroll of a successful save against it. Largely the same thing, but it removes the potential for double damage. Still better than the current system though.
Is the Monk the first time we've seen a cyberpunk style cybernetic in Infinity? I swear in some video years ago they talked about not wanting their cybernetics to stand out. While I agree with that for the most part since most of these units in the game are crack military units and would have the best replacement parts I like it on a Merc and its equally nice to see it on something like the Monk which goes against the stereotype of them being in balance or harmony. Nope, here's a guy with a big freaking metal arm. I like you can see the head plates as a different material too (was wondering what that was on the painted figure). Nice bit of change up from CB as long as it doesn't become too common.
Okay, I don't know why, but I really like the ninja. Seems like a decent mix of pulp ninja, hard sci-fi, and tacti-cool. I wish the other ninjas looked like that (and that this one wasn't a limited run).
Barzam wrote: Okay, I don't know why, but I really like the ninja. Seems like a decent mix of pulp ninja, hard sci-fi, and tacti-cool. I wish the other ninjas looked like that (and that this one wasn't a limited run).
If you're preordering Kaldstrom or you order in the first month or so, you're pretty much guaranteed to get the ninja.
Worth mentioning, again, that Kunai Solutions is a company front for a "clan" of ninjas that seem to not really be traditional like the ones that are part of the JSA. The remaining Ninja "Clans" in Yu Jing are supposed to be more along the lines of Kunai Solutions so don't be shocked if there's a makeover down the road.
I'd like to get Kaldstrom, but I just can't justify shelling out that much money right now. Hopefully you're right and like the Brawlers, Kunai Co. will see a wider release down the line.
The past few releases saw such a glut in the pre-order bonus figure packs that places like gamenerdz had them in stock over a year out of release. Some go quicker, like the JSA, but I was still able to find them 6months out. The books sell the least so I think you can still find the one with the brawler included (https://www.gamenerdz.com/infinity-daedalus-fall-hardcover-w-brawlers-promo-figure)
I'm getting kaldstrom, that's a given, but looking at the preorder cost of the Dire Foes box - $70au - seems really steep to me. I'd appreciate having the Beyond box content known so I can make a decision between that the DF box.
Defiance doesn't fit anywhere. It's supposed to be a standalone thing, which was only available via Kickstarter(might be wrong on that front but they never really discussed retail options).
Game Nerdz has a listing, but not taking orders. Odd. I suspect they will go 'live' with the listing soon enough. Have patience. Everything is more than just a little 'off' right now... I just finished my grocery shopping at the Wegman's. A whole lot of empty in that store. And the strangest things too. Who buys up all the lemons?
Also, Game Nerdz is currently not taking Operation Kaldstrom pre-orders and I can't find this on Miniature Market - anyone else able to find it there?
CB always starts the Pre-orders on their site and then takes a day or two for them to show up in the US at least. I think part of it is the stores not knowing what their allocated pre-order amounts will be and if that falls on CB or the distributor I'm not sure. But the last several years it's always been like this State side.
Edit: wow one sentence there I never even finished.
.Mikes. wrote: I'm getting kaldstrom, that's a given, but looking at the preorder cost of the Dire Foes box - $70au - seems really steep to me. I'd appreciate having the Beyond box content known so I can make a decision between that the DF box.
I decided to skip the Dire Foes box. I don’t love the models really, and the Beyond box art was much more exciting. I’m hoping we find out the contents this week, even if we don’t see the models yet. Bostria said ‘soon’ on the forum but who knows what that means.
I decided to skip the Dire Foes box. I don’t love the models really, and the Beyond box art was much more exciting. I’m hoping we find out the contents this week, even if we don’t see the models yet. Bostria said ‘soon’ on the forum but who knows what that means.
I'm going to find someone to split that box with. Then I'm adding that Troll Hunter to my SW army.
I'll transcribe the army list in a bit. The list is just for Code One.
PANOCEANIA CODE ONE ARMY LIST
Fusiliers
Nokken Special Recon and Intervention Team
Kamau Amphibious Intervention Unit
Vargar Maximum Security Team
Akalis, Sikh Commandos
Svalarheima Nisse
Infirmarers of Saint Lazarus
ORC Troops
Boyg Soldiers
Knight of Justice
Aquila Guard
Swiss Guard
Cutters
Locust, Clandestine Action Team
Croc-Men
Trauma-Docs
Machinists
Pathfinder, Sierra, Clipper, and Fugazi Dronbots
Palbots
Troll-Hunter Gunnar Lundmark
Liang Kai, Wandering Monk
Kunai Solutions Ninjas
For those interested:
The big guy is a "Boyg Soldier" while the little guy is a "Vargar Maximum Security Team".
Some of us on the official forum played a game of Sherlock Holmes With Way Too Much Free Time and made the connection, after discovering that a "Boyg" is a kind of gnome/troll from Scandanavian folklore.
Barzam wrote: I would've thought a smaller TAG, like the Uhlan would have been better suited, myself.
Why, out of curiosity?
Wild speculation on my part for Barzam's thinking:
Because the Uhlan is not an Aquatic themed TAG linked to Varuna, doesn't have Thermo-Optic Camouflage, and is a Silhouette 6 TAG rather than S7.
Kanluwen wrote: Not sure why the Squalo, a NCA TAG, would be getting attention with this set...especially since it's a new sculpt compared to the ancient Cutter.
There's a lot of reasons it makes more sense for the Squalos. The Squalos is still a pretty recent resculpt (plus I didn't know the Cutter was being redone soon). The Squalos was one of the very first Infinity models ever produced, it wasn't even called a Squalos just Armored Cavalry, it's been THE definition of a vanilla PanO TAG for pretty much the entire games' existence. Also C1 is supposed to be a streamlined, simplified version limited to the core units, having a TOTAG instead of the bog-standard base model is a little strange. Then again, according to the Mayacast interview Code One is only new stuff as it comes out, not a generic vanilla version of each army. It's a marketing thing, more than anything. It's a neat gimmick for retailers/distributors to know what is considered core units and Bostria says that is the explicit intent behind the black boxes with Code One printed on them, so in that light it makes sense to have the Cutter if they're resculpting it soon rather than reboxing the existing Squalos
Speaking of, that Mayacast interview was really odd. Bostria repeatedly said that C1 will be great for veterans as well as newbies, yet it is only including new stuff pretty much as it's released, the next 4 armies aren't getting C1 rules till next year when a new 2-player set releases. Tom specifically asked about people that bought N3 stuff and didn't like the game but were looking forward to C1, Bostria said that they hadn't even thought about that, and later brushed it off when Tom asked how existing Nomads players would be able to play C1. But C1 is meant for veterans too. But they're only doing rules for new stuff. But Veterans shouldn't just brush C1 away, it's meant for them too.
I'm normally 100% on board with Bostria, love that guy, but that was a really strange interview with a lot of mixed signals, and I suspect a lot of people here in this thread are expecting a lot more out of Code One than they're going to get.
Barzam wrote: I would've thought a smaller TAG, like the Uhlan would have been better suited, myself.
Why, out of curiosity?
Wild speculation on my part for Barzam's thinking:
Because the Uhlan is not an Aquatic themed TAG linked to Varuna, doesn't have Thermo-Optic Camouflage, and is a Silhouette 6 TAG rather than S7.
I dunno why being linked to Varuna has anything to do with it (Code One units aren’t linked to a specific sectorial by the looks of things) and I also don’t really see why S6 is any better suited for Code One than S7 (plus the Zeta TAG for O-12 is S7, so we know there was at least one S7 TAG anyway). TO camo I kinda get, but there’s also other TO camo units in Code One.
The Zeta is the onlyTAG that O-12 has currently, while PanO isn't hurting for options(Squalo, Seraph, Jotum) that can get rules for Code One nor are YJ(whose TAG the "Blue Wolf" is said to be a S6 TAG) or Combined Army(Sphinx is a pretty small TAG).
Additionally, while Code One units "aren't linked to a specific sectorial", the promo stuff has emphasized the units being themed around Kaldstrom and the environment there.
It's worth mentioning that the army list I brought up? It's mostly the stuff present in Icestorm and Beyond Icestorm. The exception to that is the Crocman, Locust(who never got a fair shake really), Bolt(there's one in Beyond but it seems to be forgotten as usual), and the bots+doctors.
Kanluwen wrote: The Zeta is the onlyTAG that O-12 has currently, while PanO isn't hurting for options(Squalo, Seraph, Jotum) that can get rules for Code One nor are YJ(whose TAG the "Blue Wolf" is said to be a S6 TAG) or Combined Army(Sphinx is a pretty small TAG).
Additionally, while Code One units "aren't linked to a specific sectorial", the promo stuff has emphasized the units being themed around Kaldstrom and the environment there.
It's worth mentioning that the army list I brought up? It's mostly the stuff present in Icestorm and Beyond Icestorm. The exception to that is the Crocman, Locust(who never got a fair shake really), Bolt(there's one in Beyond but it seems to be forgotten as usual), and the bots+doctors.
In this case, the Uhlan doesn’t make any more sense than the Cutter, seeing as it’s also not from Svalarheima, and it should be the Jotum.
And yes, I know the Zeta is the only TAG O-12 have, but it’s clear there’s not some S6 limit for Code One. I still don’t understand why S6 is somehow any more suitable for C1 than S7 is?
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I don't think C1 is being terribly tied down to the Kaldstorm theme, it just happens to be what's releasing next, and C1 is looking more and more like "new releases system" more than "core units system" or they'd have rules for ALL the 2-player sets+beyonds from N3 at release instead of just the Wildfire and Kaldstrom sets.
Bostria mentions that the old 2player+beyond sets are being combined then split into base faction sets of 300 points, I wonder if they're going to switch the Bolt paramedic out with a Locust or Croc Man? Otherwise you have a Bolt in a C1 box with no C1 rules
In this case, the Uhlan doesn’t make any more sense than the Cutter, seeing as it’s also not from Svalarheima, and it should be the Jotum.
The Uhlan's sectorial is about to be cut, so it makes a bit more sense than the Cutter does...especially since the Uhlan is one that has been really needing a rejig in terms of its availability to players. The same thing goes for the Tikbalang, if I'm going to be honest, which got shuffled off to the Military Orders once Shock Army got canned.
And yes, I know the Zeta is the only TAG O-12 have, but it’s clear there’s not some S6 limit for Code One. I still don’t understand why S6 is somehow any more suitable for C1 than S7 is?
You're latching onto one particular part while ignoring the rest. I even prefaced my post that it was wild speculation as to why Barzam might be thinking that the Uhlan would make more sense than the Cutter.
In this case, the Uhlan doesn’t make any more sense than the Cutter, seeing as it’s also not from Svalarheima, and it should be the Jotum.
The Uhlan's sectorial is about to be cut, so it makes a bit more sense than the Cutter does...especially since the Uhlan is one that has been really needing a rejig in terms of its availability to players. The same thing goes for the Tikbalang, if I'm going to be honest, which got shuffled off to the Military Orders once Shock Army got canned.
And yes, I know the Zeta is the only TAG O-12 have, but it’s clear there’s not some S6 limit for Code One. I still don’t understand why S6 is somehow any more suitable for C1 than S7 is?
You're latching onto one particular part while ignoring the rest. I even prefaced my post that it was wild speculation as to why Barzam might be thinking that the Uhlan would make more sense than the Cutter.
Barzam wrote:I would've thought a smaller TAG, like the Uhlan would have been better suited, myself.
Yeah, wonder why I’m ‘latching on’ to the size part.
It doesn’t matter anyway. I was just curious as to Barzam’s reasoning for the smaller TAG being a better fit.
To be fair, he might actually be referring to the size of the model rather than the silhouette there as well. I said silhouette for my part because there's a weird mentality for some new players where they latch onto the silhouette as being evidence of the power of a unit.
Red Harvest wrote: Corvus Belli worried about SKU bloat....
(nsert meme image)
...Adds Nokken, Vargar, Boyg, Infirmarers, Knight of Justice to the Pan-O list of SKUs.
Maybe some (a lot? all?) of the new SKUs will be 'locked' into a box?
Red Harvest wrote: Corvus Belli worried about SKU bloat....
(nsert meme image)
...Adds Nokken, Vargar, Boyg, Infirmarers, Knight of Justice to the Pan-O list of SKUs.
Maybe some (a lot? all?) of the new SKUs will be 'locked' into a box?
It's also possible that some of these will replace old SKUs the way the Tanko and Haramaki went.
Your wild speculation was more or less on point. Cutter always felt like more of a spec ops TAG to me whereas Uhland, and Tikbalang, I suppose felt more like just basic workhorse TAGs. If the idea of C1 is to cut out a lot of the rules bloat and keep things simple, a simple straightforward TAG feels like the best way to go. Plus it would improve availability of both TAGs outside of a pair of defunct factions/MOs.
And in my poorly reasoned, unscientific opinion, a smaller scale game ought to use smaller TAGs.
Knight wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if KoJ ends up being rebranded FK.
It is. The Hospitallers have been using "Brothers of Justice" as the term for Father-Officers that had medical skills before, so it looks like this is the retcon to bring female Knights in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like CB - and Infinity - a lot.
CB does a lot of things that annoy me, and CB does a lot of things that are really cool.
One of them is this:
Liang Kai Wandering Shaolin Monk on sale through distributors and stores
Given the current circumstances arising from the health crisis COVID.19, we have decided to give our distributors and stores access to our exclusive miniature "Liang Kai Wandering Shaolin Monk" We understand that we are living in a historic moment and that now more than ever we need to support our distribution network and shops.
If you have already placed your order in our online store, but you would like to cancel it, to place the order in your local hobby store, please contact us and we will indicate the steps you must follow.
Stock-keeping unit - it's a retail term for individual items in a product line.
Each individual box is a SKU, as is each blister/clamshell etc.
Infinity has a *lot*, largely through many years of slightly undirected releases (rather than clearly planning everything out)
Oh, thought it was a specific Infinity term (there are a bunch of abbreviations in this game, too many to keep track of).
I don't play Infinity (yet, was hoping Code One could change that) but I have noticed that just looking through the products that there is a lot, and nothing makes sense. The names are all so confusing and all the sectorials just make it worse.
Yeah, that was one of the more appealing things about Code One for me. I was disappointed in the demo game that was just a 3D rendered 3 point battle that didn't show any changes from the regular rule set. Hopefully they come out with a proper game soon.
Yu Jing Code One List:
Zhanshi
Zhanying Imperial Agents
Tiger Soldiers
Hundun Ambush Unit
Ye Mao Infantry
Zuyong Invincibles
Yan Huo Invincibles
Jujak Regiment
Daofei Tactical Section
Hac Tao Special Unit
Hsien Warriors
Blue Wolf Mongol Cavalry
Guilang Skirmishers
Zhanshi Yisheng
Zhanshi Gongcheng
Yaokong Weibing
Yaokong Husong
Yaokong Son-Bae
Yaokong Chaiyi
Yaozao
Jing Qo, Shadow of Hundun
Imperial Agent Adil Mehmet, Imperial Agent
Liang Kai, Wandering Shaolin Monk
Kunai Solutions Ninja
What LOF markings should be present? Maybe if feedback is given early in the campaign they can be added to the design?
Spoiler:
Look at the side and front. These are the 'new' Infinity bases, where there's markers to delineate the front arc.
They're actually fairly annoying since CB hasn't really accounted for how they set up the 'bars' on some of the models and the like.
Thanks Kan - I hadn't spotted those before.
If they're working with CB on these bases, maybe the final production ones will have those markers on there? As I said, though, definitely something to ask about when the campaign starts.
I think adding arc markers to the scenic bases would be not be for the best overall. I suspect most people who like having arcs marked are used to marking the arcs themselves and wouldn't find it too difficult. Meanwhile having to remove molded arc marks would annoy people who don't want them and/or are using the bases for games that don't use arcs. Also they could be irritating even for people who DO want arc markers, as they might not line up with how you want to put a specific model on a specific base.
Interesting. I've been out of the loop rules-wise, but I wonder if they're going to give them new rules/equipment options to set them apart more from the Zuyong? Last time I really looked at the rules, there wasn't much to separate the two units.
Interesting. I've been out of the loop rules-wise, but I wonder if they're going to give them new rules/equipment options to set them apart more from the Zuyong? Last time I really looked at the rules, there wasn't much to separate the two units.
That is a big problem with Yu Jing - a lot of their HI are very samey. Wu Ming, Shang Ji and Zuyong are all basically the same vanilla HI unit with slightly different stats and different weapon options. I really hope CB takes this opportunity to really drill down and give each one a very unique identity.
Kanluwen wrote: It's a big problem with heavy infantry in general, not exclusively Yu Jing.
Very fair. I just happen to notice it more in Yu Jing for some reason.
At least the new Jujak Regiment Korean Shock Infantry unit has a 6-2 move which differentiates him from the other vanilla HI.
All HI seem to have 6-2 move in Code One (and presumably N4). All the HI in Kaldstrom have it, and if something as basic as Orcs have it, it’s probably universal.
Kanluwen wrote: It's a big problem with heavy infantry in general, not exclusively Yu Jing.
Very fair. I just happen to notice it more in Yu Jing for some reason.
At least the new Jujak Regiment Korean Shock Infantry unit has a 6-2 move which differentiates him from the other vanilla HI.
All HI seem to have 6-2 move in Code One (and presumably N4). All the HI in Kaldstrom have it, and if something as basic as Orcs have it, it’s probably universal.
Oh super interesting. I had not noticed!
Whelp, I guess we will have to wait until N4 to see if they have come up with a way to differentiate all the HI
Monkeysloth wrote: Yu-Jing has the most HI so it makes since it's the most noticeable for them.
Since I have nothing but free time now, I wanted to actually test this as it stands right now in Infinity Army. The results are actually kinda surprising.
PanO: 14 Heavy Infantry(technically 15 since Joan's in there twice), or 11 without characters. Yu Jing: 18 Heavy Infantry, down to 14 without characters--and down to 13 if you remember that the Su-Jian is a weird Remote Presence Heavy Infantry unit. Ariadna: 8 Heavy Infantry, down to 7 if you don't count the Mirage Team and down to 5 if you don't include the Ratnik or Blackjack. Haqqislam: 6 Heavy Infantry, with two variations of Janissaries. Nomads: 5 Heavy Infantry, but Army will tell you 6 because the ejected Iguana Operator is a Heavy Infantry too. Combined Army: 5, 4 without characters(Sheskiin is heavy infantry). ALEPH: 6(two Achilles profiles brings it to 7), down to 3 without characters. Tohaa: 3, down to 2 without Neema Sataar. JSA: 6, down to 5 without Takeshi 'Neko' Oyama. O-12: 3.
Yu Jing's claim to "the most" isn't as tight as you might think!
About what I'd expect, PanO has a lot of different Knight Orders that are HI. Many are still older scrawney models that don't look like modern HI, but it's mostly very slight differences in helmets and tabards/coats that could be represented by existing models painted in appropriate livery. I would love to see more bare armored HI for PanO, too much of it looks like Black Templars cosplayers and now even the my beloved ORCs are getting coats and sweaters /rolleyes
Soul Samurai wrote: I think adding arc markers to the scenic bases would be not be for the best overall. I suspect most people who like having arcs marked are used to marking the arcs themselves and wouldn't find it too difficult. Meanwhile having to remove molded arc marks would annoy people who don't want them and/or are using the bases for games that don't use arcs. Also they could be irritating even for people who DO want arc markers, as they might not line up with how you want to put a specific model on a specific base.
The last N3 operation box had bases with arc marks on them, I’m not sure what the overall feedback ended up being. It was a bit unusual of a style (raised triangle marks)...
Knight wrote: I'd love to have more variety in non-knightly HI. I hope the new super heavy chassis falls into non-religious category.
Yeah, it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with the Knights. Nothing Knightly about the logo, Scandinavian inspired name with no mention of Knight or anything similar.
The LOF markings on the bases would be much nicer if they were inset, rather than what they are, raised. I'd like to have seen CB go to flat sided bases, rather than sloping sided, since they are easier to pick up and provide a little more surface area on the top, which given the sculptors's continuing inability to keep the model's on the bases -- e.g. the new KOJ -- would be a good thing.
Those secret weapon bases look to be more flat side. I'm certain the kickstarter will do well.
LunarSol wrote: Why's that? Motorcycles shouldn't be as tall as a TAG.
Where did I say they should be?
I said that they should dump the system and start basing things as they should be. That means using larger bases for models that are inexplicably unable to be kept on the 'standard' sized base.
Kanluwen wrote: The simplest solution is to dump the nonsensical "Silhouette" system and actually base things as they should be...but that would be sensible.
Because that worked so well in 1st and 2nd edition, please, it has been tired and frankly I would rather have the models designed as they are with Silhouettes than what was before.
Kanluwen wrote: The simplest solution is to dump the nonsensical "Silhouette" system and actually base things as they should be...but that would be sensible.
That is the absolute worst suggestion I've ever seen for the game, going to silhouttes in N3 was a godsend. No modelling for advantage, no bullcrap about shooting a models weapon vs head vs main torso arguments. For a true LOS game with such over the top poses on so many models it's 100% the right way to go and I wish more games would go to such lengths, it stops arguments before they begin. Dumping silhouttes would be anything BUT simple.
No, instead they just need to model the figures so it actually fits on the appropriate base. If I grab Kaldstrom, I'm thinking I'll clip the rocks on the KoJ and swing her left leg against her right like she's leaping to the side
Kanluwen wrote: It's a big problem with heavy infantry in general, not exclusively Yu Jing.
Very fair. I just happen to notice it more in Yu Jing for some reason.
At least the new Jujak Regiment Korean Shock Infantry unit has a 6-2 move which differentiates him from the other vanilla HI.
All HI seem to have 6-2 move in Code One (and presumably N4). All the HI in Kaldstrom have it, and if something as basic as Orcs have it, it’s probably universal.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the powered high tech HI which have it, and the CHA approach of "jus' stick some irn on it and no complainin'" would be slower "slower" at 4-4.
Knight Of Justice: Wilcard Gunnar: Wildcard Richard: Count as Fusilier Agnes: Count as Fusilier
Army update: March 26th
White Banner Army
Spoiler:
1 Tian Gou: Wildcard 1 Shang Ji: Wildcard Lei Gong: Wildcard Liang Kai: Count as Shaolin Monk
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, remember that Blue Wolf Mongol Cavalry are TAGs.
With Duo.
We should be seeing Beyond Kaldstrom next week from hints Koni just dropped on the official forums. They're going to be dropping their Adepticon seminar online.
Gamenerdz is always cheaper the MM. Even when MM has sales the prices aren't that much better the GN normal prices. Upside to MM is they'll get their allotted orders much sooner then gamenerdz which can be about 2 weeks behind with CB stuff.
Lists are the contents of Kaldstrom, Beyond Kaldstrom, and the Dire Foes set minus the Adepticon exclusive Wandering Monk and the Kunai Solutions ninja.
Lists are the contents of Kaldstrom, Beyond Kaldstrom, and the Dire Foes set minus the Adepticon exclusive Wandering Monk and the Kunai Solutions ninja.
Carrying over from the other page, since it just auto-appended.
Damn the miniatures are gorgeus, every single one of them. Securitate feuerbach...finally...but could this mean no SWC box securitate/grenzer for Tunguska.
I wish his profile would be better, the mini should be rather eye catching on the table.
I like the shotgun change.
More cheap terrain is always welcomed.
I don't have anything concrete on change of the critical hits. I usually have absurd level of misfortune on my ARM rolls, so it's not going to change anything.
No more for a while. Bostria was cagey about the release of the Code One ruleset. Maybe they intend to time its release with the release of Kåldstrøm in late April -- or whenever it is possible to release it. Bostria did say 100 page rulebook,a nd implied that it was extensively illustrated with examples..
Red Harvest wrote: Corvus Belli worried about SKU bloat....
(nsert meme image)
...Adds Nokken, Vargar, Boyg, Infirmarers, Knight of Justice to the Pan-O list of SKUs.
Maybe some (a lot? all?) of the new SKUs will be 'locked' into a box?
Most likely, CB announced in the KS update today that Spain is now on lockdown for non-essential businesses, so the people that can are doing dev work from home, but obviously no casting or filling orders will happen for at least a few weeks
Just skimmed through it, but is there any real difference between this and the Operation rules they've done in the past? Seems like Infinity with just the Common Skills list.
I'm someone who actually likes the idea the two levels of rules but I'm not a fan of a tripartite system assuming what I saw in the video last week was correct and/or I didn't misunderstand it. I was hoping that what came with the operation box was the lower level of rules (complexity) and not a third step that can segway to either.
It's just a Quick-Start guide, why would you assume it's a 3rd system?
Of the 20 page PDF, 12 pages are fluff/pictures/adverts aimed at new players. Only 8 of the pages relate in any ways to gameplay and 2 of those are a step-by-step walkthrough of mission 1 from any of the previous 2-player sets where it's 3 basic guys vs 3 basic guys. Actually, it's SO basic that after reading through it there's almost nothing that couldn't have applied equally to N3 or even N2, this almost could have been fully appropriate for 2005. It's not a "tripartite" system, this guide is just the absolute barest of minimums to get a new player to understand the very fundamentals of Infinity. No word as far as I can tell if the box sets will have a full Code1 rulebook in them or just this Quickstart one and a link to the actual C1 rulebook pdf.
As for what's in those 8 pages of quickstart rules: Not much. We already knew that dodging in the active turn allows you to move 2" if successful just like in ARO, the only new thing I found is you can squeeze through gaps/along ledges as long as they're half your base wide. That's pretty great, no more blocking bikes or TAGs from an alleyway just because the corners of 2 buildings are 53mm apart, and 40MM bases can now move through most doors
This is the list of May releases...which will be released when possible.
-Yu Jing Support Pack
-Pan-Oceania Support Pack
-Shasvastii Haiduk
-Ninja with the massive tactical rock.
O-12 Action Pack which icontains the O-12 and Shasvastii minis from wildfire and beyond boxes.
Out of that May list, only these three are new:
PanO Support Pack
Shasvastii Haiduk
Ninja
Yu Jing Support Pack was already released, it's just getting Code One packaging. As mentioned, the Action Packs(there's two--a Shasvastii and an O-12 one) contain the models from Wildfire and the Beyond Wildfire packs. They will not include the preorder models as far as we know, nor will they include the contents of the Advance Packs(Sirius and I want to say Cadmus Hacker?).
Kickstarter is live for the PVC statues. Technically a decent value for pre-painted PVC statues of this size, but at $95 after shipping per figure it's pretty steep for the wargamer market, especially since the alternate arms and accessories (and the chibi versions, which I couldn't care any less about) are locked behind stretch goals.
I'm tentatively in for a PanO Father Knight/Knight of Justice, and I really want the Shang ji as well, but it's REALLY hard to even justify one figure at that price.
Ya, even with the shipping the price is pretty inline with other figures. If the SGs are met and you get the additional parts then you're actually getting a pretty good deal.
However I'd be surprised if this funded right now as I'm not sure Collectables are a big thing people are spending money on considering the circumstances and Infinity's fanbase probably isn't large enough to make up for the ones being cautious with their money. Especially with a 2 week long campaign.
Koni wrote:I don't have deepest info on that point, sorry. But we expect to have all shipped (direct customers, retailers and distributors) before the end of the month if everything goes well.
Anyway, think that the preorder period is extended until last day of April, so maybe there will be people receiving it in May
So the distributors ought to get their orders by month's end, but who know how long the distributor's will take to ship them.
I'll be pleasantly surprised If I get my copy by the end of May.
I wonder how this affects the release of the full Code One ruleset. I can ask.
You know full well that Bolts will be in C1, and they will be even more awesome than ever. I hope that most of the ASA units make it, since they function just fine in vanilla Pan-O.
Gamenerdz now informs that June 30 TBD is the date for Kaldstrom from them. I think the distributors warehouse is closed 'til the end of the month. Some people have already received their Kaldstroms.
Well, something to look forward to Monday the 27th.
Red Harvest wrote: You know full well that Bolts will be in C1, and they will be even more awesome than ever. I hope that most of the ASA units make it, since they function just fine in vanilla Pan-O.
They won't. Remember that whole swathes of ASA are discontinued. Only things still sold are the Akali Sikh blisters(and that's because there is one in Icestorm!) and the Tikbalang(which was bundled with the Uhlan and got jammed into the Military Orders because reasons).
And maybe he doesn't know that Bolts will be in Code One. As for them being "even more awesome than ever"...that's a low bar. Bolts have been a poorly designed unit in a poorly managed sectorial for a long while.
I don't recall seeing Bolt logo on C1 sheet during CB presentation. There might have been an update that I wasn't aware of, or they simply recycled the video material they already had.
Remember that whole swathes of ASA are discontinued.
Acotencimento had my kind of background. I wouldn't be surprised to see them being put into legacy segment, on the upside I like the design of Vargar and hopefully there will be continuation of that trend.
Knight wrote: I don't recall seeing Bolt logo on C1 sheet during CB presentation. There might have been an update that I wasn't aware of, or they simply recycled the video material they already had.
The video doesn't have any Bolts in it that I saw? You might have mistaken the new PanO Support Pack with Trauma Doctor and Machinist for Bolts.
Remember that whole swathes of ASA are discontinued.
Acotencimento had my kind of background. I wouldn't be surprised to see them being put into legacy segment, on the upside I like the design of Vargar and hopefully there will be continuation of that trend.
If they are, it will be in N4 not Code One. Remember that Code One is a whole separate thing, and is restricted to items available now.
Only been able to do a quick scroll through it so far, but I'm liking the clear diagrams. Noticed hacking is still in, but cut WAY down: there's only 1 hacking device and it only has 2 programs, Spotlight (targeted state) and Carbonite (immobilized 2). Also noticed that there's only regular orders and LT orders, no impetuous or Fury or, surprisingly, no Irregular models
Super trimmed down introductory light ruleset at over 100 pages. Yes, I know it has lots of white space and diagrams still, lol. I'll try looking through it this weekend.
Reverse engineering voodoo tech is bound to go well.
From some people who have received their Kaldstrom stuff over on the official forums.
I do think it worth mentioning that the Satori facility for YJ was experimenting with captured plasma tech per Paradiso, so this isn't super new stuff.
Big Wall of Text from CB about products available for Code One:
Spoiler:
By the time you’re reading this, you might have seen Operation: Kaldstrøm on internet. Maybe someone has show you the contents of the box, or maybe you found our new website - infinityuniverse.com
Whatever the reason, the most important thing is that you are here and that you’ve had a chance to be blown away by the incredible miniatures that we manufacture, and that it has enticed you to be a little more curious about our game and how you can enjoy the Infinity experience.
Infinity CodeOne is the best way to dive into the Infinity Universe because it is scalable, streamlined, and a lot of fun. Let me guide you through your first steps into Infinity CodeOne through a series of articles that we will be sharing with you - starting with this one.
In today’s post we will show you what products are available, and will one be part of Infinity CodeOne.
Operation: Kaldstrøm
This will be the first step: the best way to begin your collection and to get started with the Infinity CodeOne rules.
With this Battle Pack, you will have everything you need to play - including the miniatures, rule booklet, a mat to determine the playing area, high-quality scenery, dice, a ruler, and markers.
Operation: Kaldstrøm will introduce you to a series of missions, to the basic mechanics, and the different Skills that our characters can perform while you add new troops to our army list.
Once you have finished the initiation booklet, you will be ready to play your first game of Infinity CodeOne without any sort of guidelines.
Dire Foes:Retaliation
With this box you can enjoy a new and exciting mission involving an ambassador from Yu Jing. It is time to show off what you have learned with the guide from the Operation: Kaldstrøm box. Dire Foes: Retaliation is the best second step towards the Infinity experience.
Also, Dire Foes: Retaliation will allow you to expand your collection with new miniatures and add more options to configure your list - including a hero. You can give your army list a personality!
After playing a few games with your troops, it's time to take the next step in rules.
In this manual, you'll find all the basic mechanics you’ve learned with Operation: Kaldstrøm as well as new skills, equipment, and more weapons - exponentially increasing your tactical options.
From here, the path splits in regards to different branches of products. This way you can expand your collection and your journey through the rich universe of Infinity.
I will give you a short summary of each one of those packs, so that you can choose the order in which you want to continue, since there is no wrong choice.
Exploit your gameplay, explore new options, experiment with new tactics - and most important of all, have fun!
Beyond Kaldstrøm
If you are looking for new troops and profile options, this box is the expansion you need.
Not only will you expand your collection with spectacular miniatures, but it will also give you access to three elite troops trained to make a difference on the battlefield.
Support Pack
If your troops have taken injuries and need to be patched up,the Support Pack will help them become operational again, and to continue waging war on the game board.
With this box you will have access to a Doctor and an Engineer - two specialist troops. They will be a key piece to fulfill the different objectives of the Infinity CodeOne missions, so you will not have to wait for casualties for these troops to play a role on the battlefield.
It also includes two Servants. These small remotes extend the range of action of your specialists, without any risk to your precious specialists.
Remotes Pack
Remotes are all versatility! This box brings us two Remotes that we can configure to suit our needs or play style. From a fast Remote capable of stunning the enemy, to another with the ability to fulfill mission objectives within the enemy ranks.
Without leaving out its more offensive version, with the option of a destructive Missile Launcher or with a Machine Gun and the Total Reaction ability, which will turn this Remote into a lethal defensive turret.
TAG Pack
With this box come the heavy infantry - the titans of battle! The avatars of destruction!!
Huge Tactical Armored Gearwith great protection - a spearhead that will smash enemy forces into paste.
Booster Pack Alpha/Beta
These expansion boxes will let us expand our collection of miniatures and increase the possibilities of configuring of our lists.
It gives us access to elite troops with Hidden Deployment, Combat Jumps, or deadly marksmen.
It never hurts to have the best soldiers for battle.
Hero
With this blister you will not only have access to a unique and very interesting Troop profile - it is a way to bestow your list with the charisma of a renowned hero. Line them up with your army and lead your troops to victory.
Now that you know all the available options, configure your army and embark on a unique adventure with Infinity CodeOne.
At this point, I think the worst that can be said about Code One is:
* Corvus Belli still needs to hire a better graphic designer/document layout person. (Or at least one that can say "No, that looks cool but it's terrible to read" to some of the formatted choices.
* There is still an International English accent to the Rules English.
* Of course it needs a FAQ or errata to cover a few issues.
.Mikes. wrote:Lots of people currently reviewing C1 rules as if they're for N4. I really wish they'd stop.
How so? And where?
But then, this was always a possibility and almost bound to happen - they're kind of fracturing their own player base - it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
solkan wrote:At this point, I think the worst that can be said about Code One is:
* Corvus Belli still needs to hire a better graphic designer/document layout person. (Or at least one that can say "No, that looks cool but it's terrible to read" to some of the formatted choices.
* There is still an International English accent to the Rules English.
* Of course it needs a FAQ or errata to cover a few issues.
It is really disappointing that this keeps happening - I feel like they're 'big enough' to hire real, professional and good translators AND editors to handle this stuff.
Sacredroach wrote:Just a note...the actual website is
www.infinitytheuniverse.com
...they posted it incorrectly in their blog above.
Are the Ye Mao, Vargr, and Shang Ji all expected to be part of the Beyond Kaldstrom set? I'm probably more interested in them than what's in the main box.
That being said, there are a few Kaldstrom figures I wouldn't mind. Is anyone splitting the box?
solkan wrote:At this point, I think the worst that can be said about Code One is:
* Corvus Belli still needs to hire a better graphic designer/document layout person. (Or at least one that can say "No, that looks cool but it's terrible to read" to some of the formatted choices.
* There is still an International English accent to the Rules English.
* Of course it needs a FAQ or errata to cover a few issues.
It is really disappointing that this keeps happening - I feel like they're 'big enough' to hire real, professional and good translators AND editors to handle this stuff.
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think the wiki for CodeOne is up yet, but it’ll be interesting to see if IJW duplicates all of the formatting in some areas.
For what it’s worth, it looks like they’ve quietly errata’d two or three issues in the PDF so far (missing sentence in regeneration, extra bullet point in seed state, are the two that I know of).
I don’t know if it’s a matter of “big enough” for the editors and others, or if it’s a matter of allowing enough time, and being willing to let someone else do it.
But then, this was always a possibility and almost bound to happen - they're kind of fracturing their own player base - it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I don't feel this is happening. Originally I thought I'd like C1 far more, as it is, I feel C1 has the right idea and it's a good way to build your Infinity community. The execution might be a bit sloppy but nothing that can't be polished, if there's the right will behind it.
Granted, veteran players might feel otherwise, but personally, I was never a fan of simply throwing a starting player with them, they are boxing on entire different level. There are exceptions but those people tend to confirm to a particular type of player and will likely make their purchases independently of the CB's roadmap to full Infinity experience.
Barzam wrote: Are the Ye Mao, Vargr, and Shang Ji all expected to be part of the Beyond Kaldstrom set? I'm probably more interested in them than what's in the main box.
That being said, there are a few Kaldstrom figures I wouldn't mind. Is anyone splitting the box?
Beyond Kaldstrom is Locust (marksman rifle), Vargar (spitfire) and Boyg (missile launcher) vs Shang Ji (hacker), Jing Qo and Ye Mao (spitfire).
.Mikes. wrote:Lots of people currently reviewing C1 rules as if they're for N4. I really wish they'd stop.
How so? And where?
Basically any Infinity forum and facebook group and several youtube reviews. I won't link any as I don't want to spread the negativity, but the general gist is "OMG, I can't believe they lost X!" and "I can't believe you can't do Y anymore", and "It's so much worse without Z", without stopping to think that Code One can't 'lose' anything because it's a new game.
Anyway, I've read the rules and I can't say I'm enthused. I'll just wait for N4.... not that I really have a choicse right now.
Barzam wrote: Are the Ye Mao, Vargr, and Shang Ji all expected to be part of the Beyond Kaldstrom set? I'm probably more interested in them than what's in the main box.
That being said, there are a few Kaldstrom figures I wouldn't mind. Is anyone splitting the box?
Beyond Kaldstrom is Locust (marksman rifle), Vargar (spitfire) and Boyg (missile launcher) vs Shang Ji (hacker), Jing Qo and Ye Mao (spitfire).
Well, that sounds like I'm going to have to get a set.
solkan wrote:At this point, I think the worst that can be said about Code One is:
* Corvus Belli still needs to hire a better graphic designer/document layout person. (Or at least one that can say "No, that looks cool but it's terrible to read" to some of the formatted choices.
* There is still an International English accent to the Rules English.
* Of course it needs a FAQ or errata to cover a few issues.
It is really disappointing that this keeps happening - I feel like they're 'big enough' to hire real, professional and good translators AND editors to handle this stuff.
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think the wiki for CodeOne is up yet, but it’ll be interesting to see if IJW duplicates all of the formatting in some areas.
For what it’s worth, it looks like they’ve quietly errata’d two or three issues in the PDF so far (missing sentence in regeneration, extra bullet point in seed state, are the two that I know of).
I don’t know if it’s a matter of “big enough” for the editors and others, or if it’s a matter of allowing enough time, and being willing to let someone else do it.
I think it is mostly that?
For whatever reason, they seem to be unwilling to let some other professional editors/translators/etc. tackle it...
Action Pack for Combined Army. Yeah, "Action Pack" sounds totes '80's to me too.
0-12 Delta medic and helper-bot
Pan-O Beyond Kaldstrom ( mitt ein Chonky Bøyg, und Locust und vargar)
Yu Jing Beyond Kaldstrom (Ye Mao, Shang Ji and good ol' Jing Qo)
it's a nice collection, the beyond box, THB. Will get.
July releases are rumored to be...
-O-12 Support Pack
-Foreign Company 300Pt Pack
-Yaokong Remotes Pack
-Dronbot Remotes Pack
-Combined Army Support Pack
-Tao Wu Mastermind (Aristeia! skin)
Gamenerdz has been shipping the Kaldstrom boxes. Mine arrived today, so I'll be seeing what sort of shinies are inside this evening. And of course, the *need* to assemble and prime everything pretty much sorts my week-end.
And I'm really looking forward to more S-WFor PanO minis in the coming weeks/months - it'll be nice to have a well themed army for my all time favorite Sectorial!
The LE ninja... a big gap where the cloak meets the left arm for me. I'll actually have to use putty on a CB mini for the first time in ages . The female Zhanshi assembed very well. Asz soon as my hands are up to it again, I'll clean and assemble a few more. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
That terrain pack has some weight to it, eh? The dice seem higher quality than my other Pan-O (Icestorm) and Yu Jing (Red Veil) dice. Did CB go with a different source for them?
New remotes are nice, will pick up the Yu Jing ones. Disappointed with every other faction getting a nw support pack that they decided to just repack the Dr Worm. Just looks silly with all the new releases and new designs. Will be using something else as a proxie.
I saw something about a Nomad action pack for August. I assume it'll be a repackaging of existing stuff, but I'm curious what it will be. It seemed to be branded N3 rather than N4/Code One though, which is.... weird.
There is literally zero reason to speculate what it might be.
It's Icestorm and Beyond Icestorm's Nomad contents. The same posting that Infinity made yesterday showing all of the releases and the release list for August flatout stated what it is.
Kanluwen wrote: There is literally zero reason to speculate what it might be.
It's Icestorm and Beyond Icestorm's Nomad contents. The same posting that Infinity made yesterday showing all of the releases and the release list for August flatout stated what it is.
Awesome. Glad to confirm it! I just saw a copy of the post that omitted the contents.
Ugh. Koni posted the contents specifically to avoid questions!
Here's the relevant bits then:
Liang Kai and Kunai Ninja are the expected alternative versions of the previous miniatures from the Kaldstrom bundle.
The Nomads Action Pack IS NOT a CodeOne product. Simply a repack of the Nomad side of Icestorm & Beyond Icestorm.
Infinity Betrayal is our new graphic novel. If you want to know more, stay tuned, because later this month we'll publish a new Studio Update video with a lot of interesting info!
I was interested in the start, mainly because I thought it would be have been a way to fit two games into the space of one N3 game, but having gone through the rules, army building, and batreps I have lost all interest. It's Infinity with the granularity taken away, which is what makes Infinity Inginity. And even then everyone who's played it I spoke to says the games weren't half as long, so swapping it would be one game for one game.
I'm glad people are having fun with it, but I'm taking a haitus until N4.
It was starting to sound more like a self contained, do its own thing game like Kill Teams or Necromunda for 40k. Sadly, it really is just very stripped down version Infinity.
What's worse, it's a stripped down version of N4, of which we know little to nothing about, yet most of the people that might buy CodeOne stuff are actually the ones most interested in the full N4 rules.
CodeOne seems more like a rushed stopgap so that they don't have to develop the full N4 rules in the middle of finishing up Defiance.
Defiance is essentially finished. I think Code One is more an effort to get shelf space in FLGSs. It is possible to distinguish it from the main game, especially if CB devises a new mission system for it instead of bolting on current ITS missions. No idea if they will.
August releases are known. There will be a new Manga/graphic novel called Infinity Betrayal. The minis:
-Copperbots Remotes Pack (CodeOne)
-Drone Remotes Pack (CodeOne) CA remotes repack as C1
-Liang Kai different version from kaldstrom
-Kunai Solutions Ninja- different version of the Kaldstrom ninja
-Nomads Action Pack (N3 Product)- repack of the Nomad
starter (Icestorm) and Beyond Icestorm contents
Nothing for, which is fine. I have 1510 minis from Kaldstrom to clean and assemble still, and will have 43 coming with defiance. I think I am done for a while getting new minis.
In all fairness, speaking as a Gen Xer, the Boomers are singularly blame-worthy. Stinkin' hippies and disco freaks. One hopes their remaining living years are not so pleasant.
They're still around in the Spiral Corps sectorial at any rate, so all is not lost for those benighted souls who like tat particularly vile vegetable.
and the Zhanshi from the Vallejo paint set, which I need to paint, the Zhanshi, not the paint set. These Yu Jing minis look pretty nice, and I'll keep them too.
