Max, this is the Macharius
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/IMPERIAL-MACHARIUS-HEAVY-TANK.html

This is the Vanquisher variant
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/MACHARIUS-VANQUISHER.html

Then this is the Vulcan version (like my stormlord)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/MACHARIUS-VULCAN.html

I like the Vulcan:


But the Vanquisher is nice:

The Heavy is nice too I suppose.

I am wondering how hard that scratch is gonna be.......



And could I do three turrets for it?

You mean the sponson turrets? I suppose you can make the sponsons any way you'd like, why not?

Hard?? You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!!

You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!!

that should go staright to max´s sig!!! QFT

dsteingass wrote:You mean the sponson turrets? I suppose you can make the sponsons any way you'd like, why not?

Hard?? You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!!

I actually meant the main turret so that I could fake the funk on a modular version of all three variants.

Viktor von Domm wrote:

You build fething Titans Henry Ford style Max!!

that should go staright to max´s sig!!! QFT

Yes, Sigged, fer shizzle....

hehehe^^

HAHA -you guys

Erm Dave...

Sloth Love Chunk!

Lols

that should be spoilered... lest i loose my dinner...

Sloth wrote:Baby Ruth!!!!!

I dont know who has seen this guy but check this out.
http://proxiemodels.blogspot.com/


This guy has a plastic injection molding machine and is making generic 28mm wall plates
"I get a lot of requests for 28mm stuff and I figured I would have a go at some 28mm wall flats. Here is one wall section and the roof panel. They measure 4"square and as you can see are pretty much for kit-basher types."

I have been following him and the perils of owning a high heat / high pressure plastic machine, these look fun.

OMG../drool

Wow. I want those. A lot.

We would need one of those for the -=][_=-, CO-OP.

An now for some Oil Paint Weathering


-NEVER use the same brushes for oils as you do acrylics, ever
-Odorless thinner is much more expensive than turpentine, but safer and it really is odorless!


I buy the absolute cheapest el-cheapo set of oil colors I could find, all you need is black and brown,
mix them together


Add thinner





The coat of Future (or any gloss coat) below allows you to just touch the brush to the rivet, and the oil wash instantly flows around them and into panel lines and such recesses and crevasses, like a wash, but with extra badassery!


When the thinner evaporates, the oil paint is still moveable, take a brush and simply move it around the shiny surface, as much or as little as you'd like, make streaks, such as these, go crazy. It will probably be 24 hours at a minimum before the oil paint cures, loong working time,

as a rule of thumb Dave, oil paints (including thinned down ones) don't cure for 6-9 months

wow... that looks very interresting dave! i only really ever saw neil doing stuff with oil paints iirc... but that looks really cool! what did you chuck out for the odorless thinner? and the gunky wash of oilpaints looks like it should work...and the pics proved just that!...

Odorless thinner is much more expensive than turpentine, but safer and it really is odorless!

but...turpentine...thought it was a good substitute when you ran out of booze... bet it is even cheaper than moonshine ^^
(only joking of course as turpentine could really cause blindness!!! kids don´t do that at all!!!)

It also has the slight tendency to dissolve plastic, but I guess that'd only happen if you're using way too much.

yup... and for that matter it would probably dissolve the multiple layers of paint first... which would make me bite my brushes in half probably ^^

I suppose you wouldn't wait for it to start turning to sludge before noticing that something may be going wrong.

depends... ever had the telephone rang when you were about to do some delicate stuff? some peeps have no nerve to be at the wrong time in other peeps lives ^^

Yes, you can also sell turpentine to Moira for 3 caps a can

Liking the oil weathering here Dave!
It's pulling out the detail nicely and really giving the model that 3D real feel!

Three caps only? Dude work on your barter skill.....

Thanks Silver! Tonight we make rust paint with oil, weathering powders, and thinner.

Heh- yes Max, I suppose so

Too bad it can't be like Morrowind in that way.

Had a character that could talk people into buying one gold coin for three.

Oooo!!!

I like rust paint!

I will grab a note book and make notes!

Awesome find Unicorn! He also has tips and tricks for resin casting and 3D printing I might look into!

nice weathering Dave! I want to try that too! Seriously, 24 hours to wait though? I can hardly keep from touching the models for 10 mintues after I airbrush!

Cool, I'll make sure I show it step by step then!

I can not wait until I get back to work in the morning now!



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Did I just say that...?


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SilverHayabusa wrote:I can not wait until I get back to work in the morning now!



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Did I just say that...?


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Heh

I can't wait until I GTFO of work.

dsteingass wrote:I can't wait until I GTFO of work.

^ "QFT!" ^

dsteingass wrote:I can't wait until I GTFO of work.

QFT, all day everyday.........


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My signatures aren't showing up again....

I have too many to fit too, need to figure out how to make columns or something in the sig line.

No, none them are showing up at all, mine or yours...



This is the second time this has happened and I never figured it out before.....

er... are you sure you have the right theme switched on for the board? it happens if you choose mobile friendly...

That was it. Maybe that was it last time. I think that when I post from my phone it does that automatically or something.


Either way they are back.......


Thanks, Vik.....

Classic Rules! -None of the other themes have the damn subscribed button at the top right where it belongs.

lol... dave you are the definition of old school...



and max... it was the first time a shock for me when i didn´t see all those avatar pics... i had to start to read (the horror) the names again

Thanks Vik! -That gets a special indented sig spot!

well... that needed to be pointed out^^

well i call it a night for now... hopefully i see some nice new pics of dry paint on your orkmower then^^


by the way... just for the lulz... type orkmower in google pic search....


nighty night!

Night, Vik.....

*waves*

HAHA That's awesome!

Thanks Vik..night old man

night vik! and oooooh snap we have a google celeberty in out mits!

haha yeah right!

Rust Paint

Thinner, burnt umber oil paint, and rust brown weathering powder

Flick

(it's messy)

Then airbrush thinner onto the oil paint before it dries to help it diffuse here and there.





I will add more on detail areas later

this thing tank is looking great dave! do you have any pictures of it side by side with the rest of your army?

well hell that is truly looking the worn beast everything is coming along very well on it.
personally I do not thing i have the skill or the patience for the level of detail you are putting forth on this most amazing tank

Thanks Guys!

Here she is after airbrushing a mix of brown and black Didi's Magic Ink thinned with future

So yeah... a few pages ago when you told everyone to "just wait"... this is what you were talking about, huh?

I could rattle off half a dozen hyperbolic adjectives with many exclamation points praising your work on the Orkmower. Instead I'll just say 'well done, sir. Well done'.

its awsome dave! do you plan on adding any plants/camo cloak stuff?

well dave... you do realize there is no turning back now? you opened a can of cool looking skills with this tan... now you will be judged by that work... i bet that competition at gencon is getting a hard time with this orkmower...

the only thing now missing on this piece is the crusty mud on the treads...after that i would say it is confusable witha RL tank...once finished we have to make some nice jungle mockup fighting pics...

Looks great now.

Also that flick method can be used with red ink for gore from blunt trauma.

*Looks up from note pad*

Dave. Thank you for sharing this.
It's looking beyond awesome.
It's no longer a toy it's looking closer to real.

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:So yeah... a few pages ago when you told everyone to "just wait"... this is what you were talking about, huh?
I could rattle off half a dozen hyperbolic adjectives with many exclamation points praising your work on the Orkmower. Instead I'll just say 'well done, sir. Well done'.

Thanks man, well I was gambling anyways

Rogue Wolves wrote:its awsome dave! do you plan on adding any plants/camo cloak stuff?

Thanks RW!- Yep, I have some ideas, but I still need to finish painting the rest of the details on the thing first.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well dave... you do realize there is no turning back now? you opened a can of cool looking skills with this tan... now you will be judged by that work... i bet that competition at gencon is getting a hard time with this orkmower...

the only thing now missing on this piece is the crusty mud on the treads...after that i would say it is confusable witha RL tank...once finished we have to make some nice jungle mockup fighting pics...

Vik- This is my Entry for the Golden Demon at Games Day, not Gencon Yeah, there is much more paint work to do on the running gear, road wheels, and treads still, plus mud
Oh yes, pics will happen, plus I have to give it an appropriate display base yet.

n0t_u wrote:Looks great now.

Also that flick method can be used with red ink for gore from blunt trauma.

Thanks Not_u- Yeah, the flick method would work quite well for that

SilverHayabusa wrote:*Looks up from note pad*

Dave. Thank you for sharing this.
It's looking beyond awesome.
It's no longer a toy it's looking closer to real.

Thanks man, much appreciated.

I only have one complant...

And thats out of your control anyway.
The time that the oil paint takes to dry...


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What can I say?


You've spoiled us with your ultra fast works of art.

Childe's comment about 9 months to cure was misleading, drying time is about a day, meaning you can't move it around on the gloss surface anymore. It doesn't matter if it is cured or not, since you are going to be covering it with a clear coat anyways.

still compared to acrilic's 24 hours is a long time..

Geez Dave! That is coming along supurbly! I have to get some of this "Oil Paint" you speak of! Actually I have a whole bunch. Never once thought of using on a mini or vehicle.

And I need some of that floor poilsh too.

Wow! Really good progress here...

That is an awesome Stormlord!

dsteingass wrote:Childe's comment about 9 months to cure was misleading, drying time is about a day, meaning you can't move it around on the gloss surface anymore. It doesn't matter if it is cured or not, since you are going to be covering it with a clear coat anyways.

Actually, you talked about "cure time", I just corrected you. Also applying a varnish over oil paints before it has fully cured will result in the paint cracking at a later date. Having used oil paints for years and also having been taught by a fully accomplished fine artist I know my materials when it comes to paint.

Well I've done this multiple times and cracks never happened to me, but whatever. I suppose the guys at FW should have been taught by your accomplished artist then.

So,that is how you get paint to splotch unevenly, I think most of mine have been beaten too much to bounce back but I may still have a few that would do it.

Well remember, you need to keep separate brushes for oils, never ever ever mix!

Oh, I was thinking for my acrylics

oh yeah, then I suppose you need a stiff brush

Local craft stores have bags of cheap quality inexpensive brushes that work great for this sort of thing. I have a collection of brushes like that.

Yeah, it's always good to pick up one of those big bags-o-cheap brushes whenever you see them on sale.

I am looking for suggestions on a what to look for in a air regulator for an airbrush. Anyone care to chime in?

Random post alert...

Just watched "John Carter" and I urge you to see it once, ok I'll admit it, it wont be everyones cup of tea... but its had such an effect that I am bloody buying all the books in the series... Edgar Rice Burroughs: A Princess of Mars is the first

Ahem... ok normal service is now restored... kinda

Air regulator? I got a really nice digital regulator at Harbor Freight Tools for less than $20, but if you get an analog, get one that has a BIG gague with PSI on top, and more precise at lower (airbrush) pressures.


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I didn't get anything done tonight guys, A tee in the water pipes in the basement cracked and split open, thankfully we were home when it blew, I heard it, ran down and shut the water off. The Plumber just left, he had to build a whole new copper pipe tee section and solder it back on. Apparently they built the pipes from that point forward, putting all the tension of all the pipes in all the house on that one tee! 60 years later, the pressure was finally too much. Crisis averted.

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Oh and in an attempt to cheer you up dude, I saw this earlier, and thought you'd appreciate it:

So real life rivets and flanges?

They used Inferior Solder! If they would have used flanges and rivets, it would last 39 Millennia!

That's cool Childe, I've seen those shoulderpads before somewhere..

I'm slightly disturbed by the huge bronze buttocks O_o

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Ok, maybe just a little work to unwind before bed

Looking good man! So is this going to GD?

Sorry to hear about the pipe issue Dave.
But I'm glad that it was solved so quickly!
And that you were all home able to knowtice!

Would have been a disaster if it had been when the power was out... *Shudders*

Yep Hazzer, this is my GD entry, thanks man

Silver- thanks bud, it would have been a disaster even if I was only at work, the water was spraying up and onto the floorboards of the kitchen above.

Oh shitez. That would have been bad.
But! It wasn't. So we may rejoice!

..And there was much rejoicing!

And boo..

ALL of the songs about rejoicing are gosple...

ouch... that thing kind of happened to us twice dave... my wife once tried to get rid of the air in our heating system... she tried to vent a radiator... well she did it not as advetised... was a nice fountain of joy... and the last accident was on this years christmas...costed us the better part of 400€s to get it all covered... and me doing all the new kitchen furniture stuff and plumbing... i don´t talk about all the manhours that flew by... it were only my man hours and i am still unemployed... so i bet for my wife it counted as hobby time

the tank looks stunning... i bet i said that before tho^^

the exhaust pipes will get a layer of metal over that rusty undercoat?

and a display base...? cool^^

Silver- That was A Monty Python Quote

Vik- nope- the exhaust pipes, with their extreme heat and moisture rust and corrode like that IRL


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Although they will likely get the same soot treatment as the heavy flamer barrels will

OoooooO! SOOT!!!

That's looking really good. And you know, it's SO huge, it could be terrain. Can you make a brace to attach a walkway to it?

lol...no

Did I mention it can transport 40 guardsmen? even if it were Immobilized, yep it would almost count as a fortification, if it were not a Superheavy tank that would be targeted by everything my opponent had

Thats why your doing the camo so well Dave. So that your opponant might miss it sitting there on the board.

"Oh crap! I didn't see that there a moment ago..."

HAHA..That would be funny

Naw, I'm just following the tutorial in Forge World Imperial Armour Modeling Masterclass Vol. 1

if all else fails... you can hit your oponent with the tank... a bruise is guaranteed^^

and i see... corroded pipes...check!^^

the more often you say that it contains 40 guardsmen the more i think of this:


and with catachans even the smell would be fitting

SilverHayabusa wrote:Thats why your doing the camo so well Dave. So that your opponant might miss it sitting there on the board.

"Oh crap! I didn't see that there a moment ago..."

That used to be a tactic a player from my Necromunda league used a lot, and it worked all too well. He played Van Saars, and their suits were all flat black. Their weapons were flat black. They all had flat black hair. Their bases were... come on, you can guess it.... yes! Flat black. Skin and fiddly bits were painted so he met the '3 color' rulke, but 95% of each model was flat black. The benefit of that was my terrain was mostly flat black because I was more focused on the building it, base it black, maybe a light Boltgun Metal drybrush if iI had time. I was mostly focused on the newsletter, battle reports, and painting my Orks for 40K.

So during the game he'd get his models into place, move a couple, and then question a random rule (not one in play at the moment) or he'd walk over to another table to see how things were going there, nothing rude or out of place, just distracting attention away from the board. The combination of intentional distraction and 'superior camouflage' oft times resulted in someone getting a Plasma Pistol or Melta Gun in the face from an invisible Van Saar, or they would charged by at least 2 models and get beaten down to a pulpy Out Of Action. Illegal? Not at all. A bit less sporting than could have been? Absolutely. We had a chat a few times about it, and he eventually drybrushed a dark gray highlight to catch the edges of the models. End result? Nothing really changed. It wasn't until the other players *really* started paying attention all the time that made him change his tactics, but by them his gang was so powerful they were killing machines that frightened even our Spyrer player.

Good time.

lol... epic skalk... i think i need some ganger s done in that fashion^^

lol..A shady tactic, but then again, Warfare is all about deception

well.... whatever stops the bloke in front of you to hitting you... if it takes an avalanche...so be it

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:

SilverHayabusa wrote:Thats why your doing the camo so well Dave. So that your opponant might miss it sitting there on the board.

"Oh crap! I didn't see that there a moment ago..."

That used to be a tactic a player from my Necromunda league used a lot, and it worked all too well. He played Van Saars, and their suits were all flat black. Their weapons were flat black. They all had flat black hair. Their bases were... come on, you can guess it.... yes! Flat black. Skin and fiddly bits were painted so he met the '3 color' rulke, but 95% of each model was flat black. The benefit of that was my terrain was mostly flat black because I was more focused on the building it, base it black, maybe a light Boltgun Metal drybrush if iI had time. I was mostly focused on the newsletter, battle reports, and painting my Orks for 40K.

So during the game he'd get his models into place, move a couple, and then question a random rule (not one in play at the moment) or he'd walk over to another table to see how things were going there, nothing rude or out of place, just distracting attention away from the board. The combination of intentional distraction and 'superior camouflage' oft times resulted in someone getting a Plasma Pistol or Melta Gun in the face from an invisible Van Saar, or they would charged by at least 2 models and get beaten down to a pulpy Out Of Action. Illegal? Not at all. A bit less sporting than could have been? Absolutely. We had a chat a few times about it, and he eventually drybrushed a dark gray highlight to catch the edges of the models. End result? Nothing really changed. It wasn't until the other players *really* started paying attention all the time that made him change his tactics, but by them his gang was so powerful they were killing machines that frightened even our Spyrer player.

Good time.

Heheheheee...

I'm all about that.


...Sadly...

I just sit and wait to be forgotten with all the other stuff going on. Then *BAM* "Where'd he come from" ..... "Oh..."

So.... I need to build and paint some crew to ride in the back- I have an OOP Catachan Tank Rider, obviously I'll need two guys manning the rear stubbers, any thoughts on additional poses? I will not model 40 guardsmen, obviously, but that big-ass fighting platform needs some bodies.

Dave, a quick Q. Do you think the GD judges will rule you out, due to the spotty primer that left texture over everything?

No, I worked it all into weathering. They might, but like I said, I'm not intending to win, but rather intending on seeing how my work stacks up to the rest in the Vehicle Category.


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If you look at the third place entry from Baltimore 2009, it is also a fuzzy primer job turned into DKoK goodness
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/2009Baltimore/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=3

Man. Look at that Wave Serpent.

Yep..almost all of the winners have freehand gak like that! -heh- not my thing really

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for catachan´s you´d be wrong woth freehand anyway... wouldn´t look that fluffy in my book...

as for poses... definatly some smoking fella... a big cig in his hand...

maybe if you are feeling ambitiuos...

a guncleaning guy...

one that is sharping his cutlass...

you could do a combo of medic and a willing test object...

maybe one commander leaning on the railing yelling and spit fllying through the air...

if more needed i could think up some more...

Childe- Put that in your own thread, please. It's really none of my business.

Dried Mud!




Spray a section of track with thinner, then while it is wet, turn on the fan, dip brush in weathering powder, then tap brush so fan blows powder up and gets stuck on the thinner. Then spray more thinner on top and watch the powder dissolve into a really cool wash

I was only asking for a little help dave but whatever.

wow dave you just topped of your paintjob with a cherry, this is probibly the most realistic dirt job on a tank i've ever seen!

they call it a fan... this is a fan... OMG... you testing jets or what???

Dave, you should have one Catachan guy giving another one a tattoo!

I second the guy with a cig.

Maybe one drinking a refreshing cola? *wink wink nudge nudge*

^ jake thats a great idea! i think i might steal it

Excellent Idea Jake! It does get hot in the Jungle!

Thanks Guys!

MOAR MUD!!

the mud is looking truly interesting... tho is it finsihed yet? from the pic i gather it is rather one color? will there be wash later on?

if it stays like this i imagine a more dusty terrain was violated by that behemoth...

by the way... have you seen my list?

Well Vik, the powder isn't fixed yet, the thinner evaporated and it is just sticking loosely. The treads wil be drybrushed, but first a spray of future with some matt varnish mixed in to dull it down a notch.



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@Vik..List?


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OMG!

Look what Kit did!
Zinge made a FO:3 Minigun!!

Nice dirty work there Dave. It's yellowishness however blends in a bit with the camo, so it may force the judges to look rather hard to see it as something other than the camo?

FO:3 Minigun, very nice.

Do you use normal thinners to fix the dirt ? I have some powders but am a bit apprehensive about using them to be honest

It's the fixing issue that concerns me and the overall look, however yours is looking amazing and every technique from the FW book used

Cant wait to see the crew design when completed

No LDD, thinner is just to make it wet. Think of powder as pigment without a medium.it's fixed in place with future or varnish, or some sort of clear medium that will cure it onto the model. You can also mix them into paints if you want to.


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This is one of those "patience" steps- you guys will just have to either trust me, or doubt me until you see it completed

yep...zinge has scored another one^^

and i ment the list i made with suggestions of catachan minis that you could do for your rank crew...

as for poses... definatly some smoking fella... a big cig in his hand...

maybe if you are feeling ambitiuos...

a guncleaning guy...

one that is sharping his cutlass...

you could do a combo of medic and a willing test object...

maybe one commander leaning on the railing yelling and spit fllying through the air...

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ups

Oh yeah Vik- Got that! Thanks man, I definately like those ideas- we shall see what bitz and sprues I have and see what I can do

OMG Dave!
Love the mud! And such a simple method to it!
(Note: Simple doesn't mean easy or fast.)

I am so envyous of this tank. When I get back home I'm going to do my best to try a paintjob like this for my DKoK Malc.

~Silver


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Althought I vote that he should have a stub cigar not a cig.
Makes him look more badass.

cigar was meant anyway... ^^

That's a great mud job! Makes me wonder if those Catachans didn't take a break w/ a few 'tall frosties" and go tearing ass across the back 40 of Farmer Brown's fields.

dsteingass wrote:No LDD, thinner is just to make it wet. Think of powder as pigment without a medium.it's fixed in place with future or varnish, or some sort of clear medium that will cure it onto the model. You can also mix them into paints if you want to.


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This is one of those "patience" steps- you guys will just have to either trust me, or doubt me until you see it completed

I see what you mean know, what worries me though is how the powder looks once the thinners evaporates

I also have been checking some stuff out in my local arts and craft store and have found something I want to try, if it works once I buy the stuff I will show and tell.

If it does work the way I hope, the effects should look pretty cool

There's some really good progress going on here! the mud looks really cool, but seams a bit too light for me bearing in mind that the yellow like camo is alot like the mud color. And you need a guy drinking and perpahs the gunner with a tatto?


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There's some really good progress going on here! the mud looks really cool, but seams a bit too light for me bearing in mind that the yellow like camo is alot like the mud color. And you need a guy drinking and perpahs the gunner with a tatto?

It's not done yet
It's not done yet
It's not done yet
It's not done yet
It's not done yet

How about now?

It's like no one here has ever seen dried clay-based mud on a vehicle and how it looks IRL.

Is it done yet then Dave I have seen clay dried mud on vehicles, I think you are on track get it no seriously I get what you are doing and looks good

German clay based mud was so green-grey though.

Dave... I was just thinking that alittle earlier so since construction has started here at work I had taken some referance photo's for people on mud.







This is only a few of them and I hope that they might help..

Sorry for the file drop in the middle of your thread..

I am sure Dave will not mind about that Silver after all you are reinforcing his point

Nice pics as well and you have sunshine

heh, no worries THanks for the pics.


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I'm so sorry I left you all hanging on that dried mud step
It was mean of me to keep you there all day!



A drybrush of 50/50 Chaos Black/Boltgun Metal

Yes it was mean and unnecessary Dave I waited all day sat here waiting for mud to dry …… makes a change from watching paint dry mind

I like the fact you have not gone over kill here ……… or is this just the start

Is it done yet?

ah now i see what look you want to aim for... good looking ...tho still prewash concerning the treads i think?

Ah, it has touched dirt and mud, but not taken a bath in it as I have done to my tanks.

Looking good!

LOl..IT took a bath..a week ago

i hope it got well srcubbed^^

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Thinned Skarskik green painted on the bottom of chips

Nice dent effect

now even dents? oh my... someone has to be accountable for all that punishment that tank went through... that poor sod probably get´s flogged for that!

I have an idea for the crew have you got a spare barrel ? if you have cut it in half length ways stick some wire mesh on it, then add a chef hey presto BBQ crew member how cool would that look plus build a cooler and some blaster beer

" Blaster Beer one shot and it will blow your head off "

OMG..>That's actually a cool idea LDD!

You don't need to sound so surprised Dave

Naw man..knock it off! - It's a GREAT idea, you're always full of em!

My name is Brian, and I approve of the Stormlord Back Deck BBQ. You could, for giggles, do a barrel-to-BBQ conversion REAL EASY.

I know sarcasm really does not translate through typing does it

If you need any kroot joints I have a few nocking around in the spares, I think I have some meat joints in the ogre bits as well

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Briancj wrote:My name is Brian, and I approve of the Stormlord Back Deck BBQ. You could, for giggles, do a barrel-to-BBQ conversion REAL EASY.

Thats what I was thinking of

Briancj wrote:My name is Brian, and I approve of the Stormlord Back Deck BBQ. You could, for giggles, do a barrel-to-BBQ conversion REAL EASY.

actually an "BFG ship" as a grill would be pretty epic.

Mud all the things!

cooll i bet that will give you extra points doing sucha hilarious sideshow on the deck!

I like the sideshow idea, but I am thinking the BBQ scene should be perhaps saved for a scene at a firebase?

dsteingass wrote:I like the sideshow idea, but I am thinking the BBQ scene should be perhaps saved for a scene at a firebase?

No put it on the back next to the fuel tanks, call the diorama " FOOD ON THE RUN " LOL

Plus Catachans are crazy fethers that like to live dangerously, hence BBQ next to fuel tanks while ridding into a war zone

BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ

Did I say I aproved of em?

I'm a vegetarian and I vote for the bbq. That's just how awesome of an idea it is
Also, guess what I used to hold together a -=L=- logo I made out of copper? hint: it's not a glue stick

Dave I think BBQ seems to be a good idea Imagine the interest at GD

glomscient wrote:I'm a vegetarian and I vote for the bbq. That's just how awesome of an idea it is

I have roasted many an ear of corn, slices of red and green pepper, and vegetarian kabobs on a grill. BBQ = The Great Equalizer.

what? no comments since 20:30 CET??? whats happening here???

Sorry Vik! - Camera Battery was -a-chargin- been doing touch-up painting all day

you now reached a point in your project where it is very hard to see what you did ... the general consens of course is that this beast look totally badass... as if there was ever any doubt

THanks Vik. Yes I know, not much shows, but it is all vital detail painting that needs done unfortunately. I think I'm ready to start converting and painting a couple of Stubber gunners finally. Less than 2 weeks to Games Day!

Plenty of time then.

depends... if he is scratchbuilding them then this could be quite time consuming^^

and dave... tho not much difference is shown... you always provide us with enough eyecandy anyways^^

You can't really tell there, but the flamer barrels have been washed with purple, then yellow inks to show some heat discoloration.

one day i will do these effects too... cool of you to do them... gives a cool feel to the guns!

by the way... whats with traffic today? seems rather placid verging on the dull here? you yanks got a new holiday or what?

Nothing special, just a lazy, non-productive sunday over here.

er...wait for it...





you knew that had to be said

We all deserve a day off one in awhile...even me

really? can i get a second opinion of someone else here

NO DAVE NO !!!!!!!

OK Vik

yup... i knew there were likeminded peeps out there

WHERE !!!!! ARE THEY BEHIND ME ……. WHY AM I SHOUTING

No seriously no update are you sick Dave where is the BBQ

well actually the BBQ is something i would love to see too^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:well actually the BBQ is something i would love to see too^^

See Dave even Vik agrees if you don't build it I will ……. well I was thinking of doing it but think it will look cool in the beast instead

LOL..the BBQ?


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ok..ok...the pressure is apparent

Dave, I go with heat discoloration by applying tin bitz and then chaos black once you dark wash it all, the entire thing looks,,,,burnt.

YESSSSSSS! now we are cooking! er... frying stuff^^

Well its a start

It would be easier if I hadn't aready glued together all my GW barrels

OK ok, so I'll make the BBQ, a grill-master, two Stubber gunners, and...what?

I still have camo netting to make/paint/add and I want to use the PE Brass leaves from the Warhammer basing set and some wire for some foliage tucked in here and there, and then a scenic base of some kind.

I kind of get the image of it coming out of a ditch, covered in tall jungle grass with a few surprised Orks in front of it. Maybe even trying to take a shot at it as a kneejerk reaction.

A guy standing on top of the main crew compartment, waving the Catachan Flag.

If I add Ork figures on the base, I'm pretty sure I would only be able to enter it into the diorama category. I don't really want that, if I were going to enter something into the Diorama category, I would've picked a different subject from the start.

I was thinking of adding the Catachan Flag to the tank itself.

Remember guys, they aren't going to be BBQ-ing in the middle of a battle, I can't add part comical, at-rest scenes with action poses, one or the other. It'll look stupid otherwise.

I was, in all honesty, seeing this as being parked at a NASCAR race. Catachan tailgating. Sorry.

LMAO... brian that would be such a cool idea!!!

and dave i totally see your point here... mixing poses of that kind would look not the part... tho i still get a charlie don´t surf vibe from that thing... which is dumb as it is a tank and not a heli

if it is more big death on tracks...then maybe a sniper taking potshots?

The flat top of it would make a great place for a sniper to be Checking range

well when you have such a beast you aren´t gangpressed to always just use the big guns

and taking out a rocket launcher on foot is quicker bysniper than any other weapon system i bet...

heh..No a lascannon is quicker, albeit a waste of a shot, but it WILL do the job very quickly

why quicker? i mean a sniper is very quick when it comes to targeting... but the actual shot maybe slower...but the lascannon is as i am currently thinking slower in the uptake but quicker in shooting?

Well, In-game:

a Lascannon shoots 48", Str. 9 AP2 Heavy1.

a sniper rifle max range is 36", Str. X, and AP 6 Heavy1, Sniper


This means that besides the increased range of the lascannon, the Str 9 means that a Guardsman firing at another guardsman with a Lascannon gets to use the STR9 of the weapon, where if he was using the sniper rifle, he is limited to his own BS3 (or BS4 if he is a vet) -That is what the X in the sniper rifle profile means.

The AP2 (lower AP=better at armor piercing) of the lascannon means the shot is effective, but wasteful when targeting a guardsman, since a lascannon is really an anti-armor weapon.

In 6th Ed, any model that takes an unsaved wound from a weapon more than twice it's own toughness value (a reg guardsman has a toughness value of 3) causes instant death. The lascannon is Str9, so a hit with a lascannon incinerates the guardsman 3 times over -aka quicker

ok...even as a rules noob i get that^^...and i see three tmes over= quicker

Yeah, see, on the most basic level, the lascannon has a better chance of frying your hypothetical "guy with a missile launcher" in one shooting phase, but dice rolls are ultimately what determines the hit, and the wounding of course.


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But if your possible targets for a lascannon shot are:
1. A Chimera
or
2. A guy with a missile launcher

You'd be silly to target the guy, since the Chimera loaded with more guys is really the bigger threat, and only a foolish commander would do that

Now we are frying!!!!!

Just saying 'hi' after the weekend. *waves*

Hi Skalk!

yeah hi!

er..when i down a transport...doesn´t the crew get out and commence fighting? i never really understood that... because if i fry a chimera...surley evryone inside is toast too???

Well, if they destroy the transport far across the board, this means the enemy squad is walking to their object under fire, or just exposed for other units to pepper it with p0lenty of shots, but it is a better thing for you to make then enemy walk slowly at a mere 6" per turn than a 12" or better move via a transport.

Flying chermia?

well i see... but that rule is not really realistic , non? i mean if a shellshot from a LR would hit a chimera... the next job is for a dustpan?

I still miss the good ol' days when blowing up a transport meant blowing up the occupants.

It all depends on the damage roll, on a Wrecked result, the passengers must immediately disembark 3" from the vehicle, any models that cannot disembark within that 3" are instantly dead, then the survivors are pinned. On an Explodes result, the unit inside suffers a Str 4, AP- hit, then any survivors are placed inside the crater or wreck, those that can't fit are instantly dead, and the survivors are pinned.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well i see... but that rule is not really realistic , non? i mean if a shellshot from a LR would hit a chimera... the next job is for a dustpan?

ka boom, then flying in cirlces... then a Chaos guy apperas and turns into a deamon prince then destroys everything...

everything

Muhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (ironicly I'm a loyicaist to the imperium, well thats what they think)...

^right!!! that makes sense... and for a grim dark universe... loosing ten men by one lucky shot...how grim dark can you get?

Well, in 6ed, now we have cool overwatch and snap shots- meaning that you can take extra shots (only at BS1) during your opponents turn but it's a free shot, and the dice gods may smile upon you and you might get lucky

Well..Do ya?

Wait... did he shoot 6 times, or only 5?

well...any punk knows now

I think it was 7.............

no... it goes to eleven...

So..According to the FW Masterclass book, the camo netting is soaked in PVA, then laid onto the model wet, strips of masking tape glued on, then painted on the tank. I'm thinking that it should be painted before attaching to the tank eh?

They love painting everything once it is together. I say do it the way that makes you most comfortable.

Well, I've never used this bandage method before, So I dunno... I'm thinking that if I at least airbrushed the bandage the base color (I am thinking Steel Legion Drab <formerly known as graveyard earth> perhaps?) it shouldn't be a problem for the PVA-soaking phase right?

i wouldn´t to this... maybe use plastic wrap as a means of protection for your tank... then add the soaked bandage as you see fit... let it dry out through and through and then later on get every thing off the tank again and paint it as you want it...

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What if I soak the bandage in a wash or ink or dye or something, then let it dry, completely..It should still soak fine? no?

I dunno, PVA holds paint fine, doesn't it? Or does it?

i think that could actually work...

and yeah...the scale is right... shaso has done that on some of his heavy tanks already! he used basil and such spices to get the look right...

Technically, PVA dries clear. I dunno.

Max, I just saw FLW on the History Channel, IED testing grounds..cool!

well depends... if the mix is not right and you have too much PVA on one point it gets all gobby and stays that way...

but believe me... even cheapo paints stick well enough to dired PVA.-.. remember my priate ship?

Yes! I do! Well done, there, Vik!

Yeah I think I'll go that route

Here's the taping

the taping is for what use?..to stick it to the tank later on or foilage?

No Vik ..It's the fake leaves on the camo netting

ah i see...

Usually it is strips of heavay clothe or nylon. Of later versions, though it was a sheet of nylon with a wavy pattern cut into it in a certain pattern. So that only little bits dangled off at the odd angle here and there. There is also usually a camoflauged pattern dyed into the nylon but depending on terrain it can be a mono color (ie. desert).

Have fun with that dave.

in RL when in service i hated camo netting... it is most disgusting... the feel...the stink... urgh... urgh indeed... and when you have to build it up... everything that was stored inbetween... the reall leaves and stuff...it all fell down on you... *yikes*

You ordered patterns?

Take your pick.
https://www.google.com/search?q=camo+netting&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=jlF&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HJcEUP6QMNOH0QH605HwCA&ved=0CEkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1576&bih=720

It's really wet, but I think it looks pretty good actually

dsteingass wrote:So..According to the FW Masterclass book, the camo netting is soaked in PVA, then laid onto the model wet, strips of masking tape glued on, then painted on the tank. I'm thinking that it should be painted before attaching to the tank eh?

the paint after is to allow more complicated weathering... but to my understanding is actually kind of optional.

Apparently

dsteingass wrote:Apparently

heh.

Your package has arrived... a return volley will be sent tomorrow... (no molds, but other... Things... )

Get Some!

dsteingass wrote:
Get Some!

He looks.... Blue...

^ well spend a while on catachan and tell me your not depressed and dave, this is looking so awsome!

LOL he is bare plastic grey LOL

Yes, the nets look amazing. And as far as the Blue Man Group manning the guns, well lets just say: LOL.

dave what happend between these photos it was - net that looked green and clean to awsome net that looks dirty and perfect!

It dried

.. yea i relised that AFTER i read the text.. oh well

No worries -More tomorrow..off to bed ow...

night dave!

well nighty night then dave!... tho i leave you with that i love that netting... and the totally careless leisurly way it is attached to the tank!!! that gets you extra marks in my book!

The net looks tops mate, great job but how many masterclass lessons are left to try

The blue guy is having a bad day, hence he is the gunner

naww.... he´s a gonner

Thats a bit harsh I still don't understand why you cant have a BBQ during battle

After all these are catachans

if it were scots i would agree... but i more think of catchans as rednecks... well on second thought...

Thats 2 lots of people offended but I kind of see where your going

LMOA...

Why do you see Catachans as Rednecks? There will never, ever be anything even hinting to do with NASCAR in any of my projects ever, I promise you that

dsteingass wrote:
Get Some!

"How can you shoot Gretchen and Snotlings?"

"Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em as much!"

Maybe you guys should do a story on me!

dsteingass wrote:Why do you see Catachans as Rednecks? There will never, ever be anything even hinting to do with NASCAR in any of my projects ever, I promise you that

Damn, that's dissappointing.....

dsteingass wrote:Maybe you guys should do a story on me!

The story so far - Gak was built, it looked good.......


And there was much rejoicing....

Sorry, I have no interest in NASCAR at all, never did, probably never will

woooo left turn!

i really hate nascar

Me too, just being facetious.....

I don't like NASCAR because it is huge and flashy and sponsored. I like local circle tracks and mud bogs. Really brings out the best of Vermont to those events.

http://www.thunderroadspeedbowl.com/

So this thread just turned into a nascar hating thread? Count me in
Anyway, back on topic, that tank is so awesome! It could easily win a gd in my opinion, and I have seen a lot of the winners. Though they might turn you down: "sorry, no professionals"
Better than both of my gigantic tanks could ever be (unless I got you to pain them...). Yeah, that stormlord is cooler than my scratch braincrusha and toy baneblade by a difference of Joe Tomaszewski's skill! If you don't know who that is, please google him, for your sake (warning: may have irreparable effects on the self esteem of pretty much anyone but dave).
In one word: FETHINGGENIUS!!!

Thanks Glom!, but googling Tomaszewski gives all sorts of stuff, can you be more specific Glom?

He's a painter for GW. Just took a look at his stuff. He's good, but I didn't get the "wow" factor from him. Maybe I need to look more. I checked out his Daemons of Chaos WFB army.

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:He's a painter for GW. Just took a look at his stuff. He's good, but I didn't get the "wow" factor from him. Maybe I need to look more. I checked out his Daemons of Chaos WFB army.

I think I've seen his stuff... he's no swanson, or Taylor... but he is rather good.

Just checking in to say hi!
And it's looking great Dave!

Hi Silver! Thanks man

Love the Camo net effect.

The gauze camo nets are brilliant - consider the idea stolen!

np man..I stole it, so....it's all good

Woah... how did I miss that camo netting? Stolen idea or not, it looks amazing! And it looks wicked easy! Makes me wish I had a more 'Northern European Theater' look to my tabletop instead of 'Industrial Ash Waste'... but I suppose I could do the same thing in gray / black.... hmm. Hmmmmmmm

Dakka is the reason why I can't focus on one thing for more than... hey look, a squirrel!

Yea... Blame dakka...
I blame dhda and dco.
Maybe dyslexia too.

CDO..the letters need to be in the correct order

Hey, are you making fun of my CDO, Dave?

Nope, you harness yours like a champ Max

Hey Dave .. great tip with the netting mate .. i have always wondered how you did that.. any chance you can tell me where you tutorial on making pipes with joining connector things with rivets on .. is ;-) i remember seeing it a while back but the thought of going through 300 pages is a little daunting .. i no doubt would enjoy the banter though.. ;-)

Thanks Neil! Hell I dunno where it was either, but it really wasnt much of a tut, just me experimenting with making flanged pipes and such. I kind of got stuck on the tube bending part, couldn't figure out how to make it work right, and sort of sidelined it into one of my growing number of "I'll finish it later" piles


Hell I just looked and it was 58 pages ago in my Photobucket album!!, but here is basically all that I produced out of that endeavor.

neil101 wrote:Hey Dave .. great tip with the netting mate .. i have always wondered how you did that.. any chance you can tell me where you tutorial on making pipes with joining connector things with rivets on .. is ;-) i remember seeing it a while back but the thought of going through 300 pages is a little daunting .. i no doubt would enjoy the banter though.. ;-)

oh dear, back to Flanges...

Galorn wrote:

neil101 wrote:Hey Dave .. great tip with the netting mate .. i have always wondered how you did that.. any chance you can tell me where you tutorial on making pipes with joining connector things with rivets on .. is ;-) i remember seeing it a while back but the thought of going through 300 pages is a little daunting .. i no doubt would enjoy the banter though.. ;-)

oh dear, back to Flanges...

those where the days of innocence...

Oh MAN I had totally forgotten about those!!!

A while ago I posted a haul I picked up to make an above-ground pipeline system. I have the PVC pipe now but was trying to figure out how to make the pieces modular and still connect w/ each other via magnetization w/o looking cheesy. Flanges to the rescue!

Just emailed myself that pic to keep in my 'stolen terrain ideas' folder. Yes. this will work out nicely.

AhA! - See, this is why I've taken WIP pics long before I ever started posting them on Dakka, so I would remember how I did something!
These were made possible by the purchase of el-cheapo, but fabulously-useful set of punches from Harbor Freight Tools


.>And the Chop-It too for rivets and nuts and boltheads and such...






There ya go!- Resurrected tut pics




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Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Oh MAN I had totally forgotten about those!!!

A while ago I posted a haul I picked up to make an above-ground pipeline system. I have the PVC pipe now but was trying to figure out how to make the pieces modular and still connect w/ each other via magnetization w/o looking cheesy. Flanges to the rescue!

Just emailed myself that pic to keep in my 'stolen terrain ideas' folder. Yes. this will work out nicely.

OMG! Magnetized flanges!! Excellent Idea!!

what i just realized dave is: tried the punch work recently too... got three different sizes of those tools... but mine came out all ruining the PC instead of giving my nice punched out circles... should i sharpen them?

and... well seriously...? i think they match the redneck stereotype... catachans i mean...

Yeah..but if they are new, they shouldn't need sharpening...

Perhaps hit it HARDER with the hammer? Mine work with two taps and a twist to cleanly make a circle...My circles only get damaged when I need to use something sharp to poke the disks out of the tool.

Vik, have you ever seen a Vietnam War Movie not dubbed in German? If so, you'll always notice the different American Accents, A Stereotypical Texan/Nebraskan nicknamed "Cowboy", Always a guy from Brooklyn, etc. etc. I see the Catachan Stereotype as <insert Vietnam War Movie here> , a mix of guys from War Movies

well i saw apocalypse now back in school in english... didn´t get much tho

but you are basically right... many accents...maaaaany stereotypes...and that doesn´t even included afro american stereotype accents...

as for the hammer hitting... well i think it was the not really that hard hitting issue... i will investigate further on that^^

use an old cutting board or mat or something below it, it WILL leave marks on whatever is below the pc..you're wife will kill me, as you put all the blame on me

I used to use a small scrap hunk of 3/4 inch plywood for my leather tools. I imagine the same coud be used here. When i was punching particularly thick leather with a smaller diameter punch I'd put the board on the floor and drop a 3 lb hammer on the punch. Worked every time, but did wind up ruining a couple punch bits due to going too deep into the plywood. Beats having a hole in the kitchen floor though.

oh... i have a big log just for such task^^... beaten and drilled and all that abuse it already got...^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:oh... i have a big log just for such task^^... beaten and drilled and all that abuse it already got...^^

Someone sig that!

....At least he drilled out his barrel It would be heresy otherwise

oh my... all your pent up hormones...

the opnly thing that really keeps me from hard hitting the punch tools is the noise... i am a bit girlish when it comes to hitting noises... when i was a mere kid i ruined a thumb in a door... i think that caused a certain trauma with bigger noises in me... so i am a hesitant worksman

A clean, quick cut is needed!


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..And I really DO think that NOT drilling out your barrels IS heresy!

aye...tho those barrels^^

Last night I sprayed the PE brass sprue from the WFB basing set with old Citadel dk. Green Ink

Not to sound dumb but what does PE stand for

My god this blog moves quick..

thanks Dave , mate they are fantastic .. saved to my new desktop tuts folder..

have to say though .. your work has been outshone by this comment.. taken entirely out of context of course..

"cheesy. Flanges to the rescue!" lol

neil101 wrote:My god this blog moves quick..

thanks Dave , mate they are fantastic .. saved to my new desktop tuts folder..

have to say though .. your work has been outshone by this comment.. taken entirely out of context of course..

"cheesy. Flanges to the rescue!" lol

it does indeed.

Rally nice tank dave! it looks really great! you have really helped me with many questions about weathering!

Why Thank you Didde! Much appreciated!

This is where the CA Accellerator in the syringe bottle is really useful!

You aren't dumb. What does PE stand for?

Photo-Etched Brass...Sorry! Usually meant by the acronym PEB

Liquid GS

PEB I would have understood.....












No, I wouldn't have.....






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That's pretty, dude...

LGS is solid enough to be used for stuff like this? Nice to know it isn't just gap filling then.