kodos wrote:
Churn and Burn only works if the majority of people accept it despite things being a sidegrade at best.

And as HHs target audience is one should know better, I see it more of a problem when people still act like the old books didn't became worthless the moment 3rd Edition rumours were up but pretend things are different

A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

This is the problem, you're contradicting yourself, as is everyone else who acts like they won't get a game.

As you note "the HH target audience should know better", because the HH is chock full of you all saying the same thing. It's the most cantankerous change resistant group GW supply.

Yet despite being a large group of a like minded, you all just shrug it off and give up.

 kodos wrote:
Churn and Burn only works if the majority of people accept it despite things being a sidegrade at best.

And as HHs target audience is one should know better, I see it more of a problem when people still act like the old books didn't became worthless the moment 3rd Edition rumours were up but pretend things are different

A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

As I’ve said earlier, and on the assumption not everyone is a sad git like me that spends a lot of time on Dakka, that you’ve not seen it?

We don’t currently know how New Edition this is. I’m kind of expecting a Tidy Up And Tweak, rather than Baby With Bath Water. And I’m going to hold off all judgement until we know a damned sight more about what’s actually happened to the rules.

CragHack wrote:Well, if that's indeed 3rd edition with a new cycle of books on the same release schedule as before - I'm done with HH.
Still hoping it's just a facelift, like all of the Necromunda editions.
Couldn't care less about marines

Yeah, constant edition and codex churn is one of the major reasons I never got back into 40K after I stopped playing in the naughts.

I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

Mentlegen324 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
A shame that it seems memelore on "saturnine terminators" seems to have become canon. Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

Not incorrect lore.

A reasonable assumption about an undefined bit of lore (that a name with no shape and a shape with no name go together) that turned out to be correct.

What was spread wasn't just that as a theory/speculation. It was repeated as a fact of that armour being Saturnine.

Lighten up, Francis.

All looks quite whack to me, I like the dreadnought plasma gun but that's about all. This turned out to be correct going by that terminator on the front cover

I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.


But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

 kodos wrote:
A 3 year edition cycle sucks for HH but if the majority pretends it is fine because everyone can technically stick to old edition, it won't change

I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.


But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

I'm with you on this. Heresy needs a refresh badly and this should help draw in new players.

Hopefully they fix all the ongoing issues while they have a good chance to. Also, this is an interesting opportunity as it is the 7th Edition 40k rules getting tweaked further, which we didn't see happen when the game moved to 8th. That will be interesting.

The biggest drawback with the accelerated edition churn is how disposable all the books become. I for one aint spending a dime on rules for 30K/40K no more, no siree. There are ways to =REDACTED= if I still need to play a game once in a while. Just keep the models coming.

 mattl wrote:
I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

One edition that ran 2012-2022. It started under 6th, then moved to 7th and got it's own rulebook in 2017 .

Lexicanum - The Horus Heresy Rulebooks and Expansions (List)

 tauist wrote:
The biggest drawback with the accelerated edition churn is how disposable all the books become. I for one aint spending a dime on rules for 30K/40K no more, no siree. There are ways to =REDACTED= if I still need to play a game once in a while. Just keep the models coming.

Even this makes more sense than "I'm completely done with the game/company/hobby". I dont adovacte yarhar-ing but it's a more honest answer.

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

With what looks like twin linked disintegrators and light plasma mortar options, a heavy bolter is a bit extraneous.

Unit size guesses? 3-6 like 40K style or 3-9 like mechanicum? Probably bulky (3)

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
… Incorrect lore having been repeated over and over so much and taken as fact when it never was, that it's now become the lore.

And yet this is how the Imperium was founded.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tamereth wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

With what looks like twin linked disintegrators and light plasma mortar options, a heavy bolter is a bit extraneous.

well since these are being called saturnine suits, which date to the same period of development as the Tartaros suit and Mk.VI armor, it's possible that the other example of the style seen prior to this, the 'prototype terminator armor' developed by Vulcan after the dropsite massacre, which had a dorsal heavy weapon turret, one arm mounted anti-personnel weapon, and a melee weapon on the other arm, will show up as a salamanders specific variant with an upgrade kit.

beast_gts wrote:

 mattl wrote:
I know this (currently available today, I have a copy of Age of Darkness) is the first edition of the game released by Games Workshop and its based on 7th edition 40K, but how many editions were released by Forge World and were those also based on 7th Edition?

One edition that ran 2012-2022. It started under 6th, then moved to 7th and got it's own rulebook in 2017 .

Lexicanum - The Horus Heresy Rulebooks and Expansions (List)

Saw a PDF of the contents of the first book, and I was both saddened and pleased to see this:

It should not take someone DYING for Games Workshop to acknowledge and name their creatives.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We don’t currently know how New Edition this is. I’m kind of expecting a Tidy Up And Tweak, rather than Baby With Bath Water. And I’m going to hold off all judgement until we know a damned sight more about what’s actually happened to the rules.

Valrak has consistently described this as a 2.5 edition rather than 3.0. A tidy-up and some cross-compatibility between editions seems likely.

A refresh of general rules every 3 years is great. Heresy sales completely fell off last year and this is exactly what the game needs to revitalize the community. Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Hopefully the remove the odd bits from the Imperial Knights too. You want to field a Knight? You need to field 2 Armigers... oh and you can't use Moriax Armigers.

You needed 8 Armigers to field a single Lance. If I wanted to play with small Knights, I would've played Chaos 40k.

In another arena, does anyone else wonder if these super heavy Terminators are going to be Salamanders only?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
In another arena, does anyone else wonder if these super heavy Terminators are going to be Salamanders only?

No chance they put Saturnine in a launch box unless they are usable by all legions. Like all niche Marine units, lore reasons will be developed to enable their use by each legion & some will utilize them more heavily.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

 Snord wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Dudeface wrote:
Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Heresy tanks have tracks, so no.

I think you're right - you could imagine them wanting to release a sexy superheavy kit soon after the new boxed set, much as they did with the Kratos.

 Snord wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

Heresy tanks have tracks, so no.

I think you're right - you could imagine them wanting to release a sexy superheavy kit soon after the new boxed set, much as they did with the Kratos.

The custodes tanks don't have tracks, nor do potential dark mech tanks or mech knights if they make it over to plastic.

Fun that it's a subjective term though.

Yeah I'd put money on the Fellblade chassis transitioning across to plastic. Would love to get a plastic Falchion.

 Tamereth wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping these versions of Saturnine Terminators were also going to have the "Gun on Top" thing too - maybe as an upgrade sprue/new variant later on?

The heavy bolter between the shoulder pads was the coolest feature of the original model. Shame it seems to have been dropped.

Original model didn't have a heavy bolter.

Dudeface wrote:

 Snord wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last HH roadmap we saw have 2025 down as the year of Tanks?

...correct me if WarCom is wrong, but we're in May and we've only had two tanks, both for the Mechanicum?

It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

Are we equating the enplacement and the dread as a tank as well, or are we limiting it to specifically boxy shaped things?

I suspect the superheavies are coming soon based on stocking and rumours.

I'd at least restrict "Tanks" to non-walker, non-flyer vehicles.

A new Knight (or the Dark Mech things we've seen in LI) wouldn't count under my criteria, for example, nor would the Arvus.

 Snord wrote:
It wasn't so much a roadmap - more of a dotted line drawn on a napkin...

I guess there are still 7 months left which could, in theory, be filled with tanks.

It's pretty clear that the release schedule has changed (probably multiple times) since that 'roadmap', and whatever was planned back then isn't the timing that actually transpired. With 40k stuff being crammed into the front half of 2025, GW may have decided to delay some HH kits until after the new edition launch. If I had to bet I'd agree that a plastic marine super-heavy chassis will arrive around Aug-Oct time as a headline release.

At the same time it's worth noting that there's still several tank options which exist exclusively to either AoD or LI, but should be released for the other scale. We may see some of those gaps filled this summer too.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:


...

Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Replaced by Saturnine spam no doubt

One thing I do like about the Saturnine design is that it actually looks like it could be a modified pressure suit, per the lore. I’d love to see some Mechanicum guys in a similar design with modified welding gear as weapons.

 tauist wrote:

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:


...

Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Replaced by Saturnine spam no doubt

Like the models in the last starter box (okay, there was one (1) Contemptor)? Or those in the Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum boxes?

New stuff from Horus Hearsay

Hearing dreadnoughts are getting vehicle stats again. Makes us definitely think the throwing marines thing is true - makes a lot of sense.

If it works for Blood Bowl it should work for HH. Death Guard with their Pickelhaube helmets may get a bonus, like the goblins from the Doom Diver.

Ah fantastic, that looks like a Crosshair token on the right. That'll be useful for me remembering that my Vigilator has a Marked Target, because I always forget.

Borked Tank looks to be Tactical Borked Tank.

I think I’m seeing a foot impression on the left hand side. I mean, I know that’s what I’m seeing, but accept that might not be what it is,

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Borked Tank looks to be Tactical Borked Tank.

I think I’m seeing a foot impression on the left hand side. I mean, I know that’s what I’m seeing, but accept that might not be what it is,

That bit looks like it's what the saturnine praetor is standing on.

Dunno, I think he’s got the Standard Issue STC MK XCX Tactical Rockcrete.

Also, his foot looks to be further back on whatever he’s stood on, than the foot impression on the Borked Tank piece.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.


But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

yeah, i'm relatively hopeful here. as long as it's just a 2.5e, there's a lot of good it could do for the game

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New stuff from Horus Hearsay

Hearing dreadnoughts are getting vehicle stats again. Makes us definitely think the throwing marines thing is true - makes a lot of sense.

Someone on instagram said it looked like the front end of a rapier, specifically the LI one

 Snrub wrote:
Ah fantastic, that looks like a Crosshair token on the right. That'll be useful for me remembering that my Vigilator has a Marked Target, because I always forget.

It's one of the numbered objective(?) tokens already previewed.

Lanoc9 wrote:


Someone on instagram said it looked like the front end of a rapier, specifically the LI one

Probably, since it is too small for even a Sabre.

The "borked tank" bit could be the Centurion's Tactical Fender. Looks plausible. And the markers for Reactions.

The We wrote:
The "borked tank" bit could be the Centurion's Tactical Fender. Looks plausible. And the markers for Reactions.

It's a tactical rock in the form of rapier tracks. You can see a foot on one end and it matchs the LI plastic model.

None of the models in the box are standing on the rapier tho. Could be a future kit.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
None of the models in the box are standing on the rapier tho. Could be a future kit.

May be the front foot of the IW praetor in power armor.

Some new stuff on Horushearsay

Combi-melta, orders, the Legion dice and a dual-plasma... thing.

Nice. Plasma Blaster to my eyes.


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Hearsay wrote: Rumour has it characters can now issue orders to units, like in Legions Imperialis. If true, could be a really interesting mechanic for adding even more flavour to Legions!

Could be true. Could be them playing with internet speculation re the counters.

So NOW we’re hearing that the d18 is just a d20 with the 2 and the 11 scratched off.

Cool and thematic? Or are d20s cheaper to manufacture? Both?

Could just be mince. I honestly don’t know.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

So NOW we’re hearing that the d18 is just a d20 with the 2 and the 11 scratched off.

Cool and thematic? Or are d20s cheaper to manufacture? Both?

Could just be mince. I honestly don’t know.

Actually the 2 and 11 are for Mechanicum respectively Forces of the Emperor.

So when you go to a tournament you bring your 20 armies and then roll before each game which you use.

I have no opinion on whether or not there will be a random legion generator, but if GW were so inclined, it would make for a decent trinket for those pre-order bonuses they've been doing for launch boxes bought straight from GW's online store.

Are the combi-melta & plasma thing the Praetors weapons (But I hope the terminator Praetor isn't in 70 parts!)?

I’m not going to rule it out, but I don’t think so.

The Combi-Melta is a single piece, with a standard flat shoulder connection point, with the square similar to what we see on the MkVI Marines.



So I think it’s more likely a standard upgrade.

Plasma Blaster looks have an under slung mounting. What it might belong to, I’ve no idea.

It looks like there is a bit of tactical rock/base gubbinz in the bottom right of that pic, so i'd say more likely to be character than a generic upgrade sprue?

From the blurry pic of the back of the box, I can't quite make out what exactly is in the left hand of the mkii character, but does look like he's holding/cradling something, so it could be this...?

Maybe it could be a generic plastic centurion/praetor kit. They could be doing what they did with the contemptor kit in the 2.0 box. Get the body and single frame of weapons and later on after initial release, drop the full kit for retail.

Could be a Veterans upgrade sprue?

Combi melta sprue also has a tactical rock, so probably the Mk2 hero

Plasma blastgun makes me think one of the existing terminator kits is being redone

All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

Some people are convinced it's the same arm as the Loyalist Champion Consul (just with a strap added)

It’s certainly bloody close, isn’t it?

It's a combi-melta. You don't have to invent the wheel anew. It's not the same though - details are sharper and there's no cast-on section on the handle.

beast_gts wrote:
Are the combi-melta & plasma thing the Praetors weapons (But I hope the terminator Praetor isn't in 70 parts!)?

Yes, 100%. It's not even a question.

The Saturnine Praetor has a wrist mounted plasma blastgun and the MkII Praetor is carrying a slung bolter.

Yeah, I agree. The pic is of course super blurry, but you can see just enough detail on the Saturnine guy to see the pull bar thing on the back of his weapon.

Also, looking at the pic again? I’m loving that the Saturnine Terminator’s seem to be aping the original original Chaos Dreadnought’s plasma cannon.

Regard, with your eyes, if you will, and with your knees if you absolutely must.





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In fact, they’re probably about the same size, model for model.

Could this be a mash up retcon of the two designs?

That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

It’s Rogue Trader.

The only thing on anyone’s mind was AWESOME.

That’s a true fact that is. Ask science if you want. I think you’ll find it’ll tut at you and say “duuuhhhhhhh”.

Apart from that, another silent Thursday tho?

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Apart from that, another silent Thursday tho?

i assume they're replacing Heresy Thursdays with Lord of the Thursdays until it's time to start promoting the new edition

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

Sure, but that dreadnought just looks too Tyranid/Genestealerish too me.

But well, who knows, enjoy this artwork instead.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

Chaos and Tyranids have always overlapped a little regarding the bio-mechanical look, and until they learned to fill their own niche they had plenty of overlaps like this.

Sure, but that dreadnought just looks too Tyranid/Genestealerish too me.

But well, who knows, enjoy this artwork instead.

The faces look about as lovely as the ones' from the Mutilator that released 30 years later and had probably the shortest lifetime of any 40K Model since 2000's...

Giving it a Genestealer-esque colour scheme really highlights the similarities, but paint the cabling as more mechanical (and add a good dose of ol' fashioned RED) and it's a lot more subtle.



...and now I've gone and persuaded myself to go and buy one off eBay...

More importantly, was I the only person who noticed that the person who posted the leaked box had two different shoes? Very odd.

For the Chaos Dreadnoughts, why did they move away from those styles? I think they really stand out, in a good way.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
That dreadnought always looked to me more like Tyranid/Genestealer infested than Chaos. I really wonder what the sculptor had in mind back then.

They were obviously heavily influenced by HR Giger and Alien. Plus some Terry Gilliam and probably some Dr Who as well. Both early Chaos and early Tyranids were spin-offs of the same aesthetic. Funny to see it re-emerge in the new Saturnine models.


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 Quixote wrote:
More importantly, was I the only person who noticed that the person who posted the leaked box had two different shoes? Very odd.

For the Chaos Dreadnoughts, why did they move away from those styles? I think they really stand out, in a good way.

I noticed it too. The car has a very 'lived in' look.

I think they moved away from that look because it was part of the Tyranid aesthetic. Although they've always liked having tubes and hoses on everything.

That plastic combibolter makes me think we might be seeing some sort of Veteran upgrade sprue sooner or later..

I think Heresy thursdays have been put on hold for now.. its only hearsays for the remainder of those 400 hours

MOAR!





Rumour has it that the campaign for the edition is gonna focus on the Shattered Legions - some realy cool opportunities for raven guard, salamanders, and iron hands scenarios…

Well. We didn’t see this coming. How could we? We’re not mind readers. Rumour has it that the psychic phase is making a return, and that there’s a Psychic Lore for EACH INDIVIDUAL LEGION.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MOAR!

The piece on the sprue is one of the upper front plates from the Saturnine Dread.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The faces look about as lovely as the ones' from the Mutilator that released 30 years later and had probably the shortest lifetime of any 40K Model since 2000's...

That honor probably belongs to the metal Possessed that got released for the Medusa V campaign and were replaced by plastic Possessed in a year or so.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well. We didn’t see this coming. How could we? We’re not mind readers. Rumour has it that the psychic phase is making a return, and that there’s a Psychic Lore for EACH INDIVIDUAL LEGION.

I'll be disappointed if this is true and Imperial Fists don't get seven shades of instant fortification.

Well can't say I like any of the Saturnine models, undoubtedly pretty marmite. Really just waiting out on actual sensible news on the rules, will be tapping out if it's a complete revision (or port to the current version of 40k...), rather than a minor update / tweaking to fix the actual issues with the current rules.


On a different note, surprised there's been no mention of this (that I can see)...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/v25ljay9/warhammer-tv-this-week-uncover-a-plot-to-kill-the-warmaster-in-a-new-trailer/

The trailer is pretty cool, plus its the first 30k animation (I believe?) and it's set in the Siege of Terra - slightly surprising given they seem to be avoiding the Siege so far in 30k/LI/AT so far and I think most peoples assumptions have been they'll leave it for quite a while before approaching the siege, sign of a change...? Given the titan-centric focus, maybe an LI Siege book to come (oh if only!)...

Siege of Terra seems to be a "break in case of emergency" narrative gate as far as game expansion goes. It seems to be set up as tbe settings "End Times" scenario, looming on the horizon but forever out of reach. Its a line that will be crossed potentially once other ideas are exhausted and The Scouring remains the only path forward for continued ROI and profit.

Then again, Saturnine WAS the title of one of the Siege of Terra books, so *shrug*

With the Return to Istvaan, I hope we will see new Mk4 also in this Year.

Or in this Edition...

RazorEdge wrote:
With the Return to Istvaan, I hope we will see new Mk4 also in this Year.

Or in this Edition...

Last time GW gave folks a year to buy Mk.VI before they released Mk.III. I could see a repeat with Mk. IV.

If they were so inclined, they could go back to late Heresy three years from now and put Mk.V into the 4th ed starter box and follow that up in the same way with Mk.VII for loyalists. Then we'd have all the relevant marks sorted out.

I dont wanna wait another 3+ years for MkV :(

Wonder if we'll get some new Custodes in plastic for this edition.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

 Quixote wrote:
Wonder if we'll get some new Custodes in plastic for this edition.

Custodes for loyalists and darkmech for traitors would be balanced

Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Plastic upgrade kit for custodes dreadnought perhaps.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

My memory is a bit hazy, but were Dreadnoughts viewed as OP in 7th ed? I don't recall that being the case. Hull Points limited their longevity and AV limited their durability.

 Fayric wrote:
Plastic upgrade kit for custodes dreadnought perhaps.

3 vehicle kits, 2 dreadnought kits and a jump infantry at a minimum to port over, then heavy jetbikes and aquilon terminators. And a weapon sprue for the alternate lances and combi guns. No reason not to port the 40k units like the lighter jetbikes, wardens, and alternate terminators since marines now have 3 marks of terminator. Then there are the sisters of silence.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

I dunno, I think reverting Dreads to vehicles solves their power problem pretty easily. This makes me think that is pretty probable vs having to rework other stuff to keep them as-is.

Only if you ignore the fact that they were un-vehicled for a reason in the first place.

My memory is a bit hazy, but were Dreadnoughts viewed as OP in 7th ed? I don't recall that being the case. Hull Points limited their longevity and AV limited their durability.

The fundamental issue with walkers was that monstrous creatures were in direct competition with them and superior in most ways. What was to be a monstrous creature and what a vehicle wasn't always clear and GW really started slipping around 5th ed. Probably because the disparity between both categories was never fixed and it was easier to just make something work by making it a monstrous creature.

I don't know how much of that made it into Horus Heresy as the big offenders were Eldar, Tau and Grey Knights, none of which exist in 30k. For that reason alone I found the change to Dreadnoughts away from vehicles odd at the time.

In my experience Dreadnoughts tended to be fine the way the were from 3rd ed to 7th ed because front and side armor values were the same and the 180° fire angle to the front made them easy to use, generally. As vehicles with the option for close combat weapons immobilizing them could have an especially detrimental effect, which is the smaller reason for the popularity of dual ranged weapon Dreadnoughts. And with the introduction of hull points and the increasing number of heavy weapons in many armies AV12 wasn't worth as much as it was in earlier editions.

Mod edit - removed..

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2rwd3d6m/horus-heresy-preview-celebrate-with-us/




Well plans have been... advanced.

And on that bombshell.

23 May, 7pm British Summertime?

Dropsite Preview. We already knew this, but some posts deserve to be lost in the mists of time.

Will it be just the Saturnine box, or will other stuff be shown? Some of the missing tanks? Rapiers? Las/heavy bolter tarantulas?

Who knows! I’m going to assume not, and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Wait and see I guess. With any luck theyll also preview the next wave of LI too, but that may be me getting my hopes up.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Siege of Terra seems to be a "break in case of emergency" narrative gate as far as game expansion goes. It seems to be set up as tbe settings "End Times" scenario, looming on the horizon but forever out of reach. Its a line that will be crossed potentially once other ideas are exhausted and The Scouring remains the only path forward for continued ROI and profit.

Then again, Saturnine WAS the title of one of the Siege of Terra books, so *shrug*

The very first Campaign book is concurrent with and past the Siege timeline wise, they're just covering events randomly as they want. I doubt even if they do a Siege campaign that they'll run out of other theaters to cover or make up at whenever in the timeline they want.

They're starting to do the SoT characters already too.

Horus, Fulgrim, Angron done. Valrak was talking about a new Dorn too I think? Not sure how solid that was though.

Finally, the Summer of Fliers

 Platuan4th wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Siege of Terra seems to be a "break in case of emergency" narrative gate as far as game expansion goes. It seems to be set up as tbe settings "End Times" scenario, looming on the horizon but forever out of reach. Its a line that will be crossed potentially once other ideas are exhausted and The Scouring remains the only path forward for continued ROI and profit.

Then again, Saturnine WAS the title of one of the Siege of Terra books, so *shrug*

The very first Campaign book is concurrent with and past the Siege timeline wise, they're just covering events randomly as they want. I doubt even if they do a Siege campaign that they'll run out of other theaters to cover or make up at whenever in the timeline they want.

Doesnt Siege of Cthonia being during/just after the Siege of Terra just prove my point? Theyll do everything but the big event itself.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Finally, the Summer of Fliers

Oh you’ve cursed it now!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Finally, the Summer of Fliers

Oh you’ve cursed it now!

Plastic Thunderhawk confirmed. Need a centerpiece model for the new edition after all.

Stop maiming it worse!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Finally, the Summer of Fliers

Oh you’ve cursed it now!

Plastic Thunderhawk confirmed. Need a centerpiece model for the new edition after all.

Nah, we need a BIGGER bigger bigger dreadnought. Ideally something about Knight sized, but a little bigger, that I can model as a Castraferrum wrangling a Knight, standing on top of it with reins and a cowboy had and a multimelta pointed at the throne hatch and actually I don't need GW at this point. I just need another knight kit.

Oh my sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair!

I’m a Dreadhed. Dreadnoughts are cool. No, cooler than that,

I’ll pay good honest money for a Knight sized Dread!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh my sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair!

I’m a Dreadhed. Dreadnoughts are cool. No, cooler than that,

I’ll pay good honest money for a Knight sized Dread!

...wouldn't that just be a Knight, then?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh my sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair!

I’m a Dreadhed. Dreadnoughts are cool. No, cooler than that,

I’ll pay good honest money for a Knight sized Dread!

Surprisingly not that much money

https://www.joytoy.com/products/imperial-fists-leviathan-dreadnought-with-cyclonic-melta-lance-and-storm-cannon

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh my sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair!

I’m a Dreadhed. Dreadnoughts are cool. No, cooler than that,

I’ll pay good honest money for a Knight sized Dread!

Surprisingly not that much money

https://www.joytoy.com/products/imperial-fists-leviathan-dreadnought-with-cyclonic-melta-lance-and-storm-cannon

Amazingly that is $10AU or about $6.60US cheaper than buying the actual leviathan kit from GW....

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Amazingly that is $10AU or about $6.60US cheaper than buying the actual leviathan kit from GW....

"Why yes, tell me again how affordable GW kits are"


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well. We didn’t see this coming. How could we? We’re not mind readers. Rumour has it that the psychic phase is making a return, and that there’s a Psychic Lore for EACH INDIVIDUAL LEGION.

...yeah, that screams "2.5 edition, just small fixes" to me >_>

If it’s even true

The only way to celebrate the Horus Heresy is to release a new Titan. Adeptus Titanicus was the game that introduced the era after all.

You might not be wrong...the wording seems to imply previews for more than just the Horus Heresy game, definitely feels that there will be something for LI and perhaps even something compatible for Titanicus...

A 'host of games' seems a stretch for just two, but add in Aero and Titanicus (and the RPG) and that feels about right.

No way it'll be HH 3rd Ed and Battlefleet Heresy though

Maybe that new animation is a precursor to a plastic Warlord Titan?

[/sarcasm]

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh my sweet summer child, with ribbons in your hair!

I’m a Dreadhed. Dreadnoughts are cool. No, cooler than that,

I’ll pay good honest money for a Knight sized Dread!

...wouldn't that just be a Knight, then?

Well, they have a nearly titan-sized Knight, so...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If it’s even true

Well, yeah, who knows at this point xD

I'm kind of expecting they'll change it enough that you need to buy it, though, like they do with every other edition of their games, so I don't expect it will just be the same rules with a sane layout and organization...

 Tastyfish wrote:
You might not be wrong...the wording seems to imply previews for more than just the Horus Heresy game, definitely feels that there will be something for LI and perhaps even something compatible for Titanicus...

A 'host of games' seems a stretch for just two, but add in Aero and Titanicus (and the RPG) and that feels about right.

No way it'll be HH 3rd Ed and Battlefleet Heresy though

With GW continuing to include AT rules support with LI kits and even update the FAQs (as recently as this week), I've been half-hoping half-expecting that AT will get something new. While I highly doubt that will be an entirely new edition, an updated starter box certainly isn't out of the question. They could throw in some of the more recent kits like Dire Wolves or Mechanicum knights as a soft relaunch of the game system.

Ultimate copium is of course a new titan kit... and I wouldn't put it past GW to release that first and follow up with the discounted AT starter box some months later.

Apologies if splitting hairs? But AT has received new units in the shape of the Dark Mechanicum Walker things.

Not exactly Titans, and not a branded release, but added all the same.

I guess they could annoucne the next LI Expansion which also Returns to Istvaan.

One hour is awfully long for just introducing 3rd edition and Saturnine box. I bet other systems will be getting reveals as well (AI is the least likely one to see new stuff though)

That Joytoy levi is an interesting one, and again makes me think its proportions are subtly refined by the Joytoy design team, kind of like how the Joytoy Redoptor Dread looks better than the GW model as well..

RazorEdge wrote:
I guess they could annoucne the next LI Expansion which also Returns to Istvaan.

Coordinating the focus does seem like a good hook to encourage gamers to play both systems if they don't already, and sell a multi-game system campaign supplement.

They can absolutely spin the contents of that box out to an hour, but odds are good they'll show a couple of short teases for upcoming kits too. Would expect it all to be horus heresy though, shoeing in LI stuff would muddy the water

 CragHack wrote:
Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Honestly if custodes got nothing new except turning forgeworld vehicles into plastic, I’d be satisfied, since even if I had the money to splurge on a gravtank they’re always out of stock. Hopefully it being out of stock is because of that, but the pessimist in me is just thinking they’re bad at stocking items.

Billicus wrote:
They can absolutely spin the contents of that box out to an hour, but odds are good they'll show a couple of short teases for upcoming kits too. Would expect it all to be horus heresy though, shoeing in LI stuff would muddy the water

I’m not sure on that.

It’s branded as “Warhammer The Horus Heresy”, rather than Warhammer, The Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness”.

So they’ve gone for the umbrella of the setting.

What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

Low, but not zero.

Oh, yeah, reading the thing on warhammer community it does sound as though there'll at least be some black library or warhammertv stuff shown too.

The "age of darkness" subtitle was for the 2e box set, the equivalent of Leviathan, I wouldn't have said its exclusion means anything personally

The_Pilot wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Why? All you need to play Custodes and win games is in one box.

Honestly if custodes got nothing new except turning forgeworld vehicles into plastic, I’d be satisfied, since even if I had the money to splurge on a gravtank they’re always out of stock. Hopefully it being out of stock is because of that, but the pessimist in me is just thinking they’re bad at stocking items.

Last week I got a Voucher from GW for having placed an order 1 year ago. Of all the things I wanted to get from GW directly(which amounts to Forgeworldstuff that you can't get with 20% off elsewhere) only a single item currently is not out of stock...

I was in same boat earlier this year...everything i wanted was "Temporarily out of stock". I even tried snagging the EC box...operative word, TRIED.

Not a fan of the "Saturnine" models. They all seem big just for the sake of being big.

Waiting for solid information on rules before commenting on the usefulness of this new edition.

Saturnine looks a lot like militarized industrial equipment- bulky, ponderous, heavily plated and armed as weapon platforms. The armor looks like it evolved both up into dreadnought chassis and down into the more agile cataphractii, then the more advanced but lighter Tarvaris and then the cheaper and easier to field/maintain indomitus. The saturnine dread looks like it evolved down into the more compact leviathan, or up into the more refined and agile telemon.

Later, even centuries could be an attempt to fill the role of walking gun platform, but without the ability to build saturnine armor, ended up an exosuit over power armor to make it work

Billicus wrote:
They can absolutely spin the contents of that box out to an hour, but odds are good they'll show a couple of short teases for upcoming kits too. Would expect it all to be horus heresy though, shoeing in LI stuff would muddy the water

Are you thankful the preview is scheduled for UK primetime hours?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Not a fan of the "Saturnine" models. They all seem big just for the sake of being big.

Waiting for solid information on rules before commenting on the usefulness of this new edition.

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I dislike them as well. saves me money, I don't need more models. Hoping the rules are just some clean up.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
What are the odds that the Imperial Knight Defender will be allowable in HH?

Or that we'll get a LI/AT version?

Low, but not zero.

Never tell me the odds.


Any idea, when this new book is due out?

Surely the big Summer Edition slot? Which month were Leviathan, Skaventide?

These days we should expect a release in the last two weeks of June, with pre-orders starting two weeks prior. Provided GW doesn't find an excuse to do things differently.

Saturnine is a nice title, its meaning is more or less grimdark as a state of mind

Kind of like the dreadnought. If it was for 40k I would be all over it, but no, Im not tempted to buy these models.

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

 Fayric wrote:

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

This is by far the biggest issue of HH

While TOW has the same glut of rules, I think they're at least laid out and indexed properly, so there is hope for some improvement on that front.

Considering GW still can't put the entries for Codex nor Battletomes in alphabetical order or any kind of logical order at all - I don't hold out hope for a sane layout.

They USED to be able to do this - 3rd-ed codex were laid out logically; but GW has had odd mandates like not putting points on the warscrolls; putting rules in tables in other parts of the book; not cross referencing or having an index and ever since they lost the FOC they've never laid out the units in any logical order - for ages now.

It just feels like they don't have an actual editor reviewing the layout and structuring it to make sense. Or the whole thing is developed by different staff and no one staffer is in charge so they all turn in their "sections" of the codex and its put in a rough-random order and that's it.

Many times GW games are hard to learn not because they are complicated but because the rules are scatter shot all over the place.

Even an unwieldy design team doesn't explain absolutely unhinged gak like Neutron Blaster being under "Las weapons" but Lascutter being under "Exotic Weapons"

Or Breacher Charges being alphabetized under "G" in one of the rare sections that is alphabetized because they're grenades (that have no mechanics in common with any other grenade type)

There really is no other way but up on this front (watch them prove me wrong)

not to distract everyone from their favorite hobby of Complaining, but do we have more information on what "Two Sets of Disintegrator Weapons" refers to?

Just guessing here, but it seems a "set" may be a sprue of 5 rifle-sized weapons and 5 heavy weapons, thereby allowing a set of probably 10 Tactical Support w/ disintegrator rifles and 10 Heavy Support w/ disintegrator heavies?

alternatively, from the image, it kinda looks like there's two squads of ten dudes mainly with disintegrator rifles and one disintegrator heavy - which probably explains the "veteran legionary" caption on the fella with the disintegrator heavy. so maybe a single "Set of Disintegrator Weapons' is 8-10 rifles, 1 heavy, 1+ pistols?

At the moment? We can only extrapolate from existing weapon upgrades.

For ranged, we’re the Special Weapons and there flavour of Heavy Weapons. Each offers 10 of multiple weapons, and for the shoulder mounted heavy weapons at least, replacement arms.

I’d assume this will be along similar lines. But, we’ve also the Close Combat Weapon sprue, which offers a more eclectic range.

I would guess a sprue would be 5 special and 5 heavy, a "set" would be 10 and 10. Two s3ts to me indicates 20 + 20.

 Fayric wrote:
Saturnine is a nice title, its meaning is more or less grimdark as a state of mind

Kind of like the dreadnought. If it was for 40k I would be all over it, but no, Im not tempted to buy these models.

Would be nice if they could clean up the disposition of special rules so they are all easily found at the same place. I dont play enough to learn them by heart or even if they come from the faction book or the main rules.

Worse, they're scattered between 2 sections in each book - with no reference as to wich, or page #s... More times been wasted looking for rules than arguing about them.

One of the guys I play with finally just made a giant combined alphabetized list & printed off copies for each of us.

Eeeeeeeven MOAR?

Yup. MOAR!



We’re hearing that Dreadnoughts are going back on square bases! Which makes total sense as they are sort of square anyway. Seems legit. Makes armour facings easier to work out, at least.



We’re hearing rumours of a Blood Bowl-style weather chart! Could lead some some super interesting battlefield interactions tbf. Death Guard – watch out for trench foot.

Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

I'm guessing that's our first look at a disintingrator rifle

Second.



I’m assuming today’s version is the heavy/special version, and Blurry One is the standard? Could be the other way around.

I would say other way around, given the weapon in the new on-sprue pic is held the same way as a bolter/special weapon and the blury pic of the Veteran Legionary I guess is the heavy version as it's held the same as other heavy weapons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

Servo skull is the Mk2 centurion's

I said from the start that all the text is pure gakposting, nothing is real except by accident

From the main blurry pic? The double barrel doesn’t seem to be the standard issue?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Of interest there is the claim about Dreadnoughts being on square bases. Which we know from the pic of the Saturnine Dread isn’t true. Which in turns means we can now no longer trust the text stuff.

No, the box release is just delayed to the end of the year as they must change the base.

Two bizarre things about the disintegrator rifle hands

Knuckle rivets

Wrist cut incompatible with normal heavy/special arms

No it isn't, there are cuts with the inner suit bit on a bunch of basic gun hands.

 Gert wrote:
No it isn't, there are cuts with the inner suit bit on a bunch of basic gun hands.

Yes, there is a similar wrist configuration on the other assault weapons. The rivets really should have been on all the special/heavy weapons, as Mk3 are supposed to have them - they can simply be shaved off for Mk6.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
From the main blurry pic? The double barrel doesn’t seem to be the standard issue?

Could be a side-by-side rather than over-under configuration. Or the today version is shorter ranged with multiple shots vs the blurry one being one shot but longer ranged.

Oi!

Oi you!

Why isn’t it Friday yet?

Finally caught up with the Kill Lupercal trailer. Now I am hoping that they are announcing a new AT Warlord kit with a gatling blaster, quake cannon, and Lucius head sprue. Maybe carapace vulcans since those were in the Exodite animation Warlords

Base plate for the honking great turret thing.

It still is the quintessential fail of the box.... And i like everything emplacement and artillery.

Also still no rules, which at this stage far more important.

Trust me, we'll be spammed for at least a month about why life isn't worth living without 3rd edition 30K.

SamusDrake wrote:
Trust me, we'll be spammed for at least a month about why life isn't worth living without 3rd edition 30K.

Odd, my reddit feed spammed me the last 4 months on why life isn't worth living with a 3rd ed 30k.

Dudeface wrote:
Odd, my reddit feed spammed me the last 4 months on why life isn't worth living with a 3rd ed 30k.

Fr fr tho, you'll be spammed with whatever gets clicks. HH is the worst thing ever until it comes out, then it's the best thing ever until GW announces the next thing.

I enjoyed their fake rumours site for a while - including the damage control they did when the box art leaked. Now it seems pointless. Showing us pieces from the sprues (when we’ve already seen the models) doesn’t generate excitement; it’s just mildly annoying. They need to start some previewing of the rules changes, even if it’s just high level.

 Snord wrote:
I enjoyed their fake rumours site for a while - including the damage control they did when the box art leaked. Now seems pointless. Showing us pieces from the sprues (when we’ve already seen the models) doesn’t generate excitement; it’s just mildly annoying. They need to start some previewing of the rules changes, even if it’s just high level.

With the big reveal (presumably! Could still be something else but super low chance) on Friday, I’d imagine we’d start getting rules info starting next week, and will know if this is definitely New Edition, and not “we’ve tidied it all up and made some small changes”

Well they did a tidied up book for MESBG two years ago in Battle of Pelennor Fields and that wasn't marketed as a new edition.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I enjoyed their fake rumours site for a while - including the damage control they did when the box art leaked. Now seems pointless. Showing us pieces from the sprues (when we’ve already seen the models) doesn’t generate excitement; it’s just mildly annoying. They need to start some previewing of the rules changes, even if it’s just high level.

With the big reveal (presumably! Could still be something else but super low chance) on Friday, I’d imagine we’d start getting rules info starting next week, and will know if this is definitely New Edition, and not “we’ve tidied it all up and made some small changes”

They will be fully aware that "is this an actually new edition or just a tidied up 2.5?" is THE question of interest to most HH players. If they do not adress it in Fridays preview, I would consider it proper trolling of the community.

Seriously, there's a quilted cushion to paint behind a Saturnine's head ffs

No idea what that crescent is on the second pic

More closeup shots of sprues when we've already seen the models.. the hearsay marketing team got the wind blown out of them by those early pict leaks. Why bother at this point?

Might as well just can the whole site and wait for friday to roll along

You know a good many people will only look at the official site and don't lurk in forums/facebook/reddit

In the end its just teasers, don't overthink/worry about it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

lol they're taking design cues from Wilph, the circle turns

The "quilting" was also on the legion praetor with axe, and maybe on other models before? IDK.

They are not copying some random STLs

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
The "quilting" was also on the legion praetor with axe, and maybe on other models before? IDK.

They are not copying some random STLs

Amen. Just a bad take to say that theyre copying stl creators who themselves copied GW

 Overread wrote:
You know a good many people will only look at the official site and don't lurk in forums/facebook/reddit

In the end its just teasers, don't overthink/worry about it.

Except that the same page that is posting these images already reposted some of the leaked images themselves earlier. So whoever sees these sprue snippets also saw the earlier leak

Just noticed the filename of the second pic:

stop-reading-image-file-names-there-are-no-clues-here.jpg

Genius 😂

The gakposting has been exquisite

But it was the box leak that saved it

As leak damage control the gakposting is hilarious

If, as GW intended, the gakposts were all we had and we didn't know about the box, it would have been the most frustrating spoiler campaign ever

2 days to go

lord_blackfang wrote:Seriously, there's a quilted cushion to paint behind a Saturnine's head ffs

No idea what that crescent is on the second pic

Thumb and forefinger.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Seriously, there's a quilted cushion to paint behind a Saturnine's head ffs

No idea what that crescent is on the second pic

Thumb and forefinger.

Blackfang means the striated crescent on the top left.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Seriously, there's a quilted cushion to paint behind a Saturnine's head ffs

No idea what that crescent is on the second pic

Thumb and forefinger.

Blackfang means the striated crescent on the top left.

Oh, *that* one.

Obviously it's a preview of the Necromunda/Mad Max crossover boomerang weapon for the Feral Kid.

I've been thinking about it, and besides balance updates, what I most want out of a clean-up edition of heresy is for them to bring back item lists. item lists just make things so much cleaner, so it's weird for HH to have gotten rid of them

oh, and more variant FOC charts, rather than just the one for everyone and every army (with one or two mediocre exceptions). i don't need it to be seventh edition-level, but a few faction-specific extras for more variation within armies would be nice

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
oh, and more variant FOC charts, rather than just the one for everyone and every army (with one or two mediocre exceptions). i don't need it to be seventh edition-level, but a few faction-specific extras for more variation within armies would be nice

Or at least scalable FOCs. Things like the old days where for every 1000 points larger you added 2 Troop and one of each other slot to your core FOC. And maybe make a variety of Allied FOCs, so you could choose one major ally with more slots, or two or three separate allied forces with a more minimal selection of slots.

I mean, if you're talking about games in the 6K mark usually that's the point where you just start tossing in the occasional house rule, or multiple allied detachments.

As for varying detachments, that is kind of what a Rite of War is for. Some of them such as Pride do incur restrictions or allowances on how many force org slots you take.

Yea more flexibility just leads to more derangement

My wild guess, with no basis in any rumours:
3rd is a tweak edition, like 40k 3rd-4th-5th
Faction books stay valid, but GW starts a Legion splatbook (arcane journal) treadmill, when your book comes out you still need Astartes/Hereticus for vanilla units but your legion pages get replaced by the journal.
We all lose our minds because journal legions are two tiers above nonjournal legions and the last legion doesn't even get a book before 4th edition.

On Rites of War? For those reading who are looking at Heresy and thinking Marine v Marine must get boring super quickly…

That’s what Rites of War are about. They radically change how your force plays. Yes most things will be base T4 3+ Sv. But the makeup of your army can and will vary wildly.

So I really don’t see them going away. Reworked, tweaked, maybe some switched out for others? Sure. But not removed entirely.

I hope this edition sees some cool daemons of ruinstorm and dark mech releases. Spider tank has got to be around the corner, right?

I hope so. I’m well impressed with the epic scale Dark Mechanicum, and we defo need that in 28mm.

The spiders are Knight sized tho, if they ever come in 28mm they will be near the last kit for Dark Mech, not the first?

There’s not currently a lot else though.


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No idea what that is, but it looks neat!

Small chance it's the back of the dreadnought, but most likely this is a pure troll, not in the box. Maybe a later Mechanicum bit, maybe totally unrelated (like Votann)

That's a kustom force field. Heresy era Orks confirmed!

I think the troll here is that it's upside down. Considering how huge Saturnine Terminators are it might be a force field upgrade that goes between the shoulders, with the vent bits sitting under the shoulder pads.

MOAR GAKPOSTING!

On Your Marks!

We’re hearing that armour marks are no longer just aesthetic, and that units will only get the benefit of their legion rules if they’re wearing the correct mark of armour.

Iron Warriors in MKIII, Death Guard in MKII, etc…

Quite right too!

UNITS SWITCHING SIDES??

Okay, this is big.

Obviously the Horus Heresy’s all about betrayal. We are now hearing that there’s a mechanic being introduced in the new edition that allows units to leave one army and join the other MID-GAME. Not sure on details yet but will update here if we hear more. Possibly something to do with that D18!?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
MOAR GAKPOSTING!

On Your Marks!

We’re hearing that armour marks are no longer just aesthetic, and that units will only get the benefit of their legion rules if they’re wearing the correct mark of armour.

Iron Warriors in MKIII, Death Guard in MKII, etc…

Quite right too!

UNITS SWITCHING SIDES??

Okay, this is big.

Obviously the Horus Heresy’s all about betrayal. We are now hearing that there’s a mechanic being introduced in the new edition that allows units to leave one army and join the other MID-GAME. Not sure on details yet but will update here if we hear more. Possibly something to do with that D18!?

Smart move. If some of your units don't have the right mark and the opponent's army has, they'll switch sides.

Or you can exploit it, give some of your Iron Warriors Mk6 suits and when they start losing their minds you gift them to your opponent

Sounds like some Alpha Legion gak to me.

I also heard that vehicles which are painted red will automatically go faster…

The gakposting is spot on.

I appreciate it’s irritating some, and fair enough there.

But man, I’m just giggling at the daftness.

 Malika2 wrote:
I also heard that vehicles which are painted red will automatically go faster…

Sure, but the blue ones have some re-rolls and the yellow more weapon options. And we didn't even talked about camouflage, Boarbrothers and Scarmarines.

I think the only people irritated are those whove posted the type of inane theories and speculation they are parodying it. Looking at yourself in a mirror and realizing youre a clown can be hard.

Perhaps for some, sure.

But comedy, even this tomfoolery is inherently subjective.

Ah yes people who want news about something they care about and have a large financial investment in but instead are being trolled from an official corporate account with cardboard dreadnoughts and square bases are clowns if they're irritated by it.

Me, I'm chill because the box leaked and it's cool af and I can take the trolling as entertainment to pass the time until the "reveal". If the box hadn't leaked, I'd be pretty livid at the disrespect.

Calm down, its just a bit of fun.

I for one am really relaxed, leaks or not. I don't play Marines and of course the box is Marines only, but that was pre-defined and not hard to guess. I'm not miffed about their 'rumours', I think it's better than giving us just some rule snippets without context.

Geifer wrote:That's a kustom force field. Heresy era Orks confirmed!

I think the troll here is that it's upside down. Considering how huge Saturnine Terminators are it might be a force field upgrade that goes between the shoulders, with the vent bits sitting under the shoulder pads.

You might have hit on something there - maybe the Saturine Terminators (and Dread?) will have some sort of improved force field/invulnerable save mechanic?

lord_blackfang wrote:Ah yes people who want news about something they care about and have a large financial investment in but instead are being trolled from an official corporate account with cardboard dreadnoughts and square bases are clowns if they're irritated by it.

Me, I'm chill because the box leaked and it's cool af and I can take the trolling as entertainment to pass the time until the "reveal". If the box hadn't leaked, I'd be pretty livid at the disrespect.

I'm kind of on your side here?

It does feel like there's a bit of mean-spirited something or other lurking just below the surface, maybe?

Either way, not a good idea to subtly (or not so subtly) tweak your customer base because you're annoyed by yet another release leak.

they already have a reveal stream announced. we're going to be getting the real information tomorrow. it's harmless for them to joke around for a little

also, what does having spending money on the game have to do with them doing a meme website? does you spending money grant you more entitlement towards reveals?

Hearsay website was up before the leak. For all we know, other than them acknowledging it the day of? Everything else shown off/claimed was going to be anyway.

Huh?

Did someone claim that...it did?

No humour is universal, I'd go as far as to say this might be more more British aligned humour as well. Most of those annoyed or not getting it do seem to not be British (unless their indicators are wrong).

Nobody is wrong for not getting it or even not liking it, but it's a hard sell to say there's intended insult from the marketing campaign.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they already have a reveal stream announced. we're going to be getting the real information tomorrow. it's harmless for them to joke around for a little

also, what does having spending money on the game have to do with them doing a meme website? does you spending money grant you more entitlement towards reveals?

Huh?

Did someone claim that...it did?

The basic point is that it isn't usually a good idea to insult your customer base - and we've seen in this thread that some actual customers are at least...annoyed.

It's a fine line to walk, this satire/poking fun thing they're attempting to do...so much so, that it usually isn't worth doing?

But hey, I suppose something is better than nothing?

(Maybe!)

Either way - Friday will be here soon enough!

Tomorrow in fact!

Eh this kind of annoyance is basically a storm in a teacup. It's not annoyance but impatience.

They know something awesome is coming and they want all the details on it and when they have all the details they want the prices and then the order date an then the shipping date.

All those things will happen on set dates; GW having fun with a leaks-site promoting things and getting everyone talking about it is not going to change the dates.
It's also very unlikely anyone will get turned off; if they are hyped they are hyped. Anyone who says it "stopped them buying it" was already looking for an excuse to not buy into it and would have likely latched onto something else to justify them stepping away.

 Alpharius wrote:

Either way, not a good idea to subtly (or not so subtly) tweak your customer base because you're annoyed by yet another release leak.

I'm not sure that's what is going on here - I checked the WHOIS data for the domain, and it was registered back in March, comfortably in advance of the leak.

Dudeface wrote:
Nobody is wrong for not getting it or even not liking it, but it's a hard sell to say there's intended insult from the marketing campaign.

Of course it's not intended to insult customers, that'd be insane. But after months of Heresy players gnashing teeth over 3rd edition and what it will entail, making fun of those worries is a bit tone deaf. Think back to all the Old World speculation and drama that happened during the radio silence after the initial announcement. How well would it go over if they opened with a joke article that it's going to be 12mm scale on triangle bases and you can get +1 to hit if you set your army on fire*?

I think the humour is on point but it's not a great time for it. Published on April 1st it might have beat "How to Roll Citadel Dice" as the best gakpost

*I've now convinced myself that GW absolutely must do something with "set your old fantasy army on fire"

So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

I'm a big fan of MK.II for recon marines, I think I will start there. I have an extra Land Raider Proteus as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Nobody is wrong for not getting it or even not liking it, but it's a hard sell to say there's intended insult from the marketing campaign.

Of course it's not intended to insult customers, that'd be insane. But after months of Heresy players gnashing teeth over 3rd edition and what it will entail, making fun of those worries is a bit tone deaf.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this, in my eyes it's not GW that needed to have a look in the mirror if emotions are that high.

Yes Mk2 is optimal for Recon and Seekers (for eras, theatres and Legions with no access to Mk6)

Getting the box for sure, even if the book is bad. Always loved Saturnine and these are a good rendition, and the Dread is nice too.

Where they fit will depend on the profile. They are prooobably pretty redundant as a unit, I feel like all battlefield roles are well covered. But they can swap in for some firebase type unit like Rapiers or Predator squadrons or Grave Wardens or Boxnauts that are probably being squatted along with all other Legends. I'll be interested to see how vulnerable they are to dying to their own plasma.

I think that it has become a bit "tone deaf" at times lately - shout out to Lord BF!

MKII will probably go into my 'in planning' IW force, but you know I'm here mainly for the sweet, sweet Saturnine Terminators!

One fair complaint I've seen from the doom & gloom youtubers is that the Saturnine Praetor is probably bigger than a primarch, and that's silly.

From what we've seen so far scale-wise (from what we can tell), I don't think that's the case?

EDIT:

I just took another look - the Saturnine boys are pretty big!

24 hour warning!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
One fair complaint I've seen from the doom & gloom youtubers is that the Saturnine Praetor is probably bigger than a primarch, and that's silly.

The silly part is the primarchs being so big to begin with.

For me:

Mk 6 = Raven Guard and Alpha Legion
Mk 3 = Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Death Guard

Mk2 shall be Dark Angels, White Scars, and World Eaters.

I have spreadsheets planning all this out

lord_blackfang wrote:Yea more flexibility just leads to more derangement

My wild guess, with no basis in any rumours:
3rd is a tweak edition, like 40k 3rd-4th-5th
Faction books stay valid, but GW starts a Legion splatbook (arcane journal) treadmill, when your book comes out you still need Astartes/Hereticus for vanilla units but your legion pages get replaced by the journal.
We all lose our minds because journal legions are two tiers above nonjournal legions and the last legion doesn't even get a book before 4th edition.

I hate how likely you are to be correct in that.

Ill be honest, i kind of like the arcane journal format, wouldnt mind it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
For me:

Mk 6 = Raven Guard and Alpha Legion
Mk 3 = Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists, Death Guard

Mk2 shall be Dark Angels, White Scars, and World Eaters.

I have spreadsheets planning all this out

MkII iron warriors
MkIII Salamanders
MkIV ultramarines, Sons of Horus, Emperors Children

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

No real plans. My IWs already have all the PA infantry I need. So the spues will sit in on the shelf until I have a 30k/40k idea they'd be good for.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

2 boxes, so 80 Mk II:
20 Space Wolf Despoilers
10 Space Wolf Tactical
20 Iron Hands Tactical
10 Iron Hands Veterans
10 Iron Hands Disentigrators
10 Ultramarines Disintegrators

I've really got it in my head that the Saturnine box will look good as the start of an early Crusade Blood Angels force as something different from working on my mid-late Heresy Sons of Horus using the 2E kits. Especially as it seems like the lore around the Saturnine suits is that they're early and advanced tech from Terra, perfect for an early BA force conquering the Solar System.

Red might be one of the better colours for them in general!

Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

 Alpharius wrote:
Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

That's my plan. I box, with all the Saturnine figures going to Dark Angels. The Vets will be split between loyalist Emperor's Children and Space Wolves.

10 and a half hours to go.

I do hope we get more than just “here is box and stuff info about new toy rules”. Wouldn’t mind a preview of forthcoming kits.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Dark Angels too - those suits in black with some DA heraldry, red and some checkerboards should be rather smart looking too...

That's my plan. I box, with all the Saturnine figures going to Dark Angels. The Vets will be split between loyalist Emperor's Children and Space Wolves.

I was also thinking that the Saturnine models would look very good in DA livery. Their arcane appearance also sits well with the DA fluff. I'm still not sold on having any, but will likely get the boxed set when it comes out.

As for the Mk II models, I've never really understood why they are so popular. I'll probably mix them in with the Mk III and Mk VI models, as I like that look in Heresy units, but I would have 100% preferred Mk V.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
I've really got it in my head that the Saturnine box will look good as the start of an early Crusade Blood Angels force as something different from working on my mid-late Heresy Sons of Horus using the 2E kits. Especially as it seems like the lore around the Saturnine suits is that they're early and advanced tech from Terra, perfect for an early BA force conquering the Solar System.

the catch with the current lore though is that when the term Saturnine armor has showed up in the Horus Heresy rulebooks/suppliments, it's been as something developed and deployed around the same time as the Mk6 armor. some of the last armors to be introduced before or during the heresy. so unless GW is changing things (always possible), Saturnine armor wouldn't have appeared in an early crusade force. it would probably be rare even in a heresy era force.

No matter what happens...I think I might end up getting the Legion Praetor with the bloody big axe, as a painting project. Somehow he wouldn't look out of place in a Doom game...

Ideal outcome for today is the Saturnine box properly introduced and something AT related. If it is a new edition then core rules for small skirmish-to-patrol level games is what the Heresy is lacking.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
10 and a half hours to go.

I do hope we get more than just “here is box and stuff info about new toy rules”. Wouldn’t mind a preview of forthcoming kits.

Well...

We’ll be lifting the lid on some incredible upcoming releases and getting deep into the lore of the Age of Darkness.

Oh sweet!

That’ll learn me to read the primary literature 😂

The hearsay website honestly has been incredibly British sarcasm and fantastic to read for myself. Its humour over the usual crazy theories in a funny sarcastic way. It won't rub everyone the right way but also *you* are not being singularly targeted, rather the silly crack pot theories and dramatisim.

Im hyped for the new box and everything going forward, especially if they do add more models we have rules but no physical thing for, like Sisters of Silence bikers and 28mm Artalax.

The one downside to all this is that there's a 90% chance that all Legends are getting squatted wholesale, judging from general Legends policy lately (one edition in Legends and then gone).

Is there much in the way of Legends for Heresy?

Only thing that immediately jumps to mind, because I used to own one, is the Ordinatus Sagittar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there much in the way of Legends for Heresy?

Only thing that immediately jumps to mind, because I used to own one, is the Ordinatus Sagittar.

there's a legacy pdf that is quite large, mad doc.

I’ll go have a look.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there much in the way of Legends for Heresy?

A 100 page pdf with all the discontinued Forgeworld models, 40k vehicle patterns (Boxnaut, Whirlwind, Attack Bikes...), about 1-2 additional legion specific units and special characters per legion who had rules in the 1.0 HH red books but never got models.

Separate pdfs for another dozen Exemplary Battles custom units ported over from 1.0.

And then also the entire Militia and Ruinstorm lists of course.

I think I’m looking in the wrong place? All I can find is Heresy Era Units with 40K Legend rules?

Or is that what’s being referred to?

Guess I'm the only one who doesn't find this Hearsay clownmaxxing funny

Anyways, it will all be over soon enough..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I’m looking in the wrong place? All I can find is Heresy Era Units with 40K Legend rules?

Or is that what’s being referred to?

It's not the easiest to find

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

Everything under Legacies and Exemplary Battles, basically

Heck I even forgot the Auxilia and Mechanicum have their own Legacies pdf, so add that to the list

Ahhh, yeah. Fair enough.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhh, yeah. Fair enough.

You'll not find the Sagittar though (I have one as well).

It's funny when GW laughs at the idea of giving different marks of power armour different rules.

...Like they used to have with Void Hardened marks in the Badab War Imperial Armours...

Such a wacky idea! Do one about the preponderance of Primaris Luitenants next!

More nonsense



Breaking news! SINGLE piece plastic Space Marines are coming. What a time to be alive.

Though we don't think much of the detail.



WHAT’S HE SO MAD ABOUT?
Found this chap – we don’t recognise the helmet pattern. Can anyone identify it? Looks new…

One thing we are sure of is that he’s very, very cross.

It looks like that head does not have the "neck" connection of standard power armor (the new
MkVI and MkII models), so I'm guessing it's for the Saturnine Termies (possibly the Praetor)?

Imagine wearing the thickest armour in the galaxy but no helmet

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
It looks like that head does not have the "neck" connection of standard power armor (the new
MkVI and MkII models), so I'm guessing it's for the Saturnine Termies (possibly the Praetor)?

Is it not just a random 40k Chaos Space Marine bare head? (and they’ve just cut off the “neck” connection?)

Lanoc9 wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
It looks like that head does not have the "neck" connection of standard power armor (the new
MkVI and MkII models), so I'm guessing it's for the Saturnine Termies (possibly the Praetor)?

Is it not just a random 40k Chaos Space Marine bare head? (and they’ve just cut off the “neck” connection?)

Chaos Aggressors! (Thought it was an Aggressor head at first.

An Epic scale marine?

Outside chance we might get some Epic previewed this evening,

But pretty sure it’s just trolling.

Sod it, we have a few hours to burn...

Epic-scale Primarchs are coming!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

girlfriend and i are planning to use this as an excuse to start new armies. my plan is loyalist ksons, and i believe hers is night lords

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Breaking news! SINGLE piece plastic Space Marines are coming. What a time to be alive.

I would be 300% more likely to pick up a HH/40K army if that were truly the case.

Or they could bring back the multi part Epic marine!

I like that!

90 minutes!

The hour approaches. Loo break, raid the fridge for sodas'n'beers, crisps. Might as well watch the cool ass trailers from yesteryear while we wait...



That'll pass the minutes...

Stream link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrerDNdr_0

Are we ready?

I am. I’ve wandered down t’pub and have a nice pint of Harvey’s.

Harveys, eh?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I am. I’ve wandered down t’pub and have a nice pint of Harvey’s.

Is it worth it watching on your phone for that? Or did they put in on the big telly

That’s what an iPad is for!


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SamusDrake wrote:
Harveys, eh?

Nowt wrong with a nice pint of Harveys by the seaside!

Nice intro!

Indeed! Cheers!

AT...sigh. If only.

Lovely intro. Reminds me of Shooting Stars voiceover bloke though. Might’ve been him.

Loved that show! Vic's failed jokes...

Is the Aquila just the Dove from Above?

Fellblade confirmed in the trailer huh

The Beast from the East. The Vest from the West.

Sign language? Thats really cool.

Gorgeous animation!

And Fellblades? Plastic Fellblades!

I’m chaining my wallet and encasing it in ice right now, whilst it’s still possible.

I must say I'm more a fan now for having seen that trailer. Shame they can't do a whole show like that.

Disappointing that the armor on the legs isn't overlapping plates. I can understand maybe that molding would be more difficult, but still a shame. It's not as good a design as the layers.

MkII is gorgeous. Really nicely detailed without being all fiddly and that.


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Even if its rules suck? The turret from that defence platform is ideal for terrain.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So anyways, let’s see if we can all be buddies again.

For those buying the boxed set, what are your plans for the MkII?

Currently my army is all MkVI for the Power Armour. But I don’t have any Veteran or other unusual units.

Being an older Mk, I think it’ll suit Veterans quite nicely. I should also be able to kit bash myself some Interemptors. Not sure exactly how just yet, but I reckon Legion Icon shoulder pads, maybe the MkVI Dark Angel heads, and slightly tarted up Plasma Guns.

Would certainly beat arsing around with cursed resin.

girlfriend and i are planning to use this as an excuse to start new armies. my plan is loyalist ksons, and i believe hers is night lords

Uh... Aren't you supposed to painting up your kick-ass Custodes?

OK so the kustom force field bit IS on the back of Saturnine termies

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MkII is gorgeous. Really nicely detailed without being all fiddly and that.


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Even if its rules suck? The turret from that defence platform is ideal for terrain.

Maybe an Astartes version of the Firestorm Redoubt?

Just wondering if they'll have 30K packaged Custodes...

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MkII is gorgeous. Really nicely detailed without being all fiddly and that.


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Even if its rules suck? The turret from that defence platform is ideal for terrain.

Maybe an Astartes version of the Firestorm Redoubt?

More or less my thoughts, yes.

I think is just the box set and nothing else. They're dragging it out...

I'll drop out and come back when the summary is up.

SamusDrake wrote:
I think is just the box set and nothing else. They're dragging it out...

Nah, they can easily throw in something about that short story compilation that's due to be released, and maybe do some vague glimpsing™ at something for LI or whatever.

Oh no

It sounds like they mucked up the rules completely

Changed, mucked up remains of be seen.

The return of the mental stats of yesteryear!

Yeaaa, 4 mental stats that are all the same value... yay.

Sigh. Glad I kept it to just AT. I guess there is something to having an edition that lasted as far back as 2018...

8th edition level reboot nobody asked for

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeaaa, 4 mental stats that are all the same value... yay.

For base Astartes.

I like the concept. Execution, who knows.