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Certain In-The-Know posters over on warseer have been hinting at the contents of the new box set. Supposedly it is:

Marines: Captain with powerfist, tactical squad, a Terminator squad (possibly "just a couple" instead of a full squad)[EDIT: it will be a 5 man squad] and a Dreadnought (only 2 pieces!?!). Some or all of the models have been hinted at having Ultramarines iconography

Orks: Warboss, twenty Ork boyz (like the four man Ork boys set), twenty Grotz and three Deff Koptas.

The original thread is at http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126209 , but you have to route through a lot to get to the good stuff (look out for the posters Brimstone, Harry and Ulfhedrin, they all seem to know their stuff)

Seems rather strange but ok. I can live with the Marine force (except that I can#t imagine how little Terminators should be in there. Two maybe? But the Ork force just looks...stupid. But maybe with the second wave release it all comes together nicely (namely grotz and koptas).

NO FOUR MAN BOX SET STYLE MINIS IN THE BASIC SET!!!!

They piss more people off with them than luring kids into the hobby. Question is, do they even care if their model is five-part or two-part? I guess not.

Greets
Schepp himself

Edit: Nonono, it know! It will be ONE Terminator holding a big rock above his head, ready to smash it into the orks! Ohohoho and a chained up wyrdboy ! Oh yeah, let the keep the ideas coming schepp!

I think that these 2 piece marines and orks are good for the new/younger players. I'm not sure that GW saves any money this way. Most of us would just like them to throw the regular sprues and then they would not have to make new sculpts. At the end of the day, we get some new stuff and usually some cool little bits (like the towers and becons from the Macragge set), so I don't really complain.

Now: a 2-piece dread???? sounds way too simple.... sounds like it will become part of a piece of terrain for me.

the deffkoptas will be all over the place now. I guess the model should fit the options in the new rulebook now instead of having a pilot wielding a slugga.

Where are our plastic drop pods????? Perhaps those wait for the later Planetfall/strike release.

I would assume that there will still be the dice/templates/and mini rulebook :S

I'm with Yamato on the Dreadnought... I've already got plenty... sounds like a cheap way to make an awesome "hold at all costs" mission objective

Schepp himself wrote:They piss more people off with them than luring kids into the hobby.

Really?

Got any sort of figures to back that up? Because I've heard far more positive comments about the BfM and BfSP sets than negative.

Question is, do they even care if their model is five-part or two-part? I guess not.

Actually, yes, a lot of beginners do care how many pieces the minis are in.

What led to the BfM box contents in the first place was feedback from beginners complaining that the 3rd edition starter was too complicated. You bought the box and then spent a week assembling everything before you could actually start playing.

BfM, with its clip-together minis, allows you to start playing straight out of the box.


And speaking as a veteran with progressively less time to work on armies these days, simple models that look practically indistinguishable from the multiparts once assembled and painted are like mana from the heavens.

Totally off-topic, but how do the plastic Tyranids in the Battle for Macragge boxed set stand up to the multi-piece regular Tyranid plastics?

You really can't tell the difference once they're assembled.

The only real tell-tale is that their heads are all pointing forwards.

I'd prefer BFM Gaunts to regular ones any day of the week. I've assembled close to 200 of the damned normal Gaunts, and those two-piece heads begin to drive you nuts.

The BFM ones, of which I have 20, are great. Two pieces. Easy. The plastic Spore Mines are awesome too.

Monkeystealers still suck, but I have enough of the original Stealers anyway...

BYE

Point taken... It was a rather self-orientated statement there. But it still stands.

Greets
Schepp himself

I love the clip together BFSP night goblins. Quick, easy and resilient.
I'd buy that boxed set in a heartbeat.

insaniak, H.B.M.C.: That's good to hear. Thanks! I bought a metric whack of them (Termagants and Spore Mines) off Neal recently and was having the usual mail-order jitters. I only wish the old-style Genestealers were still available...:(

My guess is that the new box set minis don't come with any options. That way there is still a market for the more detailed kits with more options.

Example: I expect the space marine dread to have an assault cannon and power claw, and no options. Leaving the regualr marine dread box for those who want other checst icons and different weapon configurations.

Nurglitch wrote:Totally off-topic, but how do the plastic Tyranids in the Battle for Macragge boxed set stand up to the multi-piece regular Tyranid plastics?

See if you can spot the BfM stealers:





I've personally used all the Tyranid BfM models and they are all great. They are much easier to put together and pretty much invisible when combined with the standard minis.

adamsouza wrote:Example: I expect the space marine dread to have an assault cannon and power claw, and no options.

Well, yeah, if it's a two-piece model, it's certainly not going to have extra weapons.

I'd be surprised if the Tactical Squad is anything other than a recut BfM sprue with Varras replaced with the Captain.

Yakface: I can't tell which is which. Which ones are which? Do you have any comparative pictures of the Spore Mines or the Termagants? Inquiring minds and all that.

Nurglitch wrote:Yakface: I can't tell which is which. Which ones are which? Do you have any comparative pictures of the Spore Mines or the Termagants? Inquiring minds and all that.

Heh. Actually I'd have to wait until I get home and look at the models just to be sure!


As for the spore mines, the details of the sculpt are great, its just the odd shape that really denotes which mines are plastic. They are always the "low" ones that have the tail along the base which then gently slopes up to the head of the mine (like a "J").





I don't have any fully painted termagaunts (or any pictures of them for that matter), but I've assembled them next to the mutli-part termagaunts and they fit right in.

Yakface: It's nice to have that reassurance. Thanks!

Sounds good to me. I play marines, and am just starting an Ork army, so this will be great. I'll hold off on making a deffcopter until the boxed set comes out.

2-piece dreads? Even the old Space Crusade ones were 7 pieces. I can see maybe 5 pieces (base includung feet, front and back torso, two arms) but 2 ???

There's no particular need for the arms to be seperate pieces.

I see no reason that a dread couldn't be cast as just a front and back, with the arms in place.

I doubt they're counting the base as a piece.

I think you'd want the arms as separate pieces because it'd be a royal pain to try an cast them in place.

Still just being able to reduce the Dread down to 2 pieces for the body and legs would be a major technical feat.

The plastic Space Marine Dreadnought seems like a pretty simple plastic model to me. It's no Land Speeder. Considering its size and all just sticking the sprues in the box would be a good hook for kids.

I'm dissapointed to see marines in there. Orks is good getting back to the old days but I was hoping they would stick guard in there instead as the 'weaker' side. I know marines are seen as the 'beginners' army by many but they're meant to be the elite force for mankind and far too many people play them. If 5th ed is indeed going to focus on troops then that's just another reason why they should stick guard in there instead. Easy 2 part snap models, option of elites with stormtroopers, could have heavy weapons, command squad and amazing terrain options. They could even go the full hog and have battle for amageddon! starter set. It may just be me having a moan and yes I have been a marine player for years but have got into the novel etc. and have now moved away form marines to more 'standard strength' imperial type armies. Guard are meant to be uncountable while there are only a few hundred thousand marines yet physical models are nowehere near this (i know that would be impossible but the balance is even futher off than it should be). When I first started marines and guard players were rougly even in my town at least. NOwadays It's rare NOT to see a marine player in a store and yet hardly ever any guard. Even the treadheads seem to be dissapearing....

I actually like the basic box marines. They have decent detail and are easy to put together. You can put them in as ordinary tacs and they are generally indistinguishable. I don’t know enough about orks to know if that’s a good list or not.

Any report as to whether the rule book will be similar in size to the current glorious “short form” box rule book? (I swear one of GW’s top 5 ideas since RT).

More importantly, how complete will the rulebook be? I wonder if it'll contain full scenario information.

The thing is, they want everybody to play marines. Marines have the most plastics and plastics are more profitable than metals. Also, having such a high percentage of marines means that they only really have to concentrate on a single model line and still satisfy the majority of players - just imagine the headache they'd have had if the 0.0001% of people screaming about having to wait 50 years for the ork codex to be redone had instead been 25%. Marines also allow them to skimp on development costs since they basically get to just sell the same tactical squad sqrue over and over and over again to 5+ "different" armies. If they could get away with only supporting marines they would. The only problem is that some people don't like marines just to be contrary (go play with your space marines along with all the other Britney-Justin wannabes, you conformist!) and marines like to have something squishy to beat on so that they can feel L337.

That said, I'd love to see a IG vs CSM Battle for Cadia starter set.

Cool. Orks in the starter set will be awesome.

Capt K

I wonder if the Terminators will all consist of Storm Bolter/Powerfist combos for those poor gits that have 2 Assault Cannons in their armies.

doesn't sound too bad- I'll be happy to see it if thats the case- skull pass gets you tons of stuff- hopefully the new 40k set will follow that similar theme

Three-man Terminator squads will be C:SM legal, as per other recent codices. Therefore, three in the box.