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Do you play with downloaded and printed Codexes? Does your friend do it? Do you allow it or are you like no way? On the other hand, do you allow it if the person has a legal copy of it?
I sometimes piss of when my friend uses his printed version of Necron Codex and does not have all pages, like Warriors, which teleport rules would be handy to have in hand. And to make things better, now he has lost it and plays with point values and rules coming from his head!
General Discussion.

Sorry if a thread with this theam has been made, at least I didn't find anything very recent thread.

First up I'd ask what makes my opponent so special that they are exempt from paying for their hobby, then probably burn/shred their 'codex'

I don't allow printed Codexes.

If they have a legal copy, why not bring it?

I only allow pirate 'dexes if they're over Vassal.

I don't necessarily have a problem with it, but if someone is going to do it they better have the pages or there may be an issue. Though that is assuming it is a back up to an owned codex. If someone wants to keep their original codex in good shape I can appreciate that. Many gamers are dirty and nasty.

We've had a few people with balls big enough to come in to play in my shop with downloaded rulebooks. We politely and forcefully inform them to either hand it over so we can trash it, or play elsewhere. Besides the obvious problems that a store would have with pirate rulebooks, there's the additional aspect that it can hurt your reputation with GW by allowing them to be used.

I disapprove of people using pirate books or figures, software, etc.

If I am playing at home, I am entitled to refuse to allow it.

If I am at a club or other venue it is up to the organisers what they do. I would let them know I am uncomfortable with it.

I'll let you use ONE printed codex, the Blood Angels one they never printed.

Otherwise, stay away from my game and my FLGS.

This all seemed to assume pirated. I've seen people with printed ones to avoid damaging (a little over protective, I know) their books. If you knew the person owned the book but didn't want to break the spine, avoid spills, ect, whatever, would that still be a problem? Again, in the scenario you know they do own the book.

i use to use a back up copy of the IG codex (4th ed), as my origonal had been badly damaged by some dickwipe, and as the new codex was comeing out soon, i used a copy, as i couldnt see the point of spending money on it, when i planed to buy the new one as soon as it was released

I have a question for the group, I own all of my own codexs/army books for every army i have bought, but since coming to Scotland (for a semester studying abroad) i did not bring my HE one (i know i am an idiot but besides that), but i did bring my army, is it ok for me to use a printed army book, or do i need to go out and buy another one? Like i said i have it at home, but home is 3000 miles away. What would you say?

double post my bad

This is a fairly good topic, methinks. I for one will download all the Codex books purely to make an army list (fluff is on other websites and pictures I don't care about). Should I choose to play/collect said army, I will purchase the corresponding Codex. The reason I do this is because I can't afford to buy every single book that I will most likely end up not ever touching, nor do I want a pile of books collecting dust for no reason. So in the end, I do pay for what I'll actually use. I look at it like this: you go into your FLGS and ask to see the store copy of a codex and make an army list so you know what to buy... you're not paying to look at this Codex, you're simply using it. Should you decide to collect the army, you buy the Codex for it. Basically I'm just saving myself the trip/hassle of going through that step.

Whenever I want to look at potential army lists without buying the codex, I just copy-paste together lists over in the Army Lists section. GW themselves are really bad about living equipment costs on their army lists on their site.

I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

I play with some print out codexesisis, besides the BA one. Here's my story, DUHN- DUUUUUUUHN!!

I work abroad, travel a lot. I take scanned copies on my pc, and I am building abridged "Player's Edition" copies of my codexes with the fluff and the art removed. Print them out on some heavy stock paper, then spiral bind them at kinkos.

avantgarde you know that the BA codex is printed off right? Its an online official codex until they make a new one. Also when you are complaining about a lack of respect you probably should show some first, cheating is hardly an appropriate response.

I'd allow it, as it is I already needed to get 2 eldar codices, so printing off the reference sheet and some other pages from a pdf of the codex makes sense to me. Simply put I cqannot stand books getting wrecked. I loaned my original necromunda books to a friend who had a game shop, I was in and some "perswon" was wrecking it, pressing hard on the spine to keep it open breaking the binding in the process. I flipped.

And I didn't learn my lesson until I loaned the Stirling my necromunda scenery as they didnt have any of it, it got totally wrecked and again, they needed to replace it. Took them almost am month to with me badgering them pointedly.

Ive dowloaded the new SW codex off the interweb, memorised most of it and use the "store copy" for minor rule questions.

Not having a offical dex shows lack of respect for GW, not you, your club or your FLGS.

Avantgarde@ You sound like you were being a total dick.

1) The printed dex is the only type of BA dex.
2) So what if he had a printed dex, does it change your gaming exprience in anyway, No it doesnt.
3) You dont change the rules cause you of a printed dex, thats silly and childish.

avantgarde wrote:I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

Nice - so through your ignorance of how the BA dex works (it's an online download) and outright cheating, you drove a player away from playing at a store?

Bravo.

tiekwando wrote:avantgarde you know that the BA codex is printed off right? Its an online official codex until they make a new one. Also when you are complaining about a lack of respect you probably should show some first, cheating is hardly an appropriate response.

Slinky wrote:

avantgarde wrote:I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

Nice - so through your ignorance of how the BA dex works (it's an online download) and outright cheating, you drove a player away from playing at a store?

Bravo.

Slinky wrote:

avantgarde wrote:I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

Nice - so through your ignorance of how the BA dex works (it's an online download) and outright cheating, you drove a player away from playing at a store?

Bravo.

As a BA player too all I can say is good job being ignorant, arrogant and a passive-aggressive douche. A fine job avantgarde, a fine job indeed.

lolz, you know he's just trolling you, right? He didn't chase off any BA player, he's just trying to see how many people respond with "OMG you're a dick!"

I wonder how many more people will tear him a new donkey-cave before realizing that?

I am ok with folks using printed dexes as long as they definantly have a copy of the real dex, I can appreciate the want to keep the book nice, i cannot appreciate someone trying to cheap out by using a copy as a substitute.

avantgarde wrote:I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

Wow. Everyone has their fail moments. Not everyone is enough of a fecal reactor to proclaim it proudly on the interdweebs.

As far as being a troll; mebbe, mebbe. I have so little faith in humanity any more, however, that it is worth the feed. Also, maybe someone who would have actually made that mistake honestly will come in, see the extent of avantegayrde's jackassery and be forwarned.

avantgarde wrote:I hate gamers with printed codexes, it gives off a lack of respect for your opponent. I remember playing a pick up game against a BA player a few months ago and he had a printed off dex. If someone is going to be a dick I'm going to be a dick right back so I started changing the rules on him like my Black Templars had 6++, Preferred Enemy and +1S all at the same time and I wouldn't let him look at my codex to confirm. He got the message and never came back to the store.

Erm .. yeah ... might be worth pointing out as others have that the BA codex is a printable download. And no matter what, you can't justify cheating, makes the victory hollow.

Sidstyler wrote:I wonder how many more people will tear him a new donkey-cave before realizing that?

He's the troll that Dakka deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him...because he can take it...because he's not our troll.

nyyman wrote:Do you play with downloaded and printed Codexes? Does your friend do it? Do you allow it or are you like no way? On the other hand, do you allow it if the person has a legal copy of it?
I sometimes piss of when my friend uses his printed version of Necron Codex and does not have all pages, like Warriors, which teleport rules would be handy to have in hand. And to make things better, now he has lost it and plays with point values and rules coming from his head!
General Discussion.

Sorry if a thread with this theam has been made, at least I didn't find anything very recent thread.

We bust people out for using "Copied" products. It's kinda like being a cheapskate. I mean, if we have a new guy come in, someone is bound to have a book for the cat to use. If someone wants to live on the cheap, then they arn't really "Playing" and are just being coat tail grabbers. Riding the FOTM is meh to me.

ON THE Otherhand....

I don't see why GW doesn't use the technology and drop a hardback book on the market for each army in the form of the old school Rogue Trader books, and then use the internet for addentums, additions, and extra material for each army. It would save them printing costs, save them from consistantly peeing on our shoes, and using the technology smart for a change.

Each time they play around in Internet land, they do themselves a disservice by doing the job half way. Examples include thier craptastic website, DOW/ WAR/ The interactive army builder/ The download area of thier website/ SPecialist games website/ The Forgeworld website/ etc, etc.etc. pretty much if they do things on the internet themselves, they crap on it.

I'd really like them to get thier head in the game and use the internet as other game systems do.
Put out rules, downloads, etc. for the army, ad a few figures, play the figures a bit, come up with new material and keep the army relevent.
The FOTM system that they currently use is garbage, and there are more then enough examples of how they gimp the game by halfstepping on development.

grizgrin wrote:...fecal reactor...

...bahahaha!

Wow. Everyone has their fail moments.

Yeah I know, I've been caught feeding the troll once or twice myself...

There is no "maybe", he's busting your balls and so many of you are falling for it, it's ridiculous. I'm not often the brightest tool in the orchard and I managed to spot that he was joking around early on, and your excuse is "Well I have no faith in humanity so I'm pretty sure he's being honest." Pfft...

I personally try and have the Codex's of the Armies I play. My only one I am waiting on is getting IA 3 because of the cost of it over the number of Figures that I have out of that book. Only thing I don't have rules for right now out of newer books is the Drone Turrets. Everything else I own has either been updated FAQ's IA 1 and 2 which they updated for free thank you FW or in one of the GW books. The only thing I have a problem with is BA players that DL the first copy of thier codex and never got the updated copy. I keep that one on my computer just in case I find the players that don't have it. I don't like pirated Codexs for play because people always seem to forget one part of thier rule book when they come and play. I also like it when someone that has the book brings with them thier FAQ also. That way some of the big questions can be answered.