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Warpshadow.com lists Horms as no longer beasts.....that can't be true can it?

Please tell me it's not true....I'll quit nids if it's true thats my most fav unit always has been......they can lose fleet because all beasts have fleet in the beast rules.....but not charging 12" WTF!

oh noes sky is falling

They're supposed to get an improved fleet to make up for it. Something along the lines of 3D6, pick the highest.

remember they also had their point cost reduced by Half, so there is that to keep in mind as well. plus if the rumored changes to toxin sacs are true they got better in close combat with the ability to re-roll 1's (scything talons) and poisoned weapons 4+ to wound the game, even if Toxin sacs are relatively exspensive they still give the unit more offensive punch.

plus we know hive tyrants are going to be able to hand out abilities like preferred Enemy, now you have the potential to have a lets say 8 or 9 point model, with Furious charge, preferred enemy, poisoned weapons and a decent number of attacks.

1/2 Cost w/poison is way better than beasts. You can enter buildings now!

Unit synergy is your friend. Hormagaunts+Venomthrope=scrubbing bubbles!!!

I too am annoyed at the loss of the 12" charge, however the points made are very important - can enter buildings, half the cost, poison, reroll 1's. Don't scrub your nids over the change in hormagaunts - wait for the codex and see how they fit within a Nid force and hopefully you will see (if the codex is good) that they are good or better choices now, even with the unfortunate loss of one of their best attributes.

6" move D6 fleet and 6" charge will not make up for 6" move and D6 fleet and 12" charge.

The old way you're looking an 19" minimum and 24" max and now the new way 13" minimum and 18" max.

At the worst it's old way is an inch better then the best roll you can make with the new way. give them worse stats or something, thats the flavor.....make Blood Angels the new shooing army, or Necron with a T3 and a 6+ Save.....

and yes the sky is falling....

Ah, but the new way means that you are now faster on turns you aren't assaulting.

I miss the terror of what are you doing? No they assault 12" and the OH SH!T look on faces.

Bring along a Venomthrope, then they will be saying OH SIHT, they have an invulnerable save, we'll never thin them out before they reach us!!!

I'm going to borrow a quote from your sig:

"Man up and stop sucking with your army, and you won't have a substandard army any longer." - Stelek

Hormagaunts are 100% useless right now. Any change at all has a 99% chance to be a step in the right direction.

8 point Gaunts that will actually chew through Space Marine squads or these 16 point ones that will flounder against... anything? Even Fire Warriors will beat Gaunts in combat right now. I don't know what the OP is talking about. I've never seen anyone afraid of the current Gaunts. You lose 6" off your charge range, but you can take double the Gaunts and are slightly faster outside of the charge, not to mention the aforementioned (I love that word) killing power.

Hey, if you'd prefer the 16 point ones, you can use them instead any time you face me! =)

I'm loving the sounds of the new Hormagaunts. I'm just wondering if I should leave the Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands on them all still.

Can someone just confirm or deny this for me:

Did Terma/Hormagaunts lose Fleet?

Nope, now they have Fleet on crack. 3D6 pick the highest. Yes, leave Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs on. You like Furious Charge and poisoned weapons to go with your re-rolling hits, don't you?

Who doesn't?! The question is it worth more to you than extra bodies?

Well, it looks like Tox is definately, Adrenals probably not.

I bet it'll make them 11 or 12 points a model. You'll probably end up picking between one or the other, you're probably best served with Toxin Sacs (weee Gaunts can down Wraithlords). However, with both of them you'll swing ahead of Marines, re-roll any 1's to-hit and re-roll all your to-wounds. Then after he loses 5 or so models he gets to retaliate. Its a nice thought, but it probably won't be viable.

Dug back thru the rumor thread,and it's 6 pts base, with Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands costing 2 pts each for a total of 10 pts fully decked out.

Oh yeah, that is going to be viable, especially with Venomthropes for mobile cover.

IDK just pissed changes....

Anarchyman99 wrote:IDK just pissed changes....

I feel your pain on that, however the new WD article gave me hope about the army, yes you have a slightly smaller charge range, however you now have roughly double the number of models on the table to get into that charge range.

They may have a smaller charge range but they do get a potentially faster run move as well as the ability to DS onto the table.

DarkHound wrote:Nope, now they have Fleet on crack. 3D6 pick the highest.

So they didn't lose Fleet, their Fleet got better and they dropped by 4 points from what I've heard.

I'm failing to see the problem here.

They are really good for what they can achieve.

Yeah, these new Gaunts will chew through pretty much anything without an AV or happens to have "Plague" in its name.

even plauge stuff is going to have an issue potentially, since currently they are going to be outnumbered something like 4 to one, and its not the little stuff that will kill em its the fact that the little stuff will stop them from shooting the things that giggle at their FNP