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Holy jeez. Today I was up against a simple 1000 point list with my CSM against this freaking annoying WH list. This was his, IIRC

Cannoness with an inferno pistol
14 sister, 2 storm bolters
14 sisters, 2 storm bolters
14 sisters, 2 storm bolters
Some sort of =][= slaves that get to move an extra d6 if they aren't in combat and they had eviserators
2 Exorcists

Some things I noticed:
11 POINT 3+ SAVES!!!!!!!!
Melta pistol!
D6 Melta shots and 13 front armour!
Chainfists!
Initiative 4!

For how much they cost, sisters are freaking broken as feth! If I could get a three up save for 11 points, I'd take them in a heart beat!

What are your thoughts on them?

My list was..

Kharne
Lightning Claws termies (only 200 points, I thought, what the heck.)
Dreadnought with plasma cannon(ended up trying to dodge exorcist missiles the entire game and only killed a couple sisters)
10 marines, 2 plasma, rhino
10 marines, 2 melta, rhino
5 raptors with 2 flamers

I thought it was an okay list. I tried out some things I don't usually do, like dreads and raptors, kharne and lightning terminators....Owait, that's my whole army!

What was your list?

We all know the Sisters are Flamer and Melta heavy.

My list was..

Kharne
Lightning Claws termies (only 200 points, I thought, what the heck.)
Dreadnought with plasma cannon(ended up trying to dodge exorcist missiles the entire game and only killed a couple sisters)
10 marines, 2 plasma, rhino
10 marines, 2 melta, rhino
5 raptors with 2 flamers

I thought it was an okay list. I tried out some things I don't usually do, like dreads and raptors, kharne and lightning terminators....Owait, that's my whole army!

Mainly what you did wrong, is that you put, basically, half your army into your HQ, Termies, and a single Dreadnought, which has a chance of shooting at your own units, if I remember correctly.

13 Front Armor isn't that bad, but hoping that your melta guns would make it to the Exorcists is the worst thing you could have done. Instead of the termies, or dreadnought, you should have invested in some Devastators, or Obliterates, with Las cannons and have them focus down the Exorcists one at a time, because that's their only real anti-tank aside from their meltas.

The Inferno pistol isn't even that good because, really, it's a half assed pistol and not all that good, from what I've seen.

The sisters didn't even take melta's, which is worry some in it's own way, and instead took storm bolters, when their just bolters that can shoot 2 shots at full 24 inches, and can't even touch the Rino's 12 front armor.

The Dreadnought would have been better off with the assault (or auto) cannon because Plasma cannons can scatter like hell. Sure they'll get armor saves, but it's better hititng them most of the time instead of some of the time.

Raptors? I've heard a lot of bad things about them, so I hardly know what to say about them, as a guard player, I just give the FRFSRF! Order and don't worry about them all that much.

:shrug:

Yeah, I had no idea what to expect. Witch hunters can go all kinds of ways, and he just happened to decide on exorcists

The raptors were like a filler for 110 points I had left over, and I didn't really put too much in them for that reason.

He told me on the phone he was doing combat spam, so I prepared for a horde-y ish build. I'll try something like a land raider next time. It can't be pen'd and it can easily fell an exorcist.

The terminators were actually great fun. They scored 17 unsaved wounds in an assault with the help of kharne, which destroyed an entire unit of Sobs in a single turn. I really like them, and I plan on taking them again soon. The only thing I didn't like was their lack of shooting attack.

The rhino's were both out on turn 2 because of the second exorcist punching them with like 4 missiles each turn :(

Honestly, I could tell by turn two that I lost.

Samus_aran115 wrote:For how much they cost, sisters are freaking broken as feth! If I could get a three up save for 11 points, I'd take them in a heart beat!

They're also WS, S and I 3, and T 3. For that, they're only four points cheaper than a Space Marine was at the time. They also don't get to take any heavy weapon with a range longer than a flamer template, and have a minimum squad size of 10, meaning they can't get anything comparable to the Space Marine las/plas squad in a Razorback without burning Elites slots.

wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Always ask to see their list, and ask to see their codex, and if they refuse, ask the store owner to borrow a copy to check on something.

Cambak wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Always ask to see their list, and ask to see their codex, and if they refuse, ask the store owner to borrow a copy to check on something.

I'll call him out on it tommorow. Jerk. I was resolving combat with him at the same time for no freaking reason then. That dead terminator should have never happened, nor should have a couple other things...Also, only repentia can take Eviserators, iirc. Not to mention I should have been resolving all combats with a 3+ to hit!

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Ask him for the codex/army list, as has been said above, and if you think he's lying, and he refuses to show you the list/codex, remember what Kharn does best - Beats the feth outta people. Use his strength while yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and put an end to their snide ideals.

JSK-Fox wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Ask him for the codex/army list, as has been said above, and if you think he's lying, and he refuses to show you the list/codex, remember what Kharn does best - Beats the feth outta people. Use his strength while yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and put an end to their snide ideals.

Kharn was amazing. Seriously. I'm never taking anything else. I got 15 hits with him. I think I got about 12 wounds also (2+). If he had 5 toughness, I'd love him more though.

Also, he had a 2+ save in 3rd edition, which I'd gladly take :3

If they don't show you the codex, just remember, the Blood God loves you, so Kharn is invincible with 100 attacks and strength D, with AP -1. Oh, and he moves 200 inches and is fearless.

Plus he can fly

I think I'll play another game with him. Using Imperial guard and Plasma Pcs's. As much as I love kharne, IG seems like it could handle WH better. I felt severely out-modeled. He had at least three times as many models as me

Samus_aran115 wrote:Plus he can fly

I think I'll play another game with him. Using Imperial guard and Plasma Pcs's. As much as I love kharne, IG seems like it could handle WH better. I felt severely out-modeled. He had at least three times as many models as me

If he pulls the stunt again, say you have creed and Outflank a Squadron of 3 Leman Russ Demolishers with Plasma sponson, Dozerblades, Extra armor, hull mounted las cannon and Pintle mounted Stormbolter.

Because it's entirely legal.

If you're ever, EVER unsure of something outside of a tournament, check the rules. Plenty of people will try to cheat if they know you're unfamiliar with their army.

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Are you sure you're not getting things mixed up? The Repentia (the women with chainsaws) have a different stat-line to the rank and file Sisters.

This is actually kind of funny too. I played a doubles with him as my partner and both of our opponents fell for his lies So did I, I guess.

Everytime I play IG, I get this "powerful" feeling in my chest and I feel the insane urge to blow up things with battlecannons and to rip apart things with my Lascannon HWTs....Not to mention hundreds of lasgun shots that can wound SobS on a 4+!


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AlexHolker wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:wtf? He was lying about a lot of things then. He said they were 4 4 3 3 1 3 1 9 3+....

Are you sure you're not getting things mixed up? The Repentia (the women with chainsaws) have a different stat-line to the rank and file Sisters.

I know they do, he wasn't using repentia

WH are a neat army, because your opponent doesn't always know what you are bringing. However, they do NOT have marine stats. BS 4, and a few higher WS and I on special units. Lots of models can have eviscerators, but they all cost 25 pts. Look at their wargear list. They pay much higher costs for toys than your army. The Canoness is only WS4, S3, T3. Not real impressive for a general. Their faith points can sometimes save them with special saves or attack buffs, but they are limited. Because they are an old codex, much of their units are overpriced. Rhinos. They have a couple of characters, one who is 205 that probably could lose to one of your aspiring champs. And in response to one post, I play boatloads of meltas. Most squads can have 2, some can have 4. You can roll a transport with twin MM carrying 4 meltas and a melta pistol. They can throw down serious AP1. But cheesy. That is not one I've previously heard. (Somewhere Melissa smiles...)

Sad part is, while the Meltas are nuts I persoanlly think you got away relatively easy since it seems he stayed away from the Flamer/Faith point spam. There is the one act of faith, whose name escapes me, but it essentially turns their weapons into rending weapons. 4 Flamers causeing mass hits on your units wipes them out really fast.

Cheese Elemental wrote:If you're ever, EVER unsure of something outside of a tournament, check the rules. Plenty of people will try to cheat if they know you're unfamiliar with their army.

Yep. Even GW employees you're playing in the store. But then after his O&G trashed me undead I blasted his cherished mentors away the following week with eldar Best I've had lately is an eldar player trying to get away with anything.... when I'm sitting playing eldar against him... hmm yeah. Other highlights not army related were him not mentioning the shuicannons on his vypers were actually brightlances and that all the terrain I had set my bikes up in was to be classed as difficult until I went to move them. Still the look on his face when his kitted out DA and rangers got nuked by 3 flame templates was priceless . Always remember, what goes around comes around

yes sisters are stupid good. thank god the figs are metal everyone would be playing them.

Generalstoner wrote:Sad part is, while the Meltas are nuts I persoanlly think you got away relatively easy since it seems he stayed away from the Flamer/Faith point spam. There is the one act of faith, whose name escapes me, but it essentially turns their weapons into rending weapons. 4 Flamers causeing mass hits on your units wipes them out really fast.

And don't forget, if you are willing to spend 25 points on a nearby character you can auto-cast that faithpoint, AND not lose it.

Does anyone else think Witch Hunters are broken?

Noone that actually tries to play the army by the rules does...

"Divine Guidance" makes the weapons AP1 or power weapons in close combat. Not rending. The difference is important when it comes to vehicles (rending is generally better, as rending bolters can actually penetrate light tanks, whereas AP1 bolters are all but useless against vehicles).

only book where you can get a 2++ on your general as often as you want...... or 3++ for an 11 point spud. god it's so annoying.

Melissia wrote:

Does anyone else think Witch Hunters are broken?

Noone that actually tries to play the army by the rules does...

"Divine Guidance" makes the weapons AP1 or power weapons in close combat. Not rending. The difference is important when it comes to vehicles (rending is generally better, as rending bolters can actually penetrate light tanks, whereas AP1 bolters are all but useless against vehicles).

Divine Guidance wrote:Roll equal to or under the current squad size (12 always fails). Use in either player's Assault phase/own Shooting phase, before rolling to wound. If used in the Shooting phase, any to wound rolls of 6 count as AP1. If used in the Assault phase, any to wound rolls of 6 count as being made by a power weapon.

Oh my, yes, I wish it made weapons Rending... As you'll never make a "to wound" roll against a vehicule you can't even abuse the AP1...


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Samus_aran115 wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:Are you sure you're not getting things mixed up? The Repentia (the women with chainsaws) have a different stat-line to the rank and file Sisters.

I know they do, he wasn't using repentia

You did mention =][= slaves with Eviscerators. They were either Repentia or priests...

Either tha or combat servitors, but those are very expensive (25 pts apiece) and require an Inquisitor o use anyway.

edit: Actually C:WH combat servitors don't get chainfists. So it had to have been Repentia or Priests...

Arco-Flagellants?

The Exorcist isn't melta. Its shots are just Ap1 krak missiles.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:only book where you can get a 2++ on your general as often as you want...... or 3++ for an 11 point spud. god it's so annoying.

Also not true.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Arco-Flagellants?

Power weapons.