Jes Goodwin on next years DE releases

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**Kroothawk**

StraightSilver over at Warseer managed to have a chat with Jes Goodwin during this weekend's DE launch. Jes revealed some exciting news about next year's DE releases:

Not sure if this is the best place to post but the Dark Eldar rumours thread was closed and this seemed the next best place.

I had a chance to have a chat with Jes Goodwin today and got some more info regarding DE release schedule.

He said that they will have 90% of the Dark Eldar models in the Codex released by June next year, so no more than 7 months.

Basically people have waited so long for this release and as it looks set to be so popular he wanted to get everything out quickly.

There are 4 new plastic kits coming next year, he wouldn't say exactly what they were but that the Venom is definitely coming soon and they have models for both flyers listed in the Dex on ready to go (but he wouldn't confirm if these were part of the 90%).

He said that the models which would take longer were the special characters, so these may form the missing 10% which means we have a lot of new models coming soon.

He is still working on a few bits, something he wants to do is have Haemonculi passengers/hangers on the Raider but isn't sure how best to do that.

The Wych passengers/hangers on for the Raider will be included in the plastic Venom kit, but there isn't another suitabe release to make up Haemonculi equivalents.

He also said that now that rapid prototyping and CAD technology has progressed the design team can use 2 ups instead of 3 ups which means that making larger apocolypse style kits (Stompa and Baneblade) in plastic is now more possible.

This means that they are currently working on one of these types of kits as the sales for the Stompa etc were very good, but wouldn't say whether they had decided on what this would be, although I got the impression he wanted it to be Eldar.

Talking of Eldar he said that producing the Dark Eldar had fired up his enthusiasm for a new Craftworld Eldar Codex and models, and he has lots of ideas for this. However this hasn't even started yet so a new Eldar Codex is a long way off.

He is still trying to work out how best to tackle plastic Sisters of Battle but they are still being problematic.

He also mentioned that he would love to produce an Ad Mech Codex but said it would be very unlikely for GW to produce it as there isn't room in the range for them at the moment. However he said it was possible that Forge World would do them at some point, and his take on the concept was "Vampire Counts in space". In other words Necromancers and zombies, which sounds cool.

Anyway, that's pretty much it, also wanted to say that Jes was a lovely guy, very approachable and it was nice to see how passionate he was about everything he does.

Summary:
- 90% of the Dark Eldar models in the Codex released by June next year
- 4 new plastic kits
- model for Venom soon incl. Wych passengers hanging on the sides (to be used for Raiders as well)
- both flyer models ready to go
- some missing special characters much later (the missing 10%)

Non-DE news:
- CW Eldar not yet started, but Jes full of ideas and enthusiasm
- Jes working on plastic Sororitas, still having problems to solve
- CAD technology advanced from 3ups to 2ups, making big Apocalypse kits easier to do.

**kenshin620**

Plastic SoBs better get the treatment they deserve! I hope they take their time. Vampires=Ad Mech? First I have ever heard of that connection (cough necrons cough) oh well if FW can make some lovely forge guard and other mechanical beasts. Pretty sweet that their going to make 90% of a codex seeing 40-50% dont have a model (really hoping for some wracks, warp beasts, and HQ court)

**Melissia**

I think he meant vampire counts as in how the army plays in WFB.

And neat, more evidence that Sisters are separate from GK, to prove those silly fools that keep shouting for a trainwreck combined Inquisition codex really don't know what they're talking about.

**kenshin620**

Hmmm true about the rules. Machines that are fearless but crumble without leaders. Cheap low stat servitors. A few dead hard units for body guards and maybe a mechanical node of sorts to buff or debuff. And obvious powers to rez perhaps

**Gamble**

Good times for DE players. How long has the venom been in the fluff? I can't wait to see what they make of it.

Can anyone explain the difference between 2up and 3up and how/ why CAD is easier with 2 ups?

**Gargskull**

Gamble wrote:Good times for DE players. How long has the venom been in the fluff? I can't wait to see what they make of it.

Can anyone explain the difference between 2up and 3up and how/ why CAD is easier with 2 ups?

2up is a model two times the size of the finished piece and a 3up is three times the size. 2up's will be just be easier to work with as they'll be smaller which when it's an apocalypse kit will be a substantial size difference.

**Kroothawk**

3up is a 3:1 scale prototype of the end product, 2up a 2:1 prototype. Smaller prototypes can be handled easier, esp. for bigger modells.

**Agamemnon2**

Hm, 4 new plastic kits. If we are to assume one is the Venom, where does that leave us? Wracks, Scourges, and maybe a 3-box of Grotesques?

**legoburner**

Thanks for posting this kroothawk, nice to hear some specifics!

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

This is more like it from GW
Good to see them being open about future releases.

Hope it will continue.

**Agamemnon2**

I suspect we'll be getting a Void Raven / Razorwing combo pack like we got with the Guard Manticore / Deathstrike.

**kenshin620**

Agamemnon2 wrote:Hm, 4 new plastic kits. If we are to assume one is the Venom, where does that leave us? Wracks, Scourges, and maybe a 3-box of Grotesques?

Do we have to include the 2 flyers also?

**Rymafyr**

Agamemnon2 wrote:Hm, 4 new plastic kits. If we are to assume one is the Venom, where does that leave us? Wracks, Scourges, and maybe a 3-box of Grotesques?

Definately the Venom and Wracks, after that I'd say Scourges and Beastmasters. Sadly I'm thinking a new Talos will still be metal.

**AesSedai**

Nice info, thanks.

I think the flyers are going to blow people's minds.

If they can pull of the evil-ravenman-avian scourge look with plastics that's gravy.

**Kroothawk**

My guess for plastics:
- Wracks
- Venom
- Talos / Cronos
- Razorwing / Voidraven

The other units are non-standards, so metal is possible. Beastmaster and Archon Retinue units are non-modular, so metal fits as well.

Vect miniature already confirmed to be for a much later release.

Problem to solve for Sororitas: Did Jes ever sculpt a female hip?

BTW, nice tidbit about the interview:

StraightSilver wrote:No worries, wasn't really an interview, more of a chat.

He was at Warhammer World today for the DE Codex release but it turned out him and myself were the only 2 smokers there!! (one of the advantages of my filthy habit! ).

This meant that every time I went for a cigarette he was also desperate for nicotine, so I got a chance to have a proper chat with him.

**Commander Cain**

All these new plastic sets are really making me consider getting some Dark Eldar. FW adeptus mechanicus? Don't get me started on how much I want them!

**OoieGoie**

As an Eldar person, the idea of more stuff sounds great. However Im happy for other armies to get their upgrades first. They need it. Sure wouldnt mind some new plastics or re-done characters though.

**lords2001**

You know, the dollars just sucked back into my wallet when I saw this announcement. I want to see what the new models look like before I set down a list and part with a large sum of cash. Probably good for my marriage though.

**Kroothawk**

Some nice speculation from Warseer:

MajorWesJanson wrote:As for Apoc Kits, My guess is Revenant then Thunderhawk.

With the Valkyrie and potential DE flier kit, they may as well just do a flier expansion then roll the rules into 40K 6th edition. Tau are likely to have the Barracuda in their dex. a flier expansion they could do alongside an Ork fighta/fightabomba, an eldar flier, Thunderbolt, and Nid flying creature/Harpy.

Neat wrote:After speaking to various people at GD and reading between the lines on some other bits and pieces that we're going to be looking at a 40k flier expansion next summer.

t-tauri wrote:As I understand it the problem with sisters has always been the "hang" or drape of the robes. That means that there are very few positions to put plastic arms on sisters where the drape looks natural and doesn't stick out at obviously odd angles.

If you look at marines the only cloth they have is capes or loin cloths where they always hang down. Dark Angels robes are sculpted to the legs and are sleeveless. Sisters arms with the half sleeve over the arm are difficult to get right in plastic.

**Mr Mystery**

Kroothawk wrote:My guess for plastics:
- Wracks
- Venom
- Talos / Cronos
- Razorwing / Voidraven

The other units are non-standards, so metal is possible. Beastmaster and Archon Retinue units are non-modular, so metal fits as well.

Vect miniature already confirmed to be for a much later release.

Problem to solve for Sororitas: Did Jes ever sculpt a female hip?

BTW, nice tidbit about the interview:

StraightSilver wrote:No worries, wasn't really an interview, more of a chat.

He was at Warhammer World today for the DE Codex release but it turned out him and myself were the only 2 smokers there!! (one of the advantages of my filthy habit! ).

This meant that every time I went for a cigarette he was also desperate for nicotine, so I got a chance to have a proper chat with him.

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but in this months White Dwarf, Jes mentions the next set of Dark Eldar releases will be Haemonculi type stuff, so you seem pretty spot on with the Wracks and Cronos/Talos. I reckon we'll also see Grotesques and Scourges.

**Holycrusader27**

I like the fact that GW is being a little more open about there release schedule and hope they continue with the practice. Good to hear that DE is getting the loving attention it deserves and doesn't have too wait to long for units without models like some armies (cough thunder wolves cough). I hope they do the same with GK/SoB and crons as well!

**Melissia**

Kroothawk wrote:
t-tauri wrote:As I understand it the problem with sisters has always been the "hang" or drape of the robes. That means that there are very few positions to put plastic arms on sisters where the drape looks natural and doesn't stick out at obviously odd angles.

If you look at marines the only cloth they have is capes or loin cloths where they always hang down. Dark Angels robes are sculpted to the legs and are sleeveless. Sisters arms with the half sleeve over the arm are difficult to get right in plastic.

I would think that's most assuredly not the only problem with Sisters

still, I can see why the sleeves might give them problems. Not like they've ever really modeled much like that.

**Rymafyr**

Melissia wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
t-tauri wrote:As I understand it the problem with sisters has always been the "hang" or drape of the robes. That means that there are very few positions to put plastic arms on sisters where the drape looks natural and doesn't stick out at obviously odd angles.

If you look at marines the only cloth they have is capes or loin cloths where they always hang down. Dark Angels robes are sculpted to the legs and are sleeveless. Sisters arms with the half sleeve over the arm are difficult to get right in plastic.
I would think that's most assuredly not the only problem with Sisters

still, I can see why the sleeves might give them problems. Not like they've ever really modeled much like that.

While the difficulty of SoB is obvious, especially if they are keeping their existing design, I'm way more confident on it being possible now that I have the new DE Warrior/Wyches. They are mind blowing. It may just boil down to having several more arm variations per model than just 1 set as to allow some variety. Then again, that's all guesswork on my part.

**Whatever1**

Kroothawk wrote:My guess for plastics:
- Wracks
- Venom
- Talos / Cronos
- Razorwing / Voidraven

The other units are non-standards, so metal is possible. Beastmaster and Archon Retinue units are non-modular, so metal fits as well.

Vect miniature already confirmed to be for a much later release.

Problem to solve for Sororitas: Did Jes ever sculpt a female hip?

BTW, nice tidbit about the interview:

StraightSilver wrote:No worries, wasn't really an interview, more of a chat.

He was at Warhammer World today for the DE Codex release but it turned out him and myself were the only 2 smokers there!! (one of the advantages of my filthy habit! ).

This meant that every time I went for a cigarette he was also desperate for nicotine, so I got a chance to have a proper chat with him.

I think we'll probably see plastic Scourges instead of Wracks. Metals with wings are a pain to keep together,hence why they went to plastic Gargoyles for 'nids. The other issue is that Scourges NEED a multi-part plastic kit,as they can have 4 different special weapons in a 10 man squad with 6 different weapon options. With Wracks,you just pump out a box of 5 metals with an Acothyst and a Liquifier.

**wuestenfux**

My guess for plastics:
- Wracks
- Venom
- Talos / Cronos
- Razorwing / Voidraven

This would absolutely be great.
Indeed, this would mean 6 new units with 4 kits.
Not unusual if one considers Fire Prism / Spinner.

**MajorTom11**

Man, I'm gonna have to finish up my Space Hulk/Hybrids project quick...The DE models are really appealing to me, and a release that complete is tough to resist!

**H.B.M.C.**

He also mentioned that he would love to produce an Ad Mech Codex ... his take on the concept was "Vampire Counts in space". In other words Necromancers and zombies...

Do not want!

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
He also mentioned that he would love to produce an Ad Mech Codex ... his take on the concept was "Vampire Counts in space". In other words Necromancers and zombies...

Do not want!

Yeah, I get the feeling "Necromancers and zombies" isn't the right way to describe it.

Think of it more like the Adeptus Mechanicus members would be able to buff up the servitors' abilities in combat, with the Skittari acting independently for the most part.

That makes alot more sense and "feels right".

**dienekes96**

Necrons would be more Tomb Kings. So VC for Ad Mech is not contradictory.

**asimo77**

It's a good thing by birthday is in June

The Ad-Mech thing is kinda weird, I love necrons and don't want their thunder stolen, but I also love Ad-Mech, and I'd explode out of excitement if they had a dex. Incidentally if I were to ever play fantasy I'd get either tomb kings or Counts (no I'm not a necrophilliac, I just really really like dead guys!)

Btw do we have any artwork at all of Venoms?