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I love chaos space marines dont get me wrong , but the other day i came across the death korps of kreig and thought wow , those look pretty damn epic . but i dont know if its worth spending the money on lets say 2 squads , a HQ maybe a command / HQ squad and a tank .

I would say only you can answer that question. Me personally, am only going to start a "second" army when GK's come out. I don't know if I can even call it a second army because I own SM.

The Death Korps are an epic army indeed but an expensive one. As someone who has been playing 40k since the rogue trader days, you absolutely want a 2nd army, even a third. Forst off it allows you to plays games to get friends interested in the hobby with you. Second off, at some point, you are going to grow tired of that chaos army and while it has many different forms, you are going to want something the polar opposite of it for a change.

Only you can decide if its worth it. I can say, that if you stay in the hobby long enough you will want more choice. I am currently about to start my 3rd army. I like being able to choose who I field and get some diversity in what and how I play the game. I still have my downright favorite to play (nids) but variety is nice, and I also enjoy the collecting and painting element.

Thanks Generalstoner , I was also thinking of getting some daemonhunters when then become plastic or just get a grey knight ,( if im right the termies ? ) squad

Almost everyone I know has more than one army. Believe me you will end up collecting more than one army but you have to decide when you want to get your second.

I am a seasoned chaos marine player and have found them to be incredibly versatile and hard play against, enjoyable to paint and great for conversions. I'm sure guard have their merits but haven't collected them and I do like to send a squad of 4++ marines at them! (for the tanks I mean).

In all honesty I would advise you to get a taste of historical wargaming before you buy a second GW army.

Not only will it open your eyes to a massive spread of possible games, it will also leave you with enough money to buy the second GW army.

Im not finished with this chaos army yet but its quite alittle boring , i need more units but i feel like im lacking something but i dont know what it is !

If you've got the scratch, then go for a Forgeworld army. Vanilla Guard are more affordable, but those two squads of Death Korps are going to come out to something akin to 120 points. Veterans will be different, but still it's a lot of money for not many points.

How big is your Chaos army? A second army is often a good idea, since it lets you see the game from another perspective and gives you new stuff to paint. However, if you've only got like 1000 points of Chaos then you might want to focus on them more for a bit.

I've got

2 Daemon princes
1 Raptor lord
1 Sorceror

15 Chaos space marines
5 Possessed marines
8 Beserkers
8 Noise marines
10 Bloodletters

5 Termies
1 Obilterator

1 Land raider
1 Rhino

i would advise going with an army that plays differently than your current one. you've got a mixed chaos force that's mainly footslogging so i'd go with a light-armored mobile force as your next one. perhaps air cav IG, speed freak orks, or mounted dark eldar.

I think you might want to expand it a bit more. If you think somethings missing search some articles about tactics and stuff like that I have to expand some of my other armies to and im doing the same

Im getting a defiller , kharn he betrayer and some more beserkers , but it feels theres a gap


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The Noise Marine wrote:Im getting a defiller , kharn he betrayer and some more beserkers , but it feels theres a gap

Kharn the* betrayer

You may want to get a squad to start with. Build them, paint them...and use them as summoned demons for now. Once you get that first squad done, if you want more, get more. Still use them as summoned demons. Then, go for the HQ squad. Now you have a small force you can play games with! If you keep building, you can even use both armies together in Apocalypse battles. Death Korps of Krieg definitely have a 'Good Guys Gone Bad' aesthetic to them.

My advice is to for it. Nothing breaks up the monotony of painting the same thing like a second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth army Of course, it makes it considerably more difficult to get things done and it's more expensive. That's why I advise you to do it in pieces, instead of getting a whole lot of stuff that will sit in the build/paint queue forever. I've gone way overboard myself: Orks (, FW Nurgle, DKoK, Undivided Chaos, Iron Hands, Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, and that's not counting the myriad of other fun ideas I've had.

Well, I won't be spending my cash on a 2nd GW army period. I want to go another game entirely. Maybe Warmachine just to keep things interesting. GW are just so slow in keeping the game up to date its just not worth it IMO.

Thought about WHFB but I dont like any of the mini's. Im so picky!

OoieGoie wrote:Well, I won't be spending my cash on a 2nd GW army period. I want to go another game entirely. Maybe Warmachine just to keep things interesting. GW are just so slow in keeping the game up to date its just not worth it IMO.

Thought about WHFB but I dont like any of the mini's. Im so picky!

Contrary to GW would have you believe there are many other 25/28mm game systems out there...many with creation rules. If you like a 40k (or WHFB) army but not the rules then switch it into a different system. Thats what Im doing. All my armies are being done for the Shock Force rule system. I cant stand the over saturation of special rules and exceptions to the special rules in 5th ed 40k. Shock Force is simpler, plays a good bit quicker. Allows you to either field much larger armies or have shorter games. Id say its possible to do two 1500 point games in the time it would take to do 1 with 40k. Also, you get do create/design your own stats for everything...troops, characters, weapons, vehicles, magic powers, etc. It allows you to make your army exactly what you want it to be, not what a codex or army book tells you it is.

No.

Do not start a second army.

That is the path of addiction and madness. Once you cross over you can never... go... back... .

Haha those are true words! I have those 40k armies, then there's Fantasy Warriors of Chaos, OnG and I keep finding Skaven at my house. Trollbloods for Hordes, and Bayou Gremlins for Malifaux, Germans for Flames of War...no wonder I can't keep everything straight. And then I have Mantic calling my debit cards name....

Yeah , there stats are pretty bad ... so i might just get some to paint

I played just Chaos Space Marines for 8 and a half years. In the last year and a half I planned to get a "little eldar army" that is now almost 3500 points. In a matter of months after that I started IG and have barely touched them. In the last 6 months I've started a 2000 point Khorne deamons army and a couple of weeks ago I started DE.

Once you branch out it can be hard to stop

I keep saying right that enough I don't want anymore, then i mess about on army builder or i look on ebay see a bargin,

Just bought half a Nid army yesterday... i guess it is an addiction. (not sure what i shall tell my girlfriend) ((it was a bargin though!))

In the last year I bought full Necron, Imperial Fist and alot of daemons. In addition I built up my Cryx army for warmachine and built a full Everblight army for Hordes


What I'm saying is careful it's a slippery slope

having the same army and painting practically the same thing over and over again does get boring i have 6 of the full army cases full of 6 different armies and i keep going back and adding more guys. but if you have any spare peices that can form atleast one guy do them first before you move one thry to "milk" (so to speak) as many guys out as you can. then when you can't get anymore try and find another army you've been doing an elitist army so find one with either super hevy armour so you don't need as many guys to do the same damage like tau or, find one that is a horde army nids are a good one.

I think the choice is yours. I love the hobby so much that I have 6 armies in mind (though ive only began collecting the second for now). I actually had many more than that, but had to refine my wants/needs a little more. I would say its just contingent on your satisfaction and enthusiasm of the game.

If you feel like swapping some CSM for orks, let me know

It's your call mate. Is it worth it to you?

I started collecting Chaos Daemons today... on something of a whim. My financial circumstances allowed it.

There are two reasons to have a 2nd army.

First of all, it's nice to have some variety. Just like I don't like to eat pizza five days in a row, sometimes it's nice to play something with a different play style. Thus, my main armies right now are Eldar and CSM.

Second, it helps get a friend into the game if you have two armies. Again, it helps if those armies are different play styles so that the potential new player can see a couple differnt things, rather than SM on SM goodness.

I would not start Death Korps as a second army unless you have a lot of spare cash and are an experienced modeler/painter.

1. Death Korps is IG, which means you're going to need, even with an elite mechanised force, 70+ guys, many of whom with special weapons. HUGE $$$ cost.

2. Death Krops models are awesome, and a pain in the ass to paint well. Resin is generally harder to deal with than plastic, and a lot of those finer details you have to be super duper duper careful with or they break off. Officer swagger sticks, trench coat belt buckles, even the muzzles of their lascarbines are easily broken and difficult to repair. DK models are generally finer in proportion than other 40k models, so getting them to a high tabletop standard, which is what you will ultimately want with such nice sculpts, is harder than usual.

3. You need to know exactly the list you're going to want to play before you buy, or else you won't have the army you want without even more HUGE $$$ cost shelled out. You're not going to have a bunch of extra DKK torsos and heads lying around that you can slap on Cadian heavy weapon teams sprues to change things up.

4. There are substitutes available. It won't look perfect, but you can goto Pig Iron Productions' website and get the gas mask and coal scuttle-style helmet heads on sprues. They're not as fine as the DKK sculpts, but it will give you a nice, distinctive look with the same trench commando feel. There is an officer head sprue as well.

Start a second army? Yes, if you can afford it and you want to stick with the 40k game system. Start a second DKK army? If you're a relatively novice gamer/modeler, I think you should wait on Death Korps specifically. Aside from the enormous cost, IG are a less forgiving army list and custom models leave you with very little opportunity to change your list once you've committed. A second army should be more open to experimentation.

no one can say what's best for you personally, but in my experience, having a second army gives me the opportunity to try something different, in modelling, painting, and playing/tactics. this can help prevent burnout, and add a nice change of pace. i just recently got a bunch of the new DE stuff, and it's a welcome change from my Nids.

just my 2 cents!

-C6

My second army will be Imperial Guard but....

Before I can do that I must satisfy myself on a few points

1) Can I field a varied enough force with my primary army to take on the range of possible opponents I might face

My current marine force is very infantry heavy and until I can put a few vehicles onto the field I'm not going to skimp on spending to improve that force just to pick up a new one.

2) Can I paint them to a standard I am happy with (something I plan to try post Christmas)

I'm not the worlds greatest painter. Faces are my bane and what stopped me collecting guard in the first place. I'm not better than I was 20 years back when I started collecting and will buy a Cadian troop box in a month or two to check paint schemes and my ability.

3) Can I afford to collect a large enough force early doors to make it worth having them.

Being semi-unemployed currently means finances are tight and when I start my guards I want enough cash to lay down for a good 1000-1500 point force within the first month or two. There's no point piecemealing a force and having it take me a year to get it table ready.

So, those are my things to satisfy before I start a new force. just for reference of course

For me owning more than one army is a necessity. I get too bored of playing the same thing over and over. I also need lots of points for each army I play. What it boils down to in the end though for me and I would guess everyone is simply: "Can I afford it?" If you can afford another army and are interested in and know you'll play it then go for it. If you can't afford it, won't use it, or are only mildly interested in it I would say it isn't worth starting a second, third, fourth army.