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I dont want to drag down the WYSIWYG thread be we seam to have reached a subject that many have opinions on and I want to know how the community feels. So sound off if ya gotta pair

P.S. this is not an attack on anyone so keep it civil please

Humanity has been drinking for thousands upon thousands of years, with the majority chuckling at the rare teetotaller.

Like with all things in life, it is only that small minority incapable of self-control and respect for others that actually drinks too much, or behaves inappropriately.

You'll often find the people who annoy you as drunken gamers annoyed you as sober gamers to begin with anyway.

MVBrandt wrote:You'll often find the people who annoy you as drunken gamers annoyed you as sober gamers to begin with anyway.

Truth!

I have no problem with someone drinking during a game. I do have a problem with someone being noticably drunk during a game. If it is enough for me to notice how intoxicated you are then you are evidencing some not-so-awesome behavior that I don't want to have to deal with.

Yes, not all people who drink are TFG and it is perfectly acceptable, but being drunk at a Warhams event can show a big lack of respect.

Drinking itself isn't bad, or rude.

Getting drunk is.

Personally, I don't drink, but I'd be fine with people drinking during the game, aslong as they don't start throwing up or something.

I don't drink but I don't mind if people have a couple of drinks over the course of the day. Don't particularly want to play someone who is slurring and can barely stand up though.

I'd be tempted to call a judge over if that were the case.

Even "drunk" is one of those terms that is bandied about too liberally. Some people have one drink and they're smashing models to the floor left and right; others have 10 and they laugh a little louder and not much else changes.

I think this is one of those subjects so very different from individual to individual that it would be better asked - should people do things that cause them to be massive douchecanoes in a tournament setting? The answer, like EVERYWHERE ELSE IN LIFE, is "no."

Some people can and do drink their butts off on occasion, and are perfectly incongruous or even nicer / comfier as a result of it. Some people have one drink and turn into raging angrypants psychobitches.

This thread has that possibility of going smack dab into angry opinionville, instead of the flat base acknowledgment that we ALL have a problem with "that guy" in life .... kinda whatever the reason.

I'm not a fan of people drinking during games, just like I wouldn't want someone smoking during a game. There's a time and place for everything and if someone 'needs' a drink, then go to a bar.

I'm going to say what I said in the other thread:

Having a few drinks is fine. Getting sloppy, slurring your speech and generally being trashed is not. As cute as one think that they might be when they're inebriated, I assure you that to most observers (unless you're Dudley Moore) are just going to think that you look like a complete fool.

Luckily, I've never really had this problem at a a tournament. I like to have a few during the day at an event and I don't mind when others do. Just keep your gak together.

i myself don't drink.

But at the same time, i do not mind at all if others do.

As long as they dont get drunk etc etc.

To me.. i drink pepsi/sprite is the same as somone having a couple of beers while they play.

Drinking water - good!
Drinking alcohol-if you are legal and not to drunkeness - ok
Drinking sterno - REQUIRED!

MVBrandt wrote: raging angrypants psychobitches.

Okay so I completely agree with MVBrandt - drinking isn't a problem unless the person doing it becomes a problem.

But that phrase is gold. I had a good chuckle at that one.

MVBrandt wrote:This thread has that possibility of going smack dab into angry opinionville, instead of the flat base acknowledgment that we ALL have a problem with "that guy" in life .... kinda whatever the reason.

I think it's been pretty reasonable so far.

Yeah, but dealing with "that guy" who is terrible when he's sober is likely much worse when he's drunk.

Monster Rain wrote:I'm going to say what I said in the other thread:

Having a few drinks is fine. Getting sloppy, slurring your speech and generally being trashed is not. As cute as one think that they might be when they're inebriated, I assure you that to most observers (unless you're Dudley Moore) are just going to think that you look like a complete fool.

Luckily, I've never really had this problem at a a tournament. I like to have a few during the day at an event and I don't mind when others do. Just keep your gak together.

Drinking in a tournament setting - whether it's a bottle of soda, a glass of water, or a fifth of scotch - is a bad idea because there's too much of a risk of spillage and potentially ruining a model or table.

Feel free to drink between games, on that I could care less.

Although if you expect to get drunk and drive home you can expect a call to the cops with your license number.

MVBrandt wrote:Even "drunk" is one of those terms that is bandied about too liberally. Some people have one drink and they're smashing models to the floor left and right; others have 10 and they laugh a little louder and not much else changes.

Lets define it then, shall we?

http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/alcohol/alcohol.html#

The guy who's laughing a little louder probably isn't who people are having a problem with.


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biccat wrote:Although if you expect to get drunk and drive home you can expect a call to the cops with your license number.

That's just being a good citizen.

It doesn't really matter whether an individual is sober, or a little less so. What matters is the social skills. Is the person behaving appropriately or not?

That F'n guy is that f'n guy... sober or not.

Drink. Don't drink. I don't care. Just don't be a d**.

Well, as of yet I haven't been to any tournaments, however I have been to more than my share of concerts and sporting events.... and you run into the same thing there.

Some people are really fine, fun and nice drunk people. Others, turn into total rage-aholics after a few drinks.

I have met and partied with all kinds of people from all walks of life thanks to five years in the army, and for the most part I've found that if you don't like someone when they're sober... you probably won't like them when they're drunk.

There are of course exceptions to this, some people I've known went from being TFG to some that was quite likeable after putting away three or four drinks. And sometimes, a few drinks can help you better cope with people like that.

Personally, I would have to say that drinking at a tournament would be fine, provided that there was moderation involved, and not a bunch of belligerent fools making a scene in front of any children who happen to be there.

Personally I rarely drink in the morning and little in the afternoon, unless it's a sunday afternoon or something.

That said people who drink to *excess* are never much fun if you want to do anything more than drink with them. Any sort of activity is likely to be spoiled.

Drinking at a tournament isn't substantially different from trying hard to win at a tournament, in that neither, alone, are a problem for most people.

Some people get a few drinks, mellow out, and are a ton of fun. Others have a problem.

I will say this: any negative behavior that's the result of drinking that wouldn't happen while sober, is in fact the fault of drinking, and thus the drinking is bad. If you know that you're a jerk when you drink, and you drink, you're being a jerk.

I got trashed last night while playing a game, and I was perfectly friendly and calm, even through a rules debate which I won. Not everyone turns into a prohibition era caricature when they're drunk. Personally, though I might be an alcoholic, I can't trust a man who doesn't drink.

Also, I'll leave this here:

What has been seen cannot be unseen!

Yeah, you don't wanna be THOSE guys.

Morning drinking is a little much.

My personal least favorite are people who drink the night before, or on Saturday night - such that they are hung over and in a bad mood Saturday or Sunday morning for gaming. People who are hung over are usually the least fun to play against.

I usually start drinking in the afternoon on Saturday, around game 3 after lunch (presuming there are two morning rounds). By the time the first day ends I've got a heady buzz going on, and I stop drinking, go to dinner, drink water, clear my head and am fresh for the next morning. Personally, I rarely drink on Sundays for two day events because of the travel time involved getting back home.

Some people have mentioned that drinking can make you friendlier. There's a lateral statement that holds true as well. Drinking can also raise your douche tolerance. I've seen some raging arguments at GTs. Shouting, yelling, TO interventions....I've never had to sit through any of that myself and am grateful. I *do* often have to put up with minor annoyances. People snatching up their hits instead of misses, measuring from the center or rear of their vehicles instead of the front, then not keeping consistency, eyeballing range, counting too many models under template weapons, claiming cover where none is available, denying cover when it is truly available, loose measurement, extra partial inches, accidentally bumping models into more favorable positions, doing the same to terrain, making up rules, forgetting their own rules, trying to shoot units more than once in a shooting phase....

Subjected to all this on a regular basis, I started calling minute things. Remember page numbers, quoting them, having to rules lawyer to keep people from cheating, even at the little things. These days, I realize that people who do that stuff generally don't have a bat's chance in hell of winning anyway, so I let them do it anyway unless it is egregious. Drinking raises my tolerance for having to deal with those people.

Situation: Opponent is trying to line up an assault against a unit of mine, and thinks he is about 13" away. During his movement, he does the "Measure 6", then remove the tape measure and put models roughly where the 6" mark was" trick to gain some extra distance.

Sober Dash: Dude, put your model back. That's a hell of a lot more than 6". Put your tape measure on the table, LEAVE IT THERE, and move the model up as far as you like, but not beyond the 6".
Drinking Dash: Phew! Those guys are really moving out EXTRA far this turn aren't they? I bet they smell my rum and are trying to poach it. STAY AWAY I SAY!

Situation: Opponent deep-strikes a drop pod with a dreadnought inside it next to a conga line of wyches and prepares to heavy flamer them. He places the template haphazardly, not at the flamer barrel, and doesn't hit as much of the squad as possible because he's trying to also peg their vehicle. He says, "Looks like I have 7 wyches and their raider."

Sober Dash: You mind if I double-check?
Drinking Dash: Coolio, I'll take your word for it.

Situation: Opponent is deep-striking a unit onto the table (or rolling a blast weapon, whatever), and they miss, and scatter 2d6. From eyeballing it and being pretty damned good with depth perception, I can see that the angle is going to scatter into a unit. When my opponent measures out the scatter over his unit, the direction of the tape measure is conveniently not identical to the scatter die, such that he scatters just to the side of the unit he would have mishapped on.

Sober Dash: Uh...that's not where they go. Here, let me help you. Extend your tape measure over the scatter die. Now I'm going to make my perpendicular to your own tape measure and cross your model. And finally, you take your tape measure and draw it perpendicular to mine over your model so that you are moving in the exact correct direction.
Drinking Dash: Phew, you got lucky that time. You know, it helps if you roll the scatter die by the unit - requires a lot less direction and measuring, and I'm all about easy!

I could go on and on. I've run into a *LOT* of this.

Drinking makes it easier for me to tolerate bullgak.

I think I can relate it to the simpsons. the episode Homer gets trashed at his own party and makes a complete jerk out of him self (looking down the revs wifes blouse) but the next day he remembers him self in a top hat drinking martinis being witty. ur perception of yourself drunk is not always other peoples perception of your self. It seams if you get trashed at a tourny you care about how your games go but have no consideration for how the other guys game goes.

Drinking at a tourny? Not a good idea. There may be kids there. Playing at home with adults...go crazy. I think anyone willing to play me and have fun and you like to drink beer while you play? I have no problem with that.

Dashofpepper wrote:Subjected to all this on a regular basis, I started calling minute things. Remember page numbers, quoting them, having to rules lawyer to keep people from cheating, even at the little things. These days, I realize that people who do that stuff generally don't have a bat's chance in hell of winning anyway, so I let them do it anyway unless it is egregious. Drinking raises my tolerance for having to deal with those people.
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Drinking makes it easier for me to tolerate bullgak.

Two things:
1) You might be in the wrong hobby if you need to get sauced to enjoy it or to ignore the bad parts.
2) You might have a drinking problem if you need to drink in order to make yourself more socially acceptable to other people.

If people are pulling gak, they should be reported to the TO and called out on it. Whether you drink or not, covering it up and moving on just subjects other players to the same behavior.

Grimgob wrote:I think I can relate it to the simpsons. the episode Homer gets trashed at his own party and makes a complete jerk out of him self (looking down the revs wifes blouse) but the next day he remembers him self in a top hat drinking martinis being witty. ur perception of yourself drunk is not always other peoples perception of your self. It seams if you get trashed at a tourny you care about how your games go but have no consideration for how the other guys game goes.

As stated above, this is not true for everyone. Getting so hammered you treat people rudely, or act like a tool, is just as bad as simply being rude or being a tool. In fact, I wonder if it's not worse to be a tool/rude WITHOUT any boozey influence.

Either way, hating on people for consuming a thousands-year-old beverage that is very cultural and social to a lot of people (and not rude, jerky, or with intent to get drunk in mind) is a little misplaced and silly. Hating on people for acting like tools is ... well, to be expected. Just hate on them for being tools, not ... being drunk; it's that they are acting like douchecanoes which is the problem, not why.

I don't mind drinking while playing; I'll often buy my opponent a beer (even when it's horribly overpriced hotel beer). It's not only social, it's also a good muscle relaxant (which is a good thing, after hours of standing hunched over a gaming table). Obvious drunks, though, annoy me.

MVBrandt wrote:Either way, hating on people for consuming a thousands-year-old beverage that is very cultural and social to a lot of people (and not rude, jerky, or with intent to get drunk in mind) is a little misplaced and silly. Hating on people for acting like tools is ... well, to be expected. Just hate on them for being tools, not ... being drunk; it's that they are acting like douchecanoes which is the problem, not why.

Again, there is a distinction to be made. Simply drinking responsibly isn't going to annoy most people, and I don't see many people in this thread (or the other) complaining about social drinking during gameplay (in an appropriate venue). Drinking until you're hammered will annoy more people.

(And let's not reach back into history for a justification; there are a lot of historically-supported practices that aren't appropriate in modern society, including the consumption of various things, personal hygiene, and public copulation.)

I think I'm with MVBrandt here, in that alcohol is humanity's oldest friend, and you don't abandon your friends.

That said, one or two beers to get a buzz on, is okay, in my opinion. Having a pitcher of Long Island next to you, and going until you swerve in place, will earn you displeasure. If you are going to drink and game, you need to make damn sure you are being an adult about it.

MVBrandt wrote:As stated above, this is not true for everyone. Getting so hammered you treat people rudely, or act like a tool, is just as bad as simply being rude or being a tool. In fact, I wonder if it's not worse to be a tool/rude WITHOUT any boozey influence.

Acting like a tool is beside the point. People don't want to be around someone who's trashed and sloppy.

That's what we're talking about. No one is saying alcohol should be outlawed at events. They're saying, as the very informal poll points out, that people should just keep themselves under control.

Grimgob wrote:I think I can relate it to the simpsons. the episode Homer gets trashed at his own party and makes a complete jerk out of him self (looking down the revs wifes blouse) but the next day he remembers him self in a top hat drinking martinis being witty.

That was a very funny episode.