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Dashofpepper wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Most tournaments are held in non-drinking venues. In such cases it is the TO's decision whether players are allowed to bring in their own booze.

Oh? What tournaments are those?

All the ones that aren't actually held in bars and pubs.

Drinking can be "attached" practically anywhere by opening a bar next door, for example, or holding the event in a hotel which also has a bar. It doesn't mean it is standard behaviour to drink over the game table all the time everywhere.

I like gaminking as much as the next guy. The default state is sober, though. I don't find it unacceptable for there to be non-drinking venues.

In an effort to promote drinking at tournaments, yesterday I went around and bought beer for a bunch of people who were drinking soda. After asking if I could buy them a beer of course. Only one person declined. And there's a 9 year old kid here stomping tail, and I didn't offer to him either.

I don't mind. If they're starting to get visibly drunk, maybe that's overstepping the line, but at tournaments, at least it's a tactical advantage

Dashofpepper wrote:In an effort to promote drinking at tournaments, yesterday I went around and bought beer for a bunch of people who were drinking soda. After asking if I could buy them a beer of course. Only one person declined. And there's a 9 year old kid here stomping tail, and I didn't offer to him either.

People choose Not to drink for varying reasons.. most, we would not be aware of without knowing them on a very personal basis. Health, alcholism, past history or the sitiation there in will determine a persons willingness to partake in activities such as Drinking.

Seeking out people at a social occasion such as a back yard BBQ, wedding or a Gaming tournament, ect. who are visably "not drinking" to offer them alchohol to promote your "right to drink" frankly is the act of an immature individual.

Its a shame those individuals werent offered the same respect that you expect from people who are intolerant of drinkers. Its a shame those kids and there parents at the venue werent given the same respect as well. Who knows ... some of those adults not drinking may have been doing so because kids were there.

The only problems are legal...

Having a bar, or source of drinks, means no minors. I know a lot of kids here like to play at tourneys, and that would mean wrist bands and a liquor license... It's a bit of a nightmare really... Underage kids will find someone to but for them, and then you have a plain old fiasco...

So in my opinion, as much as I do love me beer and spirits, drinking should not be allowed at tournaments. Just meet your mates at a watering hole afterwards to discuss the days triumphs and failures over a pint.

Much more grown up than walking around asking people if they want a beer...

Dashofpepper wrote: People across ALL walks of life who wish to enforce their personal beliefs on other people are dysfunctional. People who believe that gamers without fully painted armies aren't good enough to play against them are dysfunctional. People who believe that anyone who doesn't share their faith in a particular religion should die are dysfunctional. People who believe that gamers who are indulging in a drink should have the cops called on them, or that shouldn't be gaming....are dysfunctional.

I have a problem with ANYONE who wishes to FORCE someone else to conform to their own personal beliefs. Mind your own damned business, live and let live, and all that jazz.

Dashofpepper wrote:In an effort to promote drinking at tournaments, yesterday I went around and bought beer for a bunch of people who were drinking soda. After asking if I could buy them a beer of course. Only one person declined. And there's a 9 year old kid here stomping tail, and I didn't offer to him either.

Dont these two statements seam hypocritical All that jazz indeed but I think like the nation in general, I think most people want a moderate middle ground in which both their views can exist without angry bickering (hello modern news Im reffering to u)

Edited for my bad spelling

It just seems unnecessary when you consider that 77% of the responses in this poll have been pro-some-form-of-drinking at tournaments.

Hostility when confronted about drinking and making excuses to drink are generally a bad sign.


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Grimgob wrote:Dont these two statements seam hypocritacal

I won't say hypocritical, but I will say "contradictory."

It also is pretty telling that the posts became hostile after they started coming from an event he has admitted he is drinking at. I managed a bar for six years. More often then not the way people perceive themselves when drinking, and the way other people perceive them, are totally different. Hulksmash has already told you you where out of hand at an event. You might want to start asking other friends their honest opinion. I think there answers might surprise you.

The comparisons being made aren't ones I would associate with...clear thinking individuals.

"Ah...how'd your game go? Wanna beer?"
"Have you tried this Mississippi Mud stuff? Want to?"

There's nothing in there forcing anyone to drink. Grimgob, you're lurching at straws. I had three beers this weekend. Two yesterday and one today. In fact, my 5th round opponent was drunk, loud, and his drunken state made him just loud louder and more vigourously, not more ably. And have to pee often.

Slightly annoying? Maybe. But not justification for "Drinking shouldn't be allowed at tournaments."

And to the people (I'm on my phone still six hours from home) which think that "I offered to buy some people who weren't drinking a beer" and "I object to anyone forcing behavior on another person" are contradictory...you are off your rockers. Off the rocker and off the porch for the Guy who posted that offering g to buy someone a drink was disrespectful.

If I am happily enjoying my coke, what would make someone think that I would want a beer? If I wanted a beer I would be drinking one to begin with. Might just be me though. If you offered to buy me a round of what I was having, though, I would get your next round...

I think that drinking in moderation is fine... Getting tipsy... Not so much. Personally, if I am in a non-bar setting I allow a drink per hour. That way I can enjoy a drink if I wish without having to worry about getting too tipsy. YMMV

Gornall wrote:If I am happily enjoying my coke, what would make someone think that I would want a beer? If I wanted a beer I would be drinking one to begin with. Might just be me though. If you offered to buy me a round of what I was having, though, I would get your next round...

I think that drinking in moderation is fine... Getting tipsy... Not so much. Personally, if I am in a non-bar setting I allow a drink per hour. That way I can enjoy a drink if I wish without having to worry about getting too tipsy. YMMV

Or, how about a sample of what really happened.

I finish one of my games, and the player next to me has the most ridiculously beautifully converted and painted army. I've got pictures, they're being uploaded - but his army is literally a playable diorama of a Blood Angel vs. Tau fight. Farsight has his power sword carving into the Dreadnought's chest, plasma is spilling out...the conversion is his actual model for it...simply beyond words. He tells me how he did the plasma effects, and I ask him if I can buy him a beer for the privilege of having seen such a masterpiece.

The guy playing Necrons - I bought him a beer because he was brave enough to bring Necrons. An older guy in the corner hanging out by himself - I hadn't seen him socializing with anyone at the event, so I struck up a conversation with him and subsequently bought him a beer. The guy who won best painted....again, I have pictures. We talked for 10 minutes, he was walking me through his conversions and how he turned Grey Knights into Chaos Marines (he has a Dreadknight converted Soul Grinder that is absolutely beastly), and bought him a beer for taking the time to chat with me. I bought the TO a beer as a sign of appreciation for hosting the event.

Etc.

If someone offers you a beer, and you don't want one...all you have to say is, "Nah, I'm good but thanks!"

Some of the responses in here are pure bullgak. OMG DISRESPECTFUL! HOW DARE YOU! That attitude is ridiculous.

@Dash: Let me know next time you're down by Sarasota, if at all, so I can lose to you and you can buy me a drink.

More on topic, I've had drinks while playing with buddies, but not so much at the FLGS for a couple reasons:

1. I have to drive about 1/2 hour to get there and drive back so no drinking and driving for me! I suppose for a longer event/tourney I could because of how long I'd be there but that comes to issue number 2...

2. The owner of my FLGS likes to keep things kid friendly at least until 9PM, so drinking would be out then as well at least there.

Otherwise, if I didn't have to drive and such then I see no issue with drinking and generally socializing especially in a game like 40k as long as it isn't to the point of slow playing, distracting, and so on.

I prefer not to drink, and I don't like when people get drunk and play me, and act like total asshats, because I might be tempted to take my sock off, put my metal dreadnought in it, and deliver a beating

there was drinking at the Alamo GT , and I saw firsthand how alchohol made people loosen up and have alot more fun. I think being drunk would be a problem, but having a few beers is ok to me, especially after I saw the effects which had none that were negative.

PS: I havent had a sip of anything alchoholic in my entire life.

earth-star wrote:I prefer not to drink, and I don't like when people get drunk and play me, and act like total asshats, because I might be tempted to take my sock off, put my metal dreadnought in it, and deliver a beating

Hopefully this has been pointed out before in this thread, but if not here it is: there is a difference between having a drink or two and full out getting drunk. I don't think anyone here is advocating for anyone to drink to excess except maybe some followers of Slaanesh. Drinking while playing 40k != getting drunk while playing 40k.

Smitty0305 wrote:there was drinking at the Alamo GT , and I saw firsthand how alchohol made people loosen up and have alot more fun. I think being drunk would be a problem, but having a few beers is ok to me, especially after I saw the effects which had none that were negative.

PS: I havent had a sip of anything alchoholic in my entire life.

And this is a prime example of how this can be a good thing.

I think you should make a grog( Marine Corps thing, where you take hot sauce, booze, chocolate syrup, ketchup, mustard, pickles, milk, and sugar to make a drink to where you lose bets, ya gotta drink it up!) This should be a drink of choice for ork players! Squig juice!! I doubt they would get drunk, but more on the sick side haha.

I don't care what my opponent is doing, most interstate travellers are massively hung over and Alex Kin-Wilde, editor of Unseen Lerker Magazine once fell assleep for 20 minutes, behind his sunglasses before his opponent noticed (they were on the next table)

I have only ever drunk at 1 tourney, 2 beers at a small teams tourney.

I like to play at my best.

Dashofpepper wrote:The comparisons being made aren't ones I would associate with...clear thinking individuals.

"Ah...how'd your game go? Wanna beer?"
"Have you tried this Mississippi Mud stuff? Want to?"

There's nothing in there forcing anyone to drink. Grimgob, you're lurching at straws. I had three beers this weekend. Two yesterday and one today. In fact, my 5th round opponent was drunk, loud, and his drunken state made him just loud louder and more vigourously, not more ably. And have to pee often.

Slightly annoying? Maybe. But not justification for "Drinking shouldn't be allowed at tournaments."

And to the people (I'm on my phone still six hours from home) which think that "I offered to buy some people who weren't drinking a beer" and "I object to anyone forcing behavior on another person" are contradictory...you are off your rockers. Off the rocker and off the porch for the Guy who posted that offering g to buy someone a drink was disrespectful.

The majority of people here have stated time and again they don't have an issue with people drinking at tournaments, they just think it should be done in moderation. I don't think that's too much to ask. I love beer. Love love love it. And I'd love to have one while playing. But I'd still say we should all limit ourselves to 1-2 per hour so we don't get too saucy. I mean beyond getting drunk, you'd be off to the bathroom every five seconds if you had much more.

Your opponent wanting you to be moderately sober isn't asking much, he's asking for a compromise, not prohibition. You demanding that everyone accept your drinking and if they don't they're prudes/off their rockers/etc. doesn't help your case either. Not everyone has to enjoy drinking, but if they're willing to play with a guy drinking and only ask you keep it in moderation, you should probably take the olive branch and just drink in moderation.

I found the point someone made earlier of minors at events + drinking, and I think this is an interesting one. It could go one of two ways:

1) The parent shouldn't let their kid attend an event which advertises allowing alcohol/having an open bar
2) The TO shouldn't allow minors at an event he plans on having open drinking at the tables for

I love my beer, but I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable knocking it back while playing a minor I don't know. I think that social discomfort is my common sense telling me "this may not be an appropriate time to imbibe, wait until you're playing that lush Dash to catch back up".

I think it has already been mentioned, but some people have legitimate reasons to feel strongly about people drinking around them. Abusive parents/relationships, loved ones lost to DUI or Liver disease, and many others. However while I sympathize with them they should understand also that their issues are NOT my issues and we are in a social setting. If you feel that drinking in your presence is a problem then maybe YOU should do your best to avoid situations where drinking is allowed. Not expect people to abstain from something in a situation where it is allowed/encouraged simply because it makes you uncomfortable.

I intend to drink at Nova when it comes around in August, but just as others have stated I intend to keep it within reason. Someone going to far and being drunk/belligerent towards you, no matter the venue, is unacceptable. You should not be forced to have to deal with your opponent being that drunk, and should involve the TO in those cases. However being pissed the entire game because your opponent had the audacity to have a beer or two while playing you is just silly. If it is something you feel so strongly about, say something POLITELY to your opponent. Especially in the case of kids and setting examples for them. I would be more than happy to hold off during our game if you would rather me not in front of your child. Most people aside from the raging alchy would be fine with stopping over the course of your game given good reason. Just don't be surprised if they now have that same feeling of irritation towards you that you held for them if you simply think drinking is icky and ask them to stop for that reason alone.

Dashofpepper wrote:Some of the responses in here are pure bullgak.

Agreed. Don't forget immature.

To those of us who know how to maintain ourselves, someone defending drinking to excess at an event where it is inappropriate to do so looks just as ridiculous.

Again, 77% of people in this thread think that some sort of drinking should be allowed. Your getting so mad, and rude, with people who dare disagree with you isn't helping your case.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Gornall wrote:If I am happily enjoying my coke, what would make someone think that I would want a beer? If I wanted a beer I would be drinking one to begin with. Might just be me though. If you offered to buy me a round of what I was having, though, I would get your next round...

I think that drinking in moderation is fine... Getting tipsy... Not so much. Personally, if I am in a non-bar setting I allow a drink per hour. That way I can enjoy a drink if I wish without having to worry about getting too tipsy. YMMV

Or, how about a sample of what really happened.

I finish one of my games, and the player next to me has the most ridiculously beautifully converted and painted army. I've got pictures, they're being uploaded - but his army is literally a playable diorama of a Blood Angel vs. Tau fight. Farsight has his power sword carving into the Dreadnought's chest, plasma is spilling out...the conversion is his actual model for it...simply beyond words. He tells me how he did the plasma effects, and I ask him if I can buy him a beer for the privilege of having seen such a masterpiece.

The guy playing Necrons - I bought him a beer because he was brave enough to bring Necrons. An older guy in the corner hanging out by himself - I hadn't seen him socializing with anyone at the event, so I struck up a conversation with him and subsequently bought him a beer. The guy who won best painted....again, I have pictures. We talked for 10 minutes, he was walking me through his conversions and how he turned Grey Knights into Chaos Marines (he has a Dreadknight converted Soul Grinder that is absolutely beastly), and bought him a beer for taking the time to chat with me. I bought the TO a beer as a sign of appreciation for hosting the event.

Etc.

If someone offers you a beer, and you don't want one...all you have to say is, "Nah, I'm good but thanks!"

Some of the responses in here are pure bullgak. OMG DISRESPECTFUL! HOW DARE YOU! That attitude is ridiculous.

I havent seen any of the responses you are talking about. Most are saying it is fine in moderation and at appropriate venues. I was just making the point that if someone turns down your offer of a beer, that doesnt make them a prude. Like I said, I will even buy your next round (if you seem like you can handle it).

Mannahnin wrote:Dash, please stop trying to pick a fight. Everyone in this thread who disagrees with you has been civil about it.

The person in the other thread who talked about calling the cops was talking from a position of dealing with an unpleasant drunk, and he later modified his comments. When you keep attempting to paint people who have different preferences in this way, it doesn't make your own position look good.

Remember that in a tournament you have very limited options when it comes to your opponents. If I voluntarily put myself in a state of intoxication where some folks find me less enjoyable to interact with, that's as much on me as it is on them.

Ayah, as the one who said he'd call the cops I was referring to a drunk. or to get an advantage

But who are we kidding. We all know I'd call the cops just to get the look on DOP's face (and steal his rum, mostly to steal his rum).

Dashofpepper wrote:Some of the responses in here are pure bullgak. OMG DISRESPECTFUL! HOW DARE YOU! That attitude is ridiculous.

where are all of those responses? That aren't actually referring to being drunk?

for a guy that's trying not to pick a fight you seem to be consistently misportraying the opposition. Yes, a lot of people dislike drinking, for personal and moral reasons. It's an addictive drug that can (but doesn't always) hurt both the user and those around him. A lot of people think the benefits outweigh the costs (and I'm one of them), but it's a pretty reasonable attitude to simply not like drinking.

So yes, this means that some of the people you've played ahve mostly likely secretly not liked that you were drinking.

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Dash, please stop trying to pick a fight. Everyone in this thread who disagrees with you has been civil about it.

The person in the other thread who talked about calling the cops was talking from a position of dealing with an unpleasant drunk, and he later modified his comments. When you keep attempting to paint people who have different preferences in this way, it doesn't make your own position look good.

Remember that in a tournament you have very limited options when it comes to your opponents. If I voluntarily put myself in a state of intoxication where some folks find me less enjoyable to interact with, that's as much on me as it is on them.

Ayah, as the one who said he'd call the cops I was referring to a drunk. or to get an advantage

But who are we kidding. We all know I'd call the cops just to get the look on DOP's face (and steal his rum, mostly to steal his rum).

If of course this event did occur, you would be forced to do a photocollage of dash's reaction, and then make it your new avatar. As cool as weiner dogs are, I think this could take the cake.

woops double post

Frazzled wrote:
But who are we kidding. We all know I'd call the cops just to get the look on DOP's face (and steal his rum, mostly to steal his rum).

Quick, everyone do something naughty, Frazz is stuck in an infinite loop and is powerless!

targetawg wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Dash, please stop trying to pick a fight. Everyone in this thread who disagrees with you has been civil about it.

The person in the other thread who talked about calling the cops was talking from a position of dealing with an unpleasant drunk, and he later modified his comments. When you keep attempting to paint people who have different preferences in this way, it doesn't make your own position look good.

Remember that in a tournament you have very limited options when it comes to your opponents. If I voluntarily put myself in a state of intoxication where some folks find me less enjoyable to interact with, that's as much on me as it is on them.

Ayah, as the one who said he'd call the cops I was referring to a drunk. or to get an advantage

But who are we kidding. We all know I'd call the cops just to get the look on DOP's face (and steal his rum, mostly to steal his rum).

If of course this event did occur, you would be forced to do a photocollage of dash's reaction, and then make it your new avatar. As cool as weiner dogs are, I think this could take the cake.

I'd put it in my signature line.

zedsdead wrote:

People choose Not to drink for varying reasons.. most, we would not be aware of without knowing them on a very personal basis. Health, alcholism, past history or the sitiation there in will determine a persons willingness to partake in activities such as Drinking.

Seeking out people at a social occasion such as a back yard BBQ, wedding or a Gaming tournament, ect. who are visably "not drinking" to offer them alchohol to promote your "right to drink" frankly is the act of an immature individual.

Its a shame those individuals werent offered the same respect that you expect from people who are intolerant of drinkers. Its a shame those kids and there parents at the venue werent given the same respect as well. Who knows ... some of those adults not drinking may have been doing so because kids were there.

Gornall, here's one of the responses I'm talking about.

I'm not defending anyone's right to be drunk or obnoxious at a GT. Believing that requires some pretty selective reading skills of what I've written. I've been critically clear about that this entire thread. I *am* defending the right to consume libations at a GT, and standing counterpoint to the opinion that offering to buy someone a beer who isn't drinking one at a beer event is poor behavior....and shows a lack of respect.

Like I said - bullgak.

Dashofpepper wrote:I've been critically clear about that this entire thread. I *am* defending the right to consume libations at a GT, and standing counterpoint to the opinion that offering to buy someone a beer who isn't drinking one at a beer event is poor behavior....and shows a lack of respect.

Why do you care?

Your anger and inability to stand that someone might disagree with you is pretty uncomfortable to watch. Did you read Polonius' post? I'd like to see you answer his points instead of saying the same thing over and over.

Polonius wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Some of the responses in here are pure bullgak. OMG DISRESPECTFUL! HOW DARE YOU! That attitude is ridiculous.

where are all of those responses? That aren't actually referring to being drunk?

for a guy that's trying not to pick a fight you seem to be consistently misportraying the opposition. Yes, a lot of people dislike drinking, for personal and moral reasons. It's an addictive drug that can (but doesn't always) hurt both the user and those around him. A lot of people think the benefits outweigh the costs (and I'm one of them), but it's a pretty reasonable attitude to simply not like drinking.

So yes, this means that some of the people you've played ahve mostly likely secretly not liked that you were drinking.

There, in case you missed it.

If someone offered me a drink at a GT thinking i didnt have one i WOULD be pissed! i ALWAYS have a drink on me...always.