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The average height for Greeks was 5 ft. 6 in. 2000 years ago, and now the average height is 5 ft. 8 in., 2000 years later. By doing the math they should be about 8 ft. 10 in. Is this right?

Actually, according to my reading they might be taller. I've heard of them being up to 3 meters.

Monster Rain wrote:Actually, according to my reading they might be taller. I've heard of them being up to 3 meters.

Your reading isn't in anything official then.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:The average height for Greeks was 5 ft. 6 in. 2000 years ago, and now the average height is 5 ft. 8 in., 2000 years later. By doing the math they should be about 8 ft. 10 in. Is this right?

8-9 feet is supposed to be 'standard' for Astartes heights outside of their armor.

There's some who are likely pushing 10 feet.

Kanluwen wrote:
8-9 feet is supposed to be 'standard' for Astartes heights outside of their armor.

Find even one source that says that.

Uhh, by this logic it would be just a matter of time until men grow 1.000 meters high. I would think there's a certain limit, affected by both civilization standards as well as the environment (gravity, radiation, pollution, diet, etc).

And I'm pretty sure that the growth rate for said Greeks was not a steady line.

Funny fact: In the past 100 years, humans have grown much more than in past millennia.
http://www.immortalhumans.com/we-are-taller-than-our-ancestors-modern-man-has-grown-4-inches-in-100-years/

Given the conditions many humans in 40k live in, I would not be surprised at all to see such a development revert on many worlds in the setting. Actually, isn't this why Ratlings exist?

As for Space Marines, Jes Goodwin says they are on average 7 feet IN armour, and that's that.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
8-9 feet is supposed to be 'standard' for Astartes heights outside of their armor.

Find even one source that says that.

Lynata wrote:As for Space Marines, Jes Goodwin says they are on average 7 feet IN armour, and that's that.

And the truth shall set you free.

Please note that the scale begins at "1" and not "0", hence making the helmet of that Space Marine reach up to 7 feet.

Q.E.D.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
8-9 feet is supposed to be 'standard' for Astartes heights outside of their armor.

Find even one source that says that.

As Monster Rain pointed out, Jes Goodwin has a lifesize sketch he did early on. That's 8 feet tall, in armor that really doesn't add much to their height.

However, just for you, I dug out Imperial Armour Volume 2.

The size chart in the back puts a Marine at maybe 3/4s the size of a Dreadnought. A Dreadnought is going to be 3.7 meters tall, which is 12 feet and a lil' bit of change.
So we can guesstimate a Marine being 2.5 meters tall, which is 8.2 feet.

Idk, I heard that Goto said they were 7 feet... but who am I to say.

Alfndrate wrote:Idk, I heard that Goto said they were 7 feet... but who am I to say.

So clearly, they're 8 feet--because Goto can't ever be right.

Ever.

Kanluwen wrote:Jes Goodwin has a lifesize sketch he did early on. That's 8 feet tall, in armor that really doesn't add much to their height.

If he floats one feet above the ground, yes.

Kanluwen wrote:The size chart in the back puts a Marine at maybe 3/4s the size of a Dreadnought. A Dreadnought is going to be 3.7 meters tall, which is 12 feet and a lil' bit of change.
So we can guesstimate a Marine being 2.5 meters tall, which is 8.2 feet.

That said, the Dreadnought next to him is - for some strange reason - smaller than the ones at the top of the very same page...

Alfndrate wrote:Idk, I heard that Goto said they were 7 feet... but who am I to say.

Well, that's one case where Goto clearly sticks to what GW said, then.

Yeah thats true. And also as time goes by we evolve even faster too.

To add to the evidence i would say that the life size marine modles at warhammer world are around 7'-7'6".

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/memories-of-bl-live-2011.html

Second pic down.

Lynata wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Jes Goodwin has a lifesize sketch he did early on. That's 8 feet tall, in armor that really doesn't add much to their height.

If he floats one feet above the ground, yes.

Or if you realize that the 'ground' is the point where you start measuring from, then yes.

Kanluwen wrote:The size chart in the back puts a Marine at maybe 3/4s the size of a Dreadnought. A Dreadnought is going to be 3.7 meters tall, which is 12 feet and a lil' bit of change.
So we can guesstimate a Marine being 2.5 meters tall, which is 8.2 feet.

That said, the Dreadnought next to him is - for some strange reason - smaller than the ones at the top of the very same page...

It's not. It's at a different angle.

Alfndrate wrote:Idk, I heard that Goto said they were 7 feet... but who am I to say.

Well, that's one case where Goto clearly sticks to what GW said, then.

Except they haven't said 7 feet. They've said 8-9 feet 'on average', with some examples being 9.5-10 feet out of armor.

There could have been a stunt of growth but I think I am just about right considering at my local battle bunker they have a life sized one which is about 9 feet tall.

Kanluwen wrote:Or if you realize that the 'ground' is the point where you start measuring from, then yes.

So you are basically implying that the Space Marine on the lifesize drawing has one feet of invisible high heels that Jes did not bother drawing because the paper ended there?

Rather than the somewhat more obvious explanation that the scale should have started at "0" and not at "1"...

Kanluwen wrote:It's not. It's at a different angle.

Because all Dreadnoughts look much smaller from the side than from the front.

Kanluwen wrote:Except they haven't said 7 feet. They've said 8-9 feet 'on average', with some examples being 9.5-10 feet out of armor.

Source? I call major shenanigans on that.

Lynata wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's not. It's at a different angle.

Because all Dreadnoughts look much smaller from the side than from the front.

No, it's because of the fact that the stacks look smaller when viewed in profile rather than headon.

Take a ruler and measure them. They're 4mm high.

I believe that Space Marines are 12 feet tall.

You can believe they are 12 feet tall but we are using proof and statistics.

Actually our side seems to be giving as much proof as the 8+ foot tall marines.

But 12 ft. is a bit too much...

Kanluwen wrote:No, it's because of the fact that the stacks look smaller when viewed in profile rather than headon.
Take a ruler and measure them. They're 4mm high.

I actually did take an ... uhh, "optical aid" to make sure my eyes did not deceive me. I compared the lowest point of each Dreadnought with the highest, and they didn't add up. It's not just a matter of stacks, it's just that there's a height where there is nothing on one Dreadnought where there is still something on the other.

I'll take a ruler and check again once I get home just to make sure, though.

Either way, I still take Jes's lifesize drawing as gospel. Also because to me Jes ranks a bit higher than the writers who sat on the Forgeworld book. And it doesn't make us "guesstimate" but provides an actual scale.

Jes did the size table for Forge World, so it's on him if it's wrong.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:But 12 ft. is a bit too much...

It just seems less believable thank the idea they're 7 feet.

I know Abnett refers to Space Marines as "Giants" in his books... 5-6 foot human... I would probably say 8 feet is on the lower end of giant sized, who knows man. I wait for proof from both sides.

I never said 7 ft. I said 8ft. 10

Marines with no armor = 7' +/-

Marines in armor = 8' +/-

Shazam!

Kanluwen wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Jes Goodwin has a lifesize sketch he did early on. That's 8 feet tall, in armor that really doesn't add much to their height.

If he floats one feet above the ground, yes.

Or if you realize that the 'ground' is the point where you start measuring from, then yes.

Look closely at the scale, count down from the 8. Note that the 'ground' level for the Marine is labelled 1'.

He does have his legs spread out, but that won't take a foot off his height.

So standing straight, he would be around 7'-7'6", which is what the studio said. If you listen to one of the podcasts Jes Goodwin and Jervis joke about the way BL authors keep exaggerating their height.

Alpharius wrote:Marines with no armor = 7' +/-

Marines in armor = 8' +/-

Shazam!

Your logic holds no sway in the warp sir!

So applying this into the game, the scouts should be shorter than the tacticals but they don't look like it.