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I don't get it.

coolyo294 wrote:I don't get it.

Were talking about plot inconsistencies.

Cheesecat wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:I don't get it.

Were talking about plot inconsistencies.

That's why Plotanium is made to. "Inconsistencies, fracutres? No more! Go buy Plotanium in your nearest store!"

Clearly 7 feet isn't tall enough to be gigantic?

I've actually just heard the Podcast that was mentioned earlier, it's still available on the GW website.

"I say seven to seven foot six, because actually, if you read the novels, they get progressively bigger every time they write a novel ... <chuckles>"

"So, yeah, but at seven ... seven, seven foot six ... if you see that drawing against the wall, they're absolutely massive! It's not the height. I mean, yeah, there are guys around that height, they play basketball and stuff, but actually if you see how broad it is ... and if you imagine it is like with a cartoon hole in the wall you get with Daffy Duck when he runs through something... It is just immense, it's scary! You don't need to be any bigger than that. You could probably get away with six foot six and still be intensively scary."

So yeah, so much from Jes Goodwin. He also points out he fethed up the numbers on the scale and only noticed a full year later, by the way, just in case there were still any doubts about that.

I can recommend the Podcast, Jes sounds like a fun guy and there's a lot of interesting design stuff in there!

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:The average height for Greeks was 5 ft. 6 in. 2000 years ago, and now the average height is 5 ft. 8 in., 2000 years later. By doing the math they should be about 8 ft. 10 in. Is this right?

Erm, the average height of humans ries and falls every few centuries. For example people in the middle ages used to be quite short, and middle-age heroes that were called "giants" are likely to have been shorter than 1.90m (whats that in feet? Maybe 6 foot 5"?), wheras today the taller people on this planet reach 2.20 or more (i think 7f 5")

Yeah, it isnt just a constantly rising number, that is ridiculous. We arent ever going to be 30 feet tall no matter how long you wait.

Not without some extremely radical changes to our environment, no.

Space Marines are 40,000 years into the future! They have got to be taller than Shaq!

I don't think you guys are taking gravity in effect. Obviously the original Space Marines were created at 8 feet but when you take in zero gravity that could easily make them 12 feet over several long campaigns in space.

I wouldn't say 12 feet.
9-10 is probably the upper average for most chapters.

While I think you could certainly grow a few inches in zero gravity, you wouldn't grow 4 feet, and you would also rapidly lose muscle and bone density...

Space Marines don't just chill out in zero gravity all day every day between battles. Their ships have artificial gravity, just like every other ship in the Imperium. While they certainly train in zero g, I'm sure they also train in high g environments too, and it's to their benefit to spend the majority of their time in 1g or more to keep themselves fit.


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9-10 is probably the upper average for most chapters.

And they fit through doors, use stairs, fight in human-sized ships and cities how...?

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

9-10 is probably the upper average for most chapters.

And they fit through doors, use stairs, fight in human-sized ships and cities how...?

I think he was being sarcastic.

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:While I think you could certainly grow a few inches in zero gravity, you wouldn't grow 4 feet, and you would also rapidly lose muscle and bone density...

Space Marines don't just chill out in zero gravity all day every day between battles. Their ships have artificial gravity, just like every other ship in the Imperium. While they certainly train in zero g, I'm sure they also train in high g environments too, and it's to their benefit to spend the majority of their time in 1g or more to keep themselves fit.


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9-10 is probably the upper average for most chapters.

And they fit through doors, use stairs, fight in human-sized ships and cities how...?

As heroes of the Imperium, you're assuming buildings are made for the humans?! thats laughable... Most doors now are 7-8 ft. High, its not hard to believe that any door built 40k years into the future will be built for your average human, when the man running the show had his 10 foot super soldiers running through everything...

I was, SM are 7 feet tall.

Purplefood, take your sarcasm elsewhere... This is for serious discussion of the height of the saviors of the Imperium...

Alfndrate wrote:Purplefood, take your sarcasm elsewhere... This is for serious discussion of the height of the saviors of the Imperium...

Take your shenanigans back to the clubhouse, Alfy.

Alfndrate wrote:Purplefood, take your sarcasm elsewhere... This is for serious discussion of the height of the saviors of the Imperium...

Be serious Alf, SM can't be more than 8 feet with most being about 6.5 IMO...

Are you serious? 8 feet? even a guy in this thread said they'd be at least 8 foot 10 by the 41st millenium.

And Kan, again give some serious input, or is your fluff knowledge all for naught?

Oh no, my fluff knowledge is quite often put to use.

However I won't waste it in shenanigans.

I'm deadly serious Alf, 6.5 is probably the standard when you consider so many come from primitive backgrounds or higher grav worlds.
Think about it. In a more primitive society they would likely not get as much food as they need to grow as much as possible, this is probably because of all the nasty beasties trying to eat them.
Higher grav worlds pretty much explain themselves. They would be broader and really muscley but not very tall...

purplefood wrote:I'm deadly serious Alf, 6.5 is probably the standard when you consider so many come from primitive backgrounds or higher grav worlds.
Think about it. In a more primitive society they would likely not get as much food as they need to grow as much as possible, this is probably because of all the nasty beasties trying to eat them.
Higher grav worlds pretty much explain themselves. They would be broader and really muscley but not very tall...

Yea, that's why the Grey Knights are actually on the smaller scale of the Marines, though they compensate by being broader. And full of plot armor.

purplefood wrote:I'm deadly serious Alf, 6.5 is probably the standard when you consider so many come from primitive backgrounds or higher grav worlds.
Think about it. In a more primitive society they would likely not get as much food as they need to grow as much as possible, this is probably because of all the nasty beasties trying to eat them.
Higher grav worlds pretty much explain themselves. They would be broader and really muscley but not very tall...

I would agree, until you realize that the process of creating a space marine physically undoes many of the issues you find in these primitive worlds. Just look at the Blood Angels Codex... the process of making them into blood angels takes them from being this ugly person and brings them out beautiful people... I don't remember what the exact wording is though...

Inconsistencies aside, how is it that the person instrumental in the creation of the Space Marines says that the marines are 7'-7'6" and is still ignored.

I'm 6'5 1/2" (that 1/2" is really important...) and the top of my head would just come up to Shaq's chin. Take Shaq, add another 2/3 body width, bulk him and 'buff' him out, put him in armor and you'd have a Marine... how is this not enough?

Alfndrate wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm deadly serious Alf, 6.5 is probably the standard when you consider so many come from primitive backgrounds or higher grav worlds.
Think about it. In a more primitive society they would likely not get as much food as they need to grow as much as possible, this is probably because of all the nasty beasties trying to eat them.
Higher grav worlds pretty much explain themselves. They would be broader and really muscley but not very tall...

I would agree, until you realize that the process of creating a space marine physically undoes many of the issues you find in these primitive worlds. Just look at the Blood Angels Codex... the process of making them into blood angels takes them from being this ugly person and brings them out beautiful people... I don't remember what the exact wording is though...

That's because it re-writes your DNA so you become a super human but it doesn't un-do environmental changes like muscle mass or height:width ratio. So if you're 4.5 feet when you get all Space Marine-d up then you'll only get to be about 6-7 feet when you're finished but it won't make you less broad or more broad unless something is wrong with the gene-seed (See: Haeger from the SW omnibus).

We all have a genetic pre-disposition to height and other factors, thus why Americans like myself are fat, the Brits have an innate ability to make others feel bad through a verbal tongue lashing, and a space marine was meant to be a massive super soldier. Too bad the organs you have implanted in you completely screw up all previous genetic and environmental issues...

Read any space marine novel... keep count on how many times they say they aren't human... of course they aren't human, they're genetically modified angels of death...


Edit: You can't use a corrupt gene-seed as an example, its a statistical outlier.

Uhlan wrote:Inconsistencies aside, how is it that the person instrumental in the creation of the Space Marines says that the marines are 7'-7'6" and is still ignored.

But that entire diagram is completely suspect at best. The scale isn't proper on it. It happens though, people rebel against bits and pieces of a universe that don't match the impressions they're initially given, especially when there's so much conflicting evidence.

Alfndrate wrote:We all have a genetic pre-disposition to height and other factors, thus why Americans like myself are fat, the Brits have an innate ability to make others feel bad through a verbal tongue lashing, and a space marine was meant to be a massive super soldier. Too bad the organs you have implanted in you completely screw up all previous genetic and environmental issues...

Read any space marine novel... keep count on how many times they say they aren't human... of course they aren't human, they're genetically modified angels of death...


Edit: You can't use a corrupt gene-seed as an example, its a statistical outlier.

If you had actually read what i posted you would see i was saying that a corrupt gene-seed can completly and utterly mess with genetic and environmental factors.
The organs implanted don't make an SM 3-4 feet taller, they will give him some growth but only to the extent of 2.5 feet, other than that there is little more growth unless they spend a lot of time in 0G.
Of course they aren't human, but they still have limits in how far they can grow and frankly 10 feet is way to far, 8 is pushing it and i think 6.5-7 is about right. Also in Brothers of the Snake the chapter master is described as being 3 metres tall and he 'towers' over other SM so i'd say that leaves most SM at 7 feet or less.

daedalus wrote:

Uhlan wrote:Inconsistencies aside, how is it that the person instrumental in the creation of the Space Marines says that the marines are 7'-7'6" and is still ignored.

But that entire diagram is completely suspect at best. The scale isn't proper on it. It happens though, people rebel against bits and pieces of a universe that don't match the impressions they're initially given, especially when there's so much conflicting evidence.

Well, he acknowledged the discrepancy in the artwork, but again says that the height is 7'-7'6".

I'd chalk up the differences to 'heroic exaggeration', 'rumor, inuendo, myth or outright lies'... like GW's take on all 40k fluff.

http://www.spacemarine.com/blog-post/warhammer-40000-space-marine-insider-series-defenders-humanity
I think this video will prove that SM are 7 feet tall and not that ridiculous 10-14 feet some people have been spreading.