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Lynata wrote:Astartes bolters have to do more damage just because they're bigger, never mind that the size difference is both overrated and has no effect on the caliber

Hello?bolters fire exploding rounds!roughly equivilent to AA12s firing AP high velocity 50cal grenades

Wasn't a thread EXACTLY like this posted like a week ago?

Lynata wrote:

Daba wrote:So standing straight, he would be around 7'-7'6", which is what the studio said. If you listen to one of the podcasts Jes Goodwin and Jervis joke about the way BL authors keep exaggerating their height.

Heh, good point about the legs apart / standing straight - this would actually explain where the 7'6" come from. I'll incorporate this into my perception.

Do you have a link to that podcast, perchance? Could be funny.

And didn't I make this exact same point, that his legs are apart, in said thread when you posted that picture?

What is this I don't even.

Yeah, not sure why people think that Marines are like 9+ feet tall, that is really pushing it, and it comes off as completely ridiculous IMO. Space Marines have interacted with normal humans, and even Primarchs, all being at the least a little taller than marines, have interacted with humans as well, at least in Black Library.

Seven feet is very tall by normal standards, not even counting their prodigious bulk.

Though it can vary. For instance, some Space Wolf character is described as massive even by Astartes standards.

DarknessEternal wrote:

cadbren wrote:Yes the scale on that lifesize marine is wrong.

Wow, that's just painfully ostrich-like.

I'm more inclined to believe Jes Goodwin on the subject as well.

IMO,space marne=8ft
space wolf=8.5/9
termies or primarch =10ft+
primarch termies are 12+!

Terminator armour on a Primarch seems redundant.

but who else would be wearing it straight off the press,considering marines need years of training.

besides,these are primarchs,they can wear donuts and get away with it!

Nah, I know Angron was tearing around in the Isstvaan system in TDA.

It takes a badass, and makes them (badass)(2).


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Deadshot wrote:but who else would be wearing it straight off the press,considering marines need years of training.

besides,these are primarchs,they can wear donuts and get away with it!

Well, Lysander fought his way off on an Iron Warriors fortress world in his underpants so I imagine a primarch would be even tougher!

Going back to some of the earlier posts i dont think evolution or gravity would have much to do with it.
Seeing as they are bio-engineered wouldnt they just be made as big and powerful as required.
Also as models they dont seem any bigger than orks, tau or eldar in height so are all these races 7,8 10foot or whatever we are saying they are

Monster Rain wrote:Nah, I know Angron was tearing around in the Isstvaan system in TDA.

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Deadshot wrote:but who else would be wearing it straight off the press,considering marines need years of training.

besides,these are primarchs,they can wear donuts and get away with it!

Well, Lysander fought his way off on an Iron Warriors fortress world in his underpants so I imagine a primarch would be even tougher!

Terminator is like paper compared to the skin of a Primarch though.

I guess I don't really see the benefit of making such immensely powerful and durable beings less maneuverable and agile.

Though I suppose it is possible that, with their incredible bawssness, they would not be hindered by it.

so primarchs can walk through a titans plasma reactor unscathed?this was the armour's original purpose,to allow mechanus to repare them.they reported the success and the emperor said that the best marines can wear it if trained.

Deadshot wrote:so primarchs can walk through a titans plasma reactor unscathed?this was the armour's original purpose,to allow mechanus to repare them.they reported the success and the emperor said that the best marines can wear it if trained.

They can take Lascannon shots to the chest and walk through it.

dont tell more of fulgrim.still reading it

Sorry, put in tags for anyone else who has not read Fulgrim.

Deadshot wrote:IMO,space marne=8ft
space wolf=8.5/9
termies or primarch =10ft+
primarch termies are 12+!

Why would Wolves be bigger

Because bigger=more badass apparently, and for some reason people like the Space Wolves.

someone posted that SW are bigger,so i stuck that in.have no opinion either way on SW=bigger.

There is one SW character whom is, as I said, large for an Astartes. But not all are that way.

don't kill the messanger.kill the poster

Can I not kill both?

if you can find me...

Deadshot wrote:someone posted that SW are bigger,so i stuck that in.have no opinion either way on SW=bigger.

Nobody has posted that "Space Wolves are bigger", at least nobody has seriously posted that.

Arjac Rockfist is reputed to be a giant amongst the Astartes. It makes the idea of size variation a very viable consideration.

Void__Dragon wrote:Though it can vary. For instance, some Space Wolf character is described as massive even by Astartes standards.

i am not familiar withSW so don't know thatype of fluff.i thught it maeant SW in general

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/386469.page

Lynata wrote:

cadbren wrote:Yes the scale on that lifesize marine is wrong. It should be evident though that the marine in armour is supposed to be 8' as the top of the head is purposefully placed at the 8' line. Minus the thickness of the armour and you get a marine that is about seven and a half to seven and three quarters feet high. This is your standard marine, some will be taller and some may even be shorter. That figure seems to be what the people who make the marines and write the codecis regard as the standard height.

Ah, it's not really evident, considering that it would have been easy for Jes to just draw an 8 feet Marine if he wanted to have one.

He probably thought he had.

If you agree the head was purposefully placed at the "8 feet line", this implies the scale has been there before the Marine,

No it doesn't, the grid lines could have been added later for effect. The y-axis is screwy because it starts at 1 when it should start at 0, a mistake that was either not noticed or considered too difficult to fix. The marine is meant to be 8' tall in armour or else the high mark wouldn't be 8.

If it's not supposed to be "to scale", there'd be no point in the entire "lifesize" drawing in the first place.

By scale I meant the numbers down the side. I have no idea if those foot markings are actual feet.
Are you suggesting that the drawing is the intended size of a marine and that because the numbers are wrong the marine is recorded as being a foot taller than he actually is? It would help to know the actual size of this picture.

And power armour really isn't that thick - I suppose the soles would add ~5-6 cm to an Astartes' size, but that's about it.

Arrr, what do you base that on? There's also the height of his helmet to take into consideration.

Except Jes himself said seven to seven and a half foot, who I believe was responsible for tha drawing.

Navigating the GW website is a pain though, which was where the podcast was (if it's still up).

Psienesis wrote:

It really wouldn't provide any combat benefit, and in fact would be a big negative for marines operating underground, in cities, in boarding actions, etc.

Except being damn frightening to a number of races, not just humans, and having the strength and mass to wield horrifically powerful weapons, of a kind not often seen without a 3-ton vehicle transporting it, as a frontline, infantry weapon.

Ability to wield heavy weapons has nothing to do with height and everything to do with bulk. Or are you suggesting real-life 8+ foot giants like Robert Wadlow would be better at wielding heavy bolters and lascannons than a 7' space marine would?

Something else that hasnt been brought up: a lot of talk has been made about the marine in Jes' drawing having that silly legs spread pose. Well, have you looked at a SM mini? Other than assault marines sometimes and the old metal GK ballerina Justicar, all marines are in a similar pose with legs spread. I think this also contributes to the whole truescale thing, as a marine standing upright would be taller, at least a head above a guardsman (talking about models here.)

Deadshot wrote:Hello?bolters fire exploding rounds!roughly equivilent to AA12s firing AP high velocity 50cal grenades

Yep! I just felt compelled to remind everyone that (at least as per Codex fluff) Astartes and non-Astartes bolters fire the same equivalent, as there are some fans who believe differently, and some licensed products such as the FFG RPG actually agree with this weird assessment.

I actually like the AA12 comparison myself. Just load it with Frag12 shells and you have explosive bolts. The only thing thing missing is the miniature rocket booster.

Void__Dragon wrote:And didn't I make this exact same point, that his legs are apart, in said thread when you posted that picture?

And I objected? Huh.
Sorry, I must have been in a different state of thought then, either derailed by other arguments in the thread or simply too tired to think straight. :/

cadbren wrote:No it doesn't, the grid lines could have been added later for effect.

Ah, but if they were added later then they could have clearly drawn 8 lines instead of 7. If they had wanted 8 feet.

cadbren wrote:Arrr, what do you base that on? There's also the height of his helmet to take into consideration.

Based solely on the picture, guesstimating the armoured sole in relation to the 1-inch-square next to him. As for the helmet, power armour really isn't that thick - look at the SoB whose suit confers the same protection but has a much smaller profile. It's a cm or so, but not in any way comparable to what you see on the shoulder pauldrons or the soles. You may also try to mentally fit a head inside, of course, like that Marine Anatomy image someone posted on the prior pages.

Kanluwen wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Jes Goodwin has a lifesize sketch he did early on. That's 8 feet tall, in armor that really doesn't add much to their height.

If he floats one feet above the ground, yes.

Or if you realize that the 'ground' is the point where you start measuring from, then yes.

Are you on crack? The scale starts at 1. The marine is 7ft in that picture.

There's always dispute on how tall Astartes are, but right now, look upward about 45 degrees and imagine looking into the face of one and that's about how large they are.