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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 00:59:07
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Okay, I found it out. Look at this and this. And, if you're too lazy to read, let me summarize; The Dark Angels are gay. That was supposed to be their big secret. Yeah. Of course, they changed this secret to that half of their Legion fell to Chaos, because people realized that this was a bad idea. 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.
So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:02:07
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Not so much of a revelation. Kind of already knew that. The first time someone talked about the poem, I looked it up and was like "Oh, he's gay. So, the Dark Angels are gay?"
If they are gay, oh well. No one in 40k has sex anyway, so sexual preference is kind of moot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:02:50
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Hauptmann
In the belly of the whale.
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This is not news. It has been known for a LONG time.
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kestril wrote:The game is only as fun as the people I play it with.
"War is as natural to a man as maternity is to a woman." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:03:39
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Nigel Stillman
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I guess they don't have "It gets better" video's in the grim darkness of the far future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:05:03
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Dark angels use to ride horses into combat. The truth? UNICORNS!
I kid, but only about the second part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:05:29
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Violent Enforcer
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I could be sarcastic, but yeah.. I've known this tidbit for a while. Whether or not the rest of Dakkadakka does or not remains to be seen. I think the reason they came up with some new fluff for their "dark secret" was to avoid any potential ramifications from making homosexuality appear to be something wrong that must be repressed and/or hidden. In recent years, homosexuality has enjoyed growing tolerance and even support from many people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:11:15
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Big shocker that DA are, because I've been under the impression for some time now that the emperor himself was gay as well.
Sure, spending all your time with your "army buddies" and being "too busy" running your campaigns/state to have the time to date, and deciding to opt for cloning rather than real reproduction? I mean... come on...
... neither that armor nor that long, luxurious hair stay that shiny on their own. Just saying...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:12:39
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Hauptmann
In the belly of the whale.
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The Emperor wasn't gay, he was metrosexual.
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kestril wrote:The game is only as fun as the people I play it with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:13:16
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Norn Queen
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:15:05
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Hauptmann
In the belly of the whale.
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spam post
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kestril wrote:The game is only as fun as the people I play it with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:17:21
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice
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What could have been more obvious than their Primarch being named Lion El Johnson?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 01:21:28
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Norn Queen
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He he, Johnson.
Dark Angels are always the butt of 40k jokes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:01:08
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice
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Betcha the robes are for easy access. Lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:13:33
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Hellish Haemonculus
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-Loki- wrote:He he, Johnson.
Heh heh, you said 'Johnson.'
This was the hardest I've laughed in a few days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:14:06
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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This is only tangentially on topic, but I've heard that the Emperor had, canonically, lots of sex. Had a whole host of real children, particularly during the crusade to retake Earth. Probably played for every team though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:16:09
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Sister Oh-So Repentia
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LoneLictor wrote: 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.
I have seen in some of the novels where they say a girl dates other girls, and hinted at sex, just never got into the soft core porn part of it, because well, it's not that type of books.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:23:47
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jimsolo wrote:If they are gay, oh well. No one in 40k has sex anyway, so sexual preference is kind of moot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:27:10
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Fixture of Dakka
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Pretty rasicit much OP? There is no need for this kind of stuff.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:28:06
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Racist? You know "dark" angels refers to the color of their... you know what, never mind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 02:35:13
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Nigel Stillman
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Ailaros wrote:Racist? You know "dark" angels refers to the color of their... you know what, never mind.
Yeah, I've heard that the ladies of the imperium are all pretty miffed that marines with such... potential... turned out to be homosexual.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 09:06:48
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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LoneLictor wrote:
So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?
In other news, did you know Ultramarines might also be a play on the blue colour of the same name or that Eldar might actually have been inspired by the fantasy archetype of Elves, xept in Space?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 10:07:03
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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[DCM]
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This is pretty much an old and well known in joke of the 40K setting, it's not like GW have kept this secret
-- http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/25_facts_for_25_years.html
1) The first ever Black Library novel was Dan Abnett’s First and Only.
2) There are over two hundred Black Library books set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, as well as a host of audio dramas and art books.
3) Gobbledegook was a goblin comic character semi-regularly appearing in his own column in White Dwarf until about issue 100. In one issue he even teleported through a magical gateway and ended up fighting Space Marines.
4) All of the Space Marine Battles novels are based on famous battles that have appeared in codexes and rulebooks.
5) When designing the box game Space Marine it was too expensive to produce a xenos sprue, so after finding an obscure reference to an Imperial civil war in Rick Priestly’s original writings, the box included a red sprue and a blue sprue of Space Marines and the Horus Heresy was born!
6) Dan Abnett makes reference to this in Know No Fear, see if you can spot it...
7) Ian Watson’s novel Space Marine featured Zoats and Slann, long before they appeared in the Warhammer world.
8) The battle for Rynn’s World was first immortalised on the cover for Rogue Trader and has since been made into a novel by Steve Parker.
9) The first ever Space Marne Bike was called the ‘Vincent Black Shadow’.
10) Dan Abnett’s Colonel Commissar Ibram Gaunt appeared in novels before becoming a model and even getting his own rules in the previous edition of the Imperial Guard codex.
11) There have been six iterations of rules for Space Marines, each developing the army, adding in new units and characters, many of whom have gone on to feature in novels of their own.
12) Leman Russ is the only primarch to have had a model made of him.
13) It is a common misconception that orks speak to each other in thick cockney accents. In fact, they rarely use Gothic and instead converse in their own language.
14) One of the first uses of the phrase ‘Dakka Dakka’ was in the classic comic strip ‘Deff Skwadron’.
15) Space Marines featured briefly in an issue of Thrudd the Barbarian.
16) Games Workshop started a record label in the early nineties. They had a band called D-rok who sang heavy metal songs about 40k.
17) "Teef" are widely used as ork currency - they grow back very quickly. Value is determined by the size and width of the toof. It’s not uncommon for an ork to undergo "sergery" to fix a problem, and wake up with no teef left, and the Dok nowhere to be found.
18) Some ork stormboyz used to worship Khorne, but this was seen by other orks as being 'just a phase' and being a bit juvenile.
19) Orks are actually a fungal race, which might explain why they are so hard to kill.
20) Alpharius was the last of the primarchs to be rediscovered by the Emperor.
21) The word ‘Freki’, the name of one of Russ’s wolves means ‘fierce’ in Fenrisian.
22) Ferrus Manus was the first primarch to die at the hands of one of his brothers, during the Horus Heresy.
23) The symbol that Garro and his Knights Errant wear on their shoulder is actually Malcador’s ‘Eye’, not the commonly believed inquisitorial =][=.
24) The Sisters of Battle were originally called the ‘Brides of the Emperor’.
25) The primarch of the Dark Angels, Lion El’Johnson was named after a nineteenth century English poet, Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem called ‘The Dark Angel’.
It wasn't ever the case that theri big secret was that they were gay, the name was chosen in 1st edition/ RT times and then when the Primarchs were made more key as the fluff evolved they called their Primarch this as a tip of the hat/in joke. 40k was and to a lesser extent is full of such puns and jokes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 10:45:57
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Stormin' Stompa
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25) The primarch of the Dark Angels, Lion El’Johnson was named after a nineteenth century English poet, Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem called ‘The Dark Angel’. I don't think GW even thought about the gay part. Back in the back most of the references weren't really that deep or thought-through. "Lionel Johnson wrote a poem called 'The Dark Angel'?...Cool, lets call the primarch of the Dark Angels Lion El'Johnson......", and that was pretty much as far as they thought. That kind of thing happens all over. Look at the Caduceus used by a lot of american health-care providers instead of the rod of Asclepius. I bet they didn't think about how the Caduceus is also a symbol for death. I bet they just thought; "Hey, a rod with snakes and wings....that is just like that doctor-symbol, only cooler!". ...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 10:52:34
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Steelmage99 wrote:25) The primarch of the Dark Angels, Lion El’Johnson was named after a nineteenth century English poet, Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem called ‘The Dark Angel’.
I don't think GW even thought about the gay part.
Back in the back most of the references weren't really that deep or thought-through. "Lionel Johnson wrote a poem called 'The Dark Angel'?...Cool, lets call the primarch of the Dark Angels Lion El'Johnson......", and that was pretty much as far as they thought.
Yes and no. In the "off-line" days before internet, google, wikipedia or whatever, they'd have needed to know the poem in the first place. Thus, likely someone of the "original crew" had it covered at a point in a literature class in school or university. Had it in a poem-collection at home from some grandparent, whatever. Something of that sort.
And just the same, while much may seem trivial and obvious, when it's only one google-search away, "easter eggs" like this wouldn't have been as easily apparent back in the late 1980s or early 1990s.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 17:16:07
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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... Or maybe someone in the original team was secretly a friend of Dorothy But yes, the Dark Angels have a certain "something" running besides their usual themes of penitence and monastic life that could be interpreted as a pun on closeted, self hating homosexuals.
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War does not determine who is right - only who is left. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 21:37:42
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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Mutating Changebringer
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20) Alpharius was the last of the primarchs to be rediscovered by the Emperor.
I thought Lion El'Johnson was the last found.
First created, last found.
As a result of being the last discovered the legion was given the newest equipment and gear. Including massive amounts of the new tactical dreadnought armour.
Also the divide within the chapter can be considered to be cause between the original dark angels of terra who had been fighting alongside the emperor from day one,
against thenew dark angels of Calliban.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 21:54:59
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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Regular Dakkanaut
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My thoughts on this??? WELL New Rule: Dark Angles must be painted Rainbow and wear short shorts as opposed to power armour leggings...
Really what doe's it matter just means less Christians will play them because you know the whole if it happens in nature it's a sin thing....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/28 22:09:22
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Please stand by, a Deathwing squad have been dispatched to your position to escort you to your local friendly neighborhood Interrogator-Chaplain.
But in all seriousness, how many of these threads do we need? GW saw the guy wrote a poem called "Dark Angel" and went "Huh, cool name, we should reference it".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/29 09:03:32
Subject: Re:The Dark Angel's Secret
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DeffDred wrote:20) Alpharius was the last of the primarchs to be rediscovered by the Emperor.
I thought Lion El'Johnson was the last found.
First created, last found.
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As said, Alpharius was the last one found (and the only one not found "directly" by the Emperor, but by Horus). Horus was the first primarch that was found. And the Primarchs were all created at the same time.. so there's no "first created" or "last created" really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/02/29 09:05:08
Subject: The Dark Angel's Secret
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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LoneLictor wrote:Okay, I found it out. Look at this and this. And, if you're too lazy to read, let me summarize; The Dark Angels are gay. That was supposed to be their big secret. Yeah. Of course, they changed this secret to that half of their Legion fell to Chaos, because people realized that this was a bad idea. 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.
So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?
Why is that matter? Even if Lion secretly loved Luther that doesn't mean that every Dark Angel was homosexual. And we can't even confirm that Lion was gay since he never acted like that, Luther was to him more like a brother then lover. Just because they are based on some homosexual poet and his song "Dark Angel" automatically means that they are gays? In a same manner Krieg is based upon WW1 Germany and that means that they will always lose because they lost the original war?
I think that Dark Angel secret about fallen brothers and hunt for them is cool. A fight for retribution and to restore honor is always interesting.
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