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Okay, I found it out. Look at this and this. And, if you're too lazy to read, let me summarize; The Dark Angels are gay. That was supposed to be their big secret. Yeah. Of course, they changed this secret to that half of their Legion fell to Chaos, because people realized that this was a bad idea. 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.

So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?
   
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Not so much of a revelation. Kind of already knew that. The first time someone talked about the poem, I looked it up and was like "Oh, he's gay. So, the Dark Angels are gay?"

If they are gay, oh well. No one in 40k has sex anyway, so sexual preference is kind of moot.

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This is not news. It has been known for a LONG time.

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Dark angels use to ride horses into combat. The truth? UNICORNS!

I kid, but only about the second part.

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I could be sarcastic, but yeah.. I've known this tidbit for a while. Whether or not the rest of Dakkadakka does or not remains to be seen. I think the reason they came up with some new fluff for their "dark secret" was to avoid any potential ramifications from making homosexuality appear to be something wrong that must be repressed and/or hidden. In recent years, homosexuality has enjoyed growing tolerance and even support from many people.

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Big shocker that DA are, because I've been under the impression for some time now that the emperor himself was gay as well.

Sure, spending all your time with your "army buddies" and being "too busy" running your campaigns/state to have the time to date, and deciding to opt for cloning rather than real reproduction? I mean... come on...



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The Emperor wasn't gay, he was metrosexual.

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kestril wrote:The game is only as fun as the people I play it with.


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What could have been more obvious than their Primarch being named Lion El Johnson?
   
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He he, Johnson.

Dark Angels are always the butt of 40k jokes.
   
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Betcha the robes are for easy access. Lol
   
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-Loki- wrote:He he, Johnson.



Heh heh, you said 'Johnson.'

This was the hardest I've laughed in a few days.

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This is only tangentially on topic, but I've heard that the Emperor had, canonically, lots of sex. Had a whole host of real children, particularly during the crusade to retake Earth. Probably played for every team though.

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LoneLictor wrote: 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.


I have seen in some of the novels where they say a girl dates other girls, and hinted at sex, just never got into the soft core porn part of it, because well, it's not that type of books.
   
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Jimsolo wrote:If they are gay, oh well. No one in 40k has sex anyway, so sexual preference is kind of moot.
   
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Racist? You know "dark" angels refers to the color of their... you know what, never mind.


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Ailaros wrote:Racist? You know "dark" angels refers to the color of their... you know what, never mind.



Yeah, I've heard that the ladies of the imperium are all pretty miffed that marines with such... potential... turned out to be homosexual.


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LoneLictor wrote:

So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?


In other news, did you know Ultramarines might also be a play on the blue colour of the same name or that Eldar might actually have been inspired by the fantasy archetype of Elves, xept in Space?

   
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This is pretty much an old and well known in joke of the 40K setting, it's not like GW have kept this secret

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It wasn't ever the case that theri big secret was that they were gay, the name was chosen in 1st edition/RT times and then when the Primarchs were made more key as the fluff evolved they called their Primarch this as a tip of the hat/in joke. 40k was and to a lesser extent is full of such puns and jokes.




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25) The primarch of the Dark Angels, Lion El’Johnson was named after a nineteenth century English poet, Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem called ‘The Dark Angel’.


I don't think GW even thought about the gay part.
Back in the back most of the references weren't really that deep or thought-through. "Lionel Johnson wrote a poem called 'The Dark Angel'?...Cool, lets call the primarch of the Dark Angels Lion El'Johnson......", and that was pretty much as far as they thought.

That kind of thing happens all over.
Look at the Caduceus used by a lot of american health-care providers instead of the rod of Asclepius. I bet they didn't think about how the Caduceus is also a symbol for death. I bet they just thought; "Hey, a rod with snakes and wings....that is just like that doctor-symbol, only cooler!".


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Steelmage99 wrote:
25) The primarch of the Dark Angels, Lion El’Johnson was named after a nineteenth century English poet, Lionel Johnson, who wrote a poem called ‘The Dark Angel’.


I don't think GW even thought about the gay part.
Back in the back most of the references weren't really that deep or thought-through. "Lionel Johnson wrote a poem called 'The Dark Angel'?...Cool, lets call the primarch of the Dark Angels Lion El'Johnson......", and that was pretty much as far as they thought.


Yes and no. In the "off-line" days before internet, google, wikipedia or whatever, they'd have needed to know the poem in the first place. Thus, likely someone of the "original crew" had it covered at a point in a literature class in school or university. Had it in a poem-collection at home from some grandparent, whatever. Something of that sort.

And just the same, while much may seem trivial and obvious, when it's only one google-search away, "easter eggs" like this wouldn't have been as easily apparent back in the late 1980s or early 1990s.

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... Or maybe someone in the original team was secretly a friend of Dorothy

But yes, the Dark Angels have a certain "something" running besides their usual themes of penitence and monastic life that could be interpreted as a pun on closeted, self hating homosexuals.

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20) Alpharius was the last of the primarchs to be rediscovered by the Emperor.


I thought Lion El'Johnson was the last found.

First created, last found.

As a result of being the last discovered the legion was given the newest equipment and gear. Including massive amounts of the new tactical dreadnought armour.

Also the divide within the chapter can be considered to be cause between the original dark angels of terra who had been fighting alongside the emperor from day one,

against thenew dark angels of Calliban.

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My thoughts on this??? WELL New Rule: Dark Angles must be painted Rainbow and wear short shorts as opposed to power armour leggings...

Really what doe's it matter just means less Christians will play them because you know the whole if it happens in nature it's a sin thing....


 
   
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But in all seriousness, how many of these threads do we need? GW saw the guy wrote a poem called "Dark Angel" and went "Huh, cool name, we should reference it".

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DeffDred wrote:
20) Alpharius was the last of the primarchs to be rediscovered by the Emperor.


I thought Lion El'Johnson was the last found.

First created, last found.
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As said, Alpharius was the last one found (and the only one not found "directly" by the Emperor, but by Horus). Horus was the first primarch that was found. And the Primarchs were all created at the same time.. so there's no "first created" or "last created" really.

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LoneLictor wrote:Okay, I found it out. Look at this and this. And, if you're too lazy to read, let me summarize; The Dark Angels are gay. That was supposed to be their big secret. Yeah. Of course, they changed this secret to that half of their Legion fell to Chaos, because people realized that this was a bad idea. 40k has generally avoided sexuality altogether (except in the case of Slaaneshi Worshippers and even then they're pretty vague) and so having an entire Legion be gay wouldn't be a good idea in the designer's eyes.

So, what are people's thoughts on this? I'd especially like to hear the opinions of Dark Angels players. How are you taking this startling revelation?


Why is that matter? Even if Lion secretly loved Luther that doesn't mean that every Dark Angel was homosexual. And we can't even confirm that Lion was gay since he never acted like that, Luther was to him more like a brother then lover. Just because they are based on some homosexual poet and his song "Dark Angel" automatically means that they are gays? In a same manner Krieg is based upon WW1 Germany and that means that they will always lose because they lost the original war?

I think that Dark Angel secret about fallen brothers and hunt for them is cool. A fight for retribution and to restore honor is always interesting.

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