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Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

Calling for a boycott against GW on a site dedicated to the games and hobbies GW makes is going to be as effective as calling for a gun ban at an Alabama gun show.

Most people that play these games understand that they will have to pay stupid amounts of money for little plastic toys. This is the same type of price gouging that is happening in the video game industry, as well. A boycott will end up taking the fun out of the hobby, though, and that is a cost I won't pay.

If you are unhappy with the prices GW charges, you have a couple options:

1)Buy from a reseller like warstore who charges less.
2)Buy from ebay
3)Find a different game to play. There are more games to the table top wargaming hobby than the 3 that GW makes; take this opportunity to give Warmachine or Flames of War a chance.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:Calling for a boycott against GW on a site dedicated to the games and hobbies GW makes is going to be as effective as calling for a gun ban at an Alabama gun show.

Most people that play these games understand that they will have to pay stupid amounts of money for little plastic toys. This is the same type of price gouging that is happening in the video game industry, as well. A boycott will end up taking the fun out of the hobby, though, and that is a cost I won't pay.

If you are unhappy with the prices GW charges, you have a couple options:

1)Buy from a reseller like warstore who charges less.
2)Buy from ebay
3)Find a different game to play. There are more games to the table top wargaming hobby than the 3 that GW makes; take this opportunity to give Warmachine or Flames of War a chance.

-cgmckenzie

Then I hope you're happy with $100+ land raiders, cause GW is going to keep going up and up and up and up.

There will be a lot of Ebay sellers soon with rumors of price increases and 6th coming (which if the reactions to rumors are anything will cause a lot of people to rage quit). So yeah, maybe I should start prowling ebay more often in the near future.

Maelstrom are doing another 17% off deal atm.

If you can have a night out for the same cost as a box of troops or even a tank, you're having rubbish nights out.
Less whinging, more playing.

gendoikari87 wrote:Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

If the people playing the game cannot afford the models, they will be unable to buy and Games workshop will be forced to lower the prices to keep their business afloat. However, things like boycotts wont even dent their bottom line. With any market there is a general fluctuation of the supplier raising prices to the maximum to be most profitable. Consumers of Games Workshop products can still afford the prices and so they will remain as they are. This is basic economics.

Remember, Games workshop does not owe you anything. You are not entitled to their products. Plastic toys are exclusively a luxury, and unless something changes to make that otherwise games workshop will be able to do whatever the hell they want.

gendoikari87 wrote:Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

I would pull up the, 'Oh look, it's this thread again,' image, but it's really not worth the effort. You really need a better plan than, 'rawr, price rage!'

Joey wrote:If you can have a night out for the same cost as a box of troops or even a tank, you're having rubbish nights out.
Less whinging, more playing.

I can have a decent night out for the rumored cost of a Land Raider, post-hike. It's all about where you go and what your idea of a decent night out is. $80 is more than enough to get me fed and utterly trashed at my favorite pub. But on the other hand, as they say, "Boycott....lol yeh shure bro".

Meh.

I've been avoiding paying retail for the better part of a year now. Don't like the prices? Either adapt to them, go online, or quit playing.

Stuff like this never works. Don't think you're the first to suggest it, and you most certainly won't be the last.

I think that's pretty legit way of thinking...GW keep raising prices but worsen models' quality and game balance (I don't want to start a flame or complaint, but it's quite clear that things like Grey Knight are not meant for a wealthy competition, but only to sell the new models because they are so strong!). They don't include enough pieces in their sprues to force you buying "additional kits", and even delay the launch of some miniatures to sell more of the previous s*** (Necron Wraiths and Spiders are a quite clear example...don't tell me that they didn't had the models ready, a Kickstarter project would have done it!).
If you add that, in the same city, you can find a GW shop which sells at "full price" and, a couple of km far, an "indipendent shop" that sells GW+privateer+more, and at a 20% discount, you can understand why people think about boycotting GW...
TBH, how the hell is an indipendent shop able to offer YOUR models at 20% discount from your prices??

Nerds have awful impulse control and boycotts go nowhere. I said it last year and I'll say it again. While a few people might actually go through with it, some cool new kit will drop in a month or three and boycotters will be all over it. I'm not happy with the price hikes either, but I'm in the throes of building an army out of metal Valhallans secondhand, so I'm not buying much in the way of new stuff from GW.

Nix wrote:
TBH, how the hell is an indipendent shop able to offer YOUR models at 20% discount from your prices??

Magic, that or GW sells to them at more than a 20% discount and still makes a profit.

GW annual price increase? *Changes batteries in smoke alarms* Thanks! I needed that reminder.

I'm going back to assembling my Contemptor Dreadnought and Astral Claws Razorback.

Nix wrote:I think that's pretty legit way of thinking...GW keep raising prices but worsen models' quality

What? The current plastic models are terrible quality? You jest, I hope. Or is this another complaint about finecast? Yawn

Nix wrote: and game balance (I don't want to start a flame or complaint, but it's quite clear that things like Grey Knight are not meant for a wealthy competition, but only to sell the new models because they are so strong!).

What, the terminators that are easier to kill than loyalist ones, those really strong ones? The really over the top parts of the book they dont even really fully make - DCA and psyriflemen.

Nix wrote: They don't include enough pieces in their sprues to force you buying "additional kits",

Another "why dont devastators have every weapon option for all 4 weapons, waaaah" "argument". Sprue space. You realise this isnt free, right? Plus, have you seen the DE and GK sprues - the ones made with the newer tech so they can more densely pack things - have you seen how many of the options you DO get? Damn near all of them. Just compare say the assault terminator sprue with a GKT sprue, and note the difference in density.

YOU may want dev boxes to cost twice as much (an extra couple sprues to give all those extra weapons) but i'd rather they didnt.

Nix wrote:and even delay the launch of some miniatures to sell more of the previous s*** (Necron Wraiths and Spiders are a quite clear example...don't tell me that they didn't had the models ready, a Kickstarter project would have done it!).

What, the models they were a) in a legal battle over and b) like any business they quite like to run down existing stocks first before releasing new stuff?

Oh, and kickstarter wouldnt have the £1m+ for the tooling, the £30 - 50k per sprue mould (and yu dont just have one per sprue ) that it costs, nor the trained staff using quite expensive 3D modelling systems to actually make the models work on a plastic injection moulding platform.

Nix wrote:If you add that, in the same city, you can find a GW shop which sells at "full price" and, a couple of km far, an "indipendent shop" that sells GW+privateer+more, and at a 20% discount, you can understand why people think about boycotting GW...
TBH, how the hell is an indipendent shop able to offer YOUR models at 20% discount from your prices??

Sigh. Ever understood how being a producer and reseller, in a monopoly position, means you are constrained by what you can do? Basic competition law folks. They were enjoined from offering sales, ever, and are not allowed to discount except to staff members. There's also the slight difference bertween GW retail and most indys - most indys dont have free painting and playing areas, most dont have people who will sit down and teach you techniques, because that is all overhead.

Boycott if you want. IT will make absolutely no difference to GW

Hey here's a silver lining, Forgeworld is now affordable.

It's unrealistic to expect people to boycott GW products completely, but simply not having anything to do with GW (buying only from non-GW sites for everything) is reasonable and what I'm going to do now. Though I previously only ordered from GW for things like paint/supplies.

Boycott doesn't mean you have to quit playing, boycott means you stop buying.

gendoikari87 wrote:Boycott doesn't mean you have to quit playing, boycott means you stop buying.

No it doesn't. You can't pick and choose. Either stop playing, stop buying (including e-bay and online discounters), stop everything, or you aren't boycotting. You're just being pissy.

There is a fine line.

If you and all your friends at your FLGS only buy online and never support your store, then your FLGS will go out of business and you won't have as many people to play warhammer with.

That's why I buy retail. I'm supporting the guy who runs the gaming store I play at. That extra 20% is what I'm paying for tables to play on, terrain to play with, and a place to meet with dozens of other gamers. I call it my club house.

If land raiders are over 100 bucks a pop. Ill just buy 1 every 2 months, but the amount I'm spending will stay the same. If warhammer crap gets to expensive, Ill spend my money on Munchkin or another game.

Why do you people bitch about GW price increases?

At least your not in Australia and have to pay 50-70% more then everyone else.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote:I think that's pretty legit way of thinking...GW keep raising prices but worsen models' quality

What? The current plastic models are terrible quality? You jest, I hope. Or is this another complaint about finecast? Yawn

I'm happy you see "complaint about finecast" like yawn...maybe your devotion towards GW makes you a little blind...they are LOWER QUALITY than previous metal and even plastic kits. Period. For a company in business from so long, it's not quite an improvement, can you see it??

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote: and game balance (I don't want to start a flame or complaint, but it's quite clear that things like Grey Knight are not meant for a wealthy competition, but only to sell the new models because they are so strong!).

What, the terminators that are easier to kill than loyalist ones, those really strong ones? The really over the top parts of the book they dont even really fully make - DCA and psyriflemen.

Nah, the easiest deathstars ever, IC that do EVERYTHING, purifier spam + psyriflemen hard-hitting any list...or the simple fact that they STEAMROLL tournaments? Maybe not EVERYTHING in those codex is OP, but a blind without ears would admit that their codex is NOT BALANCED.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote: They don't include enough pieces in their sprues to force you buying "additional kits",

Another "why dont devastators have every weapon option for all 4 weapons, waaaah" "argument". Sprue space. You realise this isnt free, right? Plus, have you seen the DE and GK sprues - the ones made with the newer tech so they can more densely pack things - have you seen how many of the options you DO get? Damn near all of them. Just compare say the assault terminator sprue with a GKT sprue, and note the difference in density.

YOU may want dev boxes to cost twice as much (an extra couple sprues to give all those extra weapons) but i'd rather they didnt.

Mm...how strange...wait a min...it is a "material cost" right? So, tell me...why a "Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1" (finecast, 4 models) costs 33$, and a single "Brother Captain Stern" (finecast, 1 model) cost $22.25? Does it have the "equivalent resin" of 3 poor Damned Legionnaires? No. It's not production cost.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote:and even delay the launch of some miniatures to sell more of the previous s*** (Necron Wraiths and Spiders are a quite clear example...don't tell me that they didn't had the models ready, a Kickstarter project would have done it!).

What, the models they were a) in a legal battle over and b) like any business they quite like to run down existing stocks first before releasing new stuff?

Oh, and kickstarter wouldnt have the £1m+ for the tooling, the £30 - 50k per sprue mould (and yu dont just have one per sprue ) that it costs, nor the trained staff using quite expensive 3D modelling systems to actually make the models work on a plastic injection moulding platform.

Yep, probably a "minor company" (I don't want to offend you, Puppetswar^^) like puppetswar.eu is composed of geniuses and such, because they released them before GW and at HALF PRICE...yes, they're not kickstarters, but they are not GW either...

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote:If you add that, in the same city, you can find a GW shop which sells at "full price" and, a couple of km far, an "indipendent shop" that sells GW+privateer+more, and at a 20% discount, you can understand why people think about boycotting GW...
TBH, how the hell is an indipendent shop able to offer YOUR models at 20% discount from your prices??

Sigh. Ever understood how being a producer and reseller, in a monopoly position, means you are constrained by what you can do? Basic competition law folks. They were enjoined from offering sales, ever, and are not allowed to discount except to staff members. There's also the slight difference bertween GW retail and most indys - most indys dont have free painting and playing areas, most dont have people who will sit down and teach you techniques, because that is all overhead.

Yes, I understand that If you sell something to an indipendant, you are already getting a margin. Oh, wait, he has to live too, so he's getting ANOTHER margin. BUT by a miracle of the Divine Light of Sigmar, that "grim indipendant" could afford to give us 20% discount.


I'm sorry for the indys in your area, but ALL the indipendants I know:

1) offer 20% discount and up to a 35% if you buy for a game club!

2) have 6+ painting stations, with free colors (not only GW ones, but even Vallejo and others), the will and skill to help you paint

3) have playing areas, and they are quite happy to let you play even games that they don't offer in the shop; on the other hand, Me&a friend have been told to "limit" our BattlefleetGothic plays to the "basement tables" at a GW shop, because some kids stepped in and were amazed by the game, and when they asked the shop owner about the models he was upset because the fact we diverted the kids' attention from the "blockbuster products" to a "...marginal, old and quite unplayed game..."

4) usually keep a quite large "bits market"

5) don't try to fool you into buying some "weird" army. I can't hear things like: "competitively speaking, Chaos Space Marines, Tau and Dark Eldars are at the same power level, so start with what you like!". I can understand "start with what you like the best", not "are at the same power level".


At this point, I don't care if anyone is willing to boycott GW or not. I think they are not doing a great job, increasing prices and lowering quality. I see lower prices on indipendants, with similar services, so when I step into a GW shop I feel like they are overcharging my miniatures because of nothing.

kronk wrote:GW annual price increase? *Changes batteries in smoke alarms* Thanks! I needed that reminder.

I'm going back to assembling my Contemptor Dreadnought and Astral Claws Razorback.

Weekly price rage thread? Yay.

I probably wont boycott them because they are entitled to charge what they want but I do believe they are significantly overpriced. There isn't that much of a demand. A lot of people buy used 40k items and there are a ton of bits in circulation.

I honestly prefer metal models. I loved the weight of them and they are at least a better quality of material so I feel better when spending more money on them.

They are also ten times easier to strip and repaint.

I don't mind paying a highe rprice but give me better material than plastic and resin, I never understood the complaint of metal models in the first place.

Nix wrote:
I'm happy you see "complaint about finecast" like yawn...maybe your devotion towards GW makes you a little blind...they are LOWER QUALITY than previous metal and even plastic kits. Period. For a company in business from so long, it's not quite an improvement, can you see it??

Personally, I've never had AS bad of a problem with them as most people freak out about. The internet hate machine is so hyperbolic also that usually, for myself at least, I become MORE suspect of the complaint the more I hear people moaning about it.

Nix wrote:
Nah, the easiest deathstars ever, IC that do EVERYTHING, purifier spam + psyriflemen hard-hitting any list...or the simple fact that they STEAMROLL tournaments? Maybe not EVERYTHING in those codex is OP, but a blind without ears would admit that their codex is NOT BALANCED.

Woah, hold on. That LOOKS like English, but the I can't actually figure out what you're complaining about. Slow down. What IC are you talking about? You're saying that purifier spam and psyriflemen are the easiest deathstars? That doesn't follow the typical definition of a deathstar unit. Also, psyriflemen don't have models, going back to what nos said. How are they profiteering from models they haven't created?

Nix wrote:Mm...how strange...wait a min...it is a "material cost" right? So, tell me...why a "Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1" (finecast, 4 models) costs 33$, and a single "Brother Captain Stern" (finecast, 1 model) cost $22.25? Does it have the "equivalent resin" of 3 poor Damned Legionnaires? No. It's not production cost.

Stern is also an IC, and an HQ. There's (usually) a higher standard of detail put into those than into rank and file or elites. To be fair, Legion of the Damned is kind of a joke anyway, I've never seen anyone anywhere field them. That might also have something to do with why the cost is so (relatively) low on them.

Yep, probably a "minor company" (I don't want to offend you, Puppetswar^^) like puppetswar.eu is composed of geniuses and such, because they released them before GW and at HALF PRICE...yes, they're not kickstarters, but they are not GW either...

Made out of resin, not injection moulded plastic, and probably not as configurable as the GW ones. Post the ones you're talking about; I would enjoy seeing them.

Yes, I understand that If you sell something to an indipendant, you are already getting a margin. Oh, wait, he has to live too, so he's getting ANOTHER margin. BUT by a miracle of the Divine Light of Sigmar, that "grim indipendant" could afford to give us 20% discount.

I don't get your point. I assume that independent retailers get probably somewhere from 25-35% discount when ordering from GW (when I worked at a computer shop, this was closer to 40-50% on certain things) and they then mark it up to MSRP, or discount it as such, and claim the margin as 'profit' (well, kind of, I mean, you still have to take into account operational costs and all that).

The idea behind this is that they make it back in volume, or get you in there for the things they probably have more of a markup on, like glue/paints, soda, and puffed cheetos. It's a pretty common tactic.

GW, on the other hand, is all part of the same hydra, so their hands are tied on price-setting and all of that.

This topic again. 10 years ago I had 5 40k armies and mow I have only 3 armies now. With this price increase I migh cut down to two armies.

thevirus wrote:This topic again. 10 years ago I had 5 40k armies and mow I have only 3 armies now. With this price increase I migh cut down to two armies.

If you already have the armies, why would you get rid of them? Price changes aren't retroactive, you don't have to pay more for existing models.

pretre wrote: Price changes aren't retroactive, you don't have to pay more for existing models.

You mean... I... uh.... hmm.

I have a phone call to make.

pretre wrote:If you already have the armies, why would you get rid of them? Price changes aren't retroactive, you don't have to pay more for existing models.

Well, realistically you don't have to get rid of them, they just "stop working". Unless you're into Destroyer/Monolith frustration against MSU Mech.

daedalus wrote:

pretre wrote: Price changes aren't retroactive, you don't have to pay more for existing models.

You mean... I... uh.... hmm.

I have a phone call to make.

Oh you're still fine, daedalus. Keep sending your 'maintenance' checks to me the same as always. My kid needs new clothes.