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thevirus wrote:This topic again. 10 years ago I had 5 40k armies and mow I have only 3 armies now. With this price increase I migh cut down to two armies.

Sums up the mainstream anti-GW argument right there.
Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, bravo

I wont boycott, the increase only marginally effects me as an Ork player, since only 7 items in the Ork range are getting increased (Mostly HQ models). And as far as paint and tools go, I don't use GW products in that regard.

I also like many have already stated use eBay and thewarstore for my purchases.

daedalus wrote:

Nix wrote:
I'm happy you see "complaint about finecast" like yawn...maybe your devotion towards GW makes you a little blind...they are LOWER QUALITY than previous metal and even plastic kits. Period. For a company in business from so long, it's not quite an improvement, can you see it??

Personally, I've never had AS bad of a problem with them as most people freak out about. The internet hate machine is so hyperbolic also that usually, for myself at least, I become MORE suspect of the complaint the more I hear people moaning about it.

I had some, not that many, but, like I said, they are LOWER QUALITY. I'm not saying that every finecast is broken, but the fact they claimed it like a neat upgrade and was instead a bad choice makes my argument legit, I suppose. (they are lowering the quality: not for every model, but anyway lowering it)

daedalus wrote:[

Nix wrote:
Nah, the easiest deathstars ever, IC that do EVERYTHING, purifier spam + psyriflemen hard-hitting any list...or the simple fact that they STEAMROLL tournaments? Maybe not EVERYTHING in those codex is OP, but a blind without ears would admit that their codex is NOT BALANCED.

Woah, hold on. That LOOKS like English, but the I can't actually figure out what you're complaining about. Slow down. What IC are you talking about? You're saying that purifier spam and psyriflemen are the easiest deathstars? That doesn't follow the typical definition of a deathstar unit. Also, psyriflemen don't have models, going back to what nos said. How are they profiteering from models they haven't created?

Sorry for my bad English, it's not my motherlanguage. That sentence wanted to be a list; GK has: 1) easiest deathstars (Draigo+palas); 2) IC that do EVERYTHING (Draigo, Crowe, High Inquisitor...); 3) the purifier + psyrifleman is an easy, take all comers, hard hitting list (it's true, psyrifleman doesn't exist, but they anyway profit by selling the "base" Dreddy). They make profit by publishing a not-balanced codex, and then selling those minis.

daedalus wrote:[

Nix wrote:Mm...how strange...wait a min...it is a "material cost" right? So, tell me...why a "Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1" (finecast, 4 models) costs 33$, and a single "Brother Captain Stern" (finecast, 1 model) cost $22.25? Does it have the "equivalent resin" of 3 poor Damned Legionnaires? No. It's not production cost.

Stern is also an IC, and an HQ. There's (usually) a higher standard of detail put into those than into rank and file or elites. To be fair, Legion of the Damned is kind of a joke anyway, I've never seen anyone anywhere field them. That might also have something to do with why the cost is so (relatively) low on them.

This is exactly what I was trying to tell: adding a greater weapon selection in sprues is not a problem of "cost of more plastic". In fact, the "kind of joke" nature of the LoD might have somtheing to do with the cost so relatively low on them. I keep asking myself why they don't give us the right weapons for our models; if a Dreadnought can be kitted with weapon A, B, C, D, E & F, I want all of those in the sprue, because when I buy the box, I buy a Dreadnought and I want to kit it in a way my codex let me do it. Why should I wander around looking for weapons for a Dreadnought that WEREN'T in it's box? If I can choose them on the codex, I want them in the box.

daedalus wrote:[

Yep, probably a "minor company" (I don't want to offend you, Puppetswar^^) like puppetswar.eu is composed of geniuses and such, because they released them before GW and at HALF PRICE...yes, they're not kickstarters, but they are not GW either...

Made out of resin, not injection moulded plastic, and probably not as configurable as the GW ones. Post the ones you're talking about; I would enjoy seeing them.

If you look for Puppetswar Cyber Anthropods on google, you find them (I don't want to post them here for a lot of reasons). Maybe they are not as configurable, but resin, as GW said, is "higher quality" than injection moulded plastic (the motivation behind finecast and such!!).

daedalus wrote:[

Yes, I understand that If you sell something to an indipendant, you are already getting a margin. Oh, wait, he has to live too, so he's getting ANOTHER margin. BUT by a miracle of the Divine Light of Sigmar, that "grim indipendant" could afford to give us 20% discount.

I don't get your point. I assume that independent retailers get probably somewhere from 25-35% discount when ordering from GW (when I worked at a computer shop, this was closer to 40-50% on certain things) and they then mark it up to MSRP, or discount it as such, and claim the margin as 'profit' (well, kind of, I mean, you still have to take into account operational costs and all that).

The idea behind this is that they make it back in volume, or get you in there for the things they probably have more of a markup on, like glue/paints, soda, and puffed cheetos. It's a pretty common tactic.

GW, on the other hand, is all part of the same hydra, so their hands are tied on price-setting and all of that.

If an indipendant can afford lower prices than the "company retailers" making it back in volume, there is something flawed in their marketing policies. I worked at an Engineering Company, and Resellers that sold our products and Parts did so at an HIGHER PRICE than we did, obviously. We would have been crazy to let 'em sell at a lower price, because they would have been our competitors, then.

I hope I've been better with my English this time, I apologize again.

Nix wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Nix wrote:I think that's pretty legit way of thinking...GW keep raising prices but worsen models' quality

What? The current plastic models are terrible quality? You jest, I hope. Or is this another complaint about finecast? Yawn

I'm happy you see "complaint about finecast" like yawn...maybe your devotion towards GW makes you a little blind...they are LOWER QUALITY than previous metal and even plastic kits. Period. For a company in business from so long, it's not quite an improvement, can you see it??

Oh gosh, where to start.....

You made a BLANKET statement that the quality of minis has dropped. Not finecast, *any* mini. That is pure crap, as you well know. Dont even attempt to claim plastics are worse than they used to be

Secondly - "devotion" to GW? Do you see the whole world in B&W? Just because I dont think everything they do is terribad doesnt mean I am devoted to them. Do i like them? Yes.

Finally - your declarative statement that finecast is lower quality than metal is also wrong. Early issues - yes. However I've not had any issues recently, for example the new necron models.

Nix wrote:Nah, the easiest deathstars ever, IC that do EVERYTHING, purifier spam + psyriflemen hard-hitting any list...or the simple fact that they STEAMROLL tournaments? Maybe not EVERYTHING in those codex is OP, but a blind without ears would admit that their codex is NOT BALANCED.

Really, they "steamroll" tournies? Wrong. Maybe initially, like any book, but checkout for example the indy GT - best players in the UK attending, 120 players, and TAU won. Draigowing isnt that great, purifier spam is hardly competitive any longer - yes, psyriflemen are bad, for their points, but only really when combined with razorback spam - with cheap henchman and DCAs.

Players, in the UK, have adapted. If they havent where you are, that;s hardly GWs fault.

Nix wrote:Mm...how strange...wait a min...it is a "material cost" right? So, tell me...why a "Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1" (finecast, 4 models) costs 33$, and a single "Brother Captain Stern" (finecast, 1 model) cost $22.25? Does it have the "equivalent resin" of 3 poor Damned Legionnaires? No. It's not production cost.

Good job I didnt say it was production cost then.

Sigh. You just apparently dont understand manufacturing, so I'll break it down even more:

Making sprues, as in MAKING THE MOULD for plastic sprues, costs a LOT of money. Money that has to be recouped through sales. Making more sprues has a direct cost on the price you can sell the goods for, so you still make money on the box. So putting one extra sprue in means the box costs more

As to your diversion into the realm of finecast - how many BC Sterns does a GK army usually buy? 1. How many LatD (lol) do you need to buy? More than 4, so more than 1 pack. Simple logic tells you that if you have X initial cost (designer time, time spent making them, material cost, shipping cost, storage cost - you know, al those things you are ignoring in your naive comparisons) over Y expected sales, if Y is low then your cost Z needs to be higher. To put it even more simpler - if you buy 1 BC ever you need to charge more for that stern because less will be sold, otherwise you do not recoup your costs.

It has always been this way, and anyone with an ounce (25g) of business experience knows this; the lower the volume you sell, the more you have to charge to recover to profit based on other costs being the same.

Nix wrote:Yep, probably a "minor company" (I don't want to offend you, Puppetswar^^) like puppetswar.eu is composed of geniuses and such, because they released them before GW and at HALF PRICE...yes, they're not kickstarters, but they are not GW either...

Oh dear....

Lol. They only produce resin. They dont have to stock a few hundred stores, al at the same time. They dont have to find space on the highly utilised £1m+ (thats MILLION) machines that produce the plastic models. They dont have to make models that are multipose and customisable, as noone expects it with resin. You do realise there is a SLIGHT difference in cost between computer controlled plastic injection molding and simple spincast resin, yes? While the material cost is higher for resin, literally everything else about it is cheaper - for small runs. Its quicker to set up and get going, and is perfect for small places.

Plainly you are commenting in an area you dont have much experience in, and I would avoid commenting further without doing some basic research. You will just look foolish

Oh, and had a look on puppetwars - didnt see any wraith like models there. Hada look all over. By any chance were they breaching GW IP? Shock.

Nix wrote:Yes, I understand that If you sell something to an indipendant, you are already getting a margin. Oh, wait, he has to live too, so he's getting ANOTHER margin. BUT by a miracle of the Divine Light of Sigmar, that "grim indipendant" could afford to give us 20% discount.

Nope, you clearly didnt understand a single thing I said

You know that word "enjoined", right? That means "not allowed to, as told by the CC (well, M&M back then), under ££££penalties"

They. Are. Not. Allowed. To. Offer. Discounts. They used to - GW sales were legendary - but those same Indys you love so much for offering a discount were a *little* bit peeved that the functional monopoly producer of minis was offering product for retail themselves below the cost they were selling to indys.

So what they do is they, as usual, have an MSRP based discount to indys - more if you are B&M, less if you are online only, as theyre not idiots and know this hobby would die without retail space. In store they sell full cost, but do you know the rough profit per box they make, after costs? 50p per box. Thats it.

Nix wrote:I'm sorry for the indys in your area, but ALL the indipendants I know:

1) offer 20% discount and up to a 35% if you buy for a game club!

Yes, because they are B&M and that is how they are making a living. Shocking that this standard method of doing business would work

Nix wrote:2) have 6+ painting stations, with free colors (not only GW ones, but even Vallejo and others), the will and skill to help you paint

Well done. Not every indy does this, which you will notice was the point of my post - every GW DOES have painting stations and gaming tables

Nix wrote:3) have playing areas, and they are quite happy to let you play even games that they don't offer in the shop; on the other hand, Me&a friend have been told to "limit" our BattlefleetGothic plays to the "basement tables" at a GW shop, because some kids stepped in and were amazed by the game, and when they asked the shop owner about the models he was upset because the fact we diverted the kids' attention from the "blockbuster products" to a "...marginal, old and quite unplayed game..."

So a manager was a dick? Shock. It happens. Remember that anecdotes are not evidence, yes?

Nix wrote:At this point, I don't care if anyone is willing to boycott GW or not. I think they are not doing a great job, increasing prices and lowering quality. I see lower prices on indipendants, with similar services, so when I step into a GW shop I feel like they are overcharging my miniatures because of nothing.

No, they are charging more than the indys because if they didnt the indys would go out of business. That simple. Thats what happens when youre the producer AND retailer in a monopoly position.

Again, you make a blanket statement - the quality of plastics has never been higher, and finecast CAN exceed the quality of metal, and regularly does.

GW Retail is the gateway drug to the plasticrack hobby we play. The indys know this. The other games companies know this (and can state this categorically, knowing who I do) and support them. Without GW retail the hobby would be in trouble - it wouldnt die but it would shrink.

your not even from australia... how can american and european people complain about GW prices... you pay like what 20 - 25 bucks for a box of 10 guardsmen? i pay 55 dollars for that in australia ( which makes 0 sence seeing as the US dollar is on par with the AUS dollar) :\

magnus calgar and his honor marine squad is 119 dollars in australia.. how rediculous.. 4-5 years ago it was 60 dollars

@spacejam: As I've said everytime the price in Australia is brought up, I'm truely surprised you guys still play or buy GW stuff when they obviously hate you. Did you guys run over some GW executive's dog or something?

kronk wrote:@spacejam: As I've said everytime the price in Australia is brought up, I'm truely surprised you guys still play or buy GW stuff when they obviously hate you. Did you guys run over some GW executive's dog or something?

Just guessing here, but maybe it's because they live on the other side of the fething world?
Just a thought.

I don't think they've ever claimed shipping was the reason that GW products are sold at 50% to 100% higher in Australia, nor do other gaming companies have such huge mark ups.

gendoikari87 wrote:Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

Yep they most certainly are and will continue to do so until they price themselves out of existence. Not exactly the smartest business model, but it is what it is. I am a little tired of the price increase and yep the minis cost a heck of a lot more these days than when I started playing some 25 years ago, but given that I make a heck of a lot more money now than I did back then I can still afford to buy tons more minis now than then.

End result: Not much difference for me. I still really like the minis...still undecided on buying Version 6 of the rules, though. If I still get enjoyment out of what I buy compared to the cost then I'll keep buying them. If I don't then I won't. Basic aspect of being a consumer. If you don't want to pay the prices then by all means do not pay them, just don't expect that your situation is going to be the same as everyone else's. I most feel sorry for new players given that the startup costs for this game are very high. Once you are established, though, your costs are based solely on what you choose to spend. You really only need 1 army, 1 rulebook, 1 codex and the dice from any board game you have in your house to play. Anything beyond that isn't required. Some armies are cheaper than others, whether using a lot of hard hitting elites or making an army using minis from the AoBR box (have a friend selling me 3 sets of the AoBR orks this weekend to start yet another army) others are more expensive. You just have to plan smartly...

Skriker

Really, they "steamroll" tournies? Wrong. Maybe initially, like any book, but checkout for example the indy GT - best players in the UK attending, 120 players, and TAU won. Draigowing isnt that great, purifier spam is hardly competitive any longer - yes, psyriflemen are bad, for their points, but only really when combined with razorback spam - with cheap henchman and DCAs.

You heard him right folks! Tau is incredible, purifiers are costed alright, and things are doing oookay, there's no need for competitive balancing anymore.

Same time next month, guys?

kronk wrote:I don't think they've ever claimed shipping was the reason that GW products are sold at 50% to 100% higher in Australia, nor do other gaming companies have such huge mark ups.

Video games in Australia often cost twice as much as they do anywhere else. A fair deal of entertainment/luxury items cost a boatload more there.

Yeh im not buying new anymore. GW doesnt get a cut from ebay or from the swap shop

Nix wrote:I think that's pretty legit way of thinking...GW keep raising prices but worsen models' quality and game balance (I don't want to start a flame or complaint, but it's quite clear that things like Grey Knight are not meant for a wealthy competition, but only to sell the new models because they are so strong!). They don't include enough pieces in their sprues to force you buying "additional kits", and even delay the launch of some miniatures to sell more of the previous s*** (Necron Wraiths and Spiders are a quite clear example...don't tell me that they didn't had the models ready, a Kickstarter project would have done it!).
If you add that, in the same city, you can find a GW shop which sells at "full price" and, a couple of km far, an "indipendent shop" that sells GW+privateer+more, and at a 20% discount, you can understand why people think about boycotting GW...
TBH, how the hell is an indipendent shop able to offer YOUR models at 20% discount from your prices??

Because Games Workshop sells them to the independent retailers for less than they do to you through their web store or GW stores, assuming that the independent retailers will charge a similar price. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. Also the only real reason GW stores exist is to promote the hobby, beyond that they mostly a money sink since one can buy models elsewhere for much cheaper.


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Brother SRM wrote:

kronk wrote:I don't think they've ever claimed shipping was the reason that GW products are sold at 50% to 100% higher in Australia, nor do other gaming companies have such huge mark ups.

Video games in Australia often cost twice as much as they do anywhere else. A fair deal of entertainment/luxury items cost a boatload more there.

Why? Is it just shipping or is it tariffs or some other government policy?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Really, they "steamroll" tournies? Wrong. Maybe initially, like any book, but checkout for example the indy GT - best players in the UK attending, 120 players, and TAU won. Draigowing isnt that great, purifier spam is hardly competitive any longer - yes, psyriflemen are bad, for their points, but only really when combined with razorback spam - with cheap henchman and DCAs.

You heard him right folks! Tau is incredible, purifiers are costed alright, and things are doing oookay, there's no need for competitive balancing anymore.

Hyperbole aside, do you have anything to actually contribute? Hard to tell.

Purifiers are costed just fine - as they die like any other MEQ, but cost 25% more. If you cant kil MEQ you're having issues other than with GK

Is there any proof that GW will even be raising their prices this year?

Because BOLS says otherwise.

Joey wrote:If you can have a night out for the same cost as a box of troops or even a tank, you're having rubbish nights out.
Less whinging, more playing.

Last time I went out with the girlfriend, $39 for movie tickets, about $30 for dinner. Cost of a box of tactical marines $73.

I enjoyed the dinner and movie.

AUS and NZ don't count. We know you have it bad.

Begel Dverl wrote:Is there any proof that GW will even be raising their prices this year?

Because BOLS says otherwise.

There is proof when GW FETHING ANNOUNCED IT!

Edit:

Here is the announcement.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=16600002a

At this point I refuse to support my FLGS by buying GW vehicles. I refuse to pay 57 dollars for a Predator Tank and 41 for a Razorback. Its gone too far for me. At this point I will only get the models that increased in price only if I can get them at a substantially lower price like on ebay. Even with 20% off of the retail value I refuse to pay it. Its a huge increase and its just not worth it anymore. Its ridiculous to pay that much for a pile of plastic. From now on I'll only buy Infantry from my FLGS since IG, GK, SM, and BA infantry were essentially unntouched.

I think this is also a sign that vehicles will get better hence why all the vehicles for SM went up in price.

I'm not gonna boycott.

If and when GW starts making models using the blood of murdered puppies because "Khorne demands blood," and have fashioned a hall of skulls leading to their head office from the bones of said puppies, then maybe, MAYBE I'll boycott them. Probably not, though, because I love the smell of their plastic glue.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I built like 30-40 infantry models in the course of about 2-3 hours or so, and felt insatiably hungry afterwards?

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

If the people playing the game cannot afford the models, they will be unable to buy and Games workshop will be forced to lower the prices to keep their business afloat. However, things like boycotts wont even dent their bottom line. With any market there is a general fluctuation of the supplier raising prices to the maximum to be most profitable. Consumers of Games Workshop products can still afford the prices and so they will remain as they are. This is basic economics.

Remember, Games workshop does not owe you anything. You are not entitled to their products. Plastic toys are exclusively a luxury, and unless something changes to make that otherwise games workshop will be able to do whatever the hell they want.

amen sylvana!!! AMEN BROTHER!!! For petes sake folks, if you dont like the price dont buy the model. If you like the rules, MAKE YOUR OWN OUTA CHEAPER GW PRODUCTS!!!!

My favorite store runs 25% off coupons every couple weeks. If you pay full price, every $100 you spend entitles you to a free $10 gift card. I can/will still buy from them at these changes, but I agree the LR and SR prices are ridiculous. Thankfully, I have all that I need for both armies. Maybe I'll buy a Chaos LR tomorrow and leave it in box until the chaos codex comes out-if it's great at that point, I'll open and build it. If it isn't I'll sell it off, NIB and make a profit over what I spent when the change hits. Either way, I win. I've looked through what has gone up in price and it is either miniscule or no longer affects me. Okay, the Chaos Vindicators going up sucks-but I have 2 vindi's already for regular marines and 2 predators-I can handle it.

GW could close down all their shops and sell their models much, much cheaper purely on the internet. This would please everyone who complains about prices. This would also suck.
Shops, especially in town centres, can cost a small fortune to run, what with staff training & wages, ground rent, business rates, insurances, theft, (I was amazed when my LFGS told me how much stuff goes walkies!), heating, utility bills and the hundred and one other things that rise in price every year. A country-wide network of safe, central places to drop in and get a 'free' pretty much instant game is worth a hell of a lot to me personally too. Taking this into account I can understand why GW models cost so much more than other manufacturers.
What I don't like is how 'good' units often have a silly price tag in comparison to other models, e.g. bloodcrushers.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Really, they "steamroll" tournies? Wrong. Maybe initially, like any book, but checkout for example the indy GT - best players in the UK attending, 120 players, and TAU won. Draigowing isnt that great, purifier spam is hardly competitive any longer - yes, psyriflemen are bad, for their points, but only really when combined with razorback spam - with cheap henchman and DCAs.

You heard him right folks! Tau is incredible, purifiers are costed alright, and things are doing oookay, there's no need for competitive balancing anymore.

Hyperbole aside, do you have anything to actually contribute? Hard to tell.

Purifiers are costed just fine - as they die like any other MEQ, but cost 25% more. If you cant kil MEQ you're having issues other than with GK

I disagree that Purifiers are appropriately priced. The 25% increased cost, isn't because of survivability, it's because the massive increase in offensive power.

You get Hammerhand, Cleansing Flame, Force weapons, and an extra attack A standard power weapon alone costs 3 points less than another Tac marine, in the SM codex.

However, this is a tad off-topic.

On-topic. We knew it was coming. People talk of Boycotting every year. Doesn't really work. GW will eventually price themselves out of too many customers, and the rate they are going though. We'll see how things go after the Hobbit.

Im not boycotting.

Boycotting implies I still want anything to do with GW.

No More. Voting with my purchase towards other companies.

Dust Tactics here I come.


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Joey wrote:If you can have a night out for the same cost as a box of troops or even a tank, you're having rubbish nights out.
Less whinging, more playing.

You were wrong in the other thread, it wont change in a new thread ;3

gendoikari87 wrote:it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation

In 1987, space marines were £0.75 apiece. The price for a litre of petrol in 1987 was £0.387. In 2012, the price of a space marine is £2.30 apiece. The price of a litre of petrol as of this month is £1.338.

The cost of a space marine has increased just about 200%, while the price of petrol has increased 245%. Perhaps you might want to get your facts straight before you start bitching and moaning.

Plus, even if GW increased its prices slightly over the cost of inflation, you've got to look at the quality of the product itself. 25 years ago, you basically couldn't find anybody to play the game with you, and the minis looked like this:





... to a game where its easy to find someone to play (with better rules), and that has minis that look like this:





What we're talking about is a game that has gotten cheaper, or stayed the same (or at absolute worst, gotten slightly more expensive) compared to inflation, while also being a bigger, better, more popular game with a much higher quality product.

Make sure the waaaahmbulance doesn't run you over on the way to a real tantrum...

Skriker wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:Yup, it's painfully obvious that GW is going to keep raising prices above inflation until they price everyone they can out, intentionally or not. That said if you are tired of the GW price increases, don't just "keep the budget the same", join me in my already year long boycott and lets teach Mr. Wells this is not the correct business model, and that we are not happy.

Yep they most certainly are and will continue to do so until they price themselves out of existence. Not exactly the smartest business model, but it is what it is. I am a little tired of the price increase and yep the minis cost a heck of a lot more these days than when I started playing some 25 years ago, but given that I make a heck of a lot more money now than I did back then I can still afford to buy tons more minis now than then.

It's literally impossible to price yourself out of the market, especially with incremental price increases as GW have done.
Prices will increase until people stop buying it.
When people stop buying it, the price will decrease until they buy it again.
At which point, the price will increase until people stop buying it.
Etc.
If it was literally "LET'S MAKLE AS MUCH MONEYS AS POSSIBLE GUYS", they'd increase the price ten-fold tomorrow.

prices are bs yeah...but then sometimes i don't care.

when i buy it's because of other reasons, i may have liked the way the store person sold me on the idea the way they presented it nd whatnot, so i give credit to their effort, 20-40 bucks is not that bad as a one off.

added to that there is also the whole enjoyment of retail therapy, the fact that i have this cool new little thing that i can paint assemble nd spend some time on. and the comparison to a night out is apt here -
okay you can have a night out for the price of whatever you want to get....but then thats exactly what your buying with the GW product. a nice night in, enjoying moddeling.

thats why we still pay ludicrous prices sometimes, but were also not stupid and the vast majority are thrifty shoppers who get stuff with discounds and online nd whatever.

so GW is still viable to me for a number of reasons not related to the actual plastic models i'm buying...too bad it just has to be so damn expensive here lol

I have never understood these threads.

Protesting the high price of food or fuel? Human rights violations? Ok, I'm with you.

But are you so truly offended by the price of miniature figurines used in a game you volutarily play that you would use the mental energy to actively boycott?

Simply cut your losses and stop playing. Sell off your miniatures and look for another game or hobby with which to spend your time.

A hobby is about enjoyment and should NEVER, EVER cause you emotional anguish at any point.

Sure it sucks that GW keep raising prices, but the simple truth is most players and collectors of miniatures can afford the simple hikes and will continue to do so.

and, I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears...er, eyes, whatever...