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Subject: Re:Snrub's Blog: Lord of the Rings orcs and Tactical marines.
Introduction. Hello everyone, welcome to my Unforgiven blog.
I'm getting back into the hobby properly after a break of a few years and thought a blog would be good to help keep me motivated.
This thread will ostensibly be about my efforts in collecting those power armoured defenders of humanity known as the 1st Legion, however I will likely post progress of other armies in here from time to time.
A little background. So I'll start with a little about myself and my history with this hobby. I'll spoiler it in the interests of those who aren't interested in me though.
I started in this hobby a decade and a half ago, when GW teamed up with De Agostini to release the Battle Games in Middle Earth part works back in '02. A friend was a huge LoTR buff and had the first few issues. I got instantly hooked on LoTR and wargaming after reading through the magazines and seeing some of what the hobby had to offer. So a subscription to aforementioned magazine was begged out of my mother and I was lucky to get in quick enough that I could get the back issues AND the freebie gifts. Many hours were spent (badly) reconstructing the battle for Helms Deep or the heroic charge of Aragorn at the black gate.
That went well for a few years until my friend had to move interstate with his family and I was bereft of a battle partner. If memory serves, 4th edition 40k had not long been released though and my brother got the BRB and the BfM starter set for his birthday. Initially he collected ultramarines but soon dropped them for chaos marines. I dabbled in tau for long enough to buy a few kits before migrating over to imperial guard. Eventually my brother traded in painting and battling for music playing and I absorbed his collection. I meandered in out of painting throughout school as time and workload allowed. I bought the AoBR starter box mostly for the deffkoptas. Bought space hulk because it was the last one in the store and I didn't want to miss out (glad I did though as the miniatures are awesome).
Eventually the inevitable happened and life got in the way and hobbying quickly fell by the way side. Skip forward a few years and I felt like I was in a position to make myself known again. I haven't been totally hobby absent over the last few years, but for the most part I haven't got much done in the way of painting as a whole.
But now i'm getting back into the full swing of it and enjoying it immensely (Enough to impulse buy a copy of Knight: Renegade when I wandered in my local GW a month or so back.).
So you may see me painting a whole mess of LoTR miniatures at some point with the impending release of the new Middle Earth: SBG rules and starter set. There's my new Knights to construct and paint. Then there's my IG army which are going to get a severe make over. I've been learning to play 8th ed at my local GW so i'm going to get Dark Imperium soon as i'm keen to get my hands on those death guard models.
But that's all in the future for now.
The Endgame. My current goal is to complete the 5th Company, as well as support elements from the 1st, 2nd and 10th Companies as well as some random HQ units. I'm not collecting this army with a specific list or style in mind, it's purely my lore-friendly take on the dark angels.
Progress. So what's in the pipeline and what's already done?
So far in the done pile is... Company Master
Command squad (minus banner)
3 Tactical squads
1 Assault squad
1 Deathwing squad
1 Ravenwing bike combat squadron
1 random Apothecary
The to-do pile... Company banner
2 Tactical squads
4 Deathwing squads
1 full Ravenwing bike squadron
3 Ravenwing black knights
2 Techmarines w/4 servitors
1 Venerable Dreadnought
1 Terminator chaplain
Also waiting in the wings are another 2 mono-pose tactical squads and a mono-pose dreadnought, but i've no plans to paint them just yet. They'll potentially come much later.
Other things to-do... Create a light box proper light box. Not the piece of gak half a cardboard box with white paper in it i'm using at the moment.
Base everything with urban style bases (Underway)
Onto the models!
If you've seen me posting in the Hobby Motivation Club thread then you'll know i'm in the midst of painting an assault squad and that i've got a couple of tanks lined up.
I'll start by posting some other stuff that's already done though. (I'll also apologise for the crap images.)
First up is Company Master Balthasar.
He got painted up when I initially got DV. But I repainted his robes and cloak recently to help make him stand out better against his command squad. Also added a banner.
Next is 5th Company Veteran Squad 'Seraphiel'
Initially I was gonna arm them to the teeth with power weapons and plasma pistols but I thought about it and decided I liked them with boltguns instead.
Last for now is Veteran Sergeant Seraphiel.
2nd in command of the 5th Company and a hidden member of the Deathwing embedded within the veterans to watch for promising candidates among 5th company.
I created a scabbard for his sword out of plasticard, but i'm not super happy with it, so I may replace it if I find/make a better one.
If you want to see the images up close, click on them to go to the gallery.
I'll use this post as a nexus of sorts in the future and update it as I go along.
So if this project sounds like something you're interested in, I hope you stick around and see it through with me.
I'm always open to suggestions and criticisms about my work. Good, bad or indifferent, I'm always happy to hear what you think!
Thanks for reading!
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Thanks Az. I've currently got another two techmarines waiting around for a coat of paint. So I best get accustomed to it.
Progress So a few things since my last update.
1. Sun came out for a bit and I managed to get my rhino and predator sprayed green. Caliban green spray is a wonderful thing.
2. Painted two more assault marines. This brings the squad total up to 4 complete. (The 2nd marine shown here I painted previously along side the sergeant who I haven't photographed because he's not on a base at the moment.)
First up is brother Saphamedes. 2-i-c of assault squad Quinlon. An aggressive combatant often found at the head of his squads attacks.
I was quite pleased with how his pose came out. I feel like he's got a real sense of movement. Like he's just battered an enemy aside with his chainsword as rushes his next target.
Next is brother Aswarin. Part of Saphamedes' combat squad, Aswarin is always found a step behind his unit leader in a charge.
Again, another aggressive pose, which for an assault marine isn't unusual. His blue eye lenses aren't as distinct as they could be and tend to just get swallowed up by the green of his armour. I'll need to go over them again with a lighter blue I think.
Lastly, brother Helica. (I haven't come up with a descriptor for him yet.)
It's not a great resemblance to be fair, but unintentionally, I posed him somewhat like the old metal (rogue trader?) assault marines. Feet planted, hands on hips and weapons pointing out to the side.
Larger pics in my gallery if you want a closer look.
Other Stuff 1. Ordered enough 32mm bases from a place called Wargamebase to rebase all my marines on 25 bases. They had them on sale so I got 200 bases for $30 including shipping. So they should be here at some point.
2. I found a copy of July's white dwarf lying around at work today in... lets call it the lost and found for ease of explanation. Whoohoo. Free white dwarf. (seriously, not stolen)
3. I've been learning how to play 8th ed at my local GW. I've played two training matches against the manager to learn the basics. I ended up winning 1 and losing 1. I'll put a write up, below.
The first match I used Balthasar (company maser) and two tactical squads against a primaris librarain, a 10 man intercessor squad and a 5 man reaver squad. I lost by 1 objective point on the last turn.
Balthasar (armed with a power sword and combi-plasma) was an effective all rounder and I can see him getting heavy use in future games. By the end of the match he'd carved his way through the libby, 8 of the 10 intercessors and 2 reavers and only took 2 wounds in the process.
The tactical squads were unfortunately lacklustre and the shooting was..... ineffective at best.
One squad fared badly from the get go. They managed to kill two intercessors, but I had 3 of their own number die by overcharging plasma weapons on the first and second turn.
The other squad got smited to bits by the libby before being cut down by the reavers. They did manage to kill 2 reavers in return.
The 2nd I won handily. I used a regular librarian, a tactical squad, a dreadnought and a terminator squad against a primaris captain, 5 intercessors, 5 hellblasters and 3 inceptors.
Smite is wicked powerful and the libby killed a whole mess of primaris marines with it.
The dreadnought got plasmaed to death by the hellblasters on turn 2. The terminators avenged him though next turn by burning 3 of them to death with a heavy flamer.
The Tactical squad got nuked by the intercessors early on and only had the sergeant and heavy bolter left.
On the last turn of this match I assaulted the squad of inceptors with my terminator squad. This is a mistake i'm not keen to repeat. The overwatch killed two terminators, but given the volume of fire put out by them, i'm surprised I didn't lose more.
Highlight of the match though was the tactical sergeant doing 4 wounds to the primaris captain with a krak grenade. A hilarious feth you before he got power-fisted to death in return.
Things I've learned from these two games.
-Overcharging plasma is deadly. If it works, the enemy is gonna get messed up. If it fails, you're gonna get messed up. And the reroll provided by a captain is nigh mandatory if you want to run lots of plasma. I made the mistake of not having my captain hang around my plasma-tac squad and I paid for it immediately.
-Using terrain to your advantage is key to keeping your big killy things from getting targeted by bastard hellblasters.
-Don't assault Inceptors. Shoot the fethers instead.
All in a very enjoyable two games and an excellent learning experience. We've agreed to have a tie-breaker game once i've got my predator painted up. I'm guessing it will get thrown up against the big redemptor dreadnought sitting in the display cabinet. So I'll be sure to take my techmarine for that one!
Thanks for looking.
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Hey Arakasi. Thanks for dropping in. The knight/s wont be just yet, unfortunately. Still working out a few things with them regarding basing and colours, and I want to knock of a few more of these marines first before starting a big project like the knights.
Progress! Another night, another marine, brother Isidore this time. Half the squad is done now.
This bloke is pretty boring but I changed up his iconography a bit. He has a studded pauldron so I threw the chapter symbol on his knee cap instead of the company symbol. Also used roman numerals instead of gothic numbering.
I made the numeral too big on his right pauldron though and it covered up his assault squad symbol. It doesn't look right now, but I'm not sure I can be arsed fixing it up. Also tried my hand at that engraving style writing on his chainsword that some people are so good at. It's not bad looking (Although the picture doesn't show it well), but there is certainly room for improvement with it.
Can't wait until these new bases get here. I'm sick of crappy unbased models.
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Loving the dark green you have on these guys. It’s just dark enough where I could see the confusion of did dark angels wear green or black, but still visually green.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
Nice progress mate, those white robes are especially good! Did you freehand the chapter symbols? Love the posing on the assmarines, very dynamic, wish I had had the patience to try for something like that.
The army- ~2295 points (built).
* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial * Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!
Theophony - Thanks mate. It's just 2 layers of straight Caliban green. It's naturally pretty dark straight from the bottle, I just highlight it with Vallejo's Heavy Green and leave it at that.
Ingtaer - Hey mate. Thanks, the robes are time consuming, but i'm happy with the results. Yes, all my symbols and numbers are freehanded. I've tried using transfers before, but I've never had any luck getting them on properly.
Zahnib - Cheers! I'm quite pleased with how he came out.
Azalle - Wait no longer, I made a start on it!
Dr H - No pressure then.
Youwashock - Thanks bud. Hazard stripes weren't as tricky as I thought they'd be. It was just getting the yellow to play nice. I like hazard stripes though, so i'm going to try and use them as often as possible in appropriate places. Figured a techmarines chainsword would be as good a place as any.
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF. Right, so you know when you have plans that you're looking forward too, but circumstances just decide to punch you in the nuts instead? Yeah that was my weekend. My roster at work was such that I had 4 days off, Friday thru Monday. "Sweet" I says. Plenty of time to burn through these marines!
Friday morning, work calls at 6am.- "We're short staffed, we need you to work a 12 hour shift starting at 8am." Fine, I can do that. "Oh yeah we also need you to come in Saturday as well and do the same, but starting at 6am." Ughh alright. Not gonna say no to time and a half pay.
Saturday evening, get home, girlfriend calls.- "Hey it's my sisters birthday, you said you'd come over and babysit for her so we can got to the pub and get smashed off our tits!" Ah yes, absolutely. I'd love to take care of a 3 month old after working two 12 hour shifts. "Sure honey, be there soon........" Sunday. I've just sat down with a cup of tea to check out Dakka. Girlfriend comes over. - "Put some clothes on, I need you to come shopping with me." Monday. - TIME TO PAINT melon-fethers!!! feth work, feth the girlfriend. feth absolutely everything that isn't warhammer/sleep related.
PROGRESS!(finally) 3 Assault marines this time! Still have the jump packs to do, but they're all good to go otherwise.
1st up is brother Alexian. Just a bog standard assault marine. Nothing at all special about him. Moving on...
2nd is brother Hadadezer. I did some checkers on his pistol. I've been painting checkers on random models here and there just to spice things up a bit. (The wonky looking 7 has been cleaned up. It's not so chubby now)
Much like the hazard stripes of the Iron Warriors, the checker patterns found on certain Dark Angels denote something, but what that something is, only the Dark Angels know. They are, unsurprisingly, disinclined to reveal that meaning to outsiders.
Lastly is brother Yafrir. Again, mysterious checkers. This time on his arm. These are larger then others i've done and I managed to keep them relatively square. The light did kind of wash them out in the photo though. (The mould line on the pistol has since been removed.)
I've only got 2 assault marines left know, but they're in bits and not based. So I'm going to leave them unpainted for now and move on to the tanks. I'll finish them off once I receive my order of 32mm bases that I'm waiting for.
Speaking of tanks. Got the command hatch and storm bolter painted today.
The rhino also has a few nice big flat spaces on it, prime for some large scale iconography. I'm thinking either chapter icon or squad icon on the rhinos top hatches with company/squad icons on the front fairing. That should do for starters.
As always, thanks for looking! And larger pics are in my gallery if you desire a closer look at my worky highlights and the fluff I didn't blow off before I took the pics.
I'm really liking the hazard stripes and checks. Feels like the good old days of 40k 2nd and 3rd edition. I've been considering doing my Ultramarines in the old school second company colours. Your minis are adding fuel to that fire. The freehand markings are also great, adds an extra touch that goes a long way
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Zahnib - Thanks. The small details are the fun little touches which help liven up a model and are certainly worth the effort put into them, I think. 2nd ed Ultras definitely have that old school 40k charm and yellow pauldron rims are so much better then gold. If you haven't already, check out Brother SRM's old school Ultras. Might just be the fuel needed to turn that fire into an inferno.
Insaniak - Cheers mate. Always thought that the bleched bone robes felt a little... bland. They were never quite the right colour. I had thought about doing them dark grey, but that would clash too much with the already very dark green.
PROGRESS! Knocked out the rhino last night. Was an interesting change from the marines as it has a lot more straight edges to highlight as opposed to round bits of armour. Ended up going with a tactical arrow on the top instead of the chapter symbol. Thought a squad icon was more appropriate for a dedicated transport.
Seen here is the 6th Tactical Squads rhino transport, "True Keeper", fresh from the repair workshops.
HELP? The highlights got all washed out but they are there. While i'm pleased with the end result I feel that it's missing something. I think it lacks a 2nd main colour, seeing as it's all green with a splash of red and white. How to achieve this I don't know. I'm open to suggestions though. Another spot colour? Maybe more defined highlights?
Another issue I have with it is the name plate. As it is, it's just letters done in sepia wash over a white background. It doesn't look right though and again, i'm not sure how to rectify it.
Any insight into either of these would be much appreciated.
On the secondary colour, I think it looks good as is. Maybe add some red tactical arrows to the rear quarters of the side plates but anything more than that I think would be too much.
As for your lettering maybe black letters on bone?
You could take a crack at replicating Adrian Smith's awesome depiction of a Dark Angels Rhino from the old box art. Test out those freehand skills IRONGDOG Studios did an amazing retro Ultramarines project a while back, I'll check out Brother SRM's as well, thanks for the tip.
Also you could try out a bit of weathering, that might help beak up the dark green a bit. But go light!
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Subject: Re:Snrub's Angels: Building the 1st Legion
Ingtaer - After looking at some source material, squad/company icons appear to be standard on the rear track guards. That'll certainly help break up the back a bit. With the lettering, i'd thought about grey on bone/white and wasn't sure how it'd look. Black would seem a safe choice at any rate. I was going for an aged parchment look with the sepia on white but it didn't quite work how I wanted it too.
Zahnib - Good bit of art that one. Shame they stopped using art like that on the boxes. My concern with weathering is that it might be too easy to go heavy handed with it or just stuff it up easily. I've never attempted vehicle scale weathering, so it'd be totally new for me. Must look up some tutorials first.
Guess we'll have to suck the sauce bottle and see.
Yeah the old artwork on the boxes was great. There is some great watering tutorials out there, but just remember it is easier to add more later than remove it! Duncan has some good simple ones over on the Warhammer TV channel
Subject: Re:Snrub's Angels: Building the 1st Legion
Moneky - Yeah some light weathering might be all this gets. The predator might fare different though.
Zahnib - WarhammerTV was my first stop off. Couple of good tutorials on weathering from them, and plenty from other people. I've got about an hours worth queued up to watch. I imagine it'll all be mostly the same stuff, but it wont hurt to see how different people do the same thing.
STUFF. The dog woke me up barking at the postie this morning. Lovely chap had my bases for me!
200 32mm bases ordered from Wargamebase Store. (Actually 210 bases once I counted them all out)
Ordered them on the 10th of August, shipped on the 11th. Took 12 days to get here from China.
The bases are of good quality. Same size and thickness of a GW base. The edges are bevelled at the same degree as the GW one, which is nice, as they looked to be a bit steeper judging from the picture on the website.
Only major difference between the two is texture on the top of the base, as seen below.
GW on the left, WGB on the right. The WGB is a lot finer in texture, but i'd imagine that makes little difference when you've glued sand and flock and what have you on to it.
In total, paid $23.50USD (roughly $30AUD) plus $2 shipping from China, for 200 bases that got here in 12 days.
Not a bad service.
Balthasar has laid claim to these bases in the name of the Almighty Emperor of Mankind, for the benefit of his Dark Angels.
His flying bases are dirt cheap and have a decent range of sizes.
If you sign up for his newletter you get 10% off too. It was a bit finicky for me, as it applied the discount on one page, but then said that it wasn't valid on the next. I went back out of the purchase and reloaded the webcart a few times and it applied it on about the 3rd or 4th reload. So play around with it if it dones't recognise the discount at first.
I've put the assault marines aside for now, as I was getting sick of looking at them. But i've made a start on finishing the command squad off. The unit itself was (mostly) done paint wise, I just needed to find a suitably ornate powersword for the champion and a good DA-esque banner for the standard bearer. And now that i've got both I can get under way.
PROGRESS! Bought a ravenwing command squad a couple of weeks back. Going to use one of the 3 powerswords that come in that kits as the sword for my company champion.
Namely this one.
Nice and ornate, like I feel a relic like a blade of Caliban should be.
Saw this piece of art in a codex and liked it immediately.
So I went about redrawing it thusly.
It's not fully rendered as flames are hard to draw and the wings are just a pain in the arse.
So I sat and looked at it for a bit before I took some measurements and then rescaled it as accurately as I could to the size of an actual company standard. Came out much better then I expected if i'm honest.
The question now is do I attempt to redraw it on the banner by hand, or do I get some carbon paper and trace it on.
Also re-based my company master and holy moly marines look so much better on larger bases!
I meant to put a big piece of plasticard under his foot so it looked like he was standing on a paver or other random slab of concrete, but I got carried away and forgot to glue it down.
Still, not bad for a first attempt. Got some rubble and gak on there. I think it still needs another drybrush of grey to lighten it up a bit.
Also neatened up a few bits on his helmet and robe and repainted the sword hilt gold to make it stand out a bit.
Boss man is looking good on his new piece of real estate. Looking forward to seeing how that banner turns out, too. At this point you should probably draw it again right on the banner. You have the scale down and you can refine the image if you like.